Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[Jack Frillman via gnucash-user]

I tried entering it like this for half an hour and  could not get to 
enter the values let alone finish the transaction.


But I did stumble on a way of doing it and it works for my needs anyway.

At least your example pointed me in the right direction to find a solution.

So not all wasted.

Thanks,
Jack

On 9/7/22 10:35 AM, John Layman wrote:

See attached clip.

-Original Message-


I tried something like that but couldn't get it work right.
Could you send a example screen shot?


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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[David Carlson]

I think it is 6 to 1 that it is ok to put a dividend payout in a security
account without buying or selling any shares if you want to do it that way.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 7:00 PM John Layman 
wrote:

> I disagree that there is no reason for a post-close dividend to affect the
> account of the investment.  Otherwise, the dividend is not attributed to
> the
> source and isn't reflected in its return.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gnucash-user 
> On Behalf Of Fred Bone
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 4:54 AM
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale
>
> On 06 September 2022 at 14:56, Jack Frillman said:
>
> [...]
> > The stock issues it's dividends at the end of each quarter. The stock
> > was sold before the end of the quarter and the dividend was issued
> > once the new quarter was entered. > > Regards, > John Ralls > >
>
> So there is no reason for it to affect the stock account, and specifically
> to affect the balance of the stock account. So what's the problem?
>
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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[John Layman]

I disagree that there is no reason for a post-close dividend to affect the
account of the investment.  Otherwise, the dividend is not attributed to the
source and isn't reflected in its return.

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user 
On Behalf Of Fred Bone
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 4:54 AM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

On 06 September 2022 at 14:56, Jack Frillman said:

[...]
> The stock issues it's dividends at the end of each quarter. The stock 
> was sold before the end of the quarter and the dividend was issued 
> once the new quarter was entered. > > Regards, > John Ralls > >

So there is no reason for it to affect the stock account, and specifically
to affect the balance of the stock account. So what's the problem?


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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[Jack Frillman via gnucash-user]

I will give that a try when I get a chance and will let you know.
Thanks,

On 9/7/22 10:35 AM, John Layman wrote:

See attached clip.

-Original Message-


I tried something like that but couldn't get it work right.
Could you send a example screen shot?


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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[Jack Frillman via gnucash-user]

I tried something like that but couldn't get it work right.
Could you send a example screen shot?

On 9/6/22 11:12 AM, John Layman wrote:

I've had the same situation, but did add a zero-share split to the closed
account.  One side was a deposit to the brokerage core account, the other to
Income:Dividends:Tax-Advantaged.

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user 
On Behalf Of Jack Frillman via gnucash-user
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 1:13 PM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

No I didn't delete the account?
Why would I do silly thing like that and lose all that history?

The account is hidden because it's balance is 0.

Reappearing means exactly what it says.
I was no longer in the account tree, i.e. list, because after the sale it's
balance became 0. No matter how I record that late dividend the balance
becomes non 0 and the account reappears in the account tree or list.

I don't under stand the last part.

On 9/5/22 12:59 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

You deleted the account holding the fund after selling it?

Otherwise, and unless you marked it 'hidden' it will always be there.
Having activity in it doesn't change that. But you wouldn't have
activity in it anyway from a dividend.

What *exactly* do you mean by 'reappearing in my account list' and by
'screwing everything else up'?

A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset account
('bank' or a brokerage cash account if direct deposit, 'undeposited
funds' if by paper check) according to how you received the money, and
an Income/Revenue account, say 'Dividends Received'. The FundXYZ
account shouldn't be touched at all.

Regards,
Adrien

On 9/5/22 11:41 AM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:

Last month I sold a mutual fund say XYZ.
Several weeks after the sale closed and the calendar date went into
the next quarter I received a dividend from XYZ.
How do I enter that dividend transaction for XYZ without having it
reappearing in my account list and screwing everything else up?


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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[Jack Frillman via gnucash-user]

