[Goanet]Teacher Plus... an interesting mag
Please pass this on to any teacher/educationist you might know back in Goa. It is an extremly low-priced magazine that would be of interest to those in the field. We need to demonstrate how the Net is not just an abstract, overhyped tool, but one which can bring in really useful information to the different aspects of life that real people are involved in. FN -- Forwarded message -- * TEACHER PLUS Vol I No 4 * July/Aug 2003 Rs 15 Submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription Rs 70 per year. Overseas Rs 630. [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Consumer clubs in school: Consumer Affairs Ministry will grant Rs 10,000 to set up consumer awareness clubs in schools. Channel to energise science education plnned in India by 2005 Magsaysay award for prof Shanta Sinha, of UoHyderabad, who's behind the MV Foundation, working to get all children in the end mainstream. AP government's schooling statistics in dispute. Disaster management has been introduced as part of the social sciences curriculum for Class VIII from this year, which will be extended up to Class X by 2005. A new book, *Together Towards Safer India*, has been prepared for the course in collaboration with the disaster management division of the Home Ministry and the UNDP. ON TEACHING GEOGRAPHY: I put up the world map on teh wall. I took a pointer and took my teachers on a 'trip' to part of Europe. Before starting, various travel details (passport, visa, accommodation) were discussed My wards were so happy with the trip, they didn't want to come back!!! --Girija Karthikeyan EDITORIAL: Just when we thought that corporal punishment in schools was a thing of the past, it seems to be resurfacing with renewed vigour. LET'S CLEAN UP! Cleanliness of one's surroundings as well as one's own body is very important to good health, and therefore to what one is and one does. Like most habits, hygiene too is a habit picked up and most easily in childhood. Here are a few ways in which to help little children pick up clean habits, writes Sheel. PEG MATHS WITH EASE: The pegboard is a familiar piece of preschool equipment on which little children learn number work. This little board can be used to great effect through all of primary and middle school, and even in high school. K Rajalaxmi, principal of the Chirec Public School in Hyderabad describes how. WHY DO CHILDREN LIE? Lying is one of the challenges parents and teachers alike face when dealing with children. Given the responsibility of ensuring that a child is coping not only academically but also socially and emotionally, it becomes important to know the possible causes of untruth, and how to deal with it with sensitivity, says Charru Sharma, lecturer in family and child development <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MORE THAN JUST BUZZING AROUND: Climbing on the wings of a little insect can sometimes take you on a voyage of discovery. This project presents some ways in which you can take your students on that voyage, with the honeybee. The bee, like the ant, has often been described as a model of community living. There are many other aspects of the bee's life cycle that have lessons for us -- lessons that take us beyond the pages of a textbook and outside the boundaries of a subject, writes M S Shobha. MATHS FOR COMMUNICATION: Maths is a subject with a wide applicability in almost every area of life. That it is undeniably a part of our daily lives, and thus an easy subject to grasp, is something that children can learn to appreciate, thus getting over their inhibitions about the subject. P R Guruprasad, a Chennai-based education consultant involved in curriculum and teacher-development <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> shares his experiences of using Maths as a medium of communication. ELEMENTARY ORGANISATION: The priodic table of elements is one of those necessary but often boring chapters in the seventh or eighth class syllabus. We rush through it stoically, making sure our students are familiar enough with the logic of its organisation to help them understand the rest of high school chemistry. Here are some added insights on the periodic table that might help you make it a little more interesting for your students, says Usha Raman. FREEING COMPUTERS IN SCHOOLS: Computers are used in many schools these days, as a teaching/training tool as well as for administrative purposes. Most schools, however, use expensive software that not only takes away a huge chunk of the school budget, but also limits the number of teaching/learning tools that can be used in school. This article discusses Free Software an
RE: [Goanet]Goa's social indicators
Gosh, I have never ever encountered so much redundancy in a single post. The net value of your post was nil! But then that is what happens when one runs out of valid arguments. The only way out is to attack and resource to remarks with no possible factual validation. For example, your statement that I am a friend of Bernado. How did you conclude that? The first time I established direct contact with Bernado was yesterday when I asked him from where he was. Before that, I only heard from his posts that are daring but, nonetheless, present valid arguments many times. How did you conclude that I live in Portugal? Most people on Goanet know that I live in London and have lived in London since 1995. But you not only took it for granted but also issued a statement that I live in Portugal. The problem with you is that you issue false statements in your posts without checking the validity. Most contributors start by saying "I believe", or "In my opinion", "According to the data published...", etc. But you actually issue statements as though they are valid just because you said them and you even go to the point to justify that you have read that in "many newspapers" or in the media in Goa! I honestly think you should revise what you want to say and look for the validity of those statements before posting them. Despite what you might think, your name Miguel is not rare. There are hundreds (if not thousands) of Migueis in Goa. Hence my humble request to know your surname. I think it is not too much to ask, is it? I also believe you have been in this forum for the past year or so, hence I had never heard of you. For your information, I have been an on-and-off member of GoaNet since 1994. Even though everybody knows me very well, I have always identified myself to the full. If I have signed as Paulo only, my e-mail id contains Paulo Colaco-Dias while yours contains only Miguel or Miguel12 - not very revealing, is it? Also, I can't see how by getting my DNA testing is going to reveal if I am an Indian or anything else. Did you find that in your hard(ly) factual-based research that Indians have different genes that can help to distinguish themselves from the other human beings? Where did I mention in my post "Portuguese descent"??? I do not have any claims of that sort. You are again speculating and again issuing false statements. Your posts are just as bad as they can get in terms of false statements. Are you one of those who discriminate against "mesticos", "descendentes" or "mulatos"??? Even though I am not one of them, I find that most unfortunate in many of us Goans. My request to you: "Lastly, Miguel, in future, please talk for yourself", was in response to your statement that "we Goans do not need Rui's advice". Firstly, Rui was not giving any advices. He was merely responding to other contributor's opinions/discussions. I know Rui extremely well and that gives me the right to defend and support him and his views which I second 100%. You would do the same for your best mate. But you do not know me and I would never allow you to include myself in your definition of "we". Is that crystal clear now or shall I draw it for you so that you can understand? The last part of your post is so rude that I am not even going to bother replying. It speaks a lot for the person you are. Could not find any indications of "Arcanjo". But, thanks for letting me know. I will keep that in mind just before pressing the delete button next time. Paulo Colaco Dias. -Original Message- From: Miguel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 September 2003 04:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goa's social indicators Dear Paulo Colaco-Dias, There is just one Miguel posting on Goanet,so I do not see the need to write my surname every time. I am definitely not ashamed of my name.I am proud to be a Braganca[I write it as Braganza,for I hate to be called Braganka for want of a proper type face or key]Both my parents are Braganca. I am Miguel Arcanjo Braganca,joneiro/gaunkar of Communidade Agricole de Mapusa and a parishioner of St.Jerome's Church famous for its Milagres feast(Festa da Nossa Senhora das Milagres).My residential address and phone number can be given to you on request. Your friend Bernado Colaco does not have the courage to do likewise. Aquino Braganca is not my first cousin:he is one generation older to me. I only stated that he was born in Goa to differentiate from Rui Colaco,who was born in Mocambique.He and my uncle Luis were in Mocambique.They made different choices and both were different from the one that Rui made.That was the purpose of the statement. Nothing else. We have lots of achievers in my family.I was not boasting about Aquino and Luis;just stating an example. I think you can understand that. If you cannot,I am wasting my time. Granted that most our parents[and many of us on the goanet who were born upto 18 December,1961] were Portuguese nationals by virtue of being born in the Estado
