[Goanet]FOREIGN JAUNTS FOR GOA POLITICIANS ARE HERE AGAIN

2003-08-15 Thread airesrod
As if Goa's jumbo cabinet was not draining our state exchequer enough, Chief
Minister Parrikar has sent yet another jumbo delegation of Ministers and
MLAs on a sight-seeing and shopping jaunt overseas and this time it is to
Singapore.

Parrikar's justification that it is a learning expedition fools no one.
Today all knowledge and information is available on the Internet at the
touch of a few buttons. And anyway, with the academic acumen of the Minister
and MLAs who have gone,  all we can expect is for them to come back after
making merry at public expense. Unknowledgeable as they were!

While in the Opposition Parrikar had vehemently opposed these foreign trips
and on assuming office had assured that he would not allow any of this. But
Parrikar has realised that the stability of his chair depends on the
contentment of his Ministers and MLAs.  And with the political instability
Goa is embroiled in it is safer to keep sending the Minister's and MLAs
overseas so that they could keep themselves satisfied and aloof from the
political games here.

Goa's first Chief Minister Dayanand Bandodkar was no IIT but he ruled Goa in
style and compassion. He may be the only Chief Minister who,  with a cabinet
of just three Ministers,   has left a long-standing imprint and the memories
of his rule will be remembered for all the right reasons. And besides Goa,
Bandodkar had to manage Daman and Diu.

I recollect having met the late Dayanand Bandodkar at his Althinho residence
when I was 10. I was impressed that though he did not have the privilege of
much academic education he had all the qualities that a good leader should
have.

I have also had the opportunity to interact and know very closely all
subsequent Chief Ministers but I can say that none of them will be
remembered as fondly as the late Dayanand Bandodkar. Goa's first Chief
Minister had a vision for Goa and laid the foundations of Goa's progress.
The sorrowful tales from rags to riches of other subsequent Chief Ministers
is horrifying.

Dayanand Bandodkar's statue next to the Secretariat at Panaji will stand out
for years to come. It may be difficult to find a place to install a statue
of any other Chief Minister. In sin they ruled and so should they perish.

Most if not all the other Chief Ministers have plundered Goa's riches and
contributed their bit to make Goa distinguished as one of the most corrupt
states of India. But who will be remembered and never forgiven is the
current Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar who besides taking corruption to its
ebb has dared to vehemently unleash the communal and casteist RSS ideology
in this otherwise secular state of ours.

Bandodkar was a friend of the masses. He looked beyond caste and creed
unlike our current Chief Minister who has been working overtime to benefit
the interests of a particular thread of a Society he represents.

We have celebrated the 56th year of India's Independence. What independence?
The war to liberate Goa from the clutches of the RSS is yet to be waged. It
is late but one has to be optimistic. If the secular forces succeed only
then will celebrations of Independence and Liberation make any sense.

Aires Rodrigues, Ribandar








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[Goanet]Re: Friday Balcao session on GOA DAY theme.

2003-08-15 Thread Frederick Noronha (FN)
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, rene barreto wrote:

> Friday Balcao session on GOA DAY theme.
> -
> WELCOME TO FRIDAY BALCAO
> -
> Dear Cybergaokars on GoaNet,
> 
> Our Friday Balcao session on 22nd August
> will focus on the theme of GOA DAY this year i.e
> " Giving back to Goa "
> You can join the discussion at Friday Balcao
> on 22nd August and make the GOA DAY theme
> even more meaningful.

With due respect to the speaker at this meet, and the initiatives he has 
already taken, perhaps asking such a question might get us onto a wrong 
path. We feel we are doing Goa a favour, get disillusioned by the 
"ingratitude", and then quit. Turn bitter. Or whatever.

We don't talk about 'taking out of Goa' -- which is what a whole lot of us 
have being doing. Getting our education here, and then migrating. Sending 
our elderly folks to Goa. Sending our children for education here, which 
in the past particularly was extremely subsidised. Buying off local 
produce at throwaway prices, compared to what it costs aborad. Speculating 
in ancestral land, or land acquired at relatively low prices. Living like 
princes here with the pensions of a few hundred pounds earned in colonial 
Africa, thanks to the collapsing value of the rupee vis a vis the 
sterling. And in other ways.

All of us, including this writer, are guilty of one or more of the above.

Yet, one could suggest, that to avoid a patronising attitude creeping in, 
everything who has a positive solution to lend, should not look at it as 
"giving back to Goa". One could argue that if any one of us decides to do 
something positive in Goa, it is primarily for the reasons below:

o We have the skills, so why waste it?
o Any small work, in a small place, could have a big impact -- in Goa
  you can really make an impact with what you have to share.
o We all owe a debt to the place that gave us, or our parents,
  an education and a chance to get ahead in life. 
o If we can't make the impact of our skills felt in Goa, where else
  could we do it?
o Many of us have relatives and friends back in Goa. Doing something
  here also means doing something for them.
o How do we pay back for the social infrastructure built over past
  generations -- by way of the educational infrastructure, the 'kudds'
  and clubs that made migration to Bombay/Mumbai possibile, the
  health infrastructure (despite its many problems and inadequacies
  today), even the social clubs set up in some villages as far back
  as the 1920s or thereabouts, music schools that gave Goans a 
  headstart abroad and within the rest of India,  and much more?

Just a few thoughts... If you feel angry or provoked, that was the 
intention ;-) FN

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RE: [Goanet]cecil Pinto

2003-08-15 Thread Gilbert Lawrence
Response:
Response:
Thanks to Joe (Blow) for the fowling enlightening statements. And also
to the other half a dozen GoaNetters who are now engaged in some
esoteric, obscure, impenetrable discussion with no start and no end!!!

When I read these postings and correspondence on these subjects, I ask
my self, "Is it better to have stupid dialogues or no dialogue at all?"
I guess many GoaNetters think the answer is the former. 

Hi,
Never trust the Doctors they are butchers, u r better off going to the 
tailor. Moidekars are not mad after all.
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[Goanet][GoanVoice-UK] Newsletter. Issue 2003-33 August 15, 2003 (fwd)

2003-08-15 Thread Frederick Noronha (FN)
-- Forwarded message --

Newsletter. Issue 2003-33. August. 15, 2003

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COMMUNITY NEWS

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12 Aug. Navhind Times. World-wide Goans set to celebrate World Goa Day. By
Joaquim Fernandes. Excerpts: Suffused in a mix of love and nostalgia, Goans
across the globe are gearing up to celebrate World Goa Day on August 20, a
virtual fever is building up in cyberspace among the Goan communities now
thriving in the UK, USA, Canada, Australia, Portugal, Spain, Kenya, Tanzania
and some countries of the Middle East. Writing in the official website
[www.goaday.com] of World Goa Day, London-based Mr Rene Barreto, convenor of
the event, says, "on Goa day this year, thousands of Goans will once again
remind themselves of the need to work to preserve our culture, music,
history, language, cuisine, and art for our children, the non-Goan
community, and for posterity." Full text of article is at
http://www.navhindtimes.com/stories.php?part=news&Story_ID=081235
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YLGS (Young London Goans Society) are proud to launch their new website
www.ylgs.org.uk which now features an Events Diary, Photo Gallery and also a
Forum where Young Goans can log on and chat, give feedback to the Committee,
meet other young Goans, have a moan, etc! Membership is Free for Young Goans
aged 18 and Over. For more details come and register at www.ylgs.org.uk or
email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
9. Aug. The Guardian. Seaside snapshot: Bridlington, Yorkshire. Best
restaurant: Sylvia de Souza's (01262 673210) High Street, Bridlington. A
Goan restaurant, serving imaginative Anglo-Indian dishes at around UKP 6 per
main course. For the brave, try the oxtail vindaloo (you can always cool it
down with the coconut rice or yoghurt chutney). Also, check out Derek De
Souza's Bridlington hotel at http://web.onetel.net.uk/~desouzashotel/
[bridlington_small.jpg] Click to enlarge

8 Aug. Leicester Mercury. Edgar Fernandes Murder. Keith Vaz MP today called
on the Foreign Office to ensure a man accused of murdering Leicester
holidaymaker Edgar Fernandes does not flee justice. Mr Vaz is arranging a
meeting with Foreign Office ministers. He also intends to fly to Turkey with
the family to lobby the authorities in the next few weeks. For full text
click here.

Moving Here, a new website, http://www.movinghere.org.uk/ was launched last
week. It consists of digitised photographs, maps, objects, documents and
audio items recording migration experiences of the past 200 years such as:

The Goan contribution to the Royal Navy.
Link to the National Archives Office listing of Goan Prisoners of war.
Photographs of Goa going back to 1906.
British government policy on the migration of Ugandan Asians
Details of Roman Catholic Church Records from Goa. There are parish
registers for 92 churches that consist of baptisms, marriages and burials
and date from the 18th to the 20th century. These can be consulted through
world-wide network of Family History Centres, including many in Britain.
You can send in an audio or written report of your own experiences or
check out the accounts of others.

Donations received: UKP 20 each: Banno Baptista; Monica Pereira.



DEATHS

7 Aug: Assolna, Goa: ZITO RODRIGUES: (Ex-EA Railways, Kisumu, Nairobi,
Tanga), husband of late Olga Beniga Viegas, father of Scarlet/Henry
(Canada), Leslie St Anne (Ex-SBI) Sabin and Lorraine, great-grandfather of
Ezabella (Canada), brother-in-law of late Gilbert Viegas, Limo Viegas,
Melba/Hipol Cordeiro (Nairobi), Milly/Anthony D'Costa and Mira.

7 Aug: Bastora, Goa: CLARA LIBANIA PINTO: wife of late Anthony, mother of
Pricilla/Alfred, Niceta/Ronnie, Osbin/Eustaquia (Bahrain) and Oddy/Angela.
Grandmother of Hazel & Onissa (Bahrain), sister/sister-in-law of late
Effie/Principe Carasco (UK).

4 Aug, Porvorim, Goa. LEOCADIA (Lucy) NORONHA FERNANDES
(ex-Nairobi/Ontario-Canada). Wife of Santan Fernandes. Sister of Dr.
Xavier/Angela Noronha (Canada); Blanche/Domnick [Dick] Fernandes (Canada);
Agnes/Joseph Rocha (Canada); Sophie/late Dr. Lawrence John Lobo (UK). Aunt
of Jude-John, Clare, Trevor, Konrad & Neil. Special thanks to family friend
Delhia Luis in Goa for all the assistance provided. Condolences to
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5 July, Norwood Green, London. PETER DIAS died aged 69. Ex-East African
Airw

Re: [Goanet]TidBits.026 (Dedicated to the Independence Day, 15th. August, 2003)

2003-08-15 Thread Bernado Colaco
Goa was never a part of the British Union. Unless Mr.
Goa Su-raj thinks otherwise.

Viva Goa only.

Colaco

 --- Floriano Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
TidBits.026 ( Dedicated to Independence Day, 2003)
> 
> Dear compatriot brothers and sisters,
> 
> Here is  wishing  you all a very happy Independence
> Day  Celebrations, but
> not entirely without some mixed feelings.
> 
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Re: [Goanet]Happy Independence Day

2003-08-15 Thread vivek araujo
Mr. J coelho,

Wish you the same on this great day of Independence
day and feast of our lady of Assumption. 

Our lady of Blessed Virgin Mary has made 15 promises
and request each and every one to visit the website
www.iskandar.com/ourlady/ourladypromises.html.

Boas Festas.

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[Goanet]cecil Pinto

2003-08-15 Thread jose dias
Hi,
Never trust the Doctors they are butchers, u r better off going to the 
tailor.
Moidekars are not mad after all.
Joe.

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Re: [Goanet]Satanic Verses

2003-08-15 Thread Tariq Siddiqui

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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> Blasphemy died more than 300 years ago in the civilized and free world.
>


Not really. People still continue to abuse other religions, even in this
free and civilized world.

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[Goanet]Re: Social entrepreneurship

2003-08-15 Thread George Pinto
Fred, as usual you make sound, valid, good points.  Thank you.
Bernado, regarding your comment below - on the contrary.  Goa Sudharop is interested in
sustainable development and projects.  However, note that I did not discount charity 
or try to
minimize its need.

George

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> George, isn't this question particularly flawed? It restricts our vision 
> to the views of two individuals --


--- Bernado Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Does your post below rubbish Goa Sudharop?
> 
> Colaco 
 



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Re: [Goanet]"bogus" therapies

2003-08-15 Thread Chimbelcho
In a message dated 8/15/2003 10:26:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Paddydes writes:

> 
> Strangely, people can misconstrue it based upon what they 
> want to read into it and then count you as their supporters :(
>

This is exactly the problem with Paddy and people who think like him. For them the 
world is divided into supporters and opponents. Supporters are supposed to applaud 
each other and opponents are supposed to abuse each other. They cannot conceive of the 
possibility that someone on one side of an argument would commend another on the 
opposite side just because he/she makes a valid point. 

To me Allwyn is doing a splendid job because he raises substantive issues that can be 
debated in a civilized manner. He has done it regarding bogus therapies, and also 
regarding what constitutes historical fact. I agree with him on the latter issue and 
disagree with him on the former. I don't care if he is my supporter or not. To me it 
is not either with us or with the terrorists.

Cheers,

Santosh

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[Goanet]ONE ACT PLAY/SOLO SINGING COMPETITION.

2003-08-15 Thread A. Veronica Fernandes
ONE ACT PLAY/SOLO SINGING COMPETITION.

As announced the “One Act Play and Solo Singing Competition” organized by 
Konkani Heritage Kuwait was held at Indian Arts Circle Funaitees, Kuwait, on 
8th of this month.  The show was attended by the packed hall and it started 
at 4.00 p.m. instead of 3.30 as announced earlier. At an outset, Fidelis 
Fernandes the president of KHK welcomed the audience, Chief Guest Prince 
Jacob coming from Goa, Guest of Honour Francis Correia coming from Bahrain 
along with his family and all the sponsors, main being Lawry Pinto the 
president of Youth Recreation Centre for being very magnanimous in 
cooperating with the organizers to hold this show.  The first Play of the 
programme was “Sombondh” by Arif Kazi in which only 3 artistes participated, 
the role played by handicapped George D’Souza on Wheel Chair had class in 
it, he is a new finding on Konkani Stage. In this show Director Arif Kazi 
showed his talent of his involvement in Filmi World.  Though this play had 
class of its own yet back benchers and many others in the hall missed 
listening some parts of this show due to deficiency in the mike system 
during this play.  The Mangalorean Play “Bessaum” was well appreciated by 
the audience in which director Lancy Rodrigues played a good role.  First 
prize winning Play “Ek Zadd Vhoddachem” by Ignatius de Xelvonn captured the 
minds and hearts of the audience.  Speaking to this writer later on, 
director Ignatius praised the organizers for giving him solid push 
especially by Rosary Ferns who according to Ignatius was instrumental in 
promoting him and many others on Kuwait Stage. Young director Felix de 
Merces showed his silky brain by depicting something great in his play 
“Xantichem Hatear” which gave some moral lesson. And, Felix Gonsalves staged 
his play “Resped Diat” which was based on the value of Time in which Simon 
Gonsalves played a major role of a disciplined father.

Among the guest artistes, Michael D’Silva, Marcus Vaz, Sanny de Quepem, 
Roney D’Cunha, Vishwas Remimbus, Rosary Ferns, Sylvester Vaz and Querobina 
Carvalho rendered their songs.  The opening chorus “Goa-Goa” in praise of 
greatness of Goa composed by Rosary Ferns and rendered by him along with 
Sanny, Sylvester, Michael, Marcus and Querobina was liked by the audience.  
The script of this opening chorus had great attributes of Goa and in it Goa 
was depicted like a painter depicting its portrait. Those who are involved 
in organizing Goan functions globally should make this song as symbol of 
Goan identity and Goan greatness.  The trio “Englandache Goykar” composed by 
Rosary and rendered by him along with Sanny and Sylvester gave strong hint 
of parents losing their children to them and to Goa once they go to West.  
Its theme has lot of relevance currently. Sanny de Quepem as usual showed 
his intellectual capacity by composing and singing a solo on the importance 
of Kuwait for us to come up in life.  Citing of examples enriched this song 
and it also showed his power of knowledge amongst the tiatrists. His sweet 
voice also gave an added booster for his song.  The other interesting songs 
were rendered by Roney D’Cunha with the accompaniment of charming Jyoti 
Colaco, the dancing sensation, captured the attention of the audience while 
Vishwas Remimbus’ Rock-N-Roll created uproar in the hall.  His way of 
singing with mellifluent voice, his handsome looks with attractive dress 
code and the accompaniment of entire Mangalorean dancing troupe as 
background mesmerized the audience.  Vishwas has created solid impact of his 
presence first time on Goan Konkani Stage in Kuwait. Rosary Ferns rendered a 
solo on death of Dr. Rosario Rodrigues while Querobina Carvalho rendered a 
solo on death of another tiatrist comedian Luis Dias, this too was 
beautifully composed by Rosary Ferns. Sylvester along with Querobina 
rendered a duet on Goans while Michael D’Silva rendered two solos, one 
decent and the other comedy for which he was called back a number of times.  
Marcus has also rendered a good decent solo. Prince Jacob as decided 
earlier, rendered a beautiful comedy solo for which he was called again and 
again and applauded fabulously by the audience.  As a chief guest he spoke a 
few words in praise of Kuwait Goans for keeping the Konkani language alive 
and active in Kuwait.  He also requested Kuwait Goans to help Goan Roman 
script weekly V. IXTT by subscribing to it. Ixtt is the only Roman script 
newspaper surviving in Goa and it helped Catholic community a lot.  Guest of 
Honour Mr. Francis Correia in his brief speech appreciated the enormous 
contribution of Kuwait Goans in the promotion of Konkani and Konkani 
cultural programmes in Kuwait and assured his help to have a mega event of 
all Gulf Goans sometime later at somewhere in the Gulf.

