Re: [GNC] Moving from GnuCash 4.8 to GnuCash 5.5 - any issues likely to bite me?

[Adrien Monteleone]

A confirmation dialog that the Check & Repair was completed (maybe even 
with or without incident or a summary) would be nice to have, but I know 
the devs already have a full plate.


Perhaps file an RFE (Request For Enhancement) in the bug tracker if that 
one doesn't already exist.


Regards,
Adrien

On 5/14/24 10:02 AM, Phyllis Bruce wrote:

Thanks Richard, that helps too.  Didn’t know there was a progress bar
when I was trying to run it.


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Re: [GNC] Moving from GnuCash 4.8 to GnuCash 5.5 - any issues likely to bite me?

[Phyllis Bruce]

   Thanks Richard, that helps too.  Didn’t know there was a progress bar
   when I was trying to run it.

   Po

 On May 13, 2024, at 8:26 PM, R Losey  wrote:

   
   The Check & Repair used to be slow (minutes); somewhere along the way,
   there was a major improvement; it is so fast (less than a second) on my
   network file with 6+ years of data that I can barely see the progress
   bar. So, it may be running; just very, very quickly.
   On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 9:41 AM Phyllis Bruce <[1]pobruc...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

 Just when you thought you were done with this…..
 I’m running 4.13 on a windows 10 computer.  I have a big problem
 getting any reports to run properly but today it is the check and
 repair function.  No option that I choose gives me a “working”
 indication.  I’m trying to be proactive before upgrading.  Couldn’t
 find anything in the manual.
 > On May 12, 2024, at 3:30 AM, Chris Green <[2]c...@isbd.net> wrote:
 >
 > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 03:49:04PM -0500, Adrien Monteleone
 wrote:
 >>> On 5/11/24 3:08 PM, Chris Green wrote:
 >>> So, given that I'm going up just one major release I shouls be
 OK, but
 >>> running "Check & Repair" before doing anything else is a good
 idea.
 >
 >> Correct. The Check & Repair should run silently automatically
 upon first
 >> opening your file with 5.5, but it doesn't hurt to do it
 intentionally.
 >>
 >> The biggest change I recall between 4 & 5 is the new type-ahead
 search
 >> method for the Description field. I personally prefer the change,
 but
 >> some folks didn't like it by how they use that field and their
 unique
 >> list of existing Descriptions.
 >>
 >> There is also an issue for some, but not others with respect to
 >> registers not auto-filling memos from previous session
 transactions.
 >> (I'm one so affected) Mileage may vary on that one.
 >>
 >> As always - keep a backup.
 >>
 >> And since you are not on the last 4.x release on the old machine,
 I
 >> wouldn't go back and forth with the same file. Once you migrate,
 stick
 >> to 5.5 or drop back to 4.8 and stay there until you decide to
 finally
 >> make the upgrade should you notice any problems.
 >>
 > Thanks Adrien, that's just the sort of information/confirmation I
 > wanted. :-)
 >
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Re: [GNC] Moving from GnuCash 4.8 to GnuCash 5.5 - any issues likely to bite me?

[R Losey]

The Check & Repair used to be slow (minutes); somewhere along the way,
there was a major improvement; it is so fast (less than a second) on my
network file with 6+ years of data that I can barely see the progress bar.
So, it may be running; just very, very quickly.


On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 9:41 AM Phyllis Bruce  wrote:

> Just when you thought you were done with this…..
>
> I’m running 4.13 on a windows 10 computer.  I have a big problem getting
> any reports to run properly but today it is the check and repair function.
> No option that I choose gives me a “working” indication.  I’m trying to be
> proactive before upgrading.  Couldn’t find anything in the manual.
>
> > On May 12, 2024, at 3:30 AM, Chris Green  wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 03:49:04PM -0500, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> >>> On 5/11/24 3:08 PM, Chris Green wrote:
> >>> So, given that I'm going up just one major release I shouls be OK, but
> >>> running "Check & Repair" before doing anything else is a good idea.
> >
> >> Correct. The Check & Repair should run silently automatically upon first
> >> opening your file with 5.5, but it doesn't hurt to do it intentionally.
> >>
> >> The biggest change I recall between 4 & 5 is the new type-ahead search
> >> method for the Description field. I personally prefer the change, but
> >> some folks didn't like it by how they use that field and their unique
> >> list of existing Descriptions.
> >>
> >> There is also an issue for some, but not others with respect to
> >> registers not auto-filling memos from previous session transactions.
> >> (I'm one so affected) Mileage may vary on that one.
> >>
> >> As always - keep a backup.
> >>
> >> And since you are not on the last 4.x release on the old machine, I
> >> wouldn't go back and forth with the same file. Once you migrate, stick
> >> to 5.5 or drop back to 4.8 and stay there until you decide to finally
> >> make the upgrade should you notice any problems.
> >>
> > Thanks Adrien, that's just the sort of information/confirmation I
> > wanted. :-)
> >
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Re: [GNC] Moving from GnuCash 4.8 to GnuCash 5.5 - any issues likely to bite me?

