Re: [GRN] Once again democracy prevailed in India.

[albert . ro]

Once players accept the rules set for a game, they cannot complain  
later. If all political parties accepted the EVM, then they cannot  
complain. Therefore, the elections were fair and clean. Cheating can  
also occur in traditional ballot-boxes, as years ago on Madeira Island  
(Portugal) where even "dead" people voted.


 Alberto

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Re: [GRN] Once again democracy prevailed in India.

['Pedro Mascarenhas' via Goa-Research-Net]

 
Anyway, in this election, all Indian parties have so far not complained and 
accepted the results. Can anyone point me to a utopian democracy without 
rumours?




Not Indiabut USA, this is not rumor  :

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electors toblock President-elect Joe Biden from taking office faced a 
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battlegroundstates were stuck in the mail.

So, Trumpcampaign operatives scrambled to fly copies of the phony certificates 
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get the documents to then-VicePresident Mike Pence while he presided over the 
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Theoperatives even considered chartering a jet to ensure the files 
reachedWashington, DC, in time for the January 6, 2021, proceeding, according 
toemails and recordings obtained by CNN.

 

 





 
On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 12:04:27 AM GMT+1, Frederick Noronha 
 wrote:  
 
 As far as the EVMs go, they are still suspect, 'black boxes' and no one but a 
small clique knows how the machines work or who (technically) controls these 
machines.
Until the source code is made publicly auditable, and we know who has access to 
these machines and under what conditions (to load candidates' names, symbols 
etc), the EVMs will continue to be suspect.
The Election Commission's obstinate reluctance to be transparent on this is 
incomprehensible. So is the Supreme Court's lack of understanding of how Open 
Source Software works, and the security and easy-correctability this offers.
The debate over the EVMs is far from over, even if political parties tend to 
have a very short term view over this.
FN
On Thu, 6 Jun, 2024, 7:12 pm 'Nuno Cardoso da Silva' via Goa-Research-Net, 
 wrote:

Pedro,  Since you seem to be under the impression that Portuguese people in 
general dislike and discriminate against people from India, I would like to 
remind you that there are almost 35,000 Indian citizens legally living in 
Portugal, as well as nearly 25,000 Nepalese, who are mostly Hindu. Not to 
mention the 20,000 Goans who are Portuguese citizens and live in Portugal. 
There may be occasional manifestations of racism from some idiotic Portuguese 
in respect of those people, but generally speaking we respect them, easily 
associate with them and respect their hard work and contribution to our 
country's prosperity. We know Indian civilization is about 5,000 years old, 
that it is highly developed, and most of us sincerely respect it. The Hindu 
temple in Lisbon is visited by many Portuguese people who would like to know 
more about the Indian culture and civilization. So, please be assured that our 
feelings about India, India's culture, Indian immigrants in Portugal, and 
Portuguese citizens of Indian descent, is most positive. We might have dealt 
better with Goa and Goans before 1961, but I doubt that would have made any 
difference to India's ambition to take over Goa. Best regards Nuno  Sent: 
Thursday, June 06, 2024 at 11:19 AM
From: "'Pedro Mascarenhas' via Goa-Research-Net" 

