Re: Re: correction Re: Off-Line Vote on Moderator Change
I agree to support stevan as moderator and those with descenting view starting a new list or contribute it here Donat Originalnachricht Von: sely maria de souza costa Gesendet: 7 Okt 2008 21:37 -03:00 An: Betreff: Re: correction Re: Off-Line Vote on Moderator Change Dear Stevan, I do sign up together with Heather and Arun, making mine their words. Best wishes, Sely - Mensagem original - De: "Subbiah Arunachalam" Para: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Enviadas: Terça-feira, 7 de Outubro de 2008 18h39min06s (GMT-0300) Auto-Detected Assunto: Re: correction Re: Off-Line Vote on Moderator Change Dear Stevan: I sent a message (to the list) suggesting that you should continue with the good work you are doing and not to worry about the few detractors. But I do not find my name in the list "AGAINST STEPPING DOWN". I repeat we in the developing world are greatly indebted to you for bringing in first much awareness to the idea of open access and second such clarity to every debate that has taken place on this list. I recall your talk and interventions at the two-day meeting I had put together to celebrate the contributions made by Gene Garfield (MSSRF, Chennai, 2000). You were able to come all the way despite having several other meetings close to our own (many of them in distant locations) and made a great impact on the 75 or so people who had assembled from different parts of the world. Again your talk at the Indian Academy of Sciences was largely responsible for the Academy later on adopting open access for all its journals. I do not think it is not good for a moderator of a list also to contribute his/her own views. I fully support the suggestion made by Alma Swan: Those who do not like the way you moderate and want a new moderator may start a new list and leave the rest of us to continue with this list you have run so well for all these years. Arun - Original Message From: Heather Morrison To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Sent: Wednesday, 8 October, 2008 1:08:53 Subject: correction Re: Off-Line Vote on Moderator Change Stevan - you have my full support as moderator. I greatly appreciate your work as an OA advocate, and your moderation of this list. Please count me in as AGAINST STEPPING DOWN. I am also against an off-line vote; those who do not wish to participate, should leave the list. Apologies if an earlier message of mine gave the wrong impression. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail is that of the author alone, and does not represent the opinion or policy of BC Electronic Library Network or Simon Fraser University Library. Heather Morrison, MLIS The Imaginary Journal of Poetic Economics http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.com On 7-Oct-08, at 10:59 AM, Stevan Harnad wrote: > On 7-Oct-08, at 11:09 AM, Sally Morris (Morris Associates) > sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk wrote: > >> As you are aware, my vote is for a change of moderator >> I am happy to tally the votes if you like > > Thank you, Sally. > > Those who wish to vote for or against my stepping down as AmSci > Moderator, please send your votes to Sally Morris: > > sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk > > Those who have already voted online need not vote again. The public > tally is the following. I list the names, because these were public > votes, but in the offline vote to Sally, you may vote anonymously, but > only if you are on the AmSci List, which i will send to Sally. (Votes > in parens () are ambiguous, because it is not clear whether they were > voting for/against my stepping down or for/against other points that > were raised..) > > FOR STEPPING DOWN 3 + (6?): Jean-Claude Guedon, Sally Morris, Charles > Oppenheim, (Zinath Rehana), (Chris Zienlinski), (Andy Powell), > (Bernard Lang), (Heather Morrison), (Nick Evans) > > AGAINST STEPPING DOWN 13 + (2?): Alma Swan,
Re: Off-line Vote
Crisis everywhere these days not only on the market but now even within the OA movement. BioMed Central is bought by Springer and our beloved chairman is criticized! Barbara Kirsop's advise known from political and religious history as not the ultimate one even if it is "normal practice" even todayl. Steven Harnad should step back but of course not remove himself from the list. We need Steven even when he is deadly wrong. Jan barbara kirsop wrote: > Events have overtaken the message I was about to send in the hope of > ending this damaging exchange. I planned to say the following: > > 'This exchange of messages is damaging to the List and to OA itself. I > would like to suggest that those unhappy with any aspect of its operation > merely remove themselves from the List. This is the normal practice.' > > A 'vote' is unnecessary and totally inappropriate. > > Barbara -- De åsikter som framförs här är mina personliga och inte ett uttryck för Göteborgs universitets- biblioteks hållning Opinions expressed here are my own and not that of Göteborgs universitetsbibliotek Jan Szczepanski Förste bibliotekarie Goteborgs universitetsbibliotek Box 222 SE 405 30 Goteborg, SWEDEN Tel: +46 31 7861164 Fax: +46 31 163797 E-mail: jan.szczepan...@ub.gu.se
