Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-15 Thread Adrien Monteleone
There are some standard numbering schemes out there online, but of 
course, the user can employ whatever scheme they want.


Regards,
Adrien

On 6/13/22 9:43 AM, Stan Brown wrote:


On 2022-06-13 07:31, Gyle McCollam wrote:

As someone suggested, you could assign account codes and sort on them.  I would 
use at least a four digit number, so you have room to add accounts in between 
in the future.  I would suggest 1000s for assets, 2000s for liabilities, 3000s 
for income, and 4000s for expense.


I'm curious: why not 1000s for assets, 2000s for liabilities, 3000s for
net worth (equities), 4000s for income, and 5000s for expense?



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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-14 Thread Christopher Lam
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 at 15:07, Christopher Lam 
wrote:

> Some users have intuitively suggested using Account Codes, which is the
> right answer: the default sorting within the account tree has *always*[1]
> prioritised account codes over other fields e.g. account type and name.
> However there was an undocumented base-36 sort[2] which was removed without
> fanfare a few years ago, causing unexpected sorting.
>

^ clarification of unexpected sorting caused by base-36 sort:
https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797573#c6
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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-14 Thread Christopher Lam
Some users have intuitively suggested using Account Codes, which is the
right answer: the default sorting within the account tree has *always*[1]
prioritised account codes over other fields e.g. account type and name.
However there was an undocumented base-36 sort[2] which was removed without
fanfare a few years ago, causing unexpected sorting.

[1] current sorting of account codes
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/65eae554bec2d360600c7ff62ac72d92665c1f59/libgnucash/engine/Account.cpp#L2362

[2] base-36 account code sorting
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/f47b53a310d9e40020846043c31f0400a79b6308/src/engine/Account.c#L1259
results
in: 0010..0019, 001A-001Z, 0020 etc.

On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 at 08:45, john  wrote:

> Account type is a number, not a string. You can see what number goes with
> what type at
> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/65eae554bec2d360600c7ff62ac72d92665c1f59/libgnucash/engine/Account.h#L105
> .
>
> That shouldn't have anything to do with anything if you assign codes to
> accounts, display the account code column in the Accounts tab, and click on
> its header to sort by it. You can easily tell which column is used for
> sorting and in which direction by the arrow icon that appears on the right
> of the column's header.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
>
> > On Jun 13, 2022, at 12:09 PM, Gyle McCollam  wrote:
> >
> > Alan,
> > I noticed that the accounts under assets are not sorted in alpha order
> when I assign account codes to the major cats, namely the Assets (1),
> Liabilities (2), Equity (3), Income (4), and Expense (5).  I have
> determined this is due to the Asset account type being broken down into
> Assets, Bank, and Cash.  For some reason Cash comes before Asset, which
> comes before Bank.  I was thinking it was sorting on Type even though I
> didn't have "Type" displayed, but having Cash before Asset types negates
> that reasoning.
> >
> > Also, wanted to let you know that sorting this way also put the
> Imbalance and Orphaned account as the first 2 entries.  I have my accounts
> filtered by View/Filter By.../Other and I removed all the check marks.  The
> accounts only display when they have a balance, which since they are at the
> top of the list really makes them stand out.
> >
> >
> > Thank You,
> > Gyle McCollam
> >
> > Gyle McCollam
> >
> > 609.680.2326 Mobile
> >
> > gmccol...@live.com<mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com>   email
> >
> > ____________________
> > From: gnucash-user 
> on behalf of Alan A Holmes 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 3:12 AM
> > To: ja...@comcast.net ; gnucash-user@gnucash.org <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree
> >
> > As Adrien said in his reply if you sort on the Account Name column it
> should
> > be okay.
> >
> > Personally, I sort on the Hidden column which I have displayed, mainly
> > because it puts the Imbalance and Orphan accounts together at the bottom
> of
> > the list and enables me to find errors in transactions quickly.
> > What I do notice sorting this way is that within the top level accounts
> > (Assets, Expenses, Income, etc.) that the 2nd and subsequent level
> Accounts
> > under Assets AREN'T sorted alphabetically, while those under Expenses and
> > Income ARE. I have insufficient sub-accounts under Equity and
> Liabilities to
> > be able to say.
> >
> >
> > Alan A Holmes
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: gnucash-user
> >  On Behalf
> Of
> > ja...@comcast.net
> > Sent: 11 June 2022 12:29
> > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> > Subject: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree
> >
> > I have been using gnucash for nearly 20 years. My account lists were a
> mess
> > until this spring when somehow I spent a day or two reorganizing
> everything
> > into a new and very well organized account tree.  For the life of me, I
> > don't remember how I was able to do that without losing the 20 years of
> data
> > stored in my accounts.  I would like to reorganize the order in which my
> > bank accounts are listed to make them in alphabetical order but I cannot
> > find a way to move the accounts in the account tree. I can go to the
> parent
> > account but that does not give me control to move the accounts around.
> >
> >Can someone tell me how to move accounts around in the
> > account list.  Thank you.  Chin00kie
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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-13 Thread Alan A Holmes
Well spotted Gyle.

