RE: [Goanet]Why Devanagri script for Konkani.
I haven't been keeping up with all the discussion on this subject so far but I was always under the impression that, before the Portuguese came, Konkani literature was written in Devanagari. If that's correct, wouldn't that be reason enough? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Fri 02/13, simon carvalho < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: simon carvalho [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:50:57 +0530 Subject: [Goanet]Why Devanagri script for Konkani. 1. Can anyone tell me why the politicians in Goa favoured Devanagri scriptfor Konkani against all other Indian scripts?2. Would the Goan Hindu Politicians have accepted Devanagri script forKonkani if Marathi was written in another script and Konkani in Devanagriscript?Simon?### Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts ## More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others ### ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re:Mhapsa Fest on 13,14,15 Feb.
Miguel Braganza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Mhapsa Fest had a double inauguration on Friday > the thirteenth February,2004. The longest and > oldest resident of Feira Alta a venerable 90 > plus something lady, affectionately known as Filsu > Mana, declared the people's festival open at 6.30 > P.M. Gurudattta Bhakta, a former resident Miguel Braganza: We need more postings from you. Mervyn __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Comparative history and Inquisition
Comparative history and Inquisition Gilbert wrote: It's always interesting to argue history and give it different perspectives. But how does one apply that knowledge of events gone by to the current world we live in? It is often said that history repeats itself. Fundamentally, IN PRINCIPLE how does Portuguese-Inquisition rule differ from Muslim-Islamic rule? Sure there are differences in detail. Tariq responds: The question you propose, smacks of bias. Here, we seem to be equating one of the most horrific aspects of Portuguese rule with Muslim-Islamic rule - a vast period and very general term. As if to give pretense to the fact that Muslim rule was at all times, similar to the Portuguese Inquisition - a small, albeit significant part of Portuguese rule and history. Apples, can never be compared with Oranges! Gilbert responds: I was giving Tariq a good pass to compare 'the good and the bad' of Portuguese-Catholic Inquisition and the Muslim-Islam rule. Unfortunately he declined the invitation to discuss political rule with religion as an important aspect of government. Hope this response is not taken as bias etc. etc. Inquisition or "the most horrific aspects of Portuguese rule" is very comparable to some eras of Muslim rule. Just ask the Parses who inhabited Persia prior to Muslim Iran. Similarly ask the Christians who were the dominant population group in the Middle East, Turkey and Egypt prior to Muslim invasion. I hope Tariq dose not suggests that it was benign Muslim government's policies that caused massive shifts in religion in the local populations. However I am not so concerned about five centuries or ago as I refer to the current events. How does Tariq feel about a 'very benevolent' Muslim government in Saudi Arabia preventing women driving cars or being out of their neighborhoods without a "husband escort" or having to wear a Bhurkha or men not drinking alcohol etc. much in the name of religion? If there was an outcry form Muslims about the blasting of Buddhist monuments in Afghanistan, perhaps the world history would be different. Similarly, why do Muslims settle easily and succeed (good for them) in 'Christian-west' while it is difficult to see the same in 'Muslim countries' which soon become one homogenous religious group? An exception perhaps being Malaysia. I hope Tariq can give us an insider's view of 'the why' and 'efforts of enlightened Muslims' in changing the clamor of the masses and some government in demanding their "Muslim countries" be converted to "Islamic Republics" (as in neighboring Pakistan), comparable to what was done in Europe during the inquisition. Of course you can duck the issue.:=)) Regards, Gilbert ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Ek Kovita: Mhojem Valentine
Mhojem Valentine F ultelea moga fullak E vkar divncheak B hitorle kallzak R ompieo fulleat E k-ek pakllicher R up tichem chitrailam C hukli kai ti vatt? H usko vhaddot veta O rdo dis sompla U gddas bhouch ieta D havun ievnchem tinnem A xelelem kalliz tikach ravtta T ichea sangatak A mrutacho sonvsar R osroxit kortana I nglle mogan zoloitam, ani K horea mogak jivit ditam Tujo Valentine Lino B. Dourado (Utodddekar-Q8) = http://www.goa-world.net/poems http://www.goa-world.net/poems/lino __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]KGTS Visiting Artiste REMMIE COLACO
Note: Remmie Colaco is a visiting artist already in Kuwait for the Kuwait-Goa Tiatristachi Sonvstha's (KGTS) Mega Musical Show Tiatr ani Tiatrist to be staged in Kuwait on February 20, 2004 at Gulf English School, Rumaithiya at 3:30 pm. Although 1904 heralded a new era of female artiste (Ms. Regina Fernandes) on Konknni Stage, much of the 20s, 30s and even early forties were dominated by the males enacting female roles on stage. Dressed as females, mimicking femal-ish voices, the males continued the characterization of females to perfection. Many top directors struggled to persuade Goan women to take up acting on the stage, however, time and again this exercise would be futile with the girls disappearing into oblivion almost after a brief stint on stage. At this stage, the demure female to perfection, Ms. Remmie, sorry Mr. Remmie Colaco was a gods gift to many directors in the 40s. Going back in the history, Remmie, started his innings in professional acting career way back in the 1940s. Hailing from Sanvordem, Remmie studied music at an early age and later proceeded to Mumbai (earlier Bombay) to pursue further studies. He took part in a few small plays and concerts presented by his friends mostly enacting female character roles. His first role in the professional tiatr Maim almost won major recognition of his talent as a singer and actor. A regular feature with AMB Rose and Edward Almeida singing duets at that stage, brought him under the gaze of other professional artistes, including none other than another mighty legend of Konknni stage, C. Alvares. This marked the era of C. Alvares-Remmie duet on-stage. Remmie also acted in many tiatrs of C. Alvares mostly enacting female character roles. By then Remmie had also paved way for himself in tiatrs of other directors. He gradually started doing male character roles in the tiatrs. Within a few years, Remmie had carved a niche for himself in this arena. In addition to his composing capabilities his singing finesse regaled the audiences. Remmie was an artist to stay. In 1955, he staged his first tiatr entitled Satvo Sacrament, followed by Bhauponnacho Kaido", "Chouto Mandament", "Sukh Tarvotteachem", "Zolmancho Gaum", "Ghorachem Suk", "Don Kallzam" ani "Atancho Teomp". Regular faces in his presentations were his close buddies and leading personalities of the stage, M. Boyer, Jacinto Vaz, and C Alvares. By now he has a record run of more than 1000 tiatrs to his credit and an equal number of songs sung on stage, All India Radio and Konknni audio albums. He has also produced one audiocassette with his own compositions. Remmie had a rare honour of his song Ankvar Moriechem Dukh selected by the AIR to be one among the best songs in Konknni language. Although now leading a quiet life, Remmie appears occasionally on stage and is still a great crowd puller. He still motivates and encourages youngster to embrace the Konknni stage. He is also instrumental in the creation of some of leading personalities of Konknni stage. KGTS Team salutes Remmie Colaco for his immense contribution to the Konknni Stage and wish him the best in his endeavours. Augusto & Gracy Morais Ribandar-Goa (Kuwait) _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP (THOUGHT FOR TODAY)!
