Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[David Carlson]

That is true, the tabs that you named, any tabs for accounts that the user
has not assigned a color, and tabs in data files where the 'Use Color '
preference is not selected will have the default color.

One special exception is the 'Account with Child' type such as brokerage
accounts, for example, will use the selected color of the underlying parent
account.

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 3:15 AM Stan Brown 
wrote:

>
>
> On 2020-09-16 17:15, w...@theprescotts.com wrote:
> > But i just discovered that one can give accounts colors and specify
> > that the color be used on the tab. If one has some tabs that they
> > want to keep open all the time, colors make it easy to see and
> > separate them from ones that are just opened temporarily.
> Unless I'm missing something, that doesn't help with the Accounts tab
> itself, nor with General Ledger, nor with any reports.
>
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Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[Stan Brown]

On 2020-09-16 17:15, w...@theprescotts.com wrote:
> But i just discovered that one can give accounts colors and specify
> that the color be used on the tab. If one has some tabs that they
> want to keep open all the time, colors make it easy to see and
> separate them from ones that are just opened temporarily.
Unless I'm missing something, that doesn't help with the Accounts tab
itself, nor with General Ledger, nor with any reports.

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Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[w...@theprescotts.com]

So am I. I regretted mentioning it.

Will

On 2020 Sep 16, at 09-16 20:30:09, David Carlson  
wrote:

I wasn't the first to go off topic, but I'm willing to stop

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 8:01 PM w...@theprescotts.com 
 mailto:w...@theprescotts.com>> wrote:
If I respond to this post with "Reliable?", am I the one bringing irrelevance 
and controversy to the thread or was it David C.

Will

On 2020 Sep 16, at 09-16 19:34:43, David Carlson mailto:david.carlson@gmail.com>> wrote:

There is a story in a very reliable book about David being a giant killer.

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Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[David Carlson]

I wasn't the first to go off topic, but I'm willing to stop

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 8:01 PM w...@theprescotts.com 
wrote:

> If I respond to this post with "Reliable?", am I the one bringing
> irrelevance and controversy to the thread or was it David C.
>
> Will
>
> On 2020 Sep 16, at 09-16 19:34:43, David Carlson <
> david.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There is a story in a very reliable book about David being a giant killer.
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Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[w...@theprescotts.com]

If I respond to this post with "Reliable?", am I the one bringing irrelevance 
and controversy to the thread or was it David C.

Will

On 2020 Sep 16, at 09-16 19:34:43, David Carlson  
wrote:

There is a story in a very reliable book about David being a giant killer.

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Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[David Carlson]

There is a story in a very reliable book about David being a giant killer.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 7:23 PM David H  wrote:

> David = Problem child :-)
>
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 09:59, David Carlson 
> wrote:
>
>> David H.,
>>
>> You are one of many Davids that are subscribed to GnuCash maillists. I
>> have trouble remembering which of us wrote what.  I think it is David T
>> that likes the menu tabs on the left side.  We all have our unique
>> preferences!
>>
>> I do think that this particular  feature can be adapted to by retraining
>> the operator by about the same level of training as switching from one
>> desktop to another in Linux, so I, for one, am only flabbergasted by it
>> being sprung on us seemingly without warning.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:32 PM David H  wrote:
>>
>>> No No No :-)  My tabs are across the top, left to right, COA followed by
>>> 6
>>> account tabs - called them pinned if you want - that are the accounts I'm
>>> generally always working in. I would like all new tabs including search
>>> results, regular txn lists on opening gnucash, reports, what have you
>>> always opening on the right i.e. AFTER the last tab I have open.  I know
>>> that the ANZ Visa tab is always last so I can safely close all tabs to
>>> the
>>> right of it.  This all seems to have come about because someone liked to
>>> have 50 tabs open   Not a common use case I would have thought.
>>>
>>> I did actually load up the test versions, 3.90... and I may have
>>> mentioned
>>> this at the time, I can't remember but it's still a bit foreign to me to
>>> go
>>> looking for tabs that I want to close in amongst all the other ones I
>>> want
>>> to keep open permanently.
>>>
>>> Cheers David H.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 22:49, D. via gnucash-user <
>>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Thanks for pointing this bug out.
>>> >
>>> > It's too bad that the suggestion in the bug to discuss this change on
>>> the
>>> > lists was not apparently taken up. The devs would then have at least
>>> heard
>>> > from some other users about their use cases and preferences, and users
>>> > would have had a heads up about the change. Instead, a change gets
>>> pushed
>>> > out based on one person's request, mainly because it involves "three
>>> lines
>>> > of code." I'll set aside the wisdom of making changes to software based
>>> > primarily on the complexity of the fix, or on a single user and the
>>> > opinions of three devs...
>>> >
>>> > While it might seem overkill to discuss something as seemingly minor as
>>> > this change, I think *any* change in the user interface should be
>>> discussed
>>> > more, rather than less.
>>> >
>>> > Now, we get to have that discussion.
>>> >
>>> > At the risk of repeating myself, let me re-present. In my usage of
>>> > Gnucash, I keep a core set of tabs always open. These tabs represent my
>>> > primary active accounts: my checking account, savings account, credit
>>> card
>>> > account, and a cash account.
>>> >
>>> > I leave them open because they are involved in the vast majority of my
>>> > transactions, and it is easier to click on one of the tabs than to go
>>> to
>>> > the CoA, locate the account, and open it. I like to have them at the
>>> top of
>>> > the list at all times because I can quickly locate them there. I know
>>> where
>>> > they are.
>>> >
>>> > With the latest change, I no longer can rely on this. My core tabs move
>>> > down. If I open one of my more obscure accounts to look at things, it
>>> > pushes its way in at the top. If I've opened several of them, they are
>>> all
>>> > at the top, and when I am done with those tabs, I have to carefully
>>> close
>>> > tabs, rather than close all tabs below a certain point on the screen.
>>> >
>>> > None of this is particularly catastrophic, but it does affect me and my
>>> > workflow every time I open or close an account, so I would prefer to
>>> have
>>> > the option of restoring the old tab behavior.
>>> >
>>> > The idea of pinned tabs is interesting, although it doesn't remove the
>>> > 

Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[David H]

n account, so I would prefer to
> have
> >> the option of restoring the old tab behavior.
> >>
> >> The idea of pinned tabs is interesting, although it doesn't remove the
> >> need for the preference. If I jump to a new account tab from a pinned
> > one,
> >> will the new tab go at the end of the list, or bury itself in the middle
> > of
> >> my pinned tabs? I think the user would still want the option of where
> the
> >> new tabs open.
> >>
> >> I'll give a clear and unambiguous preference: I want to be able to
> choose
> >> this behavior with a preference setting. Put this setting on the same
> > page
> >> as the tab location setting, and have it read:
> >>
> >> Open new tabs: □ At the bottom of the tab list □ After the current tab
> >>
> >> David T.
> >>
> >>
> >>  Original Message 
> >> From: Geert Janssens 
> >> Sent: Wed Sep 16 03:35:35 EDT 2020
> >> To: "D." , gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> >> Cc: Gnucash Users , Stan Brown <
> >> the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm>, David Carlson  >
> >> Subject: Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1
> >>
> >> Op woensdag 16 september 2020 01:21:19 CEST schreef
> >> David Carlson:
> >>> It doesn't make sense to me either, and since it is a change
> >> from previous
> >>> behavior, I  think it deserves a bug report.
> >>
> >> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797787[1]
> >>
> >> 
> >> [1] https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797787
> >>
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Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[David H]

David = Problem child :-)

On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 09:59, David Carlson 
wrote:

> David H.,
>
> You are one of many Davids that are subscribed to GnuCash maillists. I
> have trouble remembering which of us wrote what.  I think it is David T
> that likes the menu tabs on the left side.  We all have our unique
> preferences!
>
> I do think that this particular  feature can be adapted to by retraining
> the operator by about the same level of training as switching from one
> desktop to another in Linux, so I, for one, am only flabbergasted by it
> being sprung on us seemingly without warning.
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:32 PM David H  wrote:
>
>> No No No :-)  My tabs are across the top, left to right, COA followed by 6
>> account tabs - called them pinned if you want - that are the accounts I'm
>> generally always working in. I would like all new tabs including search
>> results, regular txn lists on opening gnucash, reports, what have you
>> always opening on the right i.e. AFTER the last tab I have open.  I know
>> that the ANZ Visa tab is always last so I can safely close all tabs to the
>> right of it.  This all seems to have come about because someone liked to
>> have 50 tabs open   Not a common use case I would have thought.
>>
>> I did actually load up the test versions, 3.90... and I may have mentioned
>> this at the time, I can't remember but it's still a bit foreign to me to
>> go
>> looking for tabs that I want to close in amongst all the other ones I want
>> to keep open permanently.
>>
>> Cheers David H.
>>
>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 22:49, D. via gnucash-user <
>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks for pointing this bug out.
>> >
>> > It's too bad that the suggestion in the bug to discuss this change on
>> the
>> > lists was not apparently taken up. The devs would then have at least
>> heard
>> > from some other users about their use cases and preferences, and users
>> > would have had a heads up about the change. Instead, a change gets
>> pushed
>> > out based on one person's request, mainly because it involves "three
>> lines
>> > of code." I'll set aside the wisdom of making changes to software based
>> > primarily on the complexity of the fix, or on a single user and the
>> > opinions of three devs...
>> >
>> > While it might seem overkill to discuss something as seemingly minor as
>> > this change, I think *any* change in the user interface should be
>> discussed
>> > more, rather than less.
>> >
>> > Now, we get to have that discussion.
>> >
>> > At the risk of repeating myself, let me re-present. In my usage of
>> > Gnucash, I keep a core set of tabs always open. These tabs represent my
>> > primary active accounts: my checking account, savings account, credit
>> card
>> > account, and a cash account.
>> >
>> > I leave them open because they are involved in the vast majority of my
>> > transactions, and it is easier to click on one of the tabs than to go to
>> > the CoA, locate the account, and open it. I like to have them at the
>> top of
>> > the list at all times because I can quickly locate them there. I know
>> where
>> > they are.
>> >
>> > With the latest change, I no longer can rely on this. My core tabs move
>> > down. If I open one of my more obscure accounts to look at things, it
>> > pushes its way in at the top. If I've opened several of them, they are
>> all
>> > at the top, and when I am done with those tabs, I have to carefully
>> close
>> > tabs, rather than close all tabs below a certain point on the screen.
>> >
>> > None of this is particularly catastrophic, but it does affect me and my
>> > workflow every time I open or close an account, so I would prefer to
>> have
>> > the option of restoring the old tab behavior.
>> >
>> > The idea of pinned tabs is interesting, although it doesn't remove the
>> > need for the preference. If I jump to a new account tab from a pinned
>> one,
>> > will the new tab go at the end of the list, or bury itself in the
>> middle of
>> > my pinned tabs? I think the user would still want the option of where
>> the
>> > new tabs open.
>> >
>> > I'll give a clear and unambiguous preference: I want to be able to
>> choose
>> > this behavior with a preference setting. Put this setting on the same
>> page
>> > as the tab location s

Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[w...@theprescotts.com]

I don't have a preference for where new tabs open, I can see advantages to 
either location, and can adjust easily to either location.

But i just discovered that one can give accounts colors and specify that the 
color be used on the tab. If one has some tabs that they want to keep open all 
the time, colors make it easy to see and separate them from ones that are just 
opened temporarily.

Will

On 2020 Sep 16, at 09-16 18:59:18, David Carlson  
wrote:

David H.,

You are one of many Davids that are subscribed to GnuCash maillists. I have
trouble remembering which of us wrote what.  I think it is David T that
likes the menu tabs on the left side.  We all have our unique preferences!

I do think that this particular  feature can be adapted to by retraining
the operator by about the same level of training as switching from one
desktop to another in Linux, so I, for one, am only flabbergasted by it
being sprung on us seemingly without warning.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:32 PM David H  wrote:

> No No No :-)  My tabs are across the top, left to right, COA followed by 6
> account tabs - called them pinned if you want - that are the accounts I'm
> generally always working in. I would like all new tabs including search
> results, regular txn lists on opening gnucash, reports, what have you
> always opening on the right i.e. AFTER the last tab I have open.  I know
> that the ANZ Visa tab is always last so I can safely close all tabs to the
> right of it.  This all seems to have come about because someone liked to
> have 50 tabs open   Not a common use case I would have thought.
> 
> I did actually load up the test versions, 3.90... and I may have mentioned
> this at the time, I can't remember but it's still a bit foreign to me to go
> looking for tabs that I want to close in amongst all the other ones I want
> to keep open permanently.
> 
> Cheers David H.
> 
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 22:49, D. via gnucash-user <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for pointing this bug out.
>> 
>> It's too bad that the suggestion in the bug to discuss this change on the
>> lists was not apparently taken up. The devs would then have at least
> heard
>> from some other users about their use cases and preferences, and users
>> would have had a heads up about the change. Instead, a change gets pushed
>> out based on one person's request, mainly because it involves "three
> lines
>> of code." I'll set aside the wisdom of making changes to software based
>> primarily on the complexity of the fix, or on a single user and the
>> opinions of three devs...
>> 
>> While it might seem overkill to discuss something as seemingly minor as
>> this change, I think *any* change in the user interface should be
> discussed
>> more, rather than less.
>> 
>> Now, we get to have that discussion.
>> 
>> At the risk of repeating myself, let me re-present. In my usage of
>> Gnucash, I keep a core set of tabs always open. These tabs represent my
>> primary active accounts: my checking account, savings account, credit
> card
>> account, and a cash account.
>> 
>> I leave them open because they are involved in the vast majority of my
>> transactions, and it is easier to click on one of the tabs than to go to
>> the CoA, locate the account, and open it. I like to have them at the top
> of
>> the list at all times because I can quickly locate them there. I know
> where
>> they are.
>> 
>> With the latest change, I no longer can rely on this. My core tabs move
>> down. If I open one of my more obscure accounts to look at things, it
>> pushes its way in at the top. If I've opened several of them, they are
> all
>> at the top, and when I am done with those tabs, I have to carefully close
>> tabs, rather than close all tabs below a certain point on the screen.
>> 
>> None of this is particularly catastrophic, but it does affect me and my
>> workflow every time I open or close an account, so I would prefer to have
>> the option of restoring the old tab behavior.
>> 
>> The idea of pinned tabs is interesting, although it doesn't remove the
>> need for the preference. If I jump to a new account tab from a pinned
> one,
>> will the new tab go at the end of the list, or bury itself in the middle
> of
>> my pinned tabs? I think the user would still want the option of where the
>> new tabs open.
>> 
>> I'll give a clear and unambiguous preference: I want to be able to choose
>> this behavior with a preference setting. Put this setting on the same
> page
>> as the tab location setting, and have it read:
>> 
>> Open new tabs: □ At the bottom of the ta

Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[David Carlson]

David H.,

You are one of many Davids that are subscribed to GnuCash maillists. I have
trouble remembering which of us wrote what.  I think it is David T that
likes the menu tabs on the left side.  We all have our unique preferences!

I do think that this particular  feature can be adapted to by retraining
the operator by about the same level of training as switching from one
desktop to another in Linux, so I, for one, am only flabbergasted by it
being sprung on us seemingly without warning.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:32 PM David H  wrote:

> No No No :-)  My tabs are across the top, left to right, COA followed by 6
> account tabs - called them pinned if you want - that are the accounts I'm
> generally always working in. I would like all new tabs including search
> results, regular txn lists on opening gnucash, reports, what have you
> always opening on the right i.e. AFTER the last tab I have open.  I know
> that the ANZ Visa tab is always last so I can safely close all tabs to the
> right of it.  This all seems to have come about because someone liked to
> have 50 tabs open   Not a common use case I would have thought.
>
> I did actually load up the test versions, 3.90... and I may have mentioned
> this at the time, I can't remember but it's still a bit foreign to me to go
> looking for tabs that I want to close in amongst all the other ones I want
> to keep open permanently.
>
> Cheers David H.
>
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 22:49, D. via gnucash-user <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for pointing this bug out.
> >
> > It's too bad that the suggestion in the bug to discuss this change on the
> > lists was not apparently taken up. The devs would then have at least
> heard
> > from some other users about their use cases and preferences, and users
> > would have had a heads up about the change. Instead, a change gets pushed
> > out based on one person's request, mainly because it involves "three
> lines
> > of code." I'll set aside the wisdom of making changes to software based
> > primarily on the complexity of the fix, or on a single user and the
> > opinions of three devs...
> >
> > While it might seem overkill to discuss something as seemingly minor as
> > this change, I think *any* change in the user interface should be
> discussed
> > more, rather than less.
> >
> > Now, we get to have that discussion.
> >
> > At the risk of repeating myself, let me re-present. In my usage of
> > Gnucash, I keep a core set of tabs always open. These tabs represent my
> > primary active accounts: my checking account, savings account, credit
> card
> > account, and a cash account.
> >
> > I leave them open because they are involved in the vast majority of my
> > transactions, and it is easier to click on one of the tabs than to go to
> > the CoA, locate the account, and open it. I like to have them at the top
> of
> > the list at all times because I can quickly locate them there. I know
> where
> > they are.
> >
> > With the latest change, I no longer can rely on this. My core tabs move
> > down. If I open one of my more obscure accounts to look at things, it
> > pushes its way in at the top. If I've opened several of them, they are
> all
> > at the top, and when I am done with those tabs, I have to carefully close
> > tabs, rather than close all tabs below a certain point on the screen.
> >
> > None of this is particularly catastrophic, but it does affect me and my
> > workflow every time I open or close an account, so I would prefer to have
> > the option of restoring the old tab behavior.
> >
> > The idea of pinned tabs is interesting, although it doesn't remove the
> > need for the preference. If I jump to a new account tab from a pinned
> one,
> > will the new tab go at the end of the list, or bury itself in the middle
> of
> > my pinned tabs? I think the user would still want the option of where the
> > new tabs open.
> >
> > I'll give a clear and unambiguous preference: I want to be able to choose
> > this behavior with a preference setting. Put this setting on the same
> page
> > as the tab location setting, and have it read:
> >
> > Open new tabs: □ At the bottom of the tab list □ After the current tab
> >
> > David T.
> >
> >
> >  Original Message 
> > From: Geert Janssens 
> > Sent: Wed Sep 16 03:35:35 EDT 2020
> > To: "D." , gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> > Cc: Gnucash Users , Stan Brown <
> > the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm>, David Carlson 
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1
> >
&

Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[David H]

No No No :-)  My tabs are across the top, left to right, COA followed by 6
account tabs - called them pinned if you want - that are the accounts I'm
generally always working in. I would like all new tabs including search
results, regular txn lists on opening gnucash, reports, what have you
always opening on the right i.e. AFTER the last tab I have open.  I know
that the ANZ Visa tab is always last so I can safely close all tabs to the
right of it.  This all seems to have come about because someone liked to
have 50 tabs open   Not a common use case I would have thought.

I did actually load up the test versions, 3.90... and I may have mentioned
this at the time, I can't remember but it's still a bit foreign to me to go
looking for tabs that I want to close in amongst all the other ones I want
to keep open permanently.

Cheers David H.

