Possible future Gorm name change
All, I have been considering for some time changing Gorm's name to something else. I believe that some people might find the name a little awkward and some, particularly on slashdot, commented on it. In spite of the fact that other Open Source/Free Software apps have odd names, GIMP being possibly the most glaring example, some people seem to dislike the Gorm name. I wanted to take the opportunity now, rather than later, to ask if anyone has any suggestions they would like to make regarding the name of the application. My personal favorite, if the name were to be changed, is InterfaceCreator since this goes very well with ProjectCenter. On Cocoa you have PB and IB and on GNUstep you have PC and IC. :) Anyway... please let me know if you have any substantive (meaning not silly, stupid or patently unimaginative) ideas regarding a new name. Thanks, GJC P.S. I personally like the Gorm name, but I wanted to poll the community before the next major version of the application comes out. Gregory John Casamento -- Principal Consultant, Open Logic Corp. (A MD Corp.) ## Maintainer of Gorm (IB Equiv.) for GNUstep. ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Possible future Gorm name change
> I wanted to take the opportunity now, rather than later, to ask if anyone > has any suggestions they would like to make regarding the name of the > application. What about AppDesigner? Considering some of the scripting functionality that can be added to an interface now via Nicolas's StepTalk palette, it seems to me that Gorm can be used for much more now that just designing/building interfaces. J. ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Possible future Gorm name change
Gregory John Casamento wrote: > P.S. I personally like the Gorm name, but I wanted to poll the community > before > the next major version of the application comes out. > I actually like the old name as well. Do we really need to change it? There will always be people complaining about every possible name. Did somebody come up with a reall argument against GORM? Cheers Fred ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Possible future Gorm name change
On Wednesday 16 November 2005 04:22 pm, Gregory John Casamento wrote: > All, > > I have been considering for some time changing Gorm's name to something > else. I believe that some people might find the name a little awkward and > some, particularly on slashdot, commented on it. Smudged. -- Patrick "Diablo-D3" McFarland || [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 pgprjlrCkKsKr.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Possible future Gorm name change
Jesse, --- Jesse Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wanted to take the opportunity now, rather than later, to ask if anyone > > has any suggestions they would like to make regarding the name of the > > application. > > What about AppDesigner? > > Considering some of the scripting functionality that can be added to an > interface now via Nicolas's StepTalk palette, it seems to me that Gorm can > be used for much more now that just designing/building interfaces. Gorm could always be used for more than this. :) The StepTalk palette really just takes it one step further and allows you to do the coding in Gorm itself. I, however, wouldn't want to name it based on abilities given to it by a palette which does not come with it by default. GJC Gregory John Casamento -- Principal Consultant, Open Logic Corp. (A MD Corp.) ## Maintainer of Gorm (IB Equiv.) for GNUstep. ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Possible future Gorm name change
Patrick, --- Patrick McFarland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 16 November 2005 04:22 pm, Gregory John Casamento wrote: > > All, > > > > I have been considering for some time changing Gorm's name to something > > else. I believe that some people might find the name a little awkward and > > some, particularly on slashdot, commented on it. > > Smudged. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gaum(an alternate spelling for "gorm") 1) (British dialectal) attention, understanding GJC Gregory John Casamento -- Principal Consultant, Open Logic Corp. (A MD Corp.) ## Maintainer of Gorm (IB Equiv.) for GNUstep. ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Possible future Gorm name change
On 17.11.2005, at 2:38, Gregory John Casamento wrote: Jesse, --- Jesse Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I wanted to take the opportunity now, rather than later, to ask if anyone has any suggestions they would like to make regarding the name of the application. What about AppDesigner? Considering some of the scripting functionality that can be added to an interface now via Nicolas's StepTalk palette, it seems to me that Gorm can be used for much more now that just designing/building interfaces. Gorm could always be used for more than this. :) The StepTalk palette really just takes it one step further and allows you to do the coding in Gorm itself. I, however, wouldn't want to name it based on abilities given to it by a palette which does not come with it by default. Object Builder Idea for the future: Gorm + OmniGraffle-like diagram editing + NSController + other GNUstep extensions -> Object Builder. With well designed Lego-blocks: * controllers * value transformers * object presenters (*) * object views * computation objects ... one would be able to build an application using ObjectBuilder just by creating an object network graphically. We are not that far form that :-) Stefan Urbanek (*) I am now developing presenter concept for AgentFarms, after I finish it I will write a short description. It is a concept for object-network based documents. If someone is interested ealier, let me know. -- http://stefan.agentfarms.net First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Possible future Gorm name change
Quoting Gregory John Casamento <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > All, > > I have been considering for some time changing Gorm's name to something else. > I believe that some people might find the name a little awkward and some, > particularly on slashdot, commented on it. > > In spite of the fact that other Open Source/Free Software apps have odd > names, > GIMP being possibly the most glaring example, some people seem to dislike the > Gorm name. > > I wanted to take the opportunity now, rather than later, to ask if anyone has > any suggestions they would like to make regarding the name of the > application. > My personal favorite, if the name were to be changed, is InterfaceCreator > since > this goes very well with ProjectCenter. Perhaps change it to something which doesn't have a "Gor" combination - that makes the name sound a bit darkish and brings up associations in my head such as "gore", "growl", "grunt", etc. But that's an unimportant little thing and I'm fine with Gorm's current name as well. Just please don't change it to "InterfaceCreator" or another silly tongue twister. If change, then something short and simple to remember. Look at other IDE's names: Xcode, Eclipse, NetBeans, Code::Blocks, Visual Studio, Lazarus, etc. - they're all relatively short and sound quite nice (also to non-English speakers). > On Cocoa you have PB and IB and on GNUstep you have PC and IC. :) Apple changed ProjectBuilder's name to Xcode a couple of years ago, so that it would be shorter and would sound better. Or perhaps Steve Jobs was tired from pronouncing the lengthy name a thounsand times at expos... :-) > > Anyway... please let me know if you have any substantive (meaning not silly, > stupid or patently unimaginative) ideas regarding a new name. > > Thanks, GJC > > P.S. I personally like the Gorm name, but I wanted to poll the community > before > the next major version of the application comes out. > > Gregory John Casamento > -- Principal Consultant, Open Logic Corp. (A MD Corp.) > ## Maintainer of Gorm (IB Equiv.) for GNUstep. > -- Saso ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Possible future Gorm name change
Gregory John Casamento writes:
> Anyway... please let me know if you have any substantive (meaning not silly,
> stupid or patently unimaginative) ideas regarding a new name.