Tuje nicheu adim fuddench kednanch sangonaka (Never tell your resolution beforehand) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]14 FEB 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS 14 February 2004 CONG CHALLENGES CM ON FINANCIAL STATUS: The Congress yesterday (Feb 13) challenged the Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar to release a white paper on the financial position of Goa failing which it will come out with a white paper on this matter. (GT) UK TEAM TO TRAIN GOAN OFFICIALS: The Rotary Club of Birmingham and Rotary clubs of Goa have launched a major international project called "Saving Lives" in the State. An initiative of UK-based Dr Peter Patel, a member of the Rotary Club of Birmingham, the project is designed to ensure better and quicker response to emergency situations. The project is essentially a multi-disciplinary partnership of different agencies, which will effectively bring together expertise in pre-hospital care, accident emergency medicine, trauma management, rescue services and management, and disaster medicine and management. (GT) "MHAPSA FEST" INAUGURATED: Filsu "Mana", the oldest women in Feira Alta-Mapusa, inaugurated the 3-day "Mhapsa Fest" yesterday (Feb 13) evening, to the accompaniment of the music played by the Ward's own brass band. Art had not come to Mapusa with such profusion as it did yesterday, and all the participating artists and the continuous flow of visitors of the five-odd houses playing art galleries, were all praise to goanetter Miguel Braganza and his enthusiastic team of Mhapxekars for putting up such a fascinating display of art, with food and beer stalls besides lively music by wellknown Mapusa bands and other entertainers. For a glimpse of the Mhapsa Fest, please visit Goacom's Audio-Video section at www.goacom.com SURVEY ON WIND ENERGY: A survey that will study the possibility of formulating and implementing a policy for promoting power generation from wind energy is all set to commence from next week in Goa. The project is slated for implementation by the Department of Science, Technology and Environment through the Goa Energy Development Agency. (H) SAD END TO LOVE AFFAIR: Ganesh Jadav (21) from Yawatmal in Maharashtra eloped with a 15-year-old girl and came to Goa on a holiday. The duo was staying at a hotel in Calangute when things apparently turned sour between the lovers and the girl slashed her wrists in an attempt to commit suicide. Jadav rushed the victim to the Primary Health Centre, Candolim, where the doctors informed him that the girl had lost a large amount of blood and was in a very serious condition. While she was being transported to the Goa Medical College hospital she succumbed to her injuries. (GT) GOA TO COMPLETE IFFI WORKS: The core committee for the International Film Festival of India has tentatively considered November 28, 2004, as the date for the inauguration of the mega entertainment event, a week ahead of the scheduled date, for its convenience and would carry out the infrastructure raising work accordingly. (NT) KONKANI GROUPS NEED FREQUENT INTERACTIONS: BJP's Union Minister of State for Defence and Parliamentary Affairs, Mr O Rajagopal, opened the 24th session of the All India Konkani Parishad in Kozhikode (Calicut) on February 13, with some 1200 delegates from four State attending. He called on all to be proud of their mother-tongue and culture. Basti Vaman Shenoy of Mangalore, who presided over the meet, said the Konkani people and organisations need frequent interactions, to develop a "sense of togetherness". (H) PAY PARKING IN VASCO: Introduction of pay parking in the port town of Vasco was scheduled on the first day of the New Year, 2004, but sadly only one meeting last year and there seems to be not much headway into the introduction. (NT) CHANGE MINDSET: "There is a need to change the mindset of the younger generation, which is more inclined towards white-collar jobs," said Governor Kidar Nath Sahani. He was speaking at the Goa University's pre-convocation function organised at the Conference Hall of GU, Taleigao, on February 13. (GT) REMO ENTHRALLS KUWAIT AUDIENCE: Goa's Remo Fernandes, after a long hiatus finally got to perform in Kuwait at the Indian Arts Circle auditorium at Funaitees to an audience of around a thousand-plus on February 6 evening. Remo got rolling with his first number "Keeps Me Moving" (which he dedicated to the people of Kuwait) followed by "Indian Lady" and thereafter, was in full flow with the Flute Song, Maria Pita Che, Humma, Huyya Ho, Pyar to Hona Hi Tha, O Meri Munni, Bombay City and other numbers interspersed with scats, guitar solos, etc. (Wellington Dias in Herald) "TRIO KINGS" LEAVE FOR KUWAIT: Joaquim-Jr Rod-Anthony alongwith the senior and veteran Konkani artiste Remy Colaco left Goa on February 11 for Kuwait. They were also accompanied by musicians Agnelo Dias and Juju. The group will participate in the mega musical extravaganza entitled "Tiatr and Tiatrist" scheduled to be staged on February 20, at Gulf English School, Rumaithiya, in Kuwait at 3.30 pm. (H) GUTTER STENCH IN PONDA: Simmering discontent over the Ponda Municipal Cou
[Goanet]Birthdays from 13th - 18th Feb 2004
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Re: [Goanet]Re: [aldona-net] Mhapsa Fest on 13,14,15 Feb.
Miguel,
I want to congratulate you and your team on putting up an excellent show at
Mhaphsa. I wish I could have been there.
Cornel
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>
> The Mhapsa Fest had a double inauguration on Friday the thirteenth
> February,2004. The longest and oldest resident of Feira Alta a venerable
90
> plus something lady, affectionately known as Filsu Mana, declared the
> people's festival open at 6.30 P.M. Gurudattta Bhakta, a former resident
> of the ward, released the special tabloid called simply as 'Mhapsa Fest'
The
> tunes of great old melodies rendered by the local brass band floated in
> from the pergola in the Olympic Garden. Adv.Francis D'Souza, Minister for
IT
> & Law and the MLA of Mapusa, inaugurated to on-stage programme at 7 P.M.
>
> Speaking on the occasion, Adv. D'Souza complimented the organizers for
> putting on a fantastic show in less than a month of preparation. It was
just
> 21 January when the idea was discussed and today the show is already on
> stage, he said. He asked the people of Mapusa to support the effort and
> revive the charm of Mapusa.
>
> The Brass band from Altinho-Vhoilo vaddo, rendered quite a few popular
songs
> and marches between 5.30 P.M. and 9 P.M. in the pergola very close to the
> art galleries. It attracted a large number of people to the area and the
> artists were happy with the flow of visitors, which was beyond their
wildest
> dreams for a show in Mapusa. There were many visitors from Panaji,too.
> Virgilio Velho, Olavio Fernandes, Antonzito Gomes and others could be seen
> in the crowd. Fellow Bardez residents like Arsenio Fernandes, Daniel
> D'Souza,Floriano Lobo, Heta Pandit,Ana Marie Goswami and others were also
> seen at the art galleries and the stage performances.
>
> After the inaugural function, there was a Children's Music presentationby
> the students of 'Taught to Teach' school of music,Mapusa. This was
followed
> by the trio " The Mexicans" led by Ambrose D'Souza on the saxaphone.
>
> Child prodigy Dwain Fernandes[9 years old] presented a Violin recital
> while
> Bradwell Pinto[7 years old] surprized the audience by accompaying his
sister
> on the electric organ.The band 'Man Machine' played in two sessions with
the
> Forefront playing Accoustic Live Music led by Seby.
> The Master of Ceremony, Nelson D'Mello read out a number of messages in
> which the people of Mapusa have requested the organizers to make this an
> annual event.The event will go on for the next two days with a grand
finale
> on Sunday.
> Warm regards,
>
>
>
> Miguel Braganza
>
>
> The programme for February,2004, Saturday
> 18.00 hours Poetry recitation[Juniors] by Anita
> Pinto's group
> 18.30 hours Presentation of Birdie Dance/Las
Ketchup
> by Meena's "Kid's
> Corner" toddlers and ex-toddlers.
> 19.15 hours Street dances by 'Angolan Angels'[aged10
> to
> 18 years.]
> 20.00 hours Group dances.[Swati & group,SMC].
> 21.30 hours Xavier's Band [Kurt Abreu& group]
> 21.45 hours Dance [Frieda's girls] Band: Arvind
> Alive
> Master of Ceremony : Judy Rodrigues & Nadia Pinto
>
>
> 15 February,2004, Sunday
> 17.00 hours March [ Rataplao] co-ordinated by
> Wynoma Faria& Len
Pereira.
> 17.30 hours Song and dance by Gurukul kids{Beena
Amonkar]
> 18.00 hours. Recitation and reading by children trained
by
> Anita Pinto.
> 18.30 hours Rock music by KARNAGE
> 19.00 hoursDumb charades by Faj colony group[Bhakta]
> 19.30 hours Dances [ Ishan Usapkar, Naomi
> Pereira,miniVeena, Ishan]
> 20.00 hours Instrumental music by Claude Gonsalves[
> Saxaphone].
> 20.10 hours Techno dance by Felly and group.
> 20.20 hours Konkani and English songs by Raisa and Veeam
> Braganza
> 20.40 hours Techno dance by Felly and group
> 20.50 hours Konkani and English songs by Raisa and Veeam
> Braganza.
> 21.20 hours Techno dance by Felly and group
> 21.30 hours Band: Ebony [ with Bonny]
> Master of Cermonies: Nelita Pereira
>
>
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[Goanet]Out station artists needed to sustain Carnival festivities in Margao ?
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- Intruz loses out to govt's remix Has the Intruz of yesteryears lost much of its traditional charm that outstation artists are roped in make the Carnival festivities attractive? For an answer, just take a look at the decision of the Margao Municipality. The Carnival committee constituted by the Civic body has decided to invite outstation artists like the internationally acclaimed remix queen, Vaishali Samant (Aika Dajiba fame) and play back singer Amin Sayani (Binaca fame). And, with the government allocating Rs 10 lakhs to organise the three-day event, the civic body has decided to spend half the amount Rs five lakh, to be precise, only on these two artistes. Curiously, the Committee feels that the duo will be the "star" attraction of this year's celebrations, while a Konkani musical show, featuring artists from Goa and Mumbai, including Lorna would be an "added" attraction. An amount of Rs 50,000 is earmarked for this Konkani show. "We are helpless. We had no option but to invite the two artistes based on the strict conditions laid down by the government", informed both MMC Chairperson, Kamlini Painginkar (ex-officio Chairperson of the Carnival committee) and her deputy and committee president, Caeitano Barbosa. The duo claimed the government has allocated Rs 10 lakhs on condition that the Municipality invite atleast one outstation artiste to perform. "We are only following the advise and guidance given by the Tourism Department", maintained Barbosa. Incidentally, the municipality was told to finalise the artists well in advance so as to facilitate the government to launch an advertisement campaign in other States well ahead of the festivities. When contacted, the Tourism Director, N Suryanarayan, however, begged to differ. He denied having imposed any such condition that the carnival committee had to invite only an outstation artist. "What we told them is that the performance during the festivities should be of high standard through artists of national repute and that the floats ought to be of high quality", he said, adding "the artist of national repute could be even Goans such as Hema Sardessai and others, and not necessarily the two artists signed by the Civic body". Saying that this year the govt has allocated Rs 10 lakhs each to Margao and Panjim to hold the festivities, he said the government wants that the local Carnival committees do not just spend the funds on prizes alone, but provide good cultural programmes. And, with the government promoting the Carnival festivities more to lure hordes of tourists than in the true spirit of the traditional Intruz, the field is apparently thrown open for outside artists. --- HERALD 14/2/04 page 1 --- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Calangute continues to dump waste at Saligao...