During the show, 2nd Album “Ghorkar” of Michael D”Silva was released thru 
the hands of Hipolito.

The prizes were distributed as follows:

1st Prize

[Goanet]More on coastal shipping in India...

2003-08-15 Thread Frederick Noronha (FN)
Grandios announcements are one thing; implemention quite another. FN

India envisages Rs.1 trillion investment in shipping

>From Indo-Asian News Service

New Delhi, Aug 15 (IANS) India is embarking on an ambitious project that
envisages investment of Rs.1 trillion to develop the maritime sector.

The project, "Sagar mala (garland of ports)", announced by Prime Minister
Atal Bihari Vajpayee in his address to the nation on Independence Day
Friday, envisages investment through a mix of public and private funding,
Shipping Minister Shatrughan Sinha said at a press conference here Friday.

"This project will cover all facets of maritime transport including ports,
shipping and inland waterways with the aim to fully realise the potential of
sea-borne trade and inland water transport systems, which will play a
catalytic role in the speedy development of the country," said Sinha.

"Sagar mala" aims to link ports with inland waterways, expand and modernise
ports along India's east and west coasts and develop of inland navigation.

Around 95 percent of India's import-export trade conducted through the
maritime route. This accounts for 75 percent of India's total global trade.

Besides being the most economic mode, development of inland water transport
is expected to reduce India's energy consumption.

According to the shipping ministry's estimate, only 0.15 percent of the
1,000 billion tonne cargo transported within the country is by the inland
waterways. Even if just two percent of this cargo switches to the waterway
route, the country could save 644,000 kilolitres of fuel or Rs.12 billion.

"This saving in national resources and the attraction of better shipping
facilities makes us sure that the project will pay for itself over the
years. We see no problem with attracting private investment as experience
with several of our ports has shown that global majors are interested in
investment where the infrastructure facilities are good," said the minister.

Sinha is banking on the private and foreign direct investment to meet over
80 percent of the project cost, with the government having to invest in
providing inland infrastructure like better road and rail connectivity to
the ports.

As a first step towards improving the shipping sector, integrated
development of Nhava Sheva port in Maharashtra, and Kochi and Vallarpadam
container trans-shipment ports in Kerala will be undertaken at a cost of
Rs.75 billion.

"Though the prime minister has announced work on the two projects will begin
by March 2004, we hope to start is earlier. We are ready to go to the Public
Investment Board with the proposals," Sinha said.

Once the approval has been received, the shipping ministry will move ahead
with plans to seek private investment.

"In the next eight to ten years, we hope to improve all the minor and major
ports in the country, including deepening of draft and upgrading equipment
to cater to the needs of international maritime flows. Due emphasis will
also be given for development of cruise terminals," said Shipping Secretary
D. T. Joseph.

--Indo-Asian News Service

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[Goanet]NEWS: Modi's RSS cap creates flutter at I-day celebrations in Gujarat

2003-08-15 Thread Frederick Noronha (FN)
Modi's RSS cap creates flutter at I-day celebrations in Gujarat

>From Indo-Asian News Service

Ahmedabad, Aug 15 (IANS) Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi donned the
black cap of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) while hoisting the
national flag on Independence Day Friday, but that was not the only
controversy surrounding the event.

It concluded with distinctly Hindu rituals like the "Shiv tandav stotra",
"Ganesh vandana", "Sahastra linga puja" and "Shakti puja" which had been
bitterly opposed by the main opposition Congress, which contended these
would alienate the minority communities.

And, in a break from tradition, the main function was held not in the
capital Gandhinagar but in Patan, 125 km from here, the seat of the Solanki
dynasty in 8th-11th century, which lost its glory when Muslim invader Mahmud
of Ghazni attacked it in 1024.

The Hindu connection was made explicit as the city was virtually painted
saffron with more flags of the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) than the
national tricolour.

Modi, who began his career as an apparatchik of the RSS, rubbed in the Hindu
theme, referring to the Godhra train burning and the need to control
population - a distinct aside at the Muslims.

In an attempt to counter Modi, the Congress also organised a flag hoisting
at Patan and gave the honour to  Viththalbhai Pandya, father of slain former
minister Haren Pandya who was a Modi rival in the party.

The elder Pandya has repeatedly charged Modi was involved in his son's
killing.

"Modi was always jealous of my son's popularity. He is responsible for my
son's murder," Pandya said Friday after hoisting the national flag. Some
10,000 people attended the function.

"The Modi government has taken only anti-people measures (since it came to
power in December 2002)", charged state Congress president Shankersinh
Vaghela.

Vaghela charged the government with misusing the police to put down an
agitation by farmers against power tariff hikes. A farmers' rally in the
state's second biggest city of Vadodara turned violent Thursday, with a
police inspector losing his life.

Police had made heavy security arrangements in Patan due to the two
functions. The Congress, in fact, received permission only on Thursday to
conduct its flag hoisting.

Modi has said the move to hold functions in other cities is meant to "bring
Gandhinagar to the door-step of the people".

This year's function to observe the birth anniversary of Mahatma Gandhi on
October 2 would be held in Porbandar, Gandhiji's birthplace.

The government had held the state's foundation day ceremony on May 1 at
Vadodara.

--Indo-Asian News Service

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[Goanet]NEWS-EXPATS: Indians in Gulf countries mark Independence Day

2003-08-15 Thread Frederick Noronha (FN)
Indians in Gulf countries mark Independence Day

By Mridula Krishna, Indo-Asian News Service

Dubai, Aug 15 (IANS) Thousands of Indians living in the Gulf countries
marked Independence Day Friday with song and dance ceremonies, rendering of
the national anthem and unfurling the tricolour as well as a host of
speeches.

Indians in the Middle Eastern nations number about 3.5 million.

In the embassy at Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates, Ambassador K.C.
Singh unfurled the national flag at a ceremony attended by over 400 NRIs,
including businessmen, office bearers of Indian associations and school
children.

The ambassador gave a speech and school children sung patriotic songs.

Singh said India-UAE relations were on a fast track thanks to a visit to
India in July by Lt. Gen. Shaikh Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan, chief of
staff of the armed forces of UAE.

The Indian ambassador said such exchanges were very important and was
optimistic they would become an annual feature.

In Dubai, the flag was hoisted by Yash Sinha, consul general of India,
followed by a cultural programme by schoolchildren. Indian associations in
Sharjah, Ras Al Khaimah, Ajman and Fujairah also marked the occasion.

In Oman, Indian Ambassador Talmiz Ahmed hoisted the national flag and read
out President Kalam's address at a ceremony at the Indian School, Al Ghubra,
at a ceremony attended by a large gathering of Indians from all walks of
life.

Children from the five Indian schools in Muscat participated in the function
with a march and singing of patriotic songs.

In Saudi Arabia, Indian Ambassador Kamaluddin Ahmed marked the day with a
flag hoisting ceremony in Riyadh. In Jeddah, Consul General Syed Akbaruddin
also hoisted the national flag.

Indians in Qatar also marked the day with the Indian Ambassador Ranjan
Mathai hosting the flag at the Indian Cultural Centre, followed by singing
of the national anthem and patriotic songs by students of Shantiniketan
Indian School and MES Indian School.

--Indo-Asian News Service

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[Goanet]Goan Folklore performance in Kampala: New Vision (Uganda).

2003-08-15 Thread Eddie Fernandes
[How many errors can you spot in the text below?]



Headline: Indian Celebration On.



Source: New Vision (Kampala), August 15, 2003 at

http://allafrica.com/stories/200308150419.html



By Sebidde Kiryowa



As all Asians and Ugandans of Asian origin converge at the Nile Conference
Centre tomorrow to celebrate India's 56th independence anniversary this
year, a different musical flavour will fill the air. In their midst will be
Grupo Algeria, an acclaimed Goan folklore troupe from India.



The group is here at the invitation of the Indian High Commission in Uganda
and will be hosted by the Kerala Samajam community in Uganda, an ethnic
group from Southern India. Grupo Algeria's performance, which will comprise
the day's celebrations, will be free of charge. The show starts at 6:00pm
and will last an hour.



According to Vivek Araujo, Savio and Ann Martins of the Goan community in
Uganda, the group will be performing alongside some local Asian and Ugandan
artists. He could not, however, disclose them at the time.



