[Goanet]What's your approach?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## What's your approach to the following true situation? Earlier this week at our place of work we introduced a new technology to treat breast cancer. Using a High Dose Rate radiation robot and a new device called 'The MammoSite', the radiation treatment of breast cancer can now be performed in one week instead of the current standard of seven weeks. Both curative techniques of course involve preserving the affected breast. One of the therapists (in late forties) in undertaking CT (computer tomography) of the breast (to help aim the radiation) was getting frustrated and stymied in rationalizing the technical details. This team member kept repeatedly saying, "I am going to kill someone today". How would you handle this situation? Tell the person to shut up! Fire/Terminate the person's employment! Warn the individual to shape up or ship out! Be kind! A.k.a. Patronize! Use humor! What specific absurdity? Please respond! Our answer on Sunday! Regards.
[Goanet]Re: Dabolim Airport Debate
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## I know that the powers that be normally operate on technicalities and formalities, and who signed what document under "which conditions". However the Navy should consider the ground realities - that the area is a hotbed of petroleum tank farms and naphtha and ammonia pipelines crisscrossing right across the densely populated Zuari, Vasco, Mormugao areas. Also the Navy's accident track record, particularly with MIGs (not only in Goa, but in rest of the country even quite recently), is a bit scary. The function of the Indian Navy is to protect the country's territorial waters, and presumably its populace, not to endanger them by conducting training sorties over an inflammable area like Mormugao. In my opinion, either the Navy should go, or the petroleum tanks and pipelines. Diana
[Goanet]Death from Malaria- New Tool
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Hi Rene, Thanks for giving me an opportunity to clarify the post on mosquitoes and Malaria. I am sure quite a few well-meaning persons feel like you. Here are some points I would like to make on the issue (also applicable to others). 1. We, GoaNetters can and should be the conscience of native and Diaspora Goans. And like that 'nagging little scruple' which is difficult to find, conscience can be uncomfortable. So I hope we are making ourselves useful. And perhaps louder the protest, one day it may .. just may .. do some good. 2. Most will appreciate, we are talking about this for the good of our very own ganv-bhavs ani ganv-bhoinis ani also those who visit Goa. 3. The problem with Malaria which some cyber-Goans have overlooked is that this is a preventable illness UNLIKE the flu (virus) - unless somebody can make us young. :=)) 4. We can research till we are blue in the face. But this is a disease like cancer that can be prevented (lung) and can be detected very early (breast prostate, colon etc) by screening. And this if implemented will cure more people than all the new research on cancer. 5. The journalists and writers in Goa and elsewhere will tell us in spite of our high-tech communications, the problems of this world (including wars) are mainly from lack of information or putting the info into practice. 6. The real solution to Malaria is PREVENTION. I was hoping some GoaNetters would write about natural ways of controlling the mosquito population. And perhaps some serious GoaNetters would do so if we are not in the habit of shooting the messenger. 7. So I would be the first to appreciate Goan epidemiologists and public health experts to step-forward and educate us. 8. I tried to help by suggesting specific practical steps for mosquito eradication. I thought I'd mention this in case some individuals overlooked my posts, reaching instead for the hammer. :=)) 9. Concentrating on Malaria, is like working on bringing the temperature down (with ice-ajut) while the malaria-parasites are doing 'Mar Shendi' in the body.:=)):=)) 10. Some insists that we should write about issues that affect Goa or our village. Magir ami Goenkars camplain that, that's all we do. So we can take the horse to the water, but we cannot force the horse, and that includes us, to drink. Tuca chodd Dev borem korum, Regards. Rbarreto: CAN the Goan Doctors world wide be of any help to the Goans in Goa and the Goan community at large? Should they get involved in helping Goans at all ? or should they continuing making their point of view on the Goan Forums we belong to ? Can the Goan Doctors come TOGETHER to work for the betterment of the Goan community ? Too many of us on this FORUM take it upon themselves to speak on behalf of Goans in Goa ! we dictate what we Goans on the Forums should do for Goa and Goans there ! WHO are we to do so ? If we REALLY want to get involved in the welfare of Goa and Goans , we need to do so by .Leading by our example. But then , who am I to advise the Goans ..and more so Goan Doctors ? rene There is nothing in TRYING !
Re: [Goanet]From: percyferrao@yahoo.com
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Its probably your sheer animal magnetism that attracts these hapless Goan ladies to you Percy! --Helga > > > From Percy Ferrao > > I'm unconvinced, Ladies are safe drivers on Goan roads. On my recent > visit to Goa, I was on my way to Sarzora along the national highway when > a lady ahead on a kinetic braked all of a sudden right on the middle of > the road nearly crashing into her rear, she took me by surprise as the > road ahead was clear, I stopped and politely asked her the reason for > braking so suddenly, she pointed out to the traffic cop ahead who was > lying in wait to book helmetless 2 wheeler riders. > On another occasion, I was stationary on my bike right in front of the > Navelim church, when a young lass lost control of her kinetic (The > ladies national bike in Goa) and zeroed unto the rear wheel of my bike, > she quietly picked up her bike and shot off without even offering me an > apology. > Lady pedestrians fare no better, I was on my way to Margao, when a lady > appeared from nowhere entangling the strap of her shoulderbag to my > front handbrake sending me crashing into a paanwallah's box in front of > Agnelo Opticians, by the time I bent to help the paanwallah, the > offending lady just disappeared into the crowd. > One of ten are lady drivers in Goa, therefore thier accident rate is > quite low, they also seldom drive/ride along our treacherous highways > where maximum fatalaties occur, they often travel short distances > either to the grocers or collect thier kids from school, they expect > thier male counterparts to be more considerate. They are very > unpredictable drivers who brake or turn right/left so suddenly. > Regds > Percy Ferrao > Ealing Road. > > >
[Goanet]Re: Caste and all that.... reply to Fred
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear Fred: Your characterization of my position as apologetics (defending the Church) is unfortunate. I have taken a middle of the road position contextualized in social sciences. Caste, as discrimination of any sort, is a human problem; it does not solely belong to any particular institution. This problem of caste, which, indeed is a problem, has to be resolved by individuals at a very personal level. Institutions may create a helpful environment, but it is the individual that has to respond. Laying blame at the feet of the institutions is easy, and absolves everyone of personal responsibility. It gives one something to boast about and gain legitimacy in some social circles. Your post - particularly what I highlight below is brilliant. A sincere conversation on this topic can be transformative; but a combative discussion will perpetuate the problem. Basilio Monteiro The problem with caste isn't caste in itself, but the fact that ingrained into it are in-built notions of superiority and inferiority. This goes against the very grain of a democratic one-(wo)man-one-vote principle, where people are judged by their individual attributes and not group identities. In times when mass-education is playing the role of a great leveller, and changing Goan society tremendously, the incongruity of caste-based feelings of superiority or inferiority is even more glaringly apparent. Migration is another great leveler, and I genuinely accept the frankness with which some expats say, "Caste, what's that?" We need to be moving towards a meritocracy, where each individual is given a fair chance for all his/her talents to bloom, and then judged on the basis of what talents s/he has. Affirmative action is however not to be decried, just because it cuts into the traditional cake of the already well-off. When certain groups manage to corner an unfair share of the cream for themselves, you're going to see negative 'social capital' and also market imperfections, that block growth. Caste is obviously going to remain of sociological importance, maybe to understand who we are, where we come from. Also, our histories. Maybe even where our ancestors were unfair towards others (obviously harder to admit), or got bullied by others. Etc, etc. But I don't think we can, or should, march forward into the past and create networks on these lines. Like a businessman has only one caste and one religion -- money, it makes more sense -- likewise it would better for anyone who opts to deal with all human beings without preconceived notions. My caste identity, if at all, should matter as much as my blood group (A+), or the colour of my underwear (brown). It is there, but doesn't entitle me to feel superior or inferior to anyone else merely because of it being there.
