Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Patrick James]

My personal experience is that this "phantom transaction" problem began in 5.X.

Using 4.X, I experienced no problems changing/adding/deleting transactions 
during a reconciliation.


> On 01/12/2024 9:44 AM PST David Carlson  wrote:
> 
>  
> It sounds like you are entering new transactions while part way through
> performing a reconciliation process.
> 
> I suspect that could confuse the reconciliation.
>
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Patrick James]

Jack,

This "log file" discussion seemed to get moved to a stack type of log. There is 
another log with GNUCash, which is somewhat unique in that programmers usually 
need the stack log (all programming).

The GNUCash data log file is explained in 2.5.2.

https://lists.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html

> On 01/11/2024 9:41 AM PST Jack Slater  wrote:
> 
>  
> Sorry Dale but I'd no idea how or what to look for or do.
>
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Patrick James]

I own a few, but I generally don't use timers.
 
What should I expect at 90 minutes, and at what point do I start the timer?
 

> On 01/12/2024 12:29 PM PST David Carlson  wrote:
>  
>  
> ...except when something happens after 90 minutes of that sort of activity 
> that creates a huge mess.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 2:11 PM Jack Slater  mailto:theillini...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'd certainly agree.
> > 
> > On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 11:57 AM Patrick James  > mailto:patrickjame...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > My personal experience is that this "phantom transaction" problem began in
> > > 5.X.
> > >
> > > Using 4.X, I experienced no problems changing/adding/deleting transactions
> > > during a reconciliation.
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 01/12/2024 9:44 AM PST David Carlson  > > > mailto:david.carlson@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It sounds like you are entering new transactions while part way through
> > > > performing a reconciliation process.
> > > >
> > > > I suspect that could confuse the reconciliation.
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Re: [GNC] Template Transactions Behavior in Scheduled Transaction Editor

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>From the pulldown menus:

Actions -> Scheduled Transactions -> Since Last Run...

> On 01/12/2024 7:13 PM PST Liz  wrote:
>
> So would you like a button which gives an option to make a test run?
> 
> Liz
>  
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 12:08:14 -0600
> David Carlson  wrote:
> 
> > I consider the SX to be a graphical form of a script, and so I am not
> > sure how the editor could detect what is safe to call an expression
> > that could be evaluated while it is being edited.
> >
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Re: [GNC] Liability Balances - All payments disappeared

[Patrick James]

A "simple journal entry" is a journal entry that involves no more than two 
accounts.

A "compound journal entry" is a journal entry that involves more than two 
accounts.

That's the 'easy' part.

Now there are entries that involve multiple debits or multiple credits, or 
both, that only impact two accounts. This I personally call this a "split," as 
at least one debit or credit is being "split" into more than is necessary for 
the basics. Often the memos are important here.

When the "transaction journal" in GnuCash is selected, GnuCash shows all the 
impacted accounts, and if "Double Line" is also selected, then it shows the 
memo field too.

I'm not sure what the best use of "split" is, as this question reminds me of 
various seemingly simple questions, such as "Where does milk come from?"


> On 01/18/2024 8:56 AM PST Adrien Monteleone  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> Fair enough. We need a new term for one of these things. It is a 
> repeated source of confusion & consternation.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 1/18/24 9:54 AM, Michael or Penny Novack wrote:
> > Except I would never refer to a transaction that affect JUST TWO 
> > accounts to have any "splits". When I use the term "splits" I mean that 
> > either there is more than one debit account, more than one credit 
> > account, or both. ALL transactions involve at least two accounts, at 
> > least one debit and at least one credit. That is fundamental to double 
> > entry bookkeeping.
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Re: [GNC] Liability Balances - All payments disappeared

[Patrick James]

I suspect it is fair to say that the UI design results in different uses of the 
same English terms from accounting, thus a "split" in terminology.


> On 01/18/2024 12:03 PM PST Adrien Monteleone  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> Yes, this is an example where it isn't just the terminology of users, 
> but rather that the UI uses the term 'split' for two different meanings.
> 
> I too have memo transactions with only one split and no value.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
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Re: [GNC] Error Windows 11 when running reports

[Patrick James]

There is a known bug with reports in GnuCash version 5.5 on a Windows machine. 

The bug is well-understood, but the fix is not so easy.

Moving down to 5.4 will fix the report problem.

> On 01/17/2024 3:29 PM PST Ignacio Ayuste  wrote:
> 
>  
> Hi All, for a lot reports i noticed the file generated in temp folder but
> the app crash, I run the app using winDbg and the error is:
> 
> (4130.c2c): Access violation - code c005 (!!! second chance !!!)
> eax= ebx=62f200a0 ecx= edx= esi=1049fff0
> edi=0004
> eip=62d400d3 esp=00bfe840 ebp=00bfe888 iopl=0 nv up ei pl nz na po
> nc
> cs=0023  ss=002b  ds=002b  es=002b  fs=0053  gs=002b
> efl=00210202
> libjavascriptcoregtk_3_0_0!ZN3JSC8JSObject27getOwnNonIndexPropertyNamesEPS0_PNS_9ExecStateERNS_17PropertyNameArrayENS_15EnumerationModeE+0x473:
> 62d400d3 8b49fc  mov ecx,dword ptr [ecx-4]
> ds:002b:fffc=
> 
> 0:000> !analyze -v
> ***
> *
>   *
> *Exception Analysis
>   *
> *
>   *
> ***
> 
> 
> KEY_VALUES_STRING: 1
> 
> Key  : AV.Fault
> Value: Read
> 
> Key  : Analysis.CPU.mSec
> Value: 2483
> 
> Key  : Analysis.Elapsed.mSec
> Value: 35877
> 
> Key  : Analysis.IO.Other.Mb
> Value: 80
> 
> Key  : Analysis.IO.Read.Mb
> Value: 1
> 
> Key  : Analysis.IO.Write.Mb
> Value: 117
> 
> Key  : Analysis.Init.CPU.mSec
> Value: 1046
> 
> Key  : Analysis.Init.Elapsed.mSec
> Value: 761028
> 
> Key  : Analysis.Memory.CommitPeak.Mb
> Value: 97
> 
> Key  : Failure.Bucket
> Value:
> INVALID_CLASS_PTR_READ_c005_libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0.dll!Unknown
> 
> Key  : Failure.Hash
> Value: {7c9c3c53-a28e-a583-683b-6075744558e7}
> 
> Key  : Timeline.OS.Boot.DeltaSec
> Value: 39191
> 
> Key  : Timeline.Process.Start.DeltaSec
> Value: 761
> 
> Key  : WER.OS.Branch
> Value: ni_release
> 
> Key  : WER.OS.Version
> Value: 10.0.22621.1
> 
> Key  : WER.Process.Version
> Value: 5.5.0.0
> 
> 
> NTGLOBALFLAG:  70
> 
> PROCESS_BAM_CURRENT_THROTTLED: 0
> 
> PROCESS_BAM_PREVIOUS_THROTTLED: 0
> 
> APPLICATION_VERIFIER_FLAGS:  0
> 
> EXCEPTION_RECORD:  (.exr -1)
> ExceptionAddress: 62d400d3
> (libjavascriptcoregtk_3_0_0!ZN3JSC8JSObject27getOwnNonIndexPropertyNamesEPS0_PNS_9ExecStateERNS_17PropertyNameArrayENS_15EnumerationModeE+0x0473)
>ExceptionCode: c005 (Access violation)
>   ExceptionFlags: 
> NumberParameters: 2
>Parameter[0]: 
>Parameter[1]: fffc
> Attempt to read from address fffc
> 
> FAULTING_THREAD:  0c2c
> 
> PROCESS_NAME:  gnucash.exe
> 
> READ_ADDRESS:  fffc
> 
> ERROR_CODE: (NTSTATUS) 0xc005 - The instruction at 0x%p referenced
> memory at 0x%p. The memory could not be %s.
> 
> EXCEPTION_CODE_STR:  c005
> 
> EXCEPTION_PARAMETER1:  
> 
> EXCEPTION_PARAMETER2:  fffc
> 
> STACK_TEXT:
> WARNING: Stack unwind information not available. Following frames may be
> wrong.
> 00bfe888 62d4794a 0c43bcd0 10e1fff0 
> libjavascriptcoregtk_3_0_0!ZN3JSC8JSObject27getOwnNonIndexPropertyNamesEPS0_PNS_9ExecStateERNS_17PropertyNameArrayENS_15EnumerationModeE+0x473
> 00bfe8b8 62d170db 0c43bcd0  0004
> libjavascriptcoregtk_3_0_0!ZN3JSC8JSObject20growOutOfLineStorageERNS_2VMEjj+0x3a
> 00bfe958 62d13f7c 0c43bcd0 00bfea88 
> libjavascriptcoregtk_3_0_0!ZN3JSC16InternalFunction14finishCreationERNS_2VMERKN3WTF6StringE+0xa0b
> 00bfe988 62d31db1 0c43bcd0 00bfea88 
> libjavascriptcoregtk_3_0_0!ZN3JSC17FunctionPrototype14finishCreationERNS_2VMERKN3WTF6StringE+0x1c
> 00bfeae8 62d398c0 0c43bcd0 1045f530 0c43bcd0
> libjavascriptcoregtk_3_0_0!ZN3JSC14JSGlobalObject5resetENS_7JSValueE+0x111
> 00bfeb18 6332e524 10dbffe0 0040 0c43bcd0
> libjavascriptcoregtk_3_0_0!ZN3JSC14JSGlobalObject4initEPNS_8JSObjectE+0xa0
> 00bfeb48 6332fe9c 0c43bcd0 10dbffe0 00bfeb98
> libwebkitgtk_3_0_0!webkit_authentication_widget_get_type+0x3cb64
> 00bfeb98 63334d32 0c43bcd0 10dbffe0 00bfebe8
> libwebkitgtk_3_0_0!webkit_authentication_widget_get_type+0x3e4dc
> 00bfec08 63334f9f 00bfec2c 002f 00bfec38
> libwebkitgtk_3_0_0!webkit_authentication_widget_get_type+0x43372
> 00bfec38 63355d38 0c43bcd0 00bfec90 0c44bf88
> libwebkitgtk_3_0_0!webkit_authentication_widget_get_type+0x435df
> 00bfecb8 633564e3 0c44bf88 f4830899 00bfed18
> libwebkitgtk_3_0_0!webkit_authentication_widget_get_type+0x64378
> 00bfed08 63356912 0c44bf88 0c457f24 0c457f24
> libwebkitgtk_3_0_0!webkit_authentication_widget_get_type+0x64b23
> 00bfedb8 63356a96 0c3c1e28 00bfee94 0c44bf88
> libwebkitgtk_3_0_0!webkit_authentication_widget_get_type+0x64f52
> 00bfedd8 63484033 0c3c1e28 00bfee94 0c458750
> libwebkitgtk_3_0_0!webkit_authentication_widget_get_type+0x650d

Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Patrick James]

One option might be to use the data log files, information in 2.5.2 here:

https://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html

I have not played around with those much, but I suspect you could backup your 
master set of books (3-2-1 backup strategy might be used here), and then make a 
copy of your master set to test the replay of the data log files (.log), as 
described in the link above.

Another, separate, option might be for you to keep track of the changes you 
made, and then export the changes in CSV formation, then import them to the 
file that's returned from your accountant. 

Check out the CSV import/export information here:

Export:
https://gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-manual/trans-export.html

Import:
https://gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-manual/trans-import.html



> On 01/19/2024 5:50 AM PST Simon Roberts  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> Hi all,
> 
> Does GNC provide any mechanism for comparing two versions of the same set
> of accounts?
> 
> I'll be sending my books to my accountant soon, and I imagine they will
> have some corrections/adjustments. I'll be giving them a laptop with GNC
> installed, so they can most easily browse, and it occurs to me that they
> could also make their changes in place. But, unless they write down
> separately every entry they create or change, I would need to somehow
> re-integrate their work with my "master" file. Either that, or I'd have to
> freeze my bookkeeping while they're working on things, and that's likely to
> take too long to be acceptable.
> 
> With the hostage-taker's rent-ware that I used to use, there was a specific
> mechanism for an "accountant's copy" and a means to merge the changes back
> automatically. But I've failed to find this in the docs for GNC (quite
> possibly as a result of poor / uninspired searching!)
> 
> Is this supported directly? Is this something folks have found an approach
> for? I suppose, as a not quite worst case, I could simply diff the XML file
> itself, but that's going to produce results that will be somewhat messy, at
> best. But at least I'd know something about what changed.
> 
> What ideas can you offer (or manual pages, if I've failed that
> embarrassingly!)
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Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Patrick James]

I was extending to 2023 changes. For example, if Simon made some insignificant 
change to 2023, let's say a memo (debits = credits = none = memo only) that he 
believed was important, but this does not change the financial condition of 
2023 (or something else that is so insignificant that he can review after 
receiving his books back), then he'd have to track that.
 
I have not carefully studied the database structure, so maybe it's possible to 
capture for export my example of a 2023 memo that was entered in 2024?
 

> On 01/19/2024 1:02 PM PST Gyle McCollam  wrote:
>  
>  
> Assuming that the info sent to the accountants ended at 12/31/2023, Simon 
> could export all 2024 transactions in CSV format as you suggested.  He could 
> then import into the returned files from the accountants and he wouldn't have 
> to track any changes he made.
>  
> The log files are another option, but it would depend on how long they were 
> saved and how long the accountants took.
>  
> 
> Thank You,  
> 
> Gyle McCollam
> 
> Gyle McCollam
> 
> gmccol...@live.com mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com   email
> 
>  
> 
> -----
> From: gnucash-user  on 
> behalf of Patrick James 
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2024 12:24 PM
> To: Gnucash Users 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?
>  
> One option might be to use the data log files, information in 2.5.2 here:
> 
> https://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html
> 
> I have not played around with those much, but I suspect you could backup your 
> master set of books (3-2-1 backup strategy might be used here), and then make 
> a copy of your master set to test the replay of the data log files (.log), as 
> described in the link above.
> 
> Another, separate, option might be for you to keep track of the changes you 
> made, and then export the changes in CSV formation, then import them to the 
> file that's returned from your accountant.
> 
> Check out the CSV import/export information here:
> 
> Export:
> https://gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-manual/trans-export.html
> 
> Import:
> https://gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-manual/trans-import.html
> 
> 
> 
> > On 01/19/2024 5:50 AM PST Simon Roberts  
> > wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Does GNC provide any mechanism for comparing two versions of the same set
> > of accounts?
> >
> > I'll be sending my books to my accountant soon, and I imagine they will
> > have some corrections/adjustments. I'll be giving them a laptop with GNC
> > installed, so they can most easily browse, and it occurs to me that they
> > could also make their changes in place. But, unless they write down
> > separately every entry they create or change, I would need to somehow
> > re-integrate their work with my "master" file. Either that, or I'd have to
> > freeze my bookkeeping while they're working on things, and that's likely to
> > take too long to be acceptable.
> >
> > With the hostage-taker's rent-ware that I used to use, there was a specific
> > mechanism for an "accountant's copy" and a means to merge the changes back
> > automatically. But I've failed to find this in the docs for GNC (quite
> > possibly as a result of poor / uninspired searching!)
> >
> > Is this supported directly? Is this something folks have found an approach
> > for? I suppose, as a not quite worst case, I could simply diff the XML file
> > itself, but that's going to produce results that will be somewhat messy, at
> > best. But at least I'd know something about what changed.
> >
> > What ideas can you offer (or manual pages, if I've failed that
> > embarrassingly!)
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Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Patrick James]

The --nofile parameter is fine as you are commanding GnuCash "Do not load the 
last file opened."

