[Goanet]RE: Caste and effects of debate.
I am determined to know the pros and cons of caste system. I had also asked if caste system is really diabolical or the person's mindset, power and affluence. Your lengthy post seems to conveniently avoid my requests. However, I did find your slogan, against caste, buried in your innumerable posts and well hidden. It's clever of you to camouflage from prying netters. I am not sure if I can coin it appropriately, but nevertheless I will give it a try. "A SICK MAN SINGLE HANDEDLY FIGHTING A SICK CASTE SYSTEM" It sounds cool, I love it! Avelino Bastora/Kuwait ___ Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote Avelino, I have no patience for that approach because this has gone on far too long, I am in the third quarter of my life, a cancer survivor, and I am anxious to change at least a few minds and plant a few seeds before I check out and try to talk St. Peter into letting me haunt a few people that need haunting.
Re: [Goanet]screw cast- show me the money!
Mario, Luckily for you and a few others, I have been busy cleaning butts, instead of kicking them. Funny thing is that I enjoy doing both, though I will admit that I needed a little bit of practice with the former :) Marlon --- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, Marlon, > > Where've you been, man? How's that baby? How do > you > like getting up at night, cleaning bottles and > smelly > little butts. It never stops. For 18 years at > least. > Only what you have to clean up changes. Those were > the days! Make the most of it.
Re: [Goanet]Secret of LCC JetBlue's Success
Philip, Given that the majority of goans now rely on air transport, your point on concentrating resources on improving airport connectivity between Dabolim and the yet to built Mopa is very logical. For a wealthy state like Goa, I do however feel that relying on a conventional rail link is perhaps being a bit too modest. I would recommend Goa go for a Maglev line, like the one used in Shanghai. I also believe that the time is right for Goa to have its own airlines. Instead of putting money into its Kadamba bus service - which hardly anyone uses, the government should perhaps create a Kadamba Airways instead. Marlon --- Philip Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The lesson for Goa is that civilian flights at > Dabolim should not be > curtailed, Mopa should be gradually built up as well > and connectivity by > road, rail and perhaps even air between Dabolim and > Mopa should be steadily > improved to enable all the people of Goa to benefit > from the State's > aviation infrastructure.
[Goanet]Marketing Tourism
http://in.rediff.com/money/2005/mar/04tourism.htm Ways to market tourism March 04, 2005 T. THOMAS . if we were to look at different parts of India against the canvas of the history of the European merchants in India, we can create a whole saga of great interest to Western tourists. No other country in Asia has this asset and it is time for us to exploit it by marketing this part of our history. --
[Goanet]Re: Secret of LCC JetBlue's Success
[Gabe Menezes, Mar 4] I had only said "steadily improved". You said "shortly". Also, are you trying to suggest that there is NO air link at all between say Gatwick and Heathrow? That is, no air taxis, executive jets, helicopters and the like? All I am trying to say is that the distance should not be viewed as an insurmountable hurdle -- in the long run. That's all. :)
[Goanet]Red Eye Day
Dears, If George's spoof on the Goanet debate on the caste system does not kill it[ the debate, NOT the caste system], we will need to hire a professional exorcist. In the meanwhile, all those suffering from the "Eklavya syndrome" would do well to remember that Eklavya lost his thumb trying to win the game as per brahmanical rules. The Europeans have changed the rules of every game they wished to compete in...and have prospered. Indian and Pakistani wins in hockey are now a part of history. If the Europeans decide to play Kabbadi, you bet they will change the rules to suit them. Ditto for USA in the Kyoto protocol and the Interantional Court of Justice. The chardo unable to find a bamonn girl must be unattractive[ as in pay package or other parameters or social indicators], rather dumbor uninterested in a bamonn girl, anyway. Ditto for vice versa. There was a so-called film critic who found everything about BLACK wrongfor the wrong reasons. My family and I loved the movie...and its CASTSPECIALLY, RANI AND AMITABH[ who loves Amar Singh and hates humari bahu , Sonia.] --- Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Evening we went to Inox for the movie "Black". Superb performances by Rani Mukherjee and Amitabh Bhachan. George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>added: I was also in the theater, you did not see me due to the dim lighting. I met the "guy in the corner with his girlfriend" after the show and asked him why he was crying. He said it had nothing to do with the movie but he was a member of Goanet and was struggling with Gilbert's illogic which had brought him to tears. Don't worry I comforted him, that's 65% of Goanet. I asked the girlfriend what about the movie made her cry. Nothing she said. She is also a member of Goanet and was crying because her Uncle Tio asked her this week the caste of her boyfriend. What does that have to do with romance she replied. Her third-cousin Mario, disappointed that he could not drive a stake in the heart of the caste system, was pleased he had brought the couple together and introduced them after the girlfriend had to break-off her earlier engagement to his second-cousin due to caste incompatibility. ... The other day at the XCHR, some folks were embarrassed that they had been converted from veggie hindus to DK christaos. [ For those who joined Goanet late, DK= Dukor Khaire or pig eaters.]Eating ham and bacon is good because it apes the Brits. Eating Yorkshire pork is tolerable...but imagine eating country pigs. Yuck. I reminded these worthies that the Kodavas of Coorg eat Pandi curry and a staunch saraswat runs Goa Portuguesa that serves sorpatel in Mumbai to celebrities across the religious divide. So why are these christaos suffering from the Eklavya Syndrome and sticking out their sore thumbsto be cut? To what race, religion and caste do pigs belong? Are Yorkshire pigs of a higher caste? If so, why sing the song "Sorpatel" and eat ham? Viva Goa. Miguel
