[Goanet] forces killed innocent civilians not foreign militants
Chittisinghpora controversy: Tests confirm forces killed civilians Press Trust of India Srinagar, July 16: The Central Forensic Science Laboratory, Kolkata, has established that five persons killed by security forces following the Chittisinghpora massacre of Sikhs in 2000 were all local civilians and not foreign militants as claimed by the forces. Chief Minister Farooq Abdullah, who tabled the one-page CFSL report on Tuesday in the state Assembly, said, "It has been clearly established that the deceased were not foreign terrorists as claimed by the forces who led the operations, but they were innocent civilians." = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] TGF strongly protests the Indian Navy's Anjadiva action
The Goan Forum strongly protests this highly insensitive action by the Indian Navy. This, one assumes, is but one fruit of "Liberation" First Dabolim, now Anjadiva !! Thank you very much. TGF Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 6:17 am Access to Anjediva Church to be Blocked Access to Anjediva Church to be Blocked Very soon, if the Indian Navy has its way, Christians wont be able to visit the Anjediva island any more. Construction activity is in progress at the North breakwater starting from Binaga point which will be connected to Anjediva (Anjadip as the navy spells it) Island. = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] when will this maddness stop
BBC[ Up to eight militants disguised as Hindu holy men entered the Qasim Nagar slum area late on Saturday, first throwing grenades and then opening fire. Many of the residents were watching television at the time - India was playing cricket against England. Most of the victims were women and children in this predominantly Hindu community on the outskirts of Jammu in Indian-administered Kashmir.] TGF comment when will this maddness stop = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] In response to Fred Noronha's : Portuguese laws, polygamy etc
From: Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat Jul 13, 2002 1:36 pm
Subject: [Goanet] Portuguese laws, polygamy... and
what the law actually states
[My point is that the law allows for it under certain
conditions; I didn't say I know or knew of anyone who
took or plans to take advantage of the law (as far as
I know, it is still not revoked).
The law *did* permit "simultaneous polygamy" under the
quaintly-named 'Usages and Customs of Gentile Hindus
of Goa' -- see page 156 of 'Family Laws of Goa, Daman
and Diu - Volume I'. Contrary to the widespread
belief, the "uniform" family laws of Goa contain
provisions which are surprisingly un-uniform. They not
only have differing provisions (in some aspects) based
on people's religion, but even based on their caste!
It is another matter that these laws today have a
strong lobby to support them on ideological grounds
('If Muslims can do without polygamy being allowed in
Goa, why can't we enforce a similar law on them across
India') or very strong economic grounds (some can pay
lower taxes on the claim that the husband and wife
have supposedly, or at least in theory, equal
shares to the income and wealth).
Check what Article 3 approved by Vsicount of S.
Januario, Secretary of the State for Naval and
Overseas Affairs assented on December 16, 1880:
However, the marriage contracted by a male Gentile
Hindu by simultaneous polygamy shall not produce civil
effects, *except* in the following cases only:
(i) Absolute absence of issue by the wife of the
previous marriage until she attains the age of 25
years.
(ii) Absolute absence of male issue, the previous wife
having completed 30 years of age, and being of lower
age, ten years having elapsed from the last
pregnancy]
===
Dear Fred,
May I suggest that the Cordigo Civil Portugues of the
Portuguese Civil Code (PCC) was introduced in Goa in
1870 as a tacit acceptance to the prevailing situation
of Polygamy which existed among the Muslims and Hindus
in Old Goa & the Novas Conquistas WAY BEFORE the
Portuguese Colonialists arrived in Goa?
AND THAT your sentence [PANJIM, July 12: Decades back,
it was grounds for legally permitting
polygamy in colonial Goa] is actually misleading.
Why...only'colonial' Goa? IF it was there
BEFORE the Portuguese colonialists and continues (on
the books) AFTER the Portuguese colonialists?
Do read what YOU wrote in the following article
[PORTUGAL HELPED PUSH GOA DOWN REFORM PATH, SAYS
SCHOLAR By Frederick Noronha
PANJIM: Portugal, inspite of getting a bad image as
the colonial ruler, also undertook some welfare
authorities in parts of the Konkan occupied by that
country in past centuries. Historian Dr Fatima da
Silva Gracias, in a research paper presented recently,
says that these welfare activities were promoted
through the State, the Church and social organisations
too.
..Reforms were also implemented to DO AWAY WITH
PRACTICES LIKE sati, child marriages, tonsuring of
widows and POLYGAMY. Albuquerque is credited with
ending sati -- buring in the pyre of the dead husband
-- soon after his conquest of Goa. (CAPS are JC's)]
==
I submit further that IN an environment which paints
everything Catholic and Portuguese as depraved and
decadent, you could have worded your sentence
differently.
you further write:
[On a related issue, in response to JC's criticism of
the Manusmriti, it is perhaps rather easy to criticise
someone else's religion... The fact is that almost all
(all?) forms of religion tend to be, to some degree or
the other, rather anti-woman, and even antiquated by
today's standards.]
I beg to seriously disagree with your above assertion.
While I will normally criticise ANYBODY who
discriminates on the basis of Caste, Religion or
Ethnicity, my response to Subhash was MERELY to point
out the contradictions in Manusmriti as far as the
role of the woman was concerned.
Nothing More..Nothing less!
[Religion at various points of time has been
manipulated to support not just the caste system, but
also racism, slavery and colonialism.]
NO question about that!
[Maybe the biggest challenge before all of us is to
begin by criticising the wrongs in the religion we
ourselves belong to (a more diffficult task!), so that
we overall work to a more humane face for the potent
force called religion. FN]
please visit the following URL (Incomplete as the site
isit attempts to do exactly as you suggest)
http://www.colaco.net/3/VFTB-welcome.htm
good wishes
jc
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[Goanet] Re: Subhash Paradkar, baby, Manu , 30% & Fred's post
Dear Subhash, Namaskar re: the following points in your postings on GoaNet SP1. [Along with modern medicines, it may help, if young couples make occasional trips to these peaceful places to find love and understanding towards each other. With faith, there is a good chance they may improve their chances of bringing a beautiful life on this planet.] I don't know about the "faith" bit, but being left alone does help couples to "find love and understanding towards each other" SP2.[In India, poverty, large families, demand for dowry, demand to have a son to carry family name, ill treatment by husband's relatives, job related stress, physical, verbal abuse are stress causers that lower self-esteem and reduce women to less than human status.] Agree. This situation is not restricted only to women in poorer segments of Indian society. SP2. [Manu Smruti says, "Daughter-in-law should be loved as she is Laxmi of your house. Mother is 100 times more influential in raising children than father, and father is ten times more influential than Guru or Teacher.] And yetthe same Manu Smriti says "Never trust a woman. Never sit alone with a woman even if it may be your mother, she may tempt you. Do not sit alone with your daughter, she may tempt you. Do not sit alone with your sister, she may tempt you." AND "a woman after marriage should be under control of her husband " BTW: Isn't this the same Manu who gave the world the horrible caste system? http://www.colaco.net/1/caste.htm SP3.[Some 30% scientists at NASA are Indians] which NASA are we talking about? SP4. [ Sanskrit being taught at Princeton ] That is the greatness of the Western countries. In the UK, they routinely teach Hindi, Bengali, Urdu and Punjabi.in many counties. Look at how India has suppressed the learning of Urdu and Portuguese. BTW: Fred Noronha wrote the following about infertility [PANJIM, July 12: Decades back, it was grounds for legally permitting polygamy in colonial Goa.] Dear Fred, do you know of ANYBODY who was permitted to be Polygamous because of Infertility. I know that Muslim families in Goa ( as well as in other places ) had/have more than one wife. I'd be surprised that the Portuguese colonialists, officially sanctioned Polygamy or even Bigamy. NOT after what they did to Telo! good wishes jose colaco = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] VHP offers to reconvert Christians
Here is an interesting news item from the Press Trust of India.TGF comment at foot: [VHP offers to reconvert Christians Press Trust of India Ranchi, July 10 Vishwa Hindu Parishad on Tuesday said it would take back the Hindus who were converted to Christianity. "With all respect and humility, the Hindus who were converted to Christianity, will be taken back to our fold if approached," VHP's central secretary Mohan Joshi said here. Claiming that the Christian population had grown from 17 lakh to three crore since Independence, Joshi alleged that Christian missionaries were spreading their wings across the country. He also alleged that the missionaries had targeted Jharkhand tribals to convert them into Christianity.] Statistics is an intersting topic indeed Here are some more (incorporating some of Mr. Joshi's own figures) Total Population India 1947 : 347, 340, 000 i.e. 340 million 2001 : 1029, 991, 145i.e. 1030 million (1 billion) Christian Population 1947 : 2,240,000 i.e. 2 million 2001 : 23689796.335 i.e. 23 million This can be seen as a 10 fold increase or an increase of 21 million Hindu Population 1947 : 282,387,420 i.e. 282 million 2001 : 837,382,800 i.e. 837 million This can be seen as a 3.5 fold increase or an increase of 555 million Please note: BUDDHIST population is not discussed Politicians will use the figure anyway they wish. In other words, If zuze stood for elections in the Independent Republic of Chimbel an secured 5 votes out of a possible 10 in 1999 but received 25 votes out of a possible 11 in 2002. zuze could easily claim a la VHP's Joshi that he received a massive increase in support for his views. Yep! Enough votes for him to Defect in order to provide Stability TGF References to Population demographics http://pmindia.nic.in/1947/eve1947.htm www.indiastat.com/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
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Dear all, Just a short note to say hello from New York. Been to the Goan event at the Maharaja Restaurant. It was an absolute plasure to meet all the fine people. These events help to put a FACE to the e-addresses. After 30+ years...it was good to see, among others, Maureen Sequeira and finally ... George Pinto, Tony Barros, Venantius Pinto, Eric Pinto, Basilo Martins and Allan Deguerra Victor Rangel-Ribeiro was temporarily indisposed and couldn't make it Took some pics.will load them only when we reach home base. We were hoping to meet Wilma & Bambino Martins but have a family function to attend tomorrow... so we will have to leave the peer review for another time! It was a good Goan function. Everybody appeared to enjoy themselves. Congratulations to the organisers. Good night from the East Coast ema and jose colaco = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] goanese or goesa .....tell this to our Goa Journalists...PLEASE!