Re: [Goanet]Early History of GoaNet
> On Friday I asked a question about the antecedents of Mangalore Catholics > and by Saturday, the very next day, Fred found a ready reply which at > length described their history. Thanks Fred. > > Now if only Fred would apply his mind as much to reply to my basic > questions about the antecedents of GoaNet. Surely a person who has been > involved with GoaNet for so long should have no difficulty in doing that. > > I quote Dr. Jose Colaco on Goa-Goans (slightly out of context but relevant > regardless) Add: Cecil Pinto !/? NO? Cheers, Gabe. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]LET'S HAVE PEACE -a song
Dear Basilio Magno, At least Rui Manuel Collaco has clearly stated that he is a Mocambique-born,Portuguese national now living in Portugal and that Portuguese is his mother tongue.[Please read his posts again,if you like].I am happy to come across a man like him who is clear who he is. We may disagree on other points,but we cannot disagree on this. I cannot say the same about the thing called Bernado Colaco aka Xac. When Rui is clear who he is,why do you want to call him a Goan and impose Konkani on him.It will be the reverse of what the Goa-born confused nationals used to do when they told their children,"Nao falla nossa lingua." Amchi bhas uloi naka. Portuguese is a nice language.Why should Rui not speak his mother tongue and be proud of it? The new generation Goans proudly write that English is their mother tongue after the official [GSB]konkani has given them a complex about their knowledge of their mother tongue.And mothers have begun speaking English at home so that their children are not at sea in Standard V,the transition year from Konkani medium to English medium of instruction in school. Your Roman script Konkani is not legal tender here in Goa. Your children in Spain may love Konkani you write; our children study the official konkani in devnagri script as a foreign language in Goa.It is not 'Amchi Bhas'.Even I had to learn the official version in the post-1987 era. Even the nouns are different["motorcycle" becomes "danv'shirem"]It was like a shift from Windows 3.0 to the Windows ME---software not compatible. I am with you in the peace appeal. I won't sing,I may be blamed if it rains after the croaking! Warm regards, Miguel - Original Message - From: "Magno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 12:11 AM Subject: [Goanet]LET'S HAVE PEACE -a song > > Hi Goanetters, > In the face of the war of words raging on Goanet lately regarding subjects > that ought not to have appeared on the Net > like bashing Christian religion, insulting a Portuguse Goan > calling 'quisling', maliciously calling Indian-Goans 'Bharatis' > etc, permit me to sing to you my song of Peace. Afterall we are all Goans, be British, German, Portuguese, Indian. > or of any other nationality. What matters is that we are > Goans and our Motherlongue is Konkani. Basilio Magno (Spain) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 8/28/2003 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]COLUMN: Oh, why do most people so dislike snakes?
Rahul Alvares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OH, WHY DO MOST PEOPLE SO DISLIKE SNAKES? By Rahul Alvares I have always been rather fond of snakes. I have been chasing them ever since I was a kid. My parents therefore let me take a year off from school in order to help me improve my knowledge about these reptiles. During that free year I traveled around the country learning snake handling with Neelimkumar Khaire at the Pune Snake Park and Rom Whitaker and the Irula tribe at Madras Crocodile Bank. Most people on the other hand dislike snakes. I have found, however, that the biggest crowd drawers are always invariably snakes. Whenever I have gone snake-catching in someone's house or compound, neighbors, housewives, passers-by and children spontaneously gather around. All claim they detest snakes or are terrified of them. Yet everyone of them without exception sits glued to the show, assiduously watching the proceedings. And if I have to handle a snake near a road, then bikes, cars and even passenger buses will halt to catch a glimpse of the snake catching session in progress. What is it that makes reptiles in general -- and snakes in particular -- so loathed and feared yet so morbidly fascinating as well? What place do snakes occupy in nature's scheme of things and within our society today? Most people look upon snakes as dangerous, poisonous, slimy, revengeful and -- most important -- associated in some way with the supernatural. One source for these feelings is pure superstition passed down from one generation to the next. The second is movies, originating from both Bollywood and Hollywood. Though Bollywood usually makes snakes into heroes, they encourage people to believe that snakes can perform outrageous feats such as opening door handles by coiling around them, drinking milk when offered to them, protecting vulnerable heroines and chasing villains, and most famous of all -- approaching beens when they are played by the actors. The myth about beens is so firmly entrenched in people that I remember my neighbors actually turning down their T.V volumes during these been playing scenes, fearful that the sound would bring snakes into the house! Street-side snake charmers prey upon these fears for their trade. Hollywood movies are equally bad. One old famous movie is 'The Black Stallion'. The first scenes show a boy and a black horse stranded on an island. The boy is sleeping exhausted on the sand, after having survived a storm. Suddenly a snake is shown approaching the boy -- obviously to harm him -- when the horse appears in the nick of time and stomps the snake to death. The movie 'Anaconda' was a joke. Anacondas don't grow that big, they don't chase people -- since they are very heavy they move very slowly -- and they are never that vicious and bloodthirsty. My father recently was watching a movie called 'Out of Towners', about a township coming up on a nest of rattle-snakes. He found it creating so many negative feelings in him about the snakes that he soon turned it off. India has loads of myths about snakes. I am going to call attention to only two to three which I believe to be the most notorious. The first is that snakes -- cobras especially -- are vengeful creatures. Kill or harm a snake and its mate will track you down over thousands of miles and years of time to finally find you and pay back. Nothing could be further from the truth. Snakes have a very small brain used only for their instinctual life. They lack the capacity to remember or even distinguish one human from another. Secondly, snakes are petrified of humans. Even the much dreaded cobra is a coward and will raise its hood only when frightened or severely provoked. During my eight years of snake catching I have released hundreds of snakes right behind my house -- with their teeth intact. None of them has ever returned to harm me. Another myth concerns Nag Panchami and snake charmers. This year we celebrated the festival on 2 August. Every year, according to Maneka Gandhi, sixty to seventy thousand snakes die in Maharashtra and neighboring states during this festival alone. Cobras and other poisonous snakes have their fangs pulled out and their mouths bruised and smashed beyond repair. These snakes are then taken from door to door by snake charmers, their mouths forced open and milk poured down their throats. Milk is not snake food. It is more like a poison for them; it has adverse effects on them, choking them, causing lung infections and finally death. I find it amazing that adults who pride themselves on their capacity for rational thought blindly accept such practices. Just ask yourself, where in the wild would a snake get milk to drink? Snakes do not produce milk. They do not feed milk to their young ones. Nor will any cow tolerate a snake's sharp teeth round one of its udders. Yet the entire Indian population is firmly mired in the belief that snakes must be fed milk! By the way, though I have used the word snake 'charmer', in actual
Re: [Goanet]Teotonio de Souza for Goa meet.
