Re: [GNC] clearing reconciled transactions

[Mahon Finbar]

Ditto here, I haven't found any way in Gnu of 'marking' text for delete. 
Probably a good idea, the forensic accountants on here would never 
accept it🙁


Also ditto for the page at a time proposal. It is a complete bummer when 
you reconcile a biggish sequence of transactions and find you are ££$$€€ 
off..


On 02/12/2021 22:01, Liz Dodd wrote:

Contrary to everyone else, I just cancel the reconcilation and restart.

When I have multiple pages for the one account I find it easier to
reconcile each page separately, because if I have large numbers of
transactions it is harder to locate any errors.

Liz
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Re: [GNC] Ubuntu binary fairly dated

[Dr. David Kirkby]

On Wed, 1 Dec 2021 at 15:48, Chris Green  wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 03:30:02PM +, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
> > I should have added, the particular distribution of Ubuntu I am using is
> > 20.04 LTS, which installs GnuCash 3.8, which was released almost 2 years
> > ago.
> >
> Which makes absolute sense of course because Ubuntu 20.04 LTS was
> released in April 2020 which is getting on for two years ago now.
> Plus the LTS editions of Ubuntu are aimed at being solid, tested and
> stable so they tend to be conservative in their choices of software
> versions.
>
> Once a version has been chosen for a particular release of Ubuntu that
> version remains unchanged for the life of the Ubuntu release.
> Security and bug fixes will be done but that's all.
>
> If you want latest (or at least later) versions of software you need
> to either upgrade the Ubuntu version you're using, and keep upgrading
> with the 6 monthly regular release or (not my preference) install an
> appimage or a flatpack (you can get GnuCash Flatpacks from the web
> site).
>
> By the way it's fairly easy and reliable (in my experience anyway) to
> upgrade Ubuntu versions if you use their offered way of doing it.  I
> have gone through many versions now doing 6 monthly upgrades dating
> back to somewhere like 11.04 or even earlier.  I did do one clean
> install but that was because I did some rather major hardware upgrades
> at the same time.
>
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Re: [GNC] clearing reconciled transactions

[Mahon Finbar]

Oh, does that work? It is a standard MS way of doing it but I never 
tried in Gnucash.


Thanks

On 02/12/2021 17:22, Kalpesh Patel wrote:

Just in case need details, this is what I do:

  


Go to first row and then hold the [shift] key while clicking the last row to
select a range that I want to reconcile. Selected row's display reverses in
color for the range that is in focus. Now I press [space bar] to toggle the
entire selection - note that if I have selected some that are already
reconciled then pressing [space bar] will syncs all of them up to
reconciled. Pressing [space bar] again reverses it from previous setting,
ie, if I press [space bar] twice then I will be back to where I started
originally as it toggles from reconciled to unreconciled state. This is on
Windows platform.

  

  


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Message: 9

Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2021 09:23:40 -0500

From: "Derek Atkins" mailto:de...@ihtfp.com> >

To: "Billie-Internet" mailto:drbb...@gmail.com> >

Cc: "Gnucash Users" mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> >

Subject: Re: [GNC] clearing reconciled transactions

Message-ID:

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Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8

  


Hi,

  


On Thu, December 2, 2021 8:36 am, Billie-Internet wrote:


Good Morning,
My question seems simple but I am probably not searching the right key
words.
Current gnucash 4.4 on windows 10.
When reconciling the checkbook, sometimes I need to clear all the
transactions that are checked and start over.  To this point , I am
unchecking one at a time.
Does anyone know of a way to uncheck all at once?
  


No, but in the reconcile window you can use a combination of [space] and

[down-arrow] to quickly uncheck everything.

  


Thanks,
Billie
706-383-9057
  


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Re: [GNC] Ubuntu binary fairly dated

[Dr. David Kirkby]

On Wed, 1 Dec 2021 at 15:48, Chris Green  wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 03:30:02PM +, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
> > I should have added, the particular distribution of Ubuntu I am using is
> > 20.04 LTS, which installs GnuCash 3.8, which was released almost 2 years
> > ago.
> >
> Which makes absolute sense of course because Ubuntu 20.04 LTS was
> released in April 2020 which is getting on for two years ago now.
> Plus the LTS editions of Ubuntu are aimed at being solid, tested and
> stable so they tend to be conservative in their choices of software
> versions.
>

I apologise for the previous blank email. Is there a single document which
lists the changes for all versions of GnuCash? I don't know whether to
bother upgrading, but if there's an ability to create a quotation and/or
proforma invoice, then I will upgrade.

Dave
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Re: [GNC] read-only accounts

[Mattia Rizzolo]

On Thu, Dec 02, 2021 at 08:33:51PM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote:
> Mark the account as a PlaceHolder account and it'll be read-only.

Oh, that's a nice trick I didn't think of!  Thanks!

Howver, it seems to me that it doesn't fully lock down the account.  If
I tried to change a split belonging to that account from "the other
side", it first nags me about changing a reconciled split, then it
errors out saying that "the account doesn't allow transactions" (because
it's read-only), but it then still proceeds to record the changes,
regardless of the warning.
Is that the expected behaviour?

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Re: [GNC] How to record accrued interest

[Mattia Rizzolo]

Hi Stan!


