Re: [GNC] Scary moment

[Robert Kesterson]

I don’t know what that content is, but I didn’t knowingly post a binary here 
(which is what that looks like).   Speaking of scary moments…

Anyway what I intended to post was something along the lines of this:

Since the OP mentions using Gnucash both as an application and as a CLI utility 
on multiple machines, is it possible that this is just a case of the file being 
open on more than one machine (or more than one process) at once?  If changes 
were made in one program but another program had the file open, it would be 
fairly easy for the one without the chnages to have overwritten the changes 
made on the other machine (or other process on the same machine)?


> On Dec 31, 2022, at 3:12 PM, Robert Kesterson  wrote:
> 
> TWF5YmUgaXQgaGFzIGJlZW4gYXNrZWQgYWxyZWFkeSwgYnV0IHdpdGggdGhlIGZpbGUgYmVpbmcg.
>  ……
> 

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Re: [GNC] Scary moment

[Robert Kesterson]

Maybe it has been asked already, but with the file being accessed from three 
separate machines, by a gui and by a CLI utility, are you sure it wasn’t open 
on two machine at once?  That would explain everything if one machine made the 
changes, but another machine (which didn’t have the changes) saved its copy of 
the file. 

> On Dec 31, 2022, at 11:52 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not boring. Well detailed, thanks!
> 
> It looks like that rules out file-access issues.
> 
> Okay, last gasp here:
> 
> For safety, I'd make 2 copies for testing.
> 
> 1. Update prices via GUI rather than CLI. Check if transactions disappear. 
> Exit, reopen, check again. Since you were running the CLI update on Linux, 
> perhaps I'd test that first.
> 
> 2. On a second copy, do the CLI update again. Check for missing transactions. 
> If so, you'd know this is repeatable.
> 
> If Both #1 & #2 corrupt data, then the issue is in the price update code.
> 
> If just #2, then it is something in gnucash-cli but not the GUI.
> 
> As I understand it, gnucash-cli is just a different interface to the same 
> code the GUI uses, but since there is not yet clear MVC separation, there 
> could be significant differences.
> 
> I'm sure someone else is using gnucash-cli for price updates. It is curious 
> that no one else has noticed, or is getting, data corruption.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
>> On 12/31/22 11:27 AM, R Losey wrote:
>> My data file is stored on a NAS device (with redundant disks). I've been
>> using GnuCash for seven years now, and have always kept it on the NAS and
>> have had no issues like this before.
>> My machines are three separate physical machines (I have an recent iMac, a
>> Windows 10 machine, and an older machine that runs Ubuntu). None of these
>> are VMs.
>> I never double-click on a file; I always start the GnuCash GUI and it
>> always loads the last file; I've been doing this for years, and it is the
>> only GnuCash file I have, so I'm absolutely certain that I am using the
>> same file.
>> I've never seen such a thing before, so I'm also very skeptical that the
>> gnucash-cli stock update script would erase register transactions.
>> To recap, here is a timeline {with comments}
>> *Fri*: Did the regular financial data-entry.  After finishing, I realized
>> that I forget to write a couple of checks to charities, so I wrote the
>> checks. {I believe that I also entered this into GnuCash, but it is
>> possible I forgot and would just pick it up next week; this doesn't tally
>> with notes I have in the checkbook and my own memory, but it is certainly
>> possible. If I did enter it at this time, it was on the iMac}
>> later (late Fri or Sat) Ran the gnucash-cli command to update stock quotes
>> on Linux - no errors
>> *Mon*: Ran stock quote update {and then felt foolish as I realized the
>> markets were closed Monday.} Discovered that it only fetches current data,
>> and should be run daily to get daily quotes.
>> *Tue*: Ran stock quote update (Linux)
>> Wed morning: Thought I'd update the Finance::Quote to 1.54 (I was running
>> 1.52). In case I had problems, I ran an update using 1.52. First update
>> failed because, while I had a C compiler installed (gcc), I did not have
>> make (gmake). Installed make, and the update worked. Ran another stock
>> update command and verified it is using 1.54
>> *Wed afternoon*: Did a preliminary check of where I stand with taxes. Ran
>> my YTD transaction report to get info. Noticed it stopped at the end of the
>> previous month. Changed config to end at end of current year. Re-ran
>> report. Started entering in data; noticed that charity checks from Friday
>> were missing. Assumed that I neglected to enter them, so I entered them.
>> Re-ran the report; they are showing up.
>> *Wed evening*: Ran stock update. Modified the gnc-fq-update perl script to
>> check for the existence of /usr/bin/make if running on Linux.
>> *Thu night*: ran stock update
>> *Friday morning*. Brought up GnuCash (Windows) to do regular data entry,
>> and noticed that the charity checks are missing again. Wondered if I was
>> somehow on an old data file. Looked at the directory where files are
>> stored; sorted by last modified - no indication of a second file, and the
>> GUI only has my standard file in the MRU list in the "File" Menu. Shut down
>> Windows GnuCash; went to iMac, brought up Gnucash - still missing, and the
>> automated entry made on the windows machine showed up, so they are pointing
>> to the same file. Ran the transaction report, and the data that was there
>> Wed was gone. Troubled, and thought about what could be different. Realized
>> that I have been running the stock update program, and decided to not run
>> it. Re-entered the charity checks, used the transaction report to verify it
>> was present; double-checked the balance to verify that I hadn't somehow
>> double-entered them. Shut down; back to Windows GnuCash: the checks are
>> there.
>> I've not run the stock update pr