You’re the one lashing out. Take a chill pill

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> On Sep 7, 2022, at 12:51 AM, David T.  wrote:
> 
> Jack: 
> 
> DRIP="Dividend Re-Investment Plan"
> 
> It seems to me that you've decided, in your frustration, to lash out at the 
> people who are trying to understand your problem and offer you help. That's 
> not a good look. You've testily confirmed that you haven't received shares 
> from this dividend, and dismissed the writers asking this reasonable 
> question. Your lack of discussion regarding the technical reporting 
> requirements for ROI ("Return On Investment") scenarios implies that this is 
> not your concern.
> 
> It seems to me that you have yet really to explain your original problem 
> clearly-- specifically, what exactly is showing up now that you've received 
> additional money from the disposed asset? Is it a balance in the Chart of 
> Accounts? Is it a balance in some report? *Where* is this transaction going 
> to screw things up? 
> 
> Others have explained that receipt of cash (in a transaction from income into 
> some brokerage cash account) would not affect any display of the commodity 
> account. It's like some random relative sending you $50: you enter the income 
> as coming from Income and going into your checking account. How would this 
> dividend be different? 
> 
> David T.
> 
>> On September 7, 2022 5:43:16 AM GMT+03:00, David Carlson 
>>  wrote:
>> You need to use nouns instead of pronouns
>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 8:44 PM Jack Frillman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What ever what that is.
>>> 
>>> On 9/6/22 7:38 PM, David Carlson wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some DRIPS work that way
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 6:17 PM Jack Frillman  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Cash of course.
>>>> How can you reinvest in something you no longer have?
>>>> 
>>>> ——
>>>> I smell carrots a-cooking and where there’s carrots, there’s a rabbit.
>>>> — Yosemite Sam
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 6, 2022, at 7:04 PM, David Carlson 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Jack,
>>>> John Ralls asked whether you received shares or cash.  It makes a
>>>> difference.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 4:30 PM John Layman <
>>>> john.lay...@laymanandlayman.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I've had the same situation, but did add a zero-share split to the closed
>>>>> account.  One side was a deposit to the brokerage core account, the
>>>>> other to
>>>>> Income:Dividends:Tax-Advantaged.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: gnucash-user >>>> ieee@gnucash.org>
>>>>> On Behalf Of Jack Frillman via gnucash-user
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 1:13 PM
>>>>> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale
>>>>> 
>>>>> No I didn't delete the account?
>>>>> Why would I do silly thing like that and lose all that history?
>>>>> 
>>>>> The account is hidden because it's balance is 0.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reappearing means exactly what it says.
>>>>> I was no longer in the account tree, i.e. list, because after the sale
>>>>> it's
>>>>> balance became 0. No matter how I record that late dividend the balance
>>>>> becomes non 0 and the account reappears in the account tree or list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't under stand the last part.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 9/5/22 12:59 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>>>>>> You deleted the account holding the fund after selling it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Otherwise, and unless you marked it 'hidden' it will always be there.
>>>>>> Having activity in it doesn't change that. But you wouldn't have
>>>>>> activity in it anyway from a dividend.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What *exactly* do you mean by 'reappearing in my account list' and by
>>>>>> 'screwing everything else up'?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset account
>>>>>> ('bank' or a brokerage cash account if direct deposit, 'undeposited
>>>>>> funds' if by paper check) according to how you receiv

Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[Fred Bone]

On 06 September 2022 at 14:56, Jack Frillman said:

[...]
> The stock issues it's dividends at the end of each quarter. The stock was
> sold before the end of the quarter and the dividend was issued once the
> new quarter was entered. > > Regards, > John Ralls > >

So there is no reason for it to affect the stock account, and 
specifically to affect the balance of the stock account. So what's the 
problem?


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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Jack: 

DRIP="Dividend Re-Investment Plan"

It seems to me that you've decided, in your frustration, to lash out at the 
people who are trying to understand your problem and offer you help. That's not 
a good look. You've testily confirmed that you haven't received shares from 
this dividend, and dismissed the writers asking this reasonable question. Your 
lack of discussion regarding the technical reporting requirements for ROI 
("Return On Investment") scenarios implies that this is not your concern.

It seems to me that you have yet really to explain your original problem 
clearly-- specifically, what exactly is showing up now that you've received 
additional money from the disposed asset? Is it a balance in the Chart of 
Accounts? Is it a balance in some report? *Where* is this transaction going to 
screw things up? 

Others have explained that receipt of cash (in a transaction from income into 
some brokerage cash account) would not affect any display of the commodity 
account. It's like some random relative sending you $50: you enter the income 
as coming from Income and going into your checking account. How would this 
dividend be different? 

David T.

On September 7, 2022 5:43:16 AM GMT+03:00, David Carlson 
 wrote:
>You need to use nouns instead of pronouns
>
>On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 8:44 PM Jack Frillman  wrote:
>
>> What ever what that is.
>>
>> On 9/6/22 7:38 PM, David Carlson wrote:
>>
>> Some DRIPS work that way
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 6:17 PM Jack Frillman  wrote:
>>
>>> Cash of course.
>>> How can you reinvest in something you no longer have?
>>>
>>> ——
>>> I smell carrots a-cooking and where there’s carrots, there’s a rabbit.
>>> — Yosemite Sam
>>>
>>> On Sep 6, 2022, at 7:04 PM, David Carlson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Jack,
>>> John Ralls asked whether you received shares or cash.  It makes a
>>> difference.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 4:30 PM John Layman <
>>> john.lay...@laymanandlayman.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've had the same situation, but did add a zero-share split to the closed
>>>> account.  One side was a deposit to the brokerage core account, the
>>>> other to
>>>> Income:Dividends:Tax-Advantaged.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: gnucash-user >>> ieee@gnucash.org>
>>>> On Behalf Of Jack Frillman via gnucash-user
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 1:13 PM
>>>> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale
>>>>
>>>> No I didn't delete the account?
>>>> Why would I do silly thing like that and lose all that history?
>>>>
>>>> The account is hidden because it's balance is 0.
>>>>
>>>> Reappearing means exactly what it says.
>>>> I was no longer in the account tree, i.e. list, because after the sale
>>>> it's
>>>> balance became 0. No matter how I record that late dividend the balance
>>>> becomes non 0 and the account reappears in the account tree or list.
>>>>
>>>> I don't under stand the last part.
>>>>
>>>> On 9/5/22 12:59 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>>>> > You deleted the account holding the fund after selling it?
>>>> >
>>>> > Otherwise, and unless you marked it 'hidden' it will always be there.
>>>> > Having activity in it doesn't change that. But you wouldn't have
>>>> > activity in it anyway from a dividend.
>>>> >
>>>> > What *exactly* do you mean by 'reappearing in my account list' and by
>>>> > 'screwing everything else up'?
>>>> >
>>>> > A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset account
>>>> > ('bank' or a brokerage cash account if direct deposit, 'undeposited
>>>> > funds' if by paper check) according to how you received the money, and
>>>> > an Income/Revenue account, say 'Dividends Received'. The FundXYZ
>>>> > account shouldn't be touched at all.
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards,
>>>> > Adrien
>>>> >
>>>> > On 9/5/22 11:41 AM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:
>>>> >> Last month I sold a mutual fund say XYZ.
>>>> >> Several weeks after the sale closed and the calendar date went into
>>>> >> the next quarter I received a dividend from XYZ.
>>>> >> How do I enter that dividend transaction 

Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[David Carlson]

You need to use nouns instead of pronouns

On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 8:44 PM Jack Frillman  wrote:

> What ever what that is.
>
> On 9/6/22 7:38 PM, David Carlson wrote:
>
> Some DRIPS work that way
>
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 6:17 PM Jack Frillman  wrote:
>
>> Cash of course.
>> How can you reinvest in something you no longer have?
>>
>> ——
>> I smell carrots a-cooking and where there’s carrots, there’s a rabbit.
>> — Yosemite Sam
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2022, at 7:04 PM, David Carlson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Jack,
>> John Ralls asked whether you received shares or cash.  It makes a
>> difference.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 4:30 PM John Layman <
>> john.lay...@laymanandlayman.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've had the same situation, but did add a zero-share split to the closed
>>> account.  One side was a deposit to the brokerage core account, the
>>> other to
>>> Income:Dividends:Tax-Advantaged.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-----
>>> From: gnucash-user >> ieee@gnucash.org>
>>> On Behalf Of Jack Frillman via gnucash-user
>>> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 1:13 PM
>>> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale
>>>
>>> No I didn't delete the account?
>>> Why would I do silly thing like that and lose all that history?
>>>
>>> The account is hidden because it's balance is 0.
>>>
>>> Reappearing means exactly what it says.
>>> I was no longer in the account tree, i.e. list, because after the sale
>>> it's
>>> balance became 0. No matter how I record that late dividend the balance
>>> becomes non 0 and the account reappears in the account tree or list.
>>>
>>> I don't under stand the last part.
>>>
>>> On 9/5/22 12:59 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>>> > You deleted the account holding the fund after selling it?
>>> >
>>> > Otherwise, and unless you marked it 'hidden' it will always be there.
>>> > Having activity in it doesn't change that. But you wouldn't have
>>> > activity in it anyway from a dividend.
>>> >
>>> > What *exactly* do you mean by 'reappearing in my account list' and by
>>> > 'screwing everything else up'?
>>> >
>>> > A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset account
>>> > ('bank' or a brokerage cash account if direct deposit, 'undeposited
>>> > funds' if by paper check) according to how you received the money, and
>>> > an Income/Revenue account, say 'Dividends Received'. The FundXYZ
>>> > account shouldn't be touched at all.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Adrien
>>> >
>>> > On 9/5/22 11:41 AM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:
>>> >> Last month I sold a mutual fund say XYZ.
>>> >> Several weeks after the sale closed and the calendar date went into
>>> >> the next quarter I received a dividend from XYZ.
>>> >> How do I enter that dividend transaction for XYZ without having it
>>> >> reappearing in my account list and screwing everything else up?
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[Jack Frillman via gnucash-user]

What ever what that is.

On 9/6/22 7:38 PM, David Carlson wrote:

Some DRIPS work that way

On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 6:17 PM Jack Frillman  wrote:

Cash of course.
How can you reinvest in something you no longer have?

——
I smell carrots a-cooking and where there’s carrots, there’s a
rabbit.
— Yosemite Sam


On Sep 6, 2022, at 7:04 PM, David Carlson
 wrote:


Jack,
John Ralls asked whether you received shares or cash.  It makes a
difference.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 4:30 PM John Layman
 wrote:

I've had the same situation, but did add a zero-share split
to the closed
account.  One side was a deposit to the brokerage core
account, the other to
Income:Dividends:Tax-Advantaged.

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user

On Behalf Of Jack Frillman via gnucash-user
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 1:13 PM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

No I didn't delete the account?
Why would I do silly thing like that and lose all that history?

The account is hidden because it's balance is 0.

Reappearing means exactly what it says.
I was no longer in the account tree, i.e. list, because after
the sale it's
balance became 0. No matter how I record that late dividend
the balance
becomes non 0 and the account reappears in the account tree
or list.

I don't under stand the last part.

On 9/5/22 12:59 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> You deleted the account holding the fund after selling it?
>
> Otherwise, and unless you marked it 'hidden' it will always
be there.
> Having activity in it doesn't change that. But you wouldn't
have
> activity in it anyway from a dividend.
>
> What *exactly* do you mean by 'reappearing in my account
list' and by
> 'screwing everything else up'?
>
> A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset
account
> ('bank' or a brokerage cash account if direct deposit,
'undeposited
> funds' if by paper check) according to how you received the
money, and
> an Income/Revenue account, say 'Dividends Received'. The
FundXYZ
> account shouldn't be touched at all.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 9/5/22 11:41 AM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:
>> Last month I sold a mutual fund say XYZ.
>> Several weeks after the sale closed and the calendar date
went into
>> the next quarter I received a dividend from XYZ.
>> How do I enter that dividend transaction for XYZ without
having it
>> reappearing in my account list and screwing everything
else up?
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[David Carlson]

Some DRIPS work that way

On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 6:17 PM Jack Frillman  wrote:

> Cash of course.
> How can you reinvest in something you no longer have?
>
> ——
> I smell carrots a-cooking and where there’s carrots, there’s a rabbit.
> — Yosemite Sam
>
> On Sep 6, 2022, at 7:04 PM, David Carlson 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Jack,
> John Ralls asked whether you received shares or cash.  It makes a
> difference.
>
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 4:30 PM John Layman <
> john.lay...@laymanandlayman.com> wrote:
>
>> I've had the same situation, but did add a zero-share split to the closed
>> account.  One side was a deposit to the brokerage core account, the other
>> to
>> Income:Dividends:Tax-Advantaged.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: gnucash-user > >
>> On Behalf Of Jack Frillman via gnucash-user
>> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 1:13 PM
>> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale
>>
>> No I didn't delete the account?
>> Why would I do silly thing like that and lose all that history?
>>
>> The account is hidden because it's balance is 0.
>>
>> Reappearing means exactly what it says.
>> I was no longer in the account tree, i.e. list, because after the sale
>> it's
>> balance became 0. No matter how I record that late dividend the balance
>> becomes non 0 and the account reappears in the account tree or list.
>>
>> I don't under stand the last part.
>>
>> On 9/5/22 12:59 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>> > You deleted the account holding the fund after selling it?
>> >
>> > Otherwise, and unless you marked it 'hidden' it will always be there.
>> > Having activity in it doesn't change that. But you wouldn't have
>> > activity in it anyway from a dividend.
>> >
>> > What *exactly* do you mean by 'reappearing in my account list' and by
>> > 'screwing everything else up'?
>> >
>> > A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset account
>> > ('bank' or a brokerage cash account if direct deposit, 'undeposited
>> > funds' if by paper check) according to how you received the money, and
>> > an Income/Revenue account, say 'Dividends Received'. The FundXYZ
>> > account shouldn't be touched at all.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Adrien
>> >
>> > On 9/5/22 11:41 AM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:
>> >> Last month I sold a mutual fund say XYZ.
>> >> Several weeks after the sale closed and the calendar date went into
>> >> the next quarter I received a dividend from XYZ.
>> >> How do I enter that dividend transaction for XYZ without having it
>> >> reappearing in my account list and screwing everything else up?
>> >
>> >
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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[Jack Frillman via gnucash-user]

Cash of course. 
How can you reinvest in something you no longer have?

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> On Sep 6, 2022, at 7:04 PM, David Carlson  wrote:
> 
> 
> Jack,
> John Ralls asked whether you received shares or cash.  It makes a difference.
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 4:30 PM John Layman  
>> wrote:
>> I've had the same situation, but did add a zero-share split to the closed
>> account.  One side was a deposit to the brokerage core account, the other to
>> Income:Dividends:Tax-Advantaged.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: gnucash-user 
>> On Behalf Of Jack Frillman via gnucash-user
>> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 1:13 PM
>> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale
>> 
>> No I didn't delete the account?
>> Why would I do silly thing like that and lose all that history?
>> 
>> The account is hidden because it's balance is 0.
>> 
>> Reappearing means exactly what it says.
>> I was no longer in the account tree, i.e. list, because after the sale it's
>> balance became 0. No matter how I record that late dividend the balance
>> becomes non 0 and the account reappears in the account tree or list.
>> 
>> I don't under stand the last part.
>> 
>> On 9/5/22 12:59 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>> > You deleted the account holding the fund after selling it?
>> >
>> > Otherwise, and unless you marked it 'hidden' it will always be there. 
>> > Having activity in it doesn't change that. But you wouldn't have 
>> > activity in it anyway from a dividend.
>> >
>> > What *exactly* do you mean by 'reappearing in my account list' and by 
>> > 'screwing everything else up'?
>> >
>> > A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset account 
>> > ('bank' or a brokerage cash account if direct deposit, 'undeposited 
>> > funds' if by paper check) according to how you received the money, and 
>> > an Income/Revenue account, say 'Dividends Received'. The FundXYZ 
>> > account shouldn't be touched at all.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Adrien
>> >
>> > On 9/5/22 11:41 AM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:
>> >> Last month I sold a mutual fund say XYZ.
>> >> Several weeks after the sale closed and the calendar date went into 
>> >> the next quarter I received a dividend from XYZ.
>> >> How do I enter that dividend transaction for XYZ without having it 
>> >> reappearing in my account list and screwing everything else up?
>> >
>> >
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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[David Carlson]

Jack,
John Ralls asked whether you received shares or cash.  It makes a
difference.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 4:30 PM John Layman 
wrote:

> I've had the same situation, but did add a zero-share split to the closed
> account.  One side was a deposit to the brokerage core account, the other
> to
> Income:Dividends:Tax-Advantaged.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gnucash-user 
> On Behalf Of Jack Frillman via gnucash-user
> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 1:13 PM
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale
>
> No I didn't delete the account?
> Why would I do silly thing like that and lose all that history?
>
> The account is hidden because it's balance is 0.
>
> Reappearing means exactly what it says.
> I was no longer in the account tree, i.e. list, because after the sale it's
> balance became 0. No matter how I record that late dividend the balance
> becomes non 0 and the account reappears in the account tree or list.
>
> I don't under stand the last part.
>
> On 9/5/22 12:59 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> > You deleted the account holding the fund after selling it?
> >
> > Otherwise, and unless you marked it 'hidden' it will always be there.
> > Having activity in it doesn't change that. But you wouldn't have
> > activity in it anyway from a dividend.
> >
> > What *exactly* do you mean by 'reappearing in my account list' and by
> > 'screwing everything else up'?
> >
> > A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset account
> > ('bank' or a brokerage cash account if direct deposit, 'undeposited
> > funds' if by paper check) according to how you received the money, and
> > an Income/Revenue account, say 'Dividends Received'. The FundXYZ
> > account shouldn't be touched at all.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> >
> > On 9/5/22 11:41 AM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:
> >> Last month I sold a mutual fund say XYZ.
> >> Several weeks after the sale closed and the calendar date went into
> >> the next quarter I received a dividend from XYZ.
> >> How do I enter that dividend transaction for XYZ without having it
> >> reappearing in my account list and screwing everything else up?
> >
> >
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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[John Layman]

I've had the same situation, but did add a zero-share split to the closed
account.  One side was a deposit to the brokerage core account, the other to
Income:Dividends:Tax-Advantaged.