There is another option, which is to command GnuCash to open a specific file.

The command line structure is: gnucash [options] [datafile]

So if you add the datafile, GnuCash will open with that set of books ready to 
go.

See "Command line options" here:

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Logging

Your best option depends on your workflow. I'm running GnuCash on Windows, and 
for my two most commonly used datafiles, I placed separate icons on my desktop 
so I may easily and quickly open one or both of the data files.


> On 01/21/2024 8:05 AM PST Myron A Schroeder  wrote:
> 
>  
> Where do I find the " --nofile runtime parameter."
> 
> Looks like an interesting way to have more than one set of books on my
> computer.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Myron Schroeder
> 
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 11:42 AM Gyle McCollam  wrote:
> 
> > The quick and dirty solution is to save a copy of what you send to the
> > accounts, under a different name (say: B4A) and when you get back the file
> > from the accountants review the accounts tab of the B4A with the returned
> > file.  That will tell you which accounts have a change in value.  You can
> > then open those accounts and see what changes/corrections they made.  ou
> > can then make those same changes in your current file.  Just make sure that
> > after you save a copy (B4A) that you aren't using that file going forward
> > as GC usually opens the last saved file.
> >
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Gyle McCollam
> >
> > Gyle McCollam
> >
> > gmccol...@live.com   email
> >
> > 
> > From: gnucash-user  on
> > behalf of Simon Roberts 
> > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2024 8:50 AM
> > To: Gnucash Users 
> > Subject: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Does GNC provide any mechanism for comparing two versions of the same set
> > of accounts?
> >
> > I'll be sending my books to my accountant soon, and I imagine they will
> > have some corrections/adjustments. I'll be giving them a laptop with GNC
> > installed, so they can most easily browse, and it occurs to me that they
> > could also make their changes in place. But, unless they write down
> > separately every entry they create or change, I would need to somehow
> > re-integrate their work with my "master" file. Either that, or I'd have to
> > freeze my bookkeeping while they're working on things, and that's likely to
> > take too long to be acceptable.
> >
> > With the hostage-taker's rent-ware that I used to use, there was a specific
> > mechanism for an "accountant's copy" and a means to merge the changes back
> > automatically. But I've failed to find this in the docs for GNC (quite
> > possibly as a result of poor / uninspired searching!)
> >
> > Is this supported directly? Is this something folks have found an approach
> > for? I suppose, as a not quite worst case, I could simply diff the XML file
> > itself, but that's going to produce results that will be somewhat messy, at
> > best. But at least I'd know something about what changed.
> >
> > What ideas can you offer (or manual pages, if I've failed that
> > embarrassingly!)
> >
> > TIA,
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > --
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> > 303 249 3613
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Re: [GNC] how to record tax credit for capital loss

[Patrick James]

Let's start with your best bet is to work with your tax professional as to how 
best to keep track of what's needed for taxes.

In the US, what you call a "credit" generally would not be an asset account. 
The "credit" would be a potential offset to some future gain, if there is any 
future gain, so I would leave all this over on the equity side.

Day 0 Purchase:

Stock (asset) $100DR
Cash $100CR
Purchase of 100 shares of Stock Y for $1 per share

Day 365 Sale:

Cash $90DR
Capital Gain $10DR
Stock (asset) $100CR
Sale of 100 shares of Day 0 Stock Y for $0.90 per share.

NOTE: One hopes that capital gains has a CR (gain) balance, rather than the DR 
balance above (loss).

Later, if there was some sale for a gain, then the CR recorded to Capital Gain 
would offset some or all of the DR.

Also note that matching the shares as I have done above is not always as simple 
as this single stock sale where all shares are purchased on a single day and 
the entire holding is sold a year later.

Again, talk to your tax professional about how to best keep the records 
necessary for tax compliance.


> On 01/23/2024 1:43 PM PST Mattia Rizzolo  wrote:
> 
>  
> Hello,
> 
> I'd like some input on how to best record a tax credit due to capital
> loss, and possibly the following usage of such credit.
> Disclaimer: I'm not doing this for anything worth, it's a personal book
> that nobody but me sees, so I can take a few liberties and not follow
> whatever regulation to the letter.  Besides, I have no formal education
> on accounting.
> 
> 
> The case is the following:
> 
> 1 buy security A, cost $100
> 2 buy security B, cost $100
> 3 sell security A, get $90
> 3a → record $10 loss
> 3b → get a $10 tax credit on following capital gains
> 4 sell security B, get $120
> 4a → record $20 gain
> 4b → offset $10 from 3b
> 4c → pay tax on the remaining $10 (26%, $2.6 over here)
> 
> I reckon all jurisdictions have something similar in concept, all with
> their differences in details.
> 
> This is a tad further complicated by the fact that each broker has its
> own "bucket" of credits (can't comingle losses and gains across
> different brokers).  Also the credits expire after 4 years, so I should
> record under which year they matured.  As such, I expect an addition to
> my CoA, such as:
> Assets
>   |- Credits
> |- Capital Loss credits
> |- broker 1
>  |- 2020
>  |- 2021
>  |- 2022
>  |- 2023
>  |- 2024
> |- broker 2
>  |- 2022
>  .
> 
> 
> 
> I've been using gnucash for ~3 years now, but I always procrastinated on
> figuring out the 3b/4b steps, just posting the resulting net tax
> transaction as computed by the broker.
> For me it's really not obvious what's the opposing account from where
> the money should come/go...
> How do people do it here? :)
> 
> 
> Thank you for all the hints!
> 
> -- 
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Re: [GNC] how to record tax credit for capital loss

[Patrick James]

Again keeping in mind that I am NOT a tax authority.

Now that we're on the equity side, let's move forward with your tracking.

I very much doubt that you need two separate accounts for the losses and gains; 
from what you're suggesting, you need to match some gains with some losses. I 
would match these in a single account " Capital Gains" where it is known 
that CR is "gain" (the expected/desired 'normal' balance) and DR is "loss." 
Just labeling an account "Capital" is difficult when looking back/keeping track 
of what is what. And one need not label it "Capital Gain or Loss," as the "or 
loss" part is understood based on the balance in the account.

Given what you are requesting, I'd have something like this:

Capital Gain
2017 Broker 1
2017 Broker 2
2018 Broker 1
2018 Broker 2

You would know what is best in terms of subaccounts.

Then run reports if you need some specific information, which could include 
separating the losses from the gains based on the debits and credits.

Keep in mind that I'm providing some ideas about how to use GNUCash as a tool, 
and I have no idea about your tax requirements.