Re: [GNC] Request for two new features in GnuCash

[Robert Kesterson]

Both of these are already possible.  I maintain two GnuCash files, and most 
often run both of them at the same time with two different instances of 
GnuCash.  You just have to tell it which file to open, either by using 
“File/Open” or with a command line argument.   I do this on a Mac with command 
line arguments in an Alfred workflow but you could do the same with a script on 
any platform.You could have as many as you like, not just two.   I have 
been doing this for years and have never had a single problem from running this 
way.  


As for multiple payment sources, just show the splits on the transaction and 
you can enter as many payment sources as you like for the transaction, each in 
a separate split entry.  


> On Aug 6, 2022, at 8:05 PM, Eric Hammond  wrote:
> 
> As I am getting more of my accounts completely into GnuCash I find the need 
> for two things:
> The first is the ability to have two separate (at least) GnuCash file 
> systems: one for my business and one for personal.
> My business is an LLC, and one legal requirement for that is there is no 
> co-mingling of money. 
> This gives me some protection from certain law suites and tax issues.
> 
> I found an almost-work-around: two folders for Gnucash accessed with 
> shortcuts that specified the target folder. It mostly worked, but was 
> unstable and unreliable.
> 
> The second is the ability to pay bills from more than one source. Example I 
> purchase an oscilloscope and pay for it with a cash incentive from the 
> company and a bank transfer for the rest. My solution at the present is not 
> pretty, nor helpful if I look at it next year.
> 
> Thank you for the great work!
> 
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Re: [GNC] [GNC-dev] GnuCash 4.10 Documentation and All-in-one Bundles

[Robert Kesterson]

Confirmed working here also, and also missing those icons.  The buttons and 
text are there and work fine, though, so it’s not impacting usability.

On 28 Mar 2022, at 23:59, David H wrote:

> Thanks John, working on both Monterey and Big Sur now.  Sorry to be the
> bearer of bad news but unfortunately now the first 7 icons no longer show
> up for Save / Close / Duplicate / Delete / Enter / Cancel / Blank and the
> last one for Reconcile, although the Split / Jump / Schedule / Transfer
> icons are there.
>
> Thanks also to you and the other GnuCash Developers / Translators / etc for
> all the hard work you put in on Gnucash which is a great product that I use
> daily and couldn't do without any more.
>
> Thanks David H.
>
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 13:23, John Ralls  wrote:
>
>> There was a problem with building the documentation caused by a bad merge
>> of the updated Portuguese translation of the Tutorial and Concept Guide,
>> resulting in the macOS and Windows all-in-one bundles to have only the
>> Portuguese translation.
>>
>> There were also some Gtk bugs in the macOS bundle.
>>
>> Consequently we have a re-release of the documentation as 4.10.1 and
>> updated bundles, gnucash-4.10-1.setup.exe and Gnucash-Intel-4.10-2.dmg. The
>> sha-256 hashes are:
>>
>> f9e27ce70b3a198f3766a598287c8f31d372ec7f19db251463d36895104fe0c7
>> gnucash-4.10-1.setup.exe
>> 6fc79d00c292e8672485207d0f4d04918efd9af63142695db8ec113d3e398aa6
>> Gnucash-Intel-4.10-2.dmg
>> 8f81dfbf13a49ec0ab676a82f8dde5b364658528df2ac41372d1e0fb68a8c231
>> gnucash-docs-4.10.1.tar.gz
>>
>> Sourceforge Links:
>>
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/4.10/gnucash-4.10-1.setup.exe/download
>>
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/4.10/Gnucash-Intel-4.10-2.dmg/download
>>
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/4.10/gnucash-docs-4.10.1.tar.gz/download
>>
>> Github Links:
>>
>> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/releases/download/4.10/gnucash-4.10-1.setup.exe
>>
>> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/releases/download/4.10/Gnucash-Intel-4.10-2.dmg
>>
>> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/releases/download/4.10/gnucash-docs-4.10.1.tar.gz
>>
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
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Re: [GNC] 4.10 cannot be opened on macOS Big Sur w/Apple Silicon

[Robert Kesterson]

I get the same behavior — it works fine as long as I don’t type anything in 
transfer column (which would search for and suggest a value to fill the field). 
 If I type in that field, it crashes immediately.  If I use the drop down menu, 
I can choose the account that way and it works fine.  It’s just the typing 
feature that kills it.

MacOS Monterey, Intel CPU.


On 28 Mar 2022, at 15:03, David H wrote:

> John,
>
> FYI it doesn't work for me on Monterey on an Intel based MacBook Pro.  It
> opens at least but when adding a new txn as soon as I type a single letter
> in the description Gnucash just disappears entirely :-(  On Big Sur it
> doesn't open just displays the error message reported by others.
>
> Cheers David H.
>
>
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 03:33, john  wrote:
>
>> This has been reported as https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798489
>>  
>> He's using Gnucash.app Sourceforge or Github, note the
>> /Applications/Gnucash.app.. paths. He just happens to also have MacPorts
>> installed.
>>
>> @executable_path is a Mac linker feature that creates paths relative to
>> the running executable, in this case
>> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash. .. means to back up one
>> level, so @executable_path/../Resources//lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib tells
>> the linker to look at
>> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib.
>> It's not linking the MacPorts version of libcairo-gobject.2.dylib.
>>
>> The error message is quite clear: "Incompatible library version:
>> libgtkmacintegration-gtk3.4.dylib requires version 11603.0.0 or later, but
>> libcairo-gobject.2.dylib provides version 2.0.0" and your otool checks bear
>> that out: (compatibility version 2.0.0, current version 2.0.0) vs.
>> (compatibility version 11603.0.0, current version 11603.0.0). The linker
>> would be happy if it was able to find the MacPorts libcairo-gobject,
>> because ((compatibility version 11707.0.0, current version 11707.0.0):
>> 11707 > 11603, but 2 isn't.
>>
>> It's strange that it works on Monterey, not that it fails on BigSur (and
>> earlier, as the bug reporter is using Catalina and another poster here is
>> using Mojave).
>>
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 28, 2022, at 9:51 AM, William Prescott 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you installing it with MacPorts? Or from the .dmg file on
>> SourceForge?
>>>
>>>
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/4.10/Gnucash-Intel-4.10-1.dmg/download
>> <
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20(stable)/4.10/Gnucash-Intel-4.10-1.dmg/download
>>>
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On 2022 Mar 28, at 03-28 10:33:09, John W. O'Brien via gnucash-user <
>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> It looks like this might be a bad interaction with software installed
>> via MacPorts, but I don't understand the versioning and dynamic loader well
>> enough to be sure or to do anything about it.
>>>
>>> $ otool -L
>> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib |
>> grep libcairo-gobject
>>>
>> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib:
>>>   @executable_path/../Resources//lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib
>> (compatibility version 2.0.0, current version 2.0.0)
>>> $ otool -L /opt/local/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib | grep
>> libcairo-gobject
>>> /opt/local/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib:
>>>   /opt/local/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib (compatibility version
>> 11707.0.0, current version 11707.0.0)
>>> $ otool -L
>> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libgtkmacintegration-gtk3.4.dylib
>> | grep libcairo-gobje
>>> ct
>>>   @executable_path/../Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib
>> (compatibility version 11603.0.0, current version 11603.0.0)
>>>
>>> On 3/28/22 10:25, William Prescott wrote:
 It ran fine on my MacBookPro M1 Max with Monterey.
 Will
 On 2022 Mar 28, at 03-28 08:03:09, John W. O'Brien via gnucash-user <
>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
 Good morning all,
 Congratulations on the new release.
 I am unable to run the new 4.10 on my MacBook Air (M1, 2020) with Big
>> Sur (11.6.5). 4.9 has been running fine, as recently as this morning.
 The essence of the crash log is:
 
