[Goanet]Birthdays from 10th -11th Oct 2003
Wishing you all a very HAPPY BIRTHDAY on behalf of GoaNetters to 10-oct JOHNNY ALPHONSO Streatham Uk Wishing Johnny Alphonso of Streatham U.K a very happy birthday on the 10/10 he will be the big 50. With mog from Jane and Dylan (Streatham U.K) Mum Bella (Aldona) Mum Pricila. Sister in laws Annet, Margaret and brother in law Anthony Fernandes(Hayes UK) 10-Oct Joe Perry (joegoauk) 11-Oct Sameer Sarvate USA Thanks, Vincente. NOTE: Please send your Birthday's details for those who haven't done so far to the following e-mail address([EMAIL PROTECTED]) with subject as Birthday/Birthday details as per below format. Birth Day/Month NameBirth/Current Place _ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]GOA THE WAY FORWARD
Goa is so small yet we have abundant resources and no dearth of politicians either. Politicians who keep politicking round the clock and 365 days in a year. It is this politicking that is stalling Goa's progress and the rapid advancement we would have otherwise achieved. It is this politics that derails us from the path to prosperity. We need to have all the political debates and discussion at election time and then for five years work in togetherness with selfless zeal and a clear focused direction. All Political parties should be unambiguous on issues that concern the common good. There can be no denial that Corruption is the one issue that needs to be addressed by all. It is only good governance and transparency in the day to day functioning of every authority that will take us to our prized destination. All parties while securing their interests should first focus on what is best for the state and its long-term future. If the BJP could keep the communal elements within its cadres at bay and the Congress could clearly distance itself from the corrupt individuals within its ranks it would be a right recipe and things may look bright for this State of ours. And of course if the rest of the fringe parties wake up to the reality as to where they really stand it may help us in the long run to work in conjunction. In the United Kingdom for example the parties fight it out relentlessly at election time. Once the votes are counted all the parties have only one goal - the progress and development of their country. There is never politics of vengeance or retribution. Those in power and the ones in opposition try and build a consensus on most issues and work together towards the progress and development of their land. One good aspect there is that there are only three main political parties and Independents do not mushroom as they do in fertile Goa at election time. It may take time to develop our political system but we have to be optimistic and try hard. Goa could set the example and be a model state for the rest of the country. We will then be remembered for the right reasons and not for the frequent defections as in the not so distant past. Today and over the years Goa has advanced but we could have done much better. Goa has to remember that the Dempos, Salgaoncars, Chowgules,Timblos etc. have not only built their business empires but have also contributed their share to Goa's development. The educational institutions some of these industrialists have set up have gone a long way towards imparting academic impetus to our students. That most of the graduates produced by these institutions have not been provided a career avenue by the Government policies is a different issue. All parties have to resolve that all these foreign jaunts cannot be at public expense. It has to be ensured that any trips abroad including any cultural trips have to be sponsored events. The Government should get its priorities right. Paying the four crores owed to KLE hospital is a priority and extravagant expenses on trips abroad are unwarranted and unaffordable. The Government should do everything possible to avoid unnecessary expenditure in all quarters. Our coffers are empty and we have to go all out to rescue the exchequer. There has to also be a consensus to ensure that the bureaucracy gets its independence and its identity. It is a shame that officers over the years have been manipulated and tamed by the powers to be and that in fact the officers have no role to play except to dance to the tunes of those in power. Today due to the ground realities we cannot sympathise with the cry of the past, Goa for Goans. We have to think and march as Indians and live and let our fellow brothers feel at home in this very hospitable land of ours just as Goans in their thousands have made their homes in other parts of India. We have to work hand in hand to preserve and retain our secular fabric at all cost. Temples, mosques and Churches should be instruments for bringing people together rather than segregating us. Id, Diwali and Christmas should be occasions of joy and celebration to one and all regardless of caste and creed. Those in power should be able to relish and digest constructive criticism. To err is human so unless one is alerted one may not realise one's folly. Criticism should be taken in stride rather than something personal. Goa is indeed the India's best state to live in. We can only appreciate Goa's goodness once we go on a day trip to neighbouring Sawantwadi or even Karwar. Let alone the feelings you may have if you go to Bihar or Madhya Pradesh. It is these feelings that should give us the drive to further improve our State. Aires Rodrigues Ribandar Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ## # Send
[Goanet]RE: Goan Proverbs - original anim Translated
Goencho Munneo Hi all the contributors of the Goencho Munneo or Goan Proverbs. Great Job! Shows how productive Goans can be if we work together anim help each other. This is maximizing the benefits of cyberspace rather than those "going round in circles" arguments about some non-essentials. Regards, GL ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Krishi Mela
The Krishi Vignan Kendra [ Farmers' Training Centre] at ICAR Research Complex,Ela,Old Goa[opposite the Gregory's Petrol Pump] will hold a FIELD DAY [Krishi Mela] on Friday 17 October from 10.30 A.M. onwards. The Governor of Goa will be the Chief Guest at the inaugural function. The KVK conducts various training courses in appropriate technology for Goan farmers and general public alike. It also conducts field demonstrations. The ICAR Research complex has a number of scientists working on production problems in various crops. It also has a number of publications,both priced and free,on the crops. A visit to the complex on the ocassion of the Field Day will be well worth the while for someone interested in fruitcrops,flowers,organic farming, agriculture,EM,etc. Most of the Scientists,Project officers and Training Associates will be present at the complex on that day. Viva Goa. Miguel Braganza. Miguel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 10/6/2003 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Konkani Proverbs; flavour lost in translations!
Dear Goanetters,
There is wisdom in the saying,"Firingi bhaas,aadak maas!" even when speaking
about the language. It is as impossible to translate a local saying into a
foreign language and to still retain its flavour as,say, trying to get caju
feni without without the aroma but with the same flavour. Valmiki is
absolutely right. In a language,the flavour is in the nuances and the
inuendo.
Just try translating the all-time favourite of any harried/irritated soul in
God's Own Abode...SMP { XMP in Domnic's version below- 'Xenttar mar pirluk'}
and you will know what I mean.
