Re: [GNC] Trial Balance with more "Display" option

[John Ralls]

Thanks for the hint but nobody but me will see it if you don't copy the list. 
You should make sure to do that for all replies to list emails.

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Jun 1, 2021, at 10:43 PM, Andreas Vyrides  wrote:
> 
> Dear Mr Ralls,
> 
> Thank you for your email.
> 
> This is just for future reference to anyone with a similar question to mine.
> 
> The best way to get a Trial balance like look would be to create a 
> Transaction report, and at the "Display" tab, select the subtotal table 
> option. Then at sorting, you can select "Show Subtotals only (Hide 
> transactional data), resulting in only table being show.
> 
> I am sure you can then play around with different options to make the report 
> the way you want it.
> 
> I hope this helps
> 
> Thank you for your time
> 
> 
> On 21/05/2021 17:49, John Ralls wrote:
>> 
>>> On May 21, 2021, at 2:48 AM, Andreas Vyrides  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear Sir,
>>> 
>>> I would like to know if there is a way to include "Account codes" into the 
>>> Trial Balance Report. Currently only account name is visible, and there are 
>>> no other options available.
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your time
>> Unfortunately the only way is for you to copy that report and base a new 
>> custom report on it. That's not easy unless you're a fairly proficient 
>> programmer. There are some instructions at 
>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Custom_Reports to get you started.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>> 

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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[Stephen M. Butler]

On 6/2/21 2:36 PM, David Carlson wrote:

Stephen,

There have been several posts explaining why it can be desirable to 
allow postponement of the completion of a balanced transaction because 
not all the details are known but the core of the transaction should 
not be postponed into oblivion.


I was responding to the question "Why delete an account that's only 
going to get created again?".  Not commenting on whether or not the 
account should be created as needed.  Yes, most times being more careful 
will eliminate the sudden appearance of the account.  Again, note the 
"most".




On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 4:24 PM Stephen M. Butler 
mailto:stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


On 6/2/21 11:22 AM, D. via gnucash-user wrote:
> Why delete an account that's only going to get created again?

1.  So you know when something needs attention.
2.  Make you more careful to not let the account be created in the
first
place.

--Steve
>
>
>  Original Message 
> From: Michael Hendry mailto:hendry.mich...@gmail.com>>
> Sent: Wed Jun 02 12:25:39 EDT 2021
> To: Peter West mailto:p...@pbw.id.au>>
> Cc: GnuCash users group mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>>
> Subject: Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ??
JUST CURIOUS
>
>> On 2 Jun 2021, at 02:44, Peter West mailto:p...@pbw.id.au>> wrote:
>>
>> I’m a fairly naive user, but I find the Imbalance-XXX and
Orphan-XXX accounts (at top level in my CoA) extremely useful, and
I understand why they are there. If I ever see a balance, I know I
have to fix something, which is a good reason to have them at the
top. I can’t comment on any changes that might have occurred in
the behaviour of these accounts recently. However, in respect of
the tidiness of the CoA, one possible solution is to create a
special case for these accounts, such that they only display in
the CoA listing when they have a non-zero balance.
>>
>> Peter
>
> Why not simply delete the Imbalance and Orphan accounts when
you’ve sorted out the problem and zeroed their contents - they’ll
be created automatically if required.
>
> Michael
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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[David Cousens]

David,
You have to look at the use cases of a wide range of users Some may have
multiple vehicle and want to track expenses separately for each vehicle for
example. being able to name the accounts the same for each vehicleis a great
benefit They would want be be able to create 2 or more subaccounts named fuel
each undera placeholder for the specific vehicle. Some may have accounts tagged
with a customer's name. Having to have unique names for each account at the leaf
level would likely create difficulties across the board. The path down the
account tree gives you the necessary  level of visual uniqeness and the GUID
assigned to each account is unique so there is no problem with uniquely
identifying a special account.