 

I've never displayed the Type field, so hadn't noticed that.

 

I've had a little play.

1.  Sort on the Hidden column - Accounts in Assets are sorted by Type,
in order Cash, Asset and then Bank, and then in order within those types.
Imbalance and Orphan are at the bottom of CofA so easy to locate and check
2.  Sort on the Type column - Accounts in Assets are sorted by Type, in
order Asset, Bank and then Cash, and then in order within those types.
Imbalance and Orphan are in CofA immediately after Assets so easy to locate
and check.
3.  Sort on the Account Name column - Accounts in Assets are in order of
name. Imbalance and Orphan come in alphanumeric order, so not so easy to
find and check.

 

As I said earlier I'm not complaining, just making an observation. I sorted
on the Hidden column because of where it put Imbalance and Orphan, and I can
live with the order under the Assets account. Having now tried sorting on
Type I also like that, because of where it puts Imbalance and Orphan.

 

I definitely don't like sorting on Account Name, because of where it puts
Imbalance and Orphan. That was really what I was trying to point out in my
original post, just passing on my experience of how I sort and why, and
noting that this didn't sort the Accounts everywhere. Had Michael Novack not
come in asking "WHAT are you saying, exactly?" I wouldn't have continued the
conversation to show what I was saying.

 

 

Alan A Holmes

 

From: Gyle McCollam  
Sent: 13 June 2022 20:10
To: Alan A Holmes ; gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

 

Alan,

I noticed that the accounts under assets are not sorted in alpha order when
I assign account codes to the major cats, namely the Assets (1), Liabilities
(2), Equity (3), Income (4), and Expense (5).  I have determined this is due
to the Asset account type being broken down into Assets, Bank, and Cash.
For some reason Cash comes before Asset, which comes before Bank.  I was
thinking it was sorting on Type even though I didn't have "Type" displayed,
but having Cash before Asset types negates that reasoning.

 

Also, wanted to let you know that sorting this way also put the Imbalance
and Orphaned account as the first 2 entries.  I have my accounts filtered by
View/Filter By.../Other and I removed all the check marks.  The accounts
only display when they have a balance, which since they are at the top of
the list really makes them stand out.

 

Thank You,   
Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

609.680.2326 Mobile

 <mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com> gmccol...@live.com   email

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>
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To: ja...@comcast.net <mailto:ja...@comcast.net>  mailto:ja...@comcast.net> >; gnucash-user@gnucash.org
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Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree 

 

As Adrien said in his reply if you sort on the Account Name column it should
be okay.

Personally, I sort on the Hidden column which I have displayed, mainly
because it puts the Imbalance and Orphan accounts together at the bottom of
the list and enables me to find errors in transactions quickly.
What I do notice sorting this way is that within the top level accounts
(Assets, Expenses, Income, etc.) that the 2nd and subsequent level Accounts
under Assets AREN'T sorted alphabetically, while those under Expenses and
Income ARE. I have insufficient sub-accounts under Equity and Liabilities to
be able to say.


Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+gnucash=alanaholmes.me...@gnucash.org> > On
Behalf Of
ja...@comcast.net <mailto:ja...@comcast.net> 
Sent: 11 June 2022 12:29
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> 
Subject: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

I have been using gnucash for nearly 20 years. My account lists were a mess
until this spring when somehow I spent a day or two reorganizing everything
into a new and very well organized account tree.  For the life of me, I
don't remember how I was able to do that without losing the 20 years of data
stored in my accounts.  I would like to reorganize the order in which my
bank accounts are listed to make them in alphabetical order but I cannot
find a way to move the accounts in the account tree. I can go to the parent
account but that does not give me control to move the accounts around.  

Can someone tell me how to move accounts around in the
account list.  Thank you.  Chin00kie

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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-13 Thread john
Account type is a number, not a string. You can see what number goes with what 
type at 
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/65eae554bec2d360600c7ff62ac72d92665c1f59/libgnucash/engine/Account.h#L105.