[Goanet]Goans and Caste - Needy Goans
GL responds, Hi Cornell, Thanks for your post on this subject. I was impressed. Congratulations! Now would it not be better if we had spent all our Goan energy and efforts to try and reproduce what you do? Would not that be a better way to get Goans together and work and live more amicably across caste-lines? This may not be in 'Textbooks of Advanced Sociology'. But in my simple mind this help is more valuable in advancing our Goan culture and way of life. I hope with your experience and academic judgment you can transfer the present STRUCTURE OF SUCCESS in London to other Diasporas. If I can lend a hand from this side of the big pond, please do not hesitate to communicate. Dev borem korum ani amchim magnnim Dhonnia Devak tumcam soddanch bori saud (health) ani bolaiki (well-being) asunk. Regards, GL Cornel: Hi Gilbert, Re your specific question to me on help to "needy Goans" in London, I can't see the relevance at all to the ongoing debate on caste. However, as you are obviously dying to know, I can tell that I have been, among other associations, in the Goan Association as an editor with a last publication of forty-eight A4 pages, and while also in the welfare section, was able to help to seek accommodation for newcomers, and even house people in my own premises, briefly, as I was single then, and to obtain warm clothing for them from charity shops. In terms of generally helping people to adjust to a totally new environment with many hurdles to cross, I provided much advice/ help on the education of children from primary school to university. Additionally, help in writing letters to solicitors and immigration bodies, help in obtaining bank accounts and in obtaining council housing and also mortgages, help in registering for GP services, help in sorting out pension transfers from East Africa, and lots and lots of job references, particularly for old acquaintances who badly needed references from here and fast.
[Goanet]Goans MPs in Portuguese Parliament
GL:
The nice thing about analyzing history is that we do not have to be
defensive about it. We don't have an ax to grind, and we can even learn
for it. Of course compared to past history, some aspect of which we may
decry, it may appear that was better than current events.
I was analyzing Teotonio post and reading in between the lines. Of the 8
true-native Goans, only one Bernardo Francisco da Costa appears to have
returned to Goa to serve Goans. Nay, even he appears to have settled
down in Lisbon along with his offspring.:=))
In response to Gabriel's comment, the representation in the Portuguese
Cortes or British Parliament is by the economic interest of 'the people'
represented. So American colonies were represented in British parliament
by the colonists among the Tories or the predecessors (I think the
Wigs). They represented the rulers not the ruled. Similarly India was
represented in British parliament by the BARONS and LORDS who owned
shares of East India Company and subsequent owners of shipping lines
that carried trade from India and China to Europe.
So let's not be carried away by assuming that things were very different
in Portuguese colonies and Cortes. It depends on who does the
appointment/ electing and whose interests are represented and served. In
the current debate about caste, you can bet the economic interest of
which Goans (caste) was represented IF AT ALL.
Gabriel:
I hope the above answers a question you put some months ago as to
whether Goans were allowed to settle in Lisbon. Perhaps the question
was already answered before and the above confirms it.
Also confirmed (I presume - Teotonio would not state this) is that Goa,
or rather, Estado da India Portuguesa, had representation in Portuguese
Parliament ("cortes" during the monarchy and "parlamento" during the
republic and dictatorship), something that British India nor the
Americas did not enjoy in Britain during the British rule (hence the "no
taxation without representation" and the subsequent "Boston Tea Party"
which led to the American War of Indpendence - your knowledge of
American history would be sharper than mine on this topic since you're
"over there").
Teotonio R. de Souza wrote:
This research covers the period 1822-1892. There were 8 true blooded
native Goans during that period. The research only mentions briefly
their background in Goa but does not delve on their lives in Goa. It is
about their performance in the Parliament in Lisbon. But some of them
like Bernardo Peres da Silva, Constancio Roque da Costa, Bernardo
Francisco da Costa, Francisco Luis Gomes and Constancio Roque da Costa
(grandson) played a very active role in local politics in Goa.
Bernardo Francisco da Costa established the first private printing press
in Goa to publish his newspaper "O Ultramar" in 1859. It may be
considered a landmark in Goan cultural history. Bernardo Francisco da
Costa also managed to establish himself as president of an important
municipality in the suburbs of Lisbon ( in Almada) and one of his sons,
Alfredo da Costa was a well-known pediatrician whose name is given to a
prestigious maternity hospital in Lisbon.