Re: correction Re: Off-Line Vote on Moderator Change
[ The following text is in the "utf-8" character set. ] [ Your display is set for the "iso-8859-1" character set. ] [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ] Dear Stevan, I do sign up together with Heather and Arun, making mine their words. Best wishes, Sely - Mensagem original - De: "Subbiah Arunachalam" Para: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Enviadas: Terça-feira, 7 de Outubro de 2008 18h39min06s (GMT-0300) Auto-Detected Assunto: Re: correction Re: Off-Line Vote on Moderator Change Dear Stevan: I sent a message (to the list) suggesting that you should continue with the good work you are doing and not to worry about the few detractors. But I do not find my name in the list "AGAINST STEPPING DOWN". I repeat we in the developing world are greatly indebted to you for bringing in first much awareness to the idea of open access and second such clarity to every debate that has taken place on this list. I recall your talk and interventions at the two-day meeting I had put together to celebrate the contributions made by Gene Garfield (MSSRF, Chennai, 2000). You were able to come all the way despite having several other meetings close to our own (many of them in distant locations) and made a great impact on the 75 or so people who had assembled from different parts of the world. Again your talk at the Indian Academy of Sciences was largely responsible for the Academy later on adopting open access for all its journals. I do not think it is not good for a moderator of a list also to contribute his/her own views. I fully support the suggestion made by Alma Swan: Those who do not like the way you moderate and want a new moderator may start a new list and leave the rest of us to continue with this list you have run so well for all these years. Arun - Original Message From: Heather Morrison To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Sent: Wednesday, 8 October, 2008 1:08:53 Subject: correction Re: Off-Line Vote on Moderator Change Stevan - you have my full support as moderator. I greatly appreciate your work as an OA advocate, and your moderation of this list. Please count me in as AGAINST STEPPING DOWN. I am also against an off-line vote; those who do not wish to participate, should leave the list. Apologies if an earlier message of mine gave the wrong impression. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail is that of the author alone, and does not represent the opinion or policy of BC Electronic Library Network or Simon Fraser University Library. Heather Morrison, MLIS The Imaginary Journal of Poetic Economics http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.com On 7-Oct-08, at 10:59 AM, Stevan Harnad wrote: > On 7-Oct-08, at 11:09 AM, Sally Morris (Morris Associates) > sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk wrote: > >> As you are aware, my vote is for a change of moderator >> I am happy to tally the votes if you like > > Thank you, Sally. > > Those who wish to vote for or against my stepping down as AmSci > Moderator, please send your votes to Sally Morris: > > sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk > > Those who have already voted online need not vote again. The public > tally is the following. I list the names, because these were public > votes, but in the offline vote to Sally, you may vote anonymously, but > only if you are on the AmSci List, which i will send to Sally. (Votes > in parens () are ambiguous, because it is not clear whether they were > voting for/against my stepping down or for/against other points that > were raised..) > > FOR STEPPING DOWN 3 + (6?): Jean-Claude Guedon, Sally Morris, Charles > Oppenheim, (Zinath Rehana), (Chris Zienlinski), (Andy Powell), > (Bernard Lang), (Heather Morrison), (Nick Evans) > > AGAINST STEPPING DOWN 13 + (2?): Alma Swan, Tony Hey, Andrew Adams, > Mike Kurtz, Barbara Kirsop, Tom Cochrane, Connie McEowen, Eloy > Rodrigues, Helene Bosc, Michael Eisen, Ana Alice Batista, Peter Suber, > Derek Law, (Bill Hooker), (Constantinescu Nicolaie) > > plus two further offline votes AGAINST STEPPING DOWN (which I will > send to Sally separately). > > Others who wish to vote, please email your vote to Sally directly. > > Stevan Harnad