"You can't have your cake and Edith,too" is nothing compared to the rich
flavour of
"- Nidui zai, ani f**-ui zai?" appropriately quoted by Domnic ,below! Don't
lose sleep over the translation...you can try the Kung-Fu,if properly
disposed. Check the rest of the sample selected from just one of the
approved postings of just one of the many contributors of konkani proverbs
to the goanet.
Amche bhaashek moron na! Deu dita, deumchar naddta!! Ani amkam zata
haskutleo!!!
Viva Goa.
Miguel
> Message: 4
> From: "domnic fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Goanet]Wisdom in Konkani Proverbs
> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:39:47 +0300
> It is a wonderful idea to compile a list of Goan Konkani Proverbs.
> - Deu dita, deumchar naddta
> - Ghoran noko maim maum, zanna soglo gaum
> - Rodtai konnanc, maimchea minddak, kha patoieo
> - Pottache bhukek, kazreachim follam
> - Nalkar-ui roddta ani tellkar-ui roddta
> - Bikareachea uxea pondak polli astoch teka jem poddonam
> - Padrea-ak nib ornamchem
> - Nachonk noko zalear, angonn vankddem
> - Tempa pormonnem, mateak kurponnem
> - Pott marun zot kelem, vagan khailem
> - Fator marun thau kaddop
> - Sangta tujem tond, aikota mojem bonk
> - Jiu aslear, bik magon khait
> - Kortolo korun guelo, sopear bosteleache andd kadle
> - Nidui zai ani f**-ui zai?
> - Nahtana nahli nagddi, nidtanam laili mandri
> - Xenttar mar pirluk
> - Nirmonn tem formonn
> Domnic Fernandes
> SAUDI ARAMCO, Dhahran, KSA
From: "Valmiki Faleiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Goanet]Wisdom in Goan Proverbs
> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:15:45 +0530
> Eddie,
>
> Don't even try loosely translating Konkani proverbs, those pearls of
> wisdom accumulated down generations. You'd lose the soul of
> those wisecracks.
> The rich Konkani language, on the other hand, has five (or seven?) -
> to describe every nuance of the term[sunrise]!
>
> Translation, though helpful for the uninitiated in the language, will
> certainly steal the soul of age-old Konkani proverbs. That's one reason
> I had referred to the Sirlim-Salcete Padre's book : the painfully-compiled
> originals in Konkani were gems, their translated counterparts lacked
> lustre - and soul, if I may say.
>
> Regards/Valmiki
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[Goanet]Konkani Proverbs....Translated ????
Dear Agnelo, As Valmiki has rightly pointed out earlier, translations are fraught with insufficiencies of the English language to express konkani thought. Absence of knowledge about the context is another area of concern.May be we should consult Dr.Olivinho Gomes,ex-H.O.D. of Konkani at Goa University and a voracious translator of prose and poems into Konkani[but not vice-versa, as far as I know]. We actually need a translator who knows the reverse process. Indeed,"ghoddo gelo ani hoti ailo".The smaller[problem] has gone and the gigantic one stares us in the face! > 3) Appurbai Ghara koddem, Nhuim Voddea koddem". " [Give]Preferential [Affectionate] treatment at home, not near the boat". voddi=boat,canoe that was used to cross the river before the era of the "ferry boats" and bridges in Goa. If you missed the boat trip because someone else was permitted to jump the queue and had to wait for hours till the next trip,you would understand the wisdom of this proverb! 20) "Ek jiv sada shiv." Remember Cliff Richard's song "Bachelor Boy" ? If you are a bachelor, you can always be a [casnova like the good lord] Shiv. Otherwise,"27) Aplem ghor, sothean (rights) mor." One can die with dignity in one's own home." You may have to face indignity in a foreign land or in the market place,but whether you are rich or poor,no one can take away your dignity in your own home! "Aplem ghor, sothean mor." This I believe. Keep the proverbs and sayings coming.Be careful...or you will be a fool ...to try a translation. Viva Goa. Miguel Message: 13 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:05:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Agnelo Mascarenhas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet]Some Goan proverbs translated 1."ghoddo gelo, hoti ailo." literal: a horse departs, an elephant arrives. context: reporting verbatim without applying one's mind. spreading rumors. my guesses on some ... > 3) Appurbai Ghara koddem, Nhuim Voddea koddem". literal: show appreciation at home, not the village.*vaddo = a settlement.* > 8) Padrinche sermao vhoneik nhuim' literal: the priest's sermon is not for your sister-in-law. > 20) Ek jiv sada shiv *you live once, but god Shiv lives forever.smartha-ish proverb ?* > 27) Aplem ghor, sothean (rights) mor. it's one's own house, die *by oneself.*here sothean is unlikely to be "rights", but is probably svata = self. the *clue* is provided by the word aplem. agnelo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 10/6/2003 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]indianfootball.com newsletter
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Re: [Goanet]Wisdom in Goan Proverbs
*KONKNNI OPARINCHEM BHANDDAR* (A Treasure of Konkani Proverbs) by Antonio Pereira S.J. Published by Gulab Publications, E6 Ramakant Apts., Opp. Don Bosco High School, Panaji, Goa and Typeset/printed at Casa J.D. Fernandes, Panaji, Goa [ISBN Ref. not available.] 1985, Pgs 251, Price: Rs.15/- Trust that will help. Happy reading! Valmiki From: "Agnelo Mascarenhas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:10 PM > the book's title please? > > From: "Valmiki Faleiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:48:14 +0530 > > > > BTW, have you guys seen Jesuit, Fr. Antonio > > Pereira's book on the subject? From: "Valmiki Faleiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:15 PM > That's one reason > I had referred to the Sirlim-Salcete Padre's book : the painfully-compiled > originals in Konkani were gems, their translated counterparts lacked > lustre - and soul, if I may say. > > Regards/Valmiki ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Konkani Proverbs....Translated ????