To: "Goa-Research-Net" 
Subject: Re: [GRN] Once again democracy prevailed in India. Are you saying that 
with the manipulation of EVMs, Modi -NDA- saw his power diminish? And Rahul and 
Viriato gain the MP seats?  Do you, living abroad, know more than Rahul Gandhi 
and Parliament-elect Captain Viriato Fernandes (Goa)? So why didn't they 
protest? I understand the desperation of some abroad. They do not present any 
evidence of cheating. Your class mate Viriato fully believes in Indian 
democracy, which is why he ran for MP and served in the Indian armed forces 
with great pride. India: Fifth largest economy in the world, in addition to 
being a space and nuclear power.Regards On Wednesday, June 5, 2024 at 05:58:56 
PM GMT+1, Joao Paulo Cota  wrote:  The only democratic 
process in India is the election process, where people vote.Even that is 
probably rigged with fiddling of EVM's.After the newly elected members take 
their place, then the system automatically switches from democracy to full 
autocracy, where the big man tells everyone what to do, with zero 
accountability given.One can only guess how much money and power changed hands 
to get Chandrababu to support Modi, a person he completely hates. Good thing 
that a Dempo operative did not win against my ex-Engico class mate in South 
Goa, else it would had been another Adani type rise for the Goan business.The 
world needs India for business but people do laugh behind their back, at the 
nonsense going on there - the sheer corruption at beyond astronomical levels, 
the airports springing up everywhere, the temples, the statues, etc. It is all 
about impressing, a game where the poor get poorer and the planets reached 
increase by the day.Complete 

Re: [GRN] Once again democracy prevailed in India.

[Joao Paulo Cota]

Modi's power diminished as his corrupt party could not fiddle EVM's in 2024 as 
they did in 2019 elections.
The ECI chiefs who left, do you really think they just disappeared out of their 
own free will? Or were they told to leave?
Viriato, myself and the Engico class of 91 have a Facebook page. It is full of 
BJP and RSS guys, hence I have left as I can't stand these fundamentalists - 
they were not like that in 1991. Viriato stood and contested but as Congress.
He did contest and so did Rahul to try save the country from this almighty 
corruption and other scams that the ruling party lives on.
India was a nuclear power before the BJP came to power and the space programs 
too were initiated decades ago, they just did not happened because of the BJP. 
They would had happened if Congress would had been in power in 2019.
It is rather pathetic of people to vote for a party that favours the rich, 
gives them a free reign to loot in the name of progress. Then share the spoils 
with the ruling party, where electoral bonds are a way of blackmailing small 
businesses into financing the party, as well as cancelling investigations to 
those in the opposition who want to join in the club.
It is a bit of a copy-paste of the Putin-Oligarch setup that his mate from the 
north has cemented to stay on in power till he is 6' under.
The web of deceit, corruption, manipulation, etc. by the BJP is beyond anyone's 
imagination.
Hence they had lost a lot of votes this time because the opposition was awake 
and because the SC under the able Dr Justice Chandrachud was watching too and 
put right what was wrong. Possibly too because the youth make up about 25% of 
the population and many are unemployed - which is unacceptable as India has a 
high growth rate.
Who benefits then?
Sadly we have shameful politicians like Chandrababu Naidu who will support an 
enemy, having left the opposition alliance.
The same man who came to London for a meeting when CM and his large entourage 
flew in a lady employee whose only job was to cut an apple into slices and 
serve him at the meeting. This is the sheer level of abuse of power who might 
prefer the BJP way of life than the disciplined Congress way.
Viriato has always been a man with his head on his shoulder and he does not 
tolerate nonsense. He won't defect like these other Congress clowns did at MLA 
level.
Hope the opposition puts this minority government into its tracks on policies 
for the next term.
Elections might be won, but the party is over for the BJP in the next five 
years.

Please read the articles below, Indians and Goans overseas rely on such 
unbiased, independent and ungagged news for information.
If you live in India, then you will be served doctored news, as per the 
directives of the dictator in Delhi.
They thought they could control the ECI but the SC put them in their tracks.