On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 22:49, D. via gnucash-user 
wrote:

> Thanks for pointing this bug out.
>
> It's too bad that the suggestion in the bug to discuss this change on the
> lists was not apparently taken up. The devs would then have at least heard
> from some other users about their use cases and preferences, and users
> would have had a heads up about the change. Instead, a change gets pushed
> out based on one person's request, mainly because it involves "three lines
> of code." I'll set aside the wisdom of making changes to software based
> primarily on the complexity of the fix, or on a single user and the
> opinions of three devs...
>
> While it might seem overkill to discuss something as seemingly minor as
> this change, I think *any* change in the user interface should be discussed
> more, rather than less.
>
> Now, we get to have that discussion.
>
> At the risk of repeating myself, let me re-present. In my usage of
> Gnucash, I keep a core set of tabs always open. These tabs represent my
> primary active accounts: my checking account, savings account, credit card
> account, and a cash account.
>
> I leave them open because they are involved in the vast majority of my
> transactions, and it is easier to click on one of the tabs than to go to
> the CoA, locate the account, and open it. I like to have them at the top of
> the list at all times because I can quickly locate them there. I know where
> they are.
>
> With the latest change, I no longer can rely on this. My core tabs move
> down. If I open one of my more obscure accounts to look at things, it
> pushes its way in at the top. If I've opened several of them, they are all
> at the top, and when I am done with those tabs, I have to carefully close
> tabs, rather than close all tabs below a certain point on the screen.
>
> None of this is particularly catastrophic, but it does affect me and my
> workflow every time I open or close an account, so I would prefer to have
> the option of restoring the old tab behavior.
>
> The idea of pinned tabs is interesting, although it doesn't remove the
> need for the preference. If I jump to a new account tab from a pinned one,
> will the new tab go at the end of the list, or bury itself in the middle of
> my pinned tabs? I think the user would still want the option of where the
> new tabs open.
>
> I'll give a clear and unambiguous preference: I want to be able to choose
> this behavior with a preference setting. Put this setting on the same page
> as the tab location setting, and have it read:
>
> Open new tabs: □ At the bottom of the tab list □ After the current tab
>
> David T.
>
>
>  Original Message 
> From: Geert Janssens 
> Sent: Wed Sep 16 03:35:35 EDT 2020
> To: "D." , gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Cc: Gnucash Users , Stan Brown <
> the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm>, David Carlson 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1
>
> Op woensdag 16 september 2020 01:21:19 CEST schreef
> David Carlson:
> > It doesn't make sense to me either, and since it is a change
> from previous
> > behavior, I  think it deserves a bug report.
>
> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797787[1]
>
> 
> [1] https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797787
>
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Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[D. via gnucash-user]

Geert,

I stopped contributing in any way to the project at the beginning of 2019, in 
large part because of problems with the workflow, culture, and environment that 
GnuCash operates within. So, I can definitely relate to your feeling like you 
want to step back. 

Given that my observations regarding GnuCash features, use, and behavior are of 
no interest or importance to the developers, I'll just stop making attempts to 
share those observations, and instead be grateful to have the use of Gnucash 
(warts and all).

David T. 


 Original Message 
From: Geert Janssens 
Sent: Wed Sep 16 15:26:22 EDT 2020
To: "D." 
Cc: Gnucash Users , Stan Brown 
, David Carlson 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

Op woensdag 16 september 2020 14:46:58 CEST schreef D.:
> Thanks for pointing this bug out.
> 
> It's too bad that the suggestion in the bug to discuss this change on the
> lists was not apparently taken up. The devs would then have at least heard
> from some other users about their use cases and preferences, and users
> would have had a heads up about the change. Instead, a change gets pushed
> out based on one person's request, mainly because it involves "three lines
> of code." I'll set aside the wisdom of making changes to software based
> primarily on the complexity of the fix, or on a single user and the
> opinions of three devs...
> 
> While it might seem overkill to discuss something as seemingly minor as this
> change, I think *any* change in the user interface should be discussed
> more, rather than less.

David,

Yes, more discussion up front is useful. However if you want more discussion to 
happen (or more 
precisely if *you* want to be get involved more in such discussions) I suggest 
you actively 
choose to become more involved proactively rather than waiting until a finished 
release is 
presented to you. That doesn't mean you have to write or review code, but you 
can subscribe to 
the channels where the devs generally communicate to get an early idea of what 
lives there.

Some topics will be brought to the users, others not so much. And by the way, I 
don't think 
gnucash-user is the proper channel for this kind of discussion. I believe it 
should be held on 
gnucash-devel.

> 
> Now, we get to have that discussion.
> 
> At the risk of repeating myself, let me re-present. In my usage of Gnucash,
> I keep a core set of tabs always open. These tabs represent my primary
> active accounts: my checking account, savings account, credit card account,
> and a cash account.
> 
> I leave them open because they are involved in the vast majority of my
> transactions, and it is easier to click on one of the tabs than to go to
> the CoA, locate the account, and open it. I like to have them at the top of
> the list at all times because I can quickly locate them there. I know where
> they are.
> 
> With the latest change, I no longer can rely on this. My core tabs move
> down. If I open one of my more obscure accounts to look at things, it
> pushes its way in at the top. If I've opened several of them, they are all
> at the top, and when I am done with those tabs, I have to carefully close
> tabs, rather than close all tabs below a certain point on the screen.
> 
While I see what you mean with closing, I perceive this as a minor behavioural 
change. As all the 
new tabs will be on top, it should not be too hard to close them one by one by 
starting with the 
first one. You don't have to move your mouse for that. I can imagine you have 
to be a little bit 
more careful to stop clicking in time to avoid closing your first "always-open" 
tab. However if 
you have many always-open tabs that problem also exists when new tabs open at 
the end.

> None of this is particularly catastrophic, but it does affect me and my
> workflow every time I open or close an account, so I would prefer to have
> the option of restoring the old tab behavior.
> 
See my other replies here and on the bug. I don't think an option is a good 
solution.

> The idea of pinned tabs is interesting, although it doesn't remove the need
> for the preference. If I jump to a new account tab from a pinned one, will
> the new tab go at the end of the list, or bury itself in the middle of my
> pinned tabs? I think the user would still want the option of where the new
> tabs open.

That problem is not solved by adding an option.

> 
> I'll give a clear and unambiguous preference: I want to be able to choose
> this behavior with a preference setting. Put this setting on the same page
> as the tab location setting, and have it read:
> 
> Open new tabs: □ At the bottom of the tab list □ After the current tab
> 

Understood. My clear and unambiguous design standpoint is that an option is not 
the solution. 
It's a band-aid at best. I don't have a

Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[David Carlson]

Geert,

Sorry, it was not my intention to single you out with my comments about how
the system appears to leave users out of the development loop.  I know you
and all the other active developers have limited time and can use whatever
help users can give short of re-training in the tools that you are using.

