Re: [Goanet] From Goanet Admin

2002-06-10 Thread Lawrie D'souza

Vivian ,

I owe you a reply but bear with me till I manage to
get my net account sorted out as it means I have to
dig deeper into the archives...



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[Goanet] NEWS: Gujarat has mixed feelings about war

2002-06-10 Thread Frederick Noronha

Gujarat has mixed feelings about war

By Sukrat Desai, Indo-Asian News Service

Ahmedabad, June 10 (IANS) For nearly three months, Gujarat endured sectarian
violence that numbed India for its scale and brutality. But some people here
are still all for a war between India and Pakistan.

But not everyone agrees because they fear it will only cause more deaths and
destruction.

Dilip Trivedi, state general secretary of the rightwing Vishwa Hindu
Parishad (VHP), prefers a military showdown with Pakistan, heedless of the
possibility of a nuclear holocaust and the devastating effect on the
economy.

It's time we stopped the drama of friendship and fought it out, Trivedi
told IANS, wielding Hindu mythology as a weapon.

We Hindus are not frightened of death. According to our theory of
reincarnation, a Hindu never dies. His soul is simply transferred from one
body to another.

Kaushik Mehta, the VHP's spokesman in the state, is also not averse to war.

India should have waged war against Pakistan on December 13 when
Pakistan-sponsored terrorists attacked the Indian Parliament, he said. The
reference was to a terror strike that left nine people dead in the Indian
capital before security forcers shot dead all five gunmen who New Delhi said
were Pakistanis.

Rightwing groups such as the VHP and Bajrang Dal allied to Prime Minister
Atal Bihari Vajpayee's Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) have been blamed for the
sectarian violence that plunged Gujarat into madness starting on February
27.

The violence has left around 950 people dead. Most victims have been
Muslims. Tens of thousands of Muslims also lost their homes and took shelter
in hurriedly set up relief camps all over the state.

The VHP's comments came even as tensions were slowly beginning to abate
between India and Pakistan, which have deployed a million troops along their
long border sparking fears of a war between them.

But the VHP's founder member in Gujarat, K.K. Shastri, strongly opposed war.

As an individual, I strongly stand against war, he said.

The people of Gujarat have not realised the grave dangers of war. Both
India and Pakistan have nuclear warheads. It would not be like the Cold War
between the United States and the former Soviet Union.

While these two former enemies are geographically distant, India and
Pakistan share a border. If war erupts, it is bound to cause widespread
destruction.

More people echoed the anti-war sentiment.

Girish Patel, a lawyer and chairman of Lok Adhikar Sangh, a human rights
organization, reiterated that war would mean death and destruction in both
the countries.

Patel accused the BJP of whipping up war hysteria to deflect people's
attention from its all-round failure and the sectarian violence in the
state.

The BJP has a multi-pronged agenda to create a Hindu nation. The war
hysteria is part of it, Patel said.

Inamul Iraki, one of the organisers of a relief camp for Muslim victims at
Dariakhan Ghummat, wondered if the state was equipped to face a war.

Gujaratis have not experienced the terror of war, he said. A single bomb
explosion can send chills down their spine.

--Indo-Asian News Service

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2002-06-10 Thread goanet-digest


goanet-digest  Monday, June 10 2002  Volume 01 : Number 4063



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In this issue:

Re: [Goanet] From Goanet Admin
[Goanet]  About Goanet Admin
[Goanet] TIMES: Balcony View
[Goanet] NEWS: Gujarat has mixed feelings about war
[Goanet] Calangute weddings in May

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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 23:09:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lawrie D'souza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet] From Goanet Admin

Vivian ,

I owe you a reply but bear with me till I manage to
get my net account sorted out as it means I have to
dig deeper into the archives...



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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 23:58:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ulysses Menezes - GOA-WORLD [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet]  About Goanet Admin

Goanet is an Entity and not a person to have
 attitudes  against Subscribers.
- 
if that is so how come, one of them planned to 
be a memeber of a rival gulf goans list  and
use material from the actual gulf goans mailing
list while the other member of the admin team promoted
it. But if they ask them they will
have their own justified excuses.


 However, Goanet Administration Team changes from
 time to time, 
 perhaps due
 for a change.
- --
What they feel is right should and forcefully
be right for everyone. They enjoy and abuse the
freedom on other Goan mailing list but when it
comes to their own mothership they are so
protective they even go as far as promoting
goanet on other mailing list.


 Moreover, the current Goanet Admin Team is honest
 and very  responsible team
- --
how can I believe that after what they did to me ?
No one will believe it, until it happens to you.