[Adrien Monteleone]

I think there were issues too with reports on Linux with NVIDIA graphics 
though there is a workaround and if I'm not mistaken, now also a fix.


Regards,
Adrien

On 5/12/24 6:03 PM, Paul Kroitor wrote:

You're on a Linux platform so it won't directly matter, but be aware that
the Windows 5.5 version has a major bug (many reports don't work). It's
fixed in 5.5.1 and 5.6, so if you ever share your data files into the
Windows universe, it's unlikely it would be to 5.5.


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Re: [GNC] Moving from GnuCash 4.8 to GnuCash 5.5 - any issues likely to bite me?

[Phyllis Bruce]

   Thanks David, you are always a great help.  I have created a backup
   copy of the data file and have no scheduled transactions or business
   features to worry about.  I’ll (ahem) assume the check and repair has
   run. And will proceed with my upgrade.

   However, this old brain would like to complain that running reports is
   NOT intuitive, and the manual does not have a reasonable search
   function for instructions.

   The volunteers are deserving of kudos for creating this program, I
   generally have few problems and I will continue to use it.  It is as
   close to Microsoft Money as any I have found (I amend not a business
   owner.)  And so are you user volunteers who give so much if your time
   to help other users like me.

   Po

 On May 13, 2024, at 2:56 PM, David Carlson
  wrote:

   Phyllis,
   I have noticed that it is important to select the best starting point
   for your purpose.  I would also save the file before starting.
   If you start from an account rrgister and select check all, it only
   checks all the transactions in that register.  To check the entire
   file, start from the Account tree register or the General Ledger.
   Then it is sometimes easy to miss the prigress bar in the lower right
   corner of the window.  For a large file it could take several minutes,
   but if it has already run, I think it will silently fail to run a
   second time.  I don't know if there is a way to force it to try again.
   Finally, it does not check scheduled transactions or other
   non-transactional data such as business features.
   From a fellow user, I hope that helps.
   On Mon, May 13, 2024, 9:41 AM Phyllis Bruce <[1]pobruc...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

 Just when you thought you were done with this…..
 I’m running 4.13 on a windows 10 computer.  I have a big problem
 getting any reports to run properly but today it is the check and
 repair function.  No option that I choose gives me a “working”
 indication.  I’m trying to be proactive before upgrading.  Couldn’t
 find anything in the manual.
 > On May 12, 2024, at 3:30 AM, Chris Green <[2]c...@isbd.net> wrote:
 >
 > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 03:49:04PM -0500, Adrien Monteleone
 wrote:
 >>> On 5/11/24 3:08 PM, Chris Green wrote:
 >>> So, given that I'm going up just one major release I shouls be
 OK, but
 >>> running "Check & Repair" before doing anything else is a good
 idea.
 >
 >> Correct. The Check & Repair should run silently automatically
 upon first
 >> opening your file with 5.5, but it doesn't hurt to do it
 intentionally.
 >>
 >> The biggest change I recall between 4 & 5 is the new type-ahead
 search
 >> method for the Description field. I personally prefer the change,
 but
 >> some folks didn't like it by how they use that field and their
 unique
 >> list of existing Descriptions.
 >>
 >> There is also an issue for some, but not others with respect to
 >> registers not auto-filling memos from previous session
 transactions.
 >> (I'm one so affected) Mileage may vary on that one.
 >>
 >> As always - keep a backup.
 >>
 >> And since you are not on the last 4.x release on the old machine,
 I
 >> wouldn't go back and forth with the same file. Once you migrate,
 stick
 >> to 5.5 or drop back to 4.8 and stay there until you decide to
 finally
 >> make the upgrade should you notice any problems.
 >>
 > Thanks Adrien, that's just the sort of information/confirmation I
 > wanted. :-)
 >
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Re: [GNC] Moving from GnuCash 4.8 to GnuCash 5.5 - any issues likely to bite me?

[David Carlson]

Phyllis,

I have noticed that it is important to select the best starting point for
your purpose.  I would also save the file before starting.

If you start from an account rrgister and select check all, it only checks
all the transactions in that register.  To check the entire file, start
from the Account tree register or the General Ledger.