https://thewire.in/government/lok-sabha-election-commission-manipulated-evm-fraud
[https://cdn.thewire.in/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/11193837/tezpur-ec-1200x581.jpg]<https://thewire.in/government/lok-sabha-election-commission-manipulated-evm-fraud>
Was the 2019 Lok Sabha Election Really 
Manipulated?<https://thewire.in/government/lok-sabha-election-commission-manipulated-evm-fraud>
Ashoka University scholar Sabyasachi Das's paper, 'Democratic Backsliding in 
the World’s Largest Democracy,' has led to conversations in some circles and 
outrage in others. But the rot is deeper.
thewire.in

https://thewire.in/government/resignations-of-two-election-commissioners-under-modi-regime-reflect-ecis-decline
[https://cdn.thewire.in/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/13134450/image-1945.png]<https://thewire.in/government/resignations-of-two-election-commissioners-under-modi-regime-reflect-ecis-decline>
Resignations of Two Election Commissioners Under Modi Regime Reflect ECI’s 
Decline<https://thewire.in/government/resignations-of-two-election-commissioners-under-modi-regime-reflect-ecis-decline>
Just a few days before the announcement of the general elections, election 
commissioner Arun Goel resigned. Ashok Lavasa, who was appointed an EC in 2018, 
gave several dissenting notes on the issue of PM Modi and Amit Shah’s alleged 
infringement of the campaigning rules in the 2019 election. He resigned in 
August 2020.
thewire.in


From: 'Pedro Mascarenhas' via Goa-Research-Net 

Sent: 06 June 2024 10:19
To: Goa-Research-Net 
Subject: Re: [GRN] Once again democracy prevailed in India.

Are you saying that with the manipulation of EVMs, Modi -NDA- saw his power 
diminish? And Rahul and Viriato gain the MP seats?

Do you, living abroad, know more than Rahul Gandhi and Parliament-elect Captain 
Viriato Fernandes (Goa)? So why didn't they protest?

I understand the desperation of some abroad. They do not present any evidence 
of cheating.

Your class mate Viriato fully believes in Indian democracy, which is why he ran 
for MP and served in the Indian armed forces

Re: [GRN] Once again democracy prevailed in India.

[Frederick Noronha]

As far as the EVMs go, they are still suspect, 'black boxes' and no one but
a small clique knows how the machines work or who (technically) controls
these machines.

Until the source code is made publicly auditable, and we know who has
access to these machines and under what conditions (to load candidates'
names, symbols etc), the EVMs will continue to be suspect.

The Election Commission's obstinate reluctance to be transparent on this is
incomprehensible. So is the Supreme Court's lack of understanding of how
Open Source Software works, and the security and easy-correctability this
offers.

The debate over the EVMs is far from over, even if political parties tend
to have a very short term view over this.