 In my opinion 'Goanet
 Admin Team' will 
 not
 hesitate to publish the account what they have
 collected and spent so 
 far,
 if any Goanetter is interested.
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If your right Cip I do want to see the entire 
advertising accounts published here on GoaNet.
and if they don't Cip I hope you will change
your views about them. Its nice to listen to
a one sided story, its not good to judge people
from a one sided story.


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Subject: [Goanet] TIMES: Balcony View

www.timesofindia.com

Balcony View: Slip between cup and lip

CYRIL D'CUNHA

TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ SUNDAY, JUNE 09, 2002  11:12:47 PM ]

PANAJI: Call it wrong timing or just plain bad luck. Isidore Fernandes,
after he won the Poinguinim seat in the 1999 elections as an Independent,
had to be content with just a chairmanship of a corporation. On the other
hand, another Independent candidate __ Felipe Neri Rodrigues, backed by the
BJP, not only retained his Velim seat this time, but also his ministerial
berth.


Isidore must have fancied his chances of cornering a ministerial chair as he
won on a Congress ticket this time. Unfortunately for him, all went awry as
he ultimately found himself on the other side of the fence when his party
was pipped to the `gaddi' by the BJP. Backing the wrong horse is not always
the prerogative of the race-goer, as Ramakant Khalap, Suresh Parulekar and a
few others found out. For many, though, Lady Luck catapulted them from being
ordinary citizens to the corridors of power.


RAIN WOES

When it rains, roads in Goa turn into rivers. At the receiving end of public
ire, the Panjim municipality pulled its act together this year. It desilted
the drains and built new ones along the sidewalks to prevent the watery
nightmare. It all looked good after the work was done and people hoped that
those perennially flooding roads would be a thing of the past.

It took just the pre-monsoon showers to prove otherwise and the municipality
was left high and dry.

Not only was there knee-deep water, but in many cases, the flood waters
claimed hitherto dry zones. Nature, after all, is one great leveller. Now,
motorists and pedestrians dread the fact that once the monsoon strikes in
full fury, they will have to relive the wet, wet conditions.

But the Panjim municipality is not willing to dishearten its people. So what
if the Rain God does not fall under its jurisdiction, it still has the power
to control the power situation. It has taken up trimming 

[Goanet] NEWS: 100 varieties of mangoes at Indian fest

2002-06-10 Thread Frederick Noronha

Mangoes all the way in Tamil Nadu

From Indo-Asian News Service

Chennai, June 10 (IANS) A little over 100 varieties of mangoes were on
display as south India's biggest mango festival got under way in the Tamil
Nadu town of Krishnagiri.

Tamil Nadu Education Minister M. Thambidurai inaugurated the festival
Sunday.

The All-India Mango Exhibition, as the show is known, is an annual event
that takes place in different parts of India. It showcases mangoes from all
corners of the country.

At a seminar, experts will present papers on India's national fruit. A music
festival has been organised on the occasion.

Authorities at Krishnagari, 400 km west of Chennai, have set up a mango park
for children where all decorations resemble mangoes.

--Indo-Asian News Service


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[Goanet] CANONIZATION OF A GREAT SAINT NAMED PIO

2002-06-10 Thread Mario Rebello

MASSIVE WEEK WILL CULMINATE IN DRAMATIC CANONIZATION OF A GREAT SAINT NAMED 
PIO

It's a massive week ahead, and the high point will be the dramatic, historic 
canonization of Padre Pio -- sure to take his place among the pantheon of 
greatest-ever saints. The largest crowd in the history of canonizations in 
Rome -- between 400,000 and 800,000 -- is expected as wave after wave of 
groups and nationalities parade their banner into St. Peter's Square for the 
climax.

There has not been a mystic of this stature since St. Francis of Assisi, so 
don't be surprised to hear accounts of miracles in and around the 
canonization Sunday. Pray for your own miracle. Pray for this great saint's 
intercession! And pray always for the protection of Rome against terrorism. 
We'll bring you constant reports.

It's a week that has already started with word the Orthodox Patriarch has 
said Mass at a Catholic basilica for the first time in more than 1,000 
years; that a bishop in Holland has approved an apparition know as the Lady 
of All Nations; that Sister Lucia of Fatima's new book contains a 
motherlode of spiritual direction; and that the Pope may be speaking out on 
climate change. We'll have more on these stories as well.

