Re: [GNC] How to change size of register in Gnucash 3.4

2019-02-05 Thread aeg via gnucash-user




Liz
If I'm understanding this problem correctly, you are referring to the space 
taken up by the register title tabs across the top of the screen. If that is 
the problem, my solution has been to move them to the right where I can have 
20+ register titles visible.Edit>Preferences>Windows>Tab Position>Right
Alan


On
 Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:17:16 +1100Liz  wrote:

Debian Linux
Build ID: 3.4+ (2018-12-30)

I had the registers set so that I could open 4 without overlapping on
my screen.
With Gnucash 3.4 they all got wider and now take up more screen space
than I desire.

With the mouse pointer I can make wider still but I wish to make them
narrower, and it doesn't wish to make it as narrow as I wish.

I've tried altering WindowGeometry in Account.gnucash.gcm but this
doesn't seem to have any effect at all.

Liz



   
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash terminates immediately

2019-02-05 Thread John Ralls
Probably not.

What are your Language and Region settings? Have you set up a different locale 
in the environment file?

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Feb 5, 2019, at 9:05 AM, Bostjan Vilfan  wrote:
> 
> I managed to obtain the trace file (which, however, is very short). When I 
> called gnucash without further parameters the trace file was empty; however, 
> when I used "gnucash --debug --extra I obtained
> 
> * 17:19:03  INFO  [main] System locale returned C
> * 17:19:03  INFO  [main] Effective locale set to C.
> * 17:19:03  INFO  [gnc_hook_lookup] no hook lists
> 
> Is the phrase "no hook lists" relevant?
> 
> Regards,
> bostjanv
> 
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 4:56 PM Bostjan Vilfan  wrote:
> Thanks, I'll check them out. 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 4:43 PM John Ralls  wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Feb 5, 2019, at 6:35 AM, David Carlson  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019, 5:30 AM Bostjan Vilfan  > 
> >> I tried both, gnucash 3.4 as well as 2.6.26; therefore it could be
> >> something with Windows 10 version 1809; in case you are able to figure out
> >> something, I am enclosing link to Windows msinfo results:
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> >> Regards,
> >> bostjanv
> >> 
> >>> __
> >>> 
> >>> 
> > There are instructions in the Gnucash wiki on how to get error messages out
> > of Gnucash, I am not online right now, so I cannot tell you exactly where,
> > I just remember that it is not an easy task.
> > 
> > There is also a way to start Gnucash from the command line without a data
> > file.  Sometimes a bad data file can cause a crash.  Again the exact
> > procedure escapes me, but other users or devs may be able to help.
> > 
> > Sorry I cannot be more help right now.
> 
> The instructions are at https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile and 
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/stack_trace. The trace file is easy. The stack 
> trace is hard only on windows, but is the most useful when you have a crash.
> 
> Please don't post either here: Crashes deserve bug reports.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 

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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Steve Cohen

On 2/5/19 4:21 PM, Robert Heller wrote:


*Part*  of what is going on is the whole "touch screen" mania, coupled with a
bitofscroll-wheelmania.ManyUI people (the ones making design choices for
thevariouswidgetlibraries,includingGTK3), seem to feel that nobody really
is (should?) be using their mice to access scrollbars. They really should be
using their fingers on their touch screen (everybody is using a touch screen,
right? I mean clunky things like keyboards and mice are so arcane now). Or if
they still have a mouse, they are using their scroll wheel and not really
needing a scrollbar...



So that's what they're "thinking"!

Hmm.  My checking account ledger (2 years old) must have at least 50 
entries a month., so about 1200 entries.


My mouse has a scroll wheel.  I never use it.  It takes twenty or so 
rotations of the scroll wheel (or that part which is showing) for me to 
go from bottom to top.  Whereas with the scroll bar, I go from top to 
bottom in one sweep.



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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Geert Janssens
Op dinsdag 5 februari 2019 22:10:52 CET schreef Jack Slater:
> I have! Hate it. Will it be fixed?

That's gtk decision, not a gnucash one.

However you can change it on your system if you like:
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GTK3#Scrollbars

Regards,

Geert


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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Robert Heller
At Tue, 5 Feb 2019 15:08:37 -0600 David Carlson  
wrote:

> 
> I was not trying to assign any blame or credit for the new scrollbars.
> IIRC I first saw one in a GTK3 application, and I was definitely upset by
> not having a page up page down function on my mouse.  If you have not seen
> that yet, you eventually will.


*Part* of what is going on is the whole "touch screen" mania, coupled with a 
bitofscroll-wheelmania.ManyUI people (the ones making design choices for 
thevariouswidgetlibraries,includingGTK3), seem to feel that nobody really
is (should?) be using their mice to access scrollbars. They really should be
using their fingers on their touch screen (everybody is using a touch screen,
right? I mean clunky things like keyboards and mice are so arcane now). Or if
they still have a mouse, they are using their scroll wheel and not really
needing a scrollbar...


> 
> David Carlson
> 
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:02 PM Colin Law  wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 20:17, Steve Cohen  wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/5/19 2:04 PM, David Carlson wrote:
> >> > GTK3 as default rather than GTK2.  I think those scroll bars first
> >> > appeared there but they seem to be becoming as fashionable as useless
> >> > 'antique' bathroom sinks.
> >> >
> >>
> >> While I appreciate and think I agree with the thrust of your comment,
> >> I'm not actually understanding what you mean.  Are you saying that GTK3
> >> renders scrollbars useless?  And why does GnuCash seem to be unique in
> >> how it handles this (at least among the applications I use)?
> >>
> >
> > This is yet another red herring.  I have never seen the symptom you
> > describe and I have been using Gnucash on Ubuntu for years.
> >
> > I think it would be worth eliminating the Wayland issue (though I don't
> > think it is likely to be the cause). Wayland is planned to be a replacement
> > for the X windowing s/w but it isn't really ready for general use yet. I
> > don't remember exactly what the login screen looked like on 18.04, but if
> > you logout then on the panel with your user name there may be a settings
> > icon, or possibly an Ubuntu icon and if you click that it will give you
> > some selections.  If not there then on the screen where you enter your
> > password.  First see what is marked as selected already.  You want one that
> > says Ubuntu on X or maybe just Ubuntu, but doesn't mention Wayland.  If you
> > are not sure then come back with the options available.
> >
> > Colin
> >
> >
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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Steve Cohen

On 2/5/19 3:42 PM, Colin Law wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 21:20, Steve Cohen > wrote:


...
Getting rid of this file ~/.config/gtk-3.0.gtk.css which I had created
and restarting the system got me back the awful scroll bar behavior I
had instantly hated as soon as I installed 18.04.