 What is necessary to implement what David T desires and what appears to have
been the default behaviouris for there to be a pointer to the unique guid of the
imbalance account for each currency in use stored when it is first created and
if GnuCash requires an Imbalance account it searches those pointers before
creating a new one. That way it doesnt matter where the account sits in the  CoA
heirarchy (accounts are not stored internally in a tree structure but are just a
serial linked  lists of data objects with parent and child pointers) so it can
be moved around with impunity and because there is a special pointer to its
guid, located quickly without a tree search.

Since it appears to have been introducedin the changes from 4.4 to 4.5 it should
not be too hard to track down. It is most likely introduced when changes were
made to the code for an unrelated reason. I think David T raised a bug report
and if not he should as that will put it on the radar to be looked at. The
discussion here is useful though as it highlights that a lot of us use Gnucash
in sometimes subtly different ways and sometimes not so subtly different ways
and it gives whoever does the programming information which can help to keep
GnuCash flexible

At the moment, I simply do as Michael Hendry suggested and delete the Imbalance
accounts once I have fixed any problems when they do occur. My accounts in
retirement are pretty simple though and I don't have a large number of errors.

On Wed, 2021-06-02 at 16:05 -0500, David Carlson wrote:
> Since you bring up the concept of reserved names, perhaps any account name
> that Gnucash creates probably should be a reserved name so the entire
> argument about creating accounts with the same name should be moot.  Then
> the previous behavior of allowing it to be moved would not be an issue.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 3:56 PM David Carlson 
> wrote:
> 
> > As David pointed out in his very first post of the other thread. GnuCash
> > has removed an existing function without warning.  Some of us use it and
> > want it back.
> > 
> > On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 3:40 PM Michael or Penny Novack <
> > stepbystepf...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > On 6/2/2021 2:27 PM, D. via gnucash-user wrote:
> > > > The discussion about the location of Imbalance-XXX accounts is under a
> > > different thread, and I explained there my reasons for my account
> > > structure
> > > and Gnucash's previous implementation. Suffice to say that I'd rather keep
> > > Imbalance-USD around (since it will get created all over again), but put
> > > it
> > > in the location of MY choosing.
> > > 
> > > The "location" of an account is, in effect, part of its name, its full
> > > name. You could have half a dozen accounts with the "name" Imbalance as
> > > long as each was a different leaf of the tree (location in the CoA). How
> > > do you propose gnucash to "know" WHICH of these you intend to be used as
> > > the account to use for imbalance situations?
> > > 
> > > What you are asking form in effect, is the ability to specify an account
> > > to be used for the purpose.
> > > 
> > > I know you are thinking, just look for a leaf with name Imbalance. That
> > > could work IF gnucash reserved the name, disallowed you creating an
> > > account with that name. Account names in gnucash do NOT have to be
> > > unique/distinct.  Is it the case that in your own books you do not have
> > > accounts with the same "name" but different leaves of the tree so you
> > > don't see the problem. The developers put Imbalance at the top level of
> > > the tree precisely because that would be unique (could only be one).
> > > 
> > > Michael D Novack
> > > 
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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[D. via gnucash-user]

Yeah,  I actually don't care about the account existing; it's easy enough to 
correct the problems, which, quite frankly, are more trouble to avoid than fix. 
So, I'm happy just to let it be there, which cuts down on my having to alter my 
CoA. 

And as I have noted time and time and time again in this thread, my quibble is 
with the change in GnuCash behavior with version 4.5. No one has explained why 
this change has occurred, let alone explain to me what I might do, short of 
downgrading and staying forevermore on 4.4, to get this fixed. 

David


 Original Message 
From: "Stephen M. Butler" 
Sent: Wed Jun 02 17:23:54 EDT 2021
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

On 6/2/21 11:22 AM, D. via gnucash-user wrote:
> Why delete an account that's only going to get created again?

1.  So you know when something needs attention.
2.  Make you more careful to not let the account be created in the first 
place.

