Re: Wiki (was Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal)
Hi, Fred Kiefer wrote: with German. The wiki and the web site follow different purposes and use cases. We need both of them but should make sure information is always presented on the most suited system. Duplicated information is bad, as it will most likely be out dated at one of the places. Let us all start to go through the wiki and clean it up more regularly. And if we see information that remains static and is important enough, move it over to towww.gnustep.org. I agree with that. The purpose of the wiki is, that even if it needs registration, to have a large and free contributor base. News of other and related projects are welcome too. Most important news then should tricke to gnustep.org which is anyway more static. The only other way would be an includable php component which automatically pulls in information, but a static section is perhaps cleaner. Riccardo ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Wiki (was Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal)
On Dec 31, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Markus Hitter wrote: > I see the lack of wiki usage. I see outdated infos there, but can't fix > it for the lack of privileges. > It's easy to get privileges. Just send your account name to gnustep-webmasters at gnu.org and we'll give you write access. We do that just to avoid SPAM. signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Wiki (was Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal)
Hi, lots of stuff, I can't reply to this all now. However. The wiki si important. Germán Arias wrote: And, since we have Software Index, we can remove all the apps at wiki. Because this is a duplicated effort. Sorry, no. Most apps have their only place in the wiki (e.g. no proper homepage). The wiki allows for much better documentation and integration. I know it is a duplication, but if, it is needed to be solved differently. The Original goal of Software index would be to something like an app-store, but since you have to install apps usually through a distribution system, it ends up being more a showcase. Riccardo ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Wiki (was Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal)
Am 31.12.2013 06:45, schrieb Germán Arias: > I think the wiki is important, we just need invite people to update > and write. In other way, if we put all at main website, this will be > a lot of work for whichever is the maintainer. And with the time this > will become outdated. Yes, wikis or wiki-like content managers are important. For many projects it's the only way of documentation and, honestly, who searches .info files these days when there's Google/Bing/DuckDuckGo which put you on spot in seconds? > I suggest, remove the news from wiki, and add a main page with some > information about what is available at wiki. Like, for example, GNU > Octave wiki (http://wiki.octave.org/Main_Page) or Emacs wiki > (http://www.emacswiki.org/). I'd suggest the opposite, put the main page into the wiki. This way you have only one web software to maintain and wikis are excellent for displaying news. Just yesterday I stumbled across the Qemu page which has a very nice layout, but is actually a wiki: http://wiki.qemu.org/Main_Page Joining this with Sebastians new design could look awesome. > And, since we have Software Index, we can remove all the apps at > wiki. Because this is a duplicated effort. Remove the software index? Not the indexing part, of course, such stuff can be easily integrated into wiki pages (using "Widgets"). I see the lack of wiki usage. I see outdated infos there, but can't fix it for the lack of privileges. At RepRep, a similarly sized community, we have write access for everybody who creates an account (without moderation) and 14 users with admin privileges. Works very well, including (a custom hacked) spam protection. Single-maintainer web site administration should be a thing of the past, many successful projects (Wikipedia, Ubuntu come to mind) show how it works better. Markus -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. (FH) Markus Hitter http://www.reprap-diy.com/ http://www.jump-ing.de/ ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Wiki (was Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal)
On 31.12.2013 06:45, Germán Arias wrote: > El mar, 31-12-2013 a las 02:09 +0100, Sebastian Reitenbach escribió: >> Hi all, > > [..] > >> >> * maybe trash the wiki.gnustep.org >> * its unmaintainable, contains lots of outdated, >> incorrect and misleading information >> * incorporate important information into the main website >> OR someone (or a team) needs to be willing to review >> it regularly and if necessary clean it up/update outdated >> info there > > I think the wiki is important, we just need invite people to update and > write. In other way, if we put all at main website, this will be a lot > of work for whichever is the maintainer. And with the time this will > become outdated. > > I suggest, remove the news from wiki, and add a main page with some > information about what is available at wiki. Like, for example, GNU > Octave wiki (http://wiki.octave.org/Main_Page) or Emacs wiki > (http://www.emacswiki.org/). > > And, since we have Software Index, we can remove all the apps at wiki. > Because this is a duplicated effort. > > If you are agree, I can help in this way. Even with the recording of > some video tutorials to show some basics examples. And put this at > http://www.mediagoblin.com/ or at http://gobblin.se/ I fully agree with German. The wiki and the web site follow different purposes and use cases. We need both of them but should make sure information is always presented on the most suited system. Duplicated information is bad, as it will most likely be out dated at one of the places. Let us all start to go through the wiki and clean it up more regularly. And if we see information that remains static and is important enough, move it over to to www.gnustep.org. Fred ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Wiki (was Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal)
On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 06:45 CET, Germán Arias wrote: > El mar, 31-12-2013 a las 02:09 +0100, Sebastian Reitenbach escribió: > > Hi all, > > [..] > > > > > * maybe trash the wiki.gnustep.org > > * its unmaintainable, contains lots of outdated, > > incorrect and misleading information > > * incorporate important information into the main website > > OR someone (or a team) needs to be willing to review > > it regularly and if necessary clean it up/update outdated > > info there > > I think the wiki is important, we just need invite people to update and > write. In other way, if we put all at main website, this will be a lot > of work for whichever is the maintainer. And with the time this will > become outdated. > > I suggest, remove the news from wiki, and add a main page with some > information about what is available at wiki. Like, for example, GNU > Octave wiki (http://wiki.octave.org/Main_Page) or Emacs wiki > (http://www.emacswiki.org/). Yeah, I came up with a radical proposal, to get attention, and start a discussion, if there are better ideas, like you have, then I'm all for it. I'm all for it to move the news from the wiki to the main website. Also for the front page of the wiki, I like the idea of having kind of an index, and structure in the pages. > > And, since we have Software Index, we can remove all the apps at wiki. > Because this is a duplicated effort. Yes, all this redundant information is cumbersome to update. When I update i.e. a GAP application, I have to update the GAP site, the softwareindex, and the wiki page. If at least one could go away, that would already be a plus. Further, there are tons of apps listed in the wiki, that point to outdated web pages, etc. If there is any interested in those apps, then we should maybe find them on the web, and import them to GAP before removing those apps pages from the wiki ;) > > If you are agree, I can help in this way. Even with the recording of > some video tutorials to show some basics examples. And put this at > http://www.mediagoblin.com/ or at http://gobblin.se/ I have no idea about how to record videos to show basic examples, but with HTML5, we could just put them on the gnustep.org web site, and include a tag. No need scatter things around the web. So, in short, I agree and would appreciate your help. cheers, Sebastian > > Regards. > Germán. > ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