That shouldn't have anything to do with anything if you assign codes to 
accounts, display the account code column in the Accounts tab, and click on its 
header to sort by it. You can easily tell which column is used for sorting and 
in which direction by the arrow icon that appears on the right of the column's 
header.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Jun 13, 2022, at 12:09 PM, Gyle McCollam  wrote:
> 
> Alan,
> I noticed that the accounts under assets are not sorted in alpha order when I 
> assign account codes to the major cats, namely the Assets (1), Liabilities 
> (2), Equity (3), Income (4), and Expense (5).  I have determined this is due 
> to the Asset account type being broken down into Assets, Bank, and Cash.  For 
> some reason Cash comes before Asset, which comes before Bank.  I was thinking 
> it was sorting on Type even though I didn't have "Type" displayed, but having 
> Cash before Asset types negates that reasoning.
> 
> Also, wanted to let you know that sorting this way also put the Imbalance and 
> Orphaned account as the first 2 entries.  I have my accounts filtered by 
> View/Filter By.../Other and I removed all the check marks.  The accounts only 
> display when they have a balance, which since they are at the top of the list 
> really makes them stand out.
> 
> 
> Thank You,
> Gyle McCollam
> 
> Gyle McCollam
> 
> 609.680.2326 Mobile
> 
> gmccol...@live.com<mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com>   email
> 
> 
> From: gnucash-user  on 
> behalf of Alan A Holmes 
> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 3:12 AM
> To: ja...@comcast.net ; gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
> 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree
> 
> As Adrien said in his reply if you sort on the Account Name column it should
> be okay.
> 
> Personally, I sort on the Hidden column which I have displayed, mainly
> because it puts the Imbalance and Orphan accounts together at the bottom of
> the list and enables me to find errors in transactions quickly.
> What I do notice sorting this way is that within the top level accounts
> (Assets, Expenses, Income, etc.) that the 2nd and subsequent level Accounts
> under Assets AREN'T sorted alphabetically, while those under Expenses and
> Income ARE. I have insufficient sub-accounts under Equity and Liabilities to
> be able to say.
> 
> 
> Alan A Holmes
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: gnucash-user
>  On Behalf Of
> ja...@comcast.net
> Sent: 11 June 2022 12:29
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree
> 
> I have been using gnucash for nearly 20 years. My account lists were a mess
> until this spring when somehow I spent a day or two reorganizing everything
> into a new and very well organized account tree.  For the life of me, I
> don't remember how I was able to do that without losing the 20 years of data
> stored in my accounts.  I would like to reorganize the order in which my
> bank accounts are listed to make them in alphabetical order but I cannot
> find a way to move the accounts in the account tree. I can go to the parent
> account but that does not give me control to move the accounts around.
> 
>Can someone tell me how to move accounts around in the
> account list.  Thank you.  Chin00kie
> 
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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-13 Thread Gyle McCollam
David,
I used your trick to sort my accounts.  Knowing that I don't need a complete 
hierarchy of all my accounts, but only those at the same level has made this a 
lot better,  I have arranged my Assets in order of liquidity: Cash, Checking, 
Savings, CDs, etc.  I had the account code as the 1st column, but that caused 
the indented account list to be aligned.  Once I had the accounts 
numbered/ordered, only the ones I absolutely needed, at each level I moved the 
account code to the last column, which restored the indented nature of the CoA. 
 I much prefer looking at it this way.


Thank You,
Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

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gmccol...@live.com<mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com>   email


From: gnucash-user  on 
behalf of David T. via gnucash-user 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 10:46 AM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

I use account codes in my file, and  like it quite a bit. You can add
the Code to the Chart of Accounts (CoA) page and quickly sort on it as
one would with any other displayed column. I'll note that the tree
aspect of the CoA means that the sorting will still be
hierarchical--that is, accounts will only sort in order at the same
level of hierarchy.

You can take advantage of this. A little trick I've used in my (perhaps
exceedingly) deep CoA is to refrain from assigning codes in certain
accounts, such as for individual commodities in investment accounts. I
do this because adding codes to the (often many) individual commodity
accounts quickly bogs down in a portfolio with even just a few
transactions per year. Instead, I use a single dummy code in the
commodities (1), and a blank for the associated Cash account. This
places the cash account at the top of the account listing, where I can
quickly find it; all the other commodities will then sort alphabetically
afterward. I find this kludge workable for my circumstances; your
results may vary.

David T.

On 6/13/2022 10:31 AM, Gyle McCollam wrote:
> Jay,
> As someone suggested, you could assign account codes and sort on them.  I 
> would use at least a four digit number, so you have room to add accounts in 
> between in the future.  I would suggest 1000s for assets, 2000s for 
> liabilities, 3000s for income, and 4000s for expense.  You could use the 100s 
> in each for subaccounts and 10s for subs within that etc.  Using this 
> numbering scheme your accounts would line up more like your balance sheet and 
> income/expense report.  Using this scheme, you could also list the accounts 
> in any order you wish, not necessarily alphabetic. You could also assign 
> orphan and imbalance as  and 9998 to have them at the end, the same as 
> Alan does by sorting on hidden.
>
>
> Thank You,
> Gyle McCollam
>
> Gyle McCollam
>
> 609.680.2326 Mobile
>
> gmccol...@live.com<mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com>   email
>
> 
> From: ja...@comcast.net 
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 9:42 AM
> To: 'Gyle McCollam' 
> Subject: RE: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree
>
> I am now sorting on the account and it seems to be working well.  I just
> wish that there was a way to move the accounts around in the list a little
> more easily. Thank you for your help
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gnucash-user  On
> Behalf Of Gyle McCollam
> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 12:07 PM
> To: Alan A Holmes ; gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree
>
> Alan,
> It sorts correctly in my GnuCash as well.  Are you sure it is sorting on the
> account column, it the only explanation I can think of?  Can't tell that
> from the narrow view in the attachment. I understand why the narrow view as
> you don't want to display the full account names.
>
>
> Thank You,
> Gyle McCollam
>
> Gyle McCollam
>
> 609.680.2326 Mobile
>
> gmccol...@live.com<mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com>       email
>
> ____________
> From: gnucash-user  on
> behalf of Alan A Holmes 
> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 11:52 AM
> To: stepbystepf...@comcast.net ;
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree
>
> I wasn't complaining, it was just a comment.
>
> But see the attachment, where "G" and "P" both come before "C". And there
> are no leading spaces or non-printable characters.
>
>
> Alan A Holmes
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gnucash-user
>  On Behalf Of
> Michael or Penny Novack
> Sent: 12 June 2022 14:52
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize

Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-13 Thread Gyle McCollam
Alan,
I noticed that the accounts under assets are not sorted in alpha order when I 
assign account codes to the major cats, namely the Assets (1), Liabilities (2), 
Equity (3), Income (4), and Expense (5).  I have determined this is due to the 
Asset account type being broken down into Assets, Bank, and Cash.  For some 
reason Cash comes before Asset, which comes before Bank.  I was thinking it was 
sorting on Type even though I didn't have "Type" displayed, but having Cash 
before Asset types negates that reasoning.

Also, wanted to let you know that sorting this way also put the Imbalance and 
Orphaned account as the first 2 entries.  I have my accounts filtered by 
View/Filter By.../Other and I removed all the check marks.  The accounts only 
display when they have a balance, which since they are at the top of the list 
really makes them stand out.


Thank You,
Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

609.680.2326 Mobile

gmccol...@live.com<mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com>   email


From: gnucash-user  on 
behalf of Alan A Holmes 
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 3:12 AM
To: ja...@comcast.net ; gnucash-user@gnucash.org 

Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

As Adrien said in his reply if you sort on the Account Name column it should
be okay.

Personally, I sort on the Hidden column which I have displayed, mainly
because it puts the Imbalance and Orphan accounts together at the bottom of
the list and enables me to find errors in transactions quickly.
What I do notice sorting this way is that within the top level accounts
(Assets, Expenses, Income, etc.) that the 2nd and subsequent level Accounts
under Assets AREN'T sorted alphabetically, while those under Expenses and
Income ARE. I have insufficient sub-accounts under Equity and Liabilities to
be able to say.


Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
 On Behalf Of
ja...@comcast.net
Sent: 11 June 2022 12:29
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

I have been using gnucash for nearly 20 years. My account lists were a mess
until this spring when somehow I spent a day or two reorganizing everything
into a new and very well organized account tree.  For the life of me, I
don't remember how I was able to do that without losing the 20 years of data
stored in my accounts.  I would like to reorganize the order in which my
bank accounts are listed to make them in alphabetical order but I cannot
find a way to move the accounts in the account tree. I can go to the parent
account but that does not give me control to move the accounts around.

Can someone tell me how to move accounts around in the
account list.  Thank you.  Chin00kie

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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-13 Thread D via gnucash-user
There's even a function somewhere in the menus to assign codes automatically. 
Can't recall where it is, or how well it works. ISTR it behaved rather well. 

On Jun 13, 2022, 10:52, at 10:52, Stan Brown  wrote:
>
>On 2022-06-13 07:31, Gyle McCollam wrote:
>> As someone suggested, you could assign account codes and sort on
>them.  I would use at least a four digit number, so you have room to
>add accounts in between in the future.  I would suggest 1000s for
>assets, 2000s for liabilities, 3000s for income, and 4000s for expense.
>
>
>My old accounting system had three-digit account codes, which I used
>when I created my GnuCash chart of accounts. As time went by and I had
>to add more accounts, I ended up using decimals. They sot as I
>expected,
>but it's ugly that most accounts have NNN codes yet some have NNN.N
>codes.
>
>Gyle's suggestion of four-digit codes makes sense to me, in hindsight.
>I
>almost wrote "if I had it to do over again, I'd use four-digit account
>codes." But of course it's possible to change an account code at any
>time, so I think I'm off to renumber my accounts now. :-)
>
>-- 
>Stan Brown
>Tehachapi, CA, USA
>https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-13 Thread Stan Brown
On 2022-06-13 07:46, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
> I use account codes in my file, and  like it quite a bit. You can add
> the Code to the Chart of Accounts (CoA) page and quickly sort on it as
> one would with any other displayed column. I'll note that the tree
> aspect of the CoA means that the sorting will still be
> hierarchical--that is, accounts will only sort in order at the same
> level of hierarchy.



For historical reasons I use 8NN for accounts receivable subaccounts and
9NN for accounts payable subaccounts. They are under main accounts
Assets:Accounts Receivable and Liabilities:Accounts Payable. I have
found, as David T says, that GV sorts the 8NN and 9NN subaccounts under
their respective main accounts, just as I wanted.

