subject:"Re\: \[GNC\] \"Non\-sticky\" scroll bars in gnucash registers"


On 2/5/19 4:21 PM, Robert Heller wrote:


*Part*  of what is going on is the whole "touch screen" mania, coupled with a
bitofscroll-wheelmania.ManyUI people (the ones making design choices for
thevariouswidgetlibraries,includingGTK3), seem to feel that nobody really
is (should?) be using their mice to access scrollbars. They really should be
using their fingers on their touch screen (everybody is using a touch screen,
right? I mean clunky things like keyboards and mice are so arcane now). Or if
they still have a mouse, they are using their scroll wheel and not really
needing a scrollbar...



So that's what they're "thinking"!

Hmm.  My checking account ledger (2 years old) must have at least 50 
entries a month., so about 1200 entries.


My mouse has a scroll wheel.  I never use it.  It takes twenty or so 
rotations of the scroll wheel (or that part which is showing) for me to 
go from bottom to top.  Whereas with the scroll bar, I go from top to 
bottom in one sweep.



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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Geert Janssens

Op dinsdag 5 februari 2019 22:10:52 CET schreef Jack Slater:
> I have! Hate it. Will it be fixed?

That's gtk decision, not a gnucash one.

However you can change it on your system if you like:
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GTK3#Scrollbars

Regards,

Geert


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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Robert Heller

At Tue, 5 Feb 2019 15:08:37 -0600 David Carlson  
wrote:

> 
> I was not trying to assign any blame or credit for the new scrollbars.
> IIRC I first saw one in a GTK3 application, and I was definitely upset by
> not having a page up page down function on my mouse.  If you have not seen
> that yet, you eventually will.


*Part* of what is going on is the whole "touch screen" mania, coupled with a 
bitofscroll-wheelmania.ManyUI people (the ones making design choices for 
thevariouswidgetlibraries,includingGTK3), seem to feel that nobody really
is (should?) be using their mice to access scrollbars. They really should be
using their fingers on their touch screen (everybody is using a touch screen,
right? I mean clunky things like keyboards and mice are so arcane now). Or if
they still have a mouse, they are using their scroll wheel and not really
needing a scrollbar...


> 
> David Carlson
> 
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:02 PM Colin Law  wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 20:17, Steve Cohen  wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/5/19 2:04 PM, David Carlson wrote:
> >> > GTK3 as default rather than GTK2.  I think those scroll bars first
> >> > appeared there but they seem to be becoming as fashionable as useless
> >> > 'antique' bathroom sinks.
> >> >
> >>
> >> While I appreciate and think I agree with the thrust of your comment,
> >> I'm not actually understanding what you mean.  Are you saying that GTK3
> >> renders scrollbars useless?  And why does GnuCash seem to be unique in
> >> how it handles this (at least among the applications I use)?
> >>
> >
> > This is yet another red herring.  I have never seen the symptom you
> > describe and I have been using Gnucash on Ubuntu for years.
> >
> > I think it would be worth eliminating the Wayland issue (though I don't
> > think it is likely to be the cause). Wayland is planned to be a replacement
> > for the X windowing s/w but it isn't really ready for general use yet. I
> > don't remember exactly what the login screen looked like on 18.04, but if
> > you logout then on the panel with your user name there may be a settings
> > icon, or possibly an Ubuntu icon and if you click that it will give you
> > some selections.  If not there then on the screen where you enter your
> > password.  First see what is marked as selected already.  You want one that
> > says Ubuntu on X or maybe just Ubuntu, but doesn't mention Wayland.  If you
> > are not sure then come back with the options available.
> >
> > Colin
> >
> >
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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers


On 2/5/19 3:42 PM, Colin Law wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 21:20, Steve Cohen > wrote:


...
Getting rid of this file ~/.config/gtk-3.0.gtk.css which I had created
and restarting the system got me back the awful scroll bar behavior I
had instantly hated as soon as I installed 18.04.


The bars are much improved on Ubuntu 18.10, if you are not restricted to 
LTS versions.


Colin


It's a personal system, no restrictions, but the upgrade process is one 
I tend to avoid unless absolutely necessary.  Can you upgrade 
18.04-18.10 in place, or does it require a reinstallation of everything? 
 Will my GnuCash need to be rebuilt?


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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 21:20, Steve Cohen  wrote:

> ...
> Getting rid of this file ~/.config/gtk-3.0.gtk.css which I had created
> and restarting the system got me back the awful scroll bar behavior I
> had instantly hated as soon as I installed 18.04.
>

The bars are much improved on Ubuntu 18.10, if you are not restricted to
LTS versions.