[Goanet]Every vote counts
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Folks, Here is how the vote works in Florida :-) Mervyn2.0 http://wearabledissent.com/101/floridavote.html __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: [Goanet]Caste in Goa
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear Gilbert, With regard to the discussion on caste in Catholic Goa, re your post, I see no confusion being caused by Fred or by me. We are simply having an open debate in a democratic forum. However, if I am right, I detect some discomfiture in you over the debate and should like to ask you to note that whenever people try to make changes to the status quo, those who stand to gain from the status quo use all sorts of bogus justifications to resist change and I draw your attention to just three examples, from thousands, for reasons of brevity: The South African Government opposed resistance to apartheid on the grounds that individuals like Nelson Mandela, and Walter Sisulu were misguided terrorists and communists. Indeed, they locked them up for decades and they were lucky to avoid the death penalty. Yet today, Mandela is virtually a living saint in the eyes of the world and the evil of apartheid has been consigned to the dustbin of history. Mahatma Gandhi was derided by Winston Churchill and his ilk, as "that naked fakir" challenging the might of the British Empire. Gandhi, is today applauded, albeit not by all, as a great moralist and crusader for freedom and liberty. Martin Luther King in the USA was deemed to be a great danger to the whites in seeking freedom for the blacks and thus all Americans. Indeed, he was shot dead not too long after making one of the greatest speeches of all time ..'I have a dream...' Thanks to brave souls like him, the USA, now the homeland of so many newcomers since the 1960s, allows them a democratic and political voice which had been denied to visible minorities for many decades. Rather than be critical, I should like to welcome you warmly, to join us please, in fighting and eradicating the evil of caste which has so afflicted and oppressed generations of Catholic Goans. The issue in question is as simple as that. Warm regards, Cornel
RE: [Goanet]Anjali Monteiro's work (alternative Indian documentary film)
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Alfred de Tavares wrote: Begging pardon Rico, please stand corrected: Brig. Innocencio Monteiro, lives at the defence colony, Porvorim; but that worthy village cannot lay claim to him. I.M. is my next door neighbour in Loutulim, son of the illustrious Dr. Baronio Monteiro, patriarch of a considerable tribe of achievers. Hi Alfred, Thanks for your comment and correction. Kindly note however that I was merely talking geography... not as in 'To konn'alo' ;-) Mog assundi. FN
Re: [Goanet]Dabolim Airport Debate
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Hi Philip, There seem to be two issues here: * Legal position of Dabolim (traditional ownership, whether this was changed at any point, if so when and how) * Current day requirements of the Indian Navy. Would you agree that both these are quite separate issues? Even if the Navy has a legitimate requirement, it would not justify taking over what was meant to be a civilian airport (assuming this is the case). While our British-legacy colonial time laws have stood post-1947 governments in good stead (the Railways Act gives the authorities virtually-unchallengeable powers), a strong case could be made out if it could be shown that Dabolim was infact a civilian airport. To be fair, I think this issue is being raised only in recent years, after the tourism lobby began feeling the pinch. Some may find it very easy to blame politicians (and even the Press) for any and every failing of today's Goa. But, I personally don't believe that civil society in this part of the world is active enough in shaping the issues that are of importance to Goa and her people. Thank you for the clarity you lend to this debate. FN On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Philip Thomas wrote: RESPONSE TO FRED NORONHA'S OF OCT 21 I feel that what you call "the case for placing economic and societal needs ahead of military assumptions" might hinge on establishing that the Airport is being used for a non-unique though mission critical purpose. Military flight training sounds to me like such a purpose. It ought to be substituted by flight simulators and a different naval air base e.g Seabird. However, I have recently learned that the Coast Guard has also made Dabolim the base for its squadron! What is the link, if any, between the Navy and the Coast Guard, when did they move into Dabolim and on what terms? It should be clear that we are only concerned about Dabolim "airport". Nobody is suggesting that the Navy move its ENTIRE base out of Vasco. As it is Dabolim airport is reputedly the Navy's largest (and perhaps the only?) airbase.