-- 

Stan Brown

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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-13 Thread Stan Brown


On 2022-06-13 07:31, Gyle McCollam wrote:
> As someone suggested, you could assign account codes and sort on them.  I 
> would use at least a four digit number, so you have room to add accounts in 
> between in the future.  I would suggest 1000s for assets, 2000s for 
> liabilities, 3000s for income, and 4000s for expense. 

My old accounting system had three-digit account codes, which I used
when I created my GnuCash chart of accounts. As time went by and I had
to add more accounts, I ended up using decimals. They sot as I expected,
but it's ugly that most accounts have NNN codes yet some have NNN.N codes.

Gyle's suggestion of four-digit codes makes sense to me, in hindsight. I
almost wrote "if I had it to do over again, I'd use four-digit account
codes." But of course it's possible to change an account code at any
time, so I think I'm off to renumber my accounts now. :-)

-- 
Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-13 Thread David T. via gnucash-user
I use account codes in my file, and  like it quite a bit. You can add 
the Code to the Chart of Accounts (CoA) page and quickly sort on it as 
one would with any other displayed column. I'll note that the tree 
aspect of the CoA means that the sorting will still be 
hierarchical--that is, accounts will only sort in order at the same 
level of hierarchy.


You can take advantage of this. A little trick I've used in my (perhaps 
exceedingly) deep CoA is to refrain from assigning codes in certain 
accounts, such as for individual commodities in investment accounts. I 
do this because adding codes to the (often many) individual commodity 
accounts quickly bogs down in a portfolio with even just a few 
transactions per year. Instead, I use a single dummy code in the 
commodities (1), and a blank for the associated Cash account. This 
places the cash account at the top of the account listing, where I can 
quickly find it; all the other commodities will then sort alphabetically 
afterward. I find this kludge workable for my circumstances; your 
results may vary.


David T.

On 6/13/2022 10:31 AM, Gyle McCollam wrote:

Jay,
As someone suggested, you could assign account codes and sort on them.  I would 
use at least a four digit number, so you have room to add accounts in between 
in the future.  I would suggest 1000s for assets, 2000s for liabilities, 3000s 
for income, and 4000s for expense.  You could use the 100s in each for 
subaccounts and 10s for subs within that etc.  Using this numbering scheme your 
accounts would line up more like your balance sheet and income/expense report.  
Using this scheme, you could also list the accounts in any order you wish, not 
necessarily alphabetic. You could also assign orphan and imbalance as  and 
9998 to have them at the end, the same as Alan does by sorting on hidden.


Thank You,
Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

609.680.2326 Mobile

gmccol...@live.com<mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com>   email


From: ja...@comcast.net 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 9:42 AM
To: 'Gyle McCollam' 
Subject: RE: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

I am now sorting on the account and it seems to be working well.  I just
wish that there was a way to move the accounts around in the list a little
more easily. Thank you for your help

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user  On
Behalf Of Gyle McCollam
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 12:07 PM
To: Alan A Holmes ; gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

Alan,
It sorts correctly in my GnuCash as well.  Are you sure it is sorting on the
account column, it the only explanation I can think of?  Can't tell that
from the narrow view in the attachment. I understand why the narrow view as
you don't want to display the full account names.


Thank You,
Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

609.680.2326 Mobile

gmccol...@live.com<mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com>   email


From: gnucash-user  on
behalf of Alan A Holmes 
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 11:52 AM
To: stepbystepf...@comcast.net ;
gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

I wasn't complaining, it was just a comment.

But see the attachment, where "G" and "P" both come before "C". And there
are no leading spaces or non-printable characters.


Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
 On Behalf Of
Michael or Penny Novack
Sent: 12 June 2022 14:52
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree




What I do notice sorting this way is that within the top level
accounts (Assets, Expenses, Income, etc.) that the 2nd and subsequent
level Accounts under Assets AREN'T sorted alphabetically, while those
under Expenses and Income ARE. I have insufficient sub-accounts under
Equity and Liabilities to be able to say.

WHAT are you saying, exactly?

The CoA is a TREE structure. The accounts at the same level of the tree
should be sorted in alpha-meric order. The sibling accounts (children of the
same parent account) should also be sorted that way AMONG THEMSELVES (but
not sorted that way with respect to children of different parents)

You aren't seeing the ultimate top level parent (aka "root") but "top level"
accounts like "asset", "liability", "equity", "income", "expense",
"Imbalance" are its children and so appear in sorted order.
In other words, they are siblings at the highest level.

Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-13 Thread Stan Brown


On 2022-06-13 07:31, Gyle McCollam wrote:
> As someone suggested, you could assign account codes and sort on them.  I 
> would use at least a four digit number, so you have room to add accounts in 
> between in the future.  I would suggest 1000s for assets, 2000s for 
> liabilities, 3000s for income, and 4000s for expense. 