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- Calangute continues to dump waste at Saligao... by SHARON SEQUEIRA Calangute panchayat is yet to put into action the directives of the High Court Order regarding disposal of waste at the Saligao plateau despite more than six months having gone by, affected villagers have alleged. Saligao Civic and Consumer Cell (SCCC) president Trevor Delaney told Herald that when he and other members of the SCCC recently visited the existing garbage disposal site of the Calangute Panchayat, they observed that no segregation of waste was being carried out. Delaney said "one person was collecting PET bottles after paying a fee to the panchayat for access to the dump. Organic waste was not being treated or composted. There was no fenced area for plastic and no separate facility for medical waste. The entire garbage dump was also on fire." This is in violation of the HIgh Court order dated July 30, 2003 which allows the Calangute Panchayat to continue dumping garbage subject to certain conditions, he charged. It may be recalled that the Court directed the Calangute Village Panchayat to appoint a full time Manager to supervise and process the garbage. This Manager was given the duty to organise the segregation and management of wastes at the site. The process included the immediate treatment of organic waste with microbial agents or any other effective microorganisms, and wet garbage was to be thereafter composted. A fenced area was to be created for plastics and the same was to be periodically sent for re-cycling. A separate facility was to be maintained for medical wastes if brought to the site.The order also stipulates that no garbage is to be burnt. Mapusa-based environmental organisation's Dr Claude Alvares said the Calangute Panchayat has not put up proper disposal arrangements for the garbage brought to the site.The government as well has not taken any measures to ensure that the directions are complied with, he claims. Others too: Department of Science, Technology and Environment director Dr N P S Varde had filed an application in the Panjim Bench of the Bombay High Court for modification of the High Court order dated July 30, 2003 to the extent of allowing other Panchayats, including those of Candolim, Saligao and Arpora to use the site at Saligao plateau for dumping of garbage, instead of Calangute Panchayat alone. The application filed by Dr Varde states that "...the present site is also being used by the Panchayats of Candolim, Saligao and Arpora for disposal of garbage generated within their respective jurisdictions." Surprisingly, this application contradicts the High Court order which states "..the present site at Saligao Plateau is presently used only by Calangute Panchayat.." The application has been opposed by the Goa Foundation mainly on the grounds on non-implementation of the directives of the above mentioned judgment by the Calangute Panchayat. The Goa Foundation said that the Court permitted the Calangute Panchayat to use the site for disposal of its garbage provided it complied with the specific directions given. It has also been opposed on the grounds that the State had no locus to file the application, which should have been filed by the relevant Panchayats as they are autonomous statutory bodies with adequate powers to file such applications. It is learnt that the State has now withdrawn its application. HERALD 14/2/04 page 9 === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Konkani and Devanagri - a response to Neal Pinto
Dear Neal, I enjoy reading the Devanagri script. It adds a certain sound dimension which were not easy to attain with the Romi Script; some of the deficits have now been worked out. What I have a problem with is the Imposition of the Devanagri script. There are political, employment and other implications relevant to the Imposition of Language and Script. Language which was meant to be a Means of Communication, is being used as a Means of Discrimination. you noted on Feb 13, 2004 < I was always under the impression that, before the Portuguese came, Konkani literature was written in Devanagari. If that's correct, wouldn't that be reason enough?> If that were true, it would indeed be a good reason. However, if one looks at the pre-Portuguese history of Goa ( + Karwar & Mangalore), one is more likely to find the preceeding 300 years dominated by Urdu, Persian, Turkish and Kannad - the languages of "GOA"s Turkish, Bahamani and Vijaynagri rulers from the East and South. As far as my information goes, NONE of the above languages are scripted in Nagri. regards jc Please read the Betrayal of Konkani at the following URL http://www.colaco.net/1/Konkani2004.htm Please note how a Goan Konkani writer of 42 books was discriminated against http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGoanForum/message/905 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Information about Goa............
Though I have lived in Goa for the past two years, I have been stumped by information requested by my daughter and her family from the USA, who will be visiting Goa for about 8 days in late February 2004. Can anyone help with the following information: 1. Is there a Zoo in Goa ? Or are there nature preserves where animals can be seen, preferably animals native to Goa ? 2. Where can one see snakes, preferably King Cobras ? This comes from an 8 yhear old American child. 3. Which beach in North Goa is worth visiting, from the standpoint of having clean sand, and clean surrounding, and where one can swim in the sea ? 4. Can someone recommend a beach shack which serves good sea food such as lobster, shrimp and de-boned fish, non-spicy, as these visitors are not accustomed to spicy food. I would greatly appreciate any information anyone can provide, either by private E-Mail to me or on the net. Vivian A. D'Souza ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Aitaracheo Kaskuleo: Xantichea Parveakui Daukulam Astat
Xantichea Parveakui Daukulam Astat (Poilo Bhag) MERLYN: Selwyn, kitem somzota tuji mama? Mhojea daddy-n ghorant duddvamchim zhaddam roileant mhonnon? SELWYN: Fonar boball kiteak? Kitem zalam tem sarkem sovkas sang. Gorje bhair tapum naka. Faleam thavn tum mhoji ghorkarnn ani mhoji mama tuji sasu zatli. MERLYN: Zori tor hanv tujea upkaran naslelim zalear, jerul tumchea ghora ievn tuje mamank sangtelim aslim tujea thaim kazar zaina mhonn. Dudhsagar piknikek ghelle kodden hanv buddun mortalim tea vellar, tuvem makha salvar korun, dusrem sonvsari novem jivit dilam. Hech upkarak lagun hanv tujem gulam zalam ani nhoim tujea mama-chem SELWYN: Sang tori itkem ragan ani mottean uloupak karan kitem? MERLYN: Motteo-motteo vostu/vepar tujea mama-papan doth-denneank maglelea pormonnem mhojea mummy-daddy-n tumkam adinch pattoun dileat. Urlelem samon ghevn aiz amcho lok tumchea ghora ailolo. Mezar sogllem dennem ghalun zatokoch tuji mama soglleam hujir vonjotali khoim anik bara bangarachim pavnnam zai aslim mhonn. Sumar tin lakhachem bhangaracheo vostu mhojea daddy-n mhaka dileat. Tujea maman keddnai tori sopnant passun itlem bhangar tichea angar choddoilam? SELWYN: Polle Merlyn. Hi doth-dennem tum mhonntai nhoi, ti mhaka kainch khobor na. Fokt hanv zannam tum mhojea jivitachi doulot mhonn. Tujea thaim girest gunn asat dekhun hanvem tujo mog kela ani nhoim tum ek vhodd girest bapaichi dhuv mhonnon. MERLYN: Hem tujea mama-papak sangchem. Jea disa tim kazarachem ulovnem korunk ailelim tedna tannim bazarant 'shopping list' ghevn vhetat te toren amchea ghora ailelim. Kosleo-kosleo vostu denneank zai teo adim-fuddench boroun haddlelem. Mhojea mummy-daddyn, tujea ghorcheani maglelem titlench dilam astanai bi, tujea mamachi kosli caposdade zali vhoddlea tonddan sangunk anik bara bangarachim panvnnam zai mhonn? Ani tenvuim zalear borlelea loka samkara? SELWYN: Mhojea mama-papan kitem maglem ani tumi