 Termination Reason:DYLD, [0x3] Wrong version
 Application Specific Information:
 dyld: launch, loading dependent libraries
 Dyld Error Message:
 Library not loaded:
>> @executable_path/../Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib
 Referenced from:
>> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libgtkmacintegration-gtk3.4.dylib
 Reason: Incompatible library version: libgtkmacintegration-gtk3.4.dylib
>> requires version 11603.0.0 or later, but libcairo-gobject.2.dylib provides
>> version 2.0.0
 
 Full log is available on request.
 What else could I do to diagnose and resolve this?
 Thank you,
 John
 

Re: [GNC] Don't get this at all

[Robert Kesterson]

How else could you do it?   If you import a transaction from your bank or 
credit card, the only thing it has is the total amount.   It doesn’t tell you 
how much of that amount was tax, and how much was the product.  If you bought 
three things in a single transaction (each of which might affect different 
expense accounts), it won’t tell you how much each item was, only the total.  
Your bank or credit card company doesnt even *have* the details of the 
transaction to give you.  That information only exists, if at all, at the 
vendor where you made the purchase, and there’s no way to import that.  

There’s also no way to automatically calculate it in software, because again, 
there can be multiple different items involved in a transaction, and there can 
be different tax rates on the different items. 

So yes, if you want that level of detail, you’re going to have to type it in 
manually.  This is going to be true in any accounting software, and even in 
your spreadsheet. 

> On Feb 1, 2022, at 1:47 AM, Don Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Well, I guess it isn't for me. I think computers should save people time. If 
> I need to open my bank page in my browser and copy the transactions manually 
> into Gnucash  and make a bill, post it, and pay it  for every packet of 
> paperclips  doesn't work for me.
> 
> Or I have to manually split each transaction and work out how much sales tax 
> is involved? I wonder if I still have a calculator in a drawer somewhere. Or 
> an adding machine? Can you still get the little rolls of paper for them? 
> Where I come from, if we go to the store and pay $100, we'd have to multiply 
> by 3 and then divide by 23, to get tax of 13.04 on a net price of 86.96. The 
> receipt would be emailed and saved into a folder.
> 
> Sort of thing that would be easy to program, but I have to type that in to 
> get the GST? and I suppose 100 - 100*3/23 to get the net price. Simple.
> 
> Last time I had to do accounts, I used to think how much easier it would be 
> to be able to just down load the transactions instead of having to manually 
> enter everything and calculate the GST. Seems some things haven't changed.
> 
> Seriously, is this how you are still doing things? Retyping data from one 
> system to another?
> 
>> On 1/02/22 16:15, Derek Atkins wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>>> On Mon, January 31, 2022 8:54 pm, Don Robertson wrote:
>>> Hi - I have been looking at Gnucash for a while and would like to use it
>>> for my very simple business. But I am just finding it so complicated and
>>> counter intuitive I am thinking I might just use a spread sheet. Yes, it
>>> is that simple.
>>> 
>>> In the past I have used Quicken and MoneyWorks, so I am not a novice
>>> when it comes to double entry book-keeping or to paying sales tax and so
>>> forth.
>>> 
>>> So here is an example. I have set up a chart of accounts, and set up our
>>> sales tax rates, and two accounts - one for sales tax received and one
>>> for sales tax paid.
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, I went to the hardware and bought a cupboard to store our
>>> business material in. I have imported the transaction from the bank, and
>>> have debited the bank account and credited the appropriate expense
>>> account.
>>> 
>>> I just do not see any way to apply sales tax to the transaction. I have
>>> looked at the documentation, and it does not seem to me to say anything
>>> about this.
>>> 
>>> So okay. I add a bill, add a vendor, post the bill to accounts
>>> receivable. I don't want to do this everytime I buy a box of pencils,
>>> but fine. Now I do not see any way to say the bill has been paid by the
>>> transaction imported earlier. If I hit pay, it adds a new transaction.
>>> 
>>> Pretty much makes importing transactions a waste of time. Worse - it's
>>> completely pointless.
>>> 
>>> It seems to me that this is a pretty basic thing to do. Maybe I'm stupid
>>> or missing something but I can't see how this is supposed to be done.
>> The only time taxes are automatically computed from a Tax Table is via
>> Invoices and Bills.  For simple entries, it's easier to just enter the
>> amount by hand.
>> 
>> However, you can still record taxes when you enter a transaction. Just
>> make a split transaction.  For example, if you go to the store and buy a
>> cupboard for $100, and pay 5% tax, your total is $105.  So you would
>> credit your payment form (e.g. Liabilities:Credit Card) the full $105, and
>> then you would split that and debit Expenses:Cupboard $100 and
>> Expenses:Taxes Paid $5.
>> 
>> You can pull these numbers right off the receipt as you enter the
>> transaction into GnuCash.
>> 
>> You could also get GnuCash to compute it by typing:  100.00 * 0.05 into
>> the debit cell.
>> 
>> Hope this helps!
>> 
>> Happy GnuCashing.
>> 
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>> 
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Re: [GNC] Big problem GC 4.6 wiping history list? Mac OS Big Sur