I'm curious: why not 1000s for assets, 2000s for liabilities, 3000s for
net worth (equities), 4000s for income, and 5000s for expense?

-- 
Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-13 Thread Gyle McCollam
Jay,
As someone suggested, you could assign account codes and sort on them.  I would 
use at least a four digit number, so you have room to add accounts in between 
in the future.  I would suggest 1000s for assets, 2000s for liabilities, 3000s 
for income, and 4000s for expense.  You could use the 100s in each for 
subaccounts and 10s for subs within that etc.  Using this numbering scheme your 
accounts would line up more like your balance sheet and income/expense report.  
Using this scheme, you could also list the accounts in any order you wish, not 
necessarily alphabetic. You could also assign orphan and imbalance as  and 
9998 to have them at the end, the same as Alan does by sorting on hidden.


Thank You,
Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

609.680.2326 Mobile

gmccol...@live.com<mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com>   email


From: ja...@comcast.net 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 9:42 AM
To: 'Gyle McCollam' 
Subject: RE: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

I am now sorting on the account and it seems to be working well.  I just
wish that there was a way to move the accounts around in the list a little
more easily. Thank you for your help

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user  On
Behalf Of Gyle McCollam
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 12:07 PM
To: Alan A Holmes ; gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

Alan,
It sorts correctly in my GnuCash as well.  Are you sure it is sorting on the
account column, it the only explanation I can think of?  Can't tell that
from the narrow view in the attachment. I understand why the narrow view as
you don't want to display the full account names.


Thank You,
Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

609.680.2326 Mobile

gmccol...@live.com<mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com>   email


From: gnucash-user  on
behalf of Alan A Holmes 
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 11:52 AM
To: stepbystepf...@comcast.net ;
gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

I wasn't complaining, it was just a comment.

But see the attachment, where "G" and "P" both come before "C". And there
are no leading spaces or non-printable characters.


Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
 On Behalf Of
Michael or Penny Novack
Sent: 12 June 2022 14:52
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree



> What I do notice sorting this way is that within the top level
> accounts (Assets, Expenses, Income, etc.) that the 2nd and subsequent
> level Accounts under Assets AREN'T sorted alphabetically, while those
> under Expenses and Income ARE. I have insufficient sub-accounts under
> Equity and Liabilities to be able to say.

WHAT are you saying, exactly?

The CoA is a TREE structure. The accounts at the same level of the tree
should be sorted in alpha-meric order. The sibling accounts (children of the
same parent account) should also be sorted that way AMONG THEMSELVES (but
not sorted that way with respect to children of different parents)

You aren't seeing the ultimate top level parent (aka "root") but "top level"
accounts like "asset", "liability", "equity", "income", "expense",
"Imbalance" are its children and so appear in sorted order.
In other words, they are siblings at the highest level.

Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-12 Thread Alan A Holmes
Gyle,

 

As per my 1st reply

 

<< Personally, I sort on the Hidden column which I have displayed, mainly
because it puts the Imbalance and Orphan accounts together at the bottom of
the list and enables me to find errors in transactions quickly.

What I do notice sorting this way is that within the top level accounts
(Assets, Expenses, Income, etc.) that the 2nd and subsequent level Accounts
under Assets AREN'T sorted alphabetically, while those under Expenses and
Income ARE. I have insufficient sub-accounts under Equity and Liabilities to
be able to say.>>

 

 

 

Alan A Holmes

 

From: Gyle McCollam  
Sent: 12 June 2022 17:07
To: Alan A Holmes ; gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

 

Alan,

It sorts correctly in my GnuCash as well.  Are you sure it is sorting on the
account column, it the only explanation I can think of?  Can't tell that
from the narrow view in the attachment. I understand why the narrow view as
you don't want to display the full account names.

 

Thank You,   
Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

609.680.2326 Mobile

 <mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com> gmccol...@live.com   email

  _  

From: gnucash-user mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+gylemc=gmail@gnucash.org> > on behalf of
Alan A Holmes mailto:gnuc...@alanaholmes.me.uk>
>
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 11:52 AM
To: stepbystepf...@comcast.net <mailto:stepbystepf...@comcast.net>
mailto:stepbystepf...@comcast.net> >;
gnucash-user@gnucash.org <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> >
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree 

 

I wasn't complaining, it was just a comment.

But see the attachment, where "G" and "P" both come before "C". And there
are no leading spaces or non-printable characters.


Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+gnucash=alanaholmes.me...@gnucash.org> > On
Behalf Of
Michael or Penny Novack
Sent: 12 June 2022 14:52
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> 
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree



> What I do notice sorting this way is that within the top level 
> accounts (Assets, Expenses, Income, etc.) that the 2nd and subsequent 
> level Accounts under Assets AREN'T sorted alphabetically, while those 
> under Expenses and Income ARE. I have insufficient sub-accounts under 
> Equity and Liabilities to be able to say.

WHAT are you saying, exactly?