--Steve
>
>
>  Original Message 
> From: Michael Hendry 
> Sent: Wed Jun 02 12:25:39 EDT 2021
> To: Peter West 
> Cc: GnuCash users group 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS
>
>> On 2 Jun 2021, at 02:44, Peter West  wrote:
>>
>> I’m a fairly naive user, but I find the Imbalance-XXX and Orphan-XXX 
>> accounts (at top level in my CoA) extremely useful, and I understand why 
>> they are there. If I ever see a balance, I know I have to fix something, 
>> which is a good reason to have them at the top. I can’t comment on any 
>> changes that might have occurred in the behaviour of these accounts 
>> recently. However, in respect of the tidiness of the CoA, one possible 
>> solution is to create a special case for these accounts, such that they only 
>> display in the CoA listing when they have a non-zero balance.
>>
>> Peter
>
> Why not simply delete the Imbalance and Orphan accounts when you’ve sorted 
> out the problem and zeroed their contents - they’ll be created automatically 
> if required.
>
> Michael
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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[John Morris]

Yes, David, That is why YOU would want the imbalance account functionality. 
However, other people work differently. Some people have no need for that 
functionality and don’t like the creation of extra unneeded accounts. It would 
be nice if GnuCash worked well for everyone instead of forcing everyone to work 
the way one person likes to work.

John

> On Jun 2, 2021, at 5:36 PM, David Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Stephen,
> 
> There have been several posts explaining why it can be desirable to allow
> postponement of the completion of a balanced transaction because not all
> the details are known but the core of the transaction should not be
> postponed into oblivion.

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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[David Carlson]

Stephen,

There have been several posts explaining why it can be desirable to allow
postponement of the completion of a balanced transaction because not all
the details are known but the core of the transaction should not be
postponed into oblivion.

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 4:24 PM Stephen M. Butler <
stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 6/2/21 11:22 AM, D. via gnucash-user wrote:
> > Why delete an account that's only going to get created again?
>
> 1.  So you know when something needs attention.
> 2.  Make you more careful to not let the account be created in the first
> place.
>
> --Steve
> >
> >
> >  Original Message 
> > From: Michael Hendry 
> > Sent: Wed Jun 02 12:25:39 EDT 2021
> > To: Peter West 
> > Cc: GnuCash users group 
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST
> CURIOUS
> >
> >> On 2 Jun 2021, at 02:44, Peter West  wrote:
> >>
> >> I’m a fairly naive user, but I find the Imbalance-XXX and Orphan-XXX
> accounts (at top level in my CoA) extremely useful, and I understand why
> they are there. If I ever see a balance, I know I have to fix something,
> which is a good reason to have them at the top. I can’t comment on any
> changes that might have occurred in the behaviour of these accounts
> recently. However, in respect of the tidiness of the CoA, one possible
> solution is to create a special case for these accounts, such that they
> only display in the CoA listing when they have a non-zero balance.
> >>
> >> Peter
> >
> > Why not simply delete the Imbalance and Orphan accounts when you’ve
> sorted out the problem and zeroed their contents - they’ll be created
> automatically if required.
> >
> > Michael
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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[Stephen M. Butler]

On 6/2/21 11:22 AM, D. via gnucash-user wrote:

Why delete an account that's only going to get created again?


1.  So you know when something needs attention.
2.  Make you more careful to not let the account be created in the first 
place.


--Steve



 Original Message 
From: Michael Hendry 
Sent: Wed Jun 02 12:25:39 EDT 2021
To: Peter West 
Cc: GnuCash users group 
Subject: Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS


On 2 Jun 2021, at 02:44, Peter West  wrote:

I’m a fairly naive user, but I find the Imbalance-XXX and Orphan-XXX accounts 
(at top level in my CoA) extremely useful, and I understand why they are there. 
If I ever see a balance, I know I have to fix something, which is a good reason 
to have them at the top. I can’t comment on any changes that might have 
occurred in the behaviour of these accounts recently. However, in respect of 
the tidiness of the CoA, one possible solution is to create a special case for 
these accounts, such that they only display in the CoA listing when they have a 
non-zero balance.