> > >> Colonial rule ended here, unlike in the case of the > British and French-ruled > colonies, with bitterness. The recalcitrant > Portuguese left only after > Indian troops marched into Goa. > Macau was handed over to China via diplomatic means. I guess the chinese do things differently. > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Congratulations to Roland
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 09:38:53 +0530, "George menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" wrote: Dear Netters First time I am writing to Goanet. A good job is being done. I want to congratulate Roland Martins for the Award he richly deserves George menezes Have a happy and enjoyable Ganesh Chaturthi ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]The Brits are coming!
> Poor British tourists. It is the poor tourists who come by charters and are > actually a burden on our limited infrastructure without contributing > anything significant to our GDP. Charter Tourism is just another form of > Neo-colonialism: it takes more from India than it gives. So you do not want charter tourists because they do not spend enough. Would you rather have high-spending tourists who live in the 5-star resorts and need the golf courses and casinos? At least some of the money spent by the charter tourists goes towards the local economy. Strange that the desi tourists frequently complain that they are ignored in hotels and restaurants in favour of the lavish tipping and free-spending charter tourists And what do the Goa Goans do when they visit UK? They will not spend! They try to bum off remote acquaintances in the UK - the same acquaintances they would not dream of inviting to their homes in Goa for even a cup of tea! Perhaps the UK Govt. should only grant visitors visas to those who have prepaid five star hotels and limos booked. What say you? So what would you rather have in Goa? Or is it just another case of having your cake and eating it and selling it? Of course, it is difficult to generalise and some charter tourists behave atrociously. In this week's issue of Goan Voice UK I have quoted several such instances. But there are also those who build bridges on their return to the UK. Travel broadens the mind and many of us would like to see greater movement of peoples to ease nationalistic tensions. Multiculturalism is here to stay in the UK. If only people in Goa could be as broadminded and less bigoted! Eddie Fernandes ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Goa's social indicators
I know that "Gilbert" on the net is Dr.Gilbert Lawrence. Is the "Rui
*Miranda* Collaco" on [EMAIL PROTECTED] the same as the "Rui *Manuel*
Collaco" on [EMAIL PROTECTED] who asks Gilbert, "why don't people
identify themselves on Goanet?"
The Portuguese tradition of giving the hapless infant a 'litany' instead of
a 'name' leaves customs officials in most countries breathless while
confirming the identity of the traveller[ I am one victim of this
tradition].Is Rui getting confused about the three names he chose to use--or
are there two of a kind from Lisbon on the net?
As for the statistics,I will only quote Benjamin Disraeli{then PM of UK}:
"There are three kinds of lies: lies,damned lies and statistics"
Nothing different in India or Portugal.Even in UK ,they recently 'sexed up'
data on Iraq!All is fair in love and war.So what if Dr.Kelly died
'mysteriously' for stating the truth?
We are better off in Goa now than in 1961.In Portugal people may be still
better off than us.Let them rejoice in their progress as we do in ours.
Goans do not preach to the Portuguese[white skinned or otherwise] how to
keep up with the Brits.We do not want to be preached at either.If they feel
we are not as well off as they are, let them send us Euros instead of futile
postings on goanet. Let the Portuguese conduct their debate on their own net
groups[start a new one if there isn't one to accommodate all the 'Goa
experts' in that country].Goanet is not for Portuguese hegemony. Those days
are long past, placed in the non-biodegradable garbage dump of history! Rui
will understand this;it is beyond the level of a bigot like Bernado.
VIVA GOA ! JAI HIND!!
Miguel
- Original Message -
From: "Rui Collaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goa's social indicators
> Can anyone see sarcasm in my text? I fail to see where.
But I am no expert in English, it's an alien language
> to me which I rarely speak, my mother tongue is Portuguese.
>
>* Rui Miranda Collaço*
>
> Lisbon
If you stood on the soil of Goa in 1960and again in 2000, and saw the all
round improvement of all socialparameters, I can assure you that we would
not be having this debatein the first place.
regards,
Gilbert--and thats my name.
> >
> >
> >--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Rui Collaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Inaccuracies or deliberate misinformation should not pass on
> >Goanet. That's my "agenda". The figures on Goa's social indicators given
by
> >"Gilbert" (*why don't people identify themselves on Goanet?*), seemed
very good to
> >me, for a third world region
> > > One last bit of info: Portugal's rate was 53 in 1970, and is now 5.The
> > > U.K.'s is 6. That's in the United Nations Human Development
Report-2003.
> > * Rui Manuel Collaço*
> > >
> > > Lisbon
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RE: [Goanet]Goa's social indicators
Hi Miguel, Some more info on Portugal's social indicators: The latest figures on life expectancy has now gone up to 79,5%. The death rate at child birth and upto 5 years has been reduced by 22,6% since 1961. Kind regards Bernado Colaço Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goa Tourism to face hazards of beach safety & the jaundice epidemic
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- - Blot on Tourism - The twin hazards of safety on our beaches and the jaundice epidemic are casting a shadow on the opening of the new tourist season this year. If you look at the nature of the problem, these two hazards are at the heart of Goa's tourism industry. Tourists come to Goa to visit the beaches and enjoy Goan food. When these two things pose a threat to life, tourists, especially Westerners are likely to avoid Goa. The hotel and restaurant associations in Goa should set up their own standards for the eating places grading them depending on the food & facilities offered. Apart from the insistence on maintaining hygiene and cleanliness in each of these establishments, there should be a monitoring cell within the association which will periodically review the licenses and grade of the eating place. Today's world is moving towards liberalisation where self-discipline is an important attribute. Hence voluntary compliance to certain basic standards is desirable. Similarly, the hotels located along the beaches should be made responsible for a certain stretch of the beach in terms of the cleanliness, upkeep and safety of tourists. Prominent signs displaying safety information, standardised in content and format by the tourism department should be put up at vantage points along the beach with provision of trained life-guards with high chairs to the number as defined by international standards. The costs of these facilities could be borne by the hotels or the hotel associations themselves. The idea being that if these facilities are privatised and given to those who are likely to benefit from them, it is expected that the facilities will be up and running smoothly. Around the world, the government's role is more of a facilitator rather than that of a provider of services. S KAMAT, Alto Porvorim in a letter to the Editor -- The Navhind Times 3/9/03 -- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Colonial Fervor or Reality Check for Goa.