The CoA is a TREE structure. The accounts at the same level of the tree
should be sorted in alpha-meric order. The sibling accounts (children of the
same parent account) should also be sorted that way AMONG THEMSELVES (but
not sorted that way with respect to children of different parents)

You aren't seeing the ultimate top level parent (aka "root") but "top level"
accounts like "asset", "liability", "equity", "income", "expense",
"Imbalance" are its children and so appear in sorted order. 
In other words, they are siblings at the highest level.

Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-12 Thread Gyle McCollam
Alan,
It sorts correctly in my GnuCash as well.  Are you sure it is sorting on the 
account column, it the only explanation I can think of?  Can't tell that from 
the narrow view in the attachment. I understand why the narrow view as you 
don't want to display the full account names.


Thank You,
Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

609.680.2326 Mobile

gmccol...@live.com<mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com>   email


From: gnucash-user  on 
behalf of Alan A Holmes 
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 11:52 AM
To: stepbystepf...@comcast.net ; 
gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

I wasn't complaining, it was just a comment.

But see the attachment, where "G" and "P" both come before "C". And there
are no leading spaces or non-printable characters.


Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
 On Behalf Of
Michael or Penny Novack
Sent: 12 June 2022 14:52
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree



> What I do notice sorting this way is that within the top level
> accounts (Assets, Expenses, Income, etc.) that the 2nd and subsequent
> level Accounts under Assets AREN'T sorted alphabetically, while those
> under Expenses and Income ARE. I have insufficient sub-accounts under
> Equity and Liabilities to be able to say.

WHAT are you saying, exactly?

The CoA is a TREE structure. The accounts at the same level of the tree
should be sorted in alpha-meric order. The sibling accounts (children of the
same parent account) should also be sorted that way AMONG THEMSELVES (but
not sorted that way with respect to children of different parents)

You aren't seeing the ultimate top level parent (aka "root") but "top level"
accounts like "asset", "liability", "equity", "income", "expense",
"Imbalance" are its children and so appear in sorted order.
In other words, they are siblings at the highest level.

Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-12 Thread Alan A Holmes
I wasn't complaining, it was just a comment.

But see the attachment, where "G" and "P" both come before "C". And there
are no leading spaces or non-printable characters.


Alan A Holmes

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
 On Behalf Of
Michael or Penny Novack
Sent: 12 June 2022 14:52
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree



> What I do notice sorting this way is that within the top level 
> accounts (Assets, Expenses, Income, etc.) that the 2nd and subsequent 
> level Accounts under Assets AREN'T sorted alphabetically, while those 
> under Expenses and Income ARE. I have insufficient sub-accounts under 
> Equity and Liabilities to be able to say.

WHAT are you saying, exactly?

The CoA is a TREE structure. The accounts at the same level of the tree
should be sorted in alpha-meric order. The sibling accounts (children of the
same parent account) should also be sorted that way AMONG THEMSELVES (but
not sorted that way with respect to children of different parents)

You aren't seeing the ultimate top level parent (aka "root") but "top level"
accounts like "asset", "liability", "equity", "income", "expense",
"Imbalance" are its children and so appear in sorted order. 
In other words, they are siblings at the highest level.

Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-12 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Note, I seem to vaguely recall a case where GnuCash is smart enough and 
helpful enough to swap the columns for you when changing account types, 
but I don't recall if this is when you simply edit, or if you delete the 
account and choose to move the transactions to an account of a different 
type.


Regards,
Adrien

On 6/12/22 10:30 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
Note that while you can move accounts to different main parts of the 
tree (such as moving an asset to a liability) you should also edit the 
account type (bottom-left pane of the account window) and if you have 
transactions in it, you'll possibly need to swap the columns containing 
amounts for *all* transactions.


In this case, I'd advise using View > Transaction Journal so you can 
always see all splits. Then work your way through each transaction 
moving the amounts from the left to the right and vice versa. That is 
easy to do by simply adding a minus sign in front of an amount. GnuCash 
will swap it for you.


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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-12 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Please remember to use 'reply-to-list' or 'reply-all' so the discussion 
stays on the list. Others may benefit, and others may be able to help 
out too.


As to your question, I'm guessing you want to move some accounts within 
the tree. Simply select the desired account (don't open its register) 
click the Edit button on the toolbar. (or right-click, then choose 
'edit') Finally, simply select the new parent account in the 
bottom-right pane of the edit window and click 'OK'.


The account has now moved to be a child of the new parent account.

Note that while you can move accounts to different main parts of the 
tree (such as moving an asset to a liability) you should also edit the 
account type (bottom-left pane of the account window) and if you have 
transactions in it, you'll possibly need to swap the columns containing 
amounts for *all* transactions.


In this case, I'd advise using View > Transaction Journal so you can 
always see all splits. Then work your way through each transaction 
moving the amounts from the left to the right and vice versa. That is 
easy to do by simply adding a minus sign in front of an amount. GnuCash 
will swap it for you.