Re: [Goanet]Voice of the Exploited
--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >The only reason I am making this point, so that I can >seek your OK to move on to the next perspective. As >per your post before last on this thread, do I have >your permission? :=)), :=)) :=)) > Hi Gilbert, No worries! I was just trying to give you the benefit of doubt, and hopefully, put an end to the thread you began with me. I am sorry, your last post leaves me confused. But I have no interest in your clarifications about this any more. Sorry! Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Re: BJP - may resign en masse after 7/3/2005
Dear Godfrey, Any indication of what Pension Plan the BJP has for its first-time MLAs after resignation. If they complete one full term they get a life-time family pension of Rs.5000/-. This amount is more than the earnings of some of the current MLAs before their accidental election due to the multiple fractures in the Congress votes. Not everyone was lucky to rake in on the raves[leaving Mr.Masurkar in a trance .. facing the music in the High Court ;-( ], infrastructure or Town planning. - Original Message - From: "godfrey gonsalves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As the night wears out and the state gears up for the bandh tommorrow -incidentally it is a non working day for the Goa government there is a contingency plan in the BJP camp to resign "en masse" and ensure Presidents Rule without keeping the House in suspended animation. . These " Chintamanis" now only have 'Chinta'[ that is no longer interesting bhaitak style or otherwise] and very little 'money'. They are not worried about tax..but just the axe effect on their fortunes. With no friendly administration, and no friendly cops, no good business house in the supporting role and no market worthiness, how does one win an election? Selling bajjas, pulling cables or fitting electical gadgets are poor alternatives to the MLAs salary[ Rs.40,000/-?], petrol allowance, phone allowance,staff allowance and other perks. And who is going to take care of the skeletons in the cupboard for free? Only Chinta and no money will drive these guys crazy...if not move them to tears. Every dog has his day..it does not last forever. Viva Goa. Miguel
[Goanet]President's rule in Goa & Disgraceful Events of March 4, 2005
President's rule in Goa PANAJI: The Centre has recommended President's rule in Goa, Home Minister Shivraj Patil said today. The decision was taken at a hurriedly-called meeting of the Union Cabinet, hours after Goa Chief Minister Pratapsinh Rane won a controversial vote of confidence. Patil said that the Centre was not happy with what has happened in the Goa Assembly today and has taken suo-motu action without waiting for the Governor's report. "What has happened in the Assembly today is not acceptable to us. It is not proper to have one member not to vote. This is exactly what has been done by the previous (BJP) government," he said. Earlier, amidst high drama, the Pratapsinh Rane government in Goa won the vote of confidence in the assembly after pro tem Speaker Fransisco Saldinha cast the deciding vote. The BJP and Congress were tied at 16 votes in the assembly after Saldinha restrained UGDP MLA Mathany Saldanha from voting. When the voting took place both the Congress and the BJP got 16 votes each. But the casting vote by the pro tem speaker gave the Congress the majority. In the last week, there have been hectic political manoeuvres by both sides with the Congress and the BJP trying to muster up support to form the government. Meanwhile, the Goa BJP MLAs demanded dismissal of the Rane gov- ernment. They claimed that the pro tem speaker had no jurisdiction to disqualify UGDP MLA Mathany Saldanha who was supporting the BJP. "I can only say that it is wrong to say that Pratapsinh Rane has the majority in Goa. Rane's pro tem speaker without citing any rule or constitution did not allow one of the MLAs supporting the BJP to vote. This is similar to booth capturing," a disappointed senior BJP leader Pramod Mahajan said. Earlier, the BJP alleged that the pro tem Speaker, who's a Con- gress leader, will 'illegally' disqualify UGDP MLA Saldanha. BJP protests: An angry BJP leader, Manohar Parrikar, who was ousted on February 2 after his government was reduced to minority following resignations and disqualification of MLAs from the assembly termed the pro-tem speaker's actions as a "big sham." "The present Speaker does not have the jurisdiction to disqualify or debar any member from voting," Parrikar said. Angry BJP work- ers protested at the Raj Bhavan against outcome of the vote of confidence and demanded immediate dismissal of the Rane govern- ment. Speaker defends move: Rane said the house would be convened within 15 days to elect a new Speaker. Defending his actions the pro-tem Speaker said he had restrained Saldanha from voting as the petitioner had asked for ad-interim relief. Citing several Supreme Court judgments, the petitioner had prayed that a politi- cal party, and not necessarily the legislative party, can issue whips to its members, he said. Saldanha, the lone UGDP MLA, had ignored his party's whip and supported Parrikar. Rane wins trust vote Earlier, amid high drama, Goa Chief Minister Pratapsinh Rane today won a vote of confidence in the assembly with the help of a casting vote by pro-tem Speaker who earlier restrained an opposi- tion member from taking part in the proceedings, setting off strong protests from BJP. As soon as the House convened, pro-tem Speaker Francisco Sardinha debarred UGDP MLA Mathany Saldanha from voting on the basis of a disqualification petition filed by Congress MLA Jitendra Desh- prabhu. (Central Chronicle) - Forwarded by www.goa-world.com
Re: [Goanet]BJP - may resign en masse after 7/3/2005