FN

On Thu, 6 Jun, 2024, 7:12 pm 'Nuno Cardoso da Silva' via Goa-Research-Net, <
goa-research-net@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Pedro,
>
> Since you seem to be under the impression that Portuguese people in
> general dislike and discriminate against people from India, I would like to
> remind you that there are almost 35,000 Indian citizens legally living in
> Portugal, as well as nearly 25,000 Nepalese, who are mostly Hindu. Not to
> mention the 20,000 Goans who are Portuguese citizens and live in Portugal.
> There may be occasional manifestations of racism from some idiotic
> Portuguese in respect of those people, but generally speaking we respect
> them, easily associate with them and respect their hard work and
> contribution to our country's prosperity. We know Indian civilization is
> about 5,000 years old, that it is highly developed, and most of us
> sincerely respect it. The Hindu temple in Lisbon is visited by many
> Portuguese people who would like to know more about the Indian culture and
> civilization. So, please be assured that our feelings about India, India's
> culture, Indian immigrants in Portugal, and Portuguese citizens of Indian
> descent, is most positive. We might have dealt better with Goa and Goans
> before 1961, but I doubt that would have made any difference to India's
> ambition to take over Goa.
>
> Best regards
>
> Nuno
>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 06, 2024 at 11:19 AM
> *From:* "'Pedro Mascarenhas' via Goa-Research-Net" <
> goa-research-net@googlegroups.com>
> *To:* "Goa-Research-Net" 
> *Subject:* Re: [GRN] Once again democracy prevailed in India.
>
> Are you saying that with the manipulation of EVMs, Modi -NDA- saw his
> power diminish? And Rahul and Viriato gain the MP seats?
>
> Do you, living abroad, know more than Rahul Gandhi and Parliament-elect
> Captain Viriato Fernandes (Goa)? So why didn't they protest?
>
> I understand the desperation of some abroad. They do not present any
> evidence of cheating.
>
> Your class mate Viriato fully believes in Indian democracy, which is why
> he ran for MP and served in the Indian armed forces with great pride.
> India: Fifth largest economy in the world, in addition to being a space and
> nuclear power.
> Regards
>
> On Wednesday, June 5, 2024 at 05:58:56 PM GMT+1, Joao Paulo Cota <
> joao_c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> The only democratic process in India is the election process, where people
> vote.
> Even that is probably rigged with fiddling of EVM's.
> After the newly elected members take their place, then the system
> automatically switches from democracy to full autocracy, where the big man
> tells everyone what to do, with zero accountability given.
> One can only guess how much money and power changed hands to get
> Chandrababu to support Modi, a person he completely hates.
> Good thing that a Dempo operative did not win against my ex-Engico class
> mate in South Goa, else it would had been another Adani type rise for the
> Goan business.
> The world needs India for business but people do laugh behind their back,
> at the nonsense going on there - the sheer corruption at beyond
> astronomical levels, the airports springing up everywhere, the temples, the
> statues, etc.
> It is all about impressing, a game where the poor get poorer and the
> planets reached increase by the day.
> Complete disparity on so much, that it is impossible to list.
>
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* 'Pedro Mascarenhas' via Goa-Research-Net <
> goa-research-net@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* 05 June 2024 10:30
> *To:* Goa-Research-Net 
> *Subject:* [GRN] Once again democracy prevailed in India.
>
>
> Once again democracy prevailed in India.
>
> Around 642 million people, more than 10% of the world's population, were
> able to vote after the polls opened in mid-April, with an average turnout
> of around 66% across the seven phases. Lok Sabha election India set a
> world record.
>
> The entire counting process was described as &q

Re: [GRN] Once again democracy prevailed in India.

['Nuno Cardoso da Silva' via Goa-Research-Net]

Pedro, 

 

Since you seem to be under the impression that Portuguese people in general dislike and discriminate against people from India, I would like to remind you that there are almost 35,000 Indian citizens legally living in Portugal, as well as nearly 25,000 Nepalese, who are mostly Hindu. Not to mention the 20,000 Goans who are Portuguese citizens and live in Portugal. There may be occasional manifestations of racism from some idiotic Portuguese in respect of those people, but generally speaking we respect them, easily associate with them and respect their hard work and contribution to our country's prosperity. We know Indian civilization is about 5,000 years old, that it is highly developed, and most of us sincerely respect it. The Hindu temple in Lisbon is visited by many Portuguese people who would like to know more about the Indian culture and civilization. So, please be assured that our feelings about India, India's culture, Indian immigrants in Portugal, and Portuguese citizens of Indian descent, is most positive. We might have dealt better with Goa and Goans before 1961, but I doubt that would have made any difference to India's ambition to take over Goa.

 

Best regards

 

Nuno

 
 

Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2024 at 11:19 AM
From: "'Pedro Mascarenhas' via Goa-Research-Net" 
To: "Goa-Research-Net" 
Subject: Re: [GRN] Once again democracy prevailed in India.



 



Are you saying that with the manipulation of EVMs, Modi -NDA- saw his power diminish? And Rahul and Viriato gain the MP seats? 

 

Do you, living abroad, know more than Rahul Gandhi and Parliament-elect Captain Viriato Fernandes (Goa)? So why didn't they protest?

 

I understand the desperation of some abroad. They do not present any evidence of cheating.

 

Your class mate Viriato fully believes in Indian democracy, which is why he ran for MP and served in the Indian armed forces with great pride. India: Fifth largest economy in the world, in addition to being a space and nuclear power.