The bars are much improved on Ubuntu 18.10, if you are not restricted to 
LTS versions.


Colin


It's a personal system, no restrictions, but the upgrade process is one 
I tend to avoid unless absolutely necessary.  Can you upgrade 
18.04-18.10 in place, or does it require a reinstallation of everything? 
 Will my GnuCash need to be rebuilt?


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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Colin Law
On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 21:20, Steve Cohen  wrote:

> ...
> Getting rid of this file ~/.config/gtk-3.0.gtk.css which I had created
> and restarting the system got me back the awful scroll bar behavior I
> had instantly hated as soon as I installed 18.04.
>

The bars are much improved on Ubuntu 18.10, if you are not restricted to
LTS versions.

Colin
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Re: [GNC] Transferring portion of mutual fund account to another fund account

2019-02-05 Thread David Cousens
Harry,

The procedures associated with buying and selling Stock in the Guide
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/invest-buy-stock1.html
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/invest-stockprice1.html
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/invest-sell1.html
aprticularly the section on selling with lots.
 along with 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Concept_of_Lots

The transfer can likely be handled as two transactions, one selling units in
the fund you are transferring units from and the other buying units in the
fund you are transferring to. Any expenses would be charged to an
appropriate brokerage expenses accounts. In this case since their is no
capital gain or loss involved presumably the buying and selling price will
be the cost price for the lots involved. This should make any capital gains
and loss calculations 0. 

One side effect of this approach is that the recording of the purchase date
for a lot of the first fund will not transfer to thelot for the second fund
which may affect future capital gains/loss calculations. These would have to
be calculated manually.

Both of the above transactions will require a transfer account which could
be a brokerage account under which both fund accounts live for example (see
the guide on setting up invetment accounts
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/invest_accounts1.html for
how to do this). There should be a credit to the account you are
transferring funds from and a debit to the brokerage account. Then there
should be a credit from the Brokerage account and a debit to the account for
the new fund for the money going into the new fund. If there are expenses
involved these will  a credit to the brokerage account and debit to the
appropriate expense account.  The amounts of the credit for expense and the
credit for the transfer to the new fund from the brokerage account should
sum to equal the debit to the brokerage account associated with the transfer
of funds from the old account. Both the buy and sell transactions will
obviously occur at the same time. Using this approach may also attempt to
generate transactions for 0 amounts to accounts associated with recording
capital gains and losses. I don't know how and if GnuCash handles this case.
It should not create the 0 amount transactions but if it does you could
report it as a bug. 

The above is a generic description of one possible approach to handling the
type of transfer you describe and should not be interpreted as accounting
advice or even as the only or correct way to handle the transactions
involved. Whether it is appropriate for your case will depend on the details
of the transactions involved given in the statements from your broker or
institution handlng the funds and your local financial regulations and how
they impact the treatment.

Intuit/Quicken as a commercial product may be able to provide an exact
methodology as they will have legal and accounting experts employed who can
give jurisdiction tailored advice and customize their software for a
specific jurisdiction. GnuCash has no such specific expertise available as
it is  free software and totally developed and maintained by volunteers (in
many jurisdictions around the world) as Michael Novak and others have
indicated.

David Cousens



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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Steve Cohen

On 2/5/19 3:02 PM, Colin Law wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 20:17, Steve Cohen > wrote:


On 2/5/19 2:04 PM, David Carlson wrote:
 > GTK3 as default rather than GTK2.  I think those scroll bars first
 > appeared there but they seem to be becoming as fashionable as
useless
 > 'antique' bathroom sinks.
 >

While I appreciate and think I agree with the thrust of your comment,
I'm not actually understanding what you mean.  Are you saying that GTK3
renders scrollbars useless?  And why does GnuCash seem to be unique in
how it handles this (at least among the applications I use)?


This is yet another red herring.  I have never seen the symptom you 
describe and I have been using Gnucash on Ubuntu for years.


I think it would be worth eliminating the Wayland issue (though I don't 
think it is likely to be the cause). Wayland is planned to be a 
replacement for the X windowing s/w but it isn't really ready for 
general use yet. I don't remember exactly what the login screen looked 
like on 18.04, but if you logout then on the panel with your user name 
there may be a settings icon, or possibly an Ubuntu icon and if you 
click that it will give you some selections.  If not there then on the 
screen where you enter your password.  First see what is marked as 
selected already.  You want one that says Ubuntu on X or maybe just 
Ubuntu, but doesn't mention Wayland.  If you are not sure then come back 
with the options available.


Colin


Uh, no, it isn't a red herring exactly, but it's not a problem in the 
factory version of Ubuntu 18.04.


I found the problem:  I was looking in the wrong place.  After reading 
more carefully the page
https://askubuntu.com/questions/775201/how-do-i-get-a-bigger-static-scrollbar-aka-normal-scrollbar 
,
I realize that the change I had made to 
/usr/share/themes/Ambiance/gtk-3.0/gtk-widgets.css was irrelevant and 
does nothing.  Instead, there was a second answer from that page that I 
had followed: https://askubuntu.com/a/908584/310274 .  This had me add a 
file ~/.config/gtk-3.0.gtk.css with some configuration that made the 
scroll bar more to my liking.


Getting rid of this file ~/.config/gtk-3.0.gtk.css which I had created 
and restarting the system got me back the awful scroll bar behavior I 
had instantly hated as soon as I installed 18.04.  However, scroll bars 
now work correctly in GNUCash.  GnuCash seems to be coded to the stock 
implementation, and it must be hard for the coders to handle all these 
hacks seamlessly.  What a mess.  But glad I understand the problem (sort 
of).

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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Steve Cohen

On 2/5/19 2:37 PM, David Carlson wrote:
Ok, I was traveling last week and it seems like motels are switching to 
bathroom sinks that sit on top of the counter, with plumbing that looks 
like the old fashioned hand water pump and bowl arrangement, thus are 
automatically 8 " higher and further back, leaving no room for 
toothbrush charger, hand towel (no towel hanger either) soap dish etc.


Scrollbars are not actually completely useless but close in this new 
form.  Sometimes it is hard to make them appear and if you click 
somewhere above or below the slider the window slides up proportional to 
where you clicked instead of one page.  Thus there is no longer a 'page 
up' 'page down' function with the mouse button.  That gets very annoying 
when reading a long document.


David Carlson

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 2:17 PM Steve Cohen > wrote:


On 2/5/19 2:04 PM, David Carlson wrote:
 > GTK3 as default rather than GTK2.  I think those scroll bars first
 > appeared there but they seem to be becoming as fashionable as
useless
 > 'antique' bathroom sinks.
 >

While I appreciate and think I agree with the thrust of your comment,
I'm not actually understanding what you mean.  Are you saying that GTK3
renders scrollbars useless?  And why does GnuCash seem to be unique in
how it handles this (at least among the applications I use)?