[Robert Kesterson]

FYI I’m running GnuCash 4.6 on Big Sur and not having any issues.   All I did 
was download it, open the DMG, and drag the GnuCash icon into the applications 
folder.  It asked if I wanted to replace the existing version, I said yes, it 
installed, and has been working fine since. 

> On Jul 3, 2021, at 6:14 AM, Anita Graves  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> All I did to deserve this situation is download the latest version of GC 4.6 
> on my mac using OS Big Sur.  That is all I did.  Now GC crashes and gives me 
> the window you see.  
> 
> I back up to Time Machine but will that also include GC?  I haven’t checked 
> to see if I can find the file on Time Machine but I will do so.  Meanwhile, I 
> want to know if anyone else has experienced the same result from the simple 
> innocent download of GC onto Mac Big Sur.
> 
> Thanks to everyone for any help you can possibly give.  I even deleted the 
> GC4.6 and re-installed my 4.1 GC but I still receive the same as the attached 
> screenshot. 
> 
> For sure, I do not know what I did to deserve this!
> 
> Anita
> 
>>> On 1 Jul 2021, at 7:36 PM, John Ralls  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 28, 2021, at 11:52 PM, Anita Graves  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Please see the attached screenshot:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know what to do but I refuse to delete the file I need to work 
>>> with, or any of the other files in the history list.  This all happened to 
>>> me when I installed GC 4.6.  Before I was using 4.1.  Now, when I try to 
>>> import a log file it gives the same screen.   Then GC crashes!
>>> 
>>> I am afraid to wipe all my history and all my work!
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your help and suggestions.
>> 
>> Your screenshot didn't make it onto the list, but if GnuCash is asking if 
>> you want to delete a file from the history list that means that it can't 
>> find the file. You'll want to investigate why that is, but rest assured that 
>> GnuCash isn't offering to delete the file, just to remove it from the 
>> history list. 
>> 
>> For the crash, please open a bug and attach the crash report from Console. 
>> You can find instructions for finding the crash report at 
>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stack_Trace#MacOSX. Write out what you did 
>> leading up to the crash in the bug description.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>> 
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Re: [GNC] Open two files at once

[Robert Kesterson]

You are correct.  I just mistyped that part of it (looking at one 
screen, typing on another).  Thanks for catching it, and for updating 
the FAQ.  :)



On 24 Apr 2020, at 15:33, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

I have an unaltered installation of 3.10 and the proper path to the 
executable is:


/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash

If your system drive is case sensitive, then this will matter.