The ensemble is on an African tour that has taken them to South Africa,
Egypt, Zimbabwe and Kenya. Grupo Algeria is a foremost cultural group in
India, established in 1970. They have performed at various events in India
and abroad. The group has graced several food and cultural festivals in Goa.
In association with the Government of India, Goa tourism industry and Taj
Group of Hotels, they have toured Hong Kong, Sri Lanka, Singapore and
Malaysia.



They have also been to Bangkok, Yemen, Venezuela, Nepal and Russia, which
they toured last year. The group currently performs in different Five Star
Hotels in Goa. They have also performed for the CHOGM (Commonwealth Heads of
the Nations Meeting) held in Goa for Pope John Paul- II during his visit to
Goa, King Hussein of Jordan - while he was in Goa and Margaret Thatcher
while she was in Goa.



Grupo Algeria is well known for creating theme ambience with marching
choreograph. Amongst their prominent dances is Dhekni Dance (Temple Dance).



"Besides the above dances, the musicians will perform different types of
music in different languages like Konkani, Portuguese and Hindi. The whole
show will be of the duration of one hour," says Vivec.

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[Goanet]Friday Balcao session on GOA DAY theme.

2003-08-15 Thread Goa Desc
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will focus on the theme of GOA DAY this year i.e
" Giving back to Goa "
You can join the discussion at Friday Balcao
on 22nd August and make the GOA DAY theme
even more meaningful.
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[Goanet]Obituary + Marise Fernandes

2003-08-15 Thread rui fernandes
Marise Fernandes, having completed her early education in Belgaum (still
entangled in a boundary row between the states of Maharashtra and
Karnataka), graduated in Arts (Special) from the Lingaraj College in March
1956 and completed her B.Ed (English & History) the following year from the
S.T College, both attached to the Karnataka University, Dharwad; thus
creating a special circle of colleagues who treasured her company much after
they settled down in life and at the same time making sure she despised
none. 

On returning to Goa after getting married, Marise taught at Presentation
Convent High School in Margao for over a decade winning the hearts of many a
student with her flair to deliver the subject to be taught, laced with a lot
of anecdotes and wit. Upon giving up teaching, she remained an admirer of
her past pupils who continued to look upon her as a mentor and guide all th!
rough their young adulthood.

Marise passed away in much agony on 17th of August 2002 at the new family
home in Benaulim after battling for two painful years with Non Hodgkin's
Lymphoma (a cancer which affects the lymphatic system), having succumbed to
an accidental fall, which took it's toll on her already weakened bones after
heavy doses of chemotherapy and radiation. Throughout her illness, she shone
as an embodiment of strength to the entire family and friends who stood by
her, having placed her trust in His Divine Presence, in order to accept His
Will.

Marise was married to Dr. Alirio Fernandes, who retired as Deputy
Director of Health Services in 1980 in the position of Medical
Superintendent of Hospicio Hospital and the TB Sanatorium in Margao.

(A Thanksgiving Service on the occasion of the First Death Anniversary
for the departed soul of MARISE FERNANDES will be held on Saturday, the
16th of August, 2003 at five in the afternoon, at St John the Baptist
Church, Benaulim (Goa) followed by the blessing of the grave at the
adjoining cemetery.)

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[Goanet]Re: Goanet digest, Vol 1 #348 - Message 8.

2003-08-15 Thread godfrey gonsalves
Dear Netizens,
The matter of Anjediv Islands "Nossa Senhora da
Brotas"
Our Lady of Springs is not yet finally sorted out.
The Archbishop of Goa and Daman has to my mind not
been pursuing the issue with the Naval authorities in
New Delhi in right earnest given the fact that he has
retired in June 2002 and a successor is yet to be
appointed.

The same lethargy of the Archbishop of Goa and Daman
has resulted in the ruin of Chapel of St Fransis de
Assisi who Feast is celebrated on 4 October each year.

The good news is that the cause way from Binaga
(Karwar) to the Island has been completed on 7.4.2003.
It is realibly learnt that the Union Defence Minister
George Fernandes too made a discreet visit to the
Island  in April 2003.

Though the front roof near the altar has collapsed
partly it is expected that come September the
Archbishop of Goa will demand of the Naval authorities
to repair the Church.

Let it be clear to all and sundry that the Anjediv
Island though in the proximity of Karwar in Karnataka
State is still a part of Goa as seen from the survey
records and is under the jurisdiction of Canacona
Taluka.  It has historical importance to Goa because
the Portuguese visited this island denovo in March
1510 before their advent into Goa in November 1510 and
left the Island only on 22.12.1961 few days after the
Liberation of Goa.

The CM of Goa has been pursuing the issue with the
Naval authorites and we are definite that on 2nd
February 2004 the faithful will be permitted on the
Island ofcourse respecting all security restrictions
and guidelines.

godfrey j.i.gonsalves
borda margao goa
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>1. Computers... to battle illiteracy (Frederick
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>   14. GOA:Ganesh idols - High Court favours ban on
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>   15. Bardez scribes form association (Goa Desc)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:35:12 +0530 (IST)
> From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)"
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> Subject: [Goanet]Computers... to battle illiteracy
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> On Thursday, I finally met with Anthony Lobo and Maj
> Gen B G Shively 
> (Retd) of the Tata Consultancy Services. I've been
> following their work in 
> the field of using computers to battle illiteracy
> for some time now, 
> actually since June 2000 when the story first
> emerged in the technical 
> press.
> 
> In brief, they use a software product of theirs to
> help just about anyone 
> teach adult illiterates to get access to 'functional
> literacy'. The focus 
> is on reading skills (so that anyone can read a few
> basic words, maybe 
> even simple newspaper headlines and signboards...
> rather than just being 
> able to sign one's name).
> 
> What is interesting is that TCS claims this program
> is 90% successful, and 
> can convert an adult into 'functionally literate' in
> just about 40 hours 
> of teach. What's more, anyone can teach -- since the
> computer does most of 
> the work, one doesn't need to be a skilled teacher.
> Each teacher can take 
> a number of classes without getting tired.
> 
> TCS is a commercial firm. But this is a free-of-cost
> software, which is 
> available to anyone without charge willing to
> implement it for community 
> benefit. There are no hidden costs. The lessons tie
> up with the programs 
> and books of the National Literacy Mission, and
> Indian attempt to fight 
> illiteracy nationwide. NLM's books are inexpensively
> priced, each costing 
> around five rupees or so...
> 
>   As far as Goa goes, this is a 'high-literacy'
> state.
> 
>   But, we really cannot afford to be complacent. Goa
> is
>   ranked fourth highest nationwide in terms of its 
>   

Re: [Goanet]"bogus" therapies

2003-08-15 Thread Paddydes
In a message dated 08/14/2003 2:44:03 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<   To summarize, I think there is room for home remedies in modern healing, 
just as much as there is for "alternate" medicine, western medicine, and 
prayer.  So, if an old lady makes you kneel down while she sprinkles holy water on 
you, and it makes you feel good, go for it! >>
 
Thanks, Allwyn, for your candid response :-)

Strangely, people can misconstrue it based upon what they want to read into 
it and then count you as their supporters :(

Let our conscience be our guide:

Pat de Sousa
Maryland, USA

 -- IN GOD WE TRUST -- 
Declaration on US Currency

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Re: [Goanet]Santosh & S Verses.

2003-08-15 Thread Tariq Siddiqui

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Joe Vaz wrote:

> Remember this:  Even your friends Tariq, Marlon,Mervyn, Allwyn, or even
> Judas Escariot or Pontius Pilate do not believe you.  They may deny Jesus,
> but will not claim that Jesus did not exist -- and that goes for your
> professor friend too, who fired up this debate (through the controversial
> link) just to ingratiate himself with you.

This debate was never whether Jesus existed or not. Or at least, no one
responded to George's mail with proofs that Jesus existed.

This had turned into whether people should be allowed to question
religion. On that my position is yes.

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Re: [Goanet]Santosh & S. Verses.

2003-08-15 Thread Chimbelcho
In a message dated 8/15/2003 6:00:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
> 
> Thank your stars that you can say what you say, by staying in the West.  
> Make no mistake -- you will have had your head on a platter, if you would've 
> professed the S. Verses anywhere in the Mid East.
> 

Joe Vaz,

Do you approve of the above practice? Do you want something like that imposed in India 
or Goa or Goanet?

> 
> Remember this:  Even your friends Tariq, Marlon,Mervyn, Allwyn, or even 
> Judas Escariot or Pontius Pilate do not believe you.  They may deny Jesus, 
> but will not claim that Jesus did not exist -- and that goes for your 
> professor friend too, who fired up this debate (through the controversial 
> link) just to ingratiate himself with you.
>

I have many professor friends who believe me. For your kind information, I am a 
professor as well. I also know several priests who believe me. And 95% of distiguished 
members of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences do as well.