Colin
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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

On 2/5/19 3:02 PM, Colin Law wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 20:17, Steve Cohen > wrote:

On 2/5/19 2:04 PM, David Carlson wrote:
> GTK3 as default rather than GTK2. I think those scroll bars first
> appeared there but they seem to be becoming as fashionable as
useless
> 'antique' bathroom sinks.
>

While I appreciate and think I agree with the thrust of your comment,
I'm not actually understanding what you mean. Are you saying that GTK3
renders scrollbars useless? And why does GnuCash seem to be unique in
how it handles this (at least among the applications I use)?

This is yet another red herring. I have never seen the symptom you
describe and I have been using Gnucash on Ubuntu for years.

I think it would be worth eliminating the Wayland issue (though I don't
think it is likely to be the cause). Wayland is planned to be a
replacement for the X windowing s/w but it isn't really ready for
general use yet. I don't remember exactly what the login screen looked
like on 18.04, but if you logout then on the panel with your user name
there may be a settings icon, or possibly an Ubuntu icon and if you
click that it will give you some selections. If not there then on the
screen where you enter your password. First see what is marked as
selected already. You want one that says Ubuntu on X or maybe just
Ubuntu, but doesn't mention Wayland. If you are not sure then come back
with the options available.

Colin

Uh, no, it isn't a red herring exactly, but it's not a problem in the
factory version of Ubuntu 18.04.

I found the problem: I was looking in the wrong place. After reading
more carefully the page
https://askubuntu.com/questions/775201/how-do-i-get-a-bigger-static-scrollbar-aka-normal-scrollbar
,
I realize that the change I had made to
/usr/share/themes/Ambiance/gtk-3.0/gtk-widgets.css was irrelevant and
does nothing. Instead, there was a second answer from that page that I
had followed: https://askubuntu.com/a/908584/310274 . This had me add a
file ~/.config/gtk-3.0.gtk.css with some configuration that made the
scroll bar more to my liking.

Getting rid of this file ~/.config/gtk-3.0.gtk.css which I had created
and restarting the system got me back the awful scroll bar behavior I
had instantly hated as soon as I installed 18.04. However, scroll bars
now work correctly in GNUCash. GnuCash seems to be coded to the stock
implementation, and it must be hard for the coders to handle all these
hacks seamlessly. What a mess. But glad I understand the problem (sort
of).

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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

On 2/5/19 2:37 PM, David Carlson wrote:
Ok, I was traveling last week and it seems like motels are switching to 
bathroom sinks that sit on top of the counter, with plumbing that looks 
like the old fashioned hand water pump and bowl arrangement, thus are 
automatically 8 " higher and further back, leaving no room for 
toothbrush charger, hand towel (no towel hanger either) soap dish etc.

Scrollbars are not actually completely useless but close in this new 
form.  Sometimes it is hard to make them appear and if you click 
somewhere above or below the slider the window slides up proportional to 
where you clicked instead of one page.  Thus there is no longer a 'page 
up' 'page down' function with the mouse button.  That gets very annoying 
when reading a long document.

David Carlson

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 2:17 PM Steve Cohen > wrote:

On 2/5/19 2:04 PM, David Carlson wrote:
 > GTK3 as default rather than GTK2.  I think those scroll bars first
 > appeared there but they seem to be becoming as fashionable as
useless
 > 'antique' bathroom sinks.
 >

While I appreciate and think I agree with the thrust of your comment,
I'm not actually understanding what you mean.  Are you saying that GTK3
renders scrollbars useless?  And why does GnuCash seem to be unique in
how it handles this (at least among the applications I use)?

Gotcha.  Seems like another instance of "if it isn't needed on the 
smartphone, we can forget about it on the desktop."  Scroll bars, so 
five minutes ago.

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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Jack Slater

I have! Hate it. Will it be fixed?