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:41:08 +0200 (MEST) From: "William Robert Da Silva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Subject: goanese or goesa [Goanese is an English term, used by the Linguistic Survey of India, to begin with and perpetuated later by other linguists and journalists. Portuguese could not have used an English term, could they? If ever, they could have used the term "goesa" from Goa. The spelling of goem is from them for Goa and it stands for Konkani goy (vhoddlem goy, saibachem goy, novem goy)with the nasal placed on "go". There we go, again, With warm regards, William] = Earlier Paulo Colaco Dias had written on: Thu Jun 27, 2002 8:07 am Re: Let's be honest and give due merit to those who deserve it. [Definitely not. What nonsense. "Goanese" is not Portuguese ! So how could it have been used by the Portuguese ?? In Portuguese the word for Goans is: "Goeses" (plural) and "Goes" (singular). Best regards, Paulo.] Well my friendstell that to our Goan Journalists who might be just "oblivious" see this http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/jan/18goa.htm and when you have the time, please review the following article:(especially the foot note) http://www.colaco.net/1/GoaLib20.htm jc for TGF ===== Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Let's be honest and give due merit to those who deserve it.
Jorge de Abreu Noronha wrote attention the Editor of the Heraldo, Goa [ Let's be honest and give due merit to those who deserve it ] The Heraldo!? Jorge!!! Unlikely Besides, do you not believe that Portuguese bashing has been developed into an art form? Problem: If you have power cuts Goa 2002 Slick Answer: Arre! at least you got electricity now. Problem: Poor state of medical facilities in Goa 2002 and Goans are going to Belgaum for medical attention. Slick Answer: Arre! during Portuguese time they were not going? Problem: Marathi is getting more attention and Konkani being short shrifted Slick Answer: Arre! during Portuguese timeetc etc etc Jorge...I submit that it is fashionable to beat up on the Portuguese. Whether it is right or wrong is immaterial (remember Goebell). It is also a convenient escape hatch for inefficiency. You are man of words. I have a question for you. read the following from a Goan journalist: [http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/jan/18goa.htm Goans hate being calling Goanese, a term used by their former Portuguese rulers] Is "Goanese", a term used by their former Portuguese rulers ? jc = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] re: Argentina, Darwin: & So many Indians....but NO AMERINDIANS!
Tim D'Mello & George Pinto make some very interesting observations on the topic at hand. Tim wrote:[What George has quoted is what I was told -systematic eradication of the native population. This is one of the reasons that it is so popular with White South Africans fleeing South Africa - also nazi Germans fleeing post war Germany.] Population demographics is an intriguing topic. The present population of Goans in Goa is dwindling. * Are they being 'systematically eradicated'? * Are they being 'eradicated from the system'? * Are they migrating more than ever before? * Has the Goan death rate in Goa risen above the birth rate? * Are there more non-Goans coming into Goa? like every hour! I submit that we need to look at these factors. Similarly, in Argentina.. the various factors for the increased Mortality among AmerIndians after the arrival of Europeansand before...Arawaks vs Caribs... having been noted Has the total NUMBER of AmerIndians gone down( with the appropriate correction) in Argentinaor is it only the case that the Immigration from Switzerland, Germany, Israel, South Africa, Lebanon and Italyincreased... giving Argentina the demographic percentage of 97% Caucasians and 3% AmerIndians/ Meztizos. BTW: the % Population of AmerIndians in Guyana is similarly ~ 2%. But.the Population of (East) Indian migrants is close to 49% Did the immigrants from India 'systematically eradicate' the AmerIndians? Of course not! Butjust as Tim observed in Argentina, I could say about Guyana or Trinidad or Suriname. Hey.So many Indiansbut NO AMERINDIANS! j.colaco = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Cecil Pinto, Margaret Mascarenhas and censorship
Addendum: modification made to a word in Xantosha Elecar's post to excape the Arcenal filter TGF = Subject: Cecil Pinto, Margaret Mascarenhas and censorship Cecil Pinto in a letter to Margaret Mascarenhas, says [Did I walk away from GoaNet's attempts at muzzling me? No! I fight, and continue to fight this censorship and highhandedness.] reference: FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goa-Goans/message/7171 Dear Cecil, This is a test. TGF just does NOT see The following from TGF on the GoaNet YahooGroups archive. Two possibilities 1. Cyberglitch 2. TGF posts are being censored As TGF does NOT use uncouth language or hurl abuses at anybody, the non appearance of the attached post remains a mystery. In any event, TGF affords GN the benefit of the doubt. It indeed might truly be a Cyberglitch. Let's ascertain Here goes TGF PS: If the said post is present on the GN archive and TGF cannot see itTGF apologizes. PS: am also posting it on GoaNet2!!! Jun 2002 18:02:34 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 50 Chimbel dollars paid to TGF coordinators(:-) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Prejident Panduranga HeleKelekar of Chimbel writes: [This case will be heard in the Supreme Court of Chimbel in the Tambdi Khopti courtroom by the Vodlo Ghaadi Loximon. The hearing is kept tentadendly on next Sunday ... Tentadend! We will send a boilancho gaado to bring Cecil to the Tambdi Khopti, one pilot with a Rajdoot motarcycle to bring Viviana from the airport, and a cyclecar to bring Frederick doublet. (read Daable Xheett) The cost of the transport will have to be borne by Cecil. U.S. $50 are to be paid to the TGF coordinators, so they can pay Rs. 75 to the gaadecar, Rs. 50 to the pilot, and Rs. 25 to the cyclecar. The remaining money will be eaten by the Vodlo Ghaadi Loximon, President Pandurang and the TGF coordinators. Any money that is to be paid to Goanet is separate. No money will be paid to Yahoogroups or Microsoft. Tentadennd! - Press Release from the Dhovi Khopti, Independent Republic of Chimbel] =Opphisial Reply= Opphisial Reply phrom Dhi Gova Phorum in Velim-Baga, the Kingdom of Baba Bambino Martinbab. Dhis iz to Con Phirm that 50 Chimbel dollars have bhin re_sew_ed bhy TGF coordinators. Money promptly depojited into akount phor Shri Herr Mann Singh, the Maharaja of Bosteaonagar. TGF have made won pro-why-joe. Dhis money only to be spent on research into Govan Unity. (Not on any Immunity-Community-Beemunity werks) Govan Unity is thus phar eloosive aka non eggjistent. No sup phort for any try-al bee-al. If money spent on try-al, No money av-hail-abel for eating purr-poses of Vodlo Ghaadi Loximon. Therefore, by decree of Vhodlo Xhett: Xec Meekey Parricar, NO Pilot-Bilot phor any phoren laediz vijiting phor 50 Chimbel dollar trial. 50 Chimbel dollar trial can-sil becomed. Signed zuzebab for de Junta de Commercio Internacional :Sonachandi da mysteria, Kuwate-nagaracho Al-Maida, samko Picaro-Ooly, Fulamcho Suesil, Asoca de Chorao ani Love-ri de preguntas Kongutcar. Junta House Ponnje Tarik: jusht now. Space courtesy of Prejident de India Bhajji Puri House Senhor Shri Leao = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] A message from TGF to Sen. Eduardo Faleiro
If any among us is in direct contact with Sen. Eduardo Faleiro or if Sen. Faleiro is reading this PLEASE NOTE Eduardo Faleiro's computer is sending out Viruses IN THE NAME of others!! Senhor Faleiro, please clean your computer of Viruses thanks jose colaco for TGF [Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Don't start a war, you morons! - There is Nowhere to Hide