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:51:21 + (GMT), godfrey gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This would mean fresh elections, in the State in less > than three year (June 2002 to March 2005) RESPONSE: Don't bet your bottom Rupees on this happening. The Congress party can and will continue in office for a period until bye elections are called. However one > school of thought in the BJP camp advocates the wait > and watch to the petition coming up for hearing in the > Supreme Court on 7th March,2005 cause if the petition > is not rendered infructuous due to the developments > today in Goa --- and the situation ante i.e as on > 2/2/2005 exists -- which was the grounds on which the > petition was filed by the Mr Manohar Parrikar there > is every chance for the Parrikar Government to be > restored. RESPONSE: Pigs will fly too, if this happens I shall buy you a nd your partner dinner at Nostalgia in Raia when I am next in Goa. The Courts will not want to put Parrikar in, only for him to loose a floor test! They would certainly not want egg on their face! > > Till this time the notification on Presidents Rule is > awaited. > > Meanwhile as per a telephonic message recieved by the > writer from New Delhi it is confirmed that the PMOs > office has not taken kindly to the developments in the > INC and apparently a word of caution has been issued > to those that matter that the propriety of the > Constitution needs to be safeguarded and not fettered > in the manner the Governors of both Jarkhand and Goa > have done. RESPONSE: This is for the consumption of the public - holier than thou attitude! I tend to think that this was a fix. Do you seriously think that the Congress hierarchy was about to allow a defeat in Goa? The way the Congress Wallahs have conducted this - is to show the Nation that 'we are not of the same mould as the BJP' - 'We are a principled lot'! The bottom line is that the Congress have lost nowt and have gained mucho, mucho. This will leave the BJP on the back foot. If the Congress are savvy they will only hold bye elections in Goa. cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England.
[Goanet]RE: PRESIDENTS RULE in GOA IMMINENT; Any honour among Alibaba's compadres
From: godfrey gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet]PRESIDENTS RULE in GOA IMMINENT Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:36:14 + (GMT) Apparently shocked with the behaviour of the Speaker Mr Francisco Sardinha INC appointed by the Governor Mr S C Jamir under 180(1) of the Constitution (in the absence of a regular Speaker and Dy Speaker as elected by the House have resigned) only to convene the House for the third trial of strenght; but instead extended his brief to not permitting the lone UGDP MLA Mr Mathany Saldanha to cast his vote alongwith the BJP thereby resulting in the Rane Government winning the vote of confidence owing to the casting vote of the Speaker the Union Home Minister Mr Shivraj Patil (an ex Speaker of the Lok Sabha )took a decision to recommend Presidents Rule in the State [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01 March 2005 22:47 We are indeed fortunate. There are millions of people around the world living under tyranical regimes who have no choice about the people who rule over them. We at least have a choice about which set of thieves to pick to rule over us! ---Tony Correia-Afonso. please visit http://www.colaco.net look under NEW New 1. Dear Ex PM Vajpayee - a TGF editorial 2. Dear Ex CM Parrikar - Ethel da Costa 3. The Goan Forum's Goan personae of 2004 - TGF 4. The Ribandar Saga (coming soon) jc _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]Press Note on Kokum Seminar
Chairperson of NABARD,Smt.Ranjana Kumar, inaugurated the 2nd National Seminar on Kokum (Garcinia indica Choisy) at the Goa University recently [4 March,2005]. The two day seminar organised by the Western Ghats Kokum Foundation jointly with the Goa University has attracted delegates from all over the Konkan region including Sindhudurg,Ratnagiri, Goa, Uttara and Dakshin Kannada, Kasargod and beyond. There is a vibrant interactive session at the end of each set of presentations by experts in the cultivation, breeding, processing and financing of the development in kokum in the Konkan region. The Amrut Kokum or Brindao, i.e. a syrup made from the flesh fleshy rind[ or sol] of the Kokum or Brindonna (Garcinia indica Choisy) fruit, is a refreshing summer drink. This is pure sol and sugar preparation with no preservatives, additives or colourants. The brindao has a natural scarlet to burgundy red colour. It is generally consumed within the same summer season, although the natural para hydroxyl citric acid acts as a preservative ensuring a shelf life of a year or more.. In the Konkan region of Maharashtra state, besides fruit juice and sugar there are flavour additives like citric acid, salt, condiments (nutmeg, jeera, etc) and salt. Class II preservatives are added by commercial Kokam syrup manufactures to increase shelf- life to 12 months. Kokum Agal is a rind juice concentrate preserved in brine or salt. The Agal can be used to male instant sol-kadi instead of the lengthy process of soaking dried sol and extracting the juice each time. The excess salt in the instant sol kadi is the price of this convenience. The freshly removed rind of ripe Brindonna contains just one percent starch and no sugar at all. For this reason, the quantity of sugar added to make syrup is twice the weight of the rind used. If a red wine coloured syrup can be made from sugar-less kokum or brindonna, why not wine itself? Indeed, red red wine can be made from Brindonna with a good body and bouquet to boot. Some households in Goa do make good brindao wine. The Western Ghat Kokum Foundation (WGKF) has also embarked on a journey for wine preparation from kokum. Brindonna rind contains about 22 percent hydroxyl citric acid [ or HCA], a suppressant of lipogenesis or fat production in the body. It contains 