Miguel Braganza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >As Valmiki has rightly pointed out earlier, translations are >fraught with insufficiencies of the English language to express >konkani thought. > It is the meaning that is hard to convey across languages, when it comes to proverbs. Literal translation is relatively easy if you know both languages well. For instance, take the following proverbs, which are quite appropriate for some in this forum: 1. Pott bhorlam, mhonnun g**nn xivonneo ghalta (Stomach is full, therefore the bottom is whistling) 2. Bhatkarachem vaarem, bhatak saarem (Landlord's wind is fertilizer for his farm) Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]MINGUEL RODs Death Anniversary. I
MINGUEL RODs Death Anniversary. I 4th October this year was the 48th death anniversary of the greatest tistrist that Konkani Stage has ever produced, the late Minguel Rod. I bow down my head with deep respect to this Konkani stage genius and pen down this article on this giant. Though the power of my pen to make a write up on this man is small compared to the greatness of this legendary figure yet I try to make some sketches of his life. May his soul rest in peace. To mark this day, Basilio Magno (Spain) wrote a wonderful article on this man, which appeared on Goanet dated 2nd of this month. In response to this article on 3rd of this month Dom Martin another intellectual giant also expressed his opinion with beautiful words on Minguel Rod. Though belatedly yet rightly I feel I too must add something on this great Konkani Tiatro personality. The death of Minguel Rod at the tender age of just 32 was a great loss not only to Konkani Stage and Goa but more than that for Konkani language as a whole. It was he who during those days attracted in greater number the Goan aristocracy, Bhatkarshai and Bamonnshahi to Konkani Stage who many times used to attend his tiatros even by disguising themselves not to disclose their real identities. This they used to do in order to witness in person what Minguel Rod depicts of them on the stage. During those days attending Konkani Tiatro was the work of semi literate or illiterate persons and precisely because of this the so-called elite Goans used to refrain from watching the tiatros. No doubt he was not schooled at Arpora or any other reputed school of the then Goa yet he underwent basic schooling in Roman Script Konkani at his local Parochial School which during those days used to enrich the students with good moral education and music reading-writing-playing. To become genius one need not go to Oxford or Harward or Sorbone. William Shakesphere never attended any University and yet he became what we read him now. Minguel Rod was born genius and his genius came to surface only when he landed in Candolim to do his apprentice in Tailoring newr the Candolim Church which finally he left unfinished and embarked on Tiatro. The reason for this was that in Candolim during those days he came in close contact with great tiatrists of that era namely Alexinho de Candolim, Young Menezes, Vitorino, Maestro Isidore and many Konkani intellectuals of that time. In their company he learnt many things, which soon developed into him the great Minguel Rod the Tiatrist. When he entered the Konkani Stage he was burning with fire to bring about total revolution in Goan Society. Some of his tiatros such as Gorib Sezari, Gorchem Kestaum, Bapul Bhau are just a few to name where one could easily notice revolutionary ideas running in his blood. His tiatros dealt not only in hammering the Bhattkashai and Bamonshahi only but also hammering the dadageri and arrogance of family life in the lower strata of Goan society. That was the need of the hour and still it is, for this reason his tiatros will never attain the old age. Currently many of the present day tiatrists are borrowing their stories from Hindi Films but Minguel Rod was giving originality in his tiatros and songs. Though in his tiatros one could see originality yet in many of his songs and solos one could by observing minutely come to know that the tunes were borrowed mainly from English songs. As I was told, one day while he was passing by my neighbours house, Radio Cylon was playing in its morning programme one song. Hearing this song from a distance of few metres, Minguel Rod suddenly stopped and picked up the tune so perfectly that based on this music he composed a beautiful but sorrowful song in his great Tiatro Bapul Bhau. It was said that while Kid Boxer singing this song canto the Village Regidor seated on the first row was sobbing like a child, of course the theme of this canto had great significance. The father (Kid Boxer) of the dead child carrying the new born babe to the cemetery to bury her without anybody attending the funeral, this was due to extremely bad poverty. The words of this canto run something like this: Puta Pai tuzo dis kaddta khavun Bakri, Tukam purunk zai also laun bend ani sontri, Pun atam purcho poddlo nastana kon lok ani padri. It was not very correct to say that he was not singing Zupatti. The zupattis of Minguel Rod were of totally different category. By the way the core of those days tiatros was nothing but Zupattis and without zupattis the audience would not enjoy tiatro fully. Hence zupatti became the part and parcel of the then tiatros, either mild or harsh. One great zupatti Minguel Rod rendered was if I am not mistaken, at Navelim. Two groups of tiatrists were performing their tiatros for the local feast there. One of Alvares and his troupe and the other by Minguel Rod and his troupe. Because of high profil
Re: [Goanet]IGO or You Go!