Dear Liladhar, For a change,there is some good information from Bernado,albeit with a generous dose of his 'masala'. There has been a halfhearted attempt at reviving journalism in Portuguese through the bi-lingual magazine 'Casa e jardin'[Home and Garden].Like the bi-lingual O Heraldo[during its dying moments,before it was resurrected as oHERALDo in English],it does not evoke interest from readers from either language. Books in Portuguese have been published. One issue about the bygone days has been published last year by Manuel Noronha in Panaji. It is a good book to read. Portuguese is taught in schools,higher secondaries and colleges.About 10% of Goans can either speak or understand Portuguese. Those who learn Portuguese in school,do not necessarily learn to speak.Those who speak at home need not necessarily be able to read and write. It is not mutually exclusive,either. The Goa University has been handicapped by the choice of teachers. Staff funded by one Fundacao or the other and loaned to the University is not necessarily good for its health. One of them was so eccentric in her teaching[nice person ,otherwise]that at least two students have received their results after intervention by the High Court. Others have not been so lucky.If I am not mistaken,there is no teaching staff and no students of that subject at the post-graduate level in Goa. I know that at least one Indian,Dr.B.S.Shastry(later Head of History Dept),who studied Portuguese during his teaching career to be able to translate old documents and understand the history of pre-1961 Goa. Many Goans have been [and are] fluent in the language. Just a few weeks back the old laws on 'succession' have been transand his team.lated by fellow Rotarian and eminent lawyer Adv.Manohar S.Usgaocar and his team. For statistics,you can contact Fundacao Oriente,Panaji-Goa, and Goa University. Miguel Braganza - Original Message - From: "Bernado Colaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet]Colonial Fervor or Reality Check for Goa. > Hi Liladhar, > > The Estado da India was annexed or invaded by india. > Documents from the UN say so. Also the indian > constitution has the word annexed written in it. > Recently the RBI web site also mentions the word > annexed. There was no plebiscite whatsoever, and this > coming from the largest democracy in the world. > > As for Portuguese being spoken in Goa it is a mere > trickle. The main reason is the indian puppeteers > called the Maharastra Wadi Gomantak Party under the > leadership of a half Portuguese made every attempt to > clear the vestiges of Portuguese colonialism. > Democracy brought in sectarism, he spread Marathi via > the Bhaujan Samaj, English and Hindi were brought in > overnight. Portuguese was thrown out of the window > after 19/December/1961. The laws governing land etc > are in Portuguese, its interpretations are a mess. A > few newspapers circulated namely O Heraldo (Oldest > Portuguse newspaper in Asia) Diario da Noite, Ressurge > Goa, and Luta for a few years and died a natural death > because of the lack of readership. The only > publication alive in Goa is a Catholic religious > calender called the Almanac de Parede which this year > completes a century and also names the hindus > festivals. > > Portuguese is spoken mainly by the pre-invasion > generation. Salcete is the district which has greater > number of the populace speaking the Luso language. It > has produced lumanaries such as Amadeu Prazeres the > Editor of O Heraldo. The upper hindus (older > generation) are/were very proficient in the language. > > > In 1975 the Socialist Government in Portugal > established diplomatic links with india (interest in > EU market)and handed over on a platter its > sovereignity of EIP. A deal was made to also start > cultural relations. In the early 90's a Portuguese > Foundation, Fundação Oriente arrived in Goa and began > sponsoring Goan writers and artists and renovating > cultural sites etc. Portuguese is today taught at the > Goa University. The Portuguese administration in Macau > had sponsored many a Goan and Indian for their summer > short courses. > > Lastly as for Portugal benefiting from EIP, please > note that they had Angola, Mozambique etc. Portugal is > the poor relation in Europe. > > Today Goa has propped up India via the sale of iron > ore, toursim and remittance from Goans working in the > gulf. Even the profits from our port Marmagoa have > been transfered to develop other ports such as Pradeep > etc. For all this we stand part of a third world > country. > > Kind regards > > Colaço > > P.S. You will find some oldies on this list defending > Indian rule over Goa. These are the chaps who > participated in the downfall of Goa. > > > > > > > > --- "Liladhar R.Pendse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I am in total agreement with Mr.Colaco's argument. > > > Of course the > > > internal migration in India re
[Goanet]New website www.geocities.com/rahulsnakesite
Dear Friends I have just done up my new site. Milind my brother did it for me and it looks fabulous. All my articles, books and pictures are on the site. Do have a look! http://www.geocities.com/rahulsnakesite Best Wishes Rahul Alvares ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]GOA:Citizens question - How many barking dogs must one tolerate?
