Re: Quieten gpg-agent output?

2011-12-16 Thread Werner Koch
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:47, li...@chrispoole.com said:

> Is there a better way to get rid of these "errors"?

Yes, use gpg2.  Using gpg and gpg-agent is just a kludge.  gpg2 requires
gpg-agent and thus we don't need those messages there anymore.


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Bad Signatures when using check-sigs

2011-12-16 Thread David Tomaschik
When executing gpg --check-sigs, there are reports of "bad
signatures."  What makes a signature "bad"?  For example, on a key I
signed that has several UIDs, one of my signatures on one UID is
reported as bad, but the rest are fine.  I looked in the docs, but
didn't find anything... hope I'm not missing something obvious.

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keyserver spam

2011-12-16 Thread gnupg
I understand that once you've uploaded something to the keyservers, it
can't be removed. Eg, if I sign someone elses key and upload that, it
will be attached to their key permanently?

What if someone were to generate say, 10,000 keypairs with "offensive"
uid names, and then sign my key with each of them, and then upload that
to the keyservers? Is there anything to stop that? Is there anything to
stop a spammer generating a key with their URL in the uid name and then
signing every key they can find and uploading that to the keyservers?

Has anything like this happened before?

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Re: keyserver spam

2011-12-16 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 12/16/2011 10:51 AM, gn...@lists.grepular.com wrote:
> I understand that once you've uploaded something to the keyservers, it
> can't be removed. Eg, if I sign someone elses key and upload that, it
> will be attached to their key permanently?

yes, this is correct. :(

> What if someone were to generate say, 10,000 keypairs with "offensive"
> uid names, and then sign my key with each of them, and then upload that
> to the keyservers? Is there anything to stop that?

nope.  flooding like this is currently possible. :(

> Is there anything to
> stop a spammer generating a key with their URL in the uid name and then
> signing every key they can find and uploading that to the keyservers?

nope, this is also possible. :(

> Has anything like this happened before?

well, there's the JBARSE key, which i vaguely recall having been created
in a joking way to threaten character assassination, but i can't find
any keys that it has actually signed, nor any documentation to explain
why i have this recollection, so please take with a grain of salt.

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Re: keyserver spam

2011-12-16 Thread David Shaw
On Dec 16, 2011, at 10:51 AM, gn...@lists.grepular.com wrote:

> I understand that once you've uploaded something to the keyservers, it
> can't be removed. Eg, if I sign someone elses key and upload that, it
> will be attached to their key permanently?

Essentially, yes.  Things are theoretically removable, but it takes 
carefully-timed manual editing on the part of all the keyserver operators to 
expunge something (or the bad data will just come back). The system is just not 
designed for that.

> What if someone were to generate say, 10,000 keypairs with "offensive"
> uid names, and then sign my key with each of them, and then upload that
> to the keyservers? Is there anything to stop that?

Nope.

> Is there anything to
> stop a spammer generating a key with their URL in the uid name and then
> signing every key they can find and uploading that to the keyservers?

Nope.

> Has anything like this happened before?

Yes, but only in a few smallish cases.  As far as I recall, nobody has ever 
done multiple thousands of keys.

I'd be more worried about photo IDs on keys.  Imagine what could be done with 
someone using the keyserver network to distribute illegal photos.  To be sure, 
if the point is photo distribution, there are more efficient ways to go about 
it, but if your goal is to hurt the keyserver network…

David


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Re: keyserver spam

2011-12-16 Thread Johan Wevers
On 16-12-2011 16:51, gn...@lists.grepular.com wrote:

> I understand that once you've uploaded something to the keyservers, it
> can't be removed. Eg, if I sign someone elses key and upload that, it
> will be attached to their key permanently?

Yes. Of course, you can remove it locally.

> What if someone were to generate say, 10,000 keypairs with "offensive"
> uid names, and then sign my key with each of them, and then upload that
> to the keyservers?

Then you might have a problem.

> Is there anything to stop that?

Not really.

> Has anything like this happened before?

The only thing that comes close is the keyserver at (I believe) pgp.com,
who issues a new signature every few months clogging your key with
expired signatures.

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re: keyserver spam

2011-12-16 Thread vedaal
What if keyservers were to limit the amount of keys generated or 
uploaded to a 'reasonable' amount which no 'real' user would 
exceed?

(i.e. 10/day, or some other number discussed and agreed upon by the 
various keyservers?)


vedaal


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Re: keyserver spam

2011-12-16 Thread Jerome Baum
On 2011-12-16 20:07, ved...@nym.hush.com wrote:
> What if keyservers were to limit the amount of keys generated or 
> uploaded to a 'reasonable' amount which no 'real' user would 
> exceed?
> 
> (i.e. 10/day, or some other number discussed and agreed upon by the 
> various keyservers?)

What problem are we solving? Keyserver spam isn't an issue yet. We don't
know if it will ever be.

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