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:09 PM David Carlson 
wrote:

> I was not trying to assign any blame or credit for the new scrollbars.
> IIRC I first saw one in a GTK3 application, and I was definitely upset by
> not having a page up page down function on my mouse.  If you have not seen
> that yet, you eventually will.
>
> David Carlson
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:02 PM Colin Law  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 20:17, Steve Cohen  wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/5/19 2:04 PM, David Carlson wrote:
> >> > GTK3 as default rather than GTK2.  I think those scroll bars first
> >> > appeared there but they seem to be becoming as fashionable as useless
> >> > 'antique' bathroom sinks.
> >> >
> >>
> >> While I appreciate and think I agree with the thrust of your comment,
> >> I'm not actually understanding what you mean.  Are you saying that GTK3
> >> renders scrollbars useless?  And why does GnuCash seem to be unique in
> >> how it handles this (at least among the applications I use)?
> >>
> >
> > This is yet another red herring.  I have never seen the symptom you
> > describe and I have been using Gnucash on Ubuntu for years.
> >
> > I think it would be worth eliminating the Wayland issue (though I don't
> > think it is likely to be the cause). Wayland is planned to be a
> replacement
> > for the X windowing s/w but it isn't really ready for general use yet. I
> > don't remember exactly what the login screen looked like on 18.04, but if
> > you logout then on the panel with your user name there may be a settings
> > icon, or possibly an Ubuntu icon and if you click that it will give you
> > some selections.  If not there then on the screen where you enter your
> > password.  First see what is marked as selected already.  You want one
> that
> > says Ubuntu on X or maybe just Ubuntu, but doesn't mention Wayland.  If
> you
> > are not sure then come back with the options available.
> >
> > Colin
> >
> >
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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread David Carlson

I was not trying to assign any blame or credit for the new scrollbars.
IIRC I first saw one in a GTK3 application, and I was definitely upset by
not having a page up page down function on my mouse.  If you have not seen
that yet, you eventually will.

David Carlson

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:02 PM Colin Law  wrote:

> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 20:17, Steve Cohen  wrote:
>
>> On 2/5/19 2:04 PM, David Carlson wrote:
>> > GTK3 as default rather than GTK2.  I think those scroll bars first
>> > appeared there but they seem to be becoming as fashionable as useless
>> > 'antique' bathroom sinks.
>> >
>>
>> While I appreciate and think I agree with the thrust of your comment,
>> I'm not actually understanding what you mean.  Are you saying that GTK3
>> renders scrollbars useless?  And why does GnuCash seem to be unique in
>> how it handles this (at least among the applications I use)?
>>
>
> This is yet another red herring.  I have never seen the symptom you
> describe and I have been using Gnucash on Ubuntu for years.
>
> I think it would be worth eliminating the Wayland issue (though I don't
> think it is likely to be the cause). Wayland is planned to be a replacement
> for the X windowing s/w but it isn't really ready for general use yet. I
> don't remember exactly what the login screen looked like on 18.04, but if
> you logout then on the panel with your user name there may be a settings
> icon, or possibly an Ubuntu icon and if you click that it will give you
> some selections.  If not there then on the screen where you enter your
> password.  First see what is marked as selected already.  You want one that
> says Ubuntu on X or maybe just Ubuntu, but doesn't mention Wayland.  If you
> are not sure then come back with the options available.
>
> Colin
>
>
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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 20:17, Steve Cohen  wrote:

> On 2/5/19 2:04 PM, David Carlson wrote:
> > GTK3 as default rather than GTK2.  I think those scroll bars first
> > appeared there but they seem to be becoming as fashionable as useless
> > 'antique' bathroom sinks.
> >
>
> While I appreciate and think I agree with the thrust of your comment,
> I'm not actually understanding what you mean.  Are you saying that GTK3
> renders scrollbars useless?  And why does GnuCash seem to be unique in
> how it handles this (at least among the applications I use)?
>

This is yet another red herring.  I have never seen the symptom you
describe and I have been using Gnucash on Ubuntu for years.

I think it would be worth eliminating the Wayland issue (though I don't
think it is likely to be the cause). Wayland is planned to be a replacement
for the X windowing s/w but it isn't really ready for general use yet. I
don't remember exactly what the login screen looked like on 18.04, but if
you logout then on the panel with your user name there may be a settings
icon, or possibly an Ubuntu icon and if you click that it will give you
some selections.  If not there then on the screen where you enter your
password.  First see what is marked as selected already.  You want one that
says Ubuntu on X or maybe just Ubuntu, but doesn't mention Wayland.  If you
are not sure then come back with the options available.

Colin
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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread David Carlson

Ok, I was traveling last week and it seems like motels are switching to
bathroom sinks that sit on top of the counter, with plumbing that looks
like the old fashioned hand water pump and bowl arrangement, thus are
automatically 8 " higher and further back, leaving no room for toothbrush
charger, hand towel (no towel hanger either) soap dish etc.