On Thu, Dec 02, 2021 at 01:35:35PM -0800, Stan Brown wrote:
> I think you have done it exactly right!(*) Here interest is paid
> monthly, as it's accrued, so I don't have your exact issue. But banks
> often give rebates on credit-card purchases, and I record those the same
> way you are recording interest.
> 
> One suggestion: Rather than AccountsReceivable:EUR, you might think
> about AccountsReceivable:Bank1. That way if you are owed money by some
> other bank, or a refund from a taxing authority, you could put that into
> AccountsReceivable:{name of other agency}.


Thanks for confirming!

So I went ahead and moved those transactions to A:AR:Bank1 (and
L:AP:Bank2 for the interest I'll have to pay).  It does "look" correct
to me as well, so guess I'll go this way! ^^

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Re: [GNC] clearing reconciled transactions

[paul]

Actually, I'm pretty sure it's part of IBM's 1987 "Common User Access",
which is the source of most of what we all take for granted about user
interfaces in general. Everything from the File and Edit menus, through F5
for refresh, to the Cut/Copy/Paste keyboard shortcuts all are defined there.
I have an original copy of the publication in my (very small and informal)
computer museum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Common_User_Access

Of course, many of those in turn originate from Apple Lisa and Mac, WordStar
and even the 1972 AES-90 word processor.  

Paul

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Subject: Re: [GNC] clearing reconciled transactions

Oh, does that work? It is a standard MS way of doing it but I never tried in
Gnucash.

Thanks

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Re: [GNC] Ubuntu binary fairly dated

[Chris Green]

On Fri, Dec 03, 2021 at 02:12:04PM +, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Dec 2021 at 15:48, Chris Green  wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 03:30:02PM +, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
> > > I should have added, the particular distribution of Ubuntu I am using is
> > > 20.04 LTS, which installs GnuCash 3.8, which was released almost 2 years
> > > ago.
> > >
> > Which makes absolute sense of course because Ubuntu 20.04 LTS was
> > released in April 2020 which is getting on for two years ago now.
> > Plus the LTS editions of Ubuntu are aimed at being solid, tested and
> > stable so they tend to be conservative in their choices of software
> > versions.
> >
> 
> I apologise for the previous blank email. Is there a single document which
> lists the changes for all versions of GnuCash? I don't know whether to
> bother upgrading, but if there's an ability to create a quotation and/or
> proforma invoice, then I will upgrade.
> 
A search for 'Gnucash "release notes"' doesn't produce anything very
useful so I suspect there may not be an easy way to find out the major
changes through the various versions.

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Re: [GNC] read-only accounts

[Derek Atkins]

HI,

On Fri, December 3, 2021 9:17 am, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 02, 2021 at 08:33:51PM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote:
>> Mark the account as a PlaceHolder account and it'll be read-only.
>
> Oh, that's a nice trick I didn't think of!  Thanks!
>
> Howver, it seems to me that it doesn't fully lock down the account.  If
> I tried to change a split belonging to that account from "the other
> side", it first nags me about changing a reconciled split, then it
> errors out saying that "the account doesn't allow transactions" (because
> it's read-only), but it then still proceeds to record the changes,
> regardless of the warning.
> Is that the expected behaviour?

Yes.

GnuCash told you "don't do that" but you did it anyways.

-derek

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Re: [GNC] read-only accounts

[Glenn Fowler]

Hi,

What about just making the file read only with no write permission?

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 9:17 AM Mattia Rizzolo  wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 02, 2021 at 08:33:51PM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote:
> > Mark the account as a PlaceHolder account and it'll be read-only.
>
> Oh, that's a nice trick I didn't think of!  Thanks!
>
> Howver, it seems to me that it doesn't fully lock down the account.  If
> I tried to change a split belonging to that account from "the other
> side", it first nags me about changing a reconciled split, then it
> errors out saying that "the account doesn't allow transactions" (because
> it's read-only), but it then still proceeds to record the changes,
> regardless of the warning.
> Is that the expected behaviour?
>
> --
> regards,
> Mattia Rizzolo
>
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Re: [GNC] Ubuntu binary fairly dated

[David Carlson]

Actually the News page  contains a fairly
accurate history of the changes in each release.

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 8:33 AM Chris Green  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 03, 2021 at 02:12:04PM +, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
> > On Wed, 1 Dec 2021 at 15:48, Chris Green  wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 03:30:02PM +, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
> > > > I should have added, the particular distribution of Ubuntu I am
> using is
> > > > 20.04 LTS, which installs GnuCash 3.8, which was released almost 2
> years
> > > > ago.
> > > >
> > > Which makes absolute sense of course because Ubuntu 20.04 LTS was
> > > released in April 2020 which is getting on for two years ago now.
> > > Plus the LTS editions of Ubuntu are aimed at being solid, tested and
> > > stable so they tend to be conservative in their choices of software
> > > versions.
> > >
> >
> > I apologise for the previous blank email. Is there a single document
> which
> > lists the changes for all versions of GnuCash? I don't know whether to
> > bother upgrading, but if there's an ability to create a quotation and/or
> > proforma invoice, then I will upgrade.
> >
> A search for 'Gnucash "release notes"' doesn't produce anything very
> useful so I suspect there may not be an easy way to find out the major
> changes through the various versions.
>
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Re: [GNC] Ubuntu binary fairly dated

[Chris Green]