Regards

 




On Wednesday, June 5, 2024 at 05:58:56 PM GMT+1, Joao Paulo Cota  wrote:

 

 




The only democratic process in India is the election process, where people vote.

Even that is probably rigged with fiddling of EVM's.

After the newly elected members take their place, then the system automatically switches from democracy to full autocracy, where the big man tells everyone what to do, with zero accountability given.

One can only guess how much money and power changed hands to get Chandrababu to support Modi, a person he completely hates. 

Good thing that a Dempo operative did not win against my ex-Engico class mate in South Goa, else it would had been another Adani type rise for the Goan business.

The world needs India for business but people do laugh behind their back, at the nonsense going on there - the sheer corruption at beyond astronomical levels, the airports springing up everywhere, the temples, the statues, etc. 

It is all about impressing, a game where the poor get poorer and the planets reached increase by the day.

Complete disparity on so much, that it is impossible to list.

 

 

 

 



From: 'Pedro Mascarenhas' via Goa-Research-Net 
Sent: 05 June 2024 10:30
To: Goa-Research-Net 
Subject: [GRN] Once again democracy prevailed in India.

 






Once again democracy prevailed in India. 

Around 642 million people, more than 10% of the world's population, were able to vote after the polls opened in mid-April, with an average turnout of around 66% across the seven phases. Lok Sabha election India set a world record.

The entire counting process was described as "absolutely robust," and all issues raised by multi-party delegations were addressed. 

 

Over 68,000 monitoring teams and 1.5 crore polling and security personnel were involved and over 90% of 495 complaints of Model Code of Conduct violations disposed during elections. 

Some 642 million people cast their vote in the world’s largest election, as swathes of the country was blanketed in searing heat, making people sick and killing dozens.

 

India, the country of 1.4 billion people has become the world’s fastest-growing major economy and a modern global power, making strides in technology and space. Yet, despite these successes, poverty and youth unemployment persist – particularly in rural areas – and the wealth gap has widened.

Goa: Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Shripad Naik won the North Goa Lok Sabha seat for the sixth consecutive term on Tuesday, while Congress-led Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance (INDIA) candidate Viriato Fernandes succeeded in retaining the party’s South Goa parliamentary seat. 

Many watchdogs have categorised India as a "hybrid regime" that is neither a full democracy nor a full autocracy.

 




 
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['Pedro Mascarenhas' via Goa-Research-Net]

 Are you saying that with the manipulation of EVMs, Modi -NDA- saw his power 
diminish? And Rahul and Viriato gain the MP seats? 
Do you, living abroad, know more than Rahul Gandhi and Parliament-elect Captain 
Viriato Fernandes (Goa)? So why didn't they protest?
I understand the desperation of some abroad. They do not present any evidence 
of cheating.
Your class mate Viriato fully believes in Indian democracy, which is why he ran 
for MP and served in the Indian armed forces with great pride. India: Fifth 
largest economy in the world, in addition to being a space and nuclear power.
Regards
On Wednesday, June 5, 2024 at 05:58:56 PM GMT+1, Joao Paulo Cota 
 wrote:  
 
 #yiv824466 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}The only democratic process in 
India is the election process, where people vote.Even that is probably rigged 
with fiddling of EVM's.After the newly elected members take their place, then 
the system automatically switches from democracy to full autocracy, where the 
big man tells everyone what to do, with zero accountability given.One can only 
guess how much money and power changed hands to get Chandrababu to support 
Modi, a person he completely hates. Good thing that a Dempo operative did not 
win against my ex-Engico class mate in South Goa, else it would had been 
another Adani type rise for the Goan business.The world needs India for 
business but people do laugh behind their back, at the nonsense going on there 
- the sheer corruption at beyond astronomical levels, the airports springing up 
everywhere, the temples, the statues, etc. It is all about impressing, a game 
where the poor get poorer and the planets reached increase by the day.Complete 
disparity on so much, that it is impossible to list.