2.4 percent of natural pigments like anthocyanin and garcinol. An attractive red wine with these natural properties is unbeatable. Speaking on the occasion, Smt.Ranjana Kumar waxed eloquent on the properties of kokum fat [ also known as Goa Butter], the Amsul or sol and its HCA content as well as the medicinal properties of Garcinia indica fruits. NABARD, the apex financial institution which she now heads, " would be eager to play a proactive role to facilitate the development of this fruit crop by providing the critical component, i.e. credit, through the financila institutions." she said in a prepared speech. She ,however, warned that " merely extending credit without firming up the backward and forward linkages will not serve a fruitful purpose." and advocated a " cluster development approach" focussing on all issues in the supply chain. Smt.Ranjana Kumar praised the Government of Maharashtra for recognising the potential of Kokum and including Kokum planting under the employment guarantee scheme[EGS] as done in the case of mango and cashew plantations earlier. The Dr. Balasaheb Sawant Konkan Krishi Vidyapeet[ Konkan Agriculture University, Dapoli-Maharashtra] and its Regional Fruit Research Station at Vengurla were the front runners in research and development of Kokum. She said that corporate houses, with strength in R & D, should step in to develop various value added products from Kokum fruits. Attention is also required for packaging and marketing of Kokum products. Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points(HACCP) certification and licence under Fruit Products Order were also required for the Kokum processing units to make an impact in the market. She was in favour of positioning "Konkan Kokum" on the lines of "Darjeeling Tea" In the technical sessions, Dr.B.P.Patil, Associate Director of the RFRS-Vengurla, presented the status of research at Vengurla, Dr.Prabhakar R.Bhat of the Indian Institute of Science's Centre for Ecological Sciences [CES], Sirsi, spoke of the status of Kokum in Karnataka and Dr.Devendra Pandey, Chief Conservator of Forests, spoke on the scope of Kokum plantation in the forests to generate recurring income from this Non-timber Forest Produce [NFP]. Shreepadre, an agriculture journalist and facilitator of people's participation in development based in Karnataka, Dr.Kulkarni from Maharashtra , Dr.V.S.Korikantimath,Director of ICAR-Goa and others also shared their experiences. Dr.Nandkumar Kamat, the Organising Secretary was also the efficient floor manager who ensured that the seminar moved along smoothly. Dr. Ajit Shirodkar, Chairman of the Western Ghats Kokum Foundation[ WGKF] and Dr.V.S.Korikantimath chaired
[Goanet]Matanhy's press statement
PRESS NOTE FOR PUBLICATION (4/3/05) --- It is my firm belief the UGDP leadership is duty bound to inform me and the general public the reasons for the sudden change of heart and their love for the Congress. Just two months back in total disobedience and defiance of the United Goans Democratic Partys decision, the UGDPs Senior Vice President Mr. Radharao Gracias was singing praises of the BJP and campaigning during the Poinguinim elections, resulting in his inviting disciplinary action from the Party. Now Mr. Radharao has become the convener of ULP even though he is not an elected member of the Assembly. Was Mr. Radharao not aware of the BJP leanings then? Has enlightenment dawned on Mr Radharao only after the Town & Country Planning minister was dropped from the Parrikar led Ministry? I am happy that a section of the United Goans Democratic Party leadership in collusion with the Congress Party has served me a disqualification notice. It proves to what extent vested leaders can stoop to grab power to fulfill their personal interests. It has also proved the meaninglessness of the oath taken on God to abide by the Constitution of the country. It has also proved how the vested and corrupt can gang up even by bypassing/subverting the verdict of the people. It is for the people of Goa to know how leaders are taking them for granted, in the name of democracy. I do not want Goans to be divided on the basis of religion and caste. Let politics be based on principles of governance and development of the state and its people without discrimination of any kind. I was elected on UGDP without purchasing my ticket nor did I distribute money, food or wine to my voters. People voted for me for my work and commitment to society for the last 28 years. I am still UGDP and would continue in UGDP, but a section of party leadership now has taken this illegal decision to disqualify me. I will have to decide my next course of action and I am confident that the people of Cortalim Constituency and Goa will be with me to safeguard democracy. It is in the interest of the general public, that principles based on moral, social and ethical values need to be adhered to at all cost. Being a UGDP legislator and in accordance with the UGDP decision initially to support BJP I became a member of the BJP led coalition government and subsequently a minister two years later. It is not possible for me to now jump onto the Congress bandwagon for the sake of ministership and a few crores in hand, such unprincipled jumping is a total violation of the letter and spirit of the Tenth Schedule of the Constitution, an amendment which was introduced only to prevent such mischievous and unprincipled defections and horse trading. I also hope the ongoing Goan political situation will help Parliament to bring in necessary amendments to the Constitution of the country in order to plug all the loopholes which presently are being misused by the elected representatives and political parties to protect their personal interests and that of the vested interests. MATANHY SALDANHA MLA, Cortalim Constituency. __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
[Goanet]Congress delivers coup de grace.