> 
> As for the rest of us let us take a break from discussing with the net 
> jester --Chimbelcho of the civilized and free world -- who prides on 
> impudent demeanor and cannot distinguish between 'blasphemy' and 'respect' 
> for religion.
> 

I wish you would only speak for yourself. But you cannot help being a net-pope or 
net-mullah. I am yet to see you become a net-swami though. I doubt you respect 
people's belief in the caste system and idol worship.

Cheers,

Santosh

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Re: [Goanet]Re: Vivek Araujos Comments -- And Tariq's Ducking

2003-08-15 Thread Tariq Siddiqui

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Tariq Bhai:
>
> Now, who's ducking, OR did that open up a 'raw' nerve? Why invite someone
> else to be your guest, and risk "Fatwa," when you are eminently competent and
> qualified to respond, based upon your earlier assertion?
>
> What is sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander -- it is certainly
> not a matter of getting ticked off. Like the absent-minded professor who
> posted this bold profanity on the subject line, you too can likewise question your
> own professed faith:


I do not understand what you say. But perhaps, you do not understand what
I had said.

Do you think if anyone questioned the basis of Islamic faith, they would
be the first? No, this has been questioned from the day the Prophet
Muhammed said that he was the messenger of God. This is an ongoing process
that cements the faith of some and dissolves the faith of others.

The point here is, questioning religious faith, scientifically of
otherwise, does not diminish the faith of the believers, unless they
themselves have doubts of their faith.

As Rohit/Rahul Shukla said, how would I feel "about discussing,
scientifically, how Allah (God) could have spoken the Koran into
Muhammed's ear?"

I really do not have any answer to him, because there is no way I can
prove that this event ever occured. So he can question this event using
what ever method he chooses and draw any conclusion he chooses. I cannot
refute his conclusions except to say that my faith remains unshaken and I
affirm in my belief that this event did take place.

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Re: [Goanet]Social entrepreneurship

2003-08-15 Thread Bernado Colaco
Dear Doutor George,

Does your post below rubbish Goa Sudharop?

Colaco 


 --- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A
question was asked of me by T.J. Rodgers, CEO, of
> Cypress Semiconductors when I invited him to
> speak at the University.  This is the question:  who
> has done more to improve and develop people's
> lives -  Bill Gates or Mother Teresa?  The question
> is not who is the better person, but who has
> developed people more through jobs creation which
> allows people to have an income base which in
> turn builds and expands their local schools,
> hospitals, flower shops, restaurants, etc. and
> communities?  Teaching people to fish rather than
> providing fish.
> 
> I suppose this is a question of Social
> entrepreneurship (btw, this is not my idea and is
> not new)
> which is roughly:
> First we start with fact that people need to have a
> social conscience and fight for justice in
> their communities.
> The next step is to influence their life, most
> especially their work life, with ideas of
> justice/equality/fairness/respect for
> others/environment/sustainable development.
> Once their work is so structured, they need to grow
> their business and local communities with
> these ideals.
> That in sum is just sustainable development.
> It can be applied in any area, and becomes an asset
> to everyone.
> 
> On the other hand, charity flows from altruism.
> But charity is one-way.
> It also does not create a base large enough to grow
> and provide more charity.
> It is not developing the self, but making the self
> dependent on others.
> It makes the giver feel good, but the receiver
> beholden.
> In that sense, it does not develop.
> 
> I suppose we will always have a need and room for
> charity in this world.  Is sustainable
> development the answer to Goa's challenges or are
> all the hand-out schemes the answer?  Something
> to think about in between the dance breaks and
> picnics on GOA DAY.
> 
> George
> 
> 
> 
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[Goanet]Goan food...

2003-08-15 Thread Frederick Noronha (FN)
Any volunteer out there willing to circulate recipes of Goan food via 
Goanet? Thanks, FN
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Re: [Goanet]Social entrepreneurship

2003-08-15 Thread Frederick Noronha (FN)
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, George Pinto wrote:

> A question was asked of me by T.J. Rodgers, CEO, of Cypress 
> Semiconductors when I invited him to speak at the University.  This is 
> the question:  who has done more to improve and develop people's
> lives -  Bill Gates or Mother Teresa?  The question is not who is the 
> better person, but who has

George, isn't this question particularly flawed? It restricts our vision 
to the views of two individuals -- Bill Gates and Mother Teresa. People 
across the globe have been adopting different models for taking people 
ahead. How many leaders from outside of the Western world even get the 
attention due for their ideas and approaches? I was myself surprised to 
read The Third World Guide, which gave another perspective on history. 

As someone who's recently got tuned into the Free Software debate (which 
started in the US in the 'eighties and earlier), I think the choice of 
Bill Gates as a role model is particularly inept. We might as well have 
chosen Union Carbide as a model of "social entrepreneurship" -- another 
Western catchword as a solution to fight poverty, in times when its 
continuance ought to be a global scam. FN

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[Goanet]NEWS: Christian group condemns burning of Hindu temple

2003-08-15 Thread Frederick Noronha (FN)
Christian group condemns burning of Hindu temple

>From Indo-Asian News Service

Washington, Aug 15 (IANS) The Federation of Indian American Christian
Organisations of North America has condemned as "a senseless and criminal
act" the burning of a 400-year-old temple in the Kashmir Valley.

The group said the incident took place at Subernag town in Doda district
Thursday night.

"Such heinous actions do nothing to foster peace and understanding between
religious communities in an already tense environment," said a spokesman for
the group.

"(We condemn) such criminal activities. Destroying a place of worship for
whatever reason is totally unacceptable and must be condemned," it said.

"We do not know who is behind this incident. But the act of desecrating or
destroying a worship place of whatever faith should be condemned just as
much as the actions of fundamentalists responsible for razing the Babri
Masjid (in 1992)".

--Indo-Asian News Service

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[Goanet-news]IXTT: Roundup news... in Konkani

2003-08-15 Thread ixtt
Madr Terezachea bhagevontkoronacho dobazo TV-icher dakhoitole

Vatikanantlea St Pedruchea Angnant Otubrache 19ver Juanv Pual II Pap Saib
dobajik Mis bhettoitolo ani Madr Terezachem bhagevont- koron kortolo. Hi
kariavoll 19ver sokallim 7.55 tem 10.30 vaztam porian TV-icher dakhoitole,
ti sonvsar bhor pollevnk melltoli. Italian Radio ani Televizanv Vatianachea
Televizanv Kendrachea sohokaran choloitole.

Gai marpache bondek O. Bengalacho virodh 

Kendr sorkaran gaio marpacher bondi ghalpa khatir sonsodechea chalu
odhivexonant videiok manddunk kelam tacher ostom Bengalacho khor virodh asa
ani tem "rajki uskavnni" kortat, dekhun sogleamni tea vidheiokacher nixedh
marcho mhonn ulo marla. Gaio marpacher bondi ghalear desantle arthik
poristhiticher mar bostolo ani arthik luskonn zatolem, toxench desant
chambddeachea utpadonacho vavr cholta taka proxn upraslole mhonn davea
sorkaran dakoll kelam. Gaio marpacher bondi ghalpacho hetu mhonnlear
desantlea lokachim monam uskavun aplea pokxak motam mellun ghevnk oxem ostom
Bengalachea monzati Vikaa Montri Anisur Rahman hannem sanglam. Bengalant Gai
marpa niontronn kaidea khal 14 vorsam voir zaloleam gaiank marpak porvangi
asa. Kendrachean gai marpacher bondi ghalun ieta, ponn rajeank to kaido
pallunk boll korunk zaina, karonn tem kam rajeacher tharlolem asa, oxem
Montrean sanglem.

Saddamacheam pattlavdarankd horpachi ievzonn

Sadddam Husseinache kaimpattlavdar kheddeam ganvamni lipun asat tankam
sampddavpak Amerikeche fouzen nove upai ghetleat. Baghdad xharache
uttorechea ganvamni Saddamache monis aslolea vattarant Amerikan fouzen
hol'lo korun ek meloani panch zavn zokhmi zale.

Europant gormek lagun 100 mornnam

Halinch disamni Europant gormi chodd vaddlea. Britainant Agostache 10ver
38.1 digri celsius zavn chodd gormecho dis zalo. Bavarian xharant 40.4 digri
celsius gormi zali. Paris xharant gormi vaddlolean 100 lok mela ani ek 3
vorsanchem bhurgem motorantuch mele mhonn khobreantlean gomlam. Fransachea
kaim vattaramni asloleam hospitalamni aircondtions naslolean zanttea lokache
halaval zaleat mhonn sangtat.

Asat tumi toear?