Just brainstorming: StepBuilder.
Try one of: {Step, Facade, Window, App, G}x{Builder,Designer, Modeller}
(dolist (f '(Step Facade Window App G))
(dolist (v '(Builder Designer Modeller))
(insert (format "%s%s\n" f v
StepBuilder
StepDesigner
StepModeller
FacadeBuilder
FacadeDesigner
FacadeModeller
WindowBuilder
WindowDesigner
WindowModeller
AppBuilder
AppDesigner
AppModeller
GBuilder
GDesigner
GModeller
The later would give a nice icon:
http://www.camacdonald.com/birding/Scrub-Jay(GT).jpg
http://www.jardi.ca/images/geai.jpg
> P.S. I personally like the Gorm name, but I wanted to poll the community
> before
> the next major version of the application comes out.
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Re: Possible future Gorm name change
GNUstep ain't Cocoa/OSX. I don't see a point in mimicking too many of Apple's ideas. What will be next? Use gSomething (gChat) analogous to iSomething (iChat) ??? Wauw... cool! Nice Idea ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Possible future Gorm name change
On 17 Nov 2005, at 01:38, Gregory John Casamento wrote: Jesse, --- Jesse Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I wanted to take the opportunity now, rather than later, to ask if anyone has any suggestions they would like to make regarding the name of the application. What about AppDesigner? Considering some of the scripting functionality that can be added to an interface now via Nicolas's StepTalk palette, it seems to me that Gorm can be used for much more now that just designing/building interfaces. Gorm could always be used for more than this. :) The StepTalk palette really just takes it one step further and allows you to do the coding in Gorm itself. I, however, wouldn't want to name it based on abilities given to it by a palette which does not come with it by default. I agree ... but I think it would be nice if such palettes *did* come with Gorm by default. Certainly it would be nice to have some sort of scripting and database palettes included (even if only very simple ones) ... it would help to differentiate Gorm from the interface generation tools out there, and show just how/why it is a superior technology. As for the name change ... I'm obviously biased, having picked it in the first place, but I see no reason to change it and don't think any name will please everyone. ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Possible future Gorm name change
On 11/16/05, Gregory John Casamento <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > I have been considering for some time changing Gorm's name to something else. > I believe that some people might find the name a little awkward and some, > particularly on slashdot, commented on it. So? I don't think those idiots (pardon my French) on Slashdot are that important. > In spite of the fact that other Open Source/Free Software apps have odd names, > GIMP being possibly the most glaring example, some people seem to dislike the > Gorm name. I'm not partial to GIMP, sounds like "whimp" but that's the name they chose and that's it. > I wanted to take the opportunity now, rather than later, to ask if anyone has > any suggestions they would like to make regarding the name of the application. > My personal favorite, if the name were to be changed, is InterfaceCreator > since > this goes very well with ProjectCenter. On Cocoa you have PB and IB and on > GNUstep you have PC and IC. :) GNUstep ain't Cocoa/OSX. I don't see a point in mimicking too many of Apple's ideas. What will be next? Use gSomething (gChat) analogous to iSomething (iChat) ??? > Anyway... please let me know if you have any substantive (meaning not silly, > stupid or patently unimaginative) ideas regarding a new name. [...] > P.S. I personally like the Gorm name [...] Keep "Gorm" and if *others* do not like the name *you* prefer, screw them. -- Chris ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Possible future Gorm name change
My 2 cents... On Wednesday, November 16, 2005, at 10:22 PM, Gregory John Casamento wrote: P.S. I personally like the Gorm name, but I wanted to poll the community before the next major version of the application comes out. I wouldn't change it either. Although at the first moment an acronym might not be the best, it is there and we used it a lot, there is even an 1.0 release now, changing the name is just bad. Coherency is a nice thing. -R ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