> On 01/24/2024 3:11 AM PST Mattia Rizzolo  wrote:
> 
>  
> Thank you Patrick for your suggestion!
> 
> I see what you are suggesting here… Mh.
> 
> It could easily become very messy as the rules for offsetting gains is
> fairly annoying here: gains some financial instruments can offset losses
> only from some other particular financial instruments (i.e., "gains"
> from the dividends can *never* be offeset, or losses from stocks can't
> be offset by gain on ETFs, etc)…  Plus the fact that I'd need to split
> losses by years and brokers… it's going to be annoying to have an
> account clearly state the "correct" credit I'm due this way.
> 
> 
> But I think you may have pointed me to the right direction, of keeping
> everything within the equities, here is what I've done:
> (yes, I realize that income/expenses are "the same thing")
> 
> Expenses
>  |- Capital Loss
> |- Broker 1
> |- 2017
> |- 2020
> |- 2021
> |- 2023
> Income
>  |- Capital Gain
> 
> So, I changed my losses to be posted against the proper "capital loss"
> account instead of being a negative gain, and then I'm posting the
> future gains as compensation of that loss (and only for the part that
> can be compensated).
> This way indeed the balance of the Broker1 account does match with what
> the broker is showing me.
> 
> 
> Do anybody believe I may be missing something out when recording capital
> gains/losses this way?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 03:43:03PM -0800, Patrick James wrote:
> > Let's start with your best bet is to work with your tax professional as to 
> > how best to keep track of what's needed for taxes.
> > 
> > In the US, what you call a "credit" generally would not be an asset 
> > account. The "credit" would be a potential offset to some future gain, if 
> > there is any future gain, so I would leave all this over on the equity side.
> > 
> > Day 0 Purchase:
> > 
> > Stock (asset) $100DR
> > Cash $100CR
> > Purchase of 100 shares of Stock Y for $1 per share
> > 
> > Day 365 Sale:
> > 
> > Cash $90DR
> > Capital Gain $10DR
> > Stock (asset) $100CR
> > Sale of 100 shares of Day 0 Stock Y for $0.90 per share.
> > 
> > NOTE: One hopes that capital gains has a CR (gain) balance, rather than the 
> > DR balance above (loss).
> > 
> > Later, if there was some sale for a gain, then the CR recorded to Capital 
> > Gain would offset some or all of the DR.
> > 
> > Also note that matching the shares as I have done above is not always as 
> > simple as this single stock sale where all shares are purchased on a single 
> > day and the entire holding is sold a year later.
> > 
> > Again, talk to your tax professional about how to best keep the records 
> > necessary for tax compliance.
> > 
> > 
> > > On 01/23/2024 1:43 PM PST Mattia Rizzolo  wrote:
> > > 
> > >  
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > I'd like some input on how to best record a tax credit due to capital
> > > loss, and possibly the following usage of such credit.
> > > Disclaimer: I'm not doing this for anything worth, it's a personal book
> > > that nobody but me sees, so I can take a few liberties and not follow
> > > whatever regulation to the letter.  Besides, I have no formal education
> &g

Re: [GNC] how to record tax credit for capital loss

[Patrick James]

You mention picking the earliest year to minimize the tax liability (i.e. 
maximize the loss matching), but within a window of time.

> On 01/24/2024 7:53 AM PST Mattia Rizzolo  wrote:
> 
>  Besides, one offests losses by fist pickin the
> furtherst year first, so it's good to know how much is left to offset
> from each given year for each broker (it's common practice in Q4 to look
> at what's left over from 3-4 years before and evaluate what to do to not
> lose the credit).

The normal balance is CR in the equity account, but for tax purposes you're 
looking for a zero/DR balance. According to what you're suggesting, you can 
match current CRs (gains) to past DRs (losses), but you can only offset the DR 
balance within a given window of time (and there are some tax reporting periods 
in this discussion).

So if you have a DR balance in your Brokerage 1 2020 account, then you'd credit 
that account if you sold for a gain today, until the account balance is zero, 
and then you'd credit 2021 for the leftover CR amount, up to the 2021 DR 
balance, and so on and so forth.

Eventually you'll run out of gain, or you'll have to credit the remaining CR 
balance to the current year account (Brokerage 1 2024), which you might be able 
to offset with a future DR, if you sold something for a loss, and that future 
transaction meets the right windows of time.
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Re: [GNC] how to record tax credit for capital loss

[Patrick James]

> If I run out of past credits then that's a final gain, that's taxable
> the moment it's realized (and some brokers straightly withold it from
> the selling price!), it's not possible to offset with a future loss
> within the same year.

It should be total obvious that to minimize taxes if you were selling two 
different positions for a net of no gain or loss, then you'd better sell the 
loss on day 1 and the gain on day 2.

I would not want to risk my broker trading the gain a few seconds before the 
loss.
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Patrick James]

This is bug 799093, and John Ralls has not asked additional questions after I 
was able to reliably reproduce (part of) the issue, so, hopefully, there is 
sufficient information to find the bug.

https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799093


> On 01/25/2024 10:02 AM PST Jack Slater  wrote:
> 
>  
> I'm back! Reconciling a credit card account today. Another "rogue"
> transaction created in the reconcile register (image attached).
> However it's NOT in the account ledger (image attached)!! When I try to
> edit the reconcile transaction I get an error message reading "Target split
> is currently hidden in this register" (also attached). I know I read a bug
> report on this action and I thought I could add more evidence in hopes of
> getting the issue resolved.
> 
> [image: there.jpg]
> [image: not there.jpg]
> 
> [image: error.jpg]
> 
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 5:48 PM Jim DeLaHunt  wrote:
> 
> > Jack:
> >
> > On 2024-01-11 09:11, Jack Slater wrote:
> > > 90 minutes of reconciling down the drain with a crash near the end of the
> > > final account
> > My commiserations. Yes, it is maddening to lose 90 minutes of work when
> > the tech decides to fail you.
> > > ... Oddly, even though GnuC auto saves periodically, it seems
> > > none of any add/delete/balance transactions were saved in any account!
> > Why
> > > would that be
> >
> > I can think of several interesting directions you could take this thread:
> >
> > Why didn't GnuCash seem to preserve any of the changes in my 90 minutes
> > of work?
> >
> > How can I change my workflow so that I lose less work when the tech
> > decides to fail me?
> >
> > How can I improve the way I write message to this list, so that I get
> > more helpful answers?
> >
> > How can I stop these tech failures from happening?
> >
> > On that last point, I can offer two concrete suggestions:
> >
> > 1. GnuCash has a "Check and Repair" feature which is useful to try when
> > you are concerned about "rogue" transactions and such. Try going to the
> > Accounts tab of the main window, and select menu item Actions -- Check
> > and Repair -- Repair All. This menu is described a little in the GnuCash
> > manual, section 4.2.1.4. "Account Tree - Actions Menu", at
> > <
> > https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-manual/gui-acct-tree.html#AccTree-actions-menu
> > >.
> >
> > 2. The text in your "Entry Point Not Found" dialogue, which GnuCash
> > displays when it crashes, has been discussed on this list recently.  It
> > is described in a bug report at
> > . It is suspected to be
> > problem from GnuCash 5.4 leaving pieces behind when GnuCash 5.5
> > installs. There is a workaround there:
> >
> > a. Use the File Explorer to open "C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\"
> >
> > b. If there is a file named "libxmlsec1.dll" present, but no file named
> > "libxmlsec.dll", then rename file "libxmlsec1.dll" to the name
> > "libxmlsec.dll" (without the trailing "1").
> >
> > I do not use GnuCash on Windows, so I have no experience with this
> > problem. I only know what I read. If you ask this list directly about
> > how to work around this bug, Windows users may be able to give you
> > better help.
> >
> > I hope this helps,
> >   —Jim DeLaHunt
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [GNC] How do you record the rounding of your netpay?

[Patrick James]

This rounding is not material to your financial condition.

Tracking the rounding is not worth the time and effort necessary, so you could 
adjust your gross pay for the rounding.

First month would be an increase (in pay/earnings) of €0.50, and the second 
month would be a decrease by €0.30. Over time your recorded Salary on your 
books will never drift more than €1, as there is always an adjustment to trend 
toward a €0 difference.