Re: [Goanet]Caste and SIn
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Mervyn Lobo, If ever it was true that religion is the opiate of the people, your post below has provided the evidence. How on earth is it possible to live in such utter ignorance in the 21st century? The mind simply boggles! Cornel > Folks, > It seems that the people here are just not prepared to > believe that God could pre-select a baby to be born > into a certain class or status. > I beg to differ. > If you believe that God has allowed your baby to be > born with sin, then surely the same God is capable of > pre-selecting other babies to be born into a "Priest Class." > Mervyn2.0 > IMHO, babies have to be the embodiment of innocence. > Caste and sin are introduced by those who are going to > benefit from it. Thats why we still have both after > 500 years
[Goanet]Hello from Marlon Mendes
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Interesting forum, I was recommended by a fellow I was chatting. Pleased to join in. Anybody here from Sanguem. Marlon Mendes -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10
RE: [Goanet]Anjali Monteiro's work (alternative Indian documentary film)
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Monteiro & Jayasankar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet]Anjali Monteiro's work (alternative Indian documentary film) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:39:48 +0530 (IST) Goans have contributed a great deal to issues beyond Goa. Often their work is simply not adequately noticed. Just came across a listing of the work -- in the field of documentary film -- by Anjali Monteiro. Anjali and her husband Jayasankar are at the Unit for Media and Communications Tata Institute of Social Sciences Mumbai 400 088. They can be contacted on phone 25563290 upto 96 Ext. 210 E mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.tiss.edu Incidentally, Anjali is the daughter of Brig Innocencio Monteiro of Porvorim, and the sister of Dr Nandita DeSouza, better known for her work in the Sangath Society also at Porvorim. More about Indian alt documentary at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/docuwallahs2 -FN Begging pardon Rico, please stand corrected: Brig. Innocencio Monteiro, lives at the defence colony, Porvorim; but that worthy village cannot lay claim to him. I.M. is my next door neighbour in Loutulim, son of the illustrious Dr. Baronio Monteiro, patriarch of a considerable tribe of achievers. Alfred _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]DAY 2--AFTERMATH OF THE FIRE at Bom Jesus Basilica
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## While the fire at "House of Professed" Old Goa Bom Jesus Basilica made headlines on the local dailies and the national media as well very little is known of the "cause of the fire" that resulted in extensive damage to the Western side of the annexe towards the rooms of the priests. This writer paid a visit this afternoon 22.10.2004 at 1525 hours to the Bom Jesus Basilica. Life was normal around the Basilica, infact there was no sign of the previous day fire except if one had to look to the partially open up roof. Yes the wooden roof was burnt for a good two thirds part. There were fans still hanging and atleast one large switch board protruding from the wall could be seen from below the building but unscarred. Access to the Basilica was not open to the public until afternoon. Apparently better sense prevailed and the Security Services of India Pvt Ltd (mainly North Indians) who oversee the security had permitted the large outstation Dussehra crowds to visit the Bom Jesus Basilica post lunch session. The location of the sacred relicts of St Francis Xavier was at the south end away from the raging fire, but had gusty winds played spoil sport then one could have expected the worst. Just near the foot of the casket where the relicts are placed two youthful constables of the Goa Police were reminiscing the event but they were silent on the cause of it. Short circuit --yes ---thats what every says. But how come all of a sudden. There were some vestments flung outside some partially burnt books and an organ was near the barricaded wall. Access was prohibited and then this writer tried visiting the back yard the gates were partially closed. This part is opposite the Convent of Our Lady of Angels just near the road which leads to the ruins of Queen Catherine. The Archaeological Survey of India had posted security personnel and one such personnel humbly declared that access was out of bounds to probing eyes. They are investigating he stated and a report is expected. A call to Bom Jesus Basilica numbers +91 832 2285790 and the Youth Retreat House 22 84688 found one phone ringing but no reply and the other was apparently off the hook. But there were some laypersons in and up the ruined structure. Some youth apparently salvaging the ruins and assisting the investigating team. One SIS security personnel spoke in Hindi and he stated that there were fire extingushers around but "could the inmates (priests)know to use it... and what about water --- yes he admitted there was'nt enough and that caused the fire to rage higher and higher until other tenders came -- he admitted. The Minister of Transport Mr Pandurang Madkaikar lives just behind the Church in fact he Heads the 43 day Exposition Committee (21 Nov 04 to 2nd Jan 05 )as Chairman with Mr Mathany Saldhana Minister for Tourism as Vice Chairman. Frankly none suspected foul play ===Raghunath a vendor--- described Old Goa scenario as "amchem pott" meaning our earnings depend on "Goencho Saib " and there was no room for suspicion of any mischief. He admitted to have seen CM Mr Parrikar at the scene and many other Ministers who did everything possible to douse the fire which was finally put off by 5.20 am and the church bells tolled as usual he said. There is however one angle to this fire -- could it be that some electrical appliance was left "ON" in one of the locked rooms that caused the fire. Was it a lit up candle left unattended after a short power failure cause the fire? According to some bystanders they state only one of two priests was up there. Both the Rector and the other could not be contacted for comment. They do deserve a good rest after a traumatic event and a day after was too early for them to indulge in a confessional as this writer was seeking. But the shroud of secrecy my the inmates of Basilica and the Se Catedral does not appear convincing. Having moved from there this writer visited the Old Archbishops Palace just behind the " Se Catedral " Parish Church Here the board displays "No Entry to visitors -- works underway" But with due permission from the Security personnel ---there is the ASI office just below -- having entered the top floor it was observed that finishing touches were being given to the walls . The age old frescos need to be retouched and the cupboards holding old books which were strewn all over the place last April 2004 and lots of age old wooden furniture were not seen ---or were contained in half open newly varnished cupboards. This was the erstwhile residence of the past Bishops much before liberation, and before i
[Goanet]Dabolim airport, navy occupation, portuguese and the I-know-it-all patrakars
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Shri De Figueirado & De Tavares, Esq. After any military 'conquest', there is always the rule of the traditional military - in modern times. Nothing special about it. Any history book, if read, will tell. No need to query on the forums. Could you comment on the following: -After the second world war Portugal came under the grip of a tyrant by the name of Antonio Oliveira Salazar. The affects of the tyranny were felt not only in Portugal but even in Goa. Many Goans got fed up with the Portugese and went into exile in Bombay and launched a Freedom movement. India was already fighting for its freedom from the British and thus they became allies. Many Goans Freedom fighters were imprisoned by the Portugese. In the meanwhile, India got its independence from the British. The Goan freedom struggle went on quite unnoticed. From 1950 onwards Goa was in relative peace. There were very few Portugese officials in Goa and most of the top administrators and senior officials were Goans. Goa was quite clean, cheap and very safe. Though Goa did not have electricity and proper roads, the standard of living of most Goans was very high. There was complete harmony among people of all religions and faiths. Employment opportunities were very limited. It was 1961 and the Congress government headed by Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru was almost heading for defeat in the upcoming general elections. Pandit Nehru was facing a lot of criticism for his policies on China and the massive failure of his 5 year plans. The Indian economy was stagnating and the people were dis-illusioned with the state of affairs. There were mass incursions from the Chinese Army on the Indian side. Despite all this, it was a time when the global status of India was held in high-esteem. Pandit Nehru on sensing his defeat in the upcoming elections decided to assert himself. On 3rd December, 1961 the Indian troops moved towards Goa. Dr. Salazar realizing the disparity between the Portugese forces and the Indian forces instructed the complete mining of Goa. But this was luckily prevented by timely intervention from the Portugese Governor of Goa and the Roman Catholic Patriarch of Goa. The Portugese surrendered on 19th December, 1961. Thousands of Goans came out in the open to welcome the Indian Army. Goa had finally been liberated or annexed by India. Subsequent events of looting shops and raping Goan women were all suppressed by the government. The Goans were extremely disenchanted by the actions of the Indian Armed forces. The fact that these crimes were committed by a force that had actually come to liberate the Goans was appalling. And more worse was the denials by the Government of India. A revelation that stunned the world was that Government of India had neither consulted the Goans or the freedom fighters before sending its forces and no goverment in exile had been formed. The United Nations refused to recognize the merger of Goa with India and it still considers it an act of annexation by India. Life became very expensive for the ordinary Goans as there were no subsidies like the ones given by the Portugese. Despite all this, the people of Goa had always wanted to be merged with India. Some critics argue that the Goans were not given a choice, while the defenders say that all princely states had an option of joining either India or Pakistan. And there is no way Goans would have chosen Pakistan over India. **But from my perspective the war for Goa was just an eye-wash for the the largely ignorant masses of the country who were swayed in euphoria and exhilaration. The Congress party went on it win the 1962 general election and the Goa strategy had paid off well for Pandit Nehru. Though it cannot be denied that the liberation and merger of Goa was the right thing to do from the Indian perspective BUT the motive was still quite unclear. Many political analyst often do the mistake of misinterpreting The Goan merger as a political stunt. Sure it was a political stunt by Panit Nehru to come back to power but the main intention of this act was not just garnering votes, it had larger international implications. The Goa liberation was a double-edged sword. A different kind of a strategic battle was being fought unknown to the Indian masses. Pandit Nehru after the sweet taste of sucess from the merger of Goa and a huge victory in the general elections was playing mind games on the international arena. He was more confident of his bigger challenge. Goa was just a confidence building measure but it had good ramifications for the Goans. Goa is today strongly an intrinsic part of the Unio
[Goanet]New Jersey GOA Christmas events
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Hi ! The Goan Association of New Jersey will be holding its Christmas Children's Party on Sunday, December 12, and its Christmas dance on Saturday, December 18. The Children's party will be held in Linden and the dance in Somerset- both in New Jersey State. Both flyers have been posted on the Association's website whose address is www.goanj.com. After accessing the website, click on the "What's New" icon on the left and it will take you to the document where both files can be downloaded. If you do not have the adobe feature or do not have MS- Word, you can click on downloading and it will give you some options at the bottom left corner. Double click on the right arrow and it should take you to the document. If it does not work out, just play with the other options, and you should get there. If it still does not work, please contact me at my above email address. If you wish to become a member, click on the Membership icon on the left and it will take you to the Membership document. rgds. Tony Barros, Union, New Jersey.