Scrollbars are not actually completely useless but close in this new form.
Sometimes it is hard to make them appear and if you click somewhere above
or below the slider the window slides up proportional to where you clicked
instead of one page.  Thus there is no longer a 'page up' 'page down'
function with the mouse button.  That gets very annoying when reading a
long document.

David Carlson

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 2:17 PM Steve Cohen  wrote:

> On 2/5/19 2:04 PM, David Carlson wrote:
> > GTK3 as default rather than GTK2.  I think those scroll bars first
> > appeared there but they seem to be becoming as fashionable as useless
> > 'antique' bathroom sinks.
> >
>
> While I appreciate and think I agree with the thrust of your comment,
> I'm not actually understanding what you mean.  Are you saying that GTK3
> renders scrollbars useless?  And why does GnuCash seem to be unique in
> how it handles this (at least among the applications I use)?
>
>
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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers


On 2/5/19 2:04 PM, David Carlson wrote:
GTK3 as default rather than GTK2.  I think those scroll bars first 
appeared there but they seem to be becoming as fashionable as useless 
'antique' bathroom sinks.




While I appreciate and think I agree with the thrust of your comment, 
I'm not actually understanding what you mean.  Are you saying that GTK3 
renders scrollbars useless?  And why does GnuCash seem to be unique in 
how it handles this (at least among the applications I use)?


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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread David Carlson

If you are using release 18.04 the default desktop was switched from Unity
to Gnome and that Gnome probably uses GTK3 as default rather than GTK2.  I
think those scroll bars first appeared there but they seem to be becoming
as fashionable as useless 'antique' bathroom sinks.

David Carlson

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 1:47 PM Steve Cohen  wrote:

> I fear that the main thread of this issue has been lost due to the
> irrelevant side issue raised about Windows.
>
> Below is the latest real message in this thread (in response to Colin Law):
>
> I was surprised to see 3.900 myself but that's what the About screen
> tells me:
>
> Version: 3.900
> Build ID: git 3.1-100-geb67baba5+ (2018-06-03)
> Finance::Quote: 1.47
>
> I am running the standard gnome version of Ubuntu with the exception of
> a change I made to get a wider scrollbar per:
>
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/775201/how-do-i-get-a-bigger-static-scrollbar-aka-normal-scrollbar
>
> I think I the only change I made was changing
>   -GtkRange-slider-width: 16;
> to
>   -GtkRange-slider-width: 25;
>
>
> However, this problem has been with me since gnucash v 2.x.x and on a
> previous version of Ubuntu where I hadn't messed with the scroll bar width.
>
> As for "X or Wayland" I don't know.  I am using whatever Ubuntu 18.04
> ships with out of the box.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/5/19 11:29 AM, Steve Cohen wrote:
> > I was surprised to see 3.900 myself but that's what the About screen
> > tells me:
> >
> > Version: 3.900
> > Build ID: git 3.1-100-geb67baba5+ (2018-06-03)
> > Finance::Quote: 1.47
> >
> > I am running the standard gnome version of Ubuntu with the exception of
> > a change I made to get a wider scrollbar per:
> >
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/775201/how-do-i-get-a-bigger-static-scrollbar-aka-normal-scrollbar
> > .  I think I the only change I made was changing
> >  -GtkRange-slider-width: 16;
> > to
> >  -GtkRange-slider-width: 25;
> >
> >
> > However, this problem has been with me since gnucash v 2.x.x and on a
> > previous version of Ubuntu where I hadn't messed with the scroll bar
> width.
> >
> > As for "X or Wayland" I don't know.  I am using whatever ubuntu ships
> > with out of the box.
> >
> >
> > On 2/5/19 11:07 AM, Colin Law wrote:
> >> I am not seeing any problems on Ubuntu 18.10 running GC 3.4.  Confused
> >> by the fact you say you are running 3.900 as I think 3.4 is the latest.
> >>
> >> Are you running the standard (Gnome) version of Ubuntu?  Are you using
> >> X or Wayland? That should be selectable from logon screen.  I am
> >> running X.
> >>
> >> Colin
> >>
> >> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 16:55, Steve Cohen  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> For two years something seemed not quite right about the use of
> >> scroll
> >> bars in Gnucash register windows, but I always just "lived with it"
> >> in a
> >> state of vague , not quite conscious annoyance.
> >>
> >> I have finally put my finger on the problem.
> >>
> >> When I click in the scroller and move my mouse, whenever the mouse
> >> leaves the scroll bar area the display snaps back to where it was
> >> before
> >> the scroll operation.  I initially tried to carefully keep the mouse
> >> within the scroll bar area, and that does prevent the display from
> >> snapping back - but my new ephiphany is this:  If I do manage not to
> >> stray from the bounds of the scroll bar before releasing the mouse
> >> button, then the display stays where my scrolling action left it
> BUT,
> >> the moment I subsequently move the mouse out of the scroll bar area,
> >> the
> >> display snaps to its previous position.  In particular this makes it
> >> impossible to edit an entry that was out of the visible scrolling
> >> area
> >> but became visible after scrolling, as it is gone before I can click
> >> it.
> >>The only way to get to a row not visible is by using the arrow
> >> keys or
> >> PgUp, PgDown.  Ironically, pressing those keys does move the
> >> scroller.
> >>
> >> I am running GNUCash version 3.900, which I built from source on
> >> 2018-06-03 on Ubuntu 18.04.
> >>
> >> This is highly irritating and non-standard behavior, I think.  Other
> >> apps do not handle scrolling this way, such as the Thunderbird Mail
> >> inbox, Libre Office Calc, etc.  I was not able to find a setting
> that
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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