1st Month

€1501 DR Cash
€300 DR Taxes
€1801 CR Salary

2nd Month

€1500 DR Cash
€300 DR Taxes
€1800 CR Salary



> On 01/27/2024 12:17 AM PST Oleander via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
>  
> Hello everyone,
> 
> how do you record the rounding of your netpay?
> 
> After subtracting taxes from my gross pay, if the result of my net pay is a 
> floating point number, my company rounds this number up to the next integer 
> then credits the amount to my bank account. But the rounding is just a loan, 
> the next month it will be charged from my gross pay along with taxes and if 
> the result of my net pay again is a floating point number, it will be rounded 
> up to the next integer and then credited to my bank account and so on.
> 
> Eg:
> 
> 1st Month
> 
> Gross Pay = €1800.50
> 
> Taxes = €300
> 
> Netpay = 1500.50 --> 1501€ (amount credited to my bank account)
> 
> 2nd Month
> 
> Gross Pay = €1800.30
> 
> Taxes = €300
> 
> 1st Month Rounding = €0.50
> 
> Netpay = 1499.80 --> 1500€ (amount credited to my bank account)
> 
> Thank you
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Re: [GNC] How do you record the rounding of your netpay?

[Patrick James]

In my view it's going to be very difficult to justify spending any time 
tracking a whole bunch of zeroes with a contra equity account. I would not even 
want to see that on the books, much less spend time every pay period adjusting 
the contra account balance to some new amount less than 1.

At the end, the final paycheck, I'm betting the final paycheck is also rounded 
up, so that over the entire life of employment, the maximum "extra" paid is 
under 1, with an expected value of around 0.50.

This is all just a bunch of zeros, and the cost to track it is less than the 
value of the information.


> On 01/27/2024 3:14 PM PST David Cousens  wrote:
> 
>  
> If you really want to track this you could setup a contra account to your 
> Income acct which sums into the Income account e.g.
> 
> first month:
> 
> Income   Credit 1800.50
> Asset:Taxes withheld Debit   300.00
> Income::Pay rounding Credit0.50
> Asset:Bank   Debit  1501.00
> 
> second month:
> 
> Income   Credit 1800.30
> Asset:Taxes withheld Debit   300.00
> Income:Pay Rounding  Debit00.30
> Asset:Bank   Debit  1500.00
> 
> The balance in the Pay rounding account should hover around 0.00. and your 
> bank account will record the correct balance
> in the account at the bank.
> 
> 
> I cannot for the life of me understand why any payroll system would be 
> rounding to the nearest pound if they are using
> direct credit of your pay. To the nearest penny yes but not the nearest 
> pound. Seems like a hangover from when they paid
> in cash and didn't want to be bothered with coins.
> 
> David Cousens
> 
> On Sat, 2024-01-27 at 08:17 +, Oleander via gnucash-user wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> > 
> > how do you record the rounding of your netpay?
> > 
> > After subtracting taxes from my gross pay, if the result of my net pay is a 
> > floating point number, my company rounds
> > this number up to the next integer then credits the amount to my bank 
> > account. But the rounding is just a loan, the
> > next month it will be charged from my gross pay along with taxes and if the 
> > result of my net pay again is a floating
> > point number, it will be rounded up to the next integer and then credited 
> > to my bank account and so on.
> > 
> > Eg:
> > 
> > 1st Month
> > 
> > Gross Pay = €1800.50
> > 
> > Taxes = €300
> > 
> > Netpay = 1500.50 --> 1501€ (amount credited to my bank account)
> > 
> > 2nd Month
> > 
> > Gross Pay = €1800.30
> > 
> > Taxes = €300
> > 
> > 1st Month Rounding = €0.50
> > 
> > Netpay = 1499.80 --> 1500€ (amount credited to my bank account)
> > 
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Re: [GNC] End of year

[Patrick James]

> On 01/30/2024 9:39 AM PST Michael or Penny Novack 
>  wrote:
> 
> ONE refers to closing all the accounts of type income and expense 
> (temporary accounts of fundamental type equity) into equity itself or 
> accounts under equity. You will have to be doing the latter if the 
> entity type isn't "sole" (personal books or a sole proprietorship) 
> because need to allocate to the individual partners or shareholders. 
> Just closing the accounts of type income and expense WILL start the new 
> year off with these at zero.

There are those who love the "Income Summary" account, and then there are those 
who would rather forget about it.
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Re: [GNC] New user error (was: gnucash-user Digest, Vol 251, Issue 12)

[Patrick James]

This message is only about "recording and showing any transactions."

The recording of transactions is separate from the showing of transactions. 

The transactions could be recorded, but not shown. What I suggest is looking at 
all the options under the "View" pull-down menu, especially the "filter by" 
option.



> On 02/07/2024 6:43 AM PST accounting Billing 
>  wrote:
> 
>  
> I did read the manual and understand the double entry. But how come the
> software is not recording and showing any transactions?
> 
> If anyone can get a zoom call and help us to set this up. We will donate
> and compensate for their time.
> My name is Beck, Cell 347-206-1096.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 9:38 AM sunfis...@yahoo.com 
> wrote:
> 
> > Also, you need to read the manual to understand double entry accounting
> > and its implementation in GnuCash. (Stephen's previous reply to your
> > question about Equity applies here as well.)
> >
> > And GnuCash list etiquette.
> >
> > David T.
> > On Feb 7, 2024, at 5:27 PM, accounting Billing <
> > account...@rapidroutelogistics.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Also, When i try to record the expenses transactions, It is not showing on
> >> the dashboard.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 9:16 AM  wrote:
> >>
> >>  Send gnucash-user mailing list submissions to
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> >>> 2. Re:  Change Printed Invoice (Lester Bennett)
> >>> 3. Re:  Change Printed Invoice (Michael or Penny Novack)
> >>> 4.  GNUCash 5.5 (accounting Billing)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  Message: 1
> >>>  Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2024 17:30:43 -0800
> >>>  From: "Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)" 
> >>>  To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> >>>  Subject: Re: [GNC] GNUCash 5.5
> >>>  Message-ID: <065b2fe8-8524-48c6-98c5-644030e7a...@fastmail.fm>
> >>>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  On 2024-02-06 16:51, accounting Billing wrote:
> >>>
>   From: accounting Billing 
>   Date: Tue, Feb 6, 2024, 3:00?PM
>   Subject: GNUCash 5.5
>   To: , , <
>   christopher@gmail.com>
> 
>   We are willing to use GnuCash for our business accounting, But we are
>   facing some issues.
> 
>   When I try to add any transactions. It is not showing on the Accounts
>   Total numbers.
> 
>   When I try to put a transaction on the list, It is not showing on the
> 
> >>>  main
> >>>
>   page.
> 
> >>>
> >>>  You debited and credited Equity:Opening Balances for the same amount, so
> >>>  the net is zero, just as your attachment shows.  I don't understand the
> >>>  context of the I/O error; possibly the @ signs in your disk names are a
> >>>  problem.
> >>>
> >>>  Before you go further, may I strongly, strongly suggest that you read
> >>>  the Tutorial and Concepts Guide and actually work through the examples
> >>>  that are relevant to your particular situation.
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>>  At bottom, GnuCash is just a computer replacement for keeping books of
> >>>  account in pen and ink. However, it has its own special ways of doing
> >>>  things, and if you don't use the techniques as shown in the examples,
> >>>  results will not be as you expect and you'll get immensely frustrated.
> >>>
> >>>  Stan Brown
> >>>  Tehachapi, CA, USA
> >>>  https://BrownMath.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  Message: 2
> >>>  Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2024 12:47:05 +1000
> >>>  From: Lester Bennett 
> >>>  To: John Ralls 
> >>>  Cc: Gnucash Users 
> >>>  Subject: Re: [GNC] Change Printed Invoice
> >>>  Message-ID: 
> >>>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >>>
> >>>  Thanks John. I don't know why I didn't see the Custom Title options. I
> >>>  must have been through the configuration about 5 times. I guess I was
> >>>  blinkered and just looking for the word "Invoice".
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  On 7/02/2024 10:27 am, John Ralls wrote:
> >>>
> 
> 
>   On Feb 6, 2024, at 4:01 PM, John Ralls  wrote:
> >
> >  Please remember to copy the list on all replies.
> >
> >  The tab is actually called "Printable Invoice". I've attached a
> >  screenshot.
> 
> 
> 
>   The screenshot apparently got eaten. Another try:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  --
> >>>  This email has been checked for 

Re: [GNC] View - Double Line

[Patrick James]

I'm running GNUCash 5.4, because Windows.