From: 'Pedro Mascarenhas' via Goa-Research-Net 

Sent: 05 June 2024 10:30
To: Goa-Research-Net 
Subject: [GRN] Once again democracy prevailed in India. 
Once again democracy prevailed in India. 

Around 642 million people, more than 10% of the world's population, were able 
to vote after the polls opened in mid-April, with an average turnout of around 
66% across the seven phases. Lok Sabha election India set a world record.

The entire counting process was described as "absolutely robust," and all 
issues raised by multi-party delegations were addressed.


Over 68,000 monitoring teams and 1.5 crore polling and security personnel were 
involved and over 90% of 495 complaints of Model Code of Conduct violations 
disposed during elections. Some 642 million people cast their vote in the 
world’s largest election, as swathes of the country was blanketed in searing 
heat, making people sick and killing dozens.



India, the country of 1.4 billion people has become the world’s fastest-growing 
major economy and a modern global power, making strides in technology and 
space. Yet, despite these successes, poverty and youth unemployment persist – 
particularly in rural areas – and the wealth gap has widened.

Goa: Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Shripad Naik won the North Goa Lok 
Sabha seat for the sixth consecutive term on Tuesday, while Congress-led Indian 
National Developmental Inclusive Alliance (INDIA) candidate Viriato Fernandes 
succeeded in retaining the party’s South Goa parliamentary seat.

Many watchdogs have categorised India as a "hybrid regime" that is neither a 
full democracy nor a full autocracy.

 



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Re: [GRN] Once again democracy prevailed in India.

[Joao Paulo Cota]

The only democratic process in India is the election process, where people vote.
Even that is probably rigged with fiddling of EVM's.
After the newly elected members take their place, then the system automatically 
switches from democracy to full autocracy, where the big man tells everyone 
what to do, with zero accountability given.
One can only guess how much money and power changed hands to get Chandrababu to 
support Modi, a person he completely hates.
Good thing that a Dempo operative did not win against my ex-Engico class mate 
in South Goa, else it would had been another Adani type rise for the Goan 
business.
The world needs India for business but people do laugh behind their back, at 
the nonsense going on there - the sheer corruption at beyond astronomical 
levels, the airports springing up everywhere, the temples, the statues, etc.
It is all about impressing, a game where the poor get poorer and the planets 
reached increase by the day.
Complete disparity on so much, that it is impossible to list.




From: 'Pedro Mascarenhas' via Goa-Research-Net 

Sent: 05 June 2024 10:30
To: Goa-Research-Net 
Subject: [GRN] Once again democracy prevailed in India.


Once again democracy prevailed in India.

Around 642 million people, more than 10% of the world's population, were able 
to vote after the polls opened in mid-April, with an average turnout of around 
66% across the seven phases. Lok Sabha election India set a world record.

The entire counting process was described as "absolutely robust," and all 
issues raised by multi-party delegations were addressed.

Over 68,000 monitoring teams and 1.5 crore polling and security personnel were 
involved and over 90% of 495 complaints of Model Code of Conduct violations 
disposed during elections.
Some 642 million people cast their vote in the world’s largest election, as 
swathes of the country was blanketed in searing heat, making people sick and 
killing dozens.

India, the country of 1.4 billion people has become the world’s fastest-growing 
major economy and a modern global power, making strides in technology and 
space. Yet, despite these successes, poverty and youth unemployment persist – 
particularly in rural areas – and the wealth gap has widened.

Goa: Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Shripad Naik won the North Goa Lok 
Sabha seat for the sixth consecutive term on Tuesday, while Congress-led Indian 
National Developmental Inclusive Alliance (INDIA) candidate Viriato Fernandes 
succeeded in retaining the party’s South Goa parliamentary seat.

Many watchdogs have categorised India as a "hybrid regime" that is neither a 
full democracy nor a full autocracy.




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