Hi Miguel, Don't know if I've said this about your reversal of the *lurking* decision, but nice to see you back! Ha, Rajan must have had Richard Nixon or Bill Clinton in mind while at that *impeachable* typo. Your lines on Tax Deduction at Source (TDS - Tara, Devika deducted at Source) and on the *Pros* makes me suspect you're joining the Times of India (Goa Plus) humour brigade, a la Cecil Pinto? :-) No one who is aware of reality behind the curtains of Goa's journalistic scene can disagree with what you say. In private mails, though, I am being accused of discussing larger-than-life personalities, not issues. Ha, again! Valmiki From: "Miguel Braganza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:15 PM > The word actually used by Rajan on the website was *impeachable* not > 'impeccable'. The mouth sometimes speaks what the heart often feels. I do > not think the word 'men' is as gender sensitive as the word 'persons'[or are > Tara, Devika, etc 'deducted at source' from bored membership of the Board of > Observers?] > > The webpage also does not specify what type of "Professionals" will manage > the Observer. The Panaji Bench of the Bombay High Court has recently > directed the Goa Government to deport one category of professionals to their > home states. > > One can sin['err',where there is no concept of 'sin'] in thought ,word or > deed. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Video on St.Francis Xavier's Expo. 1994/95
I had this my own personal filming (collection) and showed to my friends and relatives this time during my present visit to GOA. Many of them liked it so much that they even recommended to their local cable provider .. It is about 35 minutes with close-up of the Sacred body in Se Cathedral and the last days procession back to Bom Jesus. Additionally, it also shows a bit of Miramar, Donapaula, Vasco harbour, Panaji etc. Damania shipping Goa to Bom, Goan Ferry crossing, Konkan railways under construction also seen. Background Music being devotional, mando-dulpud & portugeuse. Total 1hour approx. If any one is interested, I could make copies and post at cost price. Joegoauk ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Sports News: Hayden breaks Lara's record
Hayden breaks Lara's record October 10, 2003 11:02 IST Australian opener Matthew Hayden's record-breaking knock finally came to an end on 380. The left-hander hit 38 boundaries and 11 sixes in his 437 ball knock in 622 minutes stay at the crease. Hayden eclipsed Brian Lara's nine-year old record of 375 against England in Antigua. Hayden became only the second player in history to score a triple century in Australia. Only Robert Cowper has scored a triple hundred in Australia in 1965 against England at the Melbourne Cricket Ground. Hayden resumed his innings on his overnight score of 183 and smashed five sixes in the morning session to surpass his previous best of 203. He reached his triple hundred against Zimbabwe in the first Test off only 364 balls with 33 boundaries and eight sixes. He also surpassed the previous highest score, Michael Slater's 219 against Sri Lanka in 1995-96, at the WACA. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Konkani Proverbs....Translated ????
Hi Miguel, not knowing the context is my error. thanks for the nice explanations. these are idioms. the meaning of the whole phrase is different from the meaning of the sum of its words. perhaps, a literal translation is meaningless. agnelo > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:26:55 +0530 > From: Miguel Braganza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Goanet]Konkani ProverbsTranslated > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Dear Agnelo, > > konkani thought. Absence > of knowledge about the context is another area of > concern.May be we should > > Keep the proverbs and sayings coming.Be > careful...or you will be a fool > ...to try a translation. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Sports News: Anjali wins gold at World Cup Finals
Anjali wins gold at World Cup Finals October 10, 2003 23:56 IST Anjali Vedpathak-Bhagwat won the women's air rifle gold at the World Cup Finals in Milan, Italy. The ace Indian shooter, who had won the silver at the same event last year, shot 502.4 to win the yellow metal ahead of China's Du Li (501.1) and Japan's Hiromi Misaki (500). The World Cup Finals features the ten best performers in the four World Cup events of the year. Anjali, who was conferred the Khel Ratna, India's highest sports award, last month, shot 399 in the preliminary and 103.4 in the final round. The level of competition which Anjali had to face can be gauged from the fact that World champion Katerina Kurkova of the Czech Republic finished fifth while defending champion Lioubob Galkina of Russia ended up sixth. On the disappointing note for the Indian fans, Abhinav Bindra failed to make it to the final round of the men's air rifle event, finishing last among the ten contestants, with a score of 590. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]TidBits.029 (The Turkey bas been Grilled Nice and Proper)
TidBits.029 (The Turkey has been Grilled Nice and Proper) And if at all any one day of the week brings me alive in the evening, it is the FRIDAY. And my readers should not get me wrong or simply jump to conclusions in identifying the cause. It is definitely not because of the Goa Desc's 'Friday Balcao'. It could have been, but for the odd timing. And it is certainly not because of the Friday Market at Mapusa either. The very thought of entering Mapusa market on Saturdays, specially in the morning, undoes the age old Friday Market craze, mainly because what one beholds is that entire Belgaum is spread out at the Mapusa Market as a Saturday tourist attraction. And what is worst is that one realizes that our Mapusa Municipal sweepers and garbage cleaning team have been blessed with the 'banking' working hours. The nice and proper, green saree clad, majesties, ladies sweepers wield their sweeping broom like writing pens on the banking ledgers as late as 9.00 AM when they ought to have been at work from 5 AM in the morning and deliver the market clean and ready to take the onslaught of another hectic market day at 7.00 AM. Not to say that the Mapusa Municipal Councilors are not heavy in their pockets after a very successful extortion Friday from the hawkers, to be particularly conscious of their prime duties of having the market cleaned in time for the next day. The reason is that I come alive, expectantly, for the Friday's "Question time India" or even more so for "Question time Pakistan" at 10 PM. Most often, the boring 'Question Time India' finds me snoring in my seat in front of the TV until my better half sends me packing to bed with a threat of the holocaust in the morning. But today, it was the hard talking Karan Thapar which jolted me into attentiveness. No sleepy eyes. No dozing off. And if Karan Thapar has this effect on me, it was multiplied a thousand fold when I realized that the "turkey on Karan Thapar's Grill" was none other than my very very good friend Lal Krishna Advani. As we say in Konkani "MOJE UBAU GHELE" for I hadn't seen my friend at such close range and so clear in a long long time. Therefore, I pulled my chair closest to the TV screen so I should not miss even his eyelids twitching while under the intense Karan Thapar's grilling heat. And my wife, my son, and my daughter and even my two dogs thought that it was I who was grilling this great hypocrite jerk instead of Karan Thapar to the extent that they had to tell me to shut up, and that, Advani could not hear me, and please don't awaken the neighbourhood. And during the