My experience has been similar, but sometimes the register does display 
properly. Often when it does not display properly, if I arrow up, the situation 
is corrected.

I have not documented the behavior to the point where I could write a bug 
report, but I strongly suspect there is a bug.


> On 02/07/2024 9:19 AM PST dunop...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>  
> Hello - I like to use the Double Line View so that I can put comments in
> each transaction. I have to click the Double Line View every time. Is there
> a setting or way to configure gnucash to always enable that setting?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Daniel Tran
> 
>  
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Re: [GNC] New user error (was: gnucash-user Digest, Vol 251, Issue 12)

[Patrick James]

After suggesting that the manual was read, and that "the double entry is 
understood," at some point the best answer becomes "it's time to hire an 
accountant."

> On 02/07/2024 10:50 AM PST sunfish62--- via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
>  
> Your register shows transactions. They add up to zero (as I and others have 
> noted)  and so don't show in the Chart of Accounts. 
> 
> RTFM
> 
> ⁣David T. ​
> 
> On Feb 7, 2024, 9:40 PM, at 9:40 PM, accounting Billing 
>  wrote:
> >I think this is a technical difficulty. Because none of the
> >transactions
> >are showing at all.
> >
> >On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 11:02 AM sunfis...@yahoo.com
> >
> >wrote:
> >
> >> You keep entering the second entry in your transaction **into the
> >same
> >> account you're in. **
> >>
> >> Think of it this way, you take $20 out of your right pocket, and then
> >put
> >> $20 into your right pocket. Assuming your right pocket started with
> >$20,
> >> how much is left after this transaction? ($20)
> >>
> >> GnuCash is recording *that* transaction, which is what you told it to
> >do.
> >>
> >> You say you've read the manual, but I'd recommend reviewing 2.2.3 and
> >5.3
> >> in the Guide, and section 6.2 in Help.
> >>
> >> David T.
> >> On Feb 7, 2024, at 5:43 PM, accounting Billing <
> >> account...@rapidroutelogistics.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I did read the manual and understand the double entry. But how come
> >the
> >>> software is not recording and showing any transactions?
> >>>
> >>> If anyone can get a zoom call and help us to set this up. We will
> >donate
> >>> and compensate for their time.
> >>> My name is Beck, Cell 347-206-1096.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 9:38 AM sunfis...@yahoo.com
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  Also, you need to read the manual to understand double entry
> >accounting
>  and its implementation in GnuCash. (Stephen's previous reply to
> >your
>  question about Equity applies here as well.)
> 
>  And GnuCash list etiquette.
> 
>  David T.
>  On Feb 7, 2024, at 5:27 PM, accounting Billing <
>  account...@rapidroutelogistics.com> wrote:
> >
> > Also, When i try to record the expenses transactions, It is not
> >showing on
> > the dashboard.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 9:16 AM 
> >wrote:
> >
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> >> 1. Re:  GNUCash 5.5 (Stan Brown (using GC 4.14))
> >> 2. Re:  Change Printed Invoice (Lester Bennett)
> >> 3. Re:  Change Printed Invoice (Michael or Penny Novack)
> >> 4.  GNUCash 5.5 (accounting Billing)
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >>  Message: 1
> >>  Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2024 17:30:43 -0800
> >>  From: "Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)" 
> >>  To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> >>  Subject: Re: [GNC] GNUCash 5.5
> >>  Message-ID: <065b2fe8-8524-48c6-98c5-644030e7a...@fastmail.fm>
> >>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>
> >>
> >>  On 2024-02-06 16:51, accounting Billing wrote:
> >>
> >>>  From: accounting Billing 
> >>>  Date: Tue, Feb 6, 2024, 3:00?PM
> >>>  Subject: GNUCash 5.5
> >>>  To: , , <
> >>>  christopher@gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>  We are willing to use GnuCash for our business accounting, But
> >we are
> >>>  facing some issues.
> >>>
> >>>  When I try to add any transactions. It is not showing on the
> >Accounts
> >>>  Total numbers.
> >>>
> >>>  When I try to put a transaction on the list, It is not showing
> >on the
> >>>
> >>  main
> >>
> >>>  page.
> >>>
> >>
> >>  You debited and credited Equity:Opening Balances for the same
> >amount, so
> >>  the net is zero, just as your attachment shows.  I don't
> >understand the
> >>  context of the I/O error; possibly the @ signs in your disk
> >names are a
> >>  problem.
> >>
> >>  Before you go further, may I strongly, strongly suggest that you
> >read
> >>  the Tutorial and Concepts Guide and actually work through the
> >examples
> >>  that are relevant to your particular situation.
> >>  
> >>
> >>  At bottom, GnuCash is just a computer replacement for keeping
> >books of
> >>  account in pen and ink. However, it has its o

Re: [GNC] New user error

[Patrick James]

Two questions:

1. What is "interactive mode," how does it differ from other modes, and where 
do I find the different modes?

> There IS however a report which will show you the journal (the date 
> ordered transactions) if for some reason you wanted to look at that.

2. While I understand reports have many options, and this discussion could 
quickly extend beyond the register view, if we (reasonably) keep it to the 
register, what's the difference between "Sort by" and select "Date of entry" 
versus the report?



> On 02/07/2024 2:26 PM PST Michael or Penny Novack 
>  wrote:
> 
>  
> On 2/7/2024 4:59 PM, R Losey wrote:
> > I was intrigued by the Transaction Journal mentioned, but I don't have a
> > Transaction Journal in my View menu...
> >
> > after additional digging, I discovered it doesn't show up on the Accounts
> > page; one must be in one of the accounts to see it.
> 
> Gnucash is "virtual journal". Those of us who learned in the old paper 
> and pen on paper days will remember we FIRST entered transactions in the 
> journal, then posted them to the ledger accounts. IF you select "journal 
> view" you can enter transactions that way, and when the entry is 
> complete, automatic posting. BUT except for one transaction at a time, 
> you can't see the journal directly while in interactive mode.
> 
> There IS however a report which will show you the journal (the date 
> ordered transactions) if for some reason you wanted to look at that.
> 
> This is not the time or place to discuss that some reports have 
> misleading names (in gnucash)
> 
> 
> Michael D Novack
> 
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Re: [GNC] New user error

[Patrick James]

I've been comparing and contrasting two options:

1. Reports -> Assets & Liabilities -> General Journal
2. Tools -> General Journal

If the second option is selected, which is the one I generally use, then 
sorting by date of entry puts the transactions in date order. The General 
Journal (option 2) is also subject to filters.

The General Journal Report (option 1) does not have any options, at least none 
that I've found, so it should include all data entry.