(I note that I had to use “.app” in the path in Terminal, while 
you did not. I’m not sure if this is different with Alfred or 
Automator)


I can attest that this procedure works on Catalina as well. I have it 
open with two data files right now using this method.


Regards,
Adrien

On Apr 24, 2020 w17d115, at 2:35 PM, Robert Kesterson 
 wrote:


OK try this instead.  In your shell do:

  /Applications/GnuCash/Contents/MacOS/GnuCash 
path_to_your_data_file_here.gnucash


That should still work for multiple instances too.  I just opened up 
my Alfred scripts and realized that’s actually how I’m doing it 
now too (I’m on Mojave as well).   That will hold your terminal 
open while it runs, btw.  If you want to detach it from the terminal, 
just end it with an ampersand.  Like so:


  /Applications/GnuCash/Contents/MacOS/GnuCash 
path_to_your_data_file_here.gnucash &


That will detach the Gnucash process and give the command prompt back 
right away.


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Re: [GNC] Open two files at once

[Robert Kesterson]

OK try this instead.  In your shell do:

   /Applications/GnuCash/Contents/MacOS/GnuCash 
path_to_your_data_file_here.gnucash


That should still work for multiple instances too.  I just opened up my 
Alfred scripts and realized that’s actually how I’m doing it now too 
(I’m on Mojave as well).   That will hold your terminal open while it 
runs, btw.  If you want to detach it from the terminal, just end it with 
an ampersand.  Like so:


   /Applications/GnuCash/Contents/MacOS/GnuCash 
path_to_your_data_file_here.gnucash &


That will detach the Gnucash process and give the command prompt back 
right away.



On 24 Apr 2020, at 13:39, John Morris wrote:

It would be very nice to be able to open two sets of books at the same 
time. Unfortunately, this procedure does not work on Mojave. When I 
issue this command in Terminal, GnuCash still tries to open the last 
opened file, which is, of course, still open as the first of the two 
documents I want opened. Yes, I did remember to change 
“your_data_file.gnucash” to the name of the second set of books I 
want open.


On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 10:15 AM Robert Kesterson 


wrote:

On MacOS, to run two instances simultaneously, open the first one in 
the

usual way, then for the second, open a shell and type:
   open -n /Applications/Gnucash.App your_data_file.gnucash

That assumes Gnucash is in the Applications folder.  Change
“your_data_file.gnucash” to the real path to the data file you 
want
to open in the second instance.  If you don’t specify that,  it 
will

try to open the last open file, which is already open in the first
instance.  That will give you an error about the file being locked,
which you have to cancel and then load the file you wanted for the
second instance instead.  Giving the filename on the command line 
avoids

that problem.

You can also make a script to do this so you don’t have to drop to 
the
shell every time.  I set up quick launch workflows in Alfred for 
mine so

it just takes couple of keystrokes to launch whatever set of books I
need, and they can all be open at once.



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Re: [GNC] Open two files at once

[Robert Kesterson]

On MacOS, to run two instances simultaneously, open the first one in the 
usual way, then for the second, open a shell and type:

open -n /Applications/Gnucash.App your_data_file.gnucash

That assumes Gnucash is in the Applications folder.  Change 
“your_data_file.gnucash” to the real path to the data file you want 
to open in the second instance.  If you don’t specify that,  it will 
try to open the last open file, which is already open in the first 
instance.  That will give you an error about the file being locked, 
which you have to cancel and then load the file you wanted for the 
second instance instead.  Giving the filename on the command line avoids 
that problem.


You can also make a script to do this so you don’t have to drop to the 
shell every time.  I set up quick launch workflows in Alfred for mine so 
it just takes couple of keystrokes to launch whatever set of books I 
need, and they can all be open at once.



On 24 Apr 2020, at 9:58, Derek Atkins wrote:


HI,

GnuCash doesn't allow multiple data files to be open.
Do do what you want you need two instances of GnuCash running in 
parallel.

How you do that is definitely OS specific.

I honestly don't know if MacOS allows you to run two instances
simultaneously.

-derek


On Fri, April 24, 2020 10:51 am, Eric Beversluis wrote:

I’m running GnuCash 3.7 on Mac 10.12.6.