On a down note, it's also a week that will see the U.S. bishops meeting over 
the sexual scandals. It's a crucial meeting, and we believe that bishops 
must take the strictest route to recover credibility. Those who have abused 
children, past or present, should be defrocked and sent to do penance in a 
monastery. A public that sees such action -- a sudden barrage of abusive 
priests sent away -- will be greatly encouraged and relieved and a healing 
process will have started.

The key is going to be for the bishops to take the role of spiritual 
leaders instead of that of a religious government. It is bureaucracy, 
liberalism, and psychology -- which so readily excuse sin -- that threw the 
Church into this fix to begin with.

At the same time, the media should be cautioned that, unless and until there 
are additional major revelations (which may in fact occur), its coverage has 
reached the point of saturation. While we believe evil should be uncovered, 
we are aware, at the same time, that many in the media have a hidden or at 
least subconscious agenda, and that's to damage Catholicism (starting, of 
course, with the priesthood). In truth, the scandal of immorality pervades 
our entire culture, more so outside the Church than inside -- and in large 
part was brought to be by the same media. We'll take a look at phenomena 
like Ozzie Osbourne. And we'll continue to cover the scandal.

But we'll stay focused on Padre Pio, for this will be the most historic 
aspect of the coming week, when all is said and done.

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Re: [Goanet] 09-10 JUNE: GOACOM NEWS CLIPPINGS

2002-06-10 Thread Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha


 ANCIENT CROSS YIELDS SECRETS: An inscription in Persia's Pahlavi language
 on a unique granite cross found by a Pilar Society priest at Dando,
 Agassaim, has been deciphered by an Indian scholar in Rome. The ancient
 cross was noticed on the banks of River Zuari by Fr Cosme Costa. (WE-GT)


It would be good if the English version of the deciphered inscription could
be made known to the general public.

Also, could Joel D'Souza let us know if Fr. Cosme Costa is endeavouring to
discover the remaining part of that Martomite Cross?

Did GoaNetters know that one such cross figured in a 20p. postal stamp
released in India on July 3, 1973 to mark St. Thomas 19th Death Centenary
72 - 1972?

Jorge de Abreu Noronha

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[Goanet] Threats from Gaspar and Ulysses to shut down goanet

2002-06-10 Thread Marlon Menezes

Hi Sonali,

It is very good to hear from you albeit under your phony alias. Would you by any 
chance happen to be related to an Ashok Chodnakar who apparently sabotaged Gaspar 
Almedia's computer on a number of ocassions?

Anyway, to answer your question:  No, goanet is not violating yahoogroups policies. 
For one thing, the mailing list is actually hosted on goacom, not yahoogroups. GOACOM 
offers this service to goanet for free, with no strings attached. Secondly as was 
posted by the goanet-admin team, Goanet/Herman collects advertizing money on goanet to 
support non-commerical activities and promotional activities in Goa. Hence even if 
Goanet were hosted by Yahoogroups, it would not be breaking their rules as goanet is a 
non-commerical entity. If asked by yahoogroups, I expect Herman to be able to provide 
all the necessary documentation/receipts.

Now rather not surpisingly, Ulysses and Gaspar have in private threats raised exactly 
the same issue as you and have threatened to shut down goanet by bringing this issue 
up with yahoogroups. You will be happy to know that goanet will continue to function 
regardless of what they try and do.

If it is anyone who should be worried about violating the rules of yahoogroups, it 
should be them. They have consistently promoted the floral business of their business 
partner in Goa on a number of their mailing lists. Since they and their partner obtain 
clear material and non-material gains through this collaboration, the phrase dont 
throw stones in glass houses comes to mind.

To the rest of the netters:
What we are seeing here is a set up by this junta. One of them willfully breaks the 
rules after apparently having been told several times (in private) to stop promoting 
their business on this mailing list.  Upon removing this person, the rest of the junta 
jumps in by making private threats against goanet. Next, new members we never knew 
we had (such as our beloved Sonali), jump into the fray and repeat the same in public. 
Man, these guys make some of our politicians in Goa look good.

Marlon

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Since you appear to be such a stickler for following the 'rules', why are you in such 
a hurry to flagrantly abuse yahoogroups rules ?

They explicitly say :

10. NO RESALE OF SERVICE 
You agree not to reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, resell or exploit for any 
commercial purposes, any portion of the Service, use of the Service, or access to the 
Service

Would the goa-net admin care to comment on this ?

- Sonali
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[Goanet] Don't start a war, you morons! - There is Nowhere to Hide

2002-06-10 Thread The Goan Forum

[Fool are exactly what they are. Don't know what
rushes to and into their heads but something does. Is
it their ego or is this just hype and sabre rattling.