half hour of this prime show, I felt that I was watching the "Exorcist". I could visualize the green hued spitty venom filling Advani's mouth and threatening to spill out each time Karan poked him, as if, with the spike in the ribs. And I really thought Advani would spray the vile green bile all over Karan's face in contempt, just like in the 'Exorcist'. And I sincerely hoped that he would choke to death on it, right there and then. But it was not to be. For, again, they say in Konkani "KAULEANIN XIRAP GHALEAR DHORAM MORONAN". Karan, in his utter expertise, took Advani from "Supreme Court's indictment of the Gujarat Government over the Best Bakery case to the 'party with a difference" to "terrorism" to "Babri Demolishing" to "Gujarat Carnage" to "Supreme Court's stay on disinvestments of BPCL & HPCL, to his influencing the CBI to exonerate himself. And I could really see Advani feeling the heat and wanting to bolt. I was, all the time looking at his hypocrite's eyes which were telling me how he felt each time more powerful and well planned punches were delivered from Karan's end. He tried to cover up his complicity in the Gujarat affair by saying that the overall system of justice in the country was inadequate. He tried to get away from his opposition time slogan "We shall persue and end terrorism" by saying that while in opposition it was different and while in the government it was different. We all know this to be the fact even by virtue of not being in the opposition or in the government. (Our very own Goa Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar has proved this theory right, while in the opposition, by virtue of his applying black shoe polish on Dr. Willy's (CMs) the then brand new Fiat, NE-118, terming it a luxury that Goa could not afford, AND, by being very comfortable with a line of BALENOs himself, while in power). And the worst thing which I could not bear to hear from this hypocrite's (Advani 's) mouth is that "from the very first, I had said that the Babri demolition was the saddest thing in my life" If I was Karan I sure would have asked him, nay, not asked him but rather spat at him "But dear Deputy PM, immediately after the demolition of the Babri Masjid, when you returned home, you had said 'JO KARNE GAYE WOH KARKE AYEM' , how come?? And I am very sure, that after the half hour of expert grilling by Karan Thap
Re: [Goanet] Goa's Patron Saint
Love should be translated into our action for the neighbour. Unless we live for others, we cannot be healthy. Religion enlightens our reason and strengthens our will. We need a religion that liberates us. Superstition is ignorance that enslaves us. Our faith in God and Man should transform our reason and our human existence. That is the true religion, lived by the Saints and so many who are "silent lovers". Education in good living is also important. Lack of genuine religious education has led today's society to the brink of a disaster. Saints show us the way to a transformative living... Ivo - Original Message - From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 5:59 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa's Patron Saint > Ivo Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > When I wrote "Man", it means man or woman. > > > > Please regard this as an exercise in free expression of disparate > views. It is just as important to understand what our differences are > as it is to achieve a common ground. > > > > >It is the quality of our love that makes us good, holy, saintly > >people, not what we achieve. What we achieve through love will serve > >the cause of humankind. > > > > The love could be love of knowledge, love of capturing the awesome > beauty of the universe, and/or a love for the quest to bring about a > real, tangible advancement of the human condition. > > > > >One may use the word "saints" for all those who struggle for the > >cause of human race. > > > > That is exactly my point. Most great achievements of science and art > have symbolized a struggle for the cause of the human race. > > > > >We respect all religions and all the people, yet we have to agree to > >disagree with some different opinions... > > > > I would only add that we ought to also respect the absence of > religion, and good, decent and honest people who do not practice any > religion at all. > > Cheers, > > Santosh > > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # > ## ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]NEWS: Editor quits, journalists write... and the band plays on
Editor quits, journalists write... and the band plays on FN PANAJI (Goa), Oct 10: You could call it a day journalists took to the limelight. Shedding the dispassionate observer status that goes along with the usual news process, jouros took to centrestage on Friday. Goa's longest-serving editor quit his post in an unusual manner, some 20 journalists compiled a collaborative e-book critiquing the media, and by happenstance a 'peace concert' in honour of slain Wall Street Journal South Asia ex-bureau chief Daniel Pearl was also organised by journalist Ethel da Costa in state-capital Panaji on the same day. Rajan Narayan tendered his resignation from the Herald, a century-old former Portuguese newspaper, which he led since its conversion to an English-language daily, amidst falling Portuguese readership here, in 1983. The Herald, formerly O Heraldo, was considered to be the second-largest English-language daily in Goa. But recent circulation figures released in the Goa assembly suggested that it had overtaken main rival the 40-year-old Navhind Times, which had always been leading in both circulation and advertising. Goa has three English-language newspapers, the other being the Gomantak Times. Narayan, who had in recent weeks publicly announced his decision via his website to quit, went amidst drama and some tension. On the day the newspaper was celebrating its 20th anniversary, the editor went to the religious service being held and handed in his resignation to the officiating priest. This led to some hot and angry words, staff members present said. For some weeks now, the editor has been in open conflict with the newspaper's management, and has also blamed Goa chief minister Manohar Parrikar of the BJP for seeking to influence newspaper proprietors. This quarrel, strangely, errupted over a news-feature written by Narayan's wife, journalist Tara Narayan, questioning the unhygenic settings in which the chief minister snacked near the Cine Alankar Theatre in Mapusa, in the context of the recent spurt in jaundice that parts of Goa have seen. Parrikar denied his involvement in "talking to (newspaper) managements". Since, Narayan -- a former Mumbai journalist who has played a dominant role in a section of the English-language media here since the past twenty years -- has announced plans to launch a weekly newspaper and multimedia company, with borrowings from the general public. In another development, an e-book titled 'Behind The News: Voices From Goa's Press' was released on Friday, following a collaborative initiative by some 20 journalist and former journalists here. This book, put together via the Net and to be made available in cyberspace shortly, offers some little-known insights into how the one-time mining lobby-dominated media in this small state functioned, and the changing aspects of the economics of the media today. Media bias during elections, some outsider-journalists' perceptions of the media here, and failed experiments in building media alternatives are some of the issues raised. Free-sheeters -- that are made available for free to readers, since they're supported by advertising -- have already