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user 
On Behalf Of Jack Frillman via gnucash-user
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 1:13 PM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

No I didn't delete the account?
Why would I do silly thing like that and lose all that history?

The account is hidden because it's balance is 0.

Reappearing means exactly what it says.
I was no longer in the account tree, i.e. list, because after the sale it's
balance became 0. No matter how I record that late dividend the balance
becomes non 0 and the account reappears in the account tree or list.

I don't under stand the last part.

On 9/5/22 12:59 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> You deleted the account holding the fund after selling it?
>
> Otherwise, and unless you marked it 'hidden' it will always be there. 
> Having activity in it doesn't change that. But you wouldn't have 
> activity in it anyway from a dividend.
>
> What *exactly* do you mean by 'reappearing in my account list' and by 
> 'screwing everything else up'?
>
> A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset account 
> ('bank' or a brokerage cash account if direct deposit, 'undeposited 
> funds' if by paper check) according to how you received the money, and 
> an Income/Revenue account, say 'Dividends Received'. The FundXYZ 
> account shouldn't be touched at all.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 9/5/22 11:41 AM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:
>> Last month I sold a mutual fund say XYZ.
>> Several weeks after the sale closed and the calendar date went into 
>> the next quarter I received a dividend from XYZ.
>> How do I enter that dividend transaction for XYZ without having it 
>> reappearing in my account list and screwing everything else up?
>
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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[Jack Frillman via gnucash-user]

On 9/6/22 1:58 PM, john wrote:




On Sep 6, 2022, at 5:56 AM, Jack Frillman  wrote:



On 9/5/22 11:53 PM, john wrote:



On Sep 5, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user 
 wrote:




On 9/5/22 3:09 PM, John Ralls wrote:
On Sep 5, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
 wrote:


On 9/5/22 12:13 PM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:

No I didn't delete the account?
Why would I do silly thing like that and lose all that history?
The account is hidden because it's balance is 0.
Reappearing means exactly what it says.
I was no longer in the account tree, i.e. list, because after 
the sale it's balance became 0. No matter how I record that late 
dividend the balance becomes non 0 and the account reappears in 
the account tree or list.

I didn't think you deleted it, but wasn't sure what was going on.

I can set an account with a non-zero balance to 'hidden' and it 
stays that way, even with subsequent activity. I can set it to 
hidden with a zero balance, add another transaction to make it 
non-zero, and it stays hidden. I'm not sure why your account is 
showing up.


Did you by chance set a View filter on your Accounts tab that 
would affect this?

I don't under stand the last part.

A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset account 
('bank' or a brokerage cash account if direct deposit, 
'undeposited funds' if by paper check) according to how you 
received the money, and an Income/Revenue account, say 
'Dividends Received'. The FundXYZ account shouldn't be touched 
at all.
As it states, 'normally' a dividend transaction doesn't involve 
the fund/stock at all. It is a separate transaction between asset 
& income accounts. Though David just informed me that there may 
be times you might record it there, which I had not thought of.
In both cases you record an empty split to the stock account. That 
doesn't change the account's balance and therefore won't unhide it 
from the Accounts page.



And how do I do that?


See 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/invest-dividends1.html#invest-dividendcash.


Did you have dividend reinvestments turned on? Were you posting 
dividends the way that the next section, Dividends Reinvested, 
recommends? Was that last post-sale dividend reinvested so that you 
had to do a second sale?
Not sure what you mean by "turned on" but the previous dividends were 
reinvested and were entered manually.


Dividend reinvestment is optional with most open-ended mutual funds, 
so "turned on" means that you have accepted the option.


You didn't answer the last, most important, question: Was the last 
dividend, the one that's the subject of your original question, 
reinvested so that you had shares in the fund again and had to sell 
them to re-close the position?


It's an earlier post.
The stock issues it's dividends at the end of each quarter. The stock 
was sold before the end of the quarter and the dividend was issued once 
the new quarter was entered.


Regards,
John Ralls




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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[john]

> On Sep 6, 2022, at 5:56 AM, Jack Frillman  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/5/22 11:53 PM, john wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user 
>>>   wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/5/22 3:09 PM, John Ralls wrote:
> On Sep 5, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>   
> wrote:
> 
> On 9/5/22 12:13 PM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:
>> No I didn't delete the account?
>> Why would I do silly thing like that and lose all that history?
>> The account is hidden because it's balance is 0.
>> Reappearing means exactly what it says.
>> I was no longer in the account tree, i.e. list, because after the sale 
>> it's balance became 0. No matter how I record that late dividend the 
>> balance becomes non 0 and the account reappears in the account tree or 
>> list.
> I didn't think you deleted it, but wasn't sure what was going on.
> 
> I can set an account with a non-zero balance to 'hidden' and it stays 
> that way, even with subsequent activity. I can set it to hidden with a 
> zero balance, add another transaction to make it non-zero, and it stays 
> hidden. I'm not sure why your account is showing up.
> 
> Did you by chance set a View filter on your Accounts tab that would 
> affect this?
>> I don't under stand the last part.
>> 
>>> A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset account ('bank' 
>>> or a brokerage cash account if direct deposit, 'undeposited funds' if 
>>> by paper check) according to how you received the money, and an 
>>> Income/Revenue account, say 'Dividends Received'. The FundXYZ account 
>>> shouldn't be touched at all.
> As it states, 'normally' a dividend transaction doesn't involve the 
> fund/stock at all. It is a separate transaction between asset & income 
> accounts. Though David just informed me that there may be times you might 
> record it there, which I had not thought of.
 In both cases you record an empty split to the stock account. That doesn't 
 change the account's balance and therefore won't unhide it from the 
 Accounts page.
 