Gotcha.  Seems like another instance of "if it isn't needed on the 
smartphone, we can forget about it on the desktop."  Scroll bars, so 
five minutes ago.




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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Jack Slater
I have! Hate it. Will it be fixed?

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:09 PM David Carlson 
wrote:

> I was not trying to assign any blame or credit for the new scrollbars.
> IIRC I first saw one in a GTK3 application, and I was definitely upset by
> not having a page up page down function on my mouse.  If you have not seen
> that yet, you eventually will.
>
> David Carlson
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:02 PM Colin Law  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 20:17, Steve Cohen  wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/5/19 2:04 PM, David Carlson wrote:
> >> > GTK3 as default rather than GTK2.  I think those scroll bars first
> >> > appeared there but they seem to be becoming as fashionable as useless
> >> > 'antique' bathroom sinks.
> >> >
> >>
> >> While I appreciate and think I agree with the thrust of your comment,
> >> I'm not actually understanding what you mean.  Are you saying that GTK3
> >> renders scrollbars useless?  And why does GnuCash seem to be unique in
> >> how it handles this (at least among the applications I use)?
> >>
> >
> > This is yet another red herring.  I have never seen the symptom you
> > describe and I have been using Gnucash on Ubuntu for years.
> >
> > I think it would be worth eliminating the Wayland issue (though I don't
> > think it is likely to be the cause). Wayland is planned to be a
> replacement
> > for the X windowing s/w but it isn't really ready for general use yet. I
> > don't remember exactly what the login screen looked like on 18.04, but if
> > you logout then on the panel with your user name there may be a settings
> > icon, or possibly an Ubuntu icon and if you click that it will give you
> > some selections.  If not there then on the screen where you enter your
> > password.  First see what is marked as selected already.  You want one
> that
> > says Ubuntu on X or maybe just Ubuntu, but doesn't mention Wayland.  If
> you
> > are not sure then come back with the options available.
> >
> > Colin
> >
> >
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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread David Carlson
I was not trying to assign any blame or credit for the new scrollbars.
IIRC I first saw one in a GTK3 application, and I was definitely upset by
not having a page up page down function on my mouse.  If you have not seen
that yet, you eventually will.

David Carlson

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:02 PM Colin Law  wrote:

> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 20:17, Steve Cohen  wrote:
>
>> On 2/5/19 2:04 PM, David Carlson wrote:
>> > GTK3 as default rather than GTK2.  I think those scroll bars first
>> > appeared there but they seem to be becoming as fashionable as useless
>> > 'antique' bathroom sinks.
>> >
>>
>> While I appreciate and think I agree with the thrust of your comment,
>> I'm not actually understanding what you mean.  Are you saying that GTK3
>> renders scrollbars useless?  And why does GnuCash seem to be unique in
>> how it handles this (at least among the applications I use)?
>>
>
> This is yet another red herring.  I have never seen the symptom you
> describe and I have been using Gnucash on Ubuntu for years.
>
> I think it would be worth eliminating the Wayland issue (though I don't
> think it is likely to be the cause). Wayland is planned to be a replacement
> for the X windowing s/w but it isn't really ready for general use yet. I
> don't remember exactly what the login screen looked like on 18.04, but if
> you logout then on the panel with your user name there may be a settings
> icon, or possibly an Ubuntu icon and if you click that it will give you
> some selections.  If not there then on the screen where you enter your
> password.  First see what is marked as selected already.  You want one that
> says Ubuntu on X or maybe just Ubuntu, but doesn't mention Wayland.  If you
> are not sure then come back with the options available.
>
> Colin
>
>
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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Colin Law
On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 20:17, Steve Cohen  wrote:

> On 2/5/19 2:04 PM, David Carlson wrote:
> > GTK3 as default rather than GTK2.  I think those scroll bars first
> > appeared there but they seem to be becoming as fashionable as useless
> > 'antique' bathroom sinks.
> >
>
> While I appreciate and think I agree with the thrust of your comment,
> I'm not actually understanding what you mean.  Are you saying that GTK3
> renders scrollbars useless?  And why does GnuCash seem to be unique in
> how it handles this (at least among the applications I use)?
>

This is yet another red herring.  I have never seen the symptom you
describe and I have been using Gnucash on Ubuntu for years.

I think it would be worth eliminating the Wayland issue (though I don't
think it is likely to be the cause). Wayland is planned to be a replacement
for the X windowing s/w but it isn't really ready for general use yet. I
don't remember exactly what the login screen looked like on 18.04, but if
you logout then on the panel with your user name there may be a settings
icon, or possibly an Ubuntu icon and if you click that it will give you
some selections.  If not there then on the screen where you enter your
password.  First see what is marked as selected already.  You want one that
says Ubuntu on X or maybe just Ubuntu, but doesn't mention Wayland.  If you
are not sure then come back with the options available.

Colin
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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread David Carlson
Ok, I was traveling last week and it seems like motels are switching to
bathroom sinks that sit on top of the counter, with plumbing that looks
like the old fashioned hand water pump and bowl arrangement, thus are
automatically 8 " higher and further back, leaving no room for toothbrush
charger, hand towel (no towel hanger either) soap dish etc.

Scrollbars are not actually completely useless but close in this new form.
Sometimes it is hard to make them appear and if you click somewhere above
or below the slider the window slides up proportional to where you clicked
instead of one page.  Thus there is no longer a 'page up' 'page down'
function with the mouse button.  That gets very annoying when reading a
long document.

David Carlson

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 2:17 PM Steve Cohen  wrote:

> On 2/5/19 2:04 PM, David Carlson wrote:
> > GTK3 as default rather than GTK2.  I think those scroll bars first
> > appeared there but they seem to be becoming as fashionable as useless
> > 'antique' bathroom sinks.
> >
>
> While I appreciate and think I agree with the thrust of your comment,
> I'm not actually understanding what you mean.  Are you saying that GTK3
> renders scrollbars useless?  And why does GnuCash seem to be unique in
> how it handles this (at least among the applications I use)?
>
>
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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Steve Cohen

On 2/5/19 2:04 PM, David Carlson wrote:
GTK3 as default rather than GTK2.  I think those scroll bars first 
appeared there but they seem to be becoming as fashionable as useless 
'antique' bathroom sinks.




While I appreciate and think I agree with the thrust of your comment, 
I'm not actually understanding what you mean.  Are you saying that GTK3 
renders scrollbars useless?  And why does GnuCash seem to be unique in 
how it handles this (at least among the applications I use)?