made their advent to some of Goa's towns, it becomes clear. But, two essays by former editor Raju Nayak and Catholic priest-editor Peter Raposo, offer an insight into why journalism in Konkani, the local language and one of India's smallest 'official languages' nationwide -- is in a perilous state, with something needing to be done urgently to build or restore readership. Meanwhile, in an unconnected development, journalist Ethel da Costa organised a free concert lasting from 6 pm to midnight, to pay tribute to the WSJ scribe Daniel Pearl, who was kidnapped and murdered in Pakistan, while following a story there. Pearl is believed to have visited Goa too, but this concert was part of a global tribute October 10 happened to be the second annual Daniel Pearl Music Day, and would have been his 40th birthday. It is to be celebrated across the globe in non-profit musical events, with calls for 'harmony for humanity'. Da Costa said she had brought in "musicians and bands from within and outside Goa" -- including The Brown Indian Band, The Music Company, Mabel with Anibal Castro Quartet, Taal Tri-Rang and Soggy Biscuits, all of whom would perform free. Five women artists were also selected to exhibit their paintings at the venue -- Yolanda de Souza, Fernanda de Mello, Nirupa Naik, Tanya Mendonsa and Chaitali Morajkar. Journalist Pearl is also known to have been a violinist, fiddler and mandolin player. "He joined a band, orchestra or chamber group in every town in which he lived and formed connections through his passion for music and friendship," said da Costa. (ENDS) ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and
[Goanet-news]NEWS: Editor quits, journalists write... and the band plays on
Editor quits, journalists write... and the band plays on FN PANAJI (Goa), Oct 10: You could call it a day journalists took to the limelight. Shedding the dispassionate observer status that goes along with the usual news process, jouros took to centrestage on Friday. Goa's longest-serving editor quit his post in an unusual manner, some 20 journalists compiled a collaborative e-book critiquing the media, and by happenstance a 'peace concert' in honour of slain Wall Street Journal South Asia ex-bureau chief Daniel Pearl was also organised by journalist Ethel da Costa in state-capital Panaji on the same day. Rajan Narayan tendered his resignation from the Herald, a century-old former Portuguese newspaper, which he led since its conversion to an English-language daily, amidst falling Portuguese readership here, in 1983. The Herald, formerly O Heraldo, was considered to be the second-largest English-language daily in Goa. But recent circulation figures released in the Goa assembly suggested that it had overtaken main rival the 40-year-old Navhind Times, which had always been leading in both circulation and advertising. Goa has three English-language newspapers, the other being the Gomantak Times. Narayan, who had in recent weeks publicly announced his decision via his website to quit, went amidst drama and some tension. On the day the newspaper was celebrating its 20th anniversary, the editor went to the religious service being held and handed in his resignation to the officiating priest. This led to some hot and angry words, staff members present said. For some weeks now, the editor has been in open conflict with the newspaper's management, and has also blamed Goa chief minister Manohar Parrikar of the BJP for seeking to influence newspaper proprietors. This quarrel, strangely, errupted over a news-feature written by Narayan's wife, journalist Tara Narayan, questioning the unhygenic settings in which the chief minister snacked near the Cine Alankar Theatre in Mapusa, in the context of the recent spurt in jaundice that parts of Goa have seen. Parrikar denied his involvement in "talking to (newspaper) managements". Since, Narayan -- a former Mumbai journalist who has played a dominant role in a section of the English-language media here since the past twenty years -- has announced plans to launch a weekly newspaper and multimedia company, with borrowings from the general public. In another development, an e-book titled 'Behind The News: Voices From Goa's Press' was released on Friday, following a collaborative initiative by some 20 journalist and former journalists here. This book, put together via the Net and to be made available in cyberspace shortly, offers some little-known insights into how the one-time mining lobby-dominated media in this small state functioned, and the changing aspects of the economics of the media today. Media bias during elections, some outsider-journalists' perceptions of the media here, and failed experiments in building media alternatives are some of the issues raised. Free-sheeters -- that are made available for free to readers, since they're supported by advertising -- have already made their advent to some of Goa's towns, it becomes clear. But, two essays by former editor Raju Nayak and Catholic priest-editor Peter Raposo, offer an insight into why journalism in Konkani, the local language and one of India's smallest 'official languages' nationwide -- is in a perilous state, with something needing to be done urgently to build or restore readership. Meanwhile, in an unconnected development, journalist Ethel da Costa organised a free concert lasting from 6 pm to midnight, to pay tribute to the WSJ scribe Daniel Pearl, who was kidnapped and murdered in Pakistan, while following a story there. Pearl is believed to have visited Goa too, but this concert was part of a global tribute October 10 happened to be the second annual Daniel Pearl Music Day, and would have been his 40th birthday. It is to be celebrated across the globe in non-profit musical events, with calls for 'harmony for humanity'. Da Costa said she had brought in "musicians and bands from within and outside Goa" -- including The Brown Indian Band, The Music Company, Mabel with Anibal Castro Quartet, Taal Tri-Rang and Soggy Biscuits, all of whom would perform free. Five women artists were also selected to exhibit their paintings at the venue -- Yolanda de Souza, Fernanda de Mello, Nirupa Naik, Tanya Mendonsa and Chaitali Morajkar. Journalist Pearl is also known to have been a violinist, fiddler and mandolin player. "He joined a band, orchestra or chamber group in every town in which he lived and formed connections through his passion for music and friendship," said da Costa. (ENDS) ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and
[Goanet]WHAT'S COOKING... sorpatel (a saucy pork dish)
Good day my fellow Goans & friends, I have received many requests for the following recipe, which happens to be the essence of Goan cuisine. Adapted from the Portuguese dish of Sarabulho, this dish is served traditionally on feast days, Christmas and weddings. It goes extremely well with a rice cake called "sanna", " Yes, I am talking about the delicious saucy pork dish, "sorpotel:. If I may, I am including a part of a poem that seemed quite appropriate for this article: For the famed Tandoori Chicken That Punjabis praise like hell For us who hail from Goa There's nothing like SORPOTEL! Isn't that the truth! Anyhow, more traditional recipes call for the use of cooked pigs blood. However, I don't think too many of you would savor this, to be sure. There are several versions of this dish and I have tried about 10 of them. Here is one that I thought was pretty easy to follow. Enjoy and as usual send me your feedback. Happy eating! - Daisy SORPOTEL Ingredients: 2 lbs pork liver 1 lb pork tongue 1 lb pork heart 1 lb pork ear 1 lb intestines 2 lbs pork meat 2 medium onions Quarter tablespoon chili powder 1 teaspoon cinnamon powder ? teaspoon turmeric powder 1-teaspoon pepper powder 1-inch ginger (grated) 2 cloves garlic (crushed & finely chopped)_ 1-cup vinegar 1-teaspoon sugar Boil all the pork parts. Add a little salt to the water. Mix the vinegar, sugar and spice powders and keep aside. When the meat cools, cut into fine pieces. Fry this in a non-stick pan with a little oil. Separately, heat up some oil and put in ginger & garlic. Saute for about 3 minutes, then add chopped onions and saute till translucent. Add fried meat and vinegar mixture and coat the meat well. If too dry, add a little water. Cook till the sauce thickens. Yum? Enjoy! Note: For those of you that are squeamish about using the various parts of the pork, stick with the liver and pork meat only. You can get the same results although some of you may not agree with me. If you have different versions of this recipe and would like to share, please email me. Thanks. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Goa's Patron Saint