In a cleverly executed manoeuvre, The Congress Wallahs have saved the day. The plot was hatched well in advance. The only route to prevent the BJP entering through the back door ( since they had expelled Neri) was to perform likewise and remove Mathany. This they knew was questionable but would serve their purpose. What happens next? Could some Politico pundit kindly inform us the route that will be taken. After President's rule is there a general state election or is it only those seats that are presently vacant, that will be contested? What happens to the the MLA's who might be disqualified for holding office for profit? Will they be able to stand for elections again or are they barred from ever holding office.? BJP Having lost support will no doubt want fresh elections, the Congress on the other hand having the ascendancy will only want bye elections to take place. Hopefully a lot will be unearthed during President's rule and people/persons will get their just fruits. cheers. Gabe Menezes. London England.
[Goanet]BJP - may resign en masse after 7/3/2005
As the night wears out and the state gears up for the bandh tommorrow -incidentally it is a non working day for the Goa government there is a contingency plan in the BJP camp to resign "en masse" and ensure Presidents Rule without keeping the House in suspended animation. This would mean fresh elections, in the State in less than three year (June 2002 to March 2005) However one school of thought in the BJP camp advocates the wait and watch to the petition coming up for hearing in the Supreme Court on 7th March,2005 cause if the petition is not rendered infructuous due to the developments today in Goa --- and the situation ante i.e as on 2/2/2005 exists -- which was the grounds on which the petition was filed by the Mr Manohar Parrikar there is every chance for the Parrikar Government to be restored. Till this time the notification on Presidents Rule is awaited. Meanwhile as per a telephonic message recieved by the writer from New Delhi it is confirmed that the PMOs office has not taken kindly to the developments in the INC and apparently a word of caution has been issued to those that matter that the propriety of the Constitution needs to be safeguarded and not fettered in the manner the Governors of both Jarkhand and Goa have done. GODFREY J I GONSALVES BORDA MARGAO GOA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony
[Goanet]NEWS -- Big Two shadow-boxing for power touches a new high in tiny Goa
Big Two shadow-boxing for power touches a new high in tiny Goa >From Frederick Noronha PANAJI (Goa), March 4: After a hectic day of politicking in Goa's Congress-versus-BJP bitter battle for power, the sun set here to news coming in that New Delhi wants President's Rule clamped on this state. But to unravel what this really means, one has to read the story behind the story. At one level, this marks a climb-down by the Congress to an aggressive BJP on the issue. But, contrary to what it seems, this is also a shrewd strategy by the ruling coalition in New Delhi to both diffuse a snowballing crisis and, at the same time, safeguarding Congress interests. BJP leaders, mainly at New Delhi and also ousted chief minister Manohar Parrikar -- the single man who has done most to keep alive and afloat the ideology and rule of the party in Goa -- have whipped up a frenzy over the Goa situation. Seen from a distance, even if you're someone who doesn't admire the Congress and its doings, the BJP's brouhaha is all quite out of proportion to what actually happened here. TV newsbytes have dramatised the situation, while linking it to the state of Jarkhand where the Congress was invited to form government without being the largest grouping. This, together with the media propaganda that a section of the largely still-loyal pro-BJP media has unleashed, has stoked emotions both in Goa and elsewhere across India. But the reality is different. Firstly, the home truth is that in end-January 2005, Goa's larger-than-life chief minister Manohar Parrikar actually lost his majority, after his allies started deserting him. Four (and, later, one more) from the BJP-side quit their assembly seats, in what has become the Goa-style of defecting and earning lucratively enough without paying any anti-defection penalties. But the Jarkhand faux pas came at an untimely juncture for the Congress, spurring the BJP to take up both the issues -- Jarkhand and Goa -- with equal vehemence, including in parliament. Some ham-handed and questionable decisions by the Governor and the manner in which the Congress-led coalition took over power didn't help that party's image either. So, when New Delhi calls for President's Rule in Goa, the impression that might go out is that the Congress is doing quite a climb-down. But, in reality, the truth might be just the opposition. Opting for keeping the legislative assembly under a spell of 'suspended animation' would only mean advantage Congress. Goa's politicians -- specially since 1990 -- have shown immense proclivity to jump to whichever party holds the reigns in New Delhi, often to the detriment of Goa itself. BJP has an uphill task. That became clear ever since the May 13, 2004 results at the nationwide general elections. By opting for this route, the Congress hopes to eventually overcome its rather unhealthy position in the 40-seat Goa assembly, where it is neck-to-neck with the BJP alliance. PAST EXPERIENCE: President's Rule is no stranger to Goa. Over the past