Peter


Why not simply delete the Imbalance and Orphan accounts when you’ve sorted out 
the problem and zeroed their contents - they’ll be created automatically if 
required.

Michael

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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[D. via gnucash-user]

Michael, 

I expect gnucash should know the "full name" of the imbalance account BECAUSE 
THAT'S WHAT IT DID BEFORE 4.5. 

David


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From: Michael or Penny Novack 
Sent: Wed Jun 02 16:39:05 EDT 2021
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

On 6/2/2021 2:27 PM, D. via gnucash-user wrote:
> The discussion about the location of Imbalance-XXX accounts is under a 
> different thread, and I explained there my reasons for my account structure 
> and Gnucash's previous implementation. Suffice to say that I'd rather keep 
> Imbalance-USD around (since it will get created all over again), but put it 
> in the location of MY choosing.

The "location" of an account is, in effect, part of its name, its full 
name. You could have half a dozen accounts with the "name" Imbalance as 
long as each was a different leaf of the tree (location in the CoA). How 
do you propose gnucash to "know" WHICH of these you intend to be used as 
the account to use for imbalance situations?

What you are asking form in effect, is the ability to specify an account 
to be used for the purpose.

I know you are thinking, just look for a leaf with name Imbalance. That 
could work IF gnucash reserved the name, disallowed you creating an 
account with that name. Account names in gnucash do NOT have to be 
unique/distinct.  Is it the case that in your own books you do not have 
accounts with the same "name" but different leaves of the tree so you 
don't see the problem. The developers put Imbalance at the top level of 
the tree precisely because that would be unique (could only be one).

Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[David Carlson]

Since you bring up the concept of reserved names, perhaps any account name
that Gnucash creates probably should be a reserved name so the entire
argument about creating accounts with the same name should be moot.  Then
the previous behavior of allowing it to be moved would not be an issue.

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 3:56 PM David Carlson 
wrote:

> As David pointed out in his very first post of the other thread. GnuCash
> has removed an existing function without warning.  Some of us use it and
> want it back.
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 3:40 PM Michael or Penny Novack <
> stepbystepf...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On 6/2/2021 2:27 PM, D. via gnucash-user wrote:
>> > The discussion about the location of Imbalance-XXX accounts is under a
>> different thread, and I explained there my reasons for my account structure
>> and Gnucash's previous implementation. Suffice to say that I'd rather keep
>> Imbalance-USD around (since it will get created all over again), but put it
>> in the location of MY choosing.
>>
>> The "location" of an account is, in effect, part of its name, its full
>> name. You could have half a dozen accounts with the "name" Imbalance as
>> long as each was a different leaf of the tree (location in the CoA). How
>> do you propose gnucash to "know" WHICH of these you intend to be used as
>> the account to use for imbalance situations?
>>
>> What you are asking form in effect, is the ability to specify an account
>> to be used for the purpose.
>>
>> I know you are thinking, just look for a leaf with name Imbalance. That
>> could work IF gnucash reserved the name, disallowed you creating an
>> account with that name. Account names in gnucash do NOT have to be
>> unique/distinct.  Is it the case that in your own books you do not have
>> accounts with the same "name" but different leaves of the tree so you
>> don't see the problem. The developers put Imbalance at the top level of
>> the tree precisely because that would be unique (could only be one).
>>
>> Michael D Novack
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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[David Carlson]

As David pointed out in his very first post of the other thread. GnuCash
has removed an existing function without warning.  Some of us use it and
want it back.