>>> And how do I do that?
>> 
>> See 
>> https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/invest-dividends1.html#invest-dividendcash.
>> 
>> Did you have dividend reinvestments turned on? Were you posting dividends 
>> the way that the next section, Dividends Reinvested, recommends? Was that 
>> last post-sale dividend reinvested so that you had to do a second sale?
> Not sure what you mean by "turned on" but the previous dividends were 
> reinvested and were entered manually.

Dividend reinvestment is optional with most open-ended mutual funds, so "turned 
on" means that you have accepted the option.

You didn't answer the last, most important, question: Was the last dividend, 
the one that's the subject of your original question, reinvested so that you 
had shares in the fund again and had to sell them to re-close the position?

Regards,
John Ralls


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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[Jack Frillman via gnucash-user]

On 9/5/22 11:53 PM, john wrote:



On Sep 5, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user 
 wrote:




On 9/5/22 3:09 PM, John Ralls wrote:
On Sep 5, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
 wrote:


On 9/5/22 12:13 PM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:

No I didn't delete the account?
Why would I do silly thing like that and lose all that history?
The account is hidden because it's balance is 0.
Reappearing means exactly what it says.
I was no longer in the account tree, i.e. list, because after the 
sale it's balance became 0. No matter how I record that late 
dividend the balance becomes non 0 and the account reappears in 
the account tree or list.

I didn't think you deleted it, but wasn't sure what was going on.

I can set an account with a non-zero balance to 'hidden' and it 
stays that way, even with subsequent activity. I can set it to 
hidden with a zero balance, add another transaction to make it 
non-zero, and it stays hidden. I'm not sure why your account is 
showing up.


Did you by chance set a View filter on your Accounts tab that would 
affect this?

I don't under stand the last part.

A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset account 
('bank' or a brokerage cash account if direct deposit, 
'undeposited funds' if by paper check) according to how you 
received the money, and an Income/Revenue account, say 'Dividends 
Received'. The FundXYZ account shouldn't be touched at all.
As it states, 'normally' a dividend transaction doesn't involve the 
fund/stock at all. It is a separate transaction between asset & 
income accounts. Though David just informed me that there may be 
times you might record it there, which I had not thought of.
In both cases you record an empty split to the stock account. That 
doesn't change the account's balance and therefore won't unhide it 
from the Accounts page.



And how do I do that?


See 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/invest-dividends1.html#invest-dividendcash.


Did you have dividend reinvestments turned on? Were you posting 
dividends the way that the next section, Dividends Reinvested, 
recommends? Was that last post-sale dividend reinvested so that you 
had to do a second sale?
Not sure what you mean by "turned on" but the previous dividends were 
reinvested and were entered manually.


Regards,
John Ralls



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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[john]

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/5/22 3:09 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 9/5/22 12:13 PM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:
 No I didn't delete the account?
 Why would I do silly thing like that and lose all that history?
 The account is hidden because it's balance is 0.
 Reappearing means exactly what it says.
 I was no longer in the account tree, i.e. list, because after the sale 
 it's balance became 0. No matter how I record that late dividend the 
 balance becomes non 0 and the account reappears in the account tree or 
 list.
>>> I didn't think you deleted it, but wasn't sure what was going on.
>>> 
>>> I can set an account with a non-zero balance to 'hidden' and it stays that 
>>> way, even with subsequent activity. I can set it to hidden with a zero 
>>> balance, add another transaction to make it non-zero, and it stays hidden. 
>>> I'm not sure why your account is showing up.
>>> 
>>> Did you by chance set a View filter on your Accounts tab that would affect 
>>> this?
 I don't under stand the last part.
 
> A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset account ('bank' 
> or a brokerage cash account if direct deposit, 'undeposited funds' if by 
> paper check) according to how you received the money, and an 
> Income/Revenue account, say 'Dividends Received'. The FundXYZ account 
> shouldn't be touched at all.
>>> As it states, 'normally' a dividend transaction doesn't involve the 
>>> fund/stock at all. It is a separate transaction between asset & income 
>>> accounts. Though David just informed me that there may be times you might 
>>> record it there, which I had not thought of.
>> In both cases you record an empty split to the stock account. That doesn't 
>> change the account's balance and therefore won't unhide it from the Accounts 
>> page.
>> 
> And how do I do that?

See 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/invest-dividends1.html#invest-dividendcash.

Did you have dividend reinvestments turned on? Were you posting dividends the 
way that the next section, Dividends Reinvested, recommends? Was that last 
post-sale dividend reinvested so that you had to do a second sale?

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[David Carlson]

If you had previous dividends open up one of those transactions, then while
the curser is sitting in the description box click Transaction > Duplicate
Transaction.  Set the date to the correct date, then tab down to the last
split line and add a split to the security account.  No need to enter any
values other than a memo describing why you did that.