decade-and-half, when this state has seen intense political instability -- in part engineered by the BJP which has also rightly blamed the Congress and its overambitious leaders for being unable to rule -- there has been a spell of President's Rule. But most other transitions have been smoother. In the late 'nineties, Goa saw a strange phenomenon where a group of citizens actually protested before the then Chief Election Commission, asking for an extension of President's Rule, to keep away its controversial and often-disliked politicians. Since then, Parrikar came in with an image of being a Mr Clean and a hard-working go-getter. But his arrogance over years in power, tendency to favour cliques, furthering the religious polarisation in Goa, and his single-handed overwhelming dominance over the government while 'using and discarding' allies lost him many friends. BJP's only hope now is to push for fresh elections in Goa; ever-the-optimist former chief minister Parrikar once engineered a mid-term election without some of his Cabinet collegues even being aware of it. Initially on Friday, the much-praised and equally-criticised former CM started by demanding that the Rane government be "dismissed immediately" and his government be reinstated. "Our demand is that the Rane government be dismissed immediately," he told journalists. But, by evening, when nothing of this sort appeared to be happening, Parrikar changed his tune to talk about fresh elections for Goa. (ENDS)
[Goanet]Francisco Sardinha's actions termed 'shameful and fraud' !! No novice to scandals !!!
Goa Speaker's action shameful: BJP By: PTI http://web.mid-day.com/news/nation/2005/march/104916.htm March 4, 2005 New Delhi: BJP today termed as "shameful and fraud" the action of Goa Pro-tem Speaker Fransisco Sardinha in giving his casting vote in favour of the Pratapsinh Rane Government which survived a trial of strength in the state Assembly. "The Pro-tem Speaker casting his vote has never happened anywhere in India. This way of getting majority is totally wrong" former BJP President M Venkaiah Naidu told reporters on the sidelines of a programme organised by the women's wing of the party here. Terming the action as "shameful and fraud", he said "this was very much on expected lines, that is why we were protesting both inside and outside of Parliament. "We cannot expect better from this Congress-led Government which has no respect for the Constitution and they are going back to Indira Gandhi's regime," Naidu said. _ >From the Hindustan Times: The Centre on Friday decided to impose President's rule in Goa, Home Minister Shivraj Patil said. The assembly will be kept under suspended animation. These decisions were taken at a hurriedly called meeting of the Union Cabinet in New Delhi, hours after Chief Minister Pratapsinh Rane won a controversial vote of confidence in the assembly with the help of the protem Speaker's casting vote. The Cabinet has recommended to the President that the state be brought under Central rule under Article 356 of the Constitution. Patil said that the Centre was not happy with what has happened in the assembly on Friday and has taken suo-motu action without waiting for the Governor's report. "What has happened in the assembly today is not acceptable to us. It is not proper to have one member not to vote. This is exactly what has been done by the previous (BJP) Government," he said. http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1266688,000900040002.htm AND NOT TOO LONG AGO: http://www.goanews.com/10feb981.htm "How is it possible ? He is known as one of the most corrupt minister during his four terms due to the marks scandal, meat complex scandal, dam scandal and the power scandal. At least Faleiro was not a corrupt man", retaliates Alemao. He is totally dependent upon returns for his work and utilisation of the MPs funds in the tribal areas. _ Marks scandal. Students protested against the alteration of marks of the niece of Congress Education Minister Francisco Sardinha, to ensure her passing the ... www.lusotopie.sciencespobordeaux.fr/fernandes2003.rtf _ ... Chief Minister Francisco Sardinha sent one of his chums to Dr Kamat ... Sardinha is no novice to such scandals ... them to alter his niece's 12th Standard marks in the ... groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/message/1322 ___Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. Konkani Drama "NOORA" by Micheal D'Silva under the auspices of United Friends Club-Kuwait on 8th April 2005. For details, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pick of the week: http://www.goa-world.com/goa/pintofamily/Goa's finest websites: www.colaco.net www.supergoa.com www.goa-world.com Celebrate in Style Greet Someone You Love Back Home in Goa with Fresh Flowers Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.goa-world.com/expressions/ Konkani weekly V-Ixtt now online at www.v-ixtt.com Konkani monthly magazine now online at www.gulabonline.com__Goans often find it easier to be a result of the past than a cause for the future. Isn't it time to change this? __ __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
[Goanet]PRESIDENTS RULE in GOA IMMINENT