kitem dilem tem mhaka poddunk na. Thodea vella adim, tuka hanvem sanglam tuje bore gunn mhoji doulot mhonn. Ghorant kitem cholllam ani chollta ti bilkull mhaka khobor asona kiteak, sokallcho utthun hanv mhoje nokrek vetam. Bambolim Goenche Voiziki Kollejint junior doctor koso vavurtam. Dor disa tambonastana kitlech duenticho ilaz korcho poddtta. Kamacho mekhlo zavn, sanjer bosin ghora pavtta mhollear jiv sarko toktta. MERLYN: Hech khatir mhojo daddy, tuka Santro motor-gaddi ghevn ditlo nhoi? Zanvuim bosin ghora ieta mhollear tokttolo ani dhuvechi khobor ghenvchea adinch nidhunk vhetlo mum? Mhonntoch, tum sangta tea porim ghorant kitem chollta hi tuka kainch khobor na tor? SELWYN: Hench tuka kedoi passun sangunk sodtam ponn tum. MERLYN: Aik bore toren. Tumchea kuznant novo freeze, cooking range, micro-oven, bathroom-ant washing machine heo purai vostu mhojea daddy-n dileat SELWYN: Ponn mhoji mama sango ho sogllo vepar MERLYN: Modench uloinaka. Tuji mama, tuka sangta asteli zoxem tumchea xezareank-soireank sanglam tea bhaxen, Ponnje, Dom Bosco moidanar Shopping Festival zallo tedna discount-ar vepar ghetla, oxem nhoi? SELWYN: Hoi. Mama kitem tori sangtali.. MERLYN: Tumchea ghorant kitem chollta tachi tuka zanvi asa? Na!! Tum kamacho tokun ieta ani mhojea thaim kednai fonar uloilo vo na uloilolo, jevlo ani nidhlo. Hem tujem sodamchem 'routine' zalam. Zannaim? Kuznantlo porno vepar kaddun tuje dusre bhoinink ji Agonda, Terence Cabral hachea lagim kazar zalea, tika dileat. Novem sofa set, TV, digital VCD/DVD, stereo home theater set mhojea daddy-n haddtoch tumcheo porneo vostu kaddun Canacona-chea Milagres Fernandes hache thaim kazar kelle vhoddle bhoinink dileat. Pornem dinning table ani koddelam Candolimchea Xavier Fernandes hache thaim kazar zalle bhoinichea hodddear vorun marleat. Nidhpache kuddinle bed, cupboard, dressing table kaddun Quepemcho zanvoi Micky Faleirak nidhunk dileat. Ani tuka Santro motor-gaddi ghevn dita mhonn aikona fuddem tujea papachi porni Lambreta scooter asli ti tumchea poskem Remartizachea ghovak Ligorio Karwarkar haka dilea khoim. SELWYN: Tum sangtam tem sarkem asa. Mhonnchem, amchea ghorant noveo vostu dixttat, ponn mama sango teo vostu shopping festival-ak vinkteo ghetleat mhonn. MERLYN: Tuji mama bhouch fotting. Tumche ghorant novo vepar asa tanchim billam ani 'warranty cards' mhojea lagim asat. Dowry harassment IPC 498/A section lavn tuje mamank ani tumkam soglleank nitiche kaidea fuddean ubim korunk zatat. Ponn dantui ani ontthui mhojech. SELWYN: Mhoje mama votin hanv tuje thaim mafi magtam. MERLYN: Mhojea daddy thaim ghoddtta mhonn dilam. Ani zori tor konnui ek gorib cheddum zallem zalear tuji mama tea gorib avoi-bapaichem rogot pillun pieta asteli asli. Tujea ghorcheani maglele vostum bhair nogot duddu-i bi maglele te divn mhojea daddy-n ek famad 'journalist' Xri Peter Antao hachea putak vinktto ghetla. Faleam resper zavn hanv tumchea ghorant bhitor sortelim. Mhonntoch, tujea mama-nk somzai. Tichi jib mhojea fuddem lamb zait
[Goanet]VALENTINE DAY is BASANT PANCHAMI in INDIA
St Valentine would roll in his grave if he learnt that in the Eastern hemisphere some hypocrites -fundamentalist fanatics- were opposed to Valentine's Day ---Incidentally , it is the date he was executed in the later part of the 250 BC. The day when St Valentine conveyed the message of LOVE to his blind beloved. It is not restricted to juvenile love of adolscents as it is commonly beloved --- it is LOVE for all. Husbands and wives Parents and Children just anyone who holds someone in deep love and affection. It is a physiological upheavel of the endrocines in our body which are responsible for the emotive feelings and is inborn. It is understood only by those that vibe -- call it compatibility with ones sun signs (western) or the moon signs (Indian). So whats wrong in devoting a Day from our busy schedule to a few moments of a discreet confession just " I LOVE YOU " and the exchange of small tokens or symbols of ones love to another? Should one run riot??? Is celebrating birthdays singing HAPPY BIRTH -- DAY TO YOU Indian culture? What when politicians celebrate birthdays with egg prepared cakes thrust in mouth --- is it Indian culture? What when a rabid rustic loud mouthed convent educated fundamentalist fanatic now a Chief Minister of an Indian state cut a birthday cake recently? despite all the show of being a devout desi embedded in Indian culture ? What when the film fare awards -- proceedings conducted in English? Is it Indian culture? What when dancers are imported from abroad to appease stiff seated conservative "desi" audience Is it promoting Indian culture? Why celebrate 1st January New Years Day when every religious denomination in this country have their own New Years Day. Is it part of Indian culture?? To begin with a hello pronounced as HELL - LOW? on Telephone --- is it Indian culture? Hindi film actor and actresses intersperse their talks interviews in words in English on the visual media often using word "actually" several times as punctuation? Is this reflecting Indian culture?? What about the cat walks fashion shows in the metropolitan cities and now almost at all English medium institutions of learning or elitist cultural events --- Is it Indian culture??? Why come down to our beautiful Goa in hordes and droves to enjoy -- "or dance karo "for Christmas -- pronounced in desi style as "KRIST MASS" Is rocking with hair flung and hands curling in the air and wobbling on the floor with pot bellied stomachs and formal clothes in "PARTY ZONES" imbibing western styles an Indian culture??. How could a regional political outfit think of a Michael Jackson performance on stage at Mumbai with all this hatred pitched against westernisation? What when cricket has become the next religion of Indians where any one who defeats it is condemned or even the Indian players are considered as betrayers or traitors antinationals --- Is this the Indian culture?? One could go on endlessly to show how the fundamentalist fanatics are hypocrites??? Why not each religion celebrate their respective New Years and other cultural festivities in their own culture and promote a blend of harmonious mosaic of all cultures. The westerners are impressed by our true Indian culture they have come down to witness the historical ruins of Hampi, the Kumbh Mela, the then Rajneesh Ashram the Hare Ram Hare Krishna Missions etcand they have been deeply influenced by our ancient Indian culture which is rich and incomparable. Dont we have Hindu temples in Iraq, UK Indonesia Portugal is this not a respect shown to our culture?? It is time that those that stray from the path of what is enshrined in our sacred Constitution are put behind bars for sedition and branded as antinationals. The equivalent of Valentine Day this year could be found in "Basant Panchami" 15 January 2004 the first day of spring in India beginning with Makarsakranti 14 Jan (kite flying day) 2004 and ending in Mahashivratri 18 February 2004. It is the period according to mythology where Lord Krishna enamoured by a married women Radha never actually married her. It was only that he showed his love affection and passion for her. Instead of the fundamentalist fantics destroying a westernised culture celebrated by the minorities and now the elite WOGS (western oriented gentlemen) by ransacking shops and burning Valentine cards in urban cosmopolitan metropolis areas -- I would willingly join hands with any Indian celebrating the "Basant Panchami" just as I enjoyed indulging in the festival of Phalgun --- Holi -- in then Bombay (now Mumbai) Let us make a new beginning with Valentine Day oassed by our Indian traditions teach as to show respect for all religions and cultures --- Come to Goa it is a cauldron of such communal harmony but the fundamentalists fanatics stay away please.. godfrey j. i. gonsalves borda margao goa Yahoo!