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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread David Carlson
If you are using release 18.04 the default desktop was switched from Unity
to Gnome and that Gnome probably uses GTK3 as default rather than GTK2.  I
think those scroll bars first appeared there but they seem to be becoming
as fashionable as useless 'antique' bathroom sinks.

David Carlson

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 1:47 PM Steve Cohen  wrote:

> I fear that the main thread of this issue has been lost due to the
> irrelevant side issue raised about Windows.
>
> Below is the latest real message in this thread (in response to Colin Law):
>
> I was surprised to see 3.900 myself but that's what the About screen
> tells me:
>
> Version: 3.900
> Build ID: git 3.1-100-geb67baba5+ (2018-06-03)
> Finance::Quote: 1.47
>
> I am running the standard gnome version of Ubuntu with the exception of
> a change I made to get a wider scrollbar per:
>
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/775201/how-do-i-get-a-bigger-static-scrollbar-aka-normal-scrollbar
>
> I think I the only change I made was changing
>   -GtkRange-slider-width: 16;
> to
>   -GtkRange-slider-width: 25;
>
>
> However, this problem has been with me since gnucash v 2.x.x and on a
> previous version of Ubuntu where I hadn't messed with the scroll bar width.
>
> As for "X or Wayland" I don't know.  I am using whatever Ubuntu 18.04
> ships with out of the box.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/5/19 11:29 AM, Steve Cohen wrote:
> > I was surprised to see 3.900 myself but that's what the About screen
> > tells me:
> >
> > Version: 3.900
> > Build ID: git 3.1-100-geb67baba5+ (2018-06-03)
> > Finance::Quote: 1.47
> >
> > I am running the standard gnome version of Ubuntu with the exception of
> > a change I made to get a wider scrollbar per:
> >
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/775201/how-do-i-get-a-bigger-static-scrollbar-aka-normal-scrollbar
> > .  I think I the only change I made was changing
> >  -GtkRange-slider-width: 16;
> > to
> >  -GtkRange-slider-width: 25;
> >
> >
> > However, this problem has been with me since gnucash v 2.x.x and on a
> > previous version of Ubuntu where I hadn't messed with the scroll bar
> width.
> >
> > As for "X or Wayland" I don't know.  I am using whatever ubuntu ships
> > with out of the box.
> >
> >
> > On 2/5/19 11:07 AM, Colin Law wrote:
> >> I am not seeing any problems on Ubuntu 18.10 running GC 3.4.  Confused
> >> by the fact you say you are running 3.900 as I think 3.4 is the latest.
> >>
> >> Are you running the standard (Gnome) version of Ubuntu?  Are you using
> >> X or Wayland? That should be selectable from logon screen.  I am
> >> running X.
> >>
> >> Colin
> >>
> >> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 16:55, Steve Cohen  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> For two years something seemed not quite right about the use of
> >> scroll
> >> bars in Gnucash register windows, but I always just "lived with it"
> >> in a
> >> state of vague , not quite conscious annoyance.
> >>
> >> I have finally put my finger on the problem.
> >>
> >> When I click in the scroller and move my mouse, whenever the mouse
> >> leaves the scroll bar area the display snaps back to where it was
> >> before
> >> the scroll operation.  I initially tried to carefully keep the mouse
> >> within the scroll bar area, and that does prevent the display from
> >> snapping back - but my new ephiphany is this:  If I do manage not to
> >> stray from the bounds of the scroll bar before releasing the mouse
> >> button, then the display stays where my scrolling action left it
> BUT,
> >> the moment I subsequently move the mouse out of the scroll bar area,
> >> the
> >> display snaps to its previous position.  In particular this makes it
> >> impossible to edit an entry that was out of the visible scrolling
> >> area
> >> but became visible after scrolling, as it is gone before I can click
> >> it.
> >>The only way to get to a row not visible is by using the arrow
> >> keys or
> >> PgUp, PgDown.  Ironically, pressing those keys does move the
> >> scroller.
> >>
> >> I am running GNUCash version 3.900, which I built from source on
> >> 2018-06-03 on Ubuntu 18.04.
> >>
> >> This is highly irritating and non-standard behavior, I think.  Other
> >> apps do not handle scrolling this way, such as the Thunderbird Mail
> >> inbox, Libre Office Calc, etc.  I was not able to find a setting
> that
> >> would govern this behavior.  Do others experience this, or is it a
> >> bug?
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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Geert Janssens
Op dinsdag 5 februari 2019 20:45:55 CET schreef Steve Cohen:
> I fear that the main thread of this issue has been lost due to the
> irrelevant side issue raised about Windows.
> 
> Below is the latest real message in this thread (in response to Colin Law):
> 
> I was surprised to see 3.900 myself but that's what the About screen
> tells me:
> 
> Version: 3.900
> Build ID: git 3.1-100-geb67baba5+ (2018-06-03)
> Finance::Quote: 1.47
> 
That means this gnucash was built from the master branch instead of the maint 
branch. I don't know where you got it, but master is intended for new 
development, not user oriented builds. You may want to ask your package source 
for details.

That aside I don't think it will affect scrollbar behavior. There are no 
relevant changes in that area between the two branches.

Regards,

Geert


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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Steve Cohen
I fear that the main thread of this issue has been lost due to the 
irrelevant side issue raised about Windows.


Below is the latest real message in this thread (in response to Colin Law):

I was surprised to see 3.900 myself but that's what the About screen
tells me:

Version: 3.900
Build ID: git 3.1-100-geb67baba5+ (2018-06-03)
Finance::Quote: 1.47

I am running the standard gnome version of Ubuntu with the exception of
a change I made to get a wider scrollbar per:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/775201/how-do-i-get-a-bigger-static-scrollbar-aka-normal-scrollbar 


I think I the only change I made was changing
 -GtkRange-slider-width: 16;
to
 -GtkRange-slider-width: 25;


However, this problem has been with me since gnucash v 2.x.x and on a
previous version of Ubuntu where I hadn't messed with the scroll bar width.

As for "X or Wayland" I don't know.  I am using whatever Ubuntu 18.04 
ships with out of the box.






On 2/5/19 11:29 AM, Steve Cohen wrote:
I was surprised to see 3.900 myself but that's what the About screen 
tells me:


Version: 3.900
Build ID: git 3.1-100-geb67baba5+ (2018-06-03)
Finance::Quote: 1.47

I am running the standard gnome version of Ubuntu with the exception of 
a change I made to get a wider scrollbar per: 
https://askubuntu.com/questions/775201/how-do-i-get-a-bigger-static-scrollbar-aka-normal-scrollbar 
.  I think I the only change I made was changing

     -GtkRange-slider-width: 16;
to
     -GtkRange-slider-width: 25;


However, this problem has been with me since gnucash v 2.x.x and on a 
previous version of Ubuntu where I hadn't messed with the scroll bar width.