Ivo Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Lack of genuine religious education has led today's society to >the brink of a disaster. Saints show us the way to a transformative >living... > I disagree. We do not need religion or religious education to know how to live a good, decent and honest life. All we need is a humanitarian, utilitarian and rational moral sense of right and wrong. Today's society is not at the brink of disaster. That is an apocalyptic view, perpetuated among other things by a genuine religious education. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]GOA - THE WAY FORWARD
Goa is so small yet we have abundant resources and no dearth of politicians either. Politicians who keep politicking round the clock and 365 days in a year. It is this politicking that is stalling Goa's progress and the rapid advancement we would have otherwise achieved. It is this politics that derails us from the path to prosperity. We need to have all the political debates and discussion at election time and then for five years work in togetherness with selfless zeal and a clear focused direction. All Political parties should be unambiguous on issues that concern the common good. There can be no denial that Corruption is the one issue that needs to be addressed by all. It is only good governance and transparency in the day to day functioning of every authority that will take us to our prized destination. All parties while securing their interests should first focus on what is best for the state and its long-term future. If the BJP could keep the communal elements within its cadres at bay and the Congress could clearly distance itself from the corrupt individuals within its ranks it would be a right recipe and things may look bright for this State of ours. And of course if the rest of the fringe parties wake up to the reality as to where they really stand it may help us in the long run to work in conjunction. In the United Kingdom for example the parties fight it out relentlessly at election time. Once the votes are counted all the parties have only one goal - the progress and development of their country. There is never politics of vengeance or retribution. Those in power and the ones in opposition try and build a consensus on most issues and work together towards the progress and development of their land. One good aspect there is that there are only three main political parties and Independents do not mushroom as they do in fertile Goa at election time. It may take time to develop our political system but we have to be optimistic and try hard. Goa could set the example and be a model state for the rest of the country. We will then be remembered for the right reasons and not for the frequent defections as in the not so distant past. Today and over the years Goa has advanced but we could have done much better. Goa has to remember that the Dempos, Salgaoncars, Chowgules,Timblos etc. have not only built their business empires but have also contributed their share to Goa's development. The educational institutions some of these industrialists have set up have gone a long way towards imparting academic impetus to our students. That most of the graduates produced by these institutions have not been provided a career avenue by the Government policies is a different issue. All parties have to resolve that all these foreign jaunts cannot be at public expense. It has to be ensured that any trips abroad including any cultural trips have to be sponsored events. The Government should get its priorities right. Paying the four crores owed to KLE hospital is a priority and extravagant expenses on trips abroad are unwarranted and unaffordable. The Government should do everything possible to avoid unnecessary expenditure in all quarters. Our coffers are empty and we have to go all out to rescue the exchequer. There has to also be a consensus to ensure that the bureaucracy gets its independence and its identity. It is a shame that officers over the years have been manipulated and tamed by the powers to be and that in fact the officers have no role to play except to dance to the tunes of those in power. Today due to the ground realities we cannot sympathise with the cry of the past, Goa for Goans. We have to think and march as Indians and live and let our fellow brothers feel at home in this very hospitable land of ours just as Goans in their thousands have made their homes in other parts of India. We have to work hand in hand to preserve and retain our secular fabric at all cost. Temples, mosques and Churches should be instruments for bringing people together rather than segregating us. Id, Diwali and Christmas should be occasions of joy and celebration to one and all regardless of caste and creed. Those in power should be able to relish and digest constructive criticism. To err is human so unless one is alerted one may not realise one's folly. Criticism should be taken in stride rather than something personal. Goa is indeed the India's best state to live in. We can only appreciate Goa's goodness once we go on a day trip to neighbouring Sawantwadi or even Karwar. Let alone the feelings you may have if you go to Bihar or Madhya Pradesh. It is these feelings that should give us the drive to further improve our State. Aires Rodrigues Ribandar ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joing
[Goanet]CONSUMER ALERT:A filthy jetty at Betim
Documented by Goa Desc Documentation Service & circulated by Goa Civic & Consumer Action Network (GOA CAN)<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ph:2252660 --- A Filthy Jetty It seems that the Betim jetty has been taken over by stray cattle. At any given point of time there are at least 10-12 cows sitting there. The place is full of cowdung, plastic bottles, paper and other garbage. The approach to the ferry is a downward slope which is green with moss and splattered with cowdung. Ideal conditions for people to slip and get injured. The Panaji side of the jetty is not much better. Apart from being a sickening sight the carelessness of the authorities in taking care of the jetty presents a sorry picture to a lot of the locals and also to domestic and international tourists who use the ferry. A massive clean-up jobs is required urgently. VENITA D'SOUZA, Panaji in a letter to the Editor - The Navhind Times 9/10/03 page 10 - --- GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK --- an initiative of GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE to promote civic and consumer rights in Goa --- GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goacan.org --- ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]KONKANI PROVERBS!