[Goanet]goa elections - 2004
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## the following politicians tried their best but dr. wilfred d ! souza ncp north goa parliamentary seat shri angle bjp south goa parliamentary seat jagdish acharya congress poinguinim legislature seat all these three gentlemen have something in common is this the shape of things to come ? antonio _ Movies, music, celeb news. Stay in the loop. http://www.msn.co.in/cinema/ With MSN Entertainment!
[Goanet]From: percyferrao@yahoo.com
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## From Percy Ferrao I'm unconvinced, Ladies are safe drivers on Goan roads. On my recent visit to Goa, I was on my way to Sarzora along the national highway when a lady ahead on a kinetic braked all of a sudden right on the middle of the road nearly crashing into her rear, she took me by surprise as the road ahead was clear, I stopped and politely asked her the reason for braking so suddenly, she pointed out to the traffic cop ahead who was lying in wait to book helmetless 2 wheeler riders. On another occasion, I was stationary on my bike right in front of the Navelim church, when a young lass lost control of her kinetic (The ladies national bike in Goa) and zeroed unto the rear wheel of my bike, she quietly picked up her bike and shot off without even offering me an apology. Lady pedestrians fare no better, I was on my way to Margao, when a lady appeared from nowhere entangling the strap of her shoulderbag to my front handbrake sending me crashing into a paanwallah's box in front of Agnelo Opticians, by the time I bent to help the paanwallah, the offending lady just disappeared into the crowd. One of ten are lady drivers in Goa, therefore thier accident rate is quite low, they also seldom drive/ride along our treacherous highways where maximum fatalaties occur, they often travel short distances either to the grocers or collect thier kids from school, they expect thier male counterparts to be more considerate. They are very unpredictable drivers who brake or turn right/left so suddenly. Regds Percy Ferrao Ealing Road.
Re: [Goanet][GoanVoice-UK] Newsletter. Issue 2004-40. Oct 21, 2004
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Gabe, Is it unreasonable to expect you to name the two or three or twenty people you feel are or could be at fault? Casting aspersions is easy. Justifying them is not! Cheers, Eddie - Original Message - From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: [Goanet][GoanVoice-UK] Newsletter. Issue 2004-40. Oct 21, 2004 ## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## I do not need to refer to any particular person, as I cannot be certain who is at fault. All I have to say is ; if the cap fits wear it! Cheers, Gabe. From: "Eddie Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet][GoanVoice-UK] Newsletter. Issue 2004-40. Oct 21, 2004 Folks, Gabe has sent a message to goanet with copy to goanvoice claiming that someone has "either stubby fingers or suffering delerium" As is his style, he does not name the someone. I call on him to do so or to withdraw the accusation. Cheers, Eddie Fernandes. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 05/10/2004
[Goanet]re that relic from many Catholic Goans Hindu past - the Racist Caste System
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Vidyadhar Gadgil Fri Oct 22 02:48:14 2004 human being - FULL STOP!> From Jose Colaco (earlier) == Jose Colaco's additional response: I fully agree with Vidyaghar. Anyone who "believes and practices" the wretched and racist Caste System of India is indeed "much poorer as a Human Being"..and any Catholic who continues to live this practice which is a hangover from the Hindu ancestors - is NOT a Catholic but a Hindu & much poorer as a Human Being - FULL STOP! The "much poorer as a Human Being" tag may also be applied to 1. Those who molest children ( include here those who neglect their children) 2. Those who Rape 3. Those who steal esp from the poor and disadvantaged 4. Those who kill (except in self defence) and support murder 5. Those who destroy the happiness of new brides by the Dowry tortures 6. Those who dirty up and destroy the place 7. Those who use Religion for violent purposes and to perpetuate distrust among communities 8. The Corrupt, self serving, self-enriching 'social worker' politicians and civil servants 9. Those who use religion as a spring board for political control. 10. Those who support and vote for individuals with Religion-oriented Platforms etc good wishes jc please visit "NEW" on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/
[Goanet]Refresh from your GOAMOG resource portal
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear All, Thank you for your support and the many encouraging letters we have received on the work we have been doing. It is painstaking work from a couple of enthusiasts who love Goa. Involves a lot of effort, nevertheless is worth it, and we are proud to show what Goa is capable of producing. You may check the portal update by clicking on the link http://www.goamog.com . Please spare a little of your time and help us make this project a good Goan example. Any comments, opinions and articles can be sent to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you, Leao Fernandes
[Goanet]22 OCT 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS Oct 22, 2004 GOACOM VIDEO NEWS: Video Clip from Goa on the first Session of HERITAGE JAZZ YATRA organised by Armando Gonsalves of Trancemedia at Rebelo Mansion at Betalbatim on October 10, 2004, at http://www.goacom.com/news Clips_Heritage_Jazz Yatra_1: INFERNO AT BASILICA ANNEXE: With exactly a month to go for the Exposition of the sacred relics of St Francis Xavier, a major fire engulfed parts of the Professed House attached to the world-famous Bom Jesus Basilica at Old Goa in the wee hours of Thursday (October 21). There were no casualties in the fire mishap and while the extent of damaged caused was not ascertained till late evening, a source pointed out that the losses incurred due to the fire could run into several lakhs. (H) RELICS OF ST FRANCIS XAVIER SAFE: The fire, suspected to have been caused by an electrical short circuit, engulfed the roof of the residential and administrative wing on the western part of the Basilica, which housed the accommodation for the priests. The church and the revered relics of St Francis Xavier were completely unharmed by the fire. According to information, the fire broke out a few minutes prior to 2 am. One of the three priests sleeping in the rooms, Fr Anthony, is learnt to have heard noises and come out to inquire. More than 50 per cent of the building's roof, a major part of the flooring of the second floor was burnt and collapsed partially on the first floor, damaging the partitions and books, stationery and some office records, wooden furniture and other articles. (GT) 7 ROOMS, ANTIQUE FURNITURE, RARE BOOKS RUINED: Seven big rooms used as dormitories for retreat students were damaged and their rooftops completely destroyed in the fire. Besides, the antique furniture, rare handwritten books used as reference material and other precious items in the convent were also gutted in the fire. The fire was brought under control before it could spread to the Basilica of Bom Jesus, which is a world heritage monument. None was injured and no damage was done to the museum. (NT) CHURCH LEADERS SHOCKED: The blazing fire in the House of the Professed in the Basilica of Bom Jesus shocked Church leaders as the building had been recently renovated at the cost of crores of rupees by the Goa Archdiocese.While the records of the Light House (Light of the World Movement) started by Fr George D'Sa for SSC students were gutted in the fire, a sound and light programme 'Pilgrimage of the Heart' on the ground floor of the building was intact and undamaged. A Basilica committee headed by Vicar General Fr Jose Remedios Fernandes will assess the damage and initiate steps to restore the building within a few weeks. "The Archdiocese will do it at its own cost," a source said. The Church has turned down politely the government's offer to assist the restoration process. The Basilica is under the Control of Archaeological Survey of India for the purpose of maintenance while the House of the Professed is being maintained by the Archdiocese. (GT) DGP KANTH RULES OUT SABOTAGE: The Director General of Police, Mr Amodh Kanth told reporters that the Basilica is intact and no damage was done to it. He ruled out sabotage or mischief in the incident. Mr Kanth said the security cover around the church would be strengthened during the Exposition. (NT) PROBE WITHIN A WEEK: Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar on Thursday said that the Old Goa police would hold an inquiry into the fire to the Basilica of Bom Jesus at Old Goa within a week even as the government had decided to make fire assessment study of all the important monuments, temples, churches and other heritage sites in the State. He said that prima facie the cause of the fire was suspected to be a short circuit. (GT) EXPOSITION ON SCHEDULE: Chief Minister Parrikar said that the annexe of the Basilica of Bom Jesus which was damaged in the fire, would be restored before the commencement of the 16th Exposition of the sacred relics of St Francis Xavier.He said that the restoration works will be carried out in association with the Archaeological Society of India and the Old Goa Church authorities and if required the government would provide the funds. (GT) HISTORY OF BASILICA: The church of Bom Jesus, "Good" or "Infant" Jesus, is known principally for the tomb of St Francis Xavier. Basilica of Bom Jesus in Old Goa, built in 1605, and has been declared a World Heritage Monument. In 1946, it became the first church of India to be elevated to the status of Minor Basilica. (GT) LOOK POSITIVELY: Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar said police should look into
[Goanet]Dabolim: a case of Goans having to beg to use what is THEIRS!
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Philip Thomas wrote on Fri Oct 22 02:47:57 2004 #1: #2: #3: = Dear Philip, Good Points! #1: A little over 10 years. If there were no problems with Indian Navy dadagiri restricting and disturbing civilian flight schedules, NO Goan would have bothered what the Indian Navy did or did not do at Dabolim. #2: I'd prefer to think of my points as more realistic than defeatist. #3: Rather curious, wouldn't you say - that the owners of a place have to BEG for partial use of their OWN property from the alleged LIBERATORS! Looks like even the dictator Salazar was more equitable (wrt Dabolim) than the Indian Navy. So may be, Bernado Colaco is right after all. From Salazar's colonialism, Goa has fallen into the hands of Indian Navy imperialism as one of the Spoils of War ( as Chacha Alfred Tavares the Viking would say). Anyone who disagrees - please do the honours (minus gratuitous comments - please). over to you jc please visit "NEW" on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
[Goanet][GoanVoice-UK] Newsletter. Issue 2004-40. Oct 21, 2004
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## I do not need to refer to any particular person, as I cannot be certain who is at fault. All I have to say is ; if the cap fits wear it! Cheers, Gabe. From: "Eddie Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet][GoanVoice-UK] Newsletter. Issue 2004-40. Oct 21, 2004 > > Folks, > > Gabe has sent a message to goanet with copy to goanvoice claiming that > someone has "either stubby fingers or suffering delerium" > > As is his style, he does not name the someone. I call on him to do so or to > withdraw the accusation. > > Cheers, > > Eddie Fernandes.
[Goanet]Toronto: Legal action forces Cesar Correia, Infolink CEO to resign
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## From Goan Voice UK. 21 Oct: Cesar Correia, the current president and chief executive officer of Infolink, agreed to resign both as an officer and director of Infolink, effective immediately. For full details of the report see: http://www.sedar.com/csfsprod/data49/filings/00696834/0001/v%3A%5CSEDAR%5CInfolink%5C2004%5CGTReport.pdf For the brief profile of Cesar Correia in GVUK issue 2004-25, see: http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/newsletter/2004/Jun/issue1/ === From Globe & Mail 22 Oct: Headline: Legal action forces Infolink CEO to resign Source: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20041022/RINFO22/TPBusiness/Canadian Full Text: Judge orders firm to revamp board, change business practices in wake of complaints By PAUL WALDIE Friday, October 22, 2004 - Page B3 In an extraordinary move, a legal action by a group of shareholders has forced the chief executive officer of a Toronto company to resign. A judge has ordered the CEO's resignation to continue and told the company to revamp its board of directors and change its business practices to address shareholder complaints. "This is a very unusual order to obtain," said Melvyn Solmon, a Toronto lawyer who represented the shareholders. The case involves Infolink Technologies Ltd., which trades on the TSX Venture Exchange and specializes in so-called junk voice mail. The company's founder, Cesar Correia, has been embroiled for months in a dispute with a group of shareholders led by his former partner, George Theodore. The shareholders have demanded Mr. Correia resign and they have alleged he misused company funds for personal benefit. Mr. Correia has denied the allegations and said the company's board investigated the issues and found no wrongdoing. The shareholders took their case to court and asked a judge to appoint a monitor to investigate the allegations. Mr. Justice Peter Cumming of the Ontario Superior Court agreed and appointed accounting firm Grant Thornton as monitor and inspector. Earlier this month, Grant Thornton filed a 51-page report in court that backed up some of the shareholder's allegations. The firm found cases of inappropriate related-party transactions at the company as well as a "lack of corporate governance controls over management." In one example, Grant Thornton said it could not find receipts for nearly $250,000 in charges on the corporate credit card. Infolink also apparently paid for personal airline tickets, hotel bills and at least $50,000 worth of purchases from Saks Fifth Avenue, Harry Rosen and Tiffany & Co., the report said. Grant Thornton recommended that Mr. Correia resign from the board and repay the company money he received from related-party deals. The firm also said Infolink's board should be reconstituted to include a majority of independent directors. In a ruling this week, Judge Cumming said Infolink accepted the recommendations and Mr. Correia agreed to resign as an officer and director (although he remains a paid executive). Mr. Correia has also agreed to repay around $100,000. The judge ordered that his resignation remain in place until he is re-elected by shareholders or reappointed by the board. Mr. Correia is also forbidden from having signing authority over company cheques and restrictions have been put on his salary. Judge Cumming ordered Grant Thornton to continue reviewing financial transactions at the company. And, he ruled that Infolink should appoint two independent directors to its board and change the way it handles company accounts. Mr. Theodore, who owns 23 per cent of the company's shares, said he is happy with the "interim outcome." But he noted that the judge left it open for shareholders to sue the company, which could be costly. "I understand shareholders wanting to take action," he said, but added that such legal action could cripple the company's finances. He also noted that the Ontario Securities Commission is investigating the issues raised in the monitor's report. The OSC said it does not comment on investigations. Mr. Correia, who owns about one-third of the company's shares, declined comment. In a statement, company chairman Stewart Wright said "the company takes very seriously the recommendations of Grant Thornton in its interim report. Certainly, the company does not condone any inappropriate activities identified in the interim report." He added that the board has adopted all the recommend