As for "X or Wayland" I don't know.  I am using whatever ubuntu ships 
with out of the box.



On 2/5/19 11:07 AM, Colin Law wrote:
I am not seeing any problems on Ubuntu 18.10 running GC 3.4.  Confused 
by the fact you say you are running 3.900 as I think 3.4 is the latest.


Are you running the standard (Gnome) version of Ubuntu?  Are you using 
X or Wayland? That should be selectable from logon screen.  I am 
running X.


Colin

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 16:55, Steve Cohen > wrote:


    For two years something seemed not quite right about the use of 
scroll

    bars in Gnucash register windows, but I always just "lived with it"
    in a
    state of vague , not quite conscious annoyance.

    I have finally put my finger on the problem.

    When I click in the scroller and move my mouse, whenever the mouse
    leaves the scroll bar area the display snaps back to where it was
    before
    the scroll operation.  I initially tried to carefully keep the mouse
    within the scroll bar area, and that does prevent the display from
    snapping back - but my new ephiphany is this:  If I do manage not to
    stray from the bounds of the scroll bar before releasing the mouse
    button, then the display stays where my scrolling action left it BUT,
    the moment I subsequently move the mouse out of the scroll bar area,
    the
    display snaps to its previous position.  In particular this makes it
    impossible to edit an entry that was out of the visible scrolling 
area

    but became visible after scrolling, as it is gone before I can click
    it.
   The only way to get to a row not visible is by using the arrow
    keys or
    PgUp, PgDown.  Ironically, pressing those keys does move the 
scroller.


    I am running GNUCash version 3.900, which I built from source on
    2018-06-03 on Ubuntu 18.04.

    This is highly irritating and non-standard behavior, I think.  Other
    apps do not handle scrolling this way, such as the Thunderbird Mail
    inbox, Libre Office Calc, etc.  I was not able to find a setting that
    would govern this behavior.  Do others experience this, or is it a 
bug?

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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Bucky Carr


Then don't try to be so nice.  From your OP:

"When I click in the scroller and move my mouse, whenever the mouse 
leaves the scroll bar area the display snaps back to where it was 
before the scroll operation.  I initially tried to carefully keep the 
mouse within the scroll bar area, and that does prevent the display 
from snapping back - but my new ephiphany is this:  If I do manage not 
to stray from the bounds of the scroll bar before releasing the mouse 
button, then the display stays where my scrolling action left it BUT, 
the moment I subsequently move the mouse out of the scroll bar area, 
the display snaps to its previous position."


I followed your precise instructions above in MS Excel on Windows 10 a 
few seconds ago and it behaves EXACTLY as you are describing above.


My impression of your OP is that you seek to blame GNUcash for some 
unique behavior that is unseen anywhere else. Am I misunderstanding 
your OP?



On 2/5/2019 10:54 AM, Steve Cohen wrote:
I'm trying to be nice but you're making it hard.  I have never 
experienced such behavior in Windows or in Linux except with 
Gnucash.  I don't know what you're experiencing but it's not what I 
am experiencing.  Your input is less than helpful here.


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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Steve Cohen
I'm trying to be nice but you're making it hard.  I have never 
experienced such behavior in Windows or in Linux except with Gnucash.  I 
don't know what you're experiencing but it's not what I am experiencing. 
 Your input is less than helpful here.


On 2/5/19 11:43 AM, Bucky Carr wrote:


I just tried it with MS Excel (Win10) and it behaves exactly as you 
describe with your GNUcash-in-Linux experience. So it is not uncommon.


But it is annoying.


On 2/5/2019 10:38 AM, Steve Cohen wrote:

On 2/5/19 11:33 AM, Bucky Carr wrote:
Well, I am not using the Windows version and this behavior is unlike 
anything I ever saw when I did use Windows.


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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Bucky Carr



I just tried it with MS Excel (Win10) and it behaves exactly as you 
describe with your GNUcash-in-Linux experience. So it is not uncommon.


But it is annoying.


On 2/5/2019 10:38 AM, Steve Cohen wrote:

On 2/5/19 11:33 AM, Bucky Carr wrote:
Well, I am not using the Windows version and this behavior is unlike 
anything I ever saw when I did use Windows.


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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Steve Cohen

On 2/5/19 11:33 AM, Bucky Carr wrote:
Well, I am not using the Windows version and this behavior is unlike 
anything I ever saw when I did use Windows.




Isn't GNUcash a Windows program? :)

The OP said that "other programs don't do this". I was pointing out that 
the observed behavior is evident in other programs as well, and I just 
happened to mention the "other programs" are Windows programs, too, just 
like GNUcash is a Windows (and other platform) program.


On 2/5/2019 10:27 AM, Colin Law wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 17:22, Bucky Carr > wrote:




    I've noticed that exact behavior in many other Windows programs as
    well. Definitely annoying.


We are not talking about Windows programs are we?

Colin



    On 2/5/2019 9:53 AM, Steve Cohen wrote:
    > For two years something seemed not quite right about the use of
    > scroll bars in Gnucash register windows, but I always just "lived
    > with it" in a state of vague , not quite conscious annoyance.
    >
    > I have finally put my finger on the problem.
    >
    > When I click in the scroller and move my mouse, whenever the
    mouse
    > leaves the scroll bar area the display snaps back to where it was
    > before the scroll operation.  I initially tried to carefully keep
    > the mouse within the scroll bar area, and that does prevent the
    > display from snapping back - but my new ephiphany is this:  If
    I do
    > manage not to stray from the bounds of the scroll bar before
    > releasing the mouse button, then the display stays where my
    > scrolling action left it BUT, the moment I subsequently move the
    > mouse out of the scroll bar area, the display snaps to its
    previous
    > position.  In particular this makes it impossible to edit an
    entry
    > that was out of the visible scrolling area but became visible
    after
    > scrolling, as it is gone before I can click it.  The only way
    to get
    > to a row not visible is by using the arrow keys or PgUp, PgDown.
    > Ironically, pressing those keys does move the scroller.
    >
    > I am running GNUCash version 3.900, which I built from source on
    > 2018-06-03 on Ubuntu 18.04.
    >
    > This is highly irritating and non-standard behavior, I think.
    Other
    > apps do not handle scrolling this way, such as the Thunderbird
    Mail
    > inbox, Libre Office Calc, etc.  I was not able to find a setting
    > that would govern this behavior.  Do others experience this,
    or is
    > it a bug?



