Re: Symmetrical encryption or ...

[Jason Antony]

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On 2014-11-22 20:23, Dave Pawson wrote:

> Not found for Fedora.

It can be done for Fedora. You'll need to download the portable
version of Keepass2 from the official website, and install the Mono
runtimes and xdotool.

After extracting the keepass2 archive, cd to the directory, then run:

mono KeePass.exe

Instructions found here:

https://cloudplasma.co.uk/2014/01/keepass-2-fedora-20/

Regards,

Jason
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Re: Symmetrical encryption or ...

[Peter Lebbing]

On 22/11/14 11:11, Peter Lebbing wrote:
> If I look at the KeePass website, specifically at [1], I see:

Whoops!

[1] http://keepass.info/help/v2/setup.html#mono

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Re: Symmetrical encryption or ...

[Peter Lebbing]

On 22/11/14 10:23, Dave Pawson wrote:
> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/keepass2
> 
> Looks like Ubuntu only?
> 
> Not found for Fedora.

If I look at the KeePass website, specifically at [1], I see:

 8< -- >8 
In addition to Windows, KeePass 2.x runs fine under Mono, i.e. Linux, Mac OS
X, BSD, etc.

Links to all supported packages can be found on the KeePass downloads page:
http://keepass.info/download.html.

Debian/Ubuntu Linux:
Install the keepass2 / KeePass 2.x for Debian/Ubuntu Linux package (e.g.
using APT). A link to a page with more information about this package can be
found on the downloads page.

Fedora Linux:
Install the keepass package (from the Fedora repository; link on the
downloads page).
[...]

 8< -- >8 

So it would appear that Fedora calls the package "keepass" rather than
"keepass2", but it is available (and is actually version 2.x).

I use KeePass 2 myself and like it. I only use Linux though.

By the way, regarding your first post: while symmetric mode is pretty much
invented for your use case, you can also encrypt to your own public key. It
would be overkill if that is all you have the private key installed for. But
if you have the private key installed anyway and use it for other stuff, and
have gpg-agent cache your passphrase, it would mean you wouldn't have to type
the passphrase every time.

I can think of a special case where it gets even better in my eyes: if you
have a smartcard. You only have to type a relatively short PIN instead of a
strong passphrase. Then again, I type my KeePass 2 strong passphrase often
enough, and it's not bothersome. Maybe I just like smartcards :). Yep, that's 
it.

HTH,

Peter.

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Re: Symmetrical encryption or ...

[Dave Pawson]

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/keepass2

Looks like Ubuntu only?

Not found for Fedora.

I'll stick with symmetric for now.

Thanks Jason

On 22 November 2014 08:47, Jason Antony  wrote:
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> On 2014-11-22 18:54, Dave Pawson wrote:
>
>> I installed keepassx. Not much use to me. 1. Illegible with my
>> eyesight (reported to them) 2. Insufficient fields (seems to be non
>> expandable).
>
> Try Keepass2 (official). It worked fine for me when I last used Linux,
> and requires the Mono runtime. Fonts are adjustable, and the auto-type
> (requires the xdotool package for Linux) will fulfil the wishes you
> had stated earlier.
>
> All the best,
>
> Jason
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Re: Symmetrical encryption or ...

[Jason Antony]

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On 2014-11-22 18:54, Dave Pawson wrote:

> I installed keepassx. Not much use to me. 1. Illegible with my
> eyesight (reported to them) 2. Insufficient fields (seems to be non
> expandable).

Try Keepass2 (official). It worked fine for me when I last used Linux,
and requires the Mono runtime. Fonts are adjustable, and the auto-type
(requires the xdotool package for Linux) will fulfil the wishes you
had stated earlier.

All the best,

Jason
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Re: Symmetrical encryption or ...

[Dave Pawson]

I installed keepassx. Not much use to me.
1. Illegible with my eyesight (reported to them)
2. Insufficient fields (seems to be non expandable).