[Goanet]Re: Brush Up Your Konkani by Basilio Magno
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:57:07 +0530, simon carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are many Goans interested to write in Konkani but no one knows > how many are interested to read or learn Konkani. RESPONSE: If you are referring to Goanet - Goanet is FOR Goenkars by Goenkarsand Konkani is the language of Goenkars.so keep writing in KonkaniI'm sure there are many interested..and for those disinterested there is always the DELETE key. Viva Konkani !! Viva Goa !! - Bosco ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]MHAPSA FEST - a promising beginning for NORTH GOA
At the Mhapsa Fest 13th to 15th February, 2004 --- at Altinho Mapusa beyond the precincts of the Mhapsa Court. There are Portuguese era houses which are a cynosure of all eyes. This quite surroundings is witness to the three day extravaganza of Art and culture display. The owners of the houses have permitted the balcaos and some interiors of an unoccupied house to be used as display premises. So the first I meet is the ever smiling Alexyx ---with his display of caricatures and photographs buy Joel D Souza. They are arranged in a large house belonging to Ms Iris D Costa a reputed photographer of yester years. The house needs repairs and if only some good samaritan could help a beautiful house can be saved. Yes and Alexyz had this to say-- "Fontainhas is for the professionals "(meaning the recent Fonatainhas festival held for the second year in succession by Heta Pandit and group under the NGO Goa Heritage Action Group..where he unceremoniusly walked off in a huff when the alloted space was not given to him.) while this is for those in the North and Bardezcars and above all amateurs" This indeed was a nice beginning for Friday the 13th on Mhapsa Friday Bazaar Day. Then there was an almost unknown Carol Fernandes a Gulf returnee from Doha Qatar -- her display of egg shell works drew the attention of this writer. Dont these egg shells forming decorative items violate the wild life act.. No said she --- I have a certificate from the Australian Government to bring down the Kangaroo and the Emus eggs --- there are duck eggs etc and other effects made on zince sheets --- "Are these embossed" no says a blushing Carol thats the secret" And could I conveniently say that you are the only one featuring this exhibit of various egg shells in goa "I dont know" says Carol but definitely in the UAE we did a course on that --- Such egg shells come from UK and if one compares my creations they stand a poor comparison to those seen abroad. But it was her hubby John Patrick Fernandes from Anjuna now settled in Housing Board Mhapsa that encouraged her to do something -- meaning exhibit her preparations. Asked whether she intends to sell -- she has not thought of it yet. Then we move to a side entrance and we Ha ve young Pankars paintings he drew his inspiration from next door neighbour Thomas Vaz. I move to the next house and meet the spritely Thomas Vaz his parents hailed from Pedda Navelim in Salcete Goa but they moved to Mhapsa several years ago --- we still speak "sashti konkni" said Thomas Vaz---He is unlettered but since the age of 16 years he took to photography. How did it come to you he said --- when you cook rice you know you use salt rice and boil and see what happens and that is self learning" I shot such images and he proudly points to the See Cathedral in Old Goa to get that footage he chopped tree branches and from a precarious position he clicked this prized phtograph then --- there is another one in 1958 he is this time with Vassalo Silva the last Governor General of Goa before Liberation. "This was during his visit to Mhapsa at a place where Hotel Heera stands. There was a photgraph of a Kunbi woman in traditional outfit another in loin cloth "casti" Now what are his plans --- he is opening an art gallery in Mhapsa Bazaar at a 40m2 premise of his own . "But I will call it "Thomas Vaz Arte Photographica" it will be a hall where photographs are placed spaciously with small legends to explain. Then there will be T Shirts presentation items like cups etc for the visitors" I intend to devoute myself fully to this and do justice to pphotgraphy" And have you trained anyone? this writer asked of him reminding of the Hindu teachings where we are all actors on this stage (on Earth) unless we pass on our talent to others it is believed we have not fulfilled the desire of our Creator Yes its true till this day my children are not interested but I have a 4 year grand daughter who has a penchant for photography "Yeah but that will be a long time to come " I said he agrees with me and assures that Pankar the neighbour next door was inspired by him but he would deifinitely give a thought to this suggestion once he is on his own. He signed a collection of Photgraphs and presented to me with an invite to his new art House. Some told him there was TVAP photographs seen on the net and he was amused for he is yet not cybersavy but he does intend to do some slides for posterity and a meticulously arranged album with photography from 1956 onwards will be on display.. He hjas held an exhibition at the Kala Academy visited by CM Manohar Parrikar and has received National awards for his works. The cultural shows begin late evening so its worth the start given by Lucinda Cabral Ceaser Cabral Pamela Cabral and Micael and Mhapsa Fest though was presented in a hurry has apromising bright future -- it is intended to be held a week before the Caranaval celebrations every year So its good news
[Goanet]SAVE MHADEI (MANDOVI ) RIVER -- SAVE GOA
Save Mhadei River (as it is known in Karnataka ) and Mandovi (as it is known in Goa ) is the brain child of Rajendra Kerkar of Sattari.. The author of a book "The way we are " written in Marathi now translated in English by Ms Shilpa Bhide and serialised on the English daily the Gomantak Times is a "must read" novel for all those conscious of the rich biodiversity that the Western ghats provide --- along the River Mhadei which originates in Karnataka. With the Malprabha dam on the karnataka side now being diverted it could affect the life line of those along the course of the river. Kerkar and his fellow youthful environmentalist captured tracked the entire course of the river right from its mouth in Karnataka after gruelling encounters with varied species. 52 blow-ups now tastefully displayed at the Kala Academy for three days provide eye catching images as seen in the Discovery channel of the fauna, found therein. Such is the emotive bonds of nature and humankind that a Northern Col Ravindra Kumar Swahaney was enchanted by the verdant scenario shifted base from Meerut in Uttar Pradesh the cow belt most populous State of India is now guiding the villagers to save the Mahdei basin. Destruction of forest land for cultivation of cash crops like sugarcane and for other commercial purposes along the highway now being constructed is attracting realators to this verdant land. On the Goa side the tributaries are being affected the openings of streams are being destroyed by the mining lobby. A 30 minute slide presentation by Col Swahaney was the event of this evening. A birds eye view picture of Belgaum city and the destruction of forest by human greed were unique presentations which alarm one on the happenings in the interior backward talukas of Goa Sanguem and Sattari. Support the cause for which Rajendra Kerkar is fighting. The Mhadei Bachao Committee under ex Congress President and Power Minister Ms Nirmala Sawant of Cumbarjua has done yeomen service to bring the degradation of the Mhadei into focus. Visit the website www.savemhadei.org Incidentally Goa Sudharop awarded Mr Rajendra Kerkar for his excellent achievements. He is a man to be watched a promising low profile field environmentalist. from the Kala Academy campus godfrey j . i. gonsalves borda margao goa Yahoo! India Insurance Special: Be informed on the best policies, services, tools and more. Go to: http://in.insurance.yahoo.com/licspecial/index.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Why Devanagri script for Konkani.
Neal & Neil, Do the two of you, Goa-boys, know each other. You too live in Torronto area, Neal? My God-son, Neil, does. Alfred From: "Neal Pinto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Goanet]Why Devanagri script for Konkani. Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:29:11 -0500 (EST) I haven't been keeping up with all the discussion on this subject so far but I was always under the impression that, before the Portuguese came, Konkani literature was written in Devanagari. If that's correct, wouldn't that be reason enough? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]VALENTINE DAY is BASANT PANCHAMI in INDIA
I always read your writings with interest. A few comments on your latest gem. <> Why come down to our beautiful Goa in hordes and > droves to enjoy -- "or dance karo "for Christmas -- > pronounced in desi style as "KRIST MASS" > Dont just criticize, teach us how to pronounce it correctly. air and wobbling on the floor with pot bellied > stomachs and formal clothes in "PARTY ZONES" > imbibing > western styles an Indian culture??. < Is a pot belly an attribute of western or indian culture? Telephone --- is it Indian culture? > You lost me here, friend. Are you complaining about how indians pronounce the word or suggesting the word is un-indian? prepared cakes thrust in mouth --- is it Indian > culture?< Eating cakes is un-indian ? or were you suggesting politicians be made to live on bread and water? If the later, I agree. <> Hindi film actor and actresses intersperse their > talks > interviews in words in English on the visual media > often using word "actually" several times as > punctuation? Is this reflecting Indian culture?? > Hey, Anyone who criticizes goddesses like Madhuri, Poonam or Ash better be careful. > > What about the cat walks fashion shows in the > metropolitan cities and now almost at all English > medium institutions of learning or elitist cultural > events --- Is it Indian culture??? Have you watched fashion tv lately ? Beautiful scantily clad young women, on 24 hours a day. If you are proposing depriving us of such simple pleasures, mind your business. >>What when a rabid rustic loud mouthed convent > educated > fundamentalist fanatic now a Chief Minister of an > Indian state cut a birthday cake recently? despite > all the show of being a devout desi embedded in > Indian > culture ? >> Do not be shy, name names. A convent educated rustic ? Who is he, inquiring minds want to know. >Dont we have Hindu temples in Iraq, UK Indonesia > Portugal is this not a respect shown to our > culture?? > Why do always confuse the hindu religion with indian culture ? > Instead of the fundamentalist fantics destroying a > westernised culture celebrated by the minorities and > now the elite WOGS (western oriented gentlemen) > by ransacking shops and burning Valentine cards in > urban cosmopolitan metropolis areas -- > I would be careful about using the term wog. It is a derogatory reference to non-whites affecting western culture and mannerisms. celebrating the "Basant Panchami" just as I enjoyed > indulging in the festival of Phalgun --- Holi -- in > then Bombay (now Mumbai) > I doubt that most indians who read your bile filled tripe would want to celebrate anything with you, but thanks for the invitation. Happy Valentines Day. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Comparative history and Inquisition
--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gilbert responds: > I was giving Tariq a good pass to compare 'the good and the bad' of > Portuguese-Catholic Inquisition and the Muslim-Islam rule. Unfortunately > he declined the invitation to discuss political rule with religion as an > important aspect of government. Hope this response is not taken as bias > etc. etc. > > Inquisition or "the most horrific aspects of Portuguese rule" is very > comparable to some eras of Muslim rule. Just ask the Parses who > inhabited Persia prior to Muslim Iran. Similarly ask the Christians who > were the dominant population group in the Middle East, Turkey and Egypt > prior to Muslim invasion. I hope Tariq dose not suggests that it was > benign Muslim government's policies that caused massive shifts in > religion in the local populations. However I am not so concerned about > five centuries or ago as I refer to the current events. How does Tariq > feel about a 'very benevolent' Muslim government in Saudi Arabia > preventing women driving cars or being out of their neighborhoods > without a "husband escort" or having to wear a Bhurkha or men not > drinking alcohol etc. much in the name of religion? > > If there was an outcry form Muslims about the blasting of Buddhist > monuments in Afghanistan, perhaps the world history would be different. > Similarly, why do Muslims settle easily and succeed (good for them) in > 'Christian-west' while it is difficult to see the same in 'Muslim > countries' which soon become one homogenous religious group? An > exception perhaps being Malaysia. I hope Tariq can give us an insider's > view of 'the why' and 'efforts of enlightened Muslims' in changing the > clamor of the masses and some government in demanding their "Muslim > countries" be converted to "Islamic Republics" (as in neighboring > Pakistan), comparable to what was done in Europe during the inquisition. > Of course you can duck the issue.:=)) > Regards, Gilbert Whenever the issue of "Inquisition" comes up on this net, and I add my two cents, Gilbert finds it an obligation to remind me of the ills of Muslim society. Wonder who is really ducking the issue. -Tariq __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Why Devanagri script for Konkani.