> On 02/08/2024 7:06 AM PST Derek Atkins  wrote:
> 
>  
> I presume you mean Tools -> General Journal ?
> 
> -derek
> 
> On Thu, February 8, 2024 9:58 am, Michael or Penny Novack wrote:
> > On 2/7/2024 11:11 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> >> Michael,
> >>
> >> Transaction Journal View is simply the same full transaction
> >> accessible via either 'Split' or 'Auto-Split' but for all transactions
> >> - *not* one at a time.
> >
> > Yes of course, can have on your screen "journal view" for all
> > transactions affecting the account. But that is NOT "full journal view".
> > Gnucash is "virtual journal" but you can get gnucash to show you that
> > (full journal).
> >
> > By "full journal" I mean something looking like what would have been
> > used in old pen and ink on paper days. The entries in date order no
> > matter what accounts were involved.
> >
> > See what the report "General Journal" gives you.
> >
> >
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Re: [GNC] Maddening!!!!!!!!

[Patrick James]

Save, Exit, and Reload will clear the rouge transactions.
 

> On 02/08/2024 8:54 AM PST Jack Slater  wrote:
>  
>  
> Anything coming soon to fix this?
> 
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 12:26 PM Patrick James  mailto:patrickjame...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > This is bug 799093, and John Ralls has not asked additional questions after 
> > I was able to reliably reproduce (part of) the issue, so, hopefully, there 
> > is sufficient information to find the bug.
> > 
> > https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799093
> > 
> > s by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
> > 
> 
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Re: [GNC] CSV Importer - Debit vs Credit

[Patrick James]

Paul,

It has been my personal experience that importing double quotes can be 
problematic for GNUCash, so I always remove all the double quotes during my 
pre-processing of the data.

The bug report is here:

https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798479



> On 07/04/2024 12:40 PM PDT Paul Kroitor  wrote:
> 
> 
> NB: since " is used in the actual data, I'm using ' above as a delimiter and
> " as a character in the string.
>
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Re: [GNC] Request for help!

[Patrick James]

> On 07/11/2024 6:30 PM PDT Ronald Solomon  wrote:
> 
>  
> Yes, I know I can however, trying to type out the concerns is
> time-consuming, and in the past, I didn't ask the correct questions so did
> not get a correct answer. I appreciate everyone giving me information but
> my issues are not being answered. That is why I am asking for someone to
> talk over the phone with me or zoom so I can share my screen.
> 
> Ron Solomon
> 

Ron,

First let me begin with the history of the CSV import. According to my 
research, the CSV import in GNUCash was designed with one purpose in mind: 
Importing information from bank downloads. It was then expanded from there, but 
the basic design was to import from bank downloads.

Now to your specific question on how to import.

We need to start with a test file and work up to your production data.

Start with a fresh gnucash data file, one that named for testing purposes. This 
is not your production data file.

Next I'm going to suggest importing the sample mulit-split data presented in 
example 6.1:

Example 6.1. Sample Multi-split.csv

Date,Description,Deposit,Account
05/03/2006,Grocery Store,-45.21,Assets:Checking
,,45.21,Expenses:Groceries
14/03/2006,Employers R Us,670.00,Assets:Checking
,,180.00,Expenses:Taxes:Federal
,,90.00,Expenses:Taxes:Medicare
,,60.00,Expenses:Taxes:Social Security
,,-1000.00,Income:Salary

SOURCE: https://gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-manual/trans-import.html

You'll need to copy and paste the data into a text editor and save the file 
with the csv extension.

Settings for that file are:

File Format: Character-separated
Comma
Multi-split

Encoding: Unicode (UTF-8)
Date format: d-m-y

Leading lines to skip: 1

Now select pull down menus and match the first row (lined out)

Date - Description - Amount - Account 


If you get stuck in that process, please let us know where.
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Re: [GNC] Exporting reports to spreadsheet

[Patrick James]

George,

This is a Windows 'feature,' as Windows has file extension associations.

If you do a quick online search, you should be able to find the instructions on 
how reassign the association of the ".ods" extension to LibreOffice Calc.

Alternatively, try right-clicking the icon and selecting "Open with" 

> On 03/29/2023 9:11 AM George Riner  wrote:
> 
>  
> The setting:
> 
> Windows 10
> Gnucash 4.13
> 
> When I Export a report I've been supplying a windows extension of 
> ".ods". Which I assumed would cause that exported report file to open in 
> some OpenDocumentSpreadsheet application, in my case: LibreOffice Calc.
> 
> But it doesn't do that. I double-click the file to open it in the 
> default application and it opens in LibreOffice Writer.
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Re: [GNC] 5.0-1 (Flathub) issue

[Patrick James]

Once the correct payee is highlighted, simply tab to the next field, and 5.0 
will fill it in as you desire. Also note that you may arrow up and down during 
the data entry to select your desired payee, and then click tab.

I have a few payees that are very similar, but are long, so the number of 
keystrokes has gone down by a significant amount for those situations. The 
other situations are the same number of keystrokes, or very close.


> On 03/29/2023 6:30 AM John J Egan  wrote:
>  
> Since this update, creating a entry in the register now pops-up a 
> 'similar entries' selection search result box, rather than just filling 
> in the payee as it used to. It's SO frustrating, and a lot more work now!
> 
> Please revert back this new "feature".
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Re: [GNC] Where to download 5.0

[Patrick James]

Here is where I downloaded my copy:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/5.0/


> On 03/29/2023 5:39 PM Gyle McCollam  wrote:
> 
>  
> Sorry, I'm sure this has been posted, but when I o to Gnucash.org website it 
> only shows 4.13 or 4.9.  I tried surgeforce, but the 5.0 download won't open 
> on windows.
> 
> 
> Thank You,
> 
> Gyle McCollam
> 
> Gyle McCollam
> 
> gmccol...@live.com   email
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Re: [GNC] Site certificate expiry warning

[Patrick James]

I keep trying to figure out what to do with all my "likes" on various social 
media sites, and as of today, no one can really explain why I want/desire/need 
more "likes," or similar.


> On 03/30/2023 11:29 AM Dr. David Kirkby  
> wrote:
> 
> But that still means if you want to do well in Google, you maximise your
> chances if you use HTTPS. Even if you have a completely static website,
> with no possibility of a user entering even an email address or name.
> 
> 
> 
> Dave
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Re: [GNC] Site certificate expiry warning

[Patrick James]

About two months ago, there was a major ice storm in Austin, and the area was 
completely unprepared for such a storm. A friend of mine was without power for 
about 12 days. He has two small children, and he has good local resources, 
which were also impacted by the ice storm, and it was not easy on him.

From the other messages here, the web server is in Austin, and was impacted by 
the storm. The basic claim extends to the ISP in terms of recovery from the ice 
storm, which propagated to the GnuCash server.

No one here seems to have a philosophical problem with https, but when an ice 
storm bring the system down, well, that's a problem.

> On 03/30/2023 11:36 AM Tom Weichmann  wrote:
> 
>  
> I'm confused, is someone arguing against using HTTPS on gnucash.org?  Is
> there some cost that is trying to be avoided or something like that?  I use
> HTTPS on my little personal website because why have any data on the
> internet that isn't encrypted.  I can't think of a downside
> 
> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 2:29 PM Dr. David Kirkby <
> drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk> wrote:
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Re: [GNC] Find not working in Gnucash for Windows 5.0

[Patrick James]

This is a bug, and I reported it as Bug ID 798803.

https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798803

Selecting the "New Search" radio button should search as new, but alas, it does 
not.