Re: Off-Line Vote on Moderator Change
Dear Stevan, Just to say that you have my full support. Maria Manuel -- Maria Manuel Borges Faculdade de Letras - Universidade de Coimbra Largo da Porta Férrea 3004-530 Coimbra, Portugal 2008/10/7 Stevan Harnad On 7-Oct-08, at 11:09 AM, Sally Morris (Morris Associates) sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk wrote: > As you are aware, my vote is for a change of moderator > I am happy to tally the votes if you like Thank you, Sally. Those who wish to vote for or against my stepping down as AmSci Moderator, please send your votes to Sally Morris: sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk Those who have already voted online need not vote again. The public tally is the following. I list the names, because these were public votes, but in the offline vote to Sally, you may vote anonymously, but only if you are on the AmSci List, which i will send to Sally. (Votes in parens () are ambiguous, because it is not clear whether they were voting for/against my stepping down or for/against other points that were raised.) FOR STEPPING DOWN 3 + (6?): Jean-Claude Guedon, Sally Morris, Charles Oppenheim, (Zinath Rehana), (Chris Zienlinski), (Andy Powell), (Bernard Lang), (Heather Morrison), (Nick Evans) AGAINST STEPPING DOWN 13 + (2?): Alma Swan, Tony Hey, Andrew Adams, Mike Kurtz, Barbara Kirsop, Tom Cochrane, Connie McEowen, Eloy Rodrigues, Helene Bosc, Michael Eisen, Ana Alice Batista, Peter Suber, Derek Law, (Bill Hooker), (Constantinescu Nicolaie) plus two further offline votes AGAINST STEPPING DOWN (which I will send to Sally separately). Others who wish to vote, please email your vote to Sally directly. Stevan Harnad
Off-line Vote
Events have overtaken the message I was about to send in the hope of ending this damaging exchange. I planned to say the following: 'This exchange of messages is damaging to the List and to OA itself. I would like to suggest that those unhappy with any aspect of its operation merely remove themselves from the List. This is the normal practice.' A 'vote' is unnecessary and totally inappropriate. Barbara
Re: correction Re: Off-Line Vote on Moderator Change
[ The following text is in the "utf-8" character set. ] [ Your display is set for the "iso-8859-1" character set. ] [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ] Dear Stevan: I sent a message (to the list) suggesting that you should continue with the good work you are doing and not to worry about the few detractors. But I do not find my name in the list "AGAINST STEPPING DOWN". I repeat we in the developing world are greatly indebted to you for bringing in first much awareness to the idea of open access and second such clarity to every debate that has taken place on this list. I recall your talk and interventions at the two-day meeting I had put together to celebrate the contributions made by Gene Garfield (MSSRF, Chennai, 2000). You were able to come all the way despite having several other meetings close to our own (many of them in distant locations) and made a great impact on the 75 or so people who had assembled from different parts of the world. Again your talk at the Indian Academy of Sciences was largely responsible for the Academy later on adopting open access for all its journals. I do not think it is not good for a moderator of a list also to contribute his/her own views. I fully support the suggestion made by Alma Swan: Those who do not like the way you moderate and want a new moderator may start a new list and leave the rest of us to continue with this list you have run so well for all these years. Arun - Original Message From: Heather Morrison To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Sent: Wednesday, 8 October, 2008 1:08:53 Subject: correction Re: Off-Line Vote on Moderator Change Stevan - you have my full support as moderator. I greatly appreciate your work as an OA advocate, and your moderation of this list. Please count me in as AGAINST STEPPING DOWN. I am also against an off-line vote; those who do not wish to participate, should leave the list. Apologies if an earlier message of mine gave the wrong impression. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail is that of the author alone, and does not represent the opinion or policy of BC Electronic Library Network or Simon Fraser University Library. Heather Morrison, MLIS The Imaginary Journal of Poetic Economics http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.com On 7-Oct-08, at 10:59 AM, Stevan Harnad wrote: > On 7-Oct-08, at 11:09 AM, Sally Morris (Morris Associates) > sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk wrote: > >> As you are aware, my vote is for a change of moderator >> I am happy to tally the votes if you like > > Thank you, Sally. > > Those who wish to vote for or against my stepping down as AmSci > Moderator, please send your votes to Sally Morris: > > sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk > > Those who have already voted online need not vote again. The public > tally is the following. I list the names, because these were public > votes, but in the offline vote to Sally, you may vote anonymously, but > only if you are on the AmSci List, which i will send to Sally. (Votes > in parens () are ambiguous, because it is not clear whether they were > voting for/against my stepping down or for/against other points that > were raised..) > > FOR STEPPING DOWN 3 + (6?): Jean-Claude Guedon, Sally Morris, Charles > Oppenheim, (Zinath Rehana), (Chris Zienlinski), (Andy Powell), > (Bernard Lang), (Heather Morrison), (Nick Evans) > > AGAINST STEPPING DOWN 13 + (2?): Alma Swan, Tony Hey, Andrew Adams, > Mike Kurtz, Barbara Kirsop, Tom Cochrane, Connie McEowen, Eloy > Rodrigues, Helene Bosc, Michael Eisen, Ana Alice Batista, Peter Suber, > Derek Law, (Bill Hooker), (Constantinescu Nicolaie) > > plus two further offline votes AGAINST STEPPING DOWN (which I will > send to Sally separately). > > Others who wish to vote, please email your vote to Sally directly. > > Stevan Harnad
Re: correction Re: Off-Line Vote on Moderator Change
[ The following text is in the "utf-8" character set. ] [ Your display is set for the "iso-8859-1" character set. ] [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ] Dear Stevan: I sent a message (to the list) suggesting that you should continue with the good work you are doing and not to worry about the few detractors. But I do not find my name in the list "AGAINST STEPPING DOWN". I repeat we in the developing world are greatly indebted to you for bringing in first much awareness to the idea of open access and second such clarity to every debate that has taken place on this list. I recall your talk and interventions at the two-day meeting I had put together to celebrate the contributions made by Gene Garfield (MSSRF, Chennai, 2000). You were able to come all the way despite having several other meetings close to our own (many of them in distant locations) and made a great impact on the 75 or so people who had assembled from different parts of the world. Again your talk at the Indian Academy of Sciences was largely responsible for the Academy later on adopting open access for all its journals. I do not think it is not good for a moderator of a list also to contribute his/her own views. I fully support the suggestion made by Alma Swan: Those who do not like the way you moderate and want a new moderator may start a new list and leave the rest of us to continue with this list you have run so well for all these years. Arun - Original Message From: Heather Morrison To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Sent: Wednesday, 8 October, 2008 1:08:53 Subject: correction Re: Off-Line Vote on Moderator Change Stevan - you have my full support as moderator. I greatly appreciate your work as an OA advocate, and your moderation of this list. Please count me in as AGAINST STEPPING DOWN. I am also against an off-line vote; those who do not wish to participate, should leave the list. Apologies if an earlier message of mine gave the wrong impression. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail is that of the author alone, and does not represent the opinion or policy of BC Electronic Library Network or Simon Fraser University Library. Heather Morrison, MLIS The Imaginary Journal of Poetic Economics http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.com On 7-Oct-08, at 10:59 AM, Stevan Harnad wrote: > On 7-Oct-08, at 11:09 AM, Sally Morris (Morris Associates) > sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk wrote: > >> As you are aware, my vote is for a change of moderator >> I am happy to tally the votes if you like > > Thank you, Sally. > > Those who wish to vote for or against my stepping down as AmSci > Moderator, please send your votes to Sally Morris: > > sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk > > Those who have already voted online need not vote again. The public > tally is the following. I list the names, because these were public > votes, but in the offline vote to Sally, you may