[Fool are exactly what they are. Don't know what rushes to and into their heads but something does. Is it their ego or is this just hype and sabre rattling. Those two silly old rivals The Rt. Wingers in India and Pakistan, please read this article and take your vacation. >From all indications, this sabre rattling is related to electoral and political interests in their respective constituencies. Politicians are drama experts. But as in the case of WWF wrestling, NOT everybody might know that this is only a chess game where a certain number of lives are sacrificed every now and again. Some..nutcase & trigger happy moron might flip and let go the first strike. That will be the end. Pull back you foolsPull back. Don't sacrifice the nation for a tiny piece of real estate! TGF = India and Pakistan: Nowhere to Hide In nuclear attack, few would find shelter By Paul Watson and Tyler Marshall LOS ANGELES TIMES June 8, 2002 New Delhi - With India and Pakistan on the brink of war over Kashmir, their people face a frightening reality: If nuclear missiles ever rain down, there is nowhere to hide. Among the 1.2 billion people of the Asian subcontinent, the only people with any hope of finding shelter from a nuclear attack are top political and military leaders and, if regular rules apply, people with enough money to ease their way into a few protective bunkers run by the governments. India's capital, New Delhi, a prime target for what nuclear strategists call a "decapitation strike" by Pakistani missiles, has no air raid sirens, no public fallout shelters and no known evacuation plan for almost 13 million residents. Indian officials in local and national departments responsible for handling emergencies referred journalists from one office to another when asked about civil defense planning. Pakistan's capital, Islamabad, is said to have fallout shelters for the generals and politicians. In the past month, Pakistan's interior ministry has run drills for police, fire and hospital workers, but hasn't educated the public on how to increase their chances of surviving a nuclear attack. Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee and Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf have said repeatedly that they don't want a war, certainly not a nuclear one. But experts warn the two countries have slipped steadily closer to Armageddon since first testing nuclear weapons in 1998. "You can't really say that they're going to have a nuclear war, of course," said Achin Vanaik, an Indian scholar and political activist. "All you really can say is that the likelihood of a nuclear conflict in this part of the world is greater than anywhere else." Anti-nuclear campaigners such as Vanaik have long argued that civil defense is a waste of money, and that the only way to prevent mass death from nuclear war is to get rid of the weapons. India and Pakistan continue to build up their arsenals and test new missiles to deliver them farther and more accurately. But the countries' people haven't been told the most basic precautions such as how prevailing winds would carry the fallout plume or how iodine tablets would could help them survive radioactive poisoning. In 1999, New Delhi's government proposed a phased plan costing more than $240 million to handle the aftermath of a nuclear attack, which assumed the blast would create a "dead zone" with a radius of 14 to 30 miles. The plan included emergency medical bunkers, a disaster alert system, more than 200 protective suits for emergency workers and 750 decontamination and first aid kits, The Hindu newspaper reported. But there is no evidence that plan was ever implemented, Vanaik said. Indian hospitals are notoriously overcrowded and understaffed, and health care is worse in Pakistan. There is only one doctor for every 2,337 Indians, compared with one physician for every 406 Americans. According to a 1999 study on the likely effects of a nuclear attack on Bombay, India's largest city and commercial hub, the blast, fire and radioactive fallout from a 15 kiloton explosion would kill between 160,000 and 800,000 people in a population of more than 16 million and injure several hundred thousand more. "These estimates are conservative and there are a number of reasons to expect that the actual numbers would be much higher," wrote physicist M.V. Ramana in his report, "Bombing Bombay?" He added that the estimates don't include long-term effects such as cancer and birth defects. = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com =
[Goanet] Has anyone been removed from TGF d-list?
Dear all, JC would have stayed out off from any further comment on this present fracas on GoaNet. However, this afternoon, Nassau time, this is what Viviana Coelho posted: [Do you think that no one has ever been removed from any other Goa related group?? Ask Agnelo Gomes or Dr. Jose Colaco or Eddie Fernandes if anyone has ever been removed from their groups, and if those other lists have conditional membership as well.] Just for the record as far as TGF d-list is concerned. The answer is YES. 4 members have thus far been unsubscribed 1. Agnelo Gomes for his attack on GoaNet ( and NOT for his views on Goa visavis India as he has claimed more than once - I have FWD copies with me) 2. Edgar Martins for his repeated attack on GoaNet & Marlon ( Marlon's puerile earlier comment on GoaNet notwithstanding ) [in contravention of TGF's stated policy (at the time) of NO ATTACK on GoaNet or GoaNet Admin] 3. Leo Rebello - at his own challenge to unsubscribe. 4. Milton Rodrigues - for spamming diatribe. In effect, I suppose, it supports Viviana's point. Please abide by GoaNet's rules. All other Goan Lists are enforcing them. At time of posting, Am happy to report that TGF d-list is also ABIDING by Yahoo Rules. BTW: you might be interested to know that TGF has turned down repeated 'advice' from netters ( some no longer on TGF) to unsubscribe other Goans for various reasonse.g. unsubscribe George Pinto for his "anti-views" on the Catholic Church! needless to saywe did NO such thing and dumped that request and others similar to that, on to our ZIP disk! sincerely, jose colaco for TGF d-list = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Hugo de Souza a rare jewel by Dr. Samir Kelekar
Hugo de Souza a rare jewel by Dr. Samir Kelekar edit by Ben Antao, Toronto, Canada Now..on The Goan Forum website at http://www.thegoanforum.com = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Hugo de Souza - a rare jewel by Dr. Samir Kelekar
Subject: Hugo de Souza - a rare jewel by Dr. Samir Kelekar Dear all The above named article has just been uploaded on the TGF website at http://www.thegoanforum.com It is in "NEW".. GOA section If you knew Hugo or of any other Goan stalwart, and wish to pay tribute to that individual, please let us know. tgf_coordinators = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] My dear Uly.........please!
from: jose colaco to ulysses menezes nassau, June 4, 2002 My dear Uly, Over the past several days, I have observed the mail going through. I understand the hurt and the resultant unhappiness. Even so, I have advised all of us, albeit privately, to (please) exercise extreme caution in our actions. Pardon me for writing this publicly. I read your post of today and I request all involved to PLEASE drop the matter. PLEASE! I have a fair idea where this matter is heading. Please Remember that we are all Goans and all human too! Let's leave this now & move ahead. Allow me to state this, once & I will not debate this. It is being posted here, only for the record. Herman Carneiro is the father of this baby called GoaNet. In 1998, as a result of family neglect and the ensuing Malnutrition, GoaNet went into a ~ 9 month period of Coma. Rene Barreto, the good Goaphilus and filius from London requested that we develop a mini-list to keep the links between Goans, open. This is how Goa Link was born. With Marlon Menezes' technical help, GoaLink became a d-list. At the same time, Ulysses was keeping the lines of Goan communication open with GoaMania. JC requested Uly to join forces with Rene & GoaLink, and he did. GoaLink kept the Goan conversation going for 9 months when Goalink was merged with Goanet. After having given Respiratory support and Blood Transfusion while GoaNet stayed in Intensive Care, GoaLink and its founders quietly faded into the background. Their goal having been achieved. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goanet/message/2 So Uly, you understand that Rene and You are the Godparents of this child. You looked after the child when the parents were 'lost'. As Godparents, your job is to continue supporting GoaNet. On a personal note, I have learnt a lot from GoaNet. Ema and I have made a lot of friends courtesy GoaNet and we would like to thank all those who volunteer to keep the conversation going. Let's hold hands and assist each other, jc PS: While JC will not debate this issue any further, do not hesitate to request JC for any material to substantiate the above. Have all possible GoaLink- GoaNet, / GI d-list/ The Goan Forum d-list correspondence on zip and will research it, if required. Butwill not comment in public about this matter again! = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Goa Resumes it's Horse Trading Practices !