2019-02-05 Thread Geert Janssens

Op dinsdag 5 februari 2019 20:45:55 CET schreef Steve Cohen:
> I fear that the main thread of this issue has been lost due to the
> irrelevant side issue raised about Windows.
> 
> Below is the latest real message in this thread (in response to Colin Law):
> 
> I was surprised to see 3.900 myself but that's what the About screen
> tells me:
> 
> Version: 3.900
> Build ID: git 3.1-100-geb67baba5+ (2018-06-03)
> Finance::Quote: 1.47
> 
That means this gnucash was built from the master branch instead of the maint 
branch. I don't know where you got it, but master is intended for new 
development, not user oriented builds. You may want to ask your package source 
for details.

That aside I don't think it will affect scrollbar behavior. There are no 
relevant changes in that area between the two branches.

Regards,

Geert


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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

I fear that the main thread of this issue has been lost due to the 
irrelevant side issue raised about Windows.


Below is the latest real message in this thread (in response to Colin Law):

I was surprised to see 3.900 myself but that's what the About screen
tells me:

Version: 3.900
Build ID: git 3.1-100-geb67baba5+ (2018-06-03)
Finance::Quote: 1.47

I am running the standard gnome version of Ubuntu with the exception of
a change I made to get a wider scrollbar per:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/775201/how-do-i-get-a-bigger-static-scrollbar-aka-normal-scrollbar 


I think I the only change I made was changing
 -GtkRange-slider-width: 16;
to
 -GtkRange-slider-width: 25;


However, this problem has been with me since gnucash v 2.x.x and on a
previous version of Ubuntu where I hadn't messed with the scroll bar width.

As for "X or Wayland" I don't know.  I am using whatever Ubuntu 18.04 
ships with out of the box.






On 2/5/19 11:29 AM, Steve Cohen wrote:
I was surprised to see 3.900 myself but that's what the About screen 
tells me:


Version: 3.900
Build ID: git 3.1-100-geb67baba5+ (2018-06-03)
Finance::Quote: 1.47

I am running the standard gnome version of Ubuntu with the exception of 
a change I made to get a wider scrollbar per: 
https://askubuntu.com/questions/775201/how-do-i-get-a-bigger-static-scrollbar-aka-normal-scrollbar 
.  I think I the only change I made was changing

     -GtkRange-slider-width: 16;
to
     -GtkRange-slider-width: 25;


However, this problem has been with me since gnucash v 2.x.x and on a 
previous version of Ubuntu where I hadn't messed with the scroll bar width.


As for "X or Wayland" I don't know.  I am using whatever ubuntu ships 
with out of the box.



On 2/5/19 11:07 AM, Colin Law wrote:
I am not seeing any problems on Ubuntu 18.10 running GC 3.4.  Confused 
by the fact you say you are running 3.900 as I think 3.4 is the latest.


Are you running the standard (Gnome) version of Ubuntu?  Are you using 
X or Wayland? That should be selectable from logon screen.  I am 
running X.


Colin

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 16:55, Steve Cohen > wrote:


    For two years something seemed not quite right about the use of 
scroll

    bars in Gnucash register windows, but I always just "lived with it"
    in a
    state of vague , not quite conscious annoyance.

    I have finally put my finger on the problem.