On Fri, Dec 03, 2021 at 10:20:49AM -0600, David Carlson wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 8:33 AM Chris Green  wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Dec 03, 2021 at 02:12:04PM +, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
> > > On Wed, 1 Dec 2021 at 15:48, Chris Green  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 03:30:02PM +, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
> > > > > I should have added, the particular distribution of Ubuntu I am
> > using is
> > > > > 20.04 LTS, which installs GnuCash 3.8, which was released almost 2
> > years
> > > > > ago.
> > > > >
> > > > Which makes absolute sense of course because Ubuntu 20.04 LTS was
> > > > released in April 2020 which is getting on for two years ago now.
> > > > Plus the LTS editions of Ubuntu are aimed at being solid, tested and
> > > > stable so they tend to be conservative in their choices of software
> > > > versions.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I apologise for the previous blank email. Is there a single document
> > which
> > > lists the changes for all versions of GnuCash? I don't know whether to
> > > bother upgrading, but if there's an ability to create a quotation and/or
> > > proforma invoice, then I will upgrade.
> > >
> > A search for 'Gnucash "release notes"' doesn't produce anything very
> > useful so I suspect there may not be an easy way to find out the major
> > changes through the various versions.
> >
> Actually the News page  contains a fairly
> accurate history of the changes in each release.
> 
Yes, it does, I just couldn't find it looking for "Release Notes".

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Re: [GNC] read-only accounts

[Michael or Penny Novack]

On 12/3/2021 10:27 AM, Glenn Fowler wrote:

Hi,

What about just making the file read only with no write permission?

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 9:17 AM Mattia Rizzolo  wrote:


THAT is looking in the right direction. If you want to "freeze" the 
books as of a certain state make a copy of the file that is "read only". 
You could use the Julian date in the name you give this file so you can 
tell it apart from "freezes" made at other times.


Can be done with permissions (but that CAN be overridden) or making that 
copy to medium that is "write once/read many" like burning to a DVD..


Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] Ubuntu binary fairly dated

[Dr. David Kirkby]

On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 at 16:20, David Carlson 
wrote:

> Actually the News page  contains a fairly
> accurate history of the changes in each release.
>

Thank you. There are a huge number of changes. I've just downloaded the
Windows version, and will look at recompiling the latest version version on
Linux. At least I should be able to move a file between windows and Linux -
I assume that saving a version in 4.x, then trying to read that in 3.x,
might well cause a problem.
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Re: [GNC] clearing reconciled transactions

[Kalpesh Patel]

Not only range selection operation with [shift] key work, so does the [ctrl]
key operation where you can select items in random order albeit limited to
only RH or LH pane across multiple pages/screens does as well. And then you
can follow it up with [space bar] to change status of all those selected
transaction via either means in aggregate.

 

Not only that but if you went to the Reconcile window via account register
window (this is the means by which how I go there; other means should work
as well), and if you double click an item in the Reconcile window, it will
jump to that item in the register so you can review that specific
transaction. While double clicking in the Register window to jumps to that
item in the register, if you hold [shift] or [ctrl] it will keep the
selected items intact while reversing the item that was double clicked and
jumping to that transaction in the register window - trifecta in one. 

 

Experimenting is your friend.

 

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Message: 12

Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 13:29:54 +0100

From: Mahon Finbar 

To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org

Subject: Re: [GNC] clearing reconciled transactions

Message-ID: 

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

 

Oh, does that work? It is a standard MS way of doing it but I never tried in
Gnucash.

 

Thanks

 

On 02/12/2021 17:22, Kalpesh Patel wrote:

> Just in case need details, this is what I do:

> 

>   

> 

> Go to first row and then hold the [shift] key while clicking the last 

> row to select a range that I want to reconcile. Selected row's display 

> reverses in color for the range that is in focus. Now I press [space 

> bar] to toggle the entire selection - note that if I have selected 

> some that are already reconciled then pressing [space bar] will syncs 

> all of them up to reconciled. Pressing [space bar] again reverses it 

> from previous setting, ie, if I press [space bar] twice then I will be 

> back to where I started originally as it toggles from reconciled to 

> unreconciled state. This is on Windows platform.

> 

>   

> 

>   

> 

> --

> 

>   

> 

> Message: 9

> 

> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2021 09:23:40 -0500

> 

> From: "Derek Atkins" mailto:de...@ihtfp.com> >

> 

> To: "Billie-Internet" mailto:drbb...@gmail.com> >

> 

> Cc: "Gnucash Users"   >

> 

> Subject: Re: [GNC] clearing reconciled transactions

> 

> Message-ID:

> 

>  

>   >

> 

> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8

> 

>   

> 

> Hi,

> 

>   

> 

> On Thu, December 2, 2021 8:36 am, Billie-Internet wrote:

> 

>> Good Morning,

>> My question seems simple but I am probably not searching the right 

>> key words.

>> Current gnucash 4.4 on windows 10.

>> When reconciling the checkbook, sometimes I need to clear all the 

>> transactions that are checked and start over.  To this point , I am 

>> unchecking one at a time.

>> Does anyone know of a way to uncheck all at once?

>   

> 

> No, but in the reconcile window you can use a combination of [space] 

> and

> 

> [down-arrow] to quickly uncheck everything.

> 

>   

> 

>> Thanks,

>> Billie

>> 706-383-9057

>   

> 

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>   

> 

> -derek

> 

>   

> 

 

 

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Re: [GNC] read-only accounts

[Mattia Rizzolo]

On Fri, Dec 03, 2021 at 11:50:11AM -0500, Michael or Penny Novack wrote:
> On 12/3/2021 10:27 AM, Glenn Fowler wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > What about just making the file read only with no write permission?
> > 
> > On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 9:17 AM Mattia Rizzolo  wrote:
> 
> THAT is looking in the right direction. If you want to "freeze" the books as
> of a certain state make a copy of the file that is "read only". You could
> use the Julian date in the name you give this file so you can tell it apart
> from "freezes" made at other times.