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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Bucky Carr


Isn't GNUcash a Windows program? :)

The OP said that "other programs don't do this". I was pointing out 
that the observed behavior is evident in other programs as well, and I 
just happened to mention the "other programs" are Windows programs, 
too, just like GNUcash is a Windows (and other platform) program.


On 2/5/2019 10:27 AM, Colin Law wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 17:22, Bucky Carr > wrote:




I've noticed that exact behavior in many other Windows programs as
well. Definitely annoying.


We are not talking about Windows programs are we?

Colin



On 2/5/2019 9:53 AM, Steve Cohen wrote:
> For two years something seemed not quite right about the use of
> scroll bars in Gnucash register windows, but I always just "lived
> with it" in a state of vague , not quite conscious annoyance.
>
> I have finally put my finger on the problem.
>
> When I click in the scroller and move my mouse, whenever the
mouse
> leaves the scroll bar area the display snaps back to where it was
> before the scroll operation.  I initially tried to carefully keep
> the mouse within the scroll bar area, and that does prevent the
> display from snapping back - but my new ephiphany is this:  If
I do
> manage not to stray from the bounds of the scroll bar before
> releasing the mouse button, then the display stays where my
> scrolling action left it BUT, the moment I subsequently move the
> mouse out of the scroll bar area, the display snaps to its
previous
> position.  In particular this makes it impossible to edit an
entry
> that was out of the visible scrolling area but became visible
after
> scrolling, as it is gone before I can click it.  The only way
to get
> to a row not visible is by using the arrow keys or PgUp, PgDown.
> Ironically, pressing those keys does move the scroller.
>
> I am running GNUCash version 3.900, which I built from source on
> 2018-06-03 on Ubuntu 18.04.
>
> This is highly irritating and non-standard behavior, I think.
Other
> apps do not handle scrolling this way, such as the Thunderbird
Mail
> inbox, Libre Office Calc, etc.  I was not able to find a setting
> that would govern this behavior.  Do others experience this,
or is
> it a bug?



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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Steve Cohen
I was surprised to see 3.900 myself but that's what the About screen 
tells me:


Version: 3.900
Build ID: git 3.1-100-geb67baba5+ (2018-06-03)
Finance::Quote: 1.47

I am running the standard gnome version of Ubuntu with the exception of 
a change I made to get a wider scrollbar per: 
https://askubuntu.com/questions/775201/how-do-i-get-a-bigger-static-scrollbar-aka-normal-scrollbar 
.  I think I the only change I made was changing

-GtkRange-slider-width: 16;
to
-GtkRange-slider-width: 25;


However, this problem has been with me since gnucash v 2.x.x and on a 
previous version of Ubuntu where I hadn't messed with the scroll bar width.


As for "X or Wayland" I don't know.  I am using whatever ubuntu ships 
with out of the box.



On 2/5/19 11:07 AM, Colin Law wrote:
I am not seeing any problems on Ubuntu 18.10 running GC 3.4.  Confused 
by the fact you say you are running 3.900 as I think 3.4 is the latest.


Are you running the standard (Gnome) version of Ubuntu?  Are you using X 
or Wayland? That should be selectable from logon screen.  I am running X.


Colin

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 16:55, Steve Cohen > wrote:


For two years something seemed not quite right about the use of scroll
bars in Gnucash register windows, but I always just "lived with it"
in a
state of vague , not quite conscious annoyance.

I have finally put my finger on the problem.

When I click in the scroller and move my mouse, whenever the mouse
leaves the scroll bar area the display snaps back to where it was
before
the scroll operation.  I initially tried to carefully keep the mouse
within the scroll bar area, and that does prevent the display from
snapping back - but my new ephiphany is this:  If I do manage not to
stray from the bounds of the scroll bar before releasing the mouse
button, then the display stays where my scrolling action left it BUT,
the moment I subsequently move the mouse out of the scroll bar area,
the
display snaps to its previous position.  In particular this makes it
impossible to edit an entry that was out of the visible scrolling area
but became visible after scrolling, as it is gone before I can click
it.
   The only way to get to a row not visible is by using the arrow
keys or
PgUp, PgDown.  Ironically, pressing those keys does move the scroller.

I am running GNUCash version 3.900, which I built from source on
2018-06-03 on Ubuntu 18.04.

This is highly irritating and non-standard behavior, I think.  Other
apps do not handle scrolling this way, such as the Thunderbird Mail
inbox, Libre Office Calc, etc.  I was not able to find a setting that
would govern this behavior.  Do others experience this, or is it a bug?
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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Colin Law
On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 17:22, Bucky Carr  wrote:

>
>
> I've noticed that exact behavior in many other Windows programs as
> well. Definitely annoying.
>

We are not talking about Windows programs are we?

Colin


>
>
> On 2/5/2019 9:53 AM, Steve Cohen wrote:
> > For two years something seemed not quite right about the use of
> > scroll bars in Gnucash register windows, but I always just "lived
> > with it" in a state of vague , not quite conscious annoyance.
> >
> > I have finally put my finger on the problem.
> >
> > When I click in the scroller and move my mouse, whenever the mouse
> > leaves the scroll bar area the display snaps back to where it was
> > before the scroll operation.  I initially tried to carefully keep
> > the mouse within the scroll bar area, and that does prevent the
> > display from snapping back - but my new ephiphany is this:  If I do
> > manage not to stray from the bounds of the scroll bar before
> > releasing the mouse button, then the display stays where my
> > scrolling action left it BUT, the moment I subsequently move the
> > mouse out of the scroll bar area, the display snaps to its previous
> > position.  In particular this makes it impossible to edit an entry
> > that was out of the visible scrolling area but became visible after
> > scrolling, as it is gone before I can click it.  The only way to get
> > to a row not visible is by using the arrow keys or PgUp, PgDown.
> > Ironically, pressing those keys does move the scroller.
> >
> > I am running GNUCash version 3.900, which I built from source on
> > 2018-06-03 on Ubuntu 18.04.
> >
> > This is highly irritating and non-standard behavior, I think. Other
> > apps do not handle scrolling this way, such as the Thunderbird Mail
> > inbox, Libre Office Calc, etc.  I was not able to find a setting
> > that would govern this behavior.  Do others experience this, or is
> > it a bug?
>
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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Bucky Carr



I've noticed that exact behavior in many other Windows programs as 
well. Definitely annoying.



On 2/5/2019 9:53 AM, Steve Cohen wrote:
For two years something seemed not quite right about the use of 
scroll bars in Gnucash register windows, but I always just "lived 
with it" in a state of vague , not quite conscious annoyance.