I live in Winnipeg. I was briefly in Toronto last month but I have never lived there. Although I am aware that there are other Pintos with the first name Neal/Neil, I regret to say that I do not know any of them personally. Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Sat 02/14, Alfred de Tavares < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Alfred de Tavares [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:38:30 +0100 Subject: RE: [Goanet]Why Devanagri script for Konkani. Neal & Neil, Do the two of you, Goa-boys, know each other. You too live in Torronto area, Neal? My God-son, Neil, does. Alfred ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Konkani and Devanagri - a response to Neal Pinto
I'm not proficient in the Devanagri script but, from my experiences with it, I agree that it offers far more detail than the Roman script. > However, if one looks at the pre-Portuguese > history of Goa ( + Karwar & Mangalore), one > is more likely to find the preceeding 300 > years dominated by Urdu, Persian, Turkish > and Kannad - the languages of "GOA"s > Turkish, Bahamani and Vijaynagri rulers from > the East and South. > > As far as my information goes, NONE of the > above languages are scripted in Nagri. That may very well be true but we are not talking about Farsi, Turkish or Urdu. Are you saying that Konkani was originally written in Kannada and/or Persian scripts - or are you suggesting that Konkani never existed prior to Portuguese rule? When I have more time, I'll check out the articles for which you have provided links. Thanks, Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Sat 02/14, Jose Colaco < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Jose Colaco [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:10:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Goanet]Konkani and Devanagri - a response to Neal Pinto Dear Neal, I enjoy reading the Devanagri script. It adds a certain sound dimension which were not easy to attain with the Romi Script; some of the deficits have now been worked out. What I have a problem with is the Imposition of the Devanagri script. There are political, employment and other implications relevant to the Imposition of Language and Script. Language which was meant to be a Means of Communication, is being used as a Means of Discrimination. you noted on Feb 13, 2004 < I was always under the impression that, before the Portuguese came, Konkani literature was written in Devanagari. If that's correct, wouldn't that be reason enough?> If that were true, it would indeed be a good reason. However, if one looks at the pre-Portuguese history of Goa ( + Karwar & Mangalore), one is more likely to find the preceeding 300 years dominated by Urdu, Persian, Turkish and Kannad - the languages of "GOA"s Turkish, Bahamani and Vijaynagri rulers from the East and South. As far as my information goes, NONE of the above languages are scripted in Nagri. regards jc Please read the Betrayal of Konkani at the following URL http://www.colaco.net/1/Konkani2004.htm Please note how a Goan Konkani writer of 42 books was discriminated against http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGoanForum/message/905 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Interesting reading
The Insaf News Bulletin for Feb 2004 is online at: http://insaf.net/central/bulletins/200402bull.html The highlights of the bulletin are as follows: Op-Eds: -- The US may extend its occupation of Afghanistan to Pakistan Can Congress meet the BJP challenge? Part 2 - Daya Varma World Social Forum and Mumbai Resistance 2004 - Daya Varma Thoughts of a Secular Sufi (Eqbal Ahmad) - Noam Chomsky Reflection on by-gone days - Part 2 - Missing Sharmaji - Syed Mohammad Mehdi News Briefs: --- Correction Gujarat High Court judgment in the Best Bakery case a farce Social activists Sarita and Mahesh murdered in Bihar Indias President oblivious to national needs in his Republic Day address Hindutva campaign against citizens of foreign origin Revolutionary on PWG's hit list JKLF leader appeals to Kashmiri Pundits Chetawani (warning) Rally in Jharkhand People revenge the mastermind of Bathe Massacre Honor killings blot the face of Pakistani society Nepals UML likely to support Maoists demand for a Constituent Assembly British judge Lord Hutton obscures the truth Iranian fundamentalists unwilling to public outcry for reform Obituary: Krishna Raj (1937-2004) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]SUNDAY SPECIAL: Crime ring sells fake Portuguese passports
PORTUGAL-INDIA: Crime Rings Sell Fake Portuguese Passports By Mario de Queiroz LISBON, Feb 13 (IPS) - A Portuguese official thought he was seeing things when he read a huge billboard offering Portuguese passports, along the highway running from the airport to the centre of the city of Goa in western India. ''Worried about your future and wish to keep your family's options open? Take advantage of the benefits of Portuguese nationality, which is available to all people from Goa'', read the billboard. Similar ads can also be seen in Diu and Daman, the other two cities in western India that along with Goa formed the Portuguese State of India (PSI) until late 1961. Indian citizens entitled to Portuguese nationality because they or their forebears were born in the PSI before Portugal pulled out frequently apply for passports to sell for a paltry sum to organised crime rings. The mafias then sell them at a high price not only to people from other parts of India but also to citizens of neighbouring countries who are physically similar to Indians, like Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. The process of applying for a passport costs nearly 700 dollars. The crime rings then sell the documents for between 1,240 and 1,860 dollars, according to information disseminated early this month by Goan-born Portuguese parliamentary Deputy Narana Coissoro. The secretary of state of the Portuguese community, Jose Cesario, was the Portuguese official who spied the billboards on his way to Goa during a visit to the former enclaves in India late last year. But despite the efforts by Portugal's judicial police, and by the Civil Registry, where 11,221 passport applications are under investigation, Portuguese authorities admit that the racket continues. Cesario said ''sales of Portuguese nationality have become a lucrative business'' for crime rings that specialise in forgeries and in trafficking immigrants to the European Union (EU), of which Portugal forms part. When asked about the shady business by international analyst Ana Cristina Pereira who writes for the Lisbon newspaper Publico, the lawyer for the former PSI, Teresa Colaco, said ''there are less billboards in the streets now, but there are still ads posted every day in the newspapers'' in Goa, Diu and Daman. Since Portugal joined the European Economic Community, now the EU, in 1986, applications for Portuguese passports have soared, peaking between 2000 and 2003 at double the number of a decade and a half earlier. Since the start of the 21st century, an increasing number of cases of ''usurpation of identity'' began to be seen, with ''applications submitted under the names of people who had already applied for Portuguese nationality,'' said Conceicao de Jacinto, the head of the judicial police forgeries department. The judicial police estimate that 15,000 people from India have applied for Portuguese citizenship in consulates since 1994, and that less than half did so on the basis of genuine birth certificates and other documents. Among the bearers of adulterated Portuguese passports -- which differ from fake ones in that the document is authentic although the information it contains is not -- are alleged Indian terrorists Abu Salem and Masood Azad, who were captured in Lisbon in 2002. Neither had any family relations in the former PSI. Portuguese law stipulates that citizens born in the former PSI before Dec. 19, 1961 are entitled to Portuguese nationality. On that day in 1961, the governor of the PSI, General Antonio Vassalo e Silva, ordered the Portuguese military garrisons defending the borders to surrender when they found themselves surrounded by Indian troops sent in by then-prime minister Jahawarlal Nehru. That was seen as the formal end to Europe's long colonial history in India, which began in 1498 with the arrival of Admiral Vasco da Gama's Portuguese fleet, and later involved British and Dutch possessions. The current law ''assumes that at that time, the citizens of Goa, Diu and Daman were forced to adopt Indian nationality, and because of that, they are still offered today the possibility of recuperating their old Portuguese nationality, a right that extends three generations,'' lawyer José de Castro told IPS. The cases of India in 1961 and East Timor in 1975 ''were very different from Portugal's peaceful withdrawal from Brazil almost two centuries ago, from Africa (Angola, Cape Verde, Guinea-Bissau, Mozambique and Sao Tomé and Príncipe) in 1974 and 1975, and from Macau in 1999, because there was no invasion in the latter cases.'' Because the former possessions in India and East Timor were ''invaded by countries as big and powerful as India and Indonesia (in the case of East Timor), Portugal had little time to pull out,'' and in their disorderly retreat, ''officials did not take care of documents, which were poorly preserved or lost, and many of them are now illegible, which facilitates
[Goanet-news]SUNDAY SPECIAL: Crime ring sells fake Portuguese passports
PORTUGAL-INDIA: Crime Rings Sell Fake Portuguese Passports By Mario de Queiroz LISBON, Feb 13 (IPS) - A Portuguese official thought he was seeing things when he read a huge billboard offering Portuguese passports, along the highway running from the airport to the centre of the city of Goa in western India. ''Worried about your future and wish to keep your family's options open? Take advantage of the benefits of Portuguese nationality, which is available to all people from Goa'', read the billboard. Similar ads can also be seen in Diu and Daman, the other two cities in western India that along with Goa formed the Portuguese State of India (PSI) until late 1961. Indian citizens entitled to Portuguese nationality because they or their forebears were born in the PSI before Portugal pulled out frequently apply for passports to sell for a paltry sum to organised crime rings. The mafias then sell them at a high price not only to people from other parts of India but also to citizens of neighbouring countries who are physically similar to Indians, like Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. The process of applying for a passport costs nearly 700 dollars. The crime rings then sell the documents for between 1,240 and 1,860 dollars, according to information disseminated early this month by Goan-born Portuguese parliamentary Deputy Narana Coissoro. The secretary of state of the Portuguese community, Jose Cesario, was the Portuguese official who spied the billboards on his way to Goa during a visit to the former enclaves in India late last year. But despite the efforts by Portugal's judicial police, and by the Civil Registry, where 11,221 passport applications are under investigation, Portuguese authorities admit that the racket