Oh, reading it again my mail I noticed I wrote "I reconciled the whole
book" - apologies, that wasn't what I meant.  I accidentally typed
"book" instead of "account".


I'm really only referring to a single account across the whole book,
that is still otherwise in active use.


You can see it similarly to when you close a bank account or a credit
card: you totally want to keep it around, but you don't want to touch
the transactions involved with it anymore.
In those cases, do you just go on with life hoping you're not going to
mess with it?

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Re: [GNC] clearing reconciled transactions

[Kalpesh Patel]

Might be slightly simpler way to do it -

 

Do normal work flows other than reconcile, save the file, turn off auto save
of the file and then you can do your reconciling and if you have cold feet
then you can exit GNC without saving the file. Next time you open GNC it
will put you back to place where it saved last. This works for any type of
transactions that you want to "check" before committing to live file.

 

Don't forget to enable auto save again .

 

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Message: 3

Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2021 10:33:51 -0500

From: Michael or Penny Novack mailto:stepbystepf...@comcast.net> >

To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org  

Subject: Re: [GNC] clearing reconciled transactions

Message-ID: <029268a3-d214-9f3e-b64b-1ff3bff25...@comcast.net
 >

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

 

On 12/2/2021 8:36 AM, Billie-Internet wrote:

> Good Morning,

> My question seems simple but I am probably not searching the right key 

> words.

> 

> Current gnucash 4.4 on windows 10.

> 

> When reconciling the checkbook, sometimes I need to clear all the 

> transactions that are checked and start over.  To this point , I am 

> unchecking one at a time.

> Does anyone know of a way to uncheck all at once?

> Thanks,

 

Well there IS a way, but you are probably not going to like it. I would
suggest it only if this is a frequent problem << like if when doing
reconciliation, you are often having to redo a couple times till you get it
right >> It is the GENERAL method of backing out changes.

 

Immediately before beginning reconciliation do a save. Make a "checkpoint"
copy of the file with a slightly different name (I usually do something like
append a "q"). Proceed with the reconciliation process. If you find that you
had to abort, close, delete the file,? 

copy back the "checkpoint" one (don't forget to also rename it back) and try
again << remember, that "checkpoint" was made just before you reconciled
anything. When you are done reconciling correctly, delete that "checkpoint"
back-up copy. >>

 

This is just a special case of how to prepare to back-out some change in
advance of the change.

 

Michael D Novack

 

 

 

 

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[GNC] Can I make a customer a vendor too, without manual reentry?

[Dr. David Kirkby]

I have a few customers from whom I buy from too, so they are *both a
customer and a vendor*. Is there any way of handling this, except by
manually entering the same data twice?
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Re: [GNC] read-only accounts

[Adrien Monteleone]

Maybe the warning could be more helpful. (via a more accurate description)

If the issue involves affecting a placeholder account that shouldn't be 
edited, and *not* just the editing of a reconciled transaction, the 
warning should inform the user this is the case. (or maybe the register 
should show some special designation for placeholder accounts, so the 
user would catch this at a glance)


While the rules around the reconciled warning have been relaxed, there 
are times where editing them is acceptable, but without remembering 
which accounts were marked placeholders, this incomplete warning can 
result in 'unexpected' behavior.


Though I'll concede this particular case still at least prevents 
'inadvertent' editing since you have to dismiss the warning.


Regards,
Adrien

On 12/3/21 8:37 AM, Derek Atkins wrote:

HI,

On Fri, December 3, 2021 9:17 am, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:

On Thu, Dec 02, 2021 at 08:33:51PM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote:

Mark the account as a PlaceHolder account and it'll be read-only.


Oh, that's a nice trick I didn't think of!  Thanks!

Howver, it seems to me that it doesn't fully lock down the account.  If
I tried to change a split belonging to that account from "the other
side", it first nags me about changing a reconciled split, then it
errors out saying that "the account doesn't allow transactions" (because
it's read-only), but it then still proceeds to record the changes,
regardless of the warning.
Is that the expected behaviour?


Yes.

GnuCash told you "don't do that" but you did it anyways.

-derek



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Re: [GNC] read-only accounts

[Adrien Monteleone]

I forgot to mention that if it errors out due to a read-only condition, 
but *still* changes the data, that would be a bug. Either it is 
read-only, or it is not.


Regards,
Adrien

On 12/3/21 8:37 AM, Derek Atkins wrote:

HI,

On Fri, December 3, 2021 9:17 am, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:

On Thu, Dec 02, 2021 at 08:33:51PM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote:

Mark the account as a PlaceHolder account and it'll be read-only.


Oh, that's a nice trick I didn't think of!  Thanks!

Howver, it seems to me that it doesn't fully lock down the account.  If
I tried to change a split belonging to that account from "the other
side", it first nags me about changing a reconciled split, then it
errors out saying that "the account doesn't allow transactions" (because
it's read-only), but it then still proceeds to record the changes,
regardless of the warning.
Is that the expected behaviour?


Yes.

GnuCash told you "don't do that" but you did it anyways.

-derek



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Re: [GNC] read-only accounts

[Adrien Monteleone]

Maybe slow down and be careful when editing transactions?

And as you pointed out, they are reconciled, so you get a warning that 
helps you slow down. That can help prevent 'inadvertent' edits, but it 
won't stop a deliberate change. (as you discovered)


Regards,
Adrien

On 12/3/21 11:43 AM, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:

You can see it similarly to when you close a bank account or a credit
card: you totally want to keep it around, but you don't want to touch
the transactions involved with it anymore.
In those cases, do you just go on with life hoping you're not going to
mess with it?