I have finally put my finger on the problem.

When I click in the scroller and move my mouse, whenever the mouse 
leaves the scroll bar area the display snaps back to where it was 
before the scroll operation.  I initially tried to carefully keep 
the mouse within the scroll bar area, and that does prevent the 
display from snapping back - but my new ephiphany is this:  If I do 
manage not to stray from the bounds of the scroll bar before 
releasing the mouse button, then the display stays where my 
scrolling action left it BUT, the moment I subsequently move the 
mouse out of the scroll bar area, the display snaps to its previous 
position.  In particular this makes it impossible to edit an entry 
that was out of the visible scrolling area but became visible after 
scrolling, as it is gone before I can click it.  The only way to get 
to a row not visible is by using the arrow keys or PgUp, PgDown.  
Ironically, pressing those keys does move the scroller.


I am running GNUCash version 3.900, which I built from source on 
2018-06-03 on Ubuntu 18.04.


This is highly irritating and non-standard behavior, I think. Other 
apps do not handle scrolling this way, such as the Thunderbird Mail 
inbox, Libre Office Calc, etc.  I was not able to find a setting 
that would govern this behavior.  Do others experience this, or is 
it a bug?


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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Colin Law
I am not seeing any problems on Ubuntu 18.10 running GC 3.4.  Confused by
the fact you say you are running 3.900 as I think 3.4 is the latest.

Are you running the standard (Gnome) version of Ubuntu?  Are you using X or
Wayland? That should be selectable from logon screen.  I am running X.

Colin

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 16:55, Steve Cohen  wrote:

> For two years something seemed not quite right about the use of scroll
> bars in Gnucash register windows, but I always just "lived with it" in a
> state of vague , not quite conscious annoyance.
>
> I have finally put my finger on the problem.
>
> When I click in the scroller and move my mouse, whenever the mouse
> leaves the scroll bar area the display snaps back to where it was before
> the scroll operation.  I initially tried to carefully keep the mouse
> within the scroll bar area, and that does prevent the display from
> snapping back - but my new ephiphany is this:  If I do manage not to
> stray from the bounds of the scroll bar before releasing the mouse
> button, then the display stays where my scrolling action left it BUT,
> the moment I subsequently move the mouse out of the scroll bar area, the
> display snaps to its previous position.  In particular this makes it
> impossible to edit an entry that was out of the visible scrolling area
> but became visible after scrolling, as it is gone before I can click it.
>   The only way to get to a row not visible is by using the arrow keys or
> PgUp, PgDown.  Ironically, pressing those keys does move the scroller.
>
> I am running GNUCash version 3.900, which I built from source on
> 2018-06-03 on Ubuntu 18.04.
>
> This is highly irritating and non-standard behavior, I think.  Other
> apps do not handle scrolling this way, such as the Thunderbird Mail
> inbox, Libre Office Calc, etc.  I was not able to find a setting that
> would govern this behavior.  Do others experience this, or is it a bug?
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Re: [GNC] Transferring portion of mutual fund account to another fund account

2019-02-05 Thread David Carlson
On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:17 AM Harry Foerster  wrote:

> It seems this email request has gone sideways a bit.
>
> The actual transactions are being handled by the financial institutions
> accordingly and reported to me in statements. I fully believe their
> accountants are following the proper Canadian financial security laws.
>
> The crust of my request for assistance was how I could personally record
> these transaction into Gnucash; what steps or procedures does Gnucash have
> to allow the transfer, on the cost basis, of units between accounts in
> Gnucash. Any suggestions or hints on a path to follow is appreciated.
>
>
Technically, our answer remains the same, 'Ask your accountant.'

However, once your accountant has given you an answer regarding how
Canadian accountants handle such transactions in their accounting reports
to the government, you can go the the GnuCash Tutorial.

There you can read the Investments section which only covers certain
specific cases but describes a lot of detail about the inner workings of
GnuCash and often leads users to their own creative solutions to coaxing
GnuCash into generating similar reports.

There has also been a lot of discussion in this maillist over the years and
sometimes a user can describe details about, say, how the 'Lots' feature
works or how unrealized income is calculated in reports.  Your question
probably revolves around when and how to track unrealized gains or convert
them to realized gains.  While I know absolutely nothing about how you do
that in Canada, I do know it is far different from the way it is done in
the US, and Carte Blanche assumptions are probably wrong.  There may be
some Canadian users able to share how they track similar situations,
perhaps at your local library.

Most of what you will find here is based on the assumption that the stock
or fund is bought or sold from the same security account at the same
brokerage house, not 'in kind' transfers between brokers or from your
safety deposit box to your broker.

Good Luck,

David Carlson
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[GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Steve Cohen
For two years something seemed not quite right about the use of scroll 
bars in Gnucash register windows, but I always just "lived with it" in a 
state of vague , not quite conscious annoyance.


I have finally put my finger on the problem.

When I click in the scroller and move my mouse, whenever the mouse 
leaves the scroll bar area the display snaps back to where it was before 
the scroll operation.  I initially tried to carefully keep the mouse 
within the scroll bar area, and that does prevent the display from 
snapping back - but my new ephiphany is this:  If I do manage not to 
stray from the bounds of the scroll bar before releasing the mouse 
button, then the display stays where my scrolling action left it BUT, 
the moment I subsequently move the mouse out of the scroll bar area, the 
display snaps to its previous position.  In particular this makes it 
impossible to edit an entry that was out of the visible scrolling area 
but became visible after scrolling, as it is gone before I can click it. 
 The only way to get to a row not visible is by using the arrow keys or 
PgUp, PgDown.  Ironically, pressing those keys does move the scroller.


I am running GNUCash version 3.900, which I built from source on 
2018-06-03 on Ubuntu 18.04.


This is highly irritating and non-standard behavior, I think.  Other 
apps do not handle scrolling this way, such as the Thunderbird Mail 
inbox, Libre Office Calc, etc.  I was not able to find a setting that 
would govern this behavior.  Do others experience this, or is it a bug?

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Re: [GNC] Transferring portion of mutual fund account to another fund account

2019-02-05 Thread Harry Foerster
It seems this email request has gone sideways a bit.

The actual transactions are being handled by the financial institutions
accordingly and reported to me in statements. I fully believe their
accountants are following the proper Canadian financial security laws.

The crust of my request for assistance was how I could personally record
these transaction into Gnucash; what steps or procedures does Gnucash have
to allow the transfer, on the cost basis, of units between accounts in
Gnucash. Any suggestions or hints on a path to follow is appreciated.
 