vote anonymously, but > only if you are on the AmSci List, which i will send to Sally. (Votes > in parens () are ambiguous, because it is not clear whether they were > voting for/against my stepping down or for/against other points that > were raised..) > > FOR STEPPING DOWN 3 + (6?): Jean-Claude Guedon, Sally Morris, Charles > Oppenheim, (Zinath Rehana), (Chris Zienlinski), (Andy Powell), > (Bernard Lang), (Heather Morrison), (Nick Evans) > > AGAINST STEPPING DOWN 13 + (2?): Alma Swan, Tony Hey, Andrew Adams, > Mike Kurtz, Barbara Kirsop, Tom Cochrane, Connie McEowen, Eloy > Rodrigues, Helene Bosc, Michael Eisen, Ana Alice Batista, Peter Suber, > Derek Law, (Bill Hooker), (Constantinescu Nicolaie) > > plus two further offline votes AGAINST STEPPING DOWN (which I will > send to Sally separately). > > Others who wish to vote, please email your vote to Sally directly. > > Stevan Harnad
Off-Line Vote on Moderator Change
On 7-Oct-08, at 11:09 AM, Sally Morris (Morris Associates) sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk wrote: > As you are aware, my vote is for a change of moderator > I am happy to tally the votes if you like Thank you, Sally. Those who wish to vote for or against my stepping down as AmSci Moderator, please send your votes to Sally Morris: sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk Those who have already voted online need not vote again. The public tally is the following. I list the names, because these were public votes, but in the offline vote to Sally, you may vote anonymously, but only if you are on the AmSci List, which i will send to Sally. (Votes in parens () are ambiguous, because it is not clear whether they were voting for/against my stepping down or for/against other points that were raised.) FOR STEPPING DOWN 3 + (6?): Jean-Claude Guedon, Sally Morris, Charles Oppenheim, (Zinath Rehana), (Chris Zienlinski), (Andy Powell), (Bernard Lang), (Heather Morrison), (Nick Evans) AGAINST STEPPING DOWN 13 + (2?): Alma Swan, Tony Hey, Andrew Adams, Mike Kurtz, Barbara Kirsop, Tom Cochrane, Connie McEowen, Eloy Rodrigues, Helene Bosc, Michael Eisen, Ana Alice Batista, Peter Suber, Derek Law, (Bill Hooker), (Constantinescu Nicolaie) plus two further offline votes AGAINST STEPPING DOWN (which I will send to Sally separately). Others who wish to vote, please email your vote to Sally directly. Stevan Harnad
correction Re: Off-Line Vote on Moderator Change
Stevan - you have my full support as moderator. I greatly appreciate your work as an OA advocate, and your moderation of this list. Please count me in as AGAINST STEPPING DOWN. I am also against an off-line vote; those who do not wish to participate, should leave the list. Apologies if an earlier message of mine gave the wrong impression. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail is that of the author alone, and does not represent the opinion or policy of BC Electronic Library Network or Simon Fraser University Library. Heather Morrison, MLIS The Imaginary Journal of Poetic Economics http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.com On 7-Oct-08, at 10:59 AM, Stevan Harnad wrote: > On 7-Oct-08, at 11:09 AM, Sally Morris (Morris Associates) > sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > As you are aware, my vote is for a change of moderator > > I am happy to tally the votes if you like > > Thank you, Sally. > > Those who wish to vote for or against my stepping down as AmSci > Moderator, please send your votes to Sally Morris: > > sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk > > Those who have already voted online need not vote again. The public > tally is the following. I list the names, because these were public > votes, but in the offline vote to Sally, you may vote anonymously, but > only if you are on the AmSci List, which i will send to Sally. (Votes > in parens () are ambiguous, because it is not clear whether they were > voting for/against my stepping down or for/against other points that > were raised.) > > FOR STEPPING DOWN 3 + (6?): Jean-Claude Guedon, Sally Morris, Charles > Oppenheim, (Zinath Rehana), (Chris Zienlinski), (Andy Powell), > (Bernard Lang), (Heather Morrison), (Nick Evans) > > AGAINST STEPPING DOWN 13 + (2?): Alma Swan, Tony Hey, Andrew Adams, > Mike Kurtz, Barbara Kirsop, Tom Cochrane, Connie McEowen, Eloy > Rodrigues, Helene Bosc, Michael Eisen, Ana Alice Batista, Peter Suber, > Derek Law, (Bill Hooker), (Constantinescu Nicolaie) > > plus two further offline votes AGAINST STEPPING DOWN (which I will > send to Sally separately). > > Others who wish to vote, please email your vote to Sally directly. > > Stevan Harnad