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Re: [GNC] read-only accounts

[Derek Atkins]

Adrien,

On Fri, December 3, 2021 1:24 pm, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> I forgot to mention that if it errors out due to a read-only condition,
> but *still* changes the data, that would be a bug. Either it is
> read-only, or it is not.

Technically, I don't think "placeholder" is fully read-only.  It will warn
you if you open the account, and it will prevent you entering transactions
in the account.  But I don't think it is designed to (or will) prevent
modification of entries in the account.

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Re: [GNC] Can I make a customer a vendor too, without manual reentry?

[Adrien Monteleone]

Yes, customers can be vendors, and the reverse, but no, those two 
'accounts' are not linked.


There are ways to accomplish certain AP/AR cross-overs, but I think the 
Business Logic doesn't allow them to be easily mixed. (as of v4.8) 
You'll have to do some manual transactions, likely with some contra 
accounts, to clean things up.


Can you provide a particular scenario? We may be able to help with 
example transactions to accomplish the task.


Regards,
Adrien

On 12/3/21 11:53 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:

I have a few customers from whom I buy from too, so they are *both a
customer and a vendor*. Is there any way of handling this, except by
manually entering the same data twice?


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Re: [GNC] Quotes or Proforma Bills and Invoices (was Re: Ubuntu binary fairly dated)

[Adrien Monteleone]

I recall this being discussed a few months ago. I think it was going to 
be a relatively minor change in terminology rather than functionality.


I haven't noticed if this change was implemented yet because I rarely 
have a need for holding an un-posted status, but until then:


Essentially, an un-posted bill/invoice is the same as a quote/proforma.

Regards,
Adrien

On 12/3/21 8:12 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:

I apologise for the previous blank email. Is there a single document which
lists the changes for all versions of GnuCash? I don't know whether to
bother upgrading, but if there's an ability to create a quotation and/or
proforma invoice, then I will upgrade.

Dave


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Re: [GNC] Ubuntu binary fairly dated

[Adrien Monteleone]

The Wiki section on upgrading should help you with compatibility.

For a few major releases now, the policy is that the last minor release 
of a series will be able to read a file from the next major release.


So whatever the last 3.x was, *should* be able to read a 4.x file. But 
if there is no reason to not upgrade all machines to the one that 
matches, the file, I'd just go ahead and do so.


Regards,
Adrien

On 12/3/21 10:52 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:

Thank you. There are a huge number of changes. I've just downloaded the
Windows version, and will look at recompiling the latest version version on
Linux. At least I should be able to move a file between windows and Linux -
I assume that saving a version in 4.x, then trying to read that in 3.x,
might well cause a problem.


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Re: [GNC] read-only accounts

[Adrien Monteleone]

On 12/3/21 12:31 PM, Derek Atkins wrote:

Technically, I don't think "placeholder" is fully read-only.  It will warn
you if you open the account, and it will prevent you entering transactions
in the account.  But I don't think it is designed to (or will) prevent
modification of entries in the account.

-derek


Maybe I read Mattia's comment wrong, but it appeared that despite the 
warning, and *not* choosing to commit the edit, the edit was happening 
anyway.


Regards,
Adrien

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Re: [GNC] Can I make a customer a vendor too, without manual reentry?

[davidcousens49]

It is possible to import customer and vendor information separately from a
single text file( although there is no export facility at present for this
information which would simplify doing this). For dual customer/vendor you could
import the same data both as a customer and as a vendor.

David Cousens


On Fri, 2021-12-03 at 17:53 +, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
> I have a few customers from whom I buy from too, so they are *both a
> customer and a vendor*. Is there any way of handling this, except by
> manually entering the same data twice?
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Re: [GNC] Can I make a customer a vendor too, without manual reentry?

[Dr. David Kirkby]

On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 at 19:01,  wrote:

> It is possible to import customer and vendor information separately from a
> single text file( although there is no export facility at present for this
> information which would simplify doing this). For dual customer/vendor you
> could
> import the same data both as a customer and as a vendor.
>
> David Cousens
>

Thank you. I don't have enough customers/vendors to make that worth the
while. I'll just manually copy them over. It's less than 10 companies, so
the fact it only has to be done once, does not make it much of a burden.

Dave
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Re: [GNC] Ubuntu binary fairly dated

[Dr. David Kirkby]

On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 at 18:39, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> The Wiki section on upgrading should help you with compatibility.
>
> For a few major releases now, the policy is that the last minor release
> of a series will be able to read a file from the next major release.
>
> So whatever the last 3.x was, *should* be able to read a 4.x file. But
> if there is no reason to not upgrade all machines to the one that
> matches, the file, I'd just go ahead and do so.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>

It depends on the effort to recompile on Linux. If building on linux is
relatively painless, then I will upgrade if I decide to use the software -
I'm still a bit undecided on that.

Dave

>
> On 12/3/21 10:52 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
> > Thank you. There are a huge number of changes. I've just downloaded the
> > Windows version, and will look at recompiling the latest version version
> on
> > Linux. At least I should be able to move a file between windows and
> Linux -
> > I assume that saving a version in 4.x, then trying to read that in 3.x,
> > might well cause a problem.
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Re: [GNC] CSV Import Reconciled field

[Kalpesh Patel]

I joined up later in the 3.X releases so likely missed the earlier notes and 
didn’t go in the past version to catch-up on it. 