Goa Resumes it's Horse Trading Practices ! TGF: November 7, 2000 (any relevance to events of June 2002?) About 500 years ago, Goa the main transshipment port for pilgrims to Mecca and for Arabian horses to the subcontinent. In the early 1980s, the horse traders reappeared. This time however, instead of the trade in those lovely and graceful Arabian horses, the trade was in politicians who crossed floors & political parties, while double-crossing their constituents. [read more] http://www.thegoanforum.com counter points to this and any other article on site are invited jc for TGF = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] do say a small prayer for our dear Alfredo's full recovery
Dear friends on GoaNet and TGF, We all know Alfredo de Mello. He has been a regular contributor to GoaNet and The Goan Forum. Of late, he has been "under the weather" and awfully quiet. At TGF we have tried to retrieve from his vast recollection, as much knowledge we could. We are not even half there. After a couple of CerebroVascular accidents, Alfredo does have problem reading,though mercifully his sight is intact. Please do say a small prayer for him and towards his full recovery. God Bless Ema for TGF = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Last night.... as it rained !......Fri Jun 2, 2000
Dear all, this is a post from 2 years ago. I had written it for The Goan Forum d-list. Wonder if it makes any sense today Your input is invited. good wishes to all jc for TGF = Election Day in Goa is nearing Get your Garlands from EXPRESSIONS - GOA No! NO!Garland NOT your favourite Hypocritus Corruptus Politicus Not at all But Rather...Garland your favourite person en casa(:-) = From: Jose Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> TGF d-list : Date: Fri Jun 2, 2000 3:22 pm Subject: Last night as it rained ! It was past 1am in the morning. I had just got in from seeing a sick little asthmatic child in the hospital. It was pretty late to get home but not unusual. One needs a little time to unwind before one falls asleep. So, I sat in front of this Dell and stared vacantly at the articles from the Goan Newspapers. It was disheartening to read the articles. Perhaps, life in Goa is a wee bit better than this. Perhaps, the newspapers give us the yellow side of life. Perhaps, I should buy some rosy tint for my specs! I thought. At that moment, it started pouring. I went over to the window to have a look. It's a fourth floor apartment. In the faintness of the beachside lights one could see that the seawaves were surfing up. It was getting rough. The rain got heavier and the visibility poorer. The crashing sound of the rain reminded me of the monsoons in Goa. My thoughts went over to Goa and to good people like Aires, Fred, M&M, Tony, Joel, Emiliano, Alexyz, Bosco, RP and my own family members. I wondered how they were doing. Well..I hoped. Did Goans have to travel so far away from home to make a living? Why has Goa become so corrupt and dirty? Why are we so callous about the way we drive, and the way we treat the sick and elderly? Why are Goan Catholics helping to prolong the racist Caste System. Why are Goans finding it so difficult to find good governance? The story I was reading in the Navhind, last, was the unbelieveable Cricket Scam. Oh what a sham ! Is there nothing sacred anymore. besides money? Is Money ALL that matters? And what greed? about 100,000 US dollars per player to FIX a one-day match ? And what about our little Goa? The Portuguese cannot come back - never mind the daydreamers and the saudade for those days of classy functions and cleanliness. Even Governor's rule ( probably the only clean spot in the past 38 years ) cannot come as a long term solution. Who does one turn to? The Congress?, the MGP?, the BJP?, the NCP? They have ALL failed us Goans over and over and over again. It is probably a good idea for us Goans to leave the politicians to their politricks, DO NOT VOTE AT ALL, accept our fate at the mercy of the all-powerful and set up SELF-HELP programs for our people. Never mind the odds...but that might be the way forward. It was close to 3am. The area surrounding the apartment complex was soaking wet. It was wet too. by the window I was standing at. Did some rain come in ? or Was it Tears for my beloved Goa? Jose = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] what is new on The Goan Forum Website
Dear all, Three new posts responses are added to TGF's "Are Goans Liberated " editorial (total now 20 responses) at http://www.colaco.net being updated bur still accessible they are listed below your criticism are welcome jc for TGF === Livia de Abreu Noronha May 24, 2002 "One man's meat is another man's poison", and therefore to some Goa is liberated and to others it is still in bondage. Nitin Singh May 24, 2002 Even if Mr. Prabhudesai doesnt miss an opportunity to slam the Portuguese, we do have TGF here to defend the Portuguese honor! Dont we!?! * Nitin Singh May 25, 2002 Ineffective Indian blockade of Goa, Hippies and a communal harmony that came into being* Both * posts have TGF comments added at foot of posts Coming Soon.Siddis & Religion = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] re: Are Goans Liberated? - 21 articles on TGF
Dear all, The following articles appear on The Goan Forum website re: Are Goans Liberated? TGF is pleased to invite you to criticize the views posted or submit your own views. TGF will publish views ONLY of those who identify themselves It will be good to have a small jpeg pic of the author. [please note that the posting bt PCCHATTER has been bropped as TGF has been unsuccesful in identifying the author] Over the next few months, we expect to update more segments of the site. http://www.thegoanforum.com to make it more reader friendly. good wishes jc for TGF = EXPRESS yourself with FLOWERS From EXPRESSIONS - Panjim, GOA = 1. Are Goans Liberated? February 22, 2002 On December 19, 1961, celebrated in Goa as Liberation Day, huge crowds of Goans came out of their houses. Since then on December 19 of every year, flowery speeches are made by politicians, a parade is held and many celebratory functions are held all over the State. But are Goans truly liberated? 2. THE BIG LET DOWN - a TGF editorial June 18, 2001 While there was general relief that the Salazar era had come to an end, many Goans wondered what the new regime would mean to their own livelihood. To complicate matters, reports began to trickle out of Looting of Goan shops and Raping of Goan women. 3. GOA was to be a NATO base ! Harbans Singh: Mar 19, 2002 The real reason behind decision to liberate Goa perhaps was the intended move of the Portuguese to convert Goa into a NATO Base. 4. It was only a show of strength! Gabriel de Figueiredo: Mar 21, 2002 So it appears that the "Operation Vijay" was all a show and a trial of strength, rather than "liberation". Remember the blockade imposed by Nehru in 1954? India closed the borders and severed all communication (including telephonic and telegraphic) with Goa, Damão & Diu. 5. Dual Citizenship! Harbans Singh: April 1, 2002 Yes! You can have your Dabolim airport free of the Navy ( I wonder if you ever raised such a demand to free it from the Portuguese?) The Goans are very much Indian citizens like any other Indian. Some of them might also be citizens of other nationalities by birth or by domicile. Heard of the concept of Dual Citizenship? 6. Were Goans ever given a choice? NO! Gabriel de Figueiredo: Apr 15, 2002 Dabolim was a civilian airport ever since its inception, upto 19 Dec1961. It, was built by the Portuguese to break the economic blockade imposed on Goa by India, in the early '50s. Were Goans given a choice in the matter? No 7. Goans wanted autonomy! Lino Leitao: Apr 15, 2002 There were Goan intellectuals within and outside of Goa who wanted to secure first an autonomous status for Goa. 8. Thoroughbred Goans Lino Leitão : January 21, 2001 9. True Goans TGF: January 9, 2002 10. Politicians and their Promises Ramesh Anant Dhume: May 14, 2002 Today as we see the prestige of legislative assembly being dragged in the mud, we feel like saying in disgust that the Portuguese governance was far better 11. India: a corrupted democracy Tony Correia-Afonso: May 16, 2002 12. Nehru acted for the best Harbans Singh: Apr 20, 2002 What was un-natural (and it still is!) is that the Portuguese should consider their ex-colonies as part of their own country. Goans, on their own free will have adopted the Indian Constitution and sworn allegiance to it. 13. Atleast Goans look like Indians! Nitin Singh : Apr 21, 2002 Please do not short change the Indian culture. Goan culture also was part of the Indian culture before the arrival of the Portuguese. 14. So then, WHY.the nagging debate? José Colaço : May 3, 2002 Dual citizenship is a sham. No one person can truly be a citizen of two countries. It is worth understanding why an economically stable Goan would opt to give up Indian Nationality and return to Portuguese. 15. The so called Liberation of Goa Imran Farooqui: May 11, 2002 Only a Goan can gauge as to what he has won or lost since the so called Liberation. 16. Why the Debate - a response to JC Harbans Singh: May 11, 2002 Goa had always been a part of India. It is only after the Portuguese occupation a few centuries ago that it came to be considered otherwise. 17. Why the Debate - a response to Harbans Joel Almeida: May 12, 2002 I have not seen a political map of the subcontinent relating to "time immemorial". Where were the boundaries, and which political entity united them? 18. Why the Debate - a response to Harbans TGF: May 13, 2002 Goans must be made to feel as equal members of the Indian family. No appropriately qualified & experienced Goan should be shunted into some subordinate post with a non Goan brought in to LORD over the Goan. 19. TGF! Why do you disagree with my views? Imran Farooqui: May 15, 2002 Ever since the so called Liberation, Goa has achieved nothing but economic decline.