[Goanet]Dabolim Airport Debate
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## RESPONSE TO FRED NORONHA'S OF OCT 21 I feel that what you call "the case for placing economic and societal needs ahead of military assumptions" might hinge on establishing that the Airport is being used for a non-unique though mission critical purpose. Military flight training sounds to me like such a purpose. It ought to be substituted by flight simulators and a different naval air base e.g Seabird. However, I have recently learned that the Coast Guard has also made Dabolim the base for its squadron! What is the link, if any, between the Navy and the Coast Guard, when did they move into Dabolim and on what terms? It should be clear that we are only concerned about Dabolim "airport". Nobody is suggesting that the Navy move its ENTIRE base out of Vasco. As it is Dabolim airport is reputedly the Navy's largest (and perhaps the only?) airbase.
[Goanet]FREE SOFTWARE -- Meeting: Miramar, Oct 23, 2004 * 3 to 5 pm
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Do come for our India Linux User Group-Goa monthly meeting at the Goa Science Centre, Miramar on Saturday, October 23, 2004 from 3 to 5 pm, where we will be meeting up with each other after a long break, sharing notes, and discussing issues related to Free/Libre and Open Source Software (FLOSS). Please pass the word around to others who might be interested, and also bring around any CDs which you'd like to share or exchange with others on the list. The Goa Science Centre is located along the main-road at the Miramar beach. It is just after the Sharada Mandir School, along the road leading to Dona Paula. If you need directions, call me on 9822 122436 or (landline, before 2 pm) on 2409490. FN Frederick Noronha (FN)Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks http://fn.swiki.net http://www.ryze.com/go/fredericknoronha http://fn-floss.notlong.com Difficulties to send email across? Write to fredericknoronha at vsnl.net
[Goanet]Anjali Monteiro's work (alternative Indian documentary film)
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Goans have contributed a great deal to issues beyond Goa. Often their work is simply not adequately noticed. Just came across a listing of the work -- in the field of documentary film -- by Anjali Monteiro. Anjali and her husband Jayasankar are at the Unit for Media and Communications Tata Institute of Social Sciences Mumbai 400 088. They can be contacted on phone 25563290 upto 96 Ext. 210 E mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.tiss.edu Incidentally, Anjali is the daughter of Brig Innocencio Monteiro of Porvorim, and the sister of Dr Nandita DeSouza, better known for her work in the Sangath Society also at Porvorim. More about Indian alt documentary at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/docuwallahs2 -FN - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - UNIT FOR MEDIA AND COMMUNICATIONS Tata Institute of Social Sciences SYNOPSES OF VIDEO PRODUCTIONS HEALTH AND DISABILITY From the Diary of a Genetic Counsellor -- 30 mins, English, 1991, Directed by K.P. Jayasankar and Anjali Monteiro The programme takes up two cases of Down's syndrome, with different genetic profiles (Trisomy 21 and Translocation 14- 21) and traces the counselling process involved in each case. The aim is to highlight the counselling strategies that could be adopted to help clients to come to terms and deal with the genetic disorder. This programme would be of use to medical practitioners as well as other professionals and paraprofessionals involved in work with the mentally challenged Prerna ENVIRONMENT/ NATURAL RESOURCE MANAGEMENT Pani Panchayat -- Part I & II, 50 mins., English and Marathi versions, 1986, Directed by Anjali Monteiro Documents a water cooperative movement of small farmers in a drought-prone block of Maharashtra. In the first part, Pani Panchayat is juxtaposed with the State's promotion of large irrigation projects. The second part is an appraisal of Pani Panchayat and the extent to which it presents an alternative model. Magra Mewar Vikas Sanstha -- Part I & II, 68 mins., English, 1991, Directed by K.P. Jayasankar and Anjali Monteiro MMVS, based in Ajmer and Bhilwara districts of Rajasthan, is a co-ordinating voluntary agency of village committees that have taken up sustainable development of their common property resources based on the principles of contributory voluntary labour and equitable distribution of produce. The video evaluates these efforts in the context of the on-going ecological degradation of the Central Aravallis and governmental initiatives to remedy the situation. One Hundred Years of Drought -- 21 mins., English, Hindi and Marathi versions, 1993, Directed by K.P. Jayasankar and Anjali Monteiro The video examines the causes of recurrent drought in Maharashtra, attempting to demonstrate the extent to which drought is a socially created phenomenon, a fall out of ecologically unsound policies and practices, both at micro and macro levels. It includes a brief review of the impact of colonial role and famine policy, as well as the post- independence path of development, premised on the growth of heavy industry, large dams and modernisation of agriculture. This has resulted in deforestation, soil erosion and depletion of ground water reserves, calling for alternative appproaches involving people's participation in integrated watershed management, based on the principles of sustainable development, self-reliance and equity. Janaranya -- Joint Forest Management in Uttara Kannada 54 mins., English and Kannada versions, 1999, Directed by K.P. Jayasankar and Anjali Monteiro Uttara Kannada in the Western Ghats region of Karnataka is one of the most densely forested districts in India. The film examines State interventions such as the Joint Forest Planning and Management against the backdrop of livelihood and survival issues of forest dependent communities. Jungle Tales -- Surviving Development in Uttara Kannada 52 mins., English and Hindi versions, 1999, Directed by K.P. Jayasankar and Anjali Monteiro Uttara Kannada in Karnataka is one of the most densely forested districts in India. Development projects in the district have displaced one out of every ten inhabitants. The film examines livelihood and surviv
[Goanet]The Rules - By Goan Men
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## The Rules - This Time By Goan Men We always hear "the rules" from the female side. Now here are the rules from the male side. Specifically Goan males. -- 1. Learn to work the toilet seat. You're a big girl. If it's up, put it down. We need it up, you need it down. You don't hear us bitching about you leaving it down. And if you complain too much we will revert back to the pig toilets. 2. Sunday = Fishing, Football and Feni. It's like the full moon or the changing of the tides. Let it be. 3. Crying is blackmail. Go to your mother's place for a few days. But don't cry. I will send you flowers through EXPRESSIONS! 4. Ask for what you want. Let us be clear on this one: Subtle hints do not work! Strong hints do not work! Obvious hints do not work! Just say it! This is not a subtle Steven Speilberg movie. It is a blatant Prince Jacob tiatr. Do not leave anything to the imagination. 5. We don't remember dates. Mark birthdays and anniversaries on the calendar in the kitchen where you mark how many panv and poeis and kanknna the poder delivers everyday. Remind us frequently beforehand. We will send the list to EXPRESSIONS (The Flower Shop) to take care of the matter. 6. Come to us with a problem only if you want help solving it. That's what we do. Sympathy is what your girlfriends and sisters are for. And Lepoldin Aunty. 7. If you think you're looking like an Old Aunty, you probably are. Don't ask us. We refuse to answer. 8. Let us ogle. We are going to look anyway; it's genetic. It's Goan. 9. You have enough clothes. You have too many shoes. There are only so many village feasts in a year. 10. Varieties of Feni are as exciting for us as handbags are for you.