Amchea xezareak ek famil asa. Avoi bapui, tanchi kazari dhuv ani dogam
natram. Voros bhor tanchi zobor-xi zap aikunk ienam. Khorem mhollear tim
ghorant asat mhonn legun khobor asonam. Ponn jen'nam tancho Dubai aslolo
zanvuim aplea mavoddea portolo ten'nam nhoich tea ghorachem ponn ak'khea
vaddeachem vatavoronn bodolta. Tannem haddlolo ek CD player asa. Itlo kall
bhor tea CD playerak lagloli kolloi thoddeanch disam bhitor tancho zanvuim
zoddoita. Sokallim utthtanch gitancho avaz aikunk ieta ani tho-i zalear
boroch vhoddlean. Zo konn jemen bhormeta to legun hea avazan zago zavpacho.
Ek dis sokallim fuddem uttlole kodden tanchea playeracher vaztelem git
mhojea kanar sadlem. Hea gitant gaitolo gavpi kazar zavnk sodhtoleank ani
tanchea avoibapaik ek xiddkavnni ditalo: "Kazar mhollear ek moujecho khell
nhoi. Zo konn kazar zavnk fuddem sorta tannem aplem panvl sitidan ghalunk
zai. Kazar mhollear mon'xacho fuddar ani ho fuddar boro zatolo tor favo
titli toeari asunk nibel gorjechem." Aiz zaite bhav ani bhoinnim aple khuxe
bhair vo dusro forsar korta dekhun hem zobabdarechem panvl martat ani uprant
adarlole chukik lagun jivit bhor pochatap kaddttat ani dukham golloitat. Aiz
Igorz Matechea tribunalant kitlexech logn moddni magtale khottle (cases)
asat ani he khottle chodd promannan khuxe bhair logn zaloleanche zavn asat.
Aiz zaitim avoi bapui apleam vaddloleam bhurgeank veginuch ani uttavollin
logn korun soddunk sodhtat, odik korun jeam avoibapaink cheddvam zolmol'lim
asat tankam dusreachea tabeant kelim mhonnttoch aple toklevelo pez unno zalo
oxem somzotat ponn akrek fotoutat ani aplem ani apleam bhurgeanchem jivit
riskar ghaltat. Toxench zaitim tornattim favo titli toeari nastonam begobeg
kazar zavnk fuddem sortat ani aplea fuddarachi vatt laitat. Osleo chuki
ghoddcheo nhoi mhonn bhorvanso dhorun fuddli ghoddnni vachuk vachpeank ami
amontronn kortanv:

Othra vorsanchem Sofia niktench baravi "science" porikxek boslelem. Xikpant
tor tem ekdomuch huxar aslem. Apleak "distinction" melltolem mhonn taka
purai khatri asli. "Distinction ailear hanv dotorkechem xikop kortolem" ho
tacho anvddo tannem apleam ixtt-ixttinnink ugtto kel'lo. Nikalak thodde dis
asat mhonnlear Sofiache "aunty"-n taka soirik haddli. Ronny Gulfak kam
kortalo ani hozaramni zoddtalo. Tea bhair tachem ghor tin mallianchem aslem.
Poile mallier tachi avoi ravtali. Bapui somplolo. Dusre mallier tacho
vhoddlo bhav ravtalo, zalear tisre malli tachi asli. Ronny kodden ek "maruti
esteam" gaddi ani ek "enfield motorcycle" asli. Tea bhair ekdom motto "bank
balance". Hem sogllem polleun Sofichi aunty dipkovli ani ailolea disa Ronny
kodden logn zavnk ti taka agro kortali. Sofia aple auntychem kanar ghevnk
koxench kobul naslem. Aplem xikop purem kelea xivai aponn kazarachem
chintchem na mhonn tannem aple auntyk ugteponnim sanglolem. Aplea cheddvak
hi soirik mandun ghevnk tache auntyn tache avoik potovpa

[Goanet]IXTT: 56 years of Independent India (comment and views...in Konkani)

2003-08-15 Thread ixtt
Svotontrtaiechim 56 Vorsam Somptana...  

Svotontrtaiechim 56 vorsam hi ek lamb vatt. Fattim vollun pollelear dubhava
vinnem amchea Bharot desan tore-torechea karioxetramni udorgotichim oznadik
panvlam marlolim distat. Xikxonn, vidnean, tontrvidnean, artik ani her
mollancher Bharotan zaitem nanv zoddlam. Torui astanam desachim 56 vorsam
niallun desacher ek bhonvddi marit zalear khuxalkai ani bhorvanxachea
bhavnam poros dukhachim ani niraxiponnachim bhavnnam odik khoraien utpon
zatat. Kiteak udorgoti borobor onit, dhormvad, durbollkai, osurokxea, adi.
desant azun fulta, mat'ta ani vaddta ti amkam dolleam mukhar dista.

Mon'xam hok'k ani Lokxahi khatir 56 vorsam adim desacho lok zhuzlo. Ponn
atam heach totvam add ek nazuk ponn khor hol'lo korun hea totvanchi
poristhiti uchamboll zaun topasnnechi (introspection) borich goroz asa.
Gujrattant zaleant tim bhirankull dhormvadik zhogddim polleleant. Him
zhogddim eke vichitr torechim. Atam hea zhogddeanchea guneanvkareank khast
porian lavnk ek kotthin kam' zalam. Kiteak heam khuneank ani Gujratt
rajeacheam odhikareank bhieun govaiamni ogeponn dakhoilam. Gujrattant
desache Lokxaiecher zhuz manddlem ani zhuzlem. Hem fokot voilea-voirchem
udahoronn, kiteak team ghoddnneam bhitor anikui khor bhoimkor ievzonneo
mon'xam hok'kam ani Lokxahi virudh chalu asat. Olpsonkhechea

hok'kancher  akromonn kelam ti fokot  voilea-voirchi gozal.  Khorem
mhonnlear bhitorlean gorib ani somazantlea oskot lokanche hok'k damun
tanchea jivitacher ani sonskrutaiecher ek vhodd hol'lo chalu asa. Adivaxi,
Dalit, bailo ani vavraddeanchea jivacher ani izoticher atak korop chalu
asa. Dalitancher oteocharancheo ani oneaiacheo ghoddnneo vaddleat,
bailancher bolatkar choltat te bhirankull distat, bekarponn vaddun
tornatteanchi durdoxea zalea ani udorgotichea nanvan adivaxeanche
zom'nicher akromonn korun tanche poristhitechi vatt lailea.

Dhormachea nanvan Hindutv machi gheun rajki podveo zoddun ghevop hem novem
rajkoronn amchea desache svotontrtaiechea 56 vorsanche poromporek borench
vaitt. Hindutv oslea xastrachi xikovnn samanea mon'xak dhormachea nanvan
bulovn tankam ghuspaitat. Zaite toren Hindutv svotontrtaiechea proitnachea
muliancher, desachea songhottnnancher dil'lea sid'dhantancher -
svotonrtaiecher, ekcharacher ani somudaiacher add. Amchea desachem
dhormatitponn ani somazant ekta, monisponn, nit hea totvanchem boreponn ani
tacho vikas korpache proitn Hindutvache fuddari aple svarthi ievzonne vorvim
fiskottavunk vavurtat.

Khuni ani neaialoieche khottle (cases) aslole rajkoronnant bhitor sorleat,
rajki fuddari zaleat ani kaim zann Sorkar choloitat. Ani he rajki fuddari
'criminalisation of politics' hache virudh kaide korunk toiar na ponn tori
dhormachea nanvan 'Cow slaughter' hacher bondi ghalunk osle kaide ghoddunk
vavurtat. Durbollkai nopoit korunk vavrinastanam tankam dhomkavun Lok
Sobheche vangddi sorkarachea adharan xud'dhikoronnachem nanv gheun goribank
ani adivaxeank 'Hindutvant' bhitor kaddunk vavurtat. Desantlo spoxtt rupan
choltolo bhroxttachar nopoit korunk vavrinant

Amchea desache svotontrtaieche sonkoxtt lamb ievzonnechem foll mhonn
visorchem nhoi. He sonkoxtt nhoich fokot Brittix raj bhair uddounk bogor hea
svotontrtaiechea proitnant don gorjechim totvam rigun aslim: Poile svater
Hukumxai vo Rajeachem raj naslolem Bharot ek adhunik raxttr korpacho proitn
ani dusrem hea raxttrant kosloch bhed-bhav vo veglleponn naslolo zaun zati
-katinchem, linganchem, dhormachem veglleponn adi. naslolem ani ekvott
samballpi raxttr korpak suttke zhuzareancho hetu aslo.

Dhormvadeanchea, bhroxtt mon'xanchea ani onitin jietoleanchea hatant amcho
des cholounk diuncho nhoi mhonn svotontrtaiechea 56 vorsam somoiar nicheu
korum-ia.

Vachpi Boroitat

Mov mellta thoim khonddtat

M. S.  Halinchea disamni amche tornatte pulis khateant bhorti zatat. Tornni
pirai mhonnlear kuddint boll, rogtacho nett. ho nett he tornatte pulisank
goroz tea zageancher vaprinant ponn... Agostache 3rer Weekender hea inglez
satolleacher "Cops dozed as trucks cross Zuari" hea mhatallea khal ek lekh
uzvadda aila. Diutter aslole pulis jhemetat, ttrok Zuari pul par kortat. Hem
oxem koxem ghoddlem kai mhoinn chovkoxi kelear pulisechem mhonn'nnem pottona
toslem asta. Te rokddech negar vetat vo dusrem kitem-i nib laitat. Fattim ek
nors sangtaliki ratchea modianratir ek tornatto obsoeg sampoddlo ani taka
hospitalant haddlo. Tachea paiank mar lagun haddak futt gel'li zait. Tinnem
taka ilaz dilo. Thoddea vellan ek tornatto pulis ievn tika paiancho x-ray
kiteak kaddunk na kai mhonn vicharunk laglo khoim. Tedna tinnem technician
nam mhonn sangtoch to tapun te norsik ulovpak laglo khoim. Oxe toren hi
vagnnuk zata.

Reggie Fernandes

Europi padri Konknni xikle ani xikoili

M. S.  Goeant Portugez aile tanche borobor Katolk padri bhitor sorlet ani
tannim amchi bhas bore toren xikun kaddli. Hindu Bamnna kodde te xikle zait.
Te itli bori Konknni bhas xikle ki tannim zaitim pustokam ani veakoron
porian boroilim. Tankanch lagun aiz Romi Konknni ji

[Goanet]Santosh & “S” Verses.

2003-08-15 Thread Joe Vaz
Santosh Helekar writes:
On  Thu Aug 14, 2003  10:39 pm
Subject:  [Goanet]Satanic Verses


Hi Santosh:

You have got it all wrong my friend, I suggest you take a deep breath and 
ponder over what you write –- else you might get in hot waters someday in 
the outside *free* world.

Thank your stars that you can say what you say, by staying in the West.  
Make no mistake -- you will have had your head on a platter, if you would’ve 
professed the “S” Verses anywhere in the Mid East.



Remember this:  Even your friends Tariq, Marlon,Mervyn, Allwyn, or even 
Judas Escariot or Pontius Pilate do not believe you.  They may deny Jesus, 
but will not claim that Jesus did not exist -- and that goes for your 
professor friend too, who fired up this debate (through the controversial 
link) just to ingratiate himself with you.

As for the rest of us let us take a break from discussing with the net 
jester --Chimbelcho of the ‘civilized and free world’ -- who prides on 
impudent demeanor and cannot distinguish between “blasphemy” and “respect” 
for religion.

Joe Vaz

-

From:  Santosh Helekar
Date:  Thu Aug 14, 2003  10:39 pm
Subject:  [Goanet]Satanic Verses
In a message dated 8/14/2003 3:15:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I would sturdily object if Salman Rushdie's 'Satanic Verses' were posted on 
this Forum.

A lot of people, including I, would strongly object to any censorship or ban 
of
Satanic Verses or any other religious parody in this public forum.

You will always find people standing up and correcting any obnoxious or 
provocative posts here.

There will also be people who will stand up to "correct" those who think 
they
are "correcting" others. The self-righteous need to be shown that they are
often wrong. Tariq, Marlon, George, Mervyn and Allwyn are doing a splendid 
job
in that regard.

Blasphemy died more than 300 years ago in the civilized and free world.

Cheers,

Santosh

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[Goanet]Re: [goans_tanzanite] HINDUS , MUSLIMS , CATHOLICS -s.

2003-08-15 Thread rene barreto

I thought I d share a post from Adolf - my friend from Africa.
To me it made interesting reading .
rene



- Original Message -
From: Prof. Mascarenhas
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [goans_tanzanite]  HINDUS , MUSLIMS , CATHOLICS - Indians and
Pakistanis too...are JOINInG us in celebrations.


Rene and ALL GOANS From TEXAS:

It was heart warming to hear that Catholic, Hindus & Moslems, all joined
together to Celebrate GOA DAY in Texas.  In East Africa, there is an
assumption that Goans are different because they are Catholics. I think
Goans are different because there is a remarkable spirit of TOLERANCE !
Perhaps we have learnt something from history.

TOLERANCE and respect for other people has to be nourished. We
and our foreparents were all created by the same God.  I agree entirely with
the
sentiment that religion should not be used to divide people.  Our powerful
message will also be a big boost to all Indians and Pakistanis of good will.
There are many such people of good will.

Congratulations and God Bless You All.

Adolfo
Dar es Salaam

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[Goanet]TidBits.026 (Dedicated to the Independence Day, 15th. August, 2003)

2003-08-15 Thread Floriano Lobo
TidBits.026 ( Dedicated to Independence Day, 2003)

Dear compatriot brothers and sisters,

Here is  wishing  you all a very happy Independence Day  Celebrations, but
not entirely without some mixed feelings.

Millions of our country men and women will be praising the fifty six years
of their freedom from the British Colonial Rule of 150 years. Yet other
millions will have no cause to celebrate and to dance with joy. For them,
the shackles of poverty and  discrimination have been getting heavier than
ever before.  Our country has progressed a hundred folds in the last 56
years of Independence. But deaths by starvation abound. Millions have no
basic amenities of life, like clean  drinking water, shelter from
displacement through natural and man made calamities.  Natural  Justice has
become a commodity that has to be bought with favours and the sweat from the
skin.  Its people are not free to choose or profess the religion of their
choice.  Any relief from good samaritan organizations are viewed with
suspicion and are harassed to no end, even burnt alive to death. Criminals
of human rights are acquitted with brazenness.

What we hear and read from the news media today would make the writers of
our CONSTITUTION weep the tears of despair. They thought, in their goodness
and sincerity that  ten years would be sufficient  to  eliminate the curse
of castes and inequality among the citizens of this nation. But 56 years
after Independence, the castes have become the criteria for a better living.
Those who would want to forget their castes are forced to cling to them so
that a few opportunist politicians may reap the benefits and enlarge their
vote banks. All standards of merits have been sacrificed in the name of
reservations and bring the quality of services to their lowest ebb.

Our national and state leaders  who will be hoisting the national
tri-colours of our freedom struggle and the stamp of our Equality,
Fraternity and Secularity  will be doing so with bloodied  hands. Every
single citizen of this nation needs to hang his/her head in shame. In the
name of democracy,  religious fundamentalism has fanned the flames of
passion and greed for power. Criminals who need to be incarcerated in jails
for highest of treasons against the CONSTITUTION are occupying the chairs of
honour, authority and power.  They make laws so that they may continue to be
in power . They promises everything to everyone under the sun so long as
they are allowed to perpetrate their mental decay on the nation splitting
the population on basis of castes and creed.

What the fathers of the nation had  sought to shut under the heavy lid as
vile cancers , harmful to the health of the new, free, emerging nation ,
has now been allowed by the passivity of thought of the custodians of the
CONSTITUTION  to come  out in the open and  flaunt its newfound prowess to
the detriment of the entire nation. We have become a nation captive of our
own evil dreams. Those who should be preaching the word of God in the
confines of their religious institutions with a strict code of conduct in
place, are free to preach politics of divisions, segregation and hatred,
even to the extent of distributing lethal weapons that can harm or kill a
next citizen of this free nation. And the leaders of our nation who are
considered 'statesmen'  are the shadows of the preachers of this hate and
vandalism. At the slightest opportunity availed, they spill their venom of
selfish designs and then try to retract it to save their faces.  Our
leaders, instead of  fighting external enemies and protecting our own, they
organize bandhs and strikes to terrorize and cripple our own people and
destroy our own properties thereby affording the terrorists their victory
and a last laugh.

The  course that the fathers of our nation had charted  has been discarded
and a course towards  destruction has been plotted to bring about total
anarchy in the smoothly functional nation,  which has shown the potential to
be the one of the greatest powers of the world. And our national leaders are
leading us  merrily over the cliff to our own doom.

In the hoisting of our beloved flag of freedom,  this 56th. time, let the
evil hearts of our evil leaders be ripped off and exposed, enabling the
nation to take a U-turn and come back on the path of harmony, equality,
integrity and secularity. This nation needs leaders of clean hearts and
clear minds,  irrespective of the colour of their skins or their origins.
What this nation does not want are leaders who are communally venomous
snakes in the grass, even though they may be the sons of the soil or pretend
to be the sons of the soil.

How true were the words that rang out in the House of Commons of British
Parliament 56 years ago.

"You will be handing over the reins of hungry millions in the hands of MEN
of STRAW, LOOTERS and FREE-BOOTERS. A time will come even the air will not
be free to breath"

Indeed, today,  the  champions of 'Hawala Racket'  are our prominent

[Goanet]GOADAY - Focus on Goan Youth in Africa.