On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 6:06 PM Jack Frillman via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 9/5/22 3:09 PM, John Ralls wrote:
> >> On Sep 5, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Adrien Monteleone <
> adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 9/5/22 12:13 PM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:
> >>> No I didn't delete the account?
> >>> Why would I do silly thing like that and lose all that history?
> >>> The account is hidden because it's balance is 0.
> >>> Reappearing means exactly what it says.
> >>> I was no longer in the account tree, i.e. list, because after the sale
> it's balance became 0. No matter how I record that late dividend the
> balance becomes non 0 and the account reappears in the account tree or list.
> >> I didn't think you deleted it, but wasn't sure what was going on.
> >>
> >> I can set an account with a non-zero balance to 'hidden' and it stays
> that way, even with subsequent activity. I can set it to hidden with a zero
> balance, add another transaction to make it non-zero, and it stays hidden.
> I'm not sure why your account is showing up.
> >>
> >> Did you by chance set a View filter on your Accounts tab that would
> affect this?
> >>> I don't under stand the last part.
> >>>
>  A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset account
> ('bank' or a brokerage cash account if direct deposit, 'undeposited funds'
> if by paper check) according to how you received the money, and an
> Income/Revenue account, say 'Dividends Received'. The FundXYZ account
> shouldn't be touched at all.
> >> As it states, 'normally' a dividend transaction doesn't involve the
> fund/stock at all. It is a separate transaction between asset & income
> accounts. Though David just informed me that there may be times you might
> record it there, which I had not thought of.
> > In both cases you record an empty split to the stock account. That
> doesn't change the account's balance and therefore won't unhide it from the
> Accounts page.
> >
> And how do I do that?
>
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[Jack Frillman via gnucash-user]

On 9/5/22 3:09 PM, John Ralls wrote:

On Sep 5, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Adrien Monteleone  
wrote:

On 9/5/22 12:13 PM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:

No I didn't delete the account?
Why would I do silly thing like that and lose all that history?
The account is hidden because it's balance is 0.
Reappearing means exactly what it says.
I was no longer in the account tree, i.e. list, because after the sale it's 
balance became 0. No matter how I record that late dividend the balance becomes 
non 0 and the account reappears in the account tree or list.

I didn't think you deleted it, but wasn't sure what was going on.

I can set an account with a non-zero balance to 'hidden' and it stays that way, 
even with subsequent activity. I can set it to hidden with a zero balance, add 
another transaction to make it non-zero, and it stays hidden. I'm not sure why 
your account is showing up.

Did you by chance set a View filter on your Accounts tab that would affect this?

I don't under stand the last part.


A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset account ('bank' or a 
brokerage cash account if direct deposit, 'undeposited funds' if by paper 
check) according to how you received the money, and an Income/Revenue account, 
say 'Dividends Received'. The FundXYZ account shouldn't be touched at all.

As it states, 'normally' a dividend transaction doesn't involve the fund/stock at 
all. It is a separate transaction between asset & income accounts. Though David 
just informed me that there may be times you might record it there, which I had not 
thought of.

In both cases you record an empty split to the stock account. That doesn't 
change the account's balance and therefore won't unhide it from the Accounts 
page.


And how do I do that?


Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[Jack Frillman via gnucash-user]

On 9/5/22 1:32 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

On 9/5/22 12:13 PM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:

No I didn't delete the account?
Why would I do silly thing like that and lose all that history?

The account is hidden because it's balance is 0.

Reappearing means exactly what it says.
I was no longer in the account tree, i.e. list, because after the 
sale it's balance became 0. No matter how I record that late dividend 
the balance becomes non 0 and the account reappears in the account 
tree or list.


I didn't think you deleted it, but wasn't sure what was going on.

I can set an account with a non-zero balance to 'hidden' and it stays 
that way, even with subsequent activity. I can set it to hidden with a 
zero balance, add another transaction to make it non-zero, and it 
stays hidden. I'm not sure why your account is showing up.


Did you by chance set a View filter on your Accounts tab that would 
affect this?

No.



I don't under stand the last part.

A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset account 
('bank' or a brokerage cash account if direct deposit, 'undeposited 
funds' if by paper check) according to how you received the money, 
and an Income/Revenue account, say 'Dividends Received'. The FundXYZ 
account shouldn't be touched at all.


As it states, 'normally' a dividend transaction doesn't involve the 
fund/stock at all. It is a separate transaction between asset & income 
accounts. Though David just informed me that there may be times you 
might record it there, which I had not thought of.


Regards,
Adrien


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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[John Ralls]

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 9/5/22 12:13 PM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:
>> No I didn't delete the account?
>> Why would I do silly thing like that and lose all that history?
>> The account is hidden because it's balance is 0.
>> Reappearing means exactly what it says.
>> I was no longer in the account tree, i.e. list, because after the sale it's 
>> balance became 0. No matter how I record that late dividend the balance 
>> becomes non 0 and the account reappears in the account tree or list.
> 
> I didn't think you deleted it, but wasn't sure what was going on.
> 
> I can set an account with a non-zero balance to 'hidden' and it stays that 
> way, even with subsequent activity. I can set it to hidden with a zero 
> balance, add another transaction to make it non-zero, and it stays hidden. 
> I'm not sure why your account is showing up.
> 
> Did you by chance set a View filter on your Accounts tab that would affect 
> this?
>> I don't under stand the last part.
>> 
>>> A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset account ('bank' or 
>>> a brokerage cash account if direct deposit, 'undeposited funds' if by paper 
>>> check) according to how you received the money, and an Income/Revenue 
>>> account, say 'Dividends Received'. The FundXYZ account shouldn't be touched 
>>> at all.
> 
> As it states, 'normally' a dividend transaction doesn't involve the 
> fund/stock at all. It is a separate transaction between asset & income 
> accounts. Though David just informed me that there may be times you might 
> record it there, which I had not thought of.

