Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide

[D. via gnucash-user]

Frank, 

You're right. My perspective on the documentation is beside the point now, and 
I have to remind myself not to engage in these discussions any more. Maybe the 
German users have a need for the xslt; haven't seen much traffic on the English 
lists on the topic. 

David T.


 Original Message 
From: "Frank H. Ellenberger" 
Sent: Sun Mar 08 12:18:41 GMT+05:30 2020
To: "D." 
Cc: Gnucash Users 
Subject: Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide

Hi David,

as usual your comment is very motivational. ;-)


Am 07.03.20 um 14:43 schrieb D.:
> Honestly? That appendix should be deleted. Everything is covered in other 
> places, or is incredibly dated. 

I can not find any other place, where XSLT is treated, but it is used
e.g. in
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Account_Hierarchy_Template#Extensible_Stylesheet_Language_Transformations

BTW in between the page is online.

Regards
Frank

>  Original Message 
> From: "Frank H. Ellenberger" 
> Sent: Sat Mar 07 14:49:38 GMT+05:30 2020
> To: Rick Squires , 'David Cousens' 
> 
> Cc: GnuCash 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide
> 
> ... and tomorrow you can see an update of the appendix at
> https://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/appendixa.html
> 
> Regards
> Frank
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Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Hi David,

as usual your comment is very motivational. ;-)


Am 07.03.20 um 14:43 schrieb D.:
> Honestly? That appendix should be deleted. Everything is covered in other 
> places, or is incredibly dated. 

I can not find any other place, where XSLT is treated, but it is used
e.g. in
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Account_Hierarchy_Template#Extensible_Stylesheet_Language_Transformations

BTW in between the page is online.

Regards
Frank

>  Original Message 
> From: "Frank H. Ellenberger" 
> Sent: Sat Mar 07 14:49:38 GMT+05:30 2020
> To: Rick Squires , 'David Cousens' 
> 
> Cc: GnuCash 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide
> 
> ... and tomorrow you can see an update of the appendix at
> https://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/appendixa.html
> 
> Regards
> Frank
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Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide

[D. via gnucash-user]

Honestly? That appendix should be deleted. Everything is covered in other 
places, or is incredibly dated. 


 Original Message 
From: "Frank H. Ellenberger" 
Sent: Sat Mar 07 14:49:38 GMT+05:30 2020
To: Rick Squires , 'David Cousens' 

Cc: GnuCash 
Subject: Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide

... and tomorrow you can see an update of the appendix at
https://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/appendixa.html

Regards
Frank

Am 07.03.20 um 08:06 schrieb Rick Squires:
> Thankyou David,
> Quite a bit to read and think about there.
> I appreciate your input.
> Cheers,Rick
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Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide

[Rick Squires]

Thanks Liz,
I am moving very slowly at the moment, just trying to get an understanding
of how it all works. I've had some good results from importing a couple of
QIF files so far. Plenty more to do!
Cheers,Rick

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Subject: Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide

On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 15:35:10 +1100
"Rick Squires"  wrote:

>  
> 
> Before I move from Reckon I would really like to ensure that I can
> transfer all my data accurately.

Naturally, so you do some trial runs.
Plan to import small amounts at first, so that you can train the
importer.
Try variations until you get what you want.

If it doesn't work, some have used old and new programs simultaneously
for a financial year, and then completed the swapover.

Liz
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Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide

[Liz]

On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 15:35:10 +1100
"Rick Squires"  wrote:

>  
> 
> Before I move from Reckon I would really like to ensure that I can
> transfer all my data accurately.

Naturally, so you do some trial runs.
Plan to import small amounts at first, so that you can train the
importer.
Try variations until you get what you want.

If it doesn't work, some have used old and new programs simultaneously
for a financial year, and then completed the swapover.

Liz
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Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

... and tomorrow you can see an update of the appendix at
https://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/appendixa.html

Regards
Frank

Am 07.03.20 um 08:06 schrieb Rick Squires:
> Thankyou David,
> Quite a bit to read and think about there.
> I appreciate your input.
> Cheers,Rick
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Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide

[Rick Squires]

Hi Peter,

 

Thanks for your response. I’m using Reckon Accounts Personal Plus 2019 – 
Australian Version. I think it’s a different program from the one in your link. 
My program does not offer the same list of facilities.

Cheers, Rick

 

 

From: Peter West [mailto:p...@pbw.id.au] 
Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2020 16:35
To: Richard Squires
Cc: Adrien Monteleone; GnuCash Users
Subject: Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide

 

According to this page

https://help.aroflo.com/display/office/Exporting+from+Reckon+Accounts+and+Reckon+Hosted

you can export either .csv or .xls (Excel) files from Reckon.

 

 

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On 7 Mar 2020, at 9:20 am, Richard Squires  wrote:

 

Thanks for the input Frank, I'll use QIF files from Quicken/Reckon, I don't 
know how to get CSVs out of Reckon anyway.

Thanks Adrien, yeah it looks like the best way of doing it is to import each 
account separately. I found the reference to importing all accounts in one QIF 
file. It's at the bottom of page 66 of the TCG. As mentioned I'm using Reckon 
2019 which is way past Quicken 98. Interestingly there is no menu item normally 
in the program for exporting QIF files. However after some research I found out 
that Ctrl Shift Z activates a sub menu of Export to produce QIF files. Nothing 
whatsoever in the Help. I guess they just don't want anyone to know how to 
export their data!
Cheers, Rick




On 7 Mar 2020, at 08:40, Adrien Monteleone  
wrote:

Keeping the accounts separate should help with the duplication issues. I recall 
a recent thread that a QIF import from Quicken which contained multiple 
accounts caused a problem because both sides of the transaction were 
represented in each account in the same file. The matcher had issues with 
knowing they were the same transaction. This might have been specific to 
Quicken though and not the format in general.

Regards,
Adrien




On Mar 6, 2020 w10d66, at 2:51 PM, Richard Squires  
wrote:

Thanks for your response. Reckon can export QIF I don't think it does CSVs. I 
thought I read somewhere that you could combine all your accounts in one QIF 
file which would make the whole process a lot quicker and easier. But I can't 
find that facility in Reckon. I just thought it might be in the appendices 
section. I have already loaded one account into GnuCash successfully and I'm 
sure as part of the process it checks for duplicate transactions. I've been 
using Quicken/Reckon for some time so there's a fair bit of data to load. Just 
trying to get a good handle on how it all works so I don't waste too much time.
Thanks again for your response.
Cheers, Rick



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Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide

[Rick Squires]

Thankyou David,
Quite a bit to read and think about there.
I appreciate your input.
Cheers,Rick


-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
[mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+oceancruiser=bigpond@gnucash.org] On Behalf
Of David Cousens
Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2020 12:18
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide

Rick

There was some shifting of material from the Tutorial and Concepts guides as
well during a recent rearrangement although not the sections you mentioned.
The GnuCash Help manual cover operational parts of the process of importing.
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-help/trans-import.html and may be
useful as well.

Wikipedia has a fairly good article on the QIF format
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicken_Interchange_Format
as does www3
https://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/qif-doc/QIF-doc.htm
or
http://moneymvps.org/articles/qifspecification.aspx.

There have been some recent problems in reading QIF files that produce
errors using GnuCash v3.8 which were not a problem in earlier versions. See
recent archives of the GnuCash User mailing list for more info, i.e. this
thread
(http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/Re-GNC-dev-GNC-QIF-file-import-failed-
but-no-errors-or-warnings-tt4716206.html).
That will be fixed in v3.9 so until that is released it may be better to use
v3.7 or earlier.

David Cousens





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Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide

[Peter West]

According to this page
https://help.aroflo.com/display/office/Exporting+from+Reckon+Accounts+and+Reckon+Hosted
 

you can export either .csv or .xls (Excel) files from Reckon.


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> On 7 Mar 2020, at 9:20 am, Richard Squires  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the input Frank, I'll use QIF files from Quicken/Reckon, I don't 
> know how to get CSVs out of Reckon anyway.
> 
> Thanks Adrien, yeah it looks like the best way of doing it is to import each 
> account separately. I found the reference to importing all accounts in one 
> QIF file. It's at the bottom of page 66 of the TCG. As mentioned I'm using 
> Reckon 2019 which is way past Quicken 98. Interestingly there is no menu item 
> normally in the program for exporting QIF files. However after some research 
> I found out that Ctrl Shift Z activates a sub menu of Export to produce QIF 
> files. Nothing whatsoever in the Help. I guess they just don't want anyone to 
> know how to export their data!
> Cheers, Rick
> 
>> On 7 Mar 2020, at 08:40, Adrien Monteleone  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Keeping the accounts separate should help with the duplication issues. I 
>> recall a recent thread that a QIF import from Quicken which contained 
>> multiple accounts caused a problem because both sides of the transaction 
>> were represented in each account in the same file. The matcher had issues 
>> with knowing they were the same transaction. This might have been specific 
>> to Quicken though and not the format in general.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>> 
>>> On Mar 6, 2020 w10d66, at 2:51 PM, Richard Squires 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your response. Reckon can export QIF I don't think it does CSVs. 
>>> I thought I read somewhere that you could combine all your accounts in one 
>>> QIF file which would make the whole process a lot quicker and easier. But I 
>>> can't find that facility in Reckon. I just thought it might be in the 
>>> appendices section. I have already loaded one account into GnuCash 
>>> successfully and I'm sure as part of the process it checks for duplicate 
>>> transactions. I've been using Quicken/Reckon for some time so there's a 
>>> fair bit of data to load. Just trying to get a good handle on how it all 
>>> works so I don't waste too much time.
>>> Thanks again for your response.
>>> Cheers, Rick
>> 
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Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide

[David Cousens]

Rick

There was some shifting of material from the Tutorial and Concepts guides as
well during a recent rearrangement although not the sections you mentioned.
The GnuCash Help manual cover operational parts of the process of importing.
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-help/trans-import.html and may be
useful as well.

Wikipedia has a fairly good article on the QIF format
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicken_Interchange_Format
as does www3
https://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/qif-doc/QIF-doc.htm
or
http://moneymvps.org/articles/qifspecification.aspx.

There have been some recent problems in reading QIF files that produce
errors using GnuCash v3.8 which were not a problem in earlier versions. See
recent archives of the GnuCash User mailing list for more info, i.e. this
thread
(http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/Re-GNC-dev-GNC-QIF-file-import-failed-but-no-errors-or-warnings-tt4716206.html).
That will be fixed in v3.9 so until that is released it may be better to use
v3.7 or earlier.

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Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide

[Richard Squires]

Thanks for the input Frank, I'll use QIF files from Quicken/Reckon, I don't 
know how to get CSVs out of Reckon anyway.

Thanks Adrien, yeah it looks like the best way of doing it is to import each 
account separately. I found the reference to importing all accounts in one QIF 
file. It's at the bottom of page 66 of the TCG. As mentioned I'm using Reckon 
2019 which is way past Quicken 98. Interestingly there is no menu item normally 
in the program for exporting QIF files. However after some research I found out 
that Ctrl Shift Z activates a sub menu of Export to produce QIF files. Nothing 
whatsoever in the Help. I guess they just don't want anyone to know how to 
export their data!
Cheers, Rick

> On 7 Mar 2020, at 08:40, Adrien Monteleone  
> wrote:
> 
> Keeping the accounts separate should help with the duplication issues. I 
> recall a recent thread that a QIF import from Quicken which contained 
> multiple accounts caused a problem because both sides of the transaction were 
> represented in each account in the same file. The matcher had issues with 
> knowing they were the same transaction. This might have been specific to 
> Quicken though and not the format in general.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
>> On Mar 6, 2020 w10d66, at 2:51 PM, Richard Squires 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for your response. Reckon can export QIF I don't think it does CSVs. 
>> I thought I read somewhere that you could combine all your accounts in one 
>> QIF file which would make the whole process a lot quicker and easier. But I 
>> can't find that facility in Reckon. I just thought it might be in the 
>> appendices section. I have already loaded one account into GnuCash 
>> successfully and I'm sure as part of the process it checks for duplicate 
>> transactions. I've been using Quicken/Reckon for some time so there's a fair 
>> bit of data to load. Just trying to get a good handle on how it all works so 
>> I don't waste too much time.
>> Thanks again for your response.
>> Cheers, Rick
> 
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Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide

[Adrien Monteleone]

Keeping the accounts separate should help with the duplication issues. I recall 
a recent thread that a QIF import from Quicken which contained multiple 
accounts caused a problem because both sides of the transaction were 
represented in each account in the same file. The matcher had issues with 
knowing they were the same transaction. This might have been specific to 
Quicken though and not the format in general.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Mar 6, 2020 w10d66, at 2:51 PM, Richard Squires  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your response. Reckon can export QIF I don't think it does CSVs. I 
> thought I read somewhere that you could combine all your accounts in one QIF 
> file which would make the whole process a lot quicker and easier. But I can't 
> find that facility in Reckon. I just thought it might be in the appendices 
> section. I have already loaded one account into GnuCash successfully and I'm 
> sure as part of the process it checks for duplicate transactions. I've been 
> using Quicken/Reckon for some time so there's a fair bit of data to load. 
> Just trying to get a good handle on how it all works so I don't waste too 
> much time.
> Thanks again for your response.
> Cheers, Rick
> 


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Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Hi,

Am 06.03.20 um 08:10 schrieb Adrien Monteleone:
> It seems those are placeholders for sections. Perhaps they should not have 
> been listed in the TOC. I’m not sure what ‘discussion’ means, but my guess 
> would be there is a working bug report on the topic or specific list threads 
> the documentation will be derived from.

I have tracked it down until 2003 (GnuCash 1.x) and the sections have
all the time been empty. IIRC nobody has complained before. ;-)

> But to the issue at hand, the Importing sections (not Appendices) should get 
> you going.

Perhaps https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Quicken_Migration can guide you?

> If you can get your data in QIF, you should be okay, but that is not optimal. 
> (that format has issues, especially with duplication)
> 
> I think from what I’ve been following in other import discussions, CSV has 
> more versatility and is easier to work with and manipulate if needed prior to 
> importing.