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 3:40 PM Michael or Penny Novack <
stepbystepf...@comcast.net> wrote:

> On 6/2/2021 2:27 PM, D. via gnucash-user wrote:
> > The discussion about the location of Imbalance-XXX accounts is under a
> different thread, and I explained there my reasons for my account structure
> and Gnucash's previous implementation. Suffice to say that I'd rather keep
> Imbalance-USD around (since it will get created all over again), but put it
> in the location of MY choosing.
>
> The "location" of an account is, in effect, part of its name, its full
> name. You could have half a dozen accounts with the "name" Imbalance as
> long as each was a different leaf of the tree (location in the CoA). How
> do you propose gnucash to "know" WHICH of these you intend to be used as
> the account to use for imbalance situations?
>
> What you are asking form in effect, is the ability to specify an account
> to be used for the purpose.
>
> I know you are thinking, just look for a leaf with name Imbalance. That
> could work IF gnucash reserved the name, disallowed you creating an
> account with that name. Account names in gnucash do NOT have to be
> unique/distinct.  Is it the case that in your own books you do not have
> accounts with the same "name" but different leaves of the tree so you
> don't see the problem. The developers put Imbalance at the top level of
> the tree precisely because that would be unique (could only be one).
>
> Michael D Novack
>
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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[Michael or Penny Novack]

On 6/2/2021 2:27 PM, D. via gnucash-user wrote:

The discussion about the location of Imbalance-XXX accounts is under a 
different thread, and I explained there my reasons for my account structure and 
Gnucash's previous implementation. Suffice to say that I'd rather keep 
Imbalance-USD around (since it will get created all over again), but put it in 
the location of MY choosing.


The "location" of an account is, in effect, part of its name, its full 
name. You could have half a dozen accounts with the "name" Imbalance as 
long as each was a different leaf of the tree (location in the CoA). How 
do you propose gnucash to "know" WHICH of these you intend to be used as 
the account to use for imbalance situations?


What you are asking form in effect, is the ability to specify an account 
to be used for the purpose.


I know you are thinking, just look for a leaf with name Imbalance. That 
could work IF gnucash reserved the name, disallowed you creating an 
account with that name. Account names in gnucash do NOT have to be 
unique/distinct.  Is it the case that in your own books you do not have 
accounts with the same "name" but different leaves of the tree so you 
don't see the problem. The developers put Imbalance at the top level of 
the tree precisely because that would be unique (could only be one).


Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[D. via gnucash-user]

The discussion about the location of Imbalance-XXX accounts is under a 
different thread, and I explained there my reasons for my account structure and 
Gnucash's previous implementation. Suffice to say that I'd rather keep 
Imbalance-USD around (since it will get created all over again), but put it in 
the location of MY choosing. 


 Original Message 
From: "w...@theprescotts.com" 
Sent: Wed Jun 02 13:37:34 EDT 2021
To: GnuCash Users 
Subject: Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

I am just an uninterested observer of this discussion of the location of the 
Imbalance account(s). It has never bothered me. But Michael's suggestion seems 
like a good one for those that are bothered by it. Then if the account appears, 
you know there are some unbalanced transactions. If there are none, you don't 
have to look at the account on the list.

Will

On 2021 Jun 2, at 06-02 11:25:39, Michael Hendry  
wrote:

Why not simply delete the Imbalance and Orphan accounts when you’ve sorted out 
the problem and zeroed their contents - they’ll be created automatically if 
required.

Michael

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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[D. via gnucash-user]

Why delete an account that's only going to get created again? 


 Original Message 
From: Michael Hendry 
Sent: Wed Jun 02 12:25:39 EDT 2021
To: Peter West 
Cc: GnuCash users group 
Subject: Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

> On 2 Jun 2021, at 02:44, Peter West  wrote:
> 
> I’m a fairly naive user, but I find the Imbalance-XXX and Orphan-XXX accounts 
> (at top level in my CoA) extremely useful, and I understand why they are 
> there. If I ever see a balance, I know I have to fix something, which is a 
> good reason to have them at the top. I can’t comment on any changes that 
> might have occurred in the behaviour of these accounts recently. However, in 
> respect of the tidiness of the CoA, one possible solution is to create a 
> special case for these accounts, such that they only display in the CoA 
> listing when they have a non-zero balance.
> 
> Peter


Why not simply delete the Imbalance and Orphan accounts when you’ve sorted out 
the problem and zeroed their contents - they’ll be created automatically if 
required.