[Goanet]Goa Governor likely to be transfered..
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Five states to get new governors By: PTI October 21, 2004 http://www.mid-day.com/news/nation/2004/october/95295.htm New Delhi: New governors are being appointed in Maharashtra and four other states as part of major gubernatorial changes which may also involve transfer of Rajasthan governor M L Khurana and his counterparts in two other states, highly places sources said here tonight. The UPA government is using the opportunity of end of the tenure of NDA-appointed governors in the next two months to carry out its second major changes in Raj Bhawans since coming to power in May. The tenure of Mohd Fazal (Maharashtra), Viren J Shah (West Bengal), M M Rajendran (Orissa), V C Pandey (Arunachal Pradesh) and Ved Marwah (Jharkhand) is ending before the year end and indications are that they will be replaced. In addition to Khurana, the governor of Tamil Nadu Ram Mohan Rao and governor of Goa S C Jamir are likely to be transferred to other states. Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil met President A P J Abdul Kalam today, the second time in last three days and the changes in the Raj Bhawans are believed to have figured in these meetings. The names making the rounds for the appointment of governors include Uttaranchal Chief Minister N D Tiwari, who is not keeping good health, and Haryana leader Bansi Lal, whose party Haryana Vikas Party (HVP) merged with Congress recently. Sources said the changes may be effected next week. The other governors in question include S S Barnala (Andhra Pradesh) and Rama Jois (Bihar). Khurana, Barnala and Jois are identified with the previous BJP-led NDA regime. Besides the Bihar government is understood to be upset over its criticism by Jois in his Republic Day address. The UPA government at the Centre had earlier removed the governors of Gujarat, Goa and Madhya Pradesh as they were identified with the NDA government. The changes in the gubernatorial posts had evoked sharp reaction from BJP and other opposition parties. forwarded by Eddie Verdes
RE: [Goanet]Dabolim Airport Debate
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## From: "Philip Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet]Dabolim Airport Debate Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:25:32 +0530 RESPONSE TO DAVID FUTERS' OF OCT 21 Did the first charter flights (from Germany /UK etc) in the mid-80s come directly to Dabolim or end at Bombay? Thanks. CONDOR, a subsidiary of Lufthansa, incepted directly Munchen-Dablim. It was Fernando Peres da Costa's, a Lufthansa veteran, concept. He was the manager of the charter. AT _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]Social Service Cell of Xavier's College (Mumbai)
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Gilbert Lawrence wrote: As regards volunteering. Yes! I have done it in my years in St. Xavier's College, Bombay. Twice a year (during vacation break) the college sponsored a two-week Social Service camp. In far off (poor) villages of Maharashtra, after spending our own money, we - about sixty boys and girls (mostly Goans, graduate and postgraduate students) through our own muscle power and elbow grease - built roads, dug wells, dug latrines, repaired small dams, did a paint-job and other manual things. Later as a physician I provided medical care to these poor villagers (and campers) whilst other students did the above. I am not sure that this is still being done- since the Spanish padres are no longer there to coordinate these social service camps. - That last sentence of Gilbert's displays his xenophilia more than anything else he writes. It will surely disappoint him to know that the Social Service Cell of St. Xavier's College Mumbai is doing pioneering work in the slums of Mumbai and the poorer districts of Maharashtra. Under charismatic and efficient leaders like Fr. Terence (very much an Indian) who is revered for the heights he has taken the Social Service Cell to. With no disrespect to the 'Spanish padres' I would like to inform Gilbert that native Indians are doing a lot for their own less privileged brethren. His assumption that since the Spanish padres are gone that nothing will be happening is far off the mark and only displays his beliefs that it takes 'foreigners' (read whites) to coordinate any social work here. Cecil ===
Re: [Goanet][GoanVoice-UK] Newsletter. Issue 2004-40. Oct 21, 2004
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Folks, Gabe has sent a message to goanet with copy to goanvoice claiming that someone has "either stubby fingers or suffering delerium" As is his style, he does not name the someone. I call on him to do so or to withdraw the accusation. Cheers, Eddie Fernandes. - Original Message - From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sun 14 Nov. The Board of GOA (UK) Limited has decided to move the date of the AGM to Sunday 19th December 2004, in order to avoid a clash with the Navelim Feast. A Notice and Agenda for the meeting will be sent to members in due course. RESPONSE: Some one is rapidly loosing it, either stubby fingers or suffering delerium - Sunday 19th December 2004??? really!! The Union of Navelim, I am sure, was so concerned that they would loose a good many people to the GOA meeting. Please kindly click on the link below for more info: http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/newsletter/2004/Sep/issue5/event/ Cheers, Gabe. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 05/10/2004
[Goanet]Re, re, re, re: caste
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Gilbert Lawrence responds: The dialogue below precisely makes my point of yesterday. Are we talking the same thing? 1. Are we referring to Goa or are we talking about India? The argument is applicable to both. I am a relative newcomer to Goa, but one thing is clear, there is a brahmin-chardo dominated Catholic clergy in Goa. For this, A.C. Menezes' mail on this forum is illuminating, I quote: "...from 16th century to the end of the second world war, only boys coming from the bamon families were allowed to become priests ( the chhaddi boy most probably entered the portals of the seminary sometime during the 19th century ). is this not religious sanction of the caste system?" Caste is a pan-Indian phenomenon, and most arguments on this subject are as applicable to Goa as to India. 2. Are we talking about the Catholic Church or the Christian church? Again, the problem of upper-caste dominated clergy referred to is applicable to both Catholic and Christian church, as it is to most institutions in India, irrespective of creed. 3. Has anybody heard about Dalit agitations in Goa? VG pl.respond! No, I haven't, maybe somebody else has? But if the fact that the clergy is upper-caste dominated is true, maybe we need an agitation here, not specifically 'dalit', but by those 'lower' castes which have traditionally been excluded. It will speed up reform. Again, I repeat one possible solution: Maybe some reservation for dalit clergy at all levels of the church hierarchy would help? Or, rather than reservation, affirmative action along the lines of the US? And one more point, in response,to Dr. Jos Colao, whose comment I paste below. Given the reforms in all communities, and the calls from all enlightened quarters for a total end to the caste system, anyone who believes in and practices the caste system is that much poorer as a human being - FULL STOP! Please understand that I utterly and absolutely condemn the racist Caste System of India. I also believe that ANYONE who believes in it and practises it - is NOT a Catholic but a Hindu - FULL STOP!