Those two silly old rivals The Rt. Wingers in India
and Pakistan, please read this article and take your
vacation.

From all indications, this sabre rattling is related
to electoral and political interests in their
respective constituencies. Politicians are drama
experts.

But as in the case of WWF wrestling, NOT everybody
might know that this is only a chess game where a
certain number of lives are sacrificed every now and
again.

Some..nutcase  trigger happy moron might flip and
let go the first strike. That will be the end.

Pull back you foolsPull back.

Don't sacrifice the nation for a tiny piece of real
estate!


TGF

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In nuclear attack, few would find shelter

  
By Paul Watson and Tyler Marshall
LOS ANGELES TIMES

June 8, 2002


New Delhi - With India and Pakistan on the brink of
war over Kashmir, their people face a frightening
reality: If nuclear missiles ever rain down, there is
nowhere to hide. 

Among the 1.2 billion people of the Asian
subcontinent, the only people with any hope of finding
shelter from a nuclear attack are top political and
military leaders and, if regular rules apply, people
with enough money to ease their way into a few
protective bunkers run by the governments.

India's capital, New Delhi, a prime target for what
nuclear strategists call a decapitation strike by
Pakistani missiles, has no air raid sirens, no public
fallout shelters and no known evacuation plan for
almost 13 million residents. Indian officials in local
and national departments responsible for handling
emergencies referred journalists from one office to
another when asked about civil defense planning.

Pakistan's capital, Islamabad, is said to have fallout
shelters for the generals and politicians. In the past
month, Pakistan's interior ministry has run drills for
police, fire and hospital workers, but hasn't educated
the public on how to increase their chances of
surviving a nuclear attack.

Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee and
Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf have said
repeatedly that they don't want a war, certainly not a
nuclear one. But experts warn the two countries have
slipped steadily closer to Armageddon since first
testing nuclear weapons in 1998. 

You can't really say that they're going to have a
nuclear war, of course, said Achin Vanaik, an Indian
scholar and political activist. All you really can
say is that the likelihood of a nuclear conflict in
this part of the world is greater than anywhere else.

Anti-nuclear campaigners such as Vanaik have long
argued that civil defense is a waste of money, and
that the only way to prevent mass death from nuclear
war is to get rid of the weapons. 

India and Pakistan continue to build up their arsenals
and test new missiles to deliver them farther and more
accurately. But the countries' people haven't been
told the most basic precautions such as how prevailing
winds would carry the fallout plume or how iodine
tablets would could help them survive radioactive
poisoning. 

In 1999, New Delhi's government proposed a phased plan
costing more than $240 million to handle the aftermath
of a nuclear attack, which assumed the blast would
create a dead zone with a radius of 14 to 30 miles. 

The plan included emergency medical bunkers, a
disaster alert system, more than 200 protective suits
for emergency workers and 750 decontamination and
first aid kits, The Hindu newspaper reported. But
there is no evidence that plan was ever implemented,
Vanaik said. 

Indian hospitals are notoriously overcrowded and
understaffed, and health care is worse in Pakistan.
There is only one doctor for every 2,337 Indians,
compared with one physician for every 406 Americans. 

According to a 1999 study on the likely effects of a
nuclear attack on Bombay, India's largest city and
commercial hub, the blast, fire and radioactive
fallout from a 15 kiloton explosion would kill between
160,000 and 800,000 people in a population of more
than 16 million and injure several hundred thousand
more. 

These estimates are conservative and there are a
number of reasons to expect that the actual numbers
would be much higher, wrote physicist M.V. Ramana in
his report, Bombing Bombay? He added that the
estimates don't include long-term effects such as
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[Goanet] 11 JUNE: GOACOM NEWS CLIPPINGS

2002-06-10 Thread Joel D'Souza

GOACOM NEWS CLIPPINGS
11 June 2002

SATARKAR FOR SPEADER'S POST: Priol MLA Advocate Vishwas Satarkar of the BJP 
filed his nomination for the post of Speaker of the Goa State Legislative 
Assembly yesterday. The Speaker will be elected on 12 June and the deputy 
Speaker on 14 June. (GT)

HC ADMITS PLEAS AGAINST HIKE IN CONTINGENCY FUND: The Panaji Bench of 
Bombay High Court has admitted a plea challenging the ordinance promulgated 
by the state Governor, Mr Mohammad Fazal, on February 29 enhancing the 
Contingency Fund of the state from Rs.10 crore to Rs.690 crore. (NT)