 

I also was looking for much easier way to import, similar to importing bank 
debit/credit transactions, as my format looks like this:

 


Date

Investment

Transaction Type

Amount

Shares/Unit


4/28/2020

JPM EQUITY INCOME R6

DIVIDEND

3.23

0.2


4/2/2020

JPM EQUITY INCOME R6

REALIZED G/L

-0.36

0


4/2/2020

JPM EQUITY INCOME R6

ADVISOR / CONSULTANT FEE

-1.66

-0.116


3/13/2020

JPM EQUITY INCOME R6

CONTRIBUTION

53.96

   3.448


 

 

 

 

 

 

But I assume that I am not going to succeed without some preprocessing to get 
aligned what csv importer is expecting.

 

From: David Carlson  
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 1:00 PM
To: Kalpesh Patel 
Cc: Ove Grunnér ; Gnucash Users 
Subject: Re: [GNC] CSV Import Reconciled field

 

Kalpesh,

 

When the CSV importer was upgraded early in the release 3.x series, it was 
intended to work with investment transactions.  It is designed to import the 
majority of variations available in split transactions with more than two 
splits.  

 

I am starting to test it with my investment accounts in release 3.8 in Ubuntu, 
and finding that I need to do some fine tuning, but I need to do more testing 
for my case.  However, I think that the reconciliation flag code may be working 
in that release, but I simply accepted the standard treatment. 

 

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 11:31 AM Kalpesh Patel mailto:kalpesh.pa...@usa.net> > wrote:

Hi Ove - 



I was curious what types of Stock Transactions you are importing properly
via CSV format into GNC.



I was under the belief that purchase/sale of securities/commodities was not
supported via CSV import process in GNC (or I was mistaken) so if it is
possible then I wouldn't mind learning how to accomplish that.



I have always fallen back with QIF import for importing stocks/securities
transactions if OFX/QFX isn't supported by the broker as QIF format provided
much better control of transactions being imported. I can also export from
Quicken, manipulate, and then import to keep GNC up-to-date if need be.



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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 09:00:35 -0600

From: David Carlson mailto:david.carlson@gmail.com> 
 > >

To: Ove Grunn?r mailto:write2...@gmail.com>  
 > >

Cc: gnucash-user mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>  
 >
>

Subject: Re: [GNC] CSV Import Reconciled field

Message-ID:


mailto:cadygsbk2db66tmfy_nuec%2bytnfdjjvrvpiqxjpisyaobtx0...@mail.gmail.com> 
 >
>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"



Hello Ove,



Your procedure is very creative and I hope we can solve your problem.  I
believe that the CSV importer should respect the desired state of the
reconciliation flag, so the fact that it does not is a problem in my
opinion.



First, your problem may be the result of a recent bug in the CSV import that
may or may not be resolved in the current GnuCash release 4.8.

However, to help track it down, please tell us what release you are using,
your operating system, and the installation type(e.g. Distro, Flatpak,

compiled) .



Second, technically, credit cards are always considered to be liabilities in
accounting applications.  I realize that you are not following technically
correct accounting procedures, and your procedure works for you (at least it
did earlier), but you may run into problems if you try to balance bank
account payments against credit card bills later.  Thus, I suggest trying to
modify your procedure to follow accounting conventions.



We look forward to hearing from you.







On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 6:19 AM Ove Grunn?r mailto:write2...@gmail.com> 
 > > wrote:



>  Hello, all

> 

> I am in the process of changing from QIF import to CSV import of data 

> and have encountered a difference in the functionality that I am 

> trying to understand better in order to make it compatible with my own 

> process, or change my own process to suit the functionality.

> 

> 

> My Account Structure is in principle:

> 

> Asset:Credit Card

> Asset:Card Receipts

> Expenses:Various Expense accounts

> 

> 

> My process to date have been to Scan all receipts and based on the 

> file names of each receipt, [ e.g. 20211231_VISA 

> CARD_09.99_EUR_Place of Sale_Category or Transfer Account_Note ] I 

> then generate a QIF file and import all receipts this way to [Asset:Card
Receipts] in gnucash.

> 

> For bank and credit card statements I have then converted the 

> statements I download from Online to QIF format, a

Re: [GNC] Quotes or Proforma Bills and Invoices (was Re: Ubuntu binary fairly dated)

[Dr. David Kirkby]

On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 at 18:37, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> I recall this being discussed a few months ago. I think it was going to
> be a relatively minor change in terminology rather than functionality.
>
> I haven't noticed if this change was implemented yet because I rarely
> have a need for holding an un-posted status, but until then:
>
> Essentially, an un-posted bill/invoice is the same as a quote/proforma.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>

The dates of a quotation are likely to be different to that of an invoice.
The terms and conditions are likely to be different. The title at the top
will of course be different. I think there are sufficient differences
between the quote and the invoice that it would be nice to separate the
two.

Dave
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Re: [GNC] Ubuntu binary fairly dated

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Hi David,

Am 03.12.21 um 20:20 schrieb Dr. David Kirkby:
> It depends on the effort to recompile on Linux. If building on linux is
> relatively painless, then I will upgrade if I decide to use the software -
> I'm still a bit undecided on that.

for people uncomfortable with building on linux we offer FlatPaks
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Flatpak

Regards
Frank
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[GNC] Subject: Re: Ubuntu binary fairly dated

[Mike Brady]

Have been following this thread because I use Linux Mint, which is based 
on the LTS version of Ubuntu. Yes, the GnuCash version in the Ubuntu LTS 
repository is way out of date (3.8). I'm out of date, even on Windows 
(3.10 in one machine, 4.3 on the other), mainly due to laziness about 
chasing down latest versions and wariness about file compatibility, plus 
wanting to maintain compatibility with the LInux machine. So far, that's 
worked. But it would be nice to have everything, at least briefly, on 
the same version. I've built my own before, for other software, but I'd 
rather not.