I can’t figure out how to open two files at once. I need to copy 
entries
from my LLC acct to my personal account, but when I have the LLC 
GnuCash

file open I can’t get the personal LLC file open.

What’s the trick? When I click on the file under GnuCash->File, it 
closes
the first file. WHen I try to open it from the Finder, nothing 
happens.


I know I’ve done that in the past, when I was operating on a Linux 
box.


Eric Beversluis
Short fiction at www.ericbeversluis.com

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Re: [GNC] GNUCash becoming unusable ..v3.4

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How is your system memory?  GnuCash loads all the data in memory (even if you 
use the SQL backend) so it needs some room to breathe.  I have easily ten years 
of data in my file (and I categorize and track everything at a level that few 
people would, so I have *lots* of splits), and I don’t experience the slowness 
or scrolling issues that you mention.  But then I have 32 GB of memory.  The 
problems you describe sound like what I would expect of memory was low and the 
system was using swap space a lot. 

> On Feb 1, 2019, at 2:34 AM, Jamestk  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, there are other small issues creeping in which makes me think the
> program is becoming unstable.
> 
> Example, when browsing the account tree menu the cursor hangs then jumps
> after a delay to where you are pointing, this only happens when there is a
> data file loaded.
> 
> When reconciling an account if auto save starts then it can really take an
> age, i don't tend to time this as go and do something else in between. 
> 
> I generally don't run full ledgers either but selected 'all accounts'' by
> mistake while editing options.
> 
> My guess is the core code is designed for Linux, porting across to Windows
> may not be ideal?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jeff Abrahamson wrote
>> I've been doing reports with python scripts (not an officially supported
>> technique, also requires the backend be sqlite, which is easy).  My
>> reports run in a snap.  That said, maybe I have less data than you.
>> 
>> Jeff Abrahamson
>> http://p27.eu/jeff/
>> http://transport-nantes.com/
>> 
>>> On 01/02/2019 09:07, Jamestk wrote:
>>> *First of all thank you to all of the contributors, devs who have
>>> volunteered
>>> to make GNUCash freely available.  *  
>>> 
>>> That said, I do need to ask if any improvements are likely on the speed
>>> front. Basic reports take 1 - 2 minutes to run, larger ledger reports up
>>> to
>>> 15 minutes. I have tried all of the tweaks mentioned on here but with
>>> little
>>> difference, if any.
>>> 
>>> Its always puzzled me how crunching numbers requires so much time and
>>> resources, its more intensive than rendering images. Changing even the
>>> report title takes the same amount of time, i.e no number crunching? 
>>> 
>>> My set-up isn't complicated, yes accounts go back 10 years but that in
>>> itself is not a large number of transactions overall.
>>> 
>>> Sorry to moan but I need to make a decision about what to do.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [GNC] gnucash won't start on Mac

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If you don’t have multiple monitors then that setting probably doesn’t appear. 
It is only used for how to handle the second monitor.  I guess it’s something 
else happening in your case. 

> On Oct 10, 2018, at 7:37 AM, Leslie Jensen  wrote:
> 
> Den ons 10 okt. 2018 kl 14:06 skrev Robert Kesterson :
>> 
>> Do you have multiple monitors?  The latest version would not open for me
>> on my multi-monitor Mac at first either.  From looking at the crash
>> reports, I surmised that it was trying to get a screen size or something
>> and failing.  On a hunch, I turned off “displays have separate
>> spaces” in my system preferences, logged out and back in, then started
>> GnuCash.  It opened fine.  I then re-enabled “displays have separate
>> spaces”, logged out and back in, and GnuCash has worked fine ever
>> since.
>> 
>>> On 10 Oct 2018, at 6:31, Leslie Jensen wrote:
>>> 
>>> Den ons 10 okt. 2018 kl 12:57 skrev Frederick Bambrough
>>> :
>>>> 
>>>> On 10 October 2018 11:26:22 BST, Leslie Jensen
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just downloaded gnucash for Mac latest version. When I try to
>>>>> start
>>>>> the program I get the normal warning of it not being a known
>>>>> program.
>>>>> I click open and then nothing happens.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm using MacOS Mojave 10.14
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
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>>>> I'm still on High Sierra but have noticed a change in behaviour. In
>>>> this situation I find that if I click on the app a second time after
>>>> selecting 'open', it will run normally thereafter.
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>>> Hi Fred
>>> 
>>> Thanks for answering :-)
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately it's not the case here. It doesn't matter how many times
>>> I start the program. After the warning it just goes away. I can't see
>>> any process in the Activity monitor either.
>>> 
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> Hi Robert
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> No! One screen only with four desktops! I'm not able to find the
> setting you're referring to. Will you give me some more detail on
> where to find it?
> 
> Thanks :-)
> 
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Re: [GNC] gnucash won't start on Mac