In both cases you record an empty split to the stock account. That doesn't 
change the account's balance and therefore won't unhide it from the Accounts 
page.

Note that hidden accounts still appear in the transfer account pick list; if 
you want to remove them from there make the account a placeholder. That also 
prevents you from adding splits, but you can easily turn placeholder off to 
record a late dividend and back on when done.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[Adrien Monteleone]

On 9/5/22 12:13 PM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:

No I didn't delete the account?
Why would I do silly thing like that and lose all that history?

The account is hidden because it's balance is 0.

Reappearing means exactly what it says.
I was no longer in the account tree, i.e. list, because after the sale 
it's balance became 0. No matter how I record that late dividend the 
balance becomes non 0 and the account reappears in the account tree or 
list.


I didn't think you deleted it, but wasn't sure what was going on.

I can set an account with a non-zero balance to 'hidden' and it stays 
that way, even with subsequent activity. I can set it to hidden with a 
zero balance, add another transaction to make it non-zero, and it stays 
hidden. I'm not sure why your account is showing up.


Did you by chance set a View filter on your Accounts tab that would 
affect this?


I don't under stand the last part.

A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset account 
('bank' or a brokerage cash account if direct deposit, 'undeposited 
funds' if by paper check) according to how you received the money, and 
an Income/Revenue account, say 'Dividends Received'. The FundXYZ 
account shouldn't be touched at all.


As it states, 'normally' a dividend transaction doesn't involve the 
fund/stock at all. It is a separate transaction between asset & income 
accounts. Though David just informed me that there may be times you 
might record it there, which I had not thought of.


Regards,
Adrien


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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[David Carlson]

There are a couple of scenarios where it is desirable to post dividends in
the security account even though it does not affect the security,  it does
affect your ROI.  One is for certain report s and the other is when the
user reports dividends by ex dividend dates instead of payment dates.

On Mon, Sep 5, 2022, 12:00 PM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> You deleted the account holding the fund after selling it?
>
> Otherwise, and unless you marked it 'hidden' it will always be there.
> Having activity in it doesn't change that. But you wouldn't have
> activity in it anyway from a dividend.
>
> What *exactly* do you mean by 'reappearing in my account list' and by
> 'screwing everything else up'?
>
> A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset account ('bank'
> or a brokerage cash account if direct deposit, 'undeposited funds' if by
> paper check) according to how you received the money, and an
> Income/Revenue account, say 'Dividends Received'. The FundXYZ account
> shouldn't be touched at all.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 9/5/22 11:41 AM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:
> > Last month I sold a mutual fund say XYZ.
> > Several weeks after the sale closed and the calendar date went into the
> > next quarter I received a dividend from XYZ.
> > How do I enter that dividend transaction for XYZ without having it
> > reappearing in my account list and screwing everything else up?
>
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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[Jack Frillman via gnucash-user]

No I didn't delete the account?
Why would I do silly thing like that and lose all that history?

The account is hidden because it's balance is 0.

Reappearing means exactly what it says.
I was no longer in the account tree, i.e. list, because after the sale 
it's balance became 0. No matter how I record that late dividend the 
balance becomes non 0 and the account reappears in the account tree or list.


I don't under stand the last part.

On 9/5/22 12:59 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

You deleted the account holding the fund after selling it?

Otherwise, and unless you marked it 'hidden' it will always be there. 
Having activity in it doesn't change that. But you wouldn't have 
activity in it anyway from a dividend.


What *exactly* do you mean by 'reappearing in my account list' and by 
'screwing everything else up'?


A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset account 
('bank' or a brokerage cash account if direct deposit, 'undeposited 
funds' if by paper check) according to how you received the money, and 
an Income/Revenue account, say 'Dividends Received'. The FundXYZ 
account shouldn't be touched at all.


Regards,
Adrien

On 9/5/22 11:41 AM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:

Last month I sold a mutual fund say XYZ.
Several weeks after the sale closed and the calendar date went into 
the next quarter I received a dividend from XYZ.
How do I enter that dividend transaction for XYZ without having it 
reappearing in my account list and screwing everything else up?



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Re: [GNC] Mutual Fund Dividend After Sale

[Adrien Monteleone]

You deleted the account holding the fund after selling it?

Otherwise, and unless you marked it 'hidden' it will always be there. 
Having activity in it doesn't change that. But you wouldn't have 
activity in it anyway from a dividend.


What *exactly* do you mean by 'reappearing in my account list' and by 
'screwing everything else up'?


A Dividend receipt would normally be between some asset account ('bank' 
or a brokerage cash account if direct deposit, 'undeposited funds' if by 
paper check) according to how you received the money, and an 
Income/Revenue account, say 'Dividends Received'. The FundXYZ account 
shouldn't be touched at all.


Regards,
Adrien

On 9/5/22 11:41 AM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:

Last month I sold a mutual fund say XYZ.
Several weeks after the sale closed and the calendar date went into the 
next quarter I received a dividend from XYZ.
How do I enter that dividend transaction for XYZ without having it 
reappearing in my account list and screwing everything else up?



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