continues. Cesario said ''sales of Portuguese nationality have become a lucrative business'' for crime rings that specialise in forgeries and in trafficking immigrants to the European Union (EU), of which Portugal forms part. When asked about the shady business by international analyst Ana Cristina Pereira who writes for the Lisbon newspaper Publico, the lawyer for the former PSI, Teresa Colaco, said ''there are less billboards in the streets now, but there are still ads posted every day in the newspapers'' in Goa, Diu and Daman. Since Portugal joined the European Economic Community, now the EU, in 1986, applications for Portuguese passports have soared, peaking between 2000 and 2003 at double the number of a decade and a half earlier. Since the start of the 21st century, an increasing number of cases of ''usurpation of identity'' began to be seen, with ''applications submitted under the names of people who had already applied for Portuguese nationality,'' said Conceicao de Jacinto, the head of the judicial police forgeries department. The judicial police estimate that 15,000 people from India have applied for Portuguese citizenship in consulates since 1994, and that less than half did so on the basis of genuine birth certificates and other documents. Among the bearers of adulterated Portuguese passports -- which differ from fake ones in that the document is authentic although the information it contains is not -- are alleged Indian terrorists Abu Salem and Masood Azad, who were captured in Lisbon in 2002. Neither had any family relations in the former PSI. Portuguese law stipulates that citizens born in the former PSI before Dec. 19, 1961 are entitled to Portuguese nationality. On that day in 1961, the governor of the PSI, General Antonio Vassalo e Silva, ordered the Portuguese military garrisons defending the borders to surrender when they found themselves surrounded by Indian troops sent in by then-prime minister Jahawarlal Nehru. That was seen as the formal end to Europe's long colonial history in India, which began in 1498 with the arrival of Admiral Vasco da Gama's Portuguese fleet, and later involved British and Dutch possessions. The current law ''assumes that at that time, the citizens of Goa, Diu and Daman were forced to adopt Indian nationality, and because of that, they are still offered today the possibility of recuperating their old Portuguese nationality, a right that extends three generations,'' lawyer José de Castro told IPS. The cases of India in 1961 and East Timor in 1975 ''were very different from Portugal's peaceful withdrawal from Brazil almost two centuries ago, from Africa (Angola, Cape Verde, Guinea-Bissau, Mozambique and Sao Tomé and Príncipe) in 1974 and 1975, and from Macau in 1999, because there was no invasion in the latter cases.'' Because the former possessions in India and East Timor were ''invaded by countries as big and powerful as India and Indonesia (in the case of East Timor), Portugal had little time to pull out,'' and in their disorderly retreat, ''officials did not take care of documents, which were poorly preserved or lost, and many of them are now illegible, which facilitates
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"DRAGON FEST" AT DONA PAULA Last evening (February 14) journalist-event manager Ethel da Costa organised a superb festival of music "Dragon Fest" at the Dona Paula jetty on the occasion of Valentine's Day. The three bands performing there were Goa's Tidal Wave, Mumbai's Zero and US-based Dragon Fly. Check www.goacom.com at Audio-Video News for a clipping of the event. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Why Devanagri script for Konkani.
Hi all, I have always felt, it's better for Konkani to be written and taught in the 'devnagiri' script, in post portuguese era, for a lot of good reasons. 1)Konkani is the language of the whole of the Konkan Coast, and that's where we Goans get our strenght in 'mumbers of persons' whose mother tongue it is! 2)Even in the South Konkan Coast, where the language is perhaps written in their local script; it is advantageous to them from the South as well as the Goan and North Konkan Coast people to be learning and becoming fluent in the 'Devnagiri' script which is after all the script of the adopted 'National language, Hindi'; It helps all the people of the region to be profficient in The Roman Script (which is learnt for the English: which is also one of India's national languages and other European languages), and Devnagiri, which is important in today's India. 3) Proficiency in both major scripts in "India of the Day", helps one to acquire more language skills where required, and furthers one's chances of interacting and job seeking and or business successes. Skills in the South Indian Language script is not really neeccessary as all over the 'South', English and the roman script are more widely known and welcomed, I would say. Her is my suggestion for ending this language and script burden on our students and peoples of India: Adopt only English as the language at the national federal level in every way; Adoption of Hindi at the national level has marginalised a lot of non Hindi speaking people; and this has to stop now! In the States, the States should have the choice of adopting the regional Language in addition to English as the lingua franca. This way all regional languages are cared for and developed, in addition to English without which we cannot do. To soften the blow to national pride and ego English in India could be termed Hinglish! Hindi should be declared as a regional language; does not matter how big the Hindi region is. If the Hindi belt does not accept this compromise, then the Southern Dravidian peoples should insist that all Hindi people shouild pass a test in two or more Southern Languages with their script; and unless this is accomplished they will not be deemed 'secondary school graduates' and not allowed to go on to University. Tit for tat! The Hindi speaking region alone is not India and therefore why should the mother tongue of these people alone be used to crush other people and burden them with Hindi which in world terms is an underdeveloped language after all! Freedom from Hindi opression and fluency and profficiency in regional and English languages should be the Goal! Only then will India be able to make more rapid strides in every field of human endeavour. See ya! Nasci Caldeira. From: simon carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Why Devanagri script for Konkani. Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:50:57 +0530 1. Can anyone tell me why the politicians in Goa favoured Devanagri script for Konkani against all other Indian scripts? 2. Would the Goan Hindu Politicians have accepted Devanagri script for Konkani if Marathi was written in another script and Konkani in Devanagri script? Simon? ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## _ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Brush Up Your Konkani by Basilio Magno
--- Bosco D'Mello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:57:07 +0530, simon carvalho > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > There are many Goans interested to write in > Konkani but no one knows > > how many are interested to read or learn Konkani. > > RESPONSE: If you are referring to Goanet - Goanet is > FOR Goenkars by > Goenkarsand Konkani is the language of > Goenkars.so keep writing in > KonkaniI'm sure there are many > interested..and for those disinterested > there is always the DELETE key. > > Viva Konkani !! Viva Goa !! > > - Bosco Bosco bab, Tum sarko uloilo. Lino Dourado > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), > and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > ## = http://www.goa-world.net/poems http://www.goa-world.net/poems/lino __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Correction in Happy St. Valentine's Day and Choicest Blessings -
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:24:27 +0100, "Magno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Compatriots, I noticed belatedly that in my last posting I made a typing mistake in the year of Princess Cristina's wedding. That should have read "in 1997" and not 1977 The same goes for the copyright year of the song...1997 Memory sometimes plays tricks on me when I do a job in a hurry. Sorry. Basilio Magno Feb 13-15, 2004 - First "Mhapsa Fest" ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Complaints by tourists of overcharging by taxis dent Goa's image
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:13:57 + (GMT), vivek araujo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Are we talking of indian tourist or foreigners. Surprising, first it was the Brit.who gave a long history a few weeks ago, how the locals do not come to his apartment when invited and he wants to be apart of the local culture blah...blah. Now it is the overcharging issue. Is Goa's overpopularity tourism worldwide a matter of envy to some states? These tourist should also relate to Goans and someone should survey, on the word overcharging in different and most of the parts of india and how they cope with it, they manage in other parts of india but when it comes to Goa it is a sin.Goa had and will always have its charm to attract tourists worldwide. One should carefully read what the Goan taxi driver Napolean stated, it makes sense to me. If these tourists are really harrassed by the taxis or any other issue in Goa they should report to the nearest authority, and not run away to Gujarat or Mumbai and fire shots with the help of channels. Goa is no longer known for easy going lifestyle,people are hardworking. Vivek Channel Newsasia should stop, Feb 13-15, 2004 - First "Mhapsa Fest" ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]COMMENT: Paraiso issue * By Srinivas Kamat