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Do you have multiple monitors?  The latest version would not open for me 
on my multi-monitor Mac at first either.  From looking at the crash 
reports, I surmised that it was trying to get a screen size or something 
and failing.  On a hunch, I turned off “displays have separate 
spaces” in my system preferences, logged out and back in, then started 
GnuCash.  It opened fine.  I then re-enabled “displays have separate 
spaces”, logged out and back in, and GnuCash has worked fine ever 
since.


On 10 Oct 2018, at 6:31, Leslie Jensen wrote:


Den ons 10 okt. 2018 kl 12:57 skrev Frederick Bambrough
:


On 10 October 2018 11:26:22 BST, Leslie Jensen 
 wrote:

Hi

I just downloaded gnucash for Mac latest version. When I try to 
start
the program I get the normal warning of it not being a known 
program.

I click open and then nothing happens.

I'm using MacOS Mojave 10.14

Thanks

Les
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I'm still on High Sierra but have noticed a change in behaviour. In 
this situation I find that if I click on the app a second time after 
selecting 'open', it will run normally thereafter.

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Hi Fred

Thanks for answering :-)

Unfortunately it's not the case here. It doesn't matter how many times
I start the program. After the warning it just goes away. I can't see
any process in the Activity monitor either.

Les
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Re: [GNC] Repeatable Mac crash

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On 30 Sep 2018, at 9:06, John Ralls wrote:


… >
Since you’re running two instances of GnuCash it’s likely that the 
trace file will be garbled, so if you could use the following from the 
command line instead:
  /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash 
--logto=~/gnucash.trace
That will create a separate trace file in your user directory that you 
can also attach to the bug report. You could even add the file path 
for the file you really want to open to the end of that and save 
yourself the “can’t get the lock” drill.


It appears that this works around the issue.  I did as you suggested and 
launched with the binary rather than the app package, and I gave it the 
alternate log location and specified the path to open on the command 
line.   Since this is a pretty long command line that I don’t want to 
type often, I saved it as an executable shell script, one for each set 
of books.  Now when I run them both, they both run.  No crash. Should I 
still run them the old way and file a bug?  The workaround seems 
reliable, and I’m happy…

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[GNC] Repeatable Mac crash

[Robert Kesterson]

I’ve been using GnuCash forever, running the 2.x series up until a 
couple of months ago on Mac High Sierra.  I routinely have two instances 
of Gnucash running — one personal and one business.  A couple of 
months ago I updated to GnuCash 3.2.  Since then I have a 100% 
repeatable crash scenario that I wonder if anyone knows how to solve.


When I open Gnucash, it opens the last file I had open, which is great.  
Then I start the second instance from a terminal with “open -n 
/Applications/GnuCash.app” and it starts up.  Since the most recent 
file is already open, it will complain that it can’t get the lock and 
ask what I want to do.  Since there isn’t an “open a different 
file” option, I hit the button to create a new file.  Gnucash opens.  
Then I pull down the recent files menu and select my other file (for 
example, if personal is open, I select the business file).  Gnucash will 
ask if I want to save the empty set of accounts it created a moment ago. 
 I say no, and it reads my second file.


The moment the second file finishes reading (the progress bar moves all 
the way across), Gnucash crashes.  This is 100% repeatable — happens 
this way every single time, no matter which file I have open first or 
second.


I can then run the second instance again, and the other file will have 
now moved to the position of most recent file opened, and it will open 
automatically.  It will complain that it is locked (since it crashed 
without removing it), and I tell it to ignore it and it will run fine.


Again, this is 100% repeatable.  If there is a known fix, I’d love to 
hear it.  If not, what can I do to help track this down so it can get 
fixed?

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