Here I do not completely agree. QIF is a specific format for financial
data. CSV is a multi purpose format for tables and has other issues.

> What can Reckon export?

As Reckon is an australian product only few users might know it.

> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
>> On Mar 5, 2020 w10d65, at 10:35 PM, Rick Squires  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm just starting with GnuCash and want to migrate from Reckon Accounts
>> Personal Plus 2019 Release R 1.
>>
>>
>>
>> In the Tutorial and Concepts Guide there is a section called Appendix A.
>> Migration Guide.
>>
>> The ones I am particularly interested in are:
>>
>> A.2. Organization of QIF Files (Discussion)
>>
>> A.3. Common Duplication Issues (Discussion)
>>
>> A.4. Checking QIF Data (Discussion)
>>
>>
>>
>> When I try to read each of these discussions the heading loads but the page
>> is blank. Am I doing something wrong? I can read the rest of the
>> documentation OK.
>>
>>
>>
>> Before I move from Reckon I would really like to ensure that I can transfer
>> all my data accurately.
>>
>>
>>
>> Suggestions for alternative reading would be appreciated.

Regards
Frank
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Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide

[Richard Squires]

Thanks for your response. Reckon can export QIF I don't think it does CSVs. I 
thought I read somewhere that you could combine all your accounts in one QIF 
file which would make the whole process a lot quicker and easier. But I can't 
find that facility in Reckon. I just thought it might be in the appendices 
section. I have already loaded one account into GnuCash successfully and I'm 
sure as part of the process it checks for duplicate transactions. I've been 
using Quicken/Reckon for some time so there's a fair bit of data to load. Just 
trying to get a good handle on how it all works so I don't waste too much time.
Thanks again for your response.
Cheers, Rick

> On 6 Mar 2020, at 18:10, Adrien Monteleone  
> wrote:
> 
> It seems those are placeholders for sections. Perhaps they should not have 
> been listed in the TOC. I’m not sure what ‘discussion’ means, but my guess 
> would be there is a working bug report on the topic or specific list threads 
> the documentation will be derived from.
> 
> But to the issue at hand, the Importing sections (not Appendices) should get 
> you going.
> 
> If you can get your data in QIF, you should be okay, but that is not optimal. 
> (that format has issues, especially with duplication)
> 
> I think from what I’ve been following in other import discussions, CSV has 
> more versatility and is easier to work with and manipulate if needed prior to 
> importing.
> 
> What can Reckon export?
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
>> On Mar 5, 2020 w10d65, at 10:35 PM, Rick Squires  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm just starting with GnuCash and want to migrate from Reckon Accounts
>> Personal Plus 2019 Release R 1.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In the Tutorial and Concepts Guide there is a section called Appendix A.
>> Migration Guide.
>> 
>> The ones I am particularly interested in are:
>> 
>> A.2. Organization of QIF Files (Discussion)
>> 
>> A.3. Common Duplication Issues (Discussion)
>> 
>> A.4. Checking QIF Data (Discussion)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> When I try to read each of these discussions the heading loads but the page
>> is blank. Am I doing something wrong? I can read the rest of the
>> documentation OK.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Before I move from Reckon I would really like to ensure that I can transfer
>> all my data accurately.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Suggestions for alternative reading would be appreciated.
> 
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Re: [GNC] The Tutorial and Concepts Guide

[Adrien Monteleone]

It seems those are placeholders for sections. Perhaps they should not have been 
listed in the TOC. I’m not sure what ‘discussion’ means, but my guess would be 
there is a working bug report on the topic or specific list threads the 
documentation will be derived from.

But to the issue at hand, the Importing sections (not Appendices) should get 
you going.

If you can get your data in QIF, you should be okay, but that is not optimal. 
(that format has issues, especially with duplication)

I think from what I’ve been following in other import discussions, CSV has more 
versatility and is easier to work with and manipulate if needed prior to 
importing.

What can Reckon export?

Regards,
Adrien

> On Mar 5, 2020 w10d65, at 10:35 PM, Rick Squires  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> 
> I'm just starting with GnuCash and want to migrate from Reckon Accounts
> Personal Plus 2019 Release R 1.
> 
> 
> 
> In the Tutorial and Concepts Guide there is a section called Appendix A.
> Migration Guide.
> 
> The ones I am particularly interested in are:
> 
> A.2. Organization of QIF Files (Discussion)
> 
> A.3. Common Duplication Issues (Discussion)
> 
> A.4. Checking QIF Data (Discussion)
> 
> 
> 
> When I try to read each of these discussions the heading loads but the page
> is blank. Am I doing something wrong? I can read the rest of the
> documentation OK.
> 
> 
> 
> Before I move from Reckon I would really like to ensure that I can transfer
> all my data accurately.
> 
> 
> 
> Suggestions for alternative reading would be appreciated.

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