[Goanet] Re: Rauls, neo-Rauls and revisionism
Dear Eddie, Thanks for your thoughts. Allow me to add a few words here. Let me give due where it is due. The following in your post isn't entirely true. EDDIE FERNANDES 1:[Neither GoaNet nor your website are named in the article. Is it too much to expect?] JC 1: The article actually says the following:(http://www.colaco.net/1/siddhi.htm It is my belief that RAUL needs to answer the query put to him This is an area of contention. It is Raul's credibility at stake. We ALL need to know if this chap or chappie is reliable or not! good wishes jc for TGF == http://www.colaco.net/1/siddhi.htm [A] courtesy RAUL in Navhind Times 400 YEARS LATER SIDDHIS STILL KEEP KONKANI CLOSE TO HEART Unidentified author NAVHIND TIMES February 11, 2002 Page 3 Nearly 400 years ago, when the British had abolished slavery, the Africans were brought to Goa by the Portuguese for various types of work, but they left Goa and settled at the Yellapur district in Karwar out of sheer fear of torture from Portuguese. When the Siddhis left Goa they took Konkani language on their tongue, which is still preserved in their community. This was stated by the leader of the Yellapur Siddhi Sanskritik Mand, Mr Mingual Anton Siddhi, who presented a Siddhi dance at the Konkani Sangeet Sammelan, at Fatorda this afternoon. [B]SÉRGIO MASCARENHAS DE ALMEIDA of Fundacao Oriente : courtesy Sergio & NT #3. The conclusion we have to reach is that Mr Siddhi NEVER mentioned the Portuguese in his statements and that, what was written by your Staff Reporter are inferences of HIS OWN MAKING. #5. The question remains: WHY did your Staff Reporter INVENT statements that were not there and try to present history this way? [C] courtesy www.colaco.net I add one more question: WHO is this unidentified writer / journalist from the Navhind Times? Not another "Raul", I hope = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Indian Express: You can come back to your homes only if you...
TGF comment: This is incredible stuff! This couldn't possibly be trueor Is it? ALL this while the violent death toll from the recent events in Gujarat climbs to 905, & Nero + Hero play the sitar. You mean to say that people are still being burn't alive in the year 2002? hmhhh! jc for TGF = courtesy: The Indian Express You can come back to your homes only if you... Drop rape charge, convert to Hinduism... Villagers in Gujarat are setting terms for Muslims to return Milind Ghatwai & Rohit Bhan Vadodara, May 5 CONVERT to Hinduism, shave off your beard, drop your rape charges, dont participate in our functions, let us use your vehicles for free. These are some of the terms being set by Hindu villagers for their Muslim neighbours who fled after the Godhra massacre and now want to return home. - In Randhikpur village of Dahod district, Hindu villagers want rape charges against three persons dropped. A 22-year-old woman alleged she was raped in the nearby Panivella village where she hid after seven of her family were killed. At a meeting on Thursday, Muslims were told that 65 of their families could return if the rape charges were dropped and replaced with minor offences, villager Majid Ali who attended the meeting told The Indian Express. = Courtesy UNI Ahmedabad, May 5 Five people were killed and 50 others injured Sunday in the fresh violence that erupted after people returning to their houses in Behrampur area of Ahmedabad from relief camps were blocked by their neighbours. Two persons were burnt alive in and many were injured in incidents of stabbing and arson. Many shops were set on fire during the clashes. The violence also spilled over to neighbouring Kabadipura in Danilimda and many shops there too were burnt. Curfew was immediately re-imposed there. Curfew was also re-imposed in Shahpur area after mob torched houses. The death toll in the communal violence in the state since February 27, the day coaches of Sabarmati Express were set afire, has risen to 905. = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] O Heraldo's (?) Raul quotes Eddie & Jose re: Dabolim(:-?)
ertised tourism stops in India. Goas Dabolim airport could easily outclass any Third World airport as the very worst!" Last year, the Daily Telegraph (UK) conducted a travel survey, in which readers were asked for their nominations in a number of categories. Results, published in the October 20, 2001 issue of that paper said the "best airport in the world" was Singapores. Dabolim, in Goa, was rated as the worst! Goa has been talking about building a new international airport at Mopa, a remote village in Pernem taluka. But this could be quite some time away, and has also been caught up in some controversy over the choice of siting. Mopas distance has upset the South Goa hotel lobby and also many expats from the southern part of the State who say it would benefit adjoining coastal Maharashtra which is being built up as a touristic beach-destination too more than Goa. AAI, the Airports Authority of India, and other officials have also been recently discussing plans for the renovation of the Dabolim airport, to make the "flow of incoming and outgoing tourists smooth" and increase its passenger handling capacity. Incidentally, out of the 81 airports run in India by the AAI, only 12 are believed to be "financially viable", and Dabolim is among these profitable airports, according to figures released by CIIs Goa unit recently. News reports from the German press recently said that countrys charter airline, Condor, which carries Germans to Goa could transport Indian vacationers on its return flights to Europe "probably very soon". ===== Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] The Goan Forum website update
Dear all, The Goan Forum Website at http://www.colaco.net or http://www.thegoanforum.com is being updated and slowly improved (hopefully) New articles on the website include 1. re: Goaliberation et al Responses to Gabriel de Figueiredo by Lt. Commander(ret) Harbans Singh by Dr. Nitin Singh [photo not yet uploaded] by jose colaco 2. The Great Goan Siddi Controversy 3. Santosh Helekar's POST MARRIAGE STORY - being uploaded at this moment) your views and criticism welcome Please send us a jpeg photograph of yourself if poss BTW: Please remember that you can send a bunch of flowers to a loved one in Goafrom EXPRESSIONS-GOA It's mothers' Day next Sunday!! May 12 good wishes to all jc for TGF = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Hindustan Times : views on 'Gujarat is burning. Gujarat needs help'
Views posted on the Hindustan Times POSTED by THE GOAN FORUMin the interest of Balance. The selected 10 posts indicate some of the views on the Gujarat fiasco. What are your views? jc for TGF Hindustan Times: Gujarat is burning. Gujarat needs help. The social fabric has been destroyed by a spate of communal violence and its economy is in a shambles. Express your feelings about Gujarat's dilemma and send in your suggestions on how peace and properity can return to this state. 1. The barbaric and incessant killing spree using even the electoral rolls to target a particular community is nothing but genocide. The very existence of RSS is built on the edifice of anti-minoritism. Golvakar, the founder of RSS, in his book We our nationhood explicitly says that all the non-Hindus should either adopt Hindu culture or live subservient to Hindus. In short, Muslims have all along been identified as foreigners and thus should be exterminated, is the mood created by the Sangh outfits. The current carnage in Gujarat is in line with this thinking, using the tools of hatred, lies and negative propaganda. All the right thinking persons will denounce the Godhra attack and the subsequent carnage in Gujarat. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. The Gujarat Government and its people are worse than Nazis. Nazis never indulged in killing infants and pregnant women. If I had my way, I would hang the entire Gujarat Cabinet starting with the Governor of Gujarat. I know Narendra Modi is hand in glove with the killers, but what about the Governor? It's disgusting and frustrating to be an Indian Hindu. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. The BJP/RSS/Bajrang Dal are ruining my investments in India. They are hurting business. They have to go and I think the businessmen (who were ironically BJP's biggest supporters) will see to it that the BJP gets wiped out in the elections next year. The BJP dug their own grave in Gujarat. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. During the partition era, Muslim extremists compelled Hindus to leave Pakistan and hundreds of thousands of Hindus also died in the carnage. Damage was done to both sides. But, let's look at the facts after the partition. India has had one of the most aggressive and ambitious affirmative action programs in the world. The results, while far from perfect, have produced many top level Muslim leaders in various capacities in India, and a growth of Muslims as a percentage of total population. But in Pakistan, the Hindu population has decreased from 11per cent in 1947 to around 1 per cent today, as a result of ethnic cleansing. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. Looking at the views of the people around, I am literally shocked. Earlier, I used to be a strong supporter of India. I never used to care about a bunch of goons like the VHP, RSS and the Bajrang Dal. They can only strike in groups and on unarmed people. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. I really wonder what has happened to the moral fibre of India, to public opinion, to the so-called intelligentsia. Why are'nt we seeing more protests in the country? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. I have been in the US for more than 25 years and met and worked with several Hindu Gujratis. With the exception of a few of them, most of them carry communal feelings against Muslims. Indirectly they are responsible for riots in Gujarat by raising funds in US for BJP, RSS and VHP. On one hand they are very soft spoken and put large banners during Eid to attract Muslim customers but privately, they despise Muslims. I think it is time for some honest God-fearing Hindu Gujratis to speak out and stop funding these rascist organizations. Remember all of us have to answer to God for our deeds here on earth. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7. Save and strengthen the hands of Modi, not the country at this moment. Once he becomes stronger, he will make the country stronger also. He is the only one who can make this country real Hindu State after getting rid of the so called minorities. Goodluck our beloved Prime Minister of the future. Vishwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8. It is clear that the Indian English media is filled with pseudo-journalists in the same way as most political parties are filled with pseudo-secularists. It is true for places of higher learning with many pseudo-universities and pseudo-intellectuals. In addition we have pseudo-statisticians on topics like India's development versus say China's. This is exactly the reason India is still among world's poorest countries. Compared to India, China is a real country. The Chinese have settled enough ethnic Chinese in Muslim areas that soon ethnic Chinese will be a majority . But Muslims in China would not dare to do the kind of things Muslims in India do, like the Godhra incident. Number of people killed by the Chinese Government because of their ideology was not suited with state ideology runs into tens of millions. That has never been the cause of concern for foreign investment. China is receiving far m
[Goanet] Sunila on "fairness in reporting"
Sunila Muzawar writes: [If reporting (and by reporting I mean news and views here) was more balanced we would have heard of Godhra before the revenge on Muslims took place. We would have heard of the hundreds and thousands and hundreds of thousands of Hindus being killed in Kashmir EVERY DAY in the name of religion.] Dear Sunila, I agree with the point made (above) by you. I am glad that you used "Fred Noronha & Co" as a generic term to = reporters & not Fred and Joel specifically. I believe (surely, you too) that they and their journo colleagues do a wonderful job from our little Goa despite the challenges that small, far from the centre, places present.. There are all kinds of "skewers" who will skew the news to their own advantage. On a personal level, I do NOT support "skewers". It is impossible for me to support extremists from any religion, country, whatever, especially the ones who see NO wrong that their OWN do but Holler at the top of their voices when a mouse from their political or emotional rival/competitor crosses their path. BTW: those who made noise about the Staines' burning need to be commended for their noise. While those who blamed the Church bombings on the Sangh Parivar, need to apologize for being distinctly prejudicial - automatically thinking that IF any group bombs Christian Churches...it MUST be HINDU. If they haven't apologized yet.there is still time! And.ALL of us need to condemn the ethnic cleansing going on in Kashmir...where both Hindus & Muslims are losing lives. Lives which could have been used productively. I hopeone day...this hate will end, and we will resume our lives with our resolve to do(legally & ethically) the best we can for ourselves and our family. jc for TGF = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] re: Sunila's "Fred Noronha and Co" comment
Sunila Muzawar wrote: [I have no problem with discussing these of course. The problem I believe is that this forum completely ignores the otherside i.e.crimes committed against the majority in India. And due to this imbalance a biased view is perpetrated to the members of this forum.] JC's response: Perpetrated By whom Sunila? Is it possible that 1. The vast majority of members are silent 2. The views expressed reflect what is presently going on 3. If there is something going on, which you know of, you would have let us all know. Sunila:[Let's hope Fred Noronha and Co. will now give us more balanced reporting and news and the rest of us can discuss it at length.] JC's response: The last paragraph from Sunila suggests (I stand corrected if I am wrong) that 'Fred Noronha and Co' are NOT providing fair reporting. (Don't know what "more balanced" means...like..more better, I suppose) In any event...I disagree. Joel in his Goa News mostly reposts what summaries of what the Goa Newspapers say while "Fred Noronha and Co" are, in my opinion, pretty objective. I wonder what makes the reporting from 'Fred Noronha and Co' unbalanced. Perhaps, Sunila will care to advise us. And let us just cut the mustard and say Who are the "majority community" . Hindus? Atheists, Harijans, Dalits?... jc for TGF = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Money Talks ! - a response to Sunila Muzawar
In response to the following from JC: [Somehow, it appears that the more extreme the situations, the more the funds that flow in.] Sunila Muzawar wrote: [E.excuse me but what funds are you talking about ? The Finance Minister has finally admitted that the Gujarat carnage has affected investment and the economy adversely] JC response: There are funds & there are funds. I submit that ALL extremist organizations secure funds best when there is no peace. If anyone believes that extremist groups were NOT involved in the Gujarat carnage, think again. If anyone believes that extremist groups WERE involved in the Gujarat carnage, but that NO funding was involved.. think again! If there was peace, why on earth would some suckers (esp. those living in the US & UK) part with their funds? The suckers need a "crisis" to contribute to. That is why I believe that the extremist organisations ANYWHERE will NOT allow peace to set inif they can help it... If they do...the nerve centres of their funding and power will be removed. After all.Money Talks! and don't we know it.!! [All in all I agree that the Gujarat carnage should be condemned. But I also condemn all the other carnages including the ongoing one in Kashmir, the North-East, Bihar, UP, etc. Can I hope for the same from you ?] I agree with you without reservation. Violence is violence. Carnage is carnage. No matter who commits. It deserves universal condemnation. It certainly has mine. jc for the TGF = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] India being MODIfied!
TGF comment:[ For a country which is known the world
over for its peaceful people (the Partition exception
having been noted), this carnage is absolutely
horrifying.
For years, we have assigned the blame for such
horrible acts (and rightly so) to the British for
Jallianwalla Bagh & the Portuguese for the
Inquisition.
We however stuck our heads in the sand when the
Partition carnage took place. We know now that both
Hindus and Muslim extremists took a very active part
in the butchering of a million people.
With time, the wound appeared to have been healing; it
never really did heal.
The Rt. Wing Hindus (like their counterparts, the
Islamic, Jewish and Christian extremists ) have opened
up the wounds all over again.
Somehow, it appears that the more extreme the
situations, the more the funds that flow in.
This thing in Gujarat is an absolute shame. I hope
some of us are proud of it.
Not Moi!
and what is Papa Doc Atal B. Nero doing while the
Rampant Religious Right are MODIfying the social
fabric of the country?
lets hear!
jc for TGF]
courtesy Tehelka:
Communalism Combat and SAHMAT felt the need to bring
the voices of the survivors of the Gujarat Genocide.
Immediate stoppage of violence, justice and lasting
peace is the message that they carry. We owe it to
those who so brutally lost their lives to ensure that
their voices are heard.
(About 15 kms from Ahmedabad city, Naroda Gaon and
Naroda Patiya have been home to around 1,000 daily
wage earning Muslims. Many of the residents here are
migrants from Karnataka and Maharashtra.)
Witness 1: Witness: Reshma
I witnessed Kausar Bano being brutally raped in the
Javan Nagar Maidan. Her stomach was carved opened, her
baby flung into the fire before she was sexually
abused, cut up and burnt.
The attack was spearheaded from Gopinath society and
Gangotri Society and Gangotir society. Mumtaz Bano was
another victim. Other women who were similarly
brutalized and killed were Ayesha Bibi, Shaheen Bano,
Noorjahan, Najma Begum, Hasan Ali, Zainab Bano,
Noorjahan Alori and Sufia Bano. I also saw Sadiq Salim
Sheikh being killed brutally, his head smashed with an
iron pipe.
Witness 2: Raja Bundubhai (11-years-old)
I saw my mother and sister being stabbed. Then they
sprinkled kerosene on both and burned them alive. I
was so shocked I fell down. When I got up a man hit me
on the chest and on the abdomen.
They even said, "Chop his head off". But an elderly
person in the gorup said, "Do not kill the child."
Though others argued, he told me to run away. He said,
"Bhag ja beta ("Run away, son)." I ran. I still
remember the face of the old man.
Vatwa, Ahmedabad
Vatwa, an area located on the outskirts of Ahmedabad,
saw repeated and prolonged bouts of violence, led
often by the residents of the nearby housing colonies
like Murlidhar Society, Mani Society, Asapalav
Society, Picnic Park Manav Nagar. The attacks were
allegedly led by a resident of Vatwa who is also a
Bajrang Dal leader - Haresh Patel. Patel was ably
supported by the police. Nawapura-Kabrastan, a basti
of 300 houses, was completely gutted by mobs that
attacked all day and night. The attack came from the
residents of Aspalav, Picnic Park, Manav Nagar housing
colonies. There were many person from the Waghari
community involved in the attacks.
All Muslim homes were burnt donw in the following
localities: Bachubhai Kua (70-80 houses), Bismillah
Nagar (60 house), Darbar Khetar (70-80 houses),
Syedwadi (150 houses), Azim Park (100 houses);
Muchadipir (9 houses); Roshni Raos (105 houses).