Apparently shocked with the behaviour of the Speaker Mr Francisco Sardinha INC appointed by the Governor Mr S C Jamir under 180(1) of the Constitution (in the absence of a regular Speaker and Dy Speaker as elected by the House have resigned)only to convene the House for the third trial of strenght; but instead extended his brief to not permitting the lone UGDP MLA Mr Mathany Saldanha to cast his vote alongwith the BJP thereby resulting in the Rane Government winning the vote of confidence owing to the casting vote of the Speaker the Union Home Minister Mr Shivraj Patil (an ex Speaker of the Lok Sabha )took a decision to recommend Presidents Rule in the State --- but it is not clear whether the House will be held in suspended animation (which implies that the existing elected MLAs will continue --- at home ) until the House is recovened --- after the by-elections and a fresh test on the floor of the Assembly is carried out. While Mr Rane and the INC MLAs have suddenly felt the shock of a situation --- so close yet far away meaning having tasted the chances of power after darkness from 24 October 2000 to 4th March 2005 they will now have to bid time until the elections are underway. In the meanwhile the BJP rank and file have decided to hold a Bandh in Goa and as reports keep trickling minute by minute there is some rejoicing in the BJP camp as was witnessed by this writer at the Raj Bhavan outskirts. The people of Goa are also jubilant as the last over a month from 27.1.2005 to date political uncertainity was going to be bad days reminiscent of the 1990s an era of instability. Until further news --- and awaiting the Extraordinary gazette publications the writer is moving for further details at the BJP and INC Headquarters in Panaji city. GODFREY J I GONSALVES borda margao goa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony
[Goanet]Dismiss the Congress Governors in India - Carlos
These nuts failed in their respective states and are now creating HAVOC in the country. Interestingly the Governors of Goa & Jharkhand both belong to Minority communities plus the PM, Congress Super PM, and the President of India. They don't know arithmetic, no principles, no ethics, screw the constitution, and are communalist favoring the minorities. How can decent people who say they have principles or ethics, can tolerate such people. The only person I still respect is the President of India. Hope he cleans this mess. Question arises "Can the Minorities govern a place like India" or even a small state of Goa. Look at the instability they bring.
[Goanet]President's Rule imposed in Goa
http://headlines.sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=13686359&headline=President's~rule~imposed~in~Goa Centre decides to impose President's rule in Goa Friday, 04 March , 2005, 19:07 New Delhi: The Centre on Friday decided to impose President's rule in Goa, Home Minister Shivraj Patil said. The Assembly will be kept under suspended animation. These decisions were taken at a hurriedly-called meeting of the Union cabinet, hours after Chief Minister Pratapsinh Rane won a controversial vote of confidence in the Assembly with the help of the pro tem Speaker's casting vote. __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
[Goanet]Fwd: President's rule it is!
http://www.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=70888&cat=India Goa to come under President's Rule:- New Delhi | March 04, 2005 7:44:37 PM IST New Delhi, March 4 : The central cabinet Friday decided to impose the President's Rule in Goa. A hurriedly called cabinet meeting decided on the measure in crisis-hit Goa, hours after Congress Chief Minister Pratapsing Rane, in office for only a month, won a controversial vote of confidence. "In order to avoid a constitutional crisis in the state, the cabinet has decided to impose President's Rule in Goa," Home Minister Shivraj Patil told reporters after the cabinet meeting. Patil said the developments in the Goa assembly earlier in the day had "repeated" the mistakes of the former speaker, who had ordered the physical removal of a legislator to create an artificial majority for the then-Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP)-led government. In Friday's trust vote also, the pro-term speaker restrained a legislator supporting the BJP from voting and cast his own vote to give a majority to the Congress-led government. -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]President's rule in Goa
Centre decides to impose President's rule in Goa Friday, 04 March , 2005, 19:07 New Delhi: The Centre on Friday decided to impose President's rule in Goa, Home Minister Shivraj Patil said. The Assembly will be kept under suspended animation. These decisions were taken at a hurriedly-called meeting of the Union cabinet, hours after Chief Minister Pratapsinh Rane won a controversial vote of confidence in the Assembly with the help of the pro tem Speaker's casting vote. --- Source: http://sify.com/news/politics/fullstory.php?id=13686359 ==
[Goanet]Democracys inconvenient fact - PETER RONALD DE SOUZA
Democracys inconvenient fact - PETER RONALD deSOUZA Making sense of Indian democracy has been for many of us a continuing obsession. This is driven not by curiosity alone for deep down, at the bottom of our souls, is the fervent hope that despite its lapses and deficits democracy is determinedly moving India forward. From the grim building blocks of caste and feudal India, the indignity of exclusions and marginality, comes the belief that a decent society will emerge because of democracy. It is modern Indias silver bullet. Enough is not enough. We need more democracy. There is an implicit teleology to this belief which holds that which comes later constitutes an advancement over that which has come earlier, that the processