Re: A place for discussing WKD spec clarifications?

2019-11-09 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor via Gnupg-users
On Tue 2019-10-22 21:28:53 -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor via Gnupg-users wrote:
> On Thu 2019-10-17 11:08:46 +, Bjarni Runar Einarsson wrote:
>> Daniel Kahn Gillmor  wrote:
>>> I'd be happy to set up such a tracker at (say)
>>> https://gitlab.com/openpgp-wg/web-key-directory/issues if folks
>>> are OK with it.
>>> 
>>> Werner, does that sound OK to you?
>>
>> This sounds good to me, but I agree it's important Werner is
>> onboard.
>
> Werner, can you give some indication of whether this sounds reasonable
> to you?  This is an important spec, and i'd like to have a place where
> we can keep track of implementer concerns.

I spoke with Werner about this last week, and he agreed that gitlab was
a reasonable place for the discussion.

I've just set up https://gitlab.com/openpgp-wg/webkey-directory for this
purpose -- it has an issue tracker and a proposed git repo (though it is
of course up to Werner whether he wants to use that git repo or keep
with the gnupg-docs repo for this draft).

I'll follow up with more details on open...@ietf.org, because i think
this draft is important for the entire OpenPGP ecosystem, not just
gnupg-users.

--dkg


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Re: A place for discussing WKD spec clarifications?

2019-10-22 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor via Gnupg-users
On Thu 2019-10-17 11:08:46 +, Bjarni Runar Einarsson wrote:
> Daniel Kahn Gillmor  wrote:
>> I'd be happy to set up such a tracker at (say)
>> https://gitlab.com/openpgp-wg/web-key-directory/issues if folks
>> are OK with it.
>> 
>> Werner, does that sound OK to you?
>
> This sounds good to me, but I agree it's important Werner is
> onboard.

Werner, can you give some indication of whether this sounds reasonable
to you?  This is an important spec, and i'd like to have a place where
we can keep track of implementer concerns.

Thanks,

--dkg


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Re: A place for discussing WKD spec clarifications?

2019-10-17 Thread Bjarni Runar Einarsson
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Hello!

Thanks for the comments, guys!

Daniel Kahn Gillmor  wrote:
> >
> > I thing gnupg-devel@ gnupg.org would be an appropriate place for
> > discussing such topics.
> 
...
> If we want general e-mail discussion about WKD concerns, i'd
> suggest using the open...@ietf.org mailing list, as it will
> reach implementers of more WKD clients than just gnupg-users.

I'm fine with any of the named venues for discussion; I agree
that it would be good to have an issue tracker as well.

There were many different minor issues raised at the summit and
sometimes mailing list discussions meander a bit. Having a
tracker where conclusions are summarized (linking back to mailing
list archives) is very useful.

> I'd be happy to set up such a tracker at (say)
> https://gitlab.com/openpgp-wg/web-key-directory/issues if folks
> are OK with it.
> 
> Werner, does that sound OK to you?

This sounds good to me, but I agree it's important Werner is
onboard. He's the author of the spec, after all, an issue tracker
without his participation seems unlikely to achieve its goals.

I made a bunch of minor tweaks to Mailpile's WKD implementation
at and after the summit, I'm keen to share that as soon as I know
what the best venue is. Ideally I'd like to create some "bug
reports" against the spec, and then write a post to the
appropriate list where I summarize.

Cheers,
 - Bjarni

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Re: A place for discussing WKD spec clarifications?

2019-10-16 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor via Gnupg-users
On Tue 2019-10-15 23:01:33 +0200, Werner Koch via Gnupg-users wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 09:06, Bjarni Runar Einarsson said:
>
>> Would the GnuPG issue tracker be a good place to file "bug
>> reports" against the spec, to work towards clarifications?
>
> That is okay for bug reports, but often it is more important to get the
> opinions from more people than those who triage the bug reports.
>
> I thing gnupg-devel@ gnupg.org would be an appropriate place for
> discussing such topics.

WKD is a useful spec, and an increasingly important part of the OpenPGP
ecosystem.

If we want general e-mail discussion about WKD concerns, i'd suggest
using the open...@ietf.org mailing list, as it will reach implementers
of more WKD clients than just gnupg-users.

That said, e-mail discussion is not the same as a tracker that allows us
to keep a list of currently-known issues and concerns.

If https://dev.gnupg.org/ is not appropriate for that sort of issue
tracking, perhaps we could set up an issue tracker on gitlab associated
with the WKD spec?  I'd be happy to set up such a tracker at (say)
https://gitlab.com/openpgp-wg/web-key-directory/issues if folks are OK
with it.

Werner, does that sound OK to you?

As usual for any IETF-related interoperability discussion, i'd expect
any major issues to *also* go to the mailing list for visibility and
robust archiving, but i think that having an actively-maintained,
publicly-accessible issue tracker related to this important work would
be concretely useful.

--dkg


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Re: A place for discussing WKD spec clarifications?

2019-10-15 Thread Werner Koch via Gnupg-users
On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 09:06, Bjarni Runar Einarsson said:

> Would the GnuPG issue tracker be a good place to file "bug
> reports" against the spec, to work towards clarifications?

That is okay for bug reports, but often it is more important to get the
opinions from more people than those who triage the bug reports.

I thing gnupg-devel@ gnupg.org would be an appropriate place for
discussing such topics.


Salam-Shalom,

   Werner


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