Paraiso issue * By Srinivas Kamat During the Gomant Vishwa Sammelan, there was a briefing to the expat Goans and those residing outside the state, in which the chief minister said that NRI property in the State will be protected from settlers and a Trust formed to look after and maintain such property. But are such claims meaningful? There is a residential building called the Paraiso De Goa adjacent to the NH17 in Alto Porvorim and near the old Porvorim market which in local parlance is known as the 'NRI Building'. It is one of those ill-conceived projects of the Government, set up at the height of the real estate prices in the early 1990s to exploit the NRI's intending to buy property in Goa. Such plans, of course, met an early death when the stock market went bust after the Harshad Mehta scam was exposed. The grandiose project involving a shopping multiplex, a commercial complex and residential apartments at the rear side was truncated. It ended up just as one residential apartment block of 64 flats. Some non-residents and expats -- apart from some hapless locals - - have bought flats in this project. At the time of booking, they were promised that the flats would be used exclusively for residential purposes. To the utter dismay and coming as a rude shock to those who had invested in the flats, over the last four to five months the government itself has been busy in accommodating their companies in the Paraiso De Goa complex for use as their offices. Here is a case where the Government claims it will protect NRI interests and property from settlers and is itself actively engaged in the task of encroaching on the property of NRIs. In this process, it is consciously flouting its commitments to the owners of these flats that the complex would be for residential use only. To give an example, the Kadamba Transport Corporation is in the process of moving into seven flats in the building after having broken down the walls to make it a large contiguous hall and designed as a modern office with air-conditioning by spending close to Rs. 1.5 crores. It is not understood how the Kadamba Transport, which itself is reeling under losses, can afford this kind of money for setting up an office. Here again, the agreements with the present owners specify that no structural changes can be done to the flats or the building which rule is being broken by the Kadamba Transport, a government corporation, in the flats they have taken and which are being extensively re-modified. The impact of these modifications on the structure and stability of the building is not known. The expat and non-resident's dreams for re-settling in Goa in the Paraiso de Goa flats expecting a serene, calm and secure residential ambience have been cruelly shattered by this intemperate and unilateral action. It is therefore important that all expats and non-residents do not take the government claims at face value but with a pinch of salt before they commit themselves in the State. -- The writer is based in Porvorim. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet-news]COMMENT: Paraiso issue * By Srinivas Kamat
Paraiso issue * By Srinivas Kamat During the Gomant Vishwa Sammelan, there was a briefing to the expat Goans and those residing outside the state, in which the chief minister said that NRI property in the State will be protected from settlers and a Trust formed to look after and maintain such property. But are such claims meaningful? There is a residential building called the Paraiso De Goa adjacent to the NH17 in Alto Porvorim and near the old Porvorim market which in local parlance is known as the 'NRI Building'. It is one of those ill-conceived projects of the Government, set up at the height of the real estate prices in the early 1990s to exploit the NRI's intending to buy property in Goa. Such plans, of course, met an early death when the stock market went bust after the Harshad Mehta scam was exposed. The grandiose project involving a shopping multiplex, a commercial complex and residential apartments at the rear side was truncated. It ended up just as one residential apartment block of 64 flats. Some non-residents and expats -- apart from some hapless locals - - have bought flats in this project. At the time of booking, they were promised that the flats would be used exclusively for residential purposes. To the utter dismay and coming as a rude shock to those who had invested in the flats, over the last four to five months the government itself has been busy in accommodating their companies in the Paraiso De Goa complex for use as their offices. Here is a case where the Government claims it will protect NRI interests and property from settlers and is itself actively engaged in the task of encroaching on the property of NRIs. In this process, it is consciously flouting its commitments to the owners of these flats that the complex would be for residential use only. To give an example, the Kadamba Transport Corporation is in the process of moving into seven flats in the building after having broken down the walls to make it a large contiguous hall and designed as a modern office with air-conditioning by spending close to Rs. 1.5 crores. It is not understood how the Kadamba Transport, which itself is reeling under losses, can afford this kind of money for setting up an office. Here again, the agreements with the present owners specify that no structural changes can be done to the flats or the building which rule is being broken by the Kadamba Transport, a government corporation, in the flats they have taken and which are being extensively re-modified. The impact of these modifications on the structure and stability of the building is not known. The expat and non-resident's dreams for re-settling in Goa in the Paraiso de Goa flats expecting a serene, calm and secure residential ambience have been cruelly shattered by this intemperate and unilateral action. It is therefore important that all expats and non-residents do not take the government claims at face value but with a pinch of salt before they commit themselves in the State. -- The writer is based in Porvorim. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP (THOUGHT FOR TODAY)!
Jednam tum dusrea passot vavurtai, tujeach passot vavurlea porim zaum dhi" (When you are laboring for others, let it be with the same zeal as if it were for yourself Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]SUNDAY SPECIAL: Stories from another Goa
Stories from another Goa Milan Khanolkar There's another Goa, waiting for its voice to be discovered, as the writer finds from the rustic village of Kakra, so near yet so far from the state capital. Savitiri Aji's house was a mere twenty-minute walk from mine. I live in one of the staff quarters at Goa University on top of the hill and she lived along the foothill by the Zuari River, in a small village called Kakra. Living so close to the hills and the water the people of this village are well versed in the secrets of the hills and the river. The village gives the impression of being isolated but is surprisingly close to Panjim. Young and old, men and women would trudge through the forest to Panjim in search of work. Members of this Gauda (aboriginal) community learnt to deal with the life of city and understand the secrets of its inhabitant's too. Savitri Aji was no exception. Perhaps that is why Savitri Aji was always at ease with the city- bred likes of me. However, initially I was rather uncomfortable and sometimes even confused in our relationship. I went to her in the role of story catcher. I was conscious of my mask of labels: that I was educated had an urban upbringing hence I knew more, etc. etc. But Savitri Aji looked straight -- straight through my mask. After some time I did away with my mask and we came to know each other simply as two women. When I asked the villagers in Kakra where I could get stories, they promptly and unanimously directed me to Savitri Aji. I would meet her occasionally and write down her stories. In the village, Savitri Aji's stock went up as they learnt that her stories were in demand. It was only when she passed away, I realized that for me five years had passed since I knew her. Women in the village said her name was Maria and was a Catholic. Aji told me that she was married in the Church at the age of thirteen and only after "I had children I became a Konknem" (the pejorative word used in vernacular for Hindu). The villagers also called her natkin (actress) because she loved natak, zatra, zagor, cantarma and she would also compose songs sometimes to communicate with others. Aji missed the natak, zatra, zagor, cantarma of Taleigao, her maternal village. Kakra had none of these. Aji would sometimes interrupt her stories to tell me something about her life. For six or seven years after her marriage she did not have children and she suffered because of this. Just like the queen in the story who in desperation asked for a child even if it was a pig, Aji once said she had asked for a stone as a child. The pressures on a childless woman were great. And then she had two sons and three daughters. After she had borne her children she had to face ordeals of a different kind. In order to support her children she had to do all sorts of work from road building to work as a domestic servant and working in the fields. Even during the years while she was telling me her stories, she would try and help one of her daughters though her own position was weak. She lived alone in a palm leaf hut which one of her granddaughters had helped her build. Usually between 10 am and 1 pm when most of the villagers were busy with their work I would be with her in the hut. Aji would proceed to tell me her story of the day. Her facial expressions and her modulated voice brought alive the stories. She had great dramatic skill. I recall a particular incident when Aji was helping some women peel tamarind and remove the stem of chillies in return for a little rice or a meal. When I arrived at such a gathering, the other women immediately quipped, "Now that your Milan has come, tell her a story". Aji responded, "If Milan wants a story she will ask for it. If you women want to hear stories then you must speak for yourselves". And with this Aji got up and started dancing and the rest of us joined her in a sort of mock dance imitating the western style of ballroom dance -- not part of the community at all. I knew then why Aji was called Natkin. I also felt that it was her way of telling the others that she was confident about her relationship with me. The two stories narrated here are from Savitri Aji's collection. She told me that she heard these stories from her father when he sat in the evening after dinner outside their house and regaled her, and whoever wanted to hear, with his stories. Although these stories lend themselves to various interpretations, to me what became more important was how our relationship developed -- the storyteller and the listener. She would narrate her stories and I would write them down as though this very act wove a close bond between us. When she passed away, I packed my stories away too, silently grieving. And when I was suddenly asked about them, I brought them out, marvelling at the fact how meticulously I had been in recording Savitri Aji's stories and here are two of th
[Goanet]BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Did you know that OCoqueiro restaurant in Porvorim shot to world fame in the late sixties/early seventies because of telephone connection? Since telephone lines were a rarity in Goa during the period, it was extremely difficult to get a phone connection abroad. People sometimes had to spend half a day at a Telegraph and Post Office in order to call their dear and near ones abroad, including the Gulf. The foreigners were the most affected and disappointed lot. Since many foreigners frequented OCoqueiro for their meals, they expressed their disappointment to the owner of the restaurant and asked him to do something about telephone service. So, the owner used his influence with the Telephone Exchange and promptly arranged for a couple of hot lines at the restaurant. The foreigners immediately spread the word which traveled among the foreigners as well as Goans like wild fire and everyone started flocking at OCoqueiro to make international calls. OCoqueiros cuisine was excellent at the time. So, people would visit the restaurant to make distance calls, and while they waited to get connection they would treat themselves to a sumptuous meal! It was at OCoqueiro that Charles Shobraj was arrested while he waited for a telephone call from abroad! Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