Here are some more Konkani proverbs, which I was able to recall during the weekend: Reddea-paddeachem zuz, zaddacher kau Etolo deumchar, kolltolo soumsar Xita fuddem mitt khaumchem noi Lozta to fosta Ximbreak loz nam Kaddi kadlear, paddi voita Dorian assa mosso, moll korta pisso Kadli jib, laili tonddak Panchui bottam ek sarkim noi Eka kapddan bail mathari zainam Firingui mele, undde kabar zale Amche ami, Simao komi Sottie ratik boroilelem chukonam Votan aslealeak savllen vochonk xem dista Chamddi soddit pun domddi soddpak nam Sovaichem khan, pott fuguem Thodde dis maimche, thodde dis sunemche Mazrak sath jiu Deu mon polloun dhon dita Rogtak rogot vollkota Soirea pormonnem, ghor zainam Deklem moddem, eilem roddnnem Undrachea ragan, ghorak uzo Nakak dhorlear, tondd ugttem zata Kanank vainguim bandop Dhi respect, ghue respet Kelelea mapan bhog Bhat-ac zai zalear amans, nam zalear punov Etolo deumchar, kolltolo soumsar Xennantlo kiddo xennant uronam Chodd nahateleak chodd chikol Ekdam chor to sodanch chor Zogzogta tem bangar noi Sukea barabor voleim lasta Athan-ui dhoronam ani vorlen-ui dhoronam Xennantlo kiddo xennant uronam Mog aslear un-un vodde ghanttar pautat nam zalear xellele torui pavonant Deklear chor nam zalear xenttam todd Hagteleak loz nam zalear, polleteleak tori assonk zai Zounnem thoddem, kimchonnem chodd Xenttache bajiek, tupachim fonnam Xenttani konnieo punzavop Khobro urleo khobranchea manddar, bail nidli govachea anddar _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]GOA BAYWATCH:Two Bangalore youth drown off Baga beach
- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- --- Two Bangalore youth drown off Baga beach -- Goas famed coastline continued to claim victims for the second day in a row, when one youth from Bangalore drowned in the sea off Baga beach on Wednesday afternoon, while his friend expired on the way to hospital. According to police, a nine-member group of youth arrived in Goa on Tuesday on a sight-seeing trip and were staying in a hotel at Miramar. On Wednesday morning, the group decided to visit the beaches in North Goa. After spending some time at the Calangute beach, the group then proceeded to Baga. Five members of the group decided to venture into the sea for a swim at about 1.30 pm and a short while later, two of them returned to the shores to click photographs. Moments later, three youth Ayaraj (25), Ravi J R (26) and Navin Kumar (25) were hit by a large wave and were pulled into the sea. The two friends who were on the shore immediately raised an alarm. Local fishermen and the lifeguard on duty rushed to their rescue and managed to pull out Navin, who was rushed to the Candolim Primary Health Centre (PHC) for treatment. About 20 minutes later, Ayaraj was spotted in the sea and was brought to the shore. He however breathed his last on the way to the Candolim PHC hospital. The body of Ravi was fished out from the sea later at about 4 pm. The two bodies were later taken to the Goa Medical College Hospital at Bambolim for an autopsy. Police has established contacts with the families of the deceased. Earlier on Tuesday, a teacher and three students from Tamil Nadu drowned off the Colva beach, while a youth from Hubli drowned off the Calangute beach. According to sources, nearly 60 people have drowned in the sea, off the Goan beaches and most of the victims have been tourists. HERALD 9/10/03 page 1 - === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Let us know our Artistes! Preserve our Music and see how we can lift it UP!
Goans have been called a people of music and dance Goans have been known all over the world to excel in Music. Many a Goan have contributed in a big way to produce great Musical Presentaions,etc I was wondering if we could put together a directory of Musicians from Goa and their Contribution to World Music along with their contact information. If such adirectory is already available ,I would most certainly welcome an assistance to lead me to it,It would be great if it is already available on line. If the information is not already available ,it would be agreat opportunity to put it together. I would like to humbly, welcome ways and means,as to how we can network this together,for all who share the feeling of being Goan and who identify themselves with being very much GOAN and not Gone! All of the Goanet volunteers ,official /unofficial ,can we get your suggestions please? On The Internet! Auspicio F.M.Rodrigues Simply Goan,Simple Goan! Panjim Goa India 403001 CALL the WORLD for FREE!!* [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.oneworld.myworldvox.com www.oneworld.juvio.com tel: +91-832-2224119 tel2: +91-832-2421646 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Konkani Proverbs; flavour lost in translations!
Agree with you Valmiki, Miguel, thats the reason my first post on proverbs was without translations as its in simple konkani and not devnagri. The translations/meanings are for those Goanetters who had asked for translations as they could not understand konkani and its good to see them making an effort to learn Konkani. Also a question to the Admin pls: Why are posts in Konkani not censored likewise posts in English? Regards Eddie Verdes KSA > Original Message - > From: "Miguel Braganza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Goanet]Konkani Proverbs; flavour lost in translations! > Miguel From: "Valmiki Faleiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Goanet]Wisdom in Goan Proverbs ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
JESS: Retractions through Rete object trouble!
Hi there. I am communicating with the Jess engine using Java, and I've noticed some altogether strange behaviour with Fact retractions (which I have no doubt is my fault). I come to the mailing list as a last resort. I am quite experienced with Jess/Java integration, which is why this problem is very confusing to me. Firstly, take the following retraction string, I run it in WinJess with no problems : (retract-string " (PropertyValue http://echo.iat.sfu.ca/owl/psychoacoustics.daml#hasDirectionality http://echo.iat.sfu.ca/owl/psychoacoustics.daml#AShok http://echo.iat.sfu.ca/owl/psychoacoustics.daml#DirectionalityPointSource) ") But, the same string, generated from a rdf file : http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#"; xmlns:daml="http://www.daml.org/2001/03/daml+oil#"; xmlns:ns1="http://echo.iat.sfu.ca/owl/psychoacoustics.daml#"; xmlns:rdfs="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#"; xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2000/10/XMLSchema#";> http://echo.iat.sfu.ca/owl/psychoacoustics.daml#AShok";> Re: [Juglist] Which is m JESS: Retractions through Rete object trouble! Jordan Willms Reply via email to