regards

On 22 November 2014 02:37, Doug Barton  wrote:
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> On 11/20/14 10:40 AM, Dave Pawson wrote:
> | Requirement. Two machines (one Linux, one Windows).
> |
> | I want a secure file 'shared' between them, as a pwd-safe.
> |
> | Only I use the two machines, but need the file encrypted.
> |
> | Any alternatives to symmetrical encryption of a file?
>
> Either symmetric or PK encryption would suit your needs, but as
> someone pointed out already, a better solution is to use a password safe.
>
> KeePass is an excellent solution, and I use the same password db
> between Windows, Linux, and OS X (not in that order). :)  You want to
> use the lowest common denominator format between those systems, which
> at this point is the 1.28 version for Windows, and the keepassx
> version that comes with most Linux distributions (I use Ubuntu
> primarily). For OS X it gets a little trickier, since the version that
> includes auto-type is community sourced, but the person who produces
> it is well trusted, and a lot of people use it.
>
> Schneier had an interesting blog post recently about password safes,
> with a link to papers that did extensive research on them. KeePass
> came out looking pretty good, as one of the key problems with most
> password safes is that if the auto-type is truly automatic, it can be
> triggered by malicious software and grab your passwords off the
> clipboard in windows. While KeePass does have an auto-type feature,
> you have to trigger the key sequence to use it, and that sequence is
> user-configurable. And obviously you don't want to use solutions like
> LastPass, where your stuff is stored in their cloud. The question of
> "What if they get hacked?" is no longer academic, since it happened
> recently.
>
> For synchronization between systems I use SpiderOak, which also has
> clients for all 3 platforms. KeePass already encrypts the db file, and
> SpiderOak, unlike most "cloud storage" platforms, encrypts the files
> it backs up locally (on your system) with a special key that the
> company does not know. The upload channel is encrypted to their
> servers as well, so your data is never available in the clear. Because
> they don't know the encryption key your data is never de-duplicated
> with other people's stuff, although if you set up folder
> synchronization between systems the same files will be de-duplicated
> within your own account.
>
> ... and speaking of folder synchronization, one of the things I like
> about SpiderOak is that you can set up arbitrary folders to
> synchronize between systems, you don't have to put all of your stuff
> in one folder. You can also configure it to exclude certain files from
> syncing, which is handy to avoid synching the .lock file for KeePass. :)
>
> http://keepass.info/index.html
>
> https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/09/security_of_pas.html
>
> If you use this link to sign up for SpiderOak, I get free space. :)
> https://spideroak.com/signup/referral/25c4971714a13f13c24fa98a43317dc2/
>
> Or, here is the regular link, if you prefer:
> https://spideroak.com/
>
> hope this helps,
>
> Doug
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Re: Symmetrical encryption or ...

[Dave Pawson]

Thanks Doug

On 22 November 2014 02:37, Doug Barton  wrote:
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> Either symmetric or PK encryption would suit your needs, but as
> someone pointed out already, a better solution is to use a password safe.
>
> KeePass is an excellent solution, and I use the same password db
> between Windows, Linux, and OS X (not in that order). :)  You want to
> use the lowest common denominator format between those systems, which
> at this point is the 1.28 version for Windows, and the keepassx
> version that comes with most Linux distributions (I use Ubuntu
> primarily).

Noted.

typically Secure access requires n items, login/pwd/mothers maiden
name/ inside leg measurement etc... Can keepassx store a list of
key:value pairs?
  I know some systems are restrictive in this area. I'm currently
running Python code which dumps the dictionary content for use, direct
from the decryption.


So where do you store the data? Online for access from 3 machines? Dropbox?
   Seems an unnecessary exposure. I'll have a look.

>
>  And obviously you don't want to use solutions like
> LastPass, where your stuff is stored in their cloud. The question of
> "What if they get hacked?" is no longer academic, since it happened
> recently.

Yes...

>
> For synchronization between systems I use SpiderOak, which also has
> clients for all 3 platforms. KeePass already encrypts the db file, and
> SpiderOak, unlike most "cloud storage" platforms, encrypts the files
> it backs up locally (on your system) with a special key that the
> company does not know.

Another exposure? At least with a symmetrical encryption the files are
only local... (Am I being too cautious?)



> http://keepass.info/index.html
>
> https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/09/security_of_pas.html
>
> If you use this link to sign up for SpiderOak, I get free space. :)
> https://spideroak.com/signup/referral/25c4971714a13f13c24fa98a43317dc2/

Thanks Doug. More options.


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Re: Symmetrical encryption or ...

[Doug Barton]

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On 11/20/14 10:40 AM, Dave Pawson wrote:
| Requirement. Two machines (one Linux, one Windows).
|
| I want a secure file 'shared' between them, as a pwd-safe.
|
| Only I use the two machines, but need the file encrypted.
|
| Any alternatives to symmetrical encryption of a file?

