RE: [Goanet]Re: Christians wanting things the easy way...
Sorry, Bernardo, You seem to be under the impression that bharatis, a term which you seem to be using pejoratively to describe non-Goan Indians, either have crap English or never had English to begin with. If they didn't have good English, how do you explain the fact that there are many prize-winning Indian authors today in the English medium or that so many of the CEO's here in the U.S. of technology and financial firms are bharatis? True Dona Filomena, But the quantity of the masters of the English language is a drop. I hope their numbers will increase so that they can eliminate the rest of bharat from the abyss with their great qualities. Do you envisage this happening? Colaco Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Dr. Jack de Sequeira
Goem Maharashtrant vospachem aslem tem Dr. Jack de Sequeira ani tachea United Goans Pokxan Opinion Poll haddun vattailem. Goemkaram pasot tunvem khub kelem. Tunvem Goem sambal'lem dekhun aiz khub zann Mukhi Montri, montri, khasdar ani amdar zaunk paule. Punn Goemkar tuka vissorle. Noman tuka Dotorbab. Simon Carvalho Sancoale. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]housing board plots at sancoale
I thank Mr. Matanhy Saldanha for his recommendations. However he has forgotten something. He should see that the plots are given for Goans only and not for migrants. The owners of the plot should not be allowed to sell or transfer the plot or the house after construction or allow others to stay in the houses as is done now. The house shall be kept locked/closed if the owners are not staying in the house and no other person should be allowed to stay in the house except the owners. The owner of the plot should not be allowed to give irrevocable power of attorney to another person as a caretaker or contractor. This modus operandi is now used to sell the plots for higher prices. Is Mr. Matanhy listening? Simon Carvalho Sancoale Matanhy recommendations on Zuarinagar Housing Board plots. The MLA of Cortalim constituency, Mr Matanhy Saldanha, has made certain requests and recommendations, with regard to further development of plots of the Goa Housing Board scheme at Zuarinagar, Upasnagar). According to Mr Saldanha these recommendations, are very essential if the colony is to be planned properly and not be made a modern planned slum like what has happened at Zuarinagar of 40 m2 plots under the previous government. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Confusion, conflict and faith
In a message dated 1/14/2004 1:50:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There have been scientists among the Christian monks, who have taken science to great heights. Confused people can become great scientists. Newton was famously confused and wrong about absolute motion and absolute rest, and Einstein was the same about quantum mechanics. They have not been confused neither in science nor in their Christian faith. I don't know what is meant by being confused in faith. But if you tell me the names of these monks, I will tell you how they were confused in Science. There is no conflict between science and Christian faith. What is the difference between humans and animals according to the Christian faith? What is the Christian view on exorcism in the treatment of mental illness? What is homosexuality according to the Christian faith? Can a wooden statue start miraculously crying tears of blood according to the Christian faith? Does Christian faith not necessitate the violation of the laws of thermodynamics from time to time? I submit to you that in each of these cases Science is in direct conflict with the Christian faith. Do we have hard evidence in all realms of human existence? In Science we do. Hard evidence is the foundation of modern science. Faith is one of the sources of knowledge. Not knowledge about the natural world! Faith can tell us nothing about the origin, structure and operation of the universe, and the living organisms that inhabit it. It cannot tell us with any degree of certainty whether the earth is flat or spheroidal, whether it moves round the sun or is fixed, whether man suddenly appeared on it fully formed or evolved from unicellular organisms, whether lightning is electrical discharge or the wrath of God, whether small pox is caused by a virus or because of the curse of a Goddess, whether an eclipse is an engulfment of a heavenly creature by a giant or a planetary occlusion,and so on. To say that faith should not have a place in our life is an epistemological blunder. Faith has a role to play in the private lives of individuals. It is also of use in the psychological counseling of people who depend on it. It does not have any epistemological role in understanding the natural world. What is faith for you? For me it is a part of my culture, history and tradition. To say that there is no soul, no God, no creation also belong to the realm of faith... Not if these things are shown to be ontologically unnecessary. It is an ontological blunder to say otherwise. And an ontological blunder is far worse than an epistemological one. People have lost their lives from commiting an ontological blunder. If every single natural phenomenon can be explained without invoking any of these entities or processes, reason demands that we leave them out of the description of the natural world. Thus spoke a Christian monk, although he did not say it exactly in this context. His name was William of Occam. The Pope excommunicated him because he said something else that was in conflict with the Christian faith. Occam's razor is a handy tool of Science. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]BBC News: Young Filmmakers Competition - Priya Pinto