Michael

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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[w...@theprescotts.com]

I am just an uninterested observer of this discussion of the location of the 
Imbalance account(s). It has never bothered me. But Michael's suggestion seems 
like a good one for those that are bothered by it. Then if the account appears, 
you know there are some unbalanced transactions. If there are none, you don't 
have to look at the account on the list.

Will

On 2021 Jun 2, at 06-02 11:25:39, Michael Hendry  
wrote:

Why not simply delete the Imbalance and Orphan accounts when you’ve sorted out 
the problem and zeroed their contents - they’ll be created automatically if 
required.

Michael

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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[Michael Hendry]

> On 2 Jun 2021, at 02:44, Peter West  wrote:
> 
> I’m a fairly naive user, but I find the Imbalance-XXX and Orphan-XXX accounts 
> (at top level in my CoA) extremely useful, and I understand why they are 
> there. If I ever see a balance, I know I have to fix something, which is a 
> good reason to have them at the top. I can’t comment on any changes that 
> might have occurred in the behaviour of these accounts recently. However, in 
> respect of the tidiness of the CoA, one possible solution is to create a 
> special case for these accounts, such that they only display in the CoA 
> listing when they have a non-zero balance.
> 
> Peter


Why not simply delete the Imbalance and Orphan accounts when you’ve sorted out 
the problem and zeroed their contents - they’ll be created automatically if 
required.

Michael

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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[Peter West]

That’s a global setting though.

Peter
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Peter West
p...@ehealth.id.au
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never enter the kingdom of heaven.”

> On 2 Jun 2021, at 12:52 pm, D. via gnucash-user  
> wrote:
> 
> Of course, you can suppress zero balance accounts in the View menu, if that's 
> your preference...
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> From: David Cousens 
> Sent: Tue Jun 01 18:46:57 EDT 2021
> To: John Morris , Gnucash Users 
> 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS
> 
> John,
> 
> I agree. There is a case for not displaying the Imbalance accounts in the CoA
> tab if there are no entries to them, i.e. they are zero balance. This is an
> option in reports but not in the account tab. They can of course be left in 
> the
> CoA and hidden in the Account tab by editing the account and setting the 
> hidden
> flag but they then remain hidden even when new entries to them are created.
> 
> I would go further and hide them totally if the balance in them was zero and
> change either the background or the font color to a bright red or even 
> flashing
> red( that would clearly need to be optional) to  highlight them when they are
> present with a non-zero balance. 
> 
> Their usefulness to indicate incorrect entries would be enhanced if they are
> hidden when the balance is zero as their presence whether highlighted or not
> indicates an error.  Similarly with the orphan transactions created when an
> account with existing transactions to it has been deleted without moving the
> transactions to another account.
> 
> I would take a look at it but I am currently heavily involved in a physics
> project programming exercise at the moment. The change in behaviour from the
> previous version probably needs to be tracked down and, where possible fixed
> first, before adding any further enhancements to minimize conflicting changes.
> 
> David Cousens
> 
> On Tue, 2021-06-01 at 18:10 -0400, John Morris wrote:
>>> Actually you are given the opportunity to fix it during entry. When the
>>> Imbalance account appears in a transaction in the account column, all you
>>> have to do is click on it in the Account column and assign the correct
>>> account from the drop down list, before closing (pressing Enter) the
>>> transaction.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, by then the damage is already done. The Imbalance account has
>> been created and I must go and delete it yet again. I don’t like extra
>> accounts cluttering up my carefully designed CoA.
>> 
>> Best,
>> John
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