Then it is sometimes easy to miss the prigress bar in the lower right
corner of the window.  For a large file it could take several minutes, but
if it has already run, I think it will silently fail to run a second time.
I don't know if there is a way to force it to try again.

Finally, it does not check scheduled transactions or other
non-transactional data such as business features.

From a fellow user, I hope that helps.

On Mon, May 13, 2024, 9:41 AM Phyllis Bruce  wrote:

> Just when you thought you were done with this…..
>
> I’m running 4.13 on a windows 10 computer.  I have a big problem getting
> any reports to run properly but today it is the check and repair function.
> No option that I choose gives me a “working” indication.  I’m trying to be
> proactive before upgrading.  Couldn’t find anything in the manual.
>
> > On May 12, 2024, at 3:30 AM, Chris Green  wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 03:49:04PM -0500, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> >>> On 5/11/24 3:08 PM, Chris Green wrote:
> >>> So, given that I'm going up just one major release I shouls be OK, but
> >>> running "Check & Repair" before doing anything else is a good idea.
> >
> >> Correct. The Check & Repair should run silently automatically upon first
> >> opening your file with 5.5, but it doesn't hurt to do it intentionally.
> >>
> >> The biggest change I recall between 4 & 5 is the new type-ahead search
> >> method for the Description field. I personally prefer the change, but
> >> some folks didn't like it by how they use that field and their unique
> >> list of existing Descriptions.
> >>
> >> There is also an issue for some, but not others with respect to
> >> registers not auto-filling memos from previous session transactions.
> >> (I'm one so affected) Mileage may vary on that one.
> >>
> >> As always - keep a backup.
> >>
> >> And since you are not on the last 4.x release on the old machine, I
> >> wouldn't go back and forth with the same file. Once you migrate, stick
> >> to 5.5 or drop back to 4.8 and stay there until you decide to finally
> >> make the upgrade should you notice any problems.
> >>
> > Thanks Adrien, that's just the sort of information/confirmation I
> > wanted. :-)
> >
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Re: [GNC] Moving from GnuCash 4.8 to GnuCash 5.5 - any issues likely to bite me?

[Phyllis Bruce]

Just when you thought you were done with this…..

I’m running 4.13 on a windows 10 computer.  I have a big problem getting any 
reports to run properly but today it is the check and repair function.  No 
option that I choose gives me a “working” indication.  I’m trying to be 
proactive before upgrading.  Couldn’t find anything in the manual.

> On May 12, 2024, at 3:30 AM, Chris Green  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 03:49:04PM -0500, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>>> On 5/11/24 3:08 PM, Chris Green wrote:
>>> So, given that I'm going up just one major release I shouls be OK, but
>>> running "Check & Repair" before doing anything else is a good idea.
> 
>> Correct. The Check & Repair should run silently automatically upon first
>> opening your file with 5.5, but it doesn't hurt to do it intentionally.
>> 
>> The biggest change I recall between 4 & 5 is the new type-ahead search
>> method for the Description field. I personally prefer the change, but
>> some folks didn't like it by how they use that field and their unique
>> list of existing Descriptions.
>> 
>> There is also an issue for some, but not others with respect to
>> registers not auto-filling memos from previous session transactions.
>> (I'm one so affected) Mileage may vary on that one.
>> 
>> As always - keep a backup.
>> 
>> And since you are not on the last 4.x release on the old machine, I
>> wouldn't go back and forth with the same file. Once you migrate, stick
>> to 5.5 or drop back to 4.8 and stay there until you decide to finally
>> make the upgrade should you notice any problems.
>> 
> Thanks Adrien, that's just the sort of information/confirmation I
> wanted. :-)
> 
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Re: [GNC] Moving from GnuCash 4.8 to GnuCash 5.5 - any issues likely to bite me?

[Paul Kroitor]

You're on a Linux platform so it won't directly matter, but be aware that
the Windows 5.5 version has a major bug (many reports don't work). It's
fixed in 5.5.1 and 5.6, so if you ever share your data files into the
Windows universe, it's unlikely it would be to 5.5.

That said, I'm not aware any data file format changes within 5.x, so sending
data files from Linux 5.5 to Windows 5.6 should work regardless.

Paul

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To: Chris Green 
Cc: Gnucash Users 
Subject: [GNC] Moving from GnuCash 4.8 to GnuCash 5.5 - any issues likely to
bite me?

https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/releases describes the release changes
but your question is obviously about understanding the practical impact from
a user's perspective. I note lots of Gremlins reported in the mailing list
about V5.

https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2024-April/111721.html
seems relevant (no data file changes confirmed by lead developed), GnuCash
V4.14 being the last V4 release. Using the same data file with V4.14 or
V5.6 seems a low risk upgrade path as long as you are not running custom
reports.