[Goanet]Dabolim Airport Debate
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## RESPONSE TO J.COLACO'S OF OCT 21 So the civilian flight pressure on Dabolim seems to be a fairly recent phenomenon -- about 10 years, maybe even less. According to my information the average influx in a year may be of the order of 15 planes per day. The Navy PRO has reported that "there are 112 domestic and 28 international charters" per week. Presumably the charters operate only during the tourist season. He also talks about private owned aircraft numbering about 15-20 but doesnt say whether this is just a registration figure or weekly flights or daily flights. Regarding your point about oxymorons, I would suggest that we should not be so defeatist. For the time being let us think about the effort being made and not the impact on the Navy. I would agree, however, that we are far from being the irresistible force that is meeting an immoveable object (an old oxymoron!).
[Goanet]Dabolim Airport Debate
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## RESPONSE TO DAVID FUTERS' OF OCT 21 Did the first charter flights (from Germany /UK etc) in the mid-80s come directly to Dabolim or end at Bombay? Thanks.
[Goanet]Re: Death from malaria
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## This commentary from Frederick Noronha aptly illustrates the kind of "moderation" he exercises in this forum. And to think that he is ever so ready to call on others to behave, in his capacity as "list moderator"! What a joke... Rui Collaço >From: "Frederick Noronha(FN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Bernado Colaco wrote: > >>Was it malaria or plague or was it Pombal with other >>ideas to move to Pangim? BTW and according to Dr. >>Floirano de Mello malaria was defended against before >>61. Let ignorance not partake this precious list! > >Of course it wasn't malaria, and surely not plague. How could anyone even >conceive anything negative happening in pre-1961 Goa? FN > Re: Death from malaria Dr. Gilbert/Mr. Rui, Thanks for the brief note on the changing of Goa's capital and attributing it to the mosquitos during Portuguese era! The way this thread is given attention, it appears that there is an epidemic and several deaths occur every hour or two. I have returned from a three week vacation in Amchem Goem a little over six weeks now, and did not find it too inconvenient with the not so friendly mosquitos. Do you think that I accidently 'survived' from a bout of malaria attack? I hope the patrakars who give fancy 'title' to their articles to make a quick buck will not blame it on Manohar Parrikar or the BJP as is the norm for everything happening and attributable to Goa and Goans - including a recent accident involving the CM ! Sometimes even a 'dog' hits a car to cause an accident as one patrakar put it ! With such 'news' do we wish to discourage the small segment of 'carpenters and masons' coming in the charter flights from the Euro zone ? For those under the 'influence' of severe threat of the mosquitos in their backyard and varandahs, we have at www.colaco.net a complete 'dos and donts' which can be referred to and implemented, rather than just mincing words in cyberspace. But first of all, we have to seriously do away with the habit of 'garbage' being thrown in each other's durgam as is done in Dr. Wilfred D'Souza's constituency, e.g. in Piqueno Morodd and the hillock bordering Pilerne and Sangolda? Btw, was the Delegad Savudd (Dept. of Health) during Portuguese era better equipped than what it is now. AlmeidaG(ji) www.goa-world.com Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This was a surprise in the sixteenth century when the Portuguese found its capital at Goa Velha to be marshland and Malaria to be a constant epidemic. This was one of the major reasons for their capital to be moved from Goa Velha in 1759 to Margao. Panaji was built in 1843 and became capital a decade later. So Goans have had a long time to tackle this mosquito problem. = Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter since 1994 is moderated by [EMAIL PROTECTED]@R ALMEID@, Associate goa-world.com & presented by Ulysses Menezes, Owner goa-world.com website. All postings with photos, graphics, cartoons archived at www.yahoogroups.com/group/gulf-goans/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Birthdays from 22nd - 24th Oct 2004
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Wishing you all a very HAPPY BIRTHDAY on behalf of GoaNetters to 22-Oct Neville M Dias Saudi Arabia 22-Oct Myra de Souza USA 23-Oct Jesse D'souza Siolim-Marna, Goa / Kuwait 24-Oct Alexyz Goa 24-Oct Frederick Menezes Pune Thanks, Vincente. Please do notify if your e-mail address has been changed, for cc'ing B'day wished to your e-mail address. NOTE: Please send your Birthday's details for those who haven't done so far to the following e-mail address([EMAIL PROTECTED]) with subject as Birthday/Birthday details as per below format. Birth Day/Month NameBirth/Current Place
Re: [Goanet]Fred Noronha & Dabolim
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## From: "Frederick Noronha(FN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Fred Noronha & Dabolim Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:23:27 +0530 (IST) On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, DeFigueiredo, Gabriel wrote: agreed between "the ministry of defence and the civil aviation department", both Central Govt agencies. This could have occurred soon after the "annexation" of March 1962. There appears to have been NO input from the Goa Govt at all, presumably been ordered ever since to "shut up and bear up". AFAIK, the first elected government of Goa took over after elections in December 1963. Prior to that, subsequent to the end of Portuguese colonial rule in a military action, there only was a military government in place -- albeit with some advisory council -- in place. Maybe someone who was around in those times, like 'Chacha' Alfred Tavares (his term!) could disabuse us of any incorrect notions. Cheers, Gabriel. Handoo, my dear chaps, Handoo, Nehru's trouble-shooter in Goa, and, reportedly, his illegitimate (read, bastard) first-cousin. Author of much subsequent mishandled 'governance' in Goa. At that time, there being no civil authority in Goa, decisions were arrived at in military tradition, as per doctrine of occupied lands and spoils-of-war. Alfred de Tavares. Stockholm, 2004-10-22 P.S. I hope these questions get asked on the "Liberation" Day! And I hope that a sneaking (or not-so-sneaking) admiration of the pre-1961 Portuguese regime that seems to linger among a tiny but vocal section doesn't get the upper hand, so as to ruin a perfectly good case about placing economic and societal needs ahead of military assumptions. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/