> On 04/05/2023 11:07 PM Stan Brown  wrote:
> 
>  
> On 2023-04-05 07:18, Tute Terner wrote:
> > When I search in the Find dialog box using the Description field,
> > everything works. But when I search by the Memo field or the
> > 'Description, Notes or Memo' field or the Action field the Search
> > Results always turn out empty, even though the search string is present
> > in the Memo or Action fields of some transactions.  I am using Gnucash
> > 5.0 for Windows, but I have noticed this in some previous versions too.
> > Am I doing something incorrect or is this a bug. I don't see that
> > anybody has mentioned this behaviour in the mailing list or in the bug
> > list. Thank you.
> 
> Probably you already know this, but ...
> 
> Gnucash will only find transactions that are in the window that is on
> top when you initiate the Find.
> 
> Therefore, if you want to make sure of getting all matching transactions
> in all accounts rather than just one, you need to start your Find while
> the Accounts window (lost of accounts) is on top.
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Re: [GNC] Find not working in Gnucash for Windows 5.0

[Patrick James]

Fair enough. My experience with the "Find..." is that it's buggy, and so you're 
right, I didn't spend a tremendous amount of effort sorting out the differences.

> On 04/06/2023 9:46 AM john  wrote:
> 
>  
> You're leaping to conclusions. The OP didn't say anything about it being a 
> second search.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
> 
> > On Apr 6, 2023, at 9:34 AM, Patrick James  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > This is a bug, and I reported it as Bug ID 798803.
> > 
> > https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798803
> > 
> > Selecting the "New Search" radio button should search as new, but alas, it 
> > does not.
> >
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Re: [GNC] Find not working in Gnucash for Windows 5.0

[Patrick James]

I am not a programmer, but this has a similar behavior to the bug I reported, 
in that the selected tab makes a big difference.

Sure, I reported the bug as a "second search" as that is how I associated it at 
the time, but with this added information the bug might be more about the tab 
selected.

I added this to my bug report here:

https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798803


> On 04/07/2023 3:57 AM Tute Terner  wrote:
> 
>  
> On 2023-04-05 07:18, Tute Terner wrote:
> >/When I search in the Find dialog box using the Description field, 
> >/>/everything works. But when I search by the Memo field or the 
> >/>/'Description, Notes or Memo' field or the Action field the Search 
> >/>/Results always turn out empty, even though the search string is present 
> >/>/in the Memo or Action fields of some transactions.  I am using Gnucash 
> >/>/5.0 for Windows, but I have noticed this in some previous versions too. 
> >/>/Am I doing something incorrect or is this a bug. I don't see that 
> >/>/anybody has mentioned this behaviour in the mailing list or in the bug 
> >/>/list. Thank you. /
> 
> 
> The specific search instance I had is this. I have a Gnucash file with 
> accounts X, Y, and Z. X and Y have split Memo fields containing the 
> search string 'paid'. I display account register X and search for 'paid' 
> in the Memo field. Zero results. I then go to 'List of accounts' tree 
> tab and search the same, using 'New Search' every time. I get results 
> from both X and Y. So this works, but I don't want the result from Y.
> 
> So again I search from the accounts tree tab adding the 'and' condition 
> of Account and set it to X. Again 0 results. I display account register 
> Y and run the search on Memo field only. Again 0 results.
> 
> To make doubly sure I created a dummy gnucash file with accounts X, Y 
> and Z as above. Same results. So looks like a bug to me.
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Re: [GNC] Find not working in Gnucash for Windows 5.0

[Patrick James]

Tute Terner,

Will you please upload your sample data set.


> On 04/07/2023 11:46 AM Adrien Monteleone  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> Do the splits *that match the open account register* have 'paid' in 
> their memos?
> 
> If the 'paid' text is in a memo assigned to some *other* account, you 
> will not get results. Memos are not for the open register, but only for 
> accounts matching *for that split*.
> 
> e.g.,
> 
> Dr. Expenses:Utilities100
>-(Memo = "paid")
>Cr. Assets:Checking100
>  -(Memo is blank)
> 
> And you do a search with the Checking account register in view, for 
> "paid" you will get no results, because there are no splits *assigned to 
> the Checking account* with that memo. The splits that have that memo, 
> are assigned (in this case) to Expenses:Utilities.
> 
> You can do the search from the Accounts page, and set additional 
> criteria as needed to refine the search.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 4/7/23 5:57 AM, Tute Terner wrote:
> > On 2023-04-05 07:18, Tute Terner wrote:
> >> /When I search in the Find dialog box using the Description field, 
> >> />/everything works. But when I search by the Memo field or the 
> >> />/'Description, Notes or Memo' field or the Action field the Search 
> >> />/Results always turn out empty, even though the search string is 
> >> present />/in the Memo or Action fields of some transactions.  I am 
> >> using Gnucash />/5.0 for Windows, but I have noticed this in some 
> >> previous versions too. />/Am I doing something incorrect or is this a 
> >> bug. I don't see that />/anybody has mentioned this behaviour in the 
> >> mailing list or in the bug />/list. Thank you. /
> > 
> > 
> > The specific search instance I had is this. I have a Gnucash file with 
> > accounts X, Y, and Z. X and Y have split Memo fields containing the 
> > search string 'paid'. I display account register X and search for 'paid' 
> > in the Memo field. Zero results. I then go to 'List of accounts' tree 
> > tab and search the same, using 'New Search' every time. I get results 
> > from both X and Y. So this works, but I don't want the result from Y.
> > 
> > So again I search from the accounts tree tab adding the 'and' condition 
> > of Account and set it to X. Again 0 results. I display account register 
> > Y and run the search on Memo field only. Again 0 results.
> > 
> > To make doubly sure I created a dummy gnucash file with accounts X, Y 
> > and Z as above. Same results. So looks like a bug to me.
> 
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[Patrick James via gnucash-user]

> On 07/21/2024 3:29 AM PDT Fred Bone  wrote:
> 
>  
> On 20 July 2024 at 6:19, Nate Bargmann said:
> 
> [...]
> > Already GNC's column layout is opposite of the
> > manual check registers I've been using for 40+ years and that leads to
> > mistakes in one or the other for me so the last thing that is needed is
> > more ambiguity.
> 
> Eh? I was brought up to believe that "debits on the left, credits on the 
> right" has been an accounting standard since Adam was a lad.
> 

When you make a bank deposit, you debit your asset account, but the bank 
credits your deposit account on its books (a liability account for the bank).

The shift from your books to the bank's books, from an asset account to 
liability account, from the left-hand side of the balance sheet equation to the 
right-hand side, is where the change in the normal balance took place.

There are plenty of philosophical discussions about people who rely on the bank 
to keep their books, and there are other discussions about what reconciliation 
means and how closely your books should match the bank's records, and this 
especially seems to be a topic of discussion when someone claims there is 
missing money.
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Re: [GNC] Tracking Unrealized Capital Gains

[Patrick James via gnucash-user]

I'm guessing your understanding of how to use GNUCash is sufficient to 
accomplish whatever is best for your situation. Your question is more about 
what's best for your situation, and while you did not mention it directly, you 
also want to make sure that the information that you get is worth the cost of 
obtaining it. Sometimes people have reasons for tracking things, but the 
information is not worth its cost.

If you're talking about substantial tax liability, then I suggest talking to 
someone who has the skill and knowledge to minimize your tax bill. That same 
person should be able to give some guidance as to how to best account based on 
your specific situation, including when your taxes will be owing and due.



> On 07/23/2024 2:57 PM PDT David Warren  wrote:
> 
> Everything should have a *reason *for tracking.  My reason is that if there
> are gains in certain of my investment accounts, I don't want my net worth
> to appear higher than it actually is, and I want to be prepared for large
> tax bills (high class problem) where I will need cash to pay the government
> when investment gains are ultimately realized.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any tips or realized practices...
> 
> David
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