Regards,
Adrien

On 6/11/22 1:58 PM, ja...@comcast.net wrote:

 Thank you Adrian,  That has helped me get the accounts in order.  Is
there a way to move accounts. Like a copy/paste process or is that not
allowed?  You are a lifesaver!



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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-12 Thread Adrien Monteleone

Alan,

All of my accounts *at each level* are sorted properly *amongst 
themselves* in all parts of the tree.


Maybe double check that you don't have an errant space before some names?

Regards,
Adrien

On 6/12/22 2:12 AM, Alan A Holmes wrote:

As Adrien said in his reply if you sort on the Account Name column it should
be okay.

Personally, I sort on the Hidden column which I have displayed, mainly
because it puts the Imbalance and Orphan accounts together at the bottom of
the list and enables me to find errors in transactions quickly.
What I do notice sorting this way is that within the top level accounts
(Assets, Expenses, Income, etc.) that the 2nd and subsequent level Accounts
under Assets AREN'T sorted alphabetically, while those under Expenses and
Income ARE. I have insufficient sub-accounts under Equity and Liabilities to
be able to say.


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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-12 Thread Michael or Penny Novack





What I do notice sorting this way is that within the top level accounts
(Assets, Expenses, Income, etc.) that the 2nd and subsequent level Accounts
under Assets AREN'T sorted alphabetically, while those under Expenses and
Income ARE. I have insufficient sub-accounts under Equity and Liabilities to
be able to say.


WHAT are you saying, exactly?

The CoA is a TREE structure. The accounts at the same level of the tree 
should be sorted in alpha-meric order. The sibling accounts (children of 
the same parent account) should also be sorted that way AMONG THEMSELVES 
(but not sorted that way with respect to children of different parents)


You aren't seeing the ultimate top level parent (aka "root") but "top 
level" accounts like "asset", "liability", "equity", "income", 
"expense", "Imbalance" are its children and so appear in sorted order. 
In other words, they are siblings at the highest level.


Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-12 Thread Alan A Holmes
As Adrien said in his reply if you sort on the Account Name column it should
be okay.

Personally, I sort on the Hidden column which I have displayed, mainly
because it puts the Imbalance and Orphan accounts together at the bottom of
the list and enables me to find errors in transactions quickly.
What I do notice sorting this way is that within the top level accounts
(Assets, Expenses, Income, etc.) that the 2nd and subsequent level Accounts
under Assets AREN'T sorted alphabetically, while those under Expenses and
Income ARE. I have insufficient sub-accounts under Equity and Liabilities to
be able to say.


Alan A Holmes

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ja...@comcast.net
Sent: 11 June 2022 12:29
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

I have been using gnucash for nearly 20 years. My account lists were a mess
until this spring when somehow I spent a day or two reorganizing everything
into a new and very well organized account tree.  For the life of me, I
don't remember how I was able to do that without losing the 20 years of data
stored in my accounts.  I would like to reorganize the order in which my
bank accounts are listed to make them in alphabetical order but I cannot
find a way to move the accounts in the account tree. I can go to the parent
account but that does not give me control to move the accounts around.  

Can someone tell me how to move accounts around in the
account list.  Thank you.  Chin00kie

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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-11 Thread Stan Brown
> On 6/11/22 6:29 AM, ja...@comcast.net wrote:
>> I would like to reorganize the order in which my bank accounts are
>> listed to make them in alphabetical order but I cannot find a way
>> to move the accounts in the account tree. I can go to the parent 
>> account but that does not give me control to move the accounts
>> around.

If you really want to sort by account name, in the Accounts panel click
on the "Account Name" header column header and notice the direction
arrow at the right of that header. You want it to be pointing up, to
sort in normal (increasing A to Z) order.

Personally, I find it easier to use the Account Code column. Giving
accounts numeric codes and then sorting in ascending order on that
field, when I add an account I find it easier to place that account in
just the position I want.

Also, GC accepts an account name or an account code when entering a
transaction, which simplifies data entry.


-- 

Stan Brown

Tehachapi, CA, USA

https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] How to reorganize the account tree

2022-06-11 Thread Adrien Monteleone
On the accounts tab there is a header with one of the headings having a 
down or up arrow in it. Use these to sort the tree.


You might be sorted by something other than Account Name.

Otherwise, they should default to an alpha sort unless you've prepended 
names with account numbers. (rather than putting the numbers in their 
own field)


Regards,
Adrien

On 6/11/22 6:29 AM, ja...@comcast.net wrote:

I have been using gnucash for nearly 20 years. My account lists were a mess
until this spring when somehow I spent a day or two reorganizing everything
into a new and very well organized account tree.  For the life of me, I
don't remember how I was able to do that without losing the 20 years of data
stored in my accounts.  I would like to reorganize the order in which my
bank accounts are listed to make them in alphabetical order but I cannot
find a way to move the accounts in the account tree. I can go to the parent
account but that does not give me control to move the accounts around.

 Can someone tell me how to move accounts around in the
account list.  Thank you.  Chin00kie


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