Anyway, for the Linux side, I wonder why the repository version must be 
frozen, or if there's a workaround other than using Flatpack (which I've 
had problems with as a platform). Libreoffice, Firefox, and Thunderbird 
seem to be able to work around it, and their Linux versions update to 
match the Windows version within a week (usually only a day or 2) of the 
Windows release. Not sure how they're doing it, but it might be 
worthwhile for GNC to try it - perhaps a separate PPA? Since Linux is 
polite enough to ask before updating, those who don't want to update can 
easily block it.


-Mike Brady
 Plain Old User

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Re: [GNC] Subject: Re: Ubuntu binary fairly dated

[davidcousens49]

The barrier Mike is someone with the time and energy to maintain a ppa. The
reason Linux Mint (and other distros) freeze the versions they use is to reduce
their workload to maneagable proportions and to ensure that versions of other
software  included witha n OS release will at least work with that release and
libraries included in the release.

Building on Linux is not too onerous once you have the header files for the
dependencies loaded and the basic build requirements setup. The build
instructions in the wiki are pretty complete. The build procedure includes
checks on the dpeendencies which stop the build if a dependency is missing to
allow it to be fixed before restarting. A number of people have put scripts up
which will load the dependencies although these can become dated reasonably
quickly as newer GC versions can have dependencies on updated libraries that a
given script may not install.

David Cousens


On Fri, 2021-12-03 at 13:19 -0800, Mike Brady wrote:
> Have been following this thread because I use Linux Mint, which is based 
> on the LTS version of Ubuntu. Yes, the GnuCash version in the Ubuntu LTS 
> repository is way out of date (3.8). I'm out of date, even on Windows 
> (3.10 in one machine, 4.3 on the other), mainly due to laziness about 
> chasing down latest versions and wariness about file compatibility, plus 
> wanting to maintain compatibility with the LInux machine. So far, that's 
> worked. But it would be nice to have everything, at least briefly, on 
> the same version. I've built my own before, for other software, but I'd 
> rather not.
> 
> Anyway, for the Linux side, I wonder why the repository version must be 
> frozen, or if there's a workaround other than using Flatpack (which I've 
> had problems with as a platform). Libreoffice, Firefox, and Thunderbird 
> seem to be able to work around it, and their Linux versions update to 
> match the Windows version within a week (usually only a day or 2) of the 
> Windows release. Not sure how they're doing it, but it might be 
> worthwhile for GNC to try it - perhaps a separate PPA? Since Linux is 
> polite enough to ask before updating, those who don't want to update can 
> easily block it.
> 
> -Mike Brady
>   Plain Old User
> 
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Re: [GNC] Backports in Ubuntu? was: Ubuntu binary fairly dated

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Hi Mike,

Am 03.12.21 um 22:19 schrieb Mike Brady:
> Have been following this thread because I use Linux Mint, which is based
> on the LTS version of Ubuntu. Yes, the GnuCash version in the Ubuntu LTS
> repository is way out of date (3.8).
:

AFAIK the Ubuntu family is a branch of the Debian family. And Debian has
usually recent GnuCash versions in their Backports repos.
Q1: Offers Ubuntu no backports repos?
If the answer is No, Why?
Perhhaps worth to discuss with the Ubuntu user base?

Regards
Frank
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Re: [GNC] read-only accounts

[D. via gnucash-user]

Adrien, 

Placeholder account registers are displayed as greyed out. While it's not 
necessarily obvious upon first viewing, it becomes clearer when you try to add 
a transaction (and it prevents you).

I do agree with the OP that the way gnucash handles transactions in placeholder 
accounts is very confusing. I've raised this point in the past 
(https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2017-February/040345.html).

Clearly, it's a complicated issue. 

David T.


 Original Message 
From: Adrien Monteleone 
Sent: Fri Dec 03 13:22:58 EST 2021
To: gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] read-only accounts

Maybe the warning could be more helpful. (via a more accurate description)

If the issue involves affecting a placeholder account that shouldn't be 
edited, and *not* just the editing of a reconciled transaction, the 
warning should inform the user this is the case. (or maybe the register 
should show some special designation for placeholder accounts, so the 
user would catch this at a glance)

While the rules around the reconciled warning have been relaxed, there 
are times where editing them is acceptable, but without remembering 
which accounts were marked placeholders, this incomplete warning can 
result in 'unexpected' behavior.

Though I'll concede this particular case still at least prevents 
'inadvertent' editing since you have to dismiss the warning.