    When I click in the scroller and move my mouse, whenever the mouse
    leaves the scroll bar area the display snaps back to where it was
    before
    the scroll operation.  I initially tried to carefully keep the mouse
    within the scroll bar area, and that does prevent the display from
    snapping back - but my new ephiphany is this:  If I do manage not to
    stray from the bounds of the scroll bar before releasing the mouse
    button, then the display stays where my scrolling action left it BUT,
    the moment I subsequently move the mouse out of the scroll bar area,
    the
    display snaps to its previous position.  In particular this makes it
    impossible to edit an entry that was out of the visible scrolling 
area

    but became visible after scrolling, as it is gone before I can click
    it.
   The only way to get to a row not visible is by using the arrow
    keys or
    PgUp, PgDown.  Ironically, pressing those keys does move the 
scroller.


    I am running GNUCash version 3.900, which I built from source on
    2018-06-03 on Ubuntu 18.04.

    This is highly irritating and non-standard behavior, I think.  Other
    apps do not handle scrolling this way, such as the Thunderbird Mail
    inbox, Libre Office Calc, etc.  I was not able to find a setting that
    would govern this behavior.  Do others experience this, or is it a 
bug?

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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers



Then don't try to be so nice.  From your OP:

"When I click in the scroller and move my mouse, whenever the mouse 
leaves the scroll bar area the display snaps back to where it was 
before the scroll operation.  I initially tried to carefully keep the 
mouse within the scroll bar area, and that does prevent the display 
from snapping back - but my new ephiphany is this:  If I do manage not 
to stray from the bounds of the scroll bar before releasing the mouse 
button, then the display stays where my scrolling action left it BUT, 
the moment I subsequently move the mouse out of the scroll bar area, 
the display snaps to its previous position."


I followed your precise instructions above in MS Excel on Windows 10 a 
few seconds ago and it behaves EXACTLY as you are describing above.


My impression of your OP is that you seek to blame GNUcash for some 
unique behavior that is unseen anywhere else. Am I misunderstanding 
your OP?



On 2/5/2019 10:54 AM, Steve Cohen wrote:
I'm trying to be nice but you're making it hard.  I have never 
experienced such behavior in Windows or in Linux except with 
Gnucash.  I don't know what you're experiencing but it's not what I 
am experiencing.  Your input is less than helpful here.


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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

I'm trying to be nice but you're making it hard.  I have never 
experienced such behavior in Windows or in Linux except with Gnucash.  I 
don't know what you're experiencing but it's not what I am experiencing. 
 Your input is less than helpful here.


On 2/5/19 11:43 AM, Bucky Carr wrote:


I just tried it with MS Excel (Win10) and it behaves exactly as you 
describe with your GNUcash-in-Linux experience. So it is not uncommon.


But it is annoying.


On 2/5/2019 10:38 AM, Steve Cohen wrote:

On 2/5/19 11:33 AM, Bucky Carr wrote:
Well, I am not using the Windows version and this behavior is unlike 
anything I ever saw when I did use Windows.


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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers




I just tried it with MS Excel (Win10) and it behaves exactly as you 
describe with your GNUcash-in-Linux experience. So it is not uncommon.


But it is annoying.


On 2/5/2019 10:38 AM, Steve Cohen wrote:

On 2/5/19 11:33 AM, Bucky Carr wrote:
Well, I am not using the Windows version and this behavior is unlike 
anything I ever saw when I did use Windows.


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On 2/5/19 11:33 AM, Bucky Carr wrote:
Well, I am not using the Windows version and this behavior is unlike 
anything I ever saw when I did use Windows.

Isn't GNUcash a Windows program? :)

The OP said that "other programs don't do this". I was pointing out that 
the observed behavior is evident in other programs as well, and I just 
happened to mention the "other programs" are Windows programs, too, just 
like GNUcash is a Windows (and other platform) program.

On 2/5/2019 10:27 AM, Colin Law wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 17:22, Bucky Carr > wrote:

    I've noticed that exact behavior in many other Windows programs as
    well. Definitely annoying.

We are not talking about Windows programs are we?