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- -- Barking dogs seldom bite! But how many can one keep? -- Can a person keep as many dogs as he wants, even at the cost of disturbing his neighbours with the dogs' hysterical barking?It appears so, as there is no lawful restriction on the number of dogs a person can keep, nor is there any adequate mechanism in place to keep a check on the nuisance caused by excessive barking. Take a situation wherein you live in an apartment building, and your neighbour is the proud owner of 5-6 dogs, who are rather fond of growling and barking hysterically through the night. No doubt this non-stop cacophony is music to the ears of the owner, but what can you do? (This situation is not uncommon as it sounds, even in the heart of Panjim). The answer is - very little. This is because primarily, there is no restriction what so ever on the number of dogs a person can keep, whether he stays in the village, or in the city; in an isolated bungalow miles removed from any human contact or in a crowded apartment block. Says Sanjit Rodrigues, the commissioner of the City of Panaji Corporation, "Although the law provides that pet dogs have to be registered and licensed, there is no law which puts a ceiling on the number of dogs a person can keep". So if a person wants to keep 10 dogs in a flat in the city, he is well within his legal rights to do so or so it seems. A senior bureaucrat of the Department of Animal Husbandry and Veterinary Services says that at the most the housing co-operative society can incorporate a relevant clause into its Bye-laws restricting the number of dogs a person can keep, thus preventing the problem, provided the Bye-Laws do not violate the provisions of the State Co-operative Societies Act. When a complaint is lodged, either at the police station or at the respective civic body, it is ultimately referred to the Executive Magistrate to take action under the appropriate section. The section routinely followed is that of section 133 of the Criminal Procedure Code. Section 133 of the Criminal Procedure Code deals with public nuisances. However this section provides only for nuisance caused due to a dangerous animal. Section 133 (1) (f) states "Whenever a District Magistrate or Sub-Divisional Magistrate or any other Executive Magistrate specially empowered in this behalf by the State Government, on receiving the report of a police officer or other information and on taking such evidence (if any) as he thinks fit, considers that any dangerous animal should be destroyed, confined or otherwise disposed of", he can issue an order to "destroy, confine or dispose of such dangerous animal in the manner provided in the said order". Says S P Pilarnkar, the Mamlatdar of Tiswadi, who is also the Executive Magistrate, "If the barking can be proved to be dangerous, then action can be taken", giving the example of excessive barking near a hospital. In such a situation, the complainant has to make out his case that this barking does indeed constitute a public nuisance, as made out under section 133 of the Criminal Procedure Code. However, in the last three years, Pilarnkar says that no such complaint has been received by any Executive Magistrate in Tiswadi. Norma Alvares, animal activist, and member of the Animal Welfare Board, is of the opinion that this is a problem which has to respond mainly to social pressure, as the barking of the dog is natural and definitely does not violate the law. "There is no law that barking per se is a nuisance", she says. She agrees with other authorities that there is no restriction on the number of dogs a person can own. Instead, she puts the onus on the owner of the dogs to stop their dogs from barking and disturbing others.As the barking of ten dogs in unison definitely disturbs the public, it is surprising that there is no law in place to deal with this problem, or if there is one, none of the enforcing authorities appear to be aware of it. A reason why the lay man does not appear to take the initiative to try and solve this nuisance could be because most streets have their full quota of strays, all displaying their lung power. Says a resident from Margao, "Before we think about taking action because of the barking caused by the pet dogs, what do we do about the barking of stray dogs? These dogs bark throughout the night." This feeling of helplessness where the stray dog barking is concerned is mirrored everywhere, as the stray dog population does not seem to be noticeably decreasing in a number of places. The general consensus appear
[Goanet]Re: Lairai and historical facts
In a message dated 9/2/2003 1:01:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >To them 'Milagres Saibinn' is Tulzai,the twin sister of Lairai[the >presiding deity of Sirigao,near Asnora, famous for its fire-walkers] > Miguel, Thanks for reminding me about Lairai. We met this nice Goan lady (not Lairai) at the Goa Day celebrations in Houston, who kept asking us about the famous Hindu Goddess Larrayya. We were utterly stumped by her question. Last I heard about Lairai was as a 10 year-old, when I was told by my uncle that he would take me to see the Dhonds walking on fire, which he never did. Later, when I found out how the fire-walking deal works, I lost interest. Besides, I was able to witness such a feat in Chorao, right across the road from my parents' temporary home. > >I am not that old--and historians did not record facts,they recorded >what they understood of the happenings,perhaps like the ten blind men >from hindoostan. > Miguel, How can you say such a thing? Don't you know that the sacred texts have absolutely accurate historical facts recorded in them? Eminent historians on Goanet have stated this categorically time and again. Don't you have any respect for their views? Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Making Goanet a little more of a tidier place...
WE GRUMBLE about the growing filth in urban Goa, but what about that which
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[Goanet]Immigrants to the UK wishing to become British .............
BBC on Line Immigrants to the UK wishing to become British will have to take part in special language and citizenship classes from next year. Under major proposals unveiled by the government, anyone wanting to become a UK citizen must show an understanding of the language and the law. Applicants would sit an exam at the end of the course, likely to be on a similar level to a driving test. Failure would not affect their residency status but would prevent applicants from gaining a British passport and the right to vote. The system has been drawn up by a team of citizenship and nationality experts led by Professor Sir Bernard Crick, Home Secretary David Blunkett's former university tutor. Is a 'Britishness test' a good idea? ..Yes What would the test achieve? 00 Posted by - rene barreto 00 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goa v/s Other Portuguese colonies...
Of late I have seen many rancourous exchanges on how good Portugal is. Goa's colonization by Portugal is now a matter for the History books and cannot be changed. I was just wondering whether or not Portugal really did a whole lot for all of its colonies. I had read that Angola and Mozambique were resourcefully richer than Goa. Except for Goa and Macau, most other major Portuguese colonies have hardly progressed. Perhaps Goa and Macau were the only two, that progressed as they had fairly advanced civilizations that were older than the occupying power itself. Some history buff can perhaps dwell into this issue. Nagesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]RE: COLACO
> Macau was handed over to China via diplomatic means. I > guess the chinese do things differently. Response : It is most unfortunate that you choose to compare Macau with Goa. First and foremost there is a huge gap in time, political considerations changed tremendously over the period of time. The British had acceded Hong Kong first, you are being pedantic to even imagine that the Portuguese could have and would have held on to Macau. Yes you didn't say it but the inference is there. You and our erstwhile Portuguese supporters know that Portugal was bankrupted supporting their wars, in vain, in Mozambique and Angola. They could not remain in Angola even though that country possesses vast mineral wealth. Portugal would have continued to remain a poor backward country had it not been for entry into the E.E.C. I am not a Portugal basher, simply stating my observations. It is my firm belief that, say in 25 years time the economic engine will have moved to Asia and in particular China and India. At the time of the Indian March into Goa, I firmly believe that most Catholic families was shocked and dismayed - including the vast majority of Catholic Goans overseas. Inevitably it was time for Goa to come back into the fold of a larger India, same as Hong Kong and Macau into the fold of China. Many comparisons are drawn as to the huge surplus of Macau. I can categorically tell you that the vast majority of the people in the Casinos in Macau are from Hong kong. I lived in Honk Kong so I am talking from my personal observations. It is nothing to do with the acumen or lack it, of the Portuguese that Macau was successful, by that same token the British acknowledge that the success of Hong Kong to a huge extent is because of the Industrious Chinese. Get real man! if there was no prosperous Hong Kong, then Macau with or without the casinos would have been a back water. I worked for an American Bank that was approached to shift on a daily basis the millions of Hong Kong dollars back to Hong Kong. If one worked for Hang Seng Bank, Stanchart or HSBC then one would see what keeps Macau ticking over. I think it is time to call it a day on Portugal vs. Goa/India, Yes many are vying for a Portuguese Passport but the vast majority are ending up in Swindon, England! Not up the hill in Cascais! Cheers, Gabe Menezes ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]A 40-year reunion Kenya school grads gather here