Visnagar, Mehsana district
Witness 3: Pathan Arif Khan Yakub Khan (13)
Witness 4: Noorjehan Yakoob Khan (11)
My father, mother, Dadi were all cut up and burned. It
was 28th of February. We were all in the house. When
the mob attacked, my father managed to get me and
Noorjehan and me out of the house and force us the run
ahead. My mother was left inside. My father forced us
to run ahead. But they caught him. They asked him to
say 'Jai Sri Ram.' He refused. In front of my eyes,
they cut him up and burned him. When I returned to the
house I found a heap of persons killed. (Uncle Yusuf
Khan Pathan: Totally eleven members of our families
brutally lossed their lives.
courtesy:
http://www.tehelka.com/channels/currentaffairs/2002/apr/26/ca042602commun2.htm
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[Goanet] The value of bush medicine
Santosh Helekar [Not if you count the careful and caring application of cowdung on the freshly cut umbilical cord of an infant. Those who have encountered this seemingly harmless act of healing have more often than not found out that the curative powers of cowdung, if any, are well masked by its smell and its potential to produce tetanus.] Hundreds of thousands of little Indian kids used to die every year feom neonatal tetanus from this total ignorance. How about that little "ayurvedic" branch that is still being used to "expel" a pregnancy - ONLY to perforate the Uterus? There is some benefit from our home remedies. No doubt about it. But in general, African bush medicine & Indian Ayurveda is a infinitely less purifies form of Allopathic medicine. Not to say that Allopathic Medicines do not have side effects. They do...but much less that the bush. There is a disease called VOD(veno-occlusive disease) which occurs quite commonly after the consumption of these "bushes". BTW: attention Rt. Wingers - NOT talking about your guy!take it easy jc for TGF = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] attention OIB & Eddie deSa
Attention Other Indian Bookshop and Eddie DeSa Eddie DeSa's computer is apparently sending out A virus ostensibly from OIB! Please do the needful. TGF has tried to contact Mr. deSa in an effort to get him to correct the situation. But...this effort has thus far been unsuccessful jc for TGF rtn address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from 194.73.242.3 (EHLO wmpmta01-app.mail-store.com) (194.73.242.3) by mta597.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2002 08:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Iuifqr ([62.7.135.180]) by wmpmta01-app.mail-store.com (InterMail vM.5.01.02.00 201-253-122-103-101-20001108) with SMTP id <20020423155304.KDX13329.wmpmta01-app.mail-store.com@Iuifqr> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:53:04 +0100 From: "OIB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Garden of Eden = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] re: Ancestral remedies & Santosh
Santosh Helekar wrote: [It would be such a pleasure to read a compilation of Goan folk remedies.] Dear Santosh, do you remember a "treatment" for childhood asthma which as doing its rounds in Goai.e. The hapless child was made to drink blood of a chameleon? Present information suggests that most of these children were "cured" of their asthma. Unfortunately (for Goa), they were converted into Goan Politicians. Marlon [My favorite home remedy however had to be what my aunt called "massad". It was a concoction of egg yolk, sugar and brandy. I guess it is some kind of egg nog and was supposedly very good for colds, which strangely enough, I suffered a lot of.] In Poona nee Pune, a number of Maharashtrian women would prepare Marlon's concoction aka Egg Filip because the "doctor said it was good for their strength & immunity'. Somehow, this secret information travelled to the pubs of Eire and the UK. Interesting though; Marlon notes that he "suffered a lot".Explains a few things (:-) SMILEY! SMILEY! Pat de Sousa [His was a breech presentation, and they didn't want the father to know because he disapproved of it.] UMHHH? ? ? jc for TGF = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Response to a recent Heraldo ?editorial
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 06:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Response to a recent Heraldo ?editorial To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Jose Colaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Swami Goananda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> fwd: [One can understand the reaction of Sergio Mascarenhas de Almeida though it is not corroborated by historical facts as he must have felt his duty to defend his countrymen but one fails to understand the fulminations the of Jose Colaco. Though the slavery was abolished long back the Portuguese have been successful in enslaving the minds of many people like Colaco!] http://www.oherald.com/Editorials/column.htm#1 == response from jose colaco=== Dear Heraldo Editor, This is in response to the delightfully written article by SHRIKANT Y RAMANI in 10 April 2002 issue of The Heraldo. I will take his intriguing references to me as compliments. In return, may I say that his post reminded me of my own jesuit school training in research presentations. Since the original set of articles were published in The Navhind Times, it is possible that Heraldo readers may not have seen them. I summarize them herewith for their attention. They can decide for themselves. The articles are available in their entirety on The Goan Forum website at www.colaco.net. As my original article states quite clearly, The Portuguese were the first known European slave traders from the West African coast. There is enough evidence to conclude that slavery was not invented by the Portuguese, it existed in India for thousands of years before the Portuguese set foot in India. The Sasan Gir Sanctuary in Gujarat has a village of Siddhis who are known to have either travelled with a set of Ethiopian princes or brought from Africa by the princes of Junagadh. So, please, let us not give credit to the Portuguese when they do not deserve it. May I say that I strongly disagree with Mr. Ramani's statement that African Slavery started around 1510. He may also wish to note that the majority of Siddhis are Muslim. I am pleased that Mr. Ramani accepts that the words Nearly- 400 years ago, when the British had abolished slavery are incorrect. That was the thrust of my argument. I further contend that a lot more has to be done before it can be said that the ANYBODY has abolished slavery, especially when one looks at economic servititude. Response may also be warranted to the following from SÉRGIO MASCARENHAS DE ALMEIDA of Fundacao Oriente : #3. The conclusion we have to reach is that Mr Siddhi never mentioned the Portuguese in his statements and that, what was written by your Staff Reporter are inferences of his own making. #5. The question remains: why did your Staff Reporter invent statements that were not there and try to present history this way? I add one more question: WHO is this unidentified writer / journalist from the Navhind Times? Not another "Raul", I hope Good wishes as always. jose colaco April 18, 2001 excerpts: NAVHIND TIMES 11:Feb:2002 Page 3 Unidentified writer wrote the following: 1. Nearly 400 years ago, when the British had abolished slavery, the Africans were brought to Goa by the Portuguese for various types of work 2. They left Goa and settled at the Yellapur district in Karwar out of sheer fear of torture from Portuguese...This was stated by the leader of the Yellapur Siddhi Sanskritik Mand, Mr Mingual Anton Siddhi SÉRGIO MASCARENHAS DE ALMEIDA of Fundacao Oriente wrote the following: Navhind Times of 14:Feb:2002 1compare yours Staff Reporter's article with one published in another Goan newspaper, the named journalist quotes Mr Mingual Siddhi in a proper way by reproducing Mr Siddhi's statements within inverted comas. 2. according to the other newspaper, there's no mention to the Portuguese (or the British for that matter) in Mr Siddhi declarations. 3. The conclusion we have to reach is that Mr Siddhi never mentioned the Portuguese in his statements and that, what was written by your Staff Reporter are inferences of his own making. 4. The Africa to India slave trade existed before the arrival of the Portuguese and continued after it (Since Goa was in Muslim hands before its conquest by Afonso de Albuquerque) 5. The question remains: why did your Staff Reporter invent statements that were not there and try to present history this way? 6. By behaving this way, your Staff Reporter does betray everything good journalism stands for. on Thu 14:Feb:2002, GABRIEL de FIGUEIREDO opined as follows: 1. re: 400 YEARS LATER SIDDHIS STILL KEEP KONKANI CLOSE TO HEART. article by ? in the Goa Navhind Times : The above article seems to be a mischievous bit of journalism, aimed at belittling the good works the Portuguese left behind. JOSE COLACO wrote to GABRIEL de FIGUEIREDO on Thu 14:Feb:2002 Navhind Times 1. I am not so sure if this is Mischief or plain Ignorance on the part of this so-call
[Goanet] Expressions and Goa Today