I was not aware that there was a nightly build for Linux.  That could be
useful when I get enough of my personal prerequisites out of the way to try
the current 4.x builds.

I hope you are able to stay healthy and safe in these difficult times.


On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 4:00 PM Geert Janssens 
wrote:

> Op woensdag 16 september 2020 21:46:14 CEST schreef David Carlson:
>
> > Geert,
>
> >
>
> > I believe some users have backed off of trying to express informed
> opinions
>
> > about program development or documentation development because of various
>
> > roadblocks that have been thrown up. Sometimes we are ignored, sometimes
>
> > asked to learn obscure new skills, and occasionally chastised for waiting
>
> > until after the fact to 'complain', to name a few.
>
> >
>
> We're all contributing what we can in the limited time we have available.
> If you feel being ignored, my apologies. Though that's probably because the
> devs ran out of time/energy not because your opinion didn't matter.
>
>
>
> As for the obscure new skills, that depends on what we are talking about.
> I think most users should be capable of installing a nightly build of
> gnucash to test the current state of the program. That option is available
> on Windows and linux.
>
>
>
> > There is a gap that we are having a hard time trying to deal with. I
> don't
>
> > know if there would be a way to 'warn' users about pending changes before
>
> > they are released. Some programs put changes into an official beta
> release
>
> > available to the general public some time before moving to the stable
>
> > release. Just an idea.
>
> >
>
> We do pre-releases for each major release. For GnuCash 4.x there were
> 3.902 to 3.906. Those were the "official beta" releases as far as I can
> tell. We did catch and revert another behavioural change thanks to user
> testing during that cycle (that reverted change involved the way column
> preferences for registers were stored) so it does matter if you test.
>
>
>
>
>
> But perhaps I'll just have to back off myself. I believe I'm getting
> burned out on gnucash support. Sorry.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Geert
>


-- 
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Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[Geert Janssens]

Op woensdag 16 september 2020 21:46:14 CEST schreef David Carlson:
> Geert,
> 
> I believe some users have backed off of trying to express informed opinions
> about program development or documentation development because of various
> roadblocks that have been thrown up.  Sometimes we are ignored, sometimes
> asked to learn obscure new skills, and occasionally chastised for waiting
> until after the fact to 'complain', to name a few.
> 
We're all contributing what we can in the limited time we have available. If 
you feel being 
ignored, my apologies. Though that's probably because the devs ran out of 
time/energy not 
because your opinion didn't matter.

As for the obscure new skills, that depends on what we are talking about. I 
think most users 
should be capable of installing a nightly build of gnucash to test the current 
state of the 
program. That option is available on Windows and linux.

> There is a gap that we are having a hard time trying to deal with.  I don't
> know if there would be a way to 'warn' users about pending changes before
> they are released.  Some programs put changes into an official beta release
> available to the general public some time before moving to the stable
> release. Just an idea.
> 
We do pre-releases for each major release. For GnuCash 4.x there were 3.902 to 
3.906. Those 
were the "official beta" releases as far as I can tell. We did catch and revert 
another behavioural 
change thanks to user testing during that cycle (that reverted change involved 
the way column 
preferences for registers were stored) so it does matter if you test.


But perhaps I'll just have to back off myself. I believe I'm getting burned out 
on gnucash 
support. Sorry.

Regards,

Geert
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Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[David Carlson]

Geert,

I believe some users have backed off of trying to express informed opinions
about program development or documentation development because of various
roadblocks that have been thrown up.  Sometimes we are ignored, sometimes
asked to learn obscure new skills, and occasionally chastised for waiting
until after the fact to 'complain', to name a few.

There is a gap that we are having a hard time trying to deal with.  I don't
know if there would be a way to 'warn' users about pending changes before
they are released.  Some programs put changes into an official beta release
available to the general public some time before moving to the stable
release. Just an idea.


On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 2:26 PM Geert Janssens 
wrote:

> Op woensdag 16 september 2020 14:46:58 CEST schreef D.:
>
> > Thanks for pointing this bug out.
>
> >
>
> > It's too bad that the suggestion in the bug to discuss this change on the
>
> > lists was not apparently taken up. The devs would then have at least
> heard
>
> > from some other users about their use cases and preferences, and users
>
> > would have had a heads up about the change. Instead, a change gets pushed
>
> > out based on one person's request, mainly because it involves "three
> lines
>
> > of code." I'll set aside the wisdom of making changes to software based
>
> > primarily on the complexity of the fix, or on a single user and the
>
> > opinions of three devs...
>
> >
>
> > While it might seem overkill to discuss something as seemingly minor as
> this
>
> > change, I think *any* change in the user interface should be discussed
>
> > more, rather than less.
>
>
>
> David,
>
>
>
> Yes, more discussion up front is useful. However if you want more
> discussion to happen (or more precisely if *you* want to be get involved
> more in such discussions) I suggest you actively choose to become more
> involved proactively rather than waiting until a finished release is
> presented to you. That doesn't mean you have to write or review code, but
> you can subscribe to the channels where the devs generally communicate to
> get an early idea of what lives there.
>
>
>
> Some topics will be brought to the users, others not so much. And by the
> way, I don't think gnucash-user is the proper channel for this kind of
> discussion. I believe it should be held on gnucash-devel.
>
>
>
> >
>
> > Now, we get to have that discussion.
>
> >
>
> > At the risk of repeating myself, let me re-present. In my usage of
> Gnucash,
>
> > I keep a core set of tabs always open. These tabs represent my primary
>
> > active accounts: my checking account, savings account, credit card
> account,
>
> > and a cash account.
>
> >
>
> > I leave them open because they are involved in the vast majority of my
>
> > transactions, and it is easier to click on one of the tabs than to go to
>
> > the CoA, locate the account, and open it. I like to have them at the top
> of
>
> > the list at all times because I can quickly locate them there. I know
> where
>
> > they are.
>
> >
>
> > With the latest change, I no longer can rely on this. My core tabs move
>
> > down. If I open one of my more obscure accounts to look at things, it
>
> > pushes its way in at the top. If I've opened several of them, they are
> all
>
> > at the top, and when I am done with those tabs, I have to carefully close
>
> > tabs, rather than close all tabs below a certain point on the screen.
>
> >
>
> While I see what you mean with closing, I perceive this as a minor
> behavioural change. As all the new tabs will be on top, it should not be
> too hard to close them one by one by starting with the first one. You don't
> have to move your mouse for that. I can imagine you have to be a little bit
> more careful to stop clicking in time to avoid closing your first
> "always-open" tab. However if you have many always-open tabs that problem
> also exists when new tabs open at the end.
>
>
>
> > None of this is particularly catastrophic, but it does affect me and my
>
> > workflow every time I open or close an account, so I would prefer to have
>
> > the option of restoring the old tab behavior.
>
> >
>
> See my other replies here and on the bug. I don't think an option is a
> good solution.
>
>
>
> > The idea of pinned tabs is interesting, although it doesn't remove the
> need
>
> > for the preference. If I jump to a new account tab from a pinned one,
> will
>
> > the new tab go at the end of the list, or bury itself in the middle of my
>
> > pinned tabs? I think the user would still want the option of where the
> new
>
> > tabs open.
>
>
>
> That problem is not solved by adding an option.
>
>
>
> >
>
> > I'll give a clear and unambiguous preference: I want to be able to choose
>
> > this behavior with a preference setting. Put this setting on the same
> page
>
> > as the tab location setting, and have it read:
>
> >
>
> > Open new tabs: □ At the bottom of the tab list □ After the current tab
>
> >
>
>
>
> Understood. My clear and unambiguous design 

Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[Geert Janssens]

Op woensdag 16 september 2020 14:46:58 CEST schreef D.:
> Thanks for pointing this bug out.
> 
> It's too bad that the suggestion in the bug to discuss this change on the
> lists was not apparently taken up. The devs would then have at least heard
> from some other users about their use cases and preferences, and users
> would have had a heads up about the change. Instead, a change gets pushed
> out based on one person's request, mainly because it involves "three lines
> of code." I'll set aside the wisdom of making changes to software based
> primarily on the complexity of the fix, or on a single user and the
> opinions of three devs...
> 
> While it might seem overkill to discuss something as seemingly minor as this
> change, I think *any* change in the user interface should be discussed
> more, rather than less.

David,

Yes, more discussion up front is useful. However if you want more discussion to 
happen (or more 
precisely if *you* want to be get involved more in such discussions) I suggest 
you actively 
choose to become more involved proactively rather than waiting until a finished 
release is 
presented to you. That doesn't mean you have to write or review code, but you 
can subscribe to 
the channels where the devs generally communicate to get an early idea of what 
lives there.

Some topics will be brought to the users, others not so much. And by the way, I 
don't think 
gnucash-user is the proper channel for this kind of discussion. I believe it 
should be held on 
gnucash-devel.

> 
> Now, we get to have that discussion.
> 
> At the risk of repeating myself, let me re-present. In my usage of Gnucash,
> I keep a core set of tabs always open. These tabs represent my primary
> active accounts: my checking account, savings account, credit card account,
> and a cash account.
> 
> I leave them open because they are involved in the vast majority of my
> transactions, and it is easier to click on one of the tabs than to go to
> the CoA, locate the account, and open it. I like to have them at the top of
> the list at all times because I can quickly locate them there. I know where
> they are.
> 
> With the latest change, I no longer can rely on this. My core tabs move
> down. If I open one of my more obscure accounts to look at things, it
> pushes its way in at the top. If I've opened several of them, they are all
> at the top, and when I am done with those tabs, I have to carefully close
> tabs, rather than close all tabs below a certain point on the screen.
> 
While I see what you mean with closing, I perceive this as a minor behavioural 
change. As all the 
new tabs will be on top, it should not be too hard to close them one by one by 
starting with the 
first one. You don't have to move your mouse for that. I can imagine you have 
to be a little bit 
more careful to stop clicking in time to avoid closing your first "always-open" 
tab. However if 
you have many always-open tabs that problem also exists when new tabs open at 
the end.

> None of this is particularly catastrophic, but it does affect me and my
> workflow every time I open or close an account, so I would prefer to have
> the option of restoring the old tab behavior.
> 
See my other replies here and on the bug. I don't think an option is a good 
solution.

> The idea of pinned tabs is interesting, although it doesn't remove the need
> for the preference. If I jump to a new account tab from a pinned one, will
> the new tab go at the end of the list, or bury itself in the middle of my
> pinned tabs? I think the user would still want the option of where the new
> tabs open.

That problem is not solved by adding an option.

> 
> I'll give a clear and unambiguous preference: I want to be able to choose
> this behavior with a preference setting. Put this setting on the same page
> as the tab location setting, and have it read:
> 
> Open new tabs: □ At the bottom of the tab list □ After the current tab
> 

Understood. My clear and unambiguous design standpoint is that an option is not 
the solution. 
It's a band-aid at best. I don't have a ready-made answer but I know this isn't 
it.

Geert
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Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[Geert Janssens]

Op woensdag 16 september 2020 10:07:09 CEST schreef Kim:
> I prefer the way GnuCash tabs work now.  However, I have read the recent bug
> report and endorse the view that a preference option that provides choice
> between current & earlier tab behaviour is the best way to resolve this.

No. An extra option to choose between old and new behaviour is *never* the best 
way to solve 
something. It may be from the naive point of view of a user. But it leads to 
unmaintainable code.

If we would have added such an option for each time a user didn't like a user 
interface change 
we would by now have a preference dialog of 30 tabs.

Each time an option to choose between old and new behaviour is requested, what 
really should 
happen is analyse the perceived benefits of old and new behaviour, look which 
ones can be 
combined in an improved design and make compromises based on relative 
importance of the 
various benefits.

That's what has started on the bug report.

Regards,

Geert
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Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[Richard Ullger]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2020, 13:48 D. via gnucash-user, 
wrote:

> Thanks for pointing this bug out.
>
> It's too bad that the suggestion in the bug to discuss this change on the
> lists was not apparently taken up. The devs would then have at least heard
> from some other users about their use cases and preferences, and users
> would have had a heads up about the change. Instead, a change gets pushed
> out based on one person's request, mainly because it involves "three lines
> of code." I'll set aside the wisdom of making changes to software based
> primarily on the complexity of the fix, or on a single user and the
> opinions of three devs...
>
> While it might seem overkill to discuss something as seemingly minor as
> this change, I think *any* change in the user interface should be discussed
> more, rather than less.
>
> Now, we get to have that discussion.
>
> At the risk of repeating myself, let me re-present. In my usage of
> Gnucash, I keep a core set of tabs always open. These tabs represent my
> primary active accounts: my checking account, savings account, credit card
> account, and a cash account.
>
> I leave them open because they are involved in the vast majority of my
> transactions, and it is easier to click on one of the tabs than to go to
> the CoA, locate the account, and open it. I like to have them at the top of
> the list at all times because I can quickly locate them there. I know where
> they are.
>
> With the latest change, I no longer can rely on this. My core tabs move
> down. If I open one of my more obscure accounts to look at things, it
> pushes its way in at the top. If I've opened several of them, they are all
> at the top, and when I am done with those tabs, I have to carefully close
> tabs, rather than close all tabs below a certain point on the screen.
>
> None of this is particularly catastrophic, but it does affect me and my
> workflow every time I open or close an account, so I would prefer to have
> the option of restoring the old tab behavior.
>
> The idea of pinned tabs is interesting, although it doesn't remove the
> need for the preference. If I jump to a new account tab from a pinned one,
> will the new tab go at the end of the list, or bury itself in the middle of
> my pinned tabs? I think the user would still want the option of where the
> new tabs open.
>
> I'll give a clear and unambiguous preference: I want to be able to choose
> this behavior with a preference setting. Put this setting on the same page
> as the tab location setting, and have it read:
>
> Open new tabs: □ At the bottom of the tab list □ After the current tab
>
> David T.
>


Exactly my sentiments

Richard

>
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Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[D. via gnucash-user]

Thanks for pointing this bug out. 

It's too bad that the suggestion in the bug to discuss this change on the lists 
was not apparently taken up. The devs would then have at least heard from some 
other users about their use cases and preferences, and users would have had a 
heads up about the change. Instead, a change gets pushed out based on one 
person's request, mainly because it involves "three lines of code." I'll set 
aside the wisdom of making changes to software based primarily on the 
complexity of the fix, or on a single user and the opinions of three devs... 

While it might seem overkill to discuss something as seemingly minor as this 
change, I think *any* change in the user interface should be discussed more, 
rather than less. 

Now, we get to have that discussion.

At the risk of repeating myself, let me re-present. In my usage of Gnucash, I 
keep a core set of tabs always open. These tabs represent my primary active 
accounts: my checking account, savings account, credit card account, and a cash 
account. 

I leave them open because they are involved in the vast majority of my 
transactions, and it is easier to click on one of the tabs than to go to the 
CoA, locate the account, and open it. I like to have them at the top of the 
list at all times because I can quickly locate them there. I know where they 
are. 

With the latest change, I no longer can rely on this. My core tabs move down. 
If I open one of my more obscure accounts to look at things, it pushes its way 
in at the top. If I've opened several of them, they are all at the top, and 
when I am done with those tabs, I have to carefully close tabs, rather than 
close all tabs below a certain point on the screen. 

None of this is particularly catastrophic, but it does affect me and my 
workflow every time I open or close an account, so I would prefer to have the 
option of restoring the old tab behavior. 

The idea of pinned tabs is interesting, although it doesn't remove the need for 
the preference. If I jump to a new account tab from a pinned one, will the new 
tab go at the end of the list, or bury itself in the middle of my pinned tabs? 
I think the user would still want the option of where the new tabs open. 

I'll give a clear and unambiguous preference: I want to be able to choose this 
behavior with a preference setting. Put this setting on the same page as the 
tab location setting, and have it read:

Open new tabs: □ At the bottom of the tab list □ After the current tab

David T. 


 Original Message 
From: Geert Janssens 
Sent: Wed Sep 16 03:35:35 EDT 2020
To: "D." , gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Cc: Gnucash Users , Stan Brown 
, David Carlson 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

Op woensdag 16 september 2020 01:21:19 CEST schreef 
David Carlson:
> It doesn't make sense to me either, and since it is a change 
from previous
> behavior, I  think it deserves a bug report.

https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797787[1] 


[1] https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797787

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Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[Kim]

I prefer the way GnuCash tabs work now.  However, I have read the recent bug
report and endorse the view that a preference option that provides choice
between current & earlier tab behaviour is the best way to resolve this. 



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Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[Geert Janssens]

Op woensdag 16 september 2020 01:21:19 CEST schreef 
David Carlson:
> It doesn't make sense to me either, and since it is a change 
from previous
> behavior, I  think it deserves a bug report.

https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797787[1] 


[1] https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797787
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Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[David Carlson]

It doesn't make sense to me either, and since it is a change from previous
behavior, I  think it deserves a bug report. I too leave many tabs open
because I like them to appear in a certain order without having to re-open
them each time I open the program.

The tab width issue should also be the same as before too, in my opinion,

I suppose some users might find alternative behavior more to their liking,
but if so, I would suggest filing an enhancement bug report.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 5:52 PM D.  wrote:

> Not sure about how tabs opened in previous versions when set in the top
> position; I've been using the left side for well over a decade. Currently,
> they open on the top in a similar manner as I described, with the new tab
> interpolating itself into the sequence.
>
> Tabs and windows can be moved, and are saved in their sequence, but new
> tabs open after the accounts window, no matter where it is placed. Opening
> a new tab in position 4 out of 7, just because the accounts tab is number 3
> makes sense in some world, just not mine.
>
> David T.
>
>
>  Original Message 
> From: David Carlson 
> Sent: Tue Sep 15 18:24:53 EDT 2020
> To: "D." 
> Cc: Stan Brown , Gnucash Users <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1
>
> I need to ask if this change in sorting order also applies to the default
> tabs at the top configuration.
>
> Also, is it still possible to manually move tabs around with the mouse or
> judicious use of arrow keys to put them in your preferred order.  The
> corollary, of course, is does that order stick if you close and reopen the
> same file. later.
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 5:00 PM D. via gnucash-user <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
>
> > On putting the Chart of Accounts at the end: presumably that would work,
> > but it really messes with the Order of Things in my head.  ;)
> >
> > As for the size changes, well, I have been using gnucash a while...
> >
> >
> > ---- Original Message ----
> > From: Stan Brown 
> > Sent: Tue Sep 15 15:55:35 EDT 2020
> > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> > Cc: D 
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1
> >
> >
> > On 2020-09-15 12:39, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
> > >The first issue I've noticed is that new tabs now open directly under
> > > the Chart of Accounts tab on the screen. In the past, they opened at
> > > the very end of the list. ... I much prefer [the old] approach, since
> > > I usually have a default set of accounts always opened, and the tabs
> > > below are for more situational information.
> >
> > 2.6.19 does indeed put the new tab at the end. Like you, I have a small
> > set of tabs that I always keep open, and open additional accounts only
> > for some brief use.
> >
> > Can you work around the problem by making the Chart of Accounts last in
> > your normal group?
> >
> > > The second issue I have is that tabs shrink and expand to show the full
> > > account name up to a certain point. In older versions, I believe that
> > > the tab width was fixed,
> >
> > I just tried it in 2.6.19, and when I opened a account with along name
> > the column of tabs expanded to fit the long name. (Like you, I have the
> > account tabs at the left, not at the top.)
> >
> > That's not to say that it necessarily _should_ be that way, but it
> > doesn't seem to be a recent change.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Stan Brown
> > Tehachapi, CA, USA
> > https://BrownMath.com
> > https://OakRoadSystems.com
> >
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Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[D. via gnucash-user]

Not sure about how tabs opened in previous versions when set in the top 
position; I've been using the left side for well over a decade. Currently, they 
open on the top in a similar manner as I described, with the new tab 
interpolating itself into the sequence. 

Tabs and windows can be moved, and are saved in their sequence, but new tabs 
open after the accounts window, no matter where it is placed. Opening a new tab 
in position 4 out of 7, just because the accounts tab is number 3 makes sense 
in some world, just not mine. 

David T. 


 Original Message 
From: David Carlson 
Sent: Tue Sep 15 18:24:53 EDT 2020
To: "D." 
Cc: Stan Brown , Gnucash Users 

Subject: Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

I need to ask if this change in sorting order also applies to the default
tabs at the top configuration.

Also, is it still possible to manually move tabs around with the mouse or
judicious use of arrow keys to put them in your preferred order.  The
corollary, of course, is does that order stick if you close and reopen the
same file. later.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 5:00 PM D. via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> On putting the Chart of Accounts at the end: presumably that would work,
> but it really messes with the Order of Things in my head.  ;)
>
> As for the size changes, well, I have been using gnucash a while...
>
>
>  Original Message 
> From: Stan Brown 
> Sent: Tue Sep 15 15:55:35 EDT 2020
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Cc: D 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1
>
>
> On 2020-09-15 12:39, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
> >The first issue I've noticed is that new tabs now open directly under
> > the Chart of Accounts tab on the screen. In the past, they opened at
> > the very end of the list. ... I much prefer [the old] approach, since
> > I usually have a default set of accounts always opened, and the tabs
> > below are for more situational information.
>
> 2.6.19 does indeed put the new tab at the end. Like you, I have a small
> set of tabs that I always keep open, and open additional accounts only
> for some brief use.
>
> Can you work around the problem by making the Chart of Accounts last in
> your normal group?
>
> > The second issue I have is that tabs shrink and expand to show the full
> > account name up to a certain point. In older versions, I believe that
> > the tab width was fixed,
>
> I just tried it in 2.6.19, and when I opened a account with along name
> the column of tabs expanded to fit the long name. (Like you, I have the
> account tabs at the left, not at the top.)
>
> That's not to say that it necessarily _should_ be that way, but it
> doesn't seem to be a recent change.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Stan Brown
> Tehachapi, CA, USA
> https://BrownMath.com
> https://OakRoadSystems.com
>
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Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[David Carlson]

I need to ask if this change in sorting order also applies to the default
tabs at the top configuration.

Also, is it still possible to manually move tabs around with the mouse or
judicious use of arrow keys to put them in your preferred order.  The
corollary, of course, is does that order stick if you close and reopen the
same file. later.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 5:00 PM D. via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> On putting the Chart of Accounts at the end: presumably that would work,
> but it really messes with the Order of Things in my head.  ;)
>
> As for the size changes, well, I have been using gnucash a while...
>
>
>  Original Message 
> From: Stan Brown 
> Sent: Tue Sep 15 15:55:35 EDT 2020
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Cc: D 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1
>
>
> On 2020-09-15 12:39, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
> >The first issue I've noticed is that new tabs now open directly under
> > the Chart of Accounts tab on the screen. In the past, they opened at
> > the very end of the list. ... I much prefer [the old] approach, since
> > I usually have a default set of accounts always opened, and the tabs
> > below are for more situational information.
>
> 2.6.19 does indeed put the new tab at the end. Like you, I have a small
> set of tabs that I always keep open, and open additional accounts only
> for some brief use.
>
> Can you work around the problem by making the Chart of Accounts last in
> your normal group?
>
> > The second issue I have is that tabs shrink and expand to show the full
> > account name up to a certain point. In older versions, I believe that
> > the tab width was fixed,
>
> I just tried it in 2.6.19, and when I opened a account with along name
> the column of tabs expanded to fit the long name. (Like you, I have the
> account tabs at the left, not at the top.)
>
> That's not to say that it necessarily _should_ be that way, but it
> doesn't seem to be a recent change.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Stan Brown
> Tehachapi, CA, USA
> https://BrownMath.com
> https://OakRoadSystems.com
>
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Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[D. via gnucash-user]

On putting the Chart of Accounts at the end: presumably that would work, but it 
really messes with the Order of Things in my head.  ;)

As for the size changes, well, I have been using gnucash a while...


 Original Message 
From: Stan Brown 
Sent: Tue Sep 15 15:55:35 EDT 2020
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Cc: D 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1


On 2020-09-15 12:39, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
>The first issue I've noticed is that new tabs now open directly under
> the Chart of Accounts tab on the screen. In the past, they opened at
> the very end of the list. ... I much prefer [the old] approach, since
> I usually have a default set of accounts always opened, and the tabs
> below are for more situational information.

2.6.19 does indeed put the new tab at the end. Like you, I have a small
set of tabs that I always keep open, and open additional accounts only
for some brief use.

Can you work around the problem by making the Chart of Accounts last in
your normal group?

> The second issue I have is that tabs shrink and expand to show the full
> account name up to a certain point. In older versions, I believe that
> the tab width was fixed,

I just tried it in 2.6.19, and when I opened a account with along name
the column of tabs expanded to fit the long name. (Like you, I have the
account tabs at the left, not at the top.)

That's not to say that it necessarily _should_ be that way, but it
doesn't seem to be a recent change.

-- 
Regards,
Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com
https://OakRoadSystems.com

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Re: [GNC] Tabs Behaviors in GNC4.1

[Stan Brown]

On 2020-09-15 12:39, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
>The first issue I've noticed is that new tabs now open directly under
> the Chart of Accounts tab on the screen. In the past, they opened at
> the very end of the list. ... I much prefer [the old] approach, since
> I usually have a default set of accounts always opened, and the tabs
> below are for more situational information.

2.6.19 does indeed put the new tab at the end. Like you, I have a small
set of tabs that I always keep open, and open additional accounts only
for some brief use.

Can you work around the problem by making the Chart of Accounts last in
your normal group?

> The second issue I have is that tabs shrink and expand to show the full
> account name up to a certain point. In older versions, I believe that
> the tab width was fixed,

I just tried it in 2.6.19, and when I opened a account with along name
the column of tabs expanded to fit the long name. (Like you, I have the
account tabs at the left, not at the top.)

That's not to say that it necessarily _should_ be that way, but it
doesn't seem to be a recent change.

-- 
Regards,
Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com
https://OakRoadSystems.com
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