From: http://www.mississauga.com/mi/people/v-smart_template/story/1302748p-1549381c.html JOSEPH CHIN Sep 3, 2003 Mississauga is an unlikely place to hold a Kenya high school reunion. But then, much about Dr. Ribeiro Goan High School is unlikely. For starters, all the students were once Goans; this in a school that's located in Nairobi, one of Africa's largest cities. Then there's the fact most graduates, circa 1963, by now have scattered across the globe, including many in Canada. So, when you think about it, Mississauga is probadly as good a place as any to hold a reunion. At least, Agnes Rocha thinks so. "I'm one of the organizers, so I might as well have it in my own backyard," said the 56-year-old grandmother, who's been living here for 33 years. The "I Can't Believe It's 40 Reunion" takes place Sept. 12 and Rocha expects about 30 old classmates, some coming from as far away as Australia and the U.K., to attend. "Dr. Ribeiro was a special place for us," said Rocha. "The time we spent there were some of the happiest days of our childhood." Certainly, they will not lack for things to reminisce about, because the Class of '63 marked the end of an era. They were the last to know the school as it once -- uniquely -- was. "All the students were Goans living in another country. Because of that we had a special bond," said Rocha. Goa is a state on the west coast of India, and was a Portuguese colony until 1961. In the mid-1940s, Goans began immigrating to Kenya. "They were brought over by the then British rulers to fill positions in government," said Rocha. Her father worked in the finance department as an accountant. Rocha was born in Kenya. The Goans were upper class, and having their own exclusive, elite school reflected that status. "Yes, looking back it was a form of segregation, but we were too young to know it then," said Rocha. "It was the only way we knew." That world changed forever when Kenya gained independence in 1963, the same year Rocha and her chums graduated. Dr. Ribeiro was immediately open to everybody. Most young Goans eventually immigrated to other, mostly western, countries. But they will never forgot Kenya and their school. "It will always be a part of us," said Rocha. Through a chance encounter with a former classmate, she got the idea to organize a reunion. Since then, there has been two, the first in 1994 and the second in 2000. Both were held in Mississauga. "This year marks 40 years since we graduated. We couldn't let it go by without getting together," Rocha said. _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]UK BAE Systems wins India jets deal
BAE Systems wins India jets deal Negotiations for the Hawk have gone on for more than a decade India has awarded a $1.7bn contract to supply trainer fighter jets to the UK company, BAE Systems. The decision was taken at a meeting of the cabinet's security committee chaired by Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee. BAE Systems, formerly known as British Aerospace, has agreed to supply 66 Hawk jets in a deal that has taken years to negotiate. The Indian Government has come under severe criticism for a series of jet crashes caused by pilot error. BAE Systems said the deal would safeguard more than 2,000 jobs at its factory in northern England. The Hawk beat a rival bid from a state-run Czech firm. "The decision fulfils the long-standing needs of the Indian Air Force," Defence Secretary Ajay Prasad told reporters in Delhi. One of the major factors in its favour is its reliability and the experience of so many countries that are using these trainers Indian Defence Secretary Ajay Prasad He said India would buy 24 Hawks outright and build the rest under BAE licence in the southern city of Bangalore. Delivery, he said, would begin three years after the signing of the contract, which has still to take place. Mr Prasad said all 66 aircraft were expected to be with the Indian Air Force "within the next six years". In the interim, some Indian pilots will receive training in the UK. Negotiations over the possible British sale of Hawk jets to India have been going on for over a decade. Delhi badly needs new jet fighters and trainer aircraft to reduce the high rate of flying accidents in its air force. This is not only great news for BAE Systems but also for the manufacturing capability and aerospace industries of the UK The Indian air force started looking for an advanced jet trainer for its newly qualified pilots in 1985. The BBC's Adam Mynott in Delhi says the litany of crashes since is evidence of how much they are needed. There have been more than 30 crashes involving the main Indian jet, the Russian-made MiG-21 fighter in the past year. Over the past decade, 170 MiGs have been lost - almost all to pilot error. Our correspondent says that, at present, young Indians emerge from training school with little or no advanced jet training and go straight into the cockpit of a MiG-21. As the number of dead pilots has climbed the Indian Government has faced growing criticism over the delay in finding a suitable training aircraft. The contract is good news for BAE Systems workers. The company said the deal would safeguard 2,200 jobs at its plant at Brough in East Yorkshire, as well as thousands of posts at supplier firms. BAE chief executive Mike Turner said he was "delighted". "This is not only great news for BAE Systems but also for the manufacturing capability and aerospace industries of the UK and is a reflection of the support given by the UK Government in this bid." It is thought that UK Prime Minister Tony Blair pushed the case for BAE during meetings with senior Indian leaders. Negotiations were bogged down by the issue of price. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Making Goanet a little more of a tidier place...
At 12:24 AM 9/4/03 +0530, you wrote: Goanet currently comes out in three formats -- Goanet (a lot of postings each day, but easier for you to take part in discussions as they unfold... specially useful for heavy-duty Goanetters), Goanet-Digest (a lot less of clutter in your mailbox; you don't miss any posting, but all comes bunched up in the form of 'digests'), and Goanet-News (a slim, trim version largely of news-summaries and a few add-ons, max of two posts every day). If you like to change your subscription options, let us know. FN Could you keep me to minimum posting rcpts? As in the Goanet News. Thanks! A new lurker, A. Doraiswami ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Portugal's shame.
Kindly long on to the site below, which says it all http://www.ocs.mq.edu.au/~leccles/speech1.html Best regards, Gabe Menezes ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Goa's social indicators
From: Miguel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:19:12 +0530 We are better off in Goa now than in 1961.In Portugal people may be still better off than us.Let them rejoice in their progress as we do in ours. Goans do not preach to the Portuguese[white skinned or otherwise] how to keep up with the Brits.We do not want to be preached at either.If they feel we are not as well off as they are, let them send us Euros instead of futile postings on goanet. Let the Portuguese conduct their debate on their own net groups[start a new one if there isn't one to accommodate all the 'Goa experts' in that country].Goanet is not for Portuguese hegemony. Those days are long past, placed in the non-biodegradable garbage dump of history! Rui will understand this;it is beyond the level of a bigot like Bernado. VIVA GOA ! JAI HIND!! Miguel -- Miguel: Just so you know - I fully support what you say. Just because we, "the silent majority" do not actively contribute to this debate, does not mean we do not have a point of view. We just do not have the same stamina as the Xacs and Ruis of this world. I just wish they could do something more productive with all that energy! Tim de Mello CANADA _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]BAE Aircraft
Folks, We used to operate the BAE146 small commercial aviation jets into San Francisco International Airport. We used to refer to them as Hangar Hounds - we joked that they were so often need of repair that they could land and find their way into the maintenance hangars by themselves. Then they just operated from maintenance base to maintenance base, we wouldn't fly them into an airport which didn't have mechanics trained to fix them. One sad afternoon one was lost over central California, brought down by a disgruntled employee who bypassed security with a gun and shot the pilots, and with a friend of mine on board to boot. :-((( Ah, the glamorous world of Civil Aviation. Not. Viviana C Fernandes wrote: BAE Systems wins India jets deal ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Goa's social indicators -- implications / applications?
--- "Teotonio R. de Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Compensation or something similar / restoration is > not just a third world > demand. > The Greeks are demanding their art treasure back > from England, and recently > a prominent Portuguese writer-politician demanded > that France return the art > pieces > they robbed during their occupation of Portugal in > the Napoleonic era. > The Portuguese seem to have forgotten that some (say > the Museu de Arte > Antiga > or Museu de Etnologia) of their most valuable > museums would be empty > if they were to return what they ransacked from > India / Asia or African > colonies. --- Does Portugal have any major holdings of treasures from Goa/India? I recall, much was returned a few years ago. In any case I cant imagine what items of value the Portuguese could have taken out of Goa! I am obviously not an expert on the historical events and wish not to pass judgement on the cultural impact of Portugal's rule. However from an economic point of view, it seem to me that Goa's average standard of living was significantly higher than the rest of India's in 1961. > Just for the sake of an argument (most un-tactical > surely!) and admitting > the indicators of currect or projected growth > suggested below, > would some of the former colonizers in India / China > would be better > off under these giants of the near future!? Possibly > the EU would reject > outright such a thought? --> Never say never. Unless europe fixes its demographics, it has a timebomb in its hand. The aging population profile in Europe could result in its gradual economic, cultural and social decline. Unless it can increase its population growth rate, it will need to dramatically open up its society to immigration from the rest of the world. Reverse colonialization if you will. Marlon ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Exchange Rates - Sep 2/2003
On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 03:45:57 +0530, simon carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anybody having old Iraqi currency (pre-invasion of Kuwait) and interested to sell please contact me. Simon Carvalho Have a happy and enjoyable Ganesh Chaturthi ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]What can Goans use the Net for really?
WIRED.ORG: NONPROFITS AND NGOs WORK THE WEB Wired.org is a four-day international virtual conference geared to nonprofit and nongovernmental organizations, socially responsible companies and educational institutions. Vision2Lead, Inc. and iCohere will host the conference September 16-19. Presenters from leading organizations such as TechSoup, CLEARCorps, Sohodojo and United Nations Volunteers will share experiences and ideas. Professionals, volunteers, educators and supporters of nonprofit and nongovernmental organizations from Belarus to Boston and Lima to Lexington will meet online to discuss issues their organizations face and strategic ways to use the Internet to address them. Since the conference is virtual, participants can take part in this online conference from their own locations at their own pace. Topics will include Communication and Community Building, Cross-sector Partnerships and Social Entrepreneurism, Managing Multi-site Organizations, Online Volunteering and Technology Planning. SOURCE: Vision2Lead; CONTACT: Janet Salmons http://www.icohere.com/wiredorg ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Teotonio de Souza for Goa meet.
Teotónio de Souza is "of Goan origin"? Or is he "Goan"? I am confused, but the "Times of India", or rather, its source, should know better... I expect to see pigs flying one of these days! From: "renebarreto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet]Teotonio de Souza for Goa meet. Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 07:12:03 -0700 WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3, 2003 THE TIMES OF INDIA Indo-Portuguese historians to meet in Goa IANS[ WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 03, 2003 "This was when official relations between Portugal and India were taking time to reach normalcy, despite the move of then Portuguese foreign minister (later president) Mario Soares, to recognise Goa's integration into India," says prominent Indo-Portuguese historian Teotonio de Souza, who is of Goan origin and is based in Lisbon. _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Rupee
Bosco D'Mello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > COMMENT: Almost every currency seems to have > weakened against the Indian Rupee in the last 3 > months. What's the deal ?? Can somebody explain > what is happening here ? Mervyn can you throw some light ? Bosco, Rest assured its not my handiwork that is causing the rupee to rise :-) In fact, its been a long time since I have traded currencies and as such, have no idea why the rupee is behaving the way it is. Mervyn Now if you want to talk stocks, check out TNX on Toronto. Its up 500% since I recomended it last year. MDN,T should produce similiar results. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Portugal's shame????
Portugal's shame? You could'nt have been more unfortunate in your choice of a title for your posting. I read the paper, which is fascinating, and indeed says it all, but not in the way you suggest. I suppose you didn't read it, I am almost sure of it. If you did read it, then one has to conclude that you did'nt understand a single line of the paper. In your unquenchable thirst for Portugal-bashing, your favourite pastime (perhaps your main activity), you read half a dozen lines and sent the site, presuming the author was another rabid lusophobe like you. Well, he's not. He is the first Australian that I heard about, having a good knowledge of East Timor. To Australia's shame (not Portugal's) he exposed the complete ignorance of his countrymen about their next-door neighbour, and defended the East Timorese leadership's option for Portuguese as their country's official language. He also denounces Australia's brand of lusophobia, and its meddling in Timor's internal affairs. We in Portugal know only too well that Australia has and still is waging a real war on Portuguese language and influence in East Timor. They know that a Portuguese-speaking Timor will be difficult to turn into a satellite country. The proud and wiseTimorese know of their giant neighbour's intentions and won't have any of it. Quite to the contrary, Portugal can only be proud of what it accomplished in East Timor. Look at the world map, Mr. Menezes, and then look at Portugal and at East Timor, see the distance that separates the two. Isn't it reason enough to be proud that the first nation of the third millenium, half way across the globe, has chosen Portuguese as its official language and is seeking closer ties with Portugal? Are you capable of understanding the true dimension of this fact, in spite of your lusophobia? When an entire people stand up and fight for 24 years against their "liberators", and prefer their former colonisers, is that reason to be ashamed or proud? You are a confused being. You are part of that breed of people that invariably pick up the "fait divers" (this is French language) but miss the essential, thus losing credibility. The paper was written in early 2000. A lot has taken place since then. Portugal has been doing its share. Close to 200 Portuguese language teachers were sent to East Timor by our Government, in addition to 1000 military and police personnel (the latter at the service of the UN), plus many other civil servants and experts. Private institutions are also helping. Cooperation with East Timor is worth close to 100 million a year (400 crore rupees). It is a huge sum for a small country like Portugal, but it is the only item of expenditure on which there is no cap, such is the importance of East Timor as a foreign policy priority. Timor certainly deserves every eurocent that it gets from Portugal! Rui Manuel Collaço Lisbon From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet]Portugal's shame. Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:24:30 +0100 Kindly long on to the site below, which says it all http://www.ocs.mq.edu.au/~leccles/speech1.html Best regards, Gabe Menezes ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## _ MSN Hotmail, o maior webmail do Brasil. http://www.hotmail.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: Fw: [Goanet]Konkani-English Dictionary
Romi Konkani-Englishint-ui shobdkosh kaddpacho assa hi ek chodd khoxechi gozal. Durem mhonttlear, Konkani bhaxent Adlo Korar (Old Testament) kaddpache kitem proitn choltat? Ani khoim to karobar cholta ti konnank tumkam khobor assa zalear amkam tem sangchem. Dev Borem Korum.Jaime DeMello. simon carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ho Devanagri Konkani-Inglish shobdkosh atam Romi Konkani-English-ui korunkzai mhunn Goembhor Kristi lokanchem mot asa. Tea xivai Kristi Goemkaranktacho zobor faido kaddunk zavcho nam. Hem Kam Pilar Seminaricho xapkannobhes borem korunk xokta. Devanagri Konkani - English Shobdkosh xaptoleanimPilar xapkanneachea odhikareank ache vhoir vichar korcho.Simon Carvalho- Original Message -From: "Jaime DeMello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Frederick Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:40 AMSubject: [Goanet]Konkani-English Dictionary> I just bought a Konkani(Devnagri script) to English dictionary today. Itis> titled, 'RAJHAUNS New Generation Konkani-English Illustrated Dictionary'> authored by Suresh J Borkar, Mukesh P Thali and Damodar K Ghanekar. I hasa> very interesting introduction which I thought I would forward on to> Goaneters. The authors make an excellent case for the Administration and> Education in Goa to be conducted solely in Konkani while recognizing the> need to master English as a language of business and technology worldwide.> The introduction appears in English and Konkani (Devnagri script). I have> typed up the introduction in English and attempted to re-write the Konkani> introduction in Romi script for those Goans not familiar with the Devnagri> script.>> Jaime.>> INTRODUCTION>> The liberation of Goa brought a message to Goans: they should run theirown> affairs. Under the Portuguese rule they were habituated to live a life> supported by others. They never felt that they could and should evolveways> of their own destiny. Liberation, however, has created, though slowly, a> sense of self-esteem and made them realize that they too, like others> elsewhere in India, could become masters of their own destiny.>> Though small, Goa today has become a full-fledged sate in its own right,> like any other state in the Union. For the first time in known history Goa> is being governed by Goans. Yet, due to centuries of slavish mentalitythey> are yet to reconcile to the fact that they can administer their land in> their own language.>> No proud people will ever allow its land to be administered in a foreign> language. Yet, to our dismay, we see the slavish mentality has not yetleft> their psyche. Nevertheless, we have a vision as so many in the past had,> that Goans will take pride in being Goans and administer their land in> Konkani. They vicissitudes through which Goa has passed since 1961 withsuch> landmark events as the Opinion Poll (1967), Official Language andStatehood> (1987) and inclusion of Konkani in the VIII schedule of the Indian> Constitution (1992) make us believe that the day is not too far.>> When the administration runs in one's language, collateral fieldsincluding> education will have to run in the same language. However, no state or> nation, big or small, can ignore the learning of English. It is in English> that we see today mind-boggling development in the fields of science and> technology. It will be suicidal not to master this language. Yet, thisfact> should not cloud our vision. No matter how strong and wide the influenceof> English is over the world today, there is one area where we must not make> any compromise. That area is our administration. It has to run in Konkani,> and under no circumstances English should be allowed to have any say init.>> Once this goal is set for ourselves and we are realistic about the> importance of English in our life, we will have to make provision for its> acquisition. It is here that we will have to take recourse to severalbooks> including dictionaries. Konkani-English dictionary of this nature willplay> its own specific role. Though this is the role that such dictionaries play> elsewhere in the world where states and nations run their governmentsthough> their own languages, in Goa due to the abnormality in which we live, wesee> today large section of people, though learning through English, struggleto> acquire it. We are sure this dictionary will definitely help them in the> process.>> It had been weighing on our minds for quite some time to compile thepresent> dictionary. However, due to various personal difficulties we could nottake> up the work in the right zeal. We are happy that we could do the job now.It> will be a consolation for us if the users of this dictionary are able to> benefit from our work.>> S J Borkar, M P Thali, D K Ghanekar>> >> NIVEDHAN>> Goem mekllem zaipasun goemkaramcher ek motthi zapsaldarki ieun poddli. Hea> adim Purtuguezamchea shekatlla astana, udorgotichea vegllea-vegllea> mollacher apnnem anik khas kitem korunk zai oshem goekarank disona
[Goanet]Birthdays on 4th & 5th Sept 2003
Wishing you all a very HAPPY BIRTHDAY on behalf of GoaNetters to 4-Sep Bryan Alvares Kuwait 4-Sep Yvette RodriguesUSA 4-Sep Joyce SimoesIndia 4-Sep Jimmy & Mabel Fernandes 5-Sep Travis Jude BraganzaGoa/Kuwait Thanks, Vincente. NOTE: Please send your Birthday's details for those who haven't done so far to the following e-mail address([EMAIL PROTECTED]) with subject as Birthday/Birthday details as per below format. Birth Day/Month NameBirth/Current Place _ Try MSN Messenger 6.0 with integrated webcam functionality! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_webcam ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Goa v/s Other Portuguese colonies...
Sri Naguexa, Ask the Americans, South Africans, the Russians and the Cubans. Or deal into the aspects of forced decolonization. Please do not catagorize Macau with Goa. Thanks to the colonialist who built white washed churches, discovered the iron ore and built a port. Kind regards Colaco --- Nagesh Bhatcar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Of late I have seen many rancourous exchanges on how > good Portugal is. > Goa's colonization by Portugal is now a matter for > the History books and > cannot be changed. > > I was just wondering whether or not Portugal really > did a whole lot for all > of its > colonies. I had read that Angola and Mozambique were > resourcefully richer > than Goa. Except for Goa and Macau, most other major > Portuguese colonies > have hardly progressed. > > Perhaps Goa and Macau were the only two, that > progressed as they had > fairly advanced civilizations that were older than > the occupying power > itself. > Some history buff can perhaps dwell into this issue. > > Nagesh Bhatcar > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus > protection. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Is tourism in Goa a driving force for poverty alleviation,job creation & social harmony?
- WELCOME TO FRIDAY BALCAO - Dear Cybergaokars on GoaNet, We continue with FRIDAY BALCAO on 12th September from 4pm. to 6pm. at No. 11, Liberty Apartments, Feira Alta, Mapusa Goa Ph. 252660 TOPIC: Is tourism in Goa a driving force for poverty alleviation, job creation & social harmony? SPEAKER: Open Discussion moderated by Alito Siqueira, Sociology Dept., Goa University Those citizens wanting to contribute to the discussion at Friday Balcao but cannot attend may send their views and action plan suggestions by post to FRIDAY BALCAO Post Box 78, Mapusa 403 507 or by email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] best wishes, Roland Martins - Don't miss out on the discussion. Subscribe to the BALCAO Synopsis for Rs.80/- Gift subscribe for your relatives, neighbours and friends. Information is power, Share it equitably. Lets make things happen in Goa !! -- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