Colin

    On 2/5/2019 9:53 AM, Steve Cohen wrote:
    > For two years something seemed not quite right about the use of
    > scroll bars in Gnucash register windows, but I always just "lived
    > with it" in a state of vague , not quite conscious annoyance.
    >
    > I have finally put my finger on the problem.
    >
    > When I click in the scroller and move my mouse, whenever the
    mouse
    > leaves the scroll bar area the display snaps back to where it was
    > before the scroll operation.  I initially tried to carefully keep
    > the mouse within the scroll bar area, and that does prevent the
    > display from snapping back - but my new ephiphany is this:  If
    I do
    > manage not to stray from the bounds of the scroll bar before
    > releasing the mouse button, then the display stays where my
    > scrolling action left it BUT, the moment I subsequently move the
    > mouse out of the scroll bar area, the display snaps to its
    previous
    > position.  In particular this makes it impossible to edit an
    entry
    > that was out of the visible scrolling area but became visible
    after
    > scrolling, as it is gone before I can click it.  The only way
    to get
    > to a row not visible is by using the arrow keys or PgUp, PgDown.
    > Ironically, pressing those keys does move the scroller.
    >
    > I am running GNUCash version 3.900, which I built from source on
    > 2018-06-03 on Ubuntu 18.04.
    >
    > This is highly irritating and non-standard behavior, I think.
    Other
    > apps do not handle scrolling this way, such as the Thunderbird
    Mail
    > inbox, Libre Office Calc, etc.  I was not able to find a setting
    > that would govern this behavior.  Do others experience this,
    or is
    > it a bug?

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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

Isn't GNUcash a Windows program? :)

The OP said that "other programs don't do this". I was pointing out 
that the observed behavior is evident in other programs as well, and I 
just happened to mention the "other programs" are Windows programs, 
too, just like GNUcash is a Windows (and other platform) program.

On 2/5/2019 10:27 AM, Colin Law wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 17:22, Bucky Carr > wrote:

I've noticed that exact behavior in many other Windows programs as
well. Definitely annoying.

We are not talking about Windows programs are we?

Colin

On 2/5/2019 9:53 AM, Steve Cohen wrote:
> For two years something seemed not quite right about the use of
> scroll bars in Gnucash register windows, but I always just "lived
> with it" in a state of vague , not quite conscious annoyance.
>
> I have finally put my finger on the problem.
>
> When I click in the scroller and move my mouse, whenever the
mouse
> leaves the scroll bar area the display snaps back to where it was
> before the scroll operation.  I initially tried to carefully keep
> the mouse within the scroll bar area, and that does prevent the
> display from snapping back - but my new ephiphany is this:  If
I do
> manage not to stray from the bounds of the scroll bar before
> releasing the mouse button, then the display stays where my
> scrolling action left it BUT, the moment I subsequently move the
> mouse out of the scroll bar area, the display snaps to its
previous
> position.  In particular this makes it impossible to edit an
entry
> that was out of the visible scrolling area but became visible
after
> scrolling, as it is gone before I can click it.  The only way
to get
> to a row not visible is by using the arrow keys or PgUp, PgDown.
> Ironically, pressing those keys does move the scroller.
>
> I am running GNUCash version 3.900, which I built from source on
> 2018-06-03 on Ubuntu 18.04.
>
> This is highly irritating and non-standard behavior, I think.
Other
> apps do not handle scrolling this way, such as the Thunderbird
Mail
> inbox, Libre Office Calc, etc.  I was not able to find a setting
> that would govern this behavior.  Do others experience this,
or is
> it a bug?

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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

I was surprised to see 3.900 myself but that's what the About screen
tells me:

Version: 3.900
Build ID: git 3.1-100-geb67baba5+ (2018-06-03)
Finance::Quote: 1.47

I am running the standard gnome version of Ubuntu with the exception of
a change I made to get a wider scrollbar per:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/775201/how-do-i-get-a-bigger-static-scrollbar-aka-normal-scrollbar
. I think I the only change I made was changing

-GtkRange-slider-width: 16;
to
-GtkRange-slider-width: 25;

However, this problem has been with me since gnucash v 2.x.x and on a
previous version of Ubuntu where I hadn't messed with the scroll bar width.

As for "X or Wayland" I don't know. I am using whatever ubuntu ships
with out of the box.

On 2/5/19 11:07 AM, Colin Law wrote:
I am not seeing any problems on Ubuntu 18.10 running GC 3.4. Confused
by the fact you say you are running 3.900 as I think 3.4 is the latest.

Are you running the standard (Gnome) version of Ubuntu? Are you using X
or Wayland? That should be selectable from logon screen. I am running X.

Colin

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 16:55, Steve Cohen > wrote:

For two years something seemed not quite right about the use of scroll
bars in Gnucash register windows, but I always just "lived with it"
in a
state of vague , not quite conscious annoyance.