Young Filmmakers Competition January 13th 2004 Tom Brook writes: Those of you who've been tuning in to the programme, or visiting the website in the past few months know we've been running a competition for aspiring young filmmakers. The competition was open to anyone aged between 18 and 30 and they were asked to submit a short film not exceeding two and a half minutes in length. Let me say I was very surprised and inspired by the quality of entries we received from around the world. .. .. .. .. The film that the Jury ranked in second place was rather different, a reality based short from 28 year old Priya Pinto in Dubai called 'Invisible'. It presents us with an elevator operator all but invisible to the diverse group of individuals who travel between floors. Full Story: http://www.bbcworld.com/content/template_talkingmovies.asp?pageid=665co_pageid=5 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Bollywood News: My glamour will continue- Harini
My glamour will continue- Harini Though none of the five boys in the film made any impact, some did notice the heroine, Harini. And, she knows how to survive in the industry. My role in Boys was a bit glamorous. I dont mind continuing it, she said. Her real name is Genelia and she is from Goa. Harini was the name given by director Shankar. I have been getting offers from other south Indian languages, but Im not interested in any of them except Tamil, she continues. Meanwhile, she also had done a Hindi film, Tujhe Meri Kasam. Her favorite actor is Amitabh Bachchan, with whom she had appeared in a commercial. Her favorite sport is football and she loves music. A typical Goan girl! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]New Drama ' Bhangar Tuka Dilem' - Rafael de Majorda
After short illness, Rafael de Majorda is coming back to Kuwait from Goa with his master piece andSuspence Konkani Tiatr 'BHANGAR TUKA DILEM' on 13th February 2004 at Indian Art Circle - Funatees, Kuwait under the production of Hilton de Assolna and his troupe. All the way coming from Goa to participate in his drama are Ana Pereira, Sharon, Wilmix, Comedian Ben Evangelisto, Comedy Queen Platilda, Comedian Sally, Marcelin de Betim and everybody's favourite Prem Kumar and along with Kuwait's famous, Marcus Vaz and his brother Benny Vaz, Rosary Ferns, Querobine, Sanny de Quepem and first time in Kuwait's history Bab Veronica Fernandes and Rafael de Majorda. Music by Josinho from Goa. Stage Settings and Lights by SPA. Gate passes will shortly available at Bollywood Restuarant and Raja Stores at Kuwait City - Malliyah. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes
[Goanet]RE: St. Francis Xavier
St. Francis Xavier (SFX) The discussion on SFX on GoaNet is a good topic for our knowledge of history. And for Goans to know their past and culture. Hence I thank Dr. Jose Colaco for posting his response on Goan cyberspace because this is a great education tool for all (3000) Goans to learn and for some to dialogue in greater detail. Unfortunately any discussion on important historical facts to those with a close mind or those that choose not to advance their knowledge, will be throwing pearls to the swine and that should not deter the intelligent conversation. Hence JC's presentation of comparative religious historical practices is a good point for us to keep things in perspective for that period of time. Fortunately the Catholic Church has moved beyond the inquisition (about 300 years ago) and has learnt form that episode. I hope other religions can learn from the experience of the Catholic Church and apply some of those approaches to end their own poor performances rather than continuing some of them to the present day. I agree with Filomena about the need to be sure of the true historical facts rather than repeating the same old stereotypical stories. Not many Goans / Indians know that the inquisition was brought from Europe to Goa nine years after SFX died. And about seven years before SFX died, he left Goa for the far east- Spice Islands, Japan and then making plans to go to China. So SFX was only actively involved in India for the (first) three short years. This time was spent along the whole coast from Bassein (north of Mumbai / Bombay) to the southern tip of Kerala and then going to Madras/ Chennai. SFX's extra-special link to Goa was only because the Portuguese hierarchy brought his body after his death to the capital of the Portuguese empire and the seat of their religious activity - Archbishop for the whole of Asia and Africa - the Rome of the east. In Europe, the Inquisition was introduced by the political / religious hierarchy to control the religious waywardness of the Catholic population. SFX was very disturbed / angry about the un-Christian behavior of the Portuguese towards the natives in Goa. This is obvious from the several letters he wrote the then Portuguese King Joan. I have not seen any evidence of him wanting to bring the inquisition into Goa. But I have seen evidence of him wanting to bring into Goa stricter discipline for the Portuguese Catholics and perhaps the native Catholics to assure they practice 'the pure/conservative Catholic faith' as was traditionally done in Europe. As far as destruction of the Hindu temples and Moslem mosques! Was this done by the Catholic Church or was that done by conquering/colonizing authority (any colonizing authority be it Hindu, Muslim, Portuguese etc. etc.) to advance their own military-political-religious hold on the land and the conquered people? In this respects, Goan web sites that present the author's views or bias as historical facts and confuse and mix the Catholic Church with the Portuguese government actions do a disservice to Goa and Goans. In fact due to the Padrado (legal) arrangements of 1493 between the Pope and the Portuguese king, the Pope had little control even on the Catholic Church in the Portuguese colonies. Regards, Gilbert ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Re: Christians wanting things the easy way...
--- Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The geo-political reality is that bharatis are now brushing up their crap English to become call takers of MNC's. Oh that is a job. But Goans can not choose! Colaco Sorry, Bernardo, You seem to be under the impression that bharatis, a term which you seem to be using pejoratively to describe non-Goan Indians, either have crap English or never had English to begin with. If they didn't have good English, how do you explain the fact that there are many prize-winning Indian authors today in the English medium or that so many of the CEO's here in the U.S. of technology and financial firms are bharatis? I would say that their mastery of English is proven by these achievements. Their brains and linguistic talent is proven by the fact that major western countries are willing to train and employ them to work in an English-speaking MNC job market. Filomena Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Re earlier post
Not in the least intended, Cornel ... by no means ... to offend. Sorry old boy if it appeared you so. Just a little provocative polemicism. I have'nt met Per for ages, but he had got hitched up to a flaming red-haired woman soon after Clemmy. Don't know it still hitched. How is Mrs Pacheco? Took care of her when she was completely devastated. Much more so, because the poor lady got flight-delayed and reached only hours after funeral. Do read NAKED GOA by Tony Martins, if you have not already done so. Pass the word around. From: cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alfred (Tavares), Notwithstanding what you said earlier, but generously accepted as perhaps unintended, about a little knowledge being dangerous etc etc... I want to say you were spot on re my connections. PS Do tell me how you ended up in Sweden please and how Per, aka Pacheco, may be doing. _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Fw: [Goanet]Re: Science and Religion Sangam (SRS) in Goa
From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some scientists are believers themselves. It is not surprising that they are confused. There have been scientists among the Christian monks, who have taken science to great heights. They have not been confused neither in science nor in their Christian faith. There is no conflict between science and Christian faith. Ivo ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Re: Tears of blood
From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] No amount of hard evidence can defeat any faith. Do we have hard evidence in all realms of human existence? Faith is one of the sources of knowledge. To say that faith should not have a place in our life is an epistemological blunder. We have faith in men and women, faith in God, faith in otherworldly dimensions. What is faith for you? To say that there is no soul, no God, no creation also belong to the realm of faith... Ivo - Original Message - From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 6:37 AM Subject: [Goanet] Re: Tears of blood In a message dated 1/12/2004 2:22:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It would be a greater news if the red lines along the nose of the image of Christ had been tears of blood. This is possible, but this is not the case at Camorlim. Indeed, it would be much greater news. A DNA test on the blood would be the greatest archeological discovery of all time. I wonder if such a miracle has been certified by Church investigators before. This is not a defeat to the Christian faith, of which the bishops are guardians. No amount of hard evidence can defeat any faith. This is not rational skepticism! Calling it rational skepticism was meant to be a compliment. We do not doubt the possibility of miracles, neither do we invent them! How do you distinguish an invention from a real miracle? Do you determine the genetic profile of the blood in the tears, and make certain it does not belong to any living human in the world today? Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Goan surnames
Would anyone have more info about the Pango of Nadora? They were Bragancas and were at war with the Ranes over large properties / palm groves at a time when the native batallion of Goan soldiers refused to be sent to Mozambique on a mission of pacification in 1894-95. A military expedition was the sent to Goa under the command of a crown prince of Portugal to pacify Goa. Teotonio R. de Souza Another rare last name from Assagao, the Lisboas. Also (Raul Lawrence) Queiroz though this originated from 'Paklo' ancestry. Remember him with tatoos all over his muscular forearms. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]SFX
Dear Rico, Could you sum up the critical perspectives you mentioned at the XCHR History Hour meet on SFX? It would help the goanetters like me to have them from you as a critical participant in the event. Teotonio R. de Souza - Frederick Noronha wrote: Incidentally, last week, the Xavier Centre of Historical Research at Alto Porvorim conducted a 'history hour'. This was the first session of its kind, and looked at Francis Xavier. For a Jesuit-run institution, some critical perspectives came up too. Let's face the past instead of merely being defensive about it. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