2003-08-15 Thread rene barreto
 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:39:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [goans_tanzanite] GOA DAY in Arusha

GOA DAY will be commemorated in Arusha on Saturday and Sunday, 
30th and  31st August, 2003 at the Arusha Institute.  The two-day 
programme where the Community especially the youth can come together 
and also celebrate GOA DAY for the following programme:


Saturday, 30th August 2003 from 2pm - 8pm
Sports

Six a side hockey (15 minutes a side)
Six a side football (15 minutes a side)
Table tennis (Knockout format)
Badminton (Knockout format)
Darts (Knockout format)
Pool (Knockout format)

Sunday, 31th August 2003

12.30 noon - 1.30pm lecture on Aids
A medical doctor will give a 1 hour talk to all especially the youth on 
Aids that will be followed by a 30 minute question and answer session.

1.30pm - 2.00pm Lunch

2.00pm - 2.15 Prize giving (for sports)

2.15pm - 3.00pm - Career Counselling
Professionals (in different areas of expertise) or and businesspersons 
(in various sectors), would be available for 1 hour for career counselling.

3.00pm - 5.00 pm Music & dancing

5.00pm - 5.30pm Tea & Cake

5.30pm GOA DAY officially closed.

Be sure to join us if you will be in Arusha at the time!!

Kind regards,


Fay D'Souza



A very interesting website. 
GOANS OF KENYA _Mombasa
Goan History of Africa 
http://www.afdeca.com/kenyagoa/index.html

ooo


Music & dancing is our way to say ,
we are Goans wherever we may be ,
we decide , YOU dont ! 

TOGETHER we CAN make a DIFFERENCE ,
The choice is YOURS , not OURS.

ooo
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[Goanet]Social entrepreneurship

2003-08-15 Thread George Pinto
A question was asked of me by T.J. Rodgers, CEO, of Cypress Semiconductors when I 
invited him to
speak at the University.  This is the question:  who has done more to improve and 
develop people's
lives -  Bill Gates or Mother Teresa?  The question is not who is the better person, 
but who has
developed people more through jobs creation which allows people to have an income base 
which in
turn builds and expands their local schools, hospitals, flower shops, restaurants, 
etc. and
communities?  Teaching people to fish rather than providing fish.

I suppose this is a question of Social entrepreneurship (btw, this is not my idea and 
is not new)
which is roughly:
First we start with fact that people need to have a social conscience and fight for 
justice in
their communities.
The next step is to influence their life, most especially their work life, with ideas 
of
justice/equality/fairness/respect for others/environment/sustainable development.
Once their work is so structured, they need to grow their business and local 
communities with
these ideals.
That in sum is just sustainable development.
It can be applied in any area, and becomes an asset to everyone.

On the other hand, charity flows from altruism.
But charity is one-way.
It also does not create a base large enough to grow and provide more charity.
It is not developing the self, but making the self dependent on others.
It makes the giver feel good, but the receiver beholden.
In that sense, it does not develop.

I suppose we will always have a need and room for charity in this world.  Is 
sustainable
development the answer to Goa's challenges or are all the hand-out schemes the answer? 
 Something
to think about in between the dance breaks and picnics on GOA DAY.

George




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[Goanet]Police- Public meet at Verem on Sunday.

2003-08-15 Thread Goa Desc
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Documented by Goa Desc Documentation Service
& circulated by Goa Civic & Consumer Action Network
(GOA CAN)<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ph:2252660
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Grievance meet at Verem
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Verem Legal Aid Cell of V M Salgaocar College of Law, Miramar,
Panjim, will conduct a "Public Grievance Meeting on Public Expectation
and Police Response" on August 17 at Unity Hall, Verem
from 9.45 am to 12 noon.
Karnal Singh, DIG, Goa Police, Adv Surendra Dessai, Advocate
Prabhakar Dhage, Bureau Chief, Daily Pudhari, Ramchandra Mayenkar,
Sarpanch, Verem, Reis Magos Panchayat will be present for the meeting.

HERALD 14/8/03 page 5

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[Goanet]Bardez scribes form association

2003-08-15 Thread Goa Desc
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Bardez scribes form association
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The 'Zunzar Gramin Patrakar Sangh' (ZGPS) has been recently formed
by correspondents from the constituencies of Aldona, Calangute and
Saligao, who represent the English and vernacular dailies in the State.
The decision was taken at meeting, chaired by president of Anant Radha
Vachan Mandir Vasudev Chodankar, at Ecoxim. Those elected to the
committee consists of Ravindra Panjikar (president), Devidas Gaad
(vice-president), Vasudev Chodankar (general secretary), Tulsidas
Salgaonkar (joint secretary) and Prasad Mahambre (treasurer).
The members are Anil Shankwalkar, Vishwanath Halarnkar,
Dinesh Veluskar and Rajtilak Naik.
The formal inauguration of the ZGPS will take place on August 15
at 5.30 pm at the Anant Radha Vachan Mandir in Ecoxim, to be
attended by Goa Union of Journalists President Gurudas Sawal.
The Sangh also decided to decided to conduct educational, social
and cultural activities, besides rendering service to the communities
in the area.

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[Goanet]GOA:Ganesh idols - High Court favours ban on plaster of Paris.

2003-08-15 Thread Goa Desc
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HC favours ban on plaster of Paris Ganesh idols,
Rules immersion of only clay idols in Carambolim lake
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The Panjim Bench of the Bombay High Court has suggested to the
government to consider imposing a ban on sale of idols of Lord Ganesh
made of Plaster of Paris on environmental grounds.
This observation has been made in the order passed by the division bench
of the Bombay High Court comprising Mr Justice Ferdinho Rebello and
Mr Justice P V Hardas on Carambolim lake.While issuing directions to
the government authorities for rejuvenating the lake as a major bird site,
the court asked the Conservator of Forest "to take steps to bring to the
notice of the village panchayat that the idols to be immersed should be
of clay and not made of plaster of Paris".
"There will be a total ban on immersing Ganesh idols made of plaster
of paris'', the Division Bench ordered. It has however, clarified that the
tradition of immersion is not to be interfered with. The court further said
that considering this direction, "the State government may consider banning
the sale of Ganesh idols made of Plaster of Paris elsewhere in the State also."
The court has given given detailed instructions to the government,
Konkan Railway Corporation and the Tenants' Association of Carambolim
to ensure the protection of the Carambolim lake as a bird site.
It may be recalled that a Herald report on the badly maintained Carambolim
lake was taken suo moto by the Panjim Bench of the Bombay High Court
and instructions issued for protecting and preserving it as a major bird site.
Thanks for the court intervention that the famous lake is being saved from
decaying.
The Double Bench has issued a volley of instructions to protect this lake
right from the construction of a galvanized wire mesh on the railway
embankment to prevent waste flowing into the lake to immersion only
of clay idols into the lake. According to an affidavit filed by the Konkan
Railway Corporation, there is a fencing of one metre height by the lake
side to prevent cattle crossing the tracks, which is at a distance of 45
metres away from the High Level platform. The Court has directed that this
fencing be replaced by a galvanized chain mesh in consultation with
the Conservator of Forests within three months.
The Court also directed the Konkan Railway Corporation to keep 40 metres
of their land between the KRC boundary and the lake as a "no development
zone".
The Division Bench has directed that the plantation of acacia on the lake
side is to be replaced by low indigenous species in consultation with the
conservator of Forests, also within three months. In view of the environmental
need, this work of removal or felling of trees can be carried out without
requiring permission from the Tree Authority or any authority, observed
the court.
The KRC has been directed to provide a check dam upstream and provide
a wire mesh fencing near the culvert to ensure that fresh Salvinia weeds
do not enter the lake and also to prevent garbage and dry waste from
going into the lake from the site of the Konkan railway platforms.
This work has to be done in consultation with the Conservator of Forests,
within three months.The State government has been directed to prepare
a plan for the reinforcement of the embankment to prevent leakage of water
and provide new sluice gates, the project report of which has to be prepared
within three months and the work completed latest by May 31, 2004.
These directions are in view of the fact that the embankment has developed
cracks at various places resulting in water flowing out of the lake, while the
sluice gates, which are looked after by the Tenants' Association are
primitive in character.
The court has directed the Tenants' Association to submit to the Conservator
of Forests the schedule for the release of water for the vaingon crop and until
such time the sluice gates are not replaced, this work has to be done by the
Tenants' Association in consultation with the Conservator of Forests.
After the sluice gates are replaced, the release of water would be done by the
Conservator of Forests in co-ordination with the Tenants' Association who are
to submit their schedule for release of water to the Conservator of Forests.
In addition, after the harvesting of the vaingon crop, the Tenants' Association
has been directed not to open the sluice gate for release of water and any
such action will be taken only after seeking the approval of the Conservator
of Forests.
The Tenants' Association has been directed not to exercise the right of 
fishing,
considering that the