I have finally put my finger on the problem.

When I click in the scroller and move my mouse, whenever the mouse
leaves the scroll bar area the display snaps back to where it was
before
the scroll operation. I initially tried to carefully keep the mouse
within the scroll bar area, and that does prevent the display from
snapping back - but my new ephiphany is this: If I do manage not to
stray from the bounds of the scroll bar before releasing the mouse
button, then the display stays where my scrolling action left it BUT,
the moment I subsequently move the mouse out of the scroll bar area,
the
display snaps to its previous position. In particular this makes it
impossible to edit an entry that was out of the visible scrolling area
but became visible after scrolling, as it is gone before I can click
it.
The only way to get to a row not visible is by using the arrow
keys or
PgUp, PgDown. Ironically, pressing those keys does move the scroller.

I am running GNUCash version 3.900, which I built from source on
2018-06-03 on Ubuntu 18.04.

This is highly irritating and non-standard behavior, I think. Other
apps do not handle scrolling this way, such as the Thunderbird Mail
inbox, Libre Office Calc, etc. I was not able to find a setting that
would govern this behavior. Do others experience this, or is it a bug?
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On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 17:22, Bucky Carr  wrote:

>
>
> I've noticed that exact behavior in many other Windows programs as
> well. Definitely annoying.
>

We are not talking about Windows programs are we?

Colin


>
>
> On 2/5/2019 9:53 AM, Steve Cohen wrote:
> > For two years something seemed not quite right about the use of
> > scroll bars in Gnucash register windows, but I always just "lived
> > with it" in a state of vague , not quite conscious annoyance.
> >
> > I have finally put my finger on the problem.
> >
> > When I click in the scroller and move my mouse, whenever the mouse
> > leaves the scroll bar area the display snaps back to where it was
> > before the scroll operation.  I initially tried to carefully keep
> > the mouse within the scroll bar area, and that does prevent the
> > display from snapping back - but my new ephiphany is this:  If I do
> > manage not to stray from the bounds of the scroll bar before
> > releasing the mouse button, then the display stays where my
> > scrolling action left it BUT, the moment I subsequently move the
> > mouse out of the scroll bar area, the display snaps to its previous
> > position.  In particular this makes it impossible to edit an entry
> > that was out of the visible scrolling area but became visible after
> > scrolling, as it is gone before I can click it.  The only way to get
> > to a row not visible is by using the arrow keys or PgUp, PgDown.
> > Ironically, pressing those keys does move the scroller.
> >
> > I am running GNUCash version 3.900, which I built from source on
> > 2018-06-03 on Ubuntu 18.04.
> >
> > This is highly irritating and non-standard behavior, I think. Other
> > apps do not handle scrolling this way, such as the Thunderbird Mail
> > inbox, Libre Office Calc, etc.  I was not able to find a setting
> > that would govern this behavior.  Do others experience this, or is
> > it a bug?
>
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I've noticed that exact behavior in many other Windows programs as 
well. Definitely annoying.



On 2/5/2019 9:53 AM, Steve Cohen wrote:
For two years something seemed not quite right about the use of 
scroll bars in Gnucash register windows, but I always just "lived 
with it" in a state of vague , not quite conscious annoyance.


I have finally put my finger on the problem.

When I click in the scroller and move my mouse, whenever the mouse 
leaves the scroll bar area the display snaps back to where it was 
before the scroll operation.  I initially tried to carefully keep 
the mouse within the scroll bar area, and that does prevent the 
display from snapping back - but my new ephiphany is this:  If I do 
manage not to stray from the bounds of the scroll bar before 
releasing the mouse button, then the display stays where my 
scrolling action left it BUT, the moment I subsequently move the 
mouse out of the scroll bar area, the display snaps to its previous 
position.  In particular this makes it impossible to edit an entry 
that was out of the visible scrolling area but became visible after 
scrolling, as it is gone before I can click it.  The only way to get 
to a row not visible is by using the arrow keys or PgUp, PgDown.  
Ironically, pressing those keys does move the scroller.


I am running GNUCash version 3.900, which I built from source on 
2018-06-03 on Ubuntu 18.04.


This is highly irritating and non-standard behavior, I think. Other 
apps do not handle scrolling this way, such as the Thunderbird Mail 
inbox, Libre Office Calc, etc.  I was not able to find a setting 
that would govern this behavior.  Do others experience this, or is 
it a bug?


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