Regards,
Adrien

On 12/3/21 8:37 AM, Derek Atkins wrote:
> HI,
> 
> On Fri, December 3, 2021 9:17 am, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 02, 2021 at 08:33:51PM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote:
>>> Mark the account as a PlaceHolder account and it'll be read-only.
>>
>> Oh, that's a nice trick I didn't think of!  Thanks!
>>
>> Howver, it seems to me that it doesn't fully lock down the account.  If
>> I tried to change a split belonging to that account from "the other
>> side", it first nags me about changing a reconciled split, then it
>> errors out saying that "the account doesn't allow transactions" (because
>> it's read-only), but it then still proceeds to record the changes,
>> regardless of the warning.
>> Is that the expected behaviour?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> GnuCash told you "don't do that" but you did it anyways.
> 
> -derek
> 

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Re: [GNC] Backports in Ubuntu? was: Ubuntu binary fairly dated

[Mike Brady]

Thanks. I might look at the Debian repos. But afaik, and as discussed by
others in the thread, it appears that for Ubuntu the app versions are
frozen to the main kernel versions. So unless some other method is used,
we're stuck at 3.8 for Gnucash (for instance) until Mint upgrades or we
can otherwise force a more current kernel version. With Mint, upgrades
seem to happen every 2-3 years, so it's a long time to wait for app updates.

The other apps I mentioned (LibreOffice, Firefox, and Thunderbird) seem
to have a way other than Flatpack to bypass the Ubuntu limitation. I
don't really know how. Otherwise, we have to build from source to get a
newer version; not the most user-friendly method, especially after using
Windows for many years.

-MIke

On 12/3/2021 3:13 PM, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> Am 03.12.21 um 22:19 schrieb Mike Brady:
>> Have been following this thread because I use Linux Mint, which is based
>> on the LTS version of Ubuntu. Yes, the GnuCash version in the Ubuntu LTS
>> repository is way out of date (3.8).
> :
>
> AFAIK the Ubuntu family is a branch of the Debian family. And Debian has
> usually recent GnuCash versions in their Backports repos.
> Q1: Offers Ubuntu no backports repos?
> If the answer is No, Why?
> Perhhaps worth to discuss with the Ubuntu user base?
>
> Regards
> Frank
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Re: [GNC] Backports in Ubuntu? was: Ubuntu binary fairly dated

[brad]

Later versions of Ubuntu are not too far out of date
21.10: 4.4
21.04: 4.4

A month or so ago I was asking a similar question & someone posted a 
script to build it.  See attached (hopefully). It worked for me except 
the location of the binary was a bit confusing.


On 12/3/21 5:24 PM, Mike Brady wrote:

Thanks. I might look at the Debian repos. But afaik, and as discussed by
others in the thread, it appears that for Ubuntu the app versions are
frozen to the main kernel versions. So unless some other method is used,
we're stuck at 3.8 for Gnucash (for instance) until Mint upgrades or we
can otherwise force a more current kernel version. With Mint, upgrades
seem to happen every 2-3 years, so it's a long time to wait for app updates.

The other apps I mentioned (LibreOffice, Firefox, and Thunderbird) seem
to have a way other than Flatpack to bypass the Ubuntu limitation. I
don't really know how. Otherwise, we have to build from source to get a
newer version; not the most user-friendly method, especially after using
Windows for many years.

-MIke

On 12/3/2021 3:13 PM, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote:

Hi Mike,

Am 03.12.21 um 22:19 schrieb Mike Brady:

Have been following this thread because I use Linux Mint, which is based
on the LTS version of Ubuntu. Yes, the GnuCash version in the Ubuntu LTS
repository is way out of date (3.8).

:

AFAIK the Ubuntu family is a branch of the Debian family. And Debian has
usually recent GnuCash versions in their Backports repos.
Q1: Offers Ubuntu no backports repos?
If the answer is No, Why?
Perhhaps worth to discuss with the Ubuntu user base?

Regards
Frank

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Re: [GNC] Backports in Ubuntu? was: Ubuntu binary fairly dated

[David H]

I believe the original version of the script was posted by David Whiting on
2nd October - link to post -
https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2021-October/097864.html

Cheers David H.

On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 at 13:14, brad  wrote:

> Later versions of Ubuntu are not too far out of date
> 21.10: 4.4
> 21.04: 4.4
>
> A month or so ago I was asking a similar question & someone posted a
> script to build it.  See attached (hopefully). It worked for me except
> the location of the binary was a bit confusing.
>
> On 12/3/21 5:24 PM, Mike Brady wrote:
> > Thanks. I might look at the Debian repos. But afaik, and as discussed by
> > others in the thread, it appears that for Ubuntu the app versions are
> > frozen to the main kernel versions. So unless some other method is used,
> > we're stuck at 3.8 for Gnucash (for instance) until Mint upgrades or we
> > can otherwise force a more current kernel version. With Mint, upgrades
> > seem to happen every 2-3 years, so it's a long time to wait for app
> updates.
> >
> > The other apps I mentioned (LibreOffice, Firefox, and Thunderbird) seem
> > to have a way other than Flatpack to bypass the Ubuntu limitation. I
> > don't really know how. Otherwise, we have to build from source to get a
> > newer version; not the most user-friendly method, especially after using
> > Windows for many years.
> >
> > -MIke
> >
> > On 12/3/2021 3:13 PM, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote:
> >> Hi Mike,
> >>
> >> Am 03.12.21 um 22:19 schrieb Mike Brady:
> >>> Have been following this thread because I use Linux Mint, which is
> based
> >>> on the LTS version of Ubuntu. Yes, the GnuCash version in the Ubuntu
> LTS
> >>> repository is way out of date (3.8).
> >> :
> >>
> >> AFAIK the Ubuntu family is a branch of the Debian family. And Debian has
> >> usually recent GnuCash versions in their Backports repos.
> >> Q1: Offers Ubuntu no backports repos?
> >> If the answer is No, Why?
> >> Perhhaps worth to discuss with the Ubuntu user base?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Frank
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