Regards
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Re: [GNC] Moving from GnuCash 4.8 to GnuCash 5.5 - any issues likely to bite me?

[Chris Green]

On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 03:49:04PM -0500, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> On 5/11/24 3:08 PM, Chris Green wrote:
> > So, given that I'm going up just one major release I shouls be OK, but
> > running "Check & Repair" before doing anything else is a good idea.

> Correct. The Check & Repair should run silently automatically upon first 
> opening your file with 5.5, but it doesn't hurt to do it intentionally.
> 
> The biggest change I recall between 4 & 5 is the new type-ahead search 
> method for the Description field. I personally prefer the change, but 
> some folks didn't like it by how they use that field and their unique 
> list of existing Descriptions.
> 
> There is also an issue for some, but not others with respect to 
> registers not auto-filling memos from previous session transactions. 
> (I'm one so affected) Mileage may vary on that one.
> 
> As always - keep a backup.
> 
> And since you are not on the last 4.x release on the old machine, I 
> wouldn't go back and forth with the same file. Once you migrate, stick 
> to 5.5 or drop back to 4.8 and stay there until you decide to finally 
> make the upgrade should you notice any problems.
> 
Thanks Adrien, that's just the sort of information/confirmation I
wanted. :-)

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Re: [GNC] Moving from GnuCash 4.8 to GnuCash 5.5 - any issues likely to bite me?

[Adrien Monteleone]

Correct. The Check & Repair should run silently automatically upon first 
opening your file with 5.5, but it doesn't hurt to do it intentionally.


The biggest change I recall between 4 & 5 is the new type-ahead search 
method for the Description field. I personally prefer the change, but 
some folks didn't like it by how they use that field and their unique 
list of existing Descriptions.


There is also an issue for some, but not others with respect to 
registers not auto-filling memos from previous session transactions. 
(I'm one so affected) Mileage may vary on that one.


As always - keep a backup.

And since you are not on the last 4.x release on the old machine, I 
wouldn't go back and forth with the same file. Once you migrate, stick 
to 5.5 or drop back to 4.8 and stay there until you decide to finally 
make the upgrade should you notice any problems.


Regards,
Adrien

On 5/11/24 3:08 PM, Chris Green wrote:

So, given that I'm going up just one major release I shouls be OK, but
running "Check & Repair" before doing anything else is a good idea.



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Re: [GNC] Moving from GnuCash 4.8 to GnuCash 5.5 - any issues likely to bite me?

[Chris Green]

On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 12:45:11PM -0700, Jim DeLaHunt wrote:
> Chris:
> 
> On 2024-05-11 03:21, Chris Green wrote:
> > I am changing my Linux desktop computer from one running xubuntu 22.04
> > to one running xubuntu 24.04.  As a result of this the GnuCash version
> > will move from 4.8 to 5.5.
> >
> > Are there likely to be any problems or should it 'just work'?  I'm
> > using GnuCash with a sqlite database.
> >
> > I'm moving to new hardware so the old system will not disappear.
> 
> This FAQ is probably relevant for you:
> 
> "Can a new GnuCash release still read my old data file?"
> 
> 
> If that leaves you with questions, feel free to ask this list again.
> 
So, it says (among other things) :-

The data format between major release can change. However, the GnuCash
developers try very hard to be as compatible as possible. Each major
series is normally at least compatible with the previous major series.
So, for example, if you have a data file created with 2.0.3, you
should be able to open this with 2.2.5. Skipping a major release may
cause issues though, and is not recommended. Instead, you are advised
to at least open and save your file in the intervening major release
first.

So, given that I'm going up just one major release I shouls be OK, but
running "Check & Repair" before doing anything else is a good idea.


-- 
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Re: [GNC] Moving from GnuCash 4.8 to GnuCash 5.5 - any issues likely to bite me?

[Jim DeLaHunt]

Chris:

On 2024-05-11 03:21, Chris Green wrote:

I am changing my Linux desktop computer from one running xubuntu 22.04
to one running xubuntu 24.04.  As a result of this the GnuCash version
will move from 4.8 to 5.5.

Are there likely to be any problems or should it 'just work'?  I'm
using GnuCash with a sqlite database.

I'm moving to new hardware so the old system will not disappear.


This FAQ is probably relevant for you:

"Can a new GnuCash release still read my old data file?"


If that leaves you with questions, feel free to ask this list again.

Best regards,
 —Jim DeLaHunt


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