Dear all, During our recent trip to Goa, we had the pleasure of meeting so many nice people. So, we decided to sat Thank You to them with Flowers. We sent an e-mail to Cecil Pinto of EXPRESSIONS. Mission was accomplished within 24 hours of msg. Add another 24 hours and we even got digital jpeg confirmation that the flowers were delivered. All we can say to EXPRESSIONS..well done. Your personal touch and efficiency has even outclassed e-commerce. Your technology might be 17th century (according to one expert) but your service is definitely 21st Century. Flowers do bring smiles to the faces of those who receive them. After all the brickbats we throw each other, perhaps we should try sending out flowers. regarding our position on the Goa Today / Goa Com matter...this is our position: please see PASSAGE TO GOA on htp://www.colaco.net [Some of the CyberGoans we met Well known Goan journalist, Fred Noronha was the first to make contact. It was a pleasure to meet Fred. There were many things I wanted to ask Fred, and I did. At the end of it, I was happy to reinforce my original impression of Fred. Fred Noronha is one from a rare breed of ndividuals. He is extremely hard working, frightfully honest, loyal to his friends, shrewd, very helpful and a very pleasant person indeed. Let alone journalists, there are few of Fred's kind around. How Fred manages to produce such an amount of material given the rigors of Goan life and the speed or lack of it, of Goan Internet connections, beats me. It is often said that if you want something done, ask a busy person to get it done. Fred Noronha proves that saying right. After a few polite feelers, the topic of the various D-lists came up. Goa Net, TGF 's own d-list (Goa-Goans) & Goancauses. It is now generally accepted that ALL the Goans d-lists help keep the dialogue about Goa going, and the information flowing. Looks like there is some healthy competition going on; and that is good. Monopolies are never good for anyone or anything !! That the coordinators/voluteers of two different d-lists(Fred & JC) could meet with each other so cordially and discuss matters with such openness is a good sign; indicating that we are all able (if we try) to work together despite our different lives, careers and enterprises. The Goa Today topic inevitable cropped up. It is my firm belief that GoaCom, never mind the business pressures after moving into the new premises et al, should have had better sense than NOT talking things over with Uly Menezes and Gaspar Almeida of Goa World.net BEFORE taking over the e-publication of Goa Today which Goa World was hosting gratis. Uly & Gaspar are two of the most altruistic and helpful Goans one will ever find. Everyone is fully able to understand that businesses have the right to choose and to compete to the point of "grab", but this action of GoaCom can only be seen as a "stab in the back" of Uly Menezes and Gaspar Almeida ..especially that of Uly Menezes. There was a pleasant surprise in stock for us..] (please see article for the rest) jc for TGF This is our last contribution on this Contra tu between GoaCom & GoaWorld. Once again, we commend both entities for the work they BOTH do and WISH to God that they would just LET BYGONES be BYGONES. Perhaps...what we cannot cure...we may learn to live withpeacefully. = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] New ! On The Goan Forum website
NEW! On The Goan Forum website Harbans Singh: I wonder if you ever raised such a demand to free it (Dabolim) of the Portuguese? Gabriel de Figueiredo's response Lino Leitao's comment http://www.thegoanforum.com / http://www.colaco.net jc for TGF = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Point proven indeed! dear Cecil Pinto & Thank you for the clarification
>From Cecil Pinto 1) Ema Souza-Colaco questioned my 'description' of Viviana Coelho. Let me state that I have exchanged personal e-mail with Mrs. Coelho since many months back. Mrs. Coelho struck me as a wonderfully delightful person. And she speaks even better than she writes. I have only HER OWN description of herself to use as a reference. Below are some quotes from Mrs. Coelho's e-mails to me. ---Mrs. Viviana Coelho describing herself 19th Jan 2002 "I look like my grandmother" 29th Jan 2002 *"You know the type, short, fat, round, smiling face, etc." 1st Feb 2002 "I'm first generation (immigrant), not second generation." 23rd March "I'm a GRANDMOTHERLY TYPE" 4th April 2002 "and I'm short, fat and ugly" - Point proven. I hope! I hope Ema Souza-Colaco, and whoever else took offense, will understand. Dear Cecil Pinto, Thank you very much for the detailed clarification. You are not only a humourous person but also a very gracious one. all the best to you and your young family Ema ===== Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] My dear Vivian.............in fairness to Cecil & Uly
Dear all, In fairness to Cecil & Uly, I will share an email I sent to Viviana Coelho 12 hours ago jc for TGF --- viviana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [Jose, you and Ema are .. DELETED AS IS PRIVATE] My dear Vivian, Ema was holding for me while I had an absolutely busy life with sick kiddies. I read her posts late last pm. For a normally quiet person, does she come across sharp or what?. Ema noted this am how very few Goans, including women, had the appropriateness to question Cecil out in the open. She says that she thought about it for a wee bit and decided to DO THE RIGHT THING. I don't think that it was anything extraordinary. We have done it the past. We will do it again. No need to thank us for it. We do note however, the silence of our "friends" when we are attacked personally for our views! Talking about friendsI hope you know that Cecil and I are good friends. That did not stop Ema from saying what she had to say. I note now this unfortunate comment by Marlon on Uly. Let me see how Viviana reacts to that! ratherif she reacts to it at all! good wishes jc From: Marlon Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 8:52 am Subject: Re: [Goanet] Unofficial GoaNet FAQ - Initial draft Please note that the real reason Ulysses quit the goanet admin team was because of his preference for individuals of the same gender. While there is nothing wrong with this, it was nonetheless a violation of the above guidline. Must be something to do with people having greek names :) = The Goan Forum Website http://www.colaco.net/ = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Articles on TGF re: the Catholic Church's recent troubles
3 new articles on the above topic posted on TGF's website at http://www.colaco.net your comments are invited The articles are as follows 1. The Catholic Church in a lurch! Breaking the Silence - ema and jose colaco 2. Reaction - Lt. Commander Harbans Singh 3. Dear Catholic laity, please don't bury your heads in the sand about this Pedophilia scandal - Bambino Martins BTW: TGF is working on a new story TWO HERITAGE BUILDINGS in Panjim are slated to be torn down. Will provide you with further details as soon as we have confirmed all elements of the story. Dr. Nandkumar Kamat, Fred Noronha, Cecil Lobo, Floriano Lobo & Dr. Aureliano Lobocould we have some input please!! Thanks jc for TGF = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] re: FN on Cecil Pinto's post
From: Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 7:19 am [Let's assume the rest of Cecil Pinto's is funny (well written, no doubt) and penned without any urge to settle old scores and inter-website rivalry.] Dear Fred, There is nothing to assume about the "rest of Cecil Pinto's" post being funny. It IS, without question, a very funny post (minus the Vivian segment)! FN:[But I'd like to register my protest about the reference to Tariq Siddiqui. I guess even writing in a lighter vein does not offer a carte blanche to make bigoted insinuations about people based on accidents of birth. In the US, something like this might be called racism.] In the US, I submit that you would have to prove that the Dawood in Cecil's post is the identical one YOU are refering to, and NOT the guy who manufactures high quality shoes. [The media has been working hard at building up bias. Keep on posting, we need your voice on this forum. FN] I absolutely and unequivocally disagree that Cecil has made any 'religiously motivated bigoted statement' in his FAQ post. I agree 100% with Mr. Fernandes' statement. This contratu you guys are having, is not about ideas, it is something personal. I wish you guys would call each other and put an end to this. I believe that we can ALL work together. I sincerely do. good wishes jc possible "inventor" of the phrase JUST SAY NO TO CRACK!! welcomer of FLAMES -- From: "Paganini Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 4:09 pm [I wonder which is greater, giving vent to one's emotions or exercising control! Let's work to build GOA together.] --- Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:05:12 +0530 From: Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Question: Who is Tariq Siddiqui ? Answer: Tariq Siddiqui is based in Dubai and is a henchman of Dawood. He is planning to change his name to Cat Stevens and then give his old name out on rent.] = The Goan Forum Website http://www.colaco.net/ = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] THE CATHOLIC CHURCH in a LURCH - breaking the silence.
Hello all I have just uploaded a preview version of THE CATHOLIC CHURCH in a LURCH. No graphic images yet. That Joe will have to handle when he has the time. the article is at http://www.colaco.net your comments, critique and corrections welcome. Will acknowledge any comments used. thank you very much ema This is the preface: Preface: We are both Roman Catholics by choice. This present sexual scandal involving the Church has not only shocked us, it has also angered us. We do not intend to change our practice of Catholicism because of the awful dalliances of some deviant members of the clergy. However, we intend to speak out against these unscrupulous individuals who have not only violated our trust but also the lives of the unsuspecting many who were entrusted in their care. These predators are a menace, and those in the hierarchy who covered up for the predators unworthy of high office. These predatory animals and their protectors have effectively slapped the faces of millions of hard working and devout Roman Catholic priests and nuns who continue to make extraordinary sacrifices in the service of the Church and others. The eerie near-silence among many Catholics is striking!. It is possible that they are still in shock at these horrible revelations. It is possible that there are those who are hoping that this is just a bad dream. It is possible that they are just too ashamed or afraid to speak out. We are breaking this silence! = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] re: Goa Net FAQs
Cecil Pinto: "Question: Who is Viviana Coelho? Answer: Viviana is a short, plump and ugly grandmotherly type woman. A first generation immigrant to the USA she works as a dishwasher for a major airline there." ES-C : Truthless, Tasteless and infinitely unfortunate set of words from Cecil Pinto who has a strikingly funny and creative bone in him. Ema Souza-Colaco TGF discussion list coordinator = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net The Goan Forum is at http://www.colaco.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