Either symmetric or PK encryption would suit your needs, but as
someone pointed out already, a better solution is to use a password safe.

KeePass is an excellent solution, and I use the same password db
between Windows, Linux, and OS X (not in that order). :)  You want to
use the lowest common denominator format between those systems, which
at this point is the 1.28 version for Windows, and the keepassx
version that comes with most Linux distributions (I use Ubuntu
primarily). For OS X it gets a little trickier, since the version that
includes auto-type is community sourced, but the person who produces
it is well trusted, and a lot of people use it.

Schneier had an interesting blog post recently about password safes,
with a link to papers that did extensive research on them. KeePass
came out looking pretty good, as one of the key problems with most
password safes is that if the auto-type is truly automatic, it can be
triggered by malicious software and grab your passwords off the
clipboard in windows. While KeePass does have an auto-type feature,
you have to trigger the key sequence to use it, and that sequence is
user-configurable. And obviously you don't want to use solutions like
LastPass, where your stuff is stored in their cloud. The question of
"What if they get hacked?" is no longer academic, since it happened
recently.

For synchronization between systems I use SpiderOak, which also has
clients for all 3 platforms. KeePass already encrypts the db file, and
SpiderOak, unlike most "cloud storage" platforms, encrypts the files
it backs up locally (on your system) with a special key that the
company does not know. The upload channel is encrypted to their
servers as well, so your data is never available in the clear. Because
they don't know the encryption key your data is never de-duplicated
with other people's stuff, although if you set up folder
synchronization between systems the same files will be de-duplicated
within your own account.

... and speaking of folder synchronization, one of the things I like
about SpiderOak is that you can set up arbitrary folders to
synchronize between systems, you don't have to put all of your stuff
in one folder. You can also configure it to exclude certain files from
syncing, which is handy to avoid synching the .lock file for KeePass. :)

http://keepass.info/index.html

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/09/security_of_pas.html

If you use this link to sign up for SpiderOak, I get free space. :)
https://spideroak.com/signup/referral/25c4971714a13f13c24fa98a43317dc2/

Or, here is the regular link, if you prefer:
https://spideroak.com/

hope this helps,

Doug

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Re: Symmetrical encryption or ...

[Dave Pawson]

1. A matter of trust (low)
2. One mc is Linux, the other windows - they tend not to mix?

Tks, Dave

On 21 November 2014 18:36, Schlacta, Christ  wrote:
> For a password safe you might look into existing solutions, such as
> keepass(x) or other similar password storage solutions
>
> On Nov 21, 2014 10:29 AM, "Dave Pawson"  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Robert. I'll give it a try.
>>
>> regards Dave P
>>
>> On 21 November 2014 18:24, Robert J. Hansen  wrote:
>> >> Only I use the two machines, but need the file encrypted.
>> >>
>> >> Any alternatives to symmetrical encryption of a file?
>> >
>> >
>> > Not really.  Sym would appear to be ideal for your use case.
>> >
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Re: Symmetrical encryption or ...

[Schlacta, Christ]

For a password safe you might look into existing solutions, such as
keepass(x) or other similar password storage solutions
On Nov 21, 2014 10:29 AM, "Dave Pawson"  wrote:

> Thanks Robert. I'll give it a try.
>
> regards Dave P
>
> On 21 November 2014 18:24, Robert J. Hansen  wrote:
> >> Only I use the two machines, but need the file encrypted.
> >>
> >> Any alternatives to symmetrical encryption of a file?
> >
> >
> > Not really.  Sym would appear to be ideal for your use case.
> >
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Re: Symmetrical encryption or ...

[Dave Pawson]

Thanks Robert. I'll give it a try.

regards Dave P

On 21 November 2014 18:24, Robert J. Hansen  wrote:
>> Only I use the two machines, but need the file encrypted.
>>
>> Any alternatives to symmetrical encryption of a file?
>
>
> Not really.  Sym would appear to be ideal for your use case.
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Re: Symmetrical encryption or ...

[Robert J. Hansen]

Only I use the two machines, but need the file encrypted.

Any alternatives to symmetrical encryption of a file?


Not really.  Sym would appear to be ideal for your use case.


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Symmetrical encryption or ...

[Dave Pawson]

Requirement.
Two machines (one Linux, one Windows).

I want a secure file 'shared' between them, as a pwd-safe.

Only I use the two machines, but need the file encrypted.

Any alternatives to symmetrical encryption of a file?

TiA,



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