CHARGE-SHEET AGAINST AGA BROTHERS: Aga brothers of Gokulwadi-Sanquelim, the 
accused in the alleged assault on former Union Minister Shripad Naik have 
been chargesheeted on the charges of attempt to murder. The escort of 
Shirpad Naik, in his complaint said that Irfan Aga (28) and Ayas Aga (2) 
picked up a quarrel after they dashed against the car carrying Shripad at 
Sao Pedro on 16 December 2001. (GT)

GOA, AP SIGN MOU: A Memorandum of Understanding to promote tourism through 
mutual cooperation in Goa and Andhra Pradesh was signed at Hyderabad on 
Friday by the tourism development corporations of both States. (GT)

DOMESTIC TOURIST FIGURES UP: The arrival of domestic tourists for the year 
2002 in Goa has shown an increasing trend. Last year i.e. 2001, the 
tourists visiting Goa were 11.2 lakh as against 9.76 lakh tourists who 
visited in the year 2002, showing an increase of 15 per cent. (GT)

MANOVIKAS ICSE RESULTS: Manovikas English Medium School secures 21 
distinctions, 26 first classes and 9 second classes. It is also proud to 
announce that 47 of the 57 candidates secured distinction in Hindi. (GT)

WORKSHOP FOR BJP WORKERS, MLAS: President of the party's state unit 
Laxmikant Parsekar announced at a press conference at the party head 
quarters that the party has on schedule a three-day training workshop for 
its workers, MLAs include. (H)

…WHO CARES? When asked to react to the presence of charge-sheeted MLAs in 
the cabinet, President of the state BJP, Laximikant Parsekar, said, They 
may not have been charge-sheeted after the elections. The charge-sheets 
must have been filed much before the polls. (H)

PARRIKAR'S LARGESSE ANNOYS PARTYMEN: How is it that Chief Minister Manohar 
Parrikar is so liberal to those from non-BJP groups, who have joined his 
ministry? This question looms large over the corridors of power right from 
the day Parrikar distributed the first lot of portfolios on 4 June. (Edit 
in GT)

WHY GOANS ELECT A HUNG ASSEMBLY: The Goan electorate has shown maturity and 
sagacity. It has discarded the opportunists and habitual defectors, 
wherever options were available to them; but were forced to re-elect the 
same old known devils as they did not want to chase the unknown saints. 
(GT)

LOUTULIM'S DEVELOPMENT: At the Loutulim Gram Sabha meeting on Sunday 
members resolved to develop the open spaces donated to the panchayat as 
well as take up the work of construction of a play ground in the village. (GT)

RENAMING OF ORMUZ ROAD: The PMC yesterday approved the renaming of the 
Ormuz Road (from Cine Nacional to ferry wharf) in Panjim city to TB Cunha 
Road. A demand for the renaming of the road was made by several freedom 
fighters. (H)

MPHIL IN MARINE ZOOLOGY: The Goa University is launching a two-year 
programme in MPhil in Marine Zoology from the current academic year. (GT)

TWINNING OF PANJIM WITH VIGAN: The Panjim Municipal council has in 
principle approved the proposal for the twinning of the city of Panjim with 
the city of Vigan in Philippines, as proposed by the Ambassador of India in 
Manila, Philippines. (H)

FIVE KIDS SUFFER FROM FOOD POISONING: Five minor children residing in the 
slum area near Khareband in Margao were admitted to Hospicio Hospital, 
Margao, due to food poisoning late this evening. (NT)

PALMOLEIN SEIZED AT CURTI: The Legal Metrology (Weights  Measures) 
Department raided a factory at Curti-Ponda and seized Palmolein oil packets 
worth Rs.3.06 lakh sold in violation of the Package Commodities Act. During 
the raid it was found that the rates were charged for 500 ml and mentioned 
400 ml free with this pack thus confusing the consumers. (GT)

SALARIES FOR PANCHAYAT MEMBERS LIKELY: The sarpanchas and panchayat members 
will come on the payroll of State government only in August 2002, according 
to the Director of Panchayats, Mr PM Borkar. (NT)

CARANZALEM BOY MISSING: A 15-year-old boy, Aaron Madeira, has been reported 
missing from his residence in Caranzalem since Sunday afternoon. He is 
believed to have run away from home after being distraught over his school 
results. (H)

NO BUNKING FOR GOVT ENGINEERS: In a sharp note of caution to all engineers 
supervising government projects, PWD Minister, Sudin Dhavalikar, has 
insisted that the presence of a civil engineereither a degree or diploma 
holderis mandatory at the construction sites of the important projects. (H)

DE SOUZA