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user  On
Behalf Of Michael or Penny Novack
Sent: February 5, 2019 8:58 AM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Transferring portion of mutual fund account to another
fund account

On 2/4/2019 8:09 PM, David Carlson wrote:
> If you are in the US and both funds are within the same custodial 
> account the answer is trivial, just sell one and buy the other.  It 
> only matters when you withdraw cash.
>
> If you are somehow moving shares from one custodian to another, that 
> is more complicated.
>
> If they are non-custodial accounts ask your accountant.
>
> David Carlson
>
This (correct) answer points out that this was NOT a gnucash question but
rather a question about how to account for a transaction of this sort no
matter what was being used for the bookkeeping (even old fashioned pen and
ink on paper). The problem with questions of this sort is that while many of
us here do know the answer (and "allowed" to use that knowledge for our own
books, few if any of us hold the "credentials" allowing us to advise others.

That's why we have to say "ask your accountant".

Michael D Novack
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash terminates immediately

2019-02-05 Thread John Ralls



> On Feb 5, 2019, at 6:35 AM, David Carlson  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019, 5:30 AM Bostjan Vilfan  
>> I tried both, gnucash 3.4 as well as 2.6.26; therefore it could be
>> something with Windows 10 version 1809; in case you are able to figure out
>> something, I am enclosing link to Windows msinfo results:
>> 
> 
> 
>> Regards,
>> bostjanv
>> 
>>> __
>>> 
>>> 
> There are instructions in the Gnucash wiki on how to get error messages out
> of Gnucash, I am not online right now, so I cannot tell you exactly where,
> I just remember that it is not an easy task.
> 
> There is also a way to start Gnucash from the command line without a data
> file.  Sometimes a bad data file can cause a crash.  Again the exact
> procedure escapes me, but other users or devs may be able to help.
> 
> Sorry I cannot be more help right now.

The instructions are at https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile and 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/stack_trace. The trace file is easy. The stack 
trace is hard only on windows, but is the most useful when you have a crash.

Please don't post either here: Crashes deserve bug reports.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Transferring portion of mutual fund account to another fund account

2019-02-05 Thread Michael or Penny Novack

On 2/4/2019 8:09 PM, David Carlson wrote:

If you are in the US and both funds are within the same custodial account
the answer is trivial, just sell one and buy the other.  It only matters
when you withdraw cash.

If you are somehow moving shares from one custodian to another, that is
more complicated.

If they are non-custodial accounts ask your accountant.

David Carlson

This (correct) answer points out that this was NOT a gnucash question 
but rather a question about how to account for a transaction of this 
sort no matter what was being used for the bookkeeping (even old 
fashioned pen and ink on paper). The problem with questions of this sort 
is that while many of us here do know the answer (and "allowed" to use 
that knowledge for our own books, few if any of us hold the 
"credentials" allowing us to advise others.


That's why we have to say "ask your accountant".

Michael D Novack
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash terminates immediately

2019-02-05 Thread David Carlson
On Tue, Feb 5, 2019, 5:30 AM Bostjan Vilfan  I tried both, gnucash 3.4 as well as 2.6.26; therefore it could be
> something with Windows 10 version 1809; in case you are able to figure out
> something, I am enclosing link to Windows msinfo results:
>


> Regards,
> bostjanv
>
>> __
>>
>>
There are instructions in the Gnucash wiki on how to get error messages out
of Gnucash, I am not online right now, so I cannot tell you exactly where,
I just remember that it is not an easy task.

There is also a way to start Gnucash from the command line without a data
file.  Sometimes a bad data file can cause a crash.  Again the exact
procedure escapes me, but other users or devs may be able to help.

Sorry I cannot be more help right now.

David Carlson
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Re: [GNC] How to change size of register in Gnucash 3.4

2019-02-05 Thread Frank H. Ellenberger



Am 05.02.19 um 11:47 schrieb Liz:
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:30:21 +
> Colin Law  wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 05:54, Liz  wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:17:16 +1100
>>> Liz  wrote:
:

> $ find ~/ -name home.gnucash.gcm
> /home/liz/.local/share/gnucash/books/home.gnucash.gcm
> /home/liz/.gnucash/books/home.gnucash.gcm
> 
> I presume they are from different versions.

Right, https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations should
explain the details.

~Frank

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Re: [GNC] How to change size of register in Gnucash 3.4

2019-02-05 Thread Liz
On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:30:21 +
Colin Law  wrote:

> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 05:54, Liz  wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:17:16 +1100
> > Liz  wrote:
> >  
> > > Debian Linux
> > > Build ID: 3.4+ (2018-12-30)
> > >
> > > I had the registers set so that I could open 4 without
> > > overlapping on my screen.
> > > With Gnucash 3.4 they all got wider and now take up more screen
> > > space than I desire.
> > >
> > > With the mouse pointer I can make wider still but I wish to make
> > > them narrower, and it doesn't wish to make it as narrow as I wish.
> > >
> > > I've tried altering WindowGeometry in Account.gnucash.gcm but this
> > > doesn't seem to have any effect at all.
> > >
> > > Liz
> > >  
> > I found two versions of Account.gnucash.gcm
> > and the newer one does not pay attention to a lesser width, just
> > opens the same size, and rewrites the larger number on closing the
> > register. 
> 
> I think this is this feature that I reported as a bug [1]
> 
> @Liz can you explain what you meant by finding two versions?  Are they
> associated with different versions of GC?
> 
> Colin
> 
> [1] https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796911
> 
> 
$ find ~/ -name home.gnucash.gcm
/home/liz/.local/share/gnucash/books/home.gnucash.gcm
/home/liz/.gnucash/books/home.gnucash.gcm

I presume they are from different versions.
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Re: [GNC] How to change size of register in Gnucash 3.4

2019-02-05 Thread Colin Law
On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 05:54, Liz  wrote:

> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:17:16 +1100
> Liz  wrote:
>
> > Debian Linux
> > Build ID: 3.4+ (2018-12-30)
> >
> > I had the registers set so that I could open 4 without overlapping on
> > my screen.
> > With Gnucash 3.4 they all got wider and now take up more screen space
> > than I desire.
> >
> > With the mouse pointer I can make wider still but I wish to make them
> > narrower, and it doesn't wish to make it as narrow as I wish.
> >
> > I've tried altering WindowGeometry in Account.gnucash.gcm but this
> > doesn't seem to have any effect at all.
> >
> > Liz
> >
> I found two versions of Account.gnucash.gcm
> and the newer one does not pay attention to a lesser width, just opens
> the same size, and rewrites the larger number on closing the register.
>

I think this is this feature that I reported as a bug [1]

@Liz can you explain what you meant by finding two versions?  Are they
associated with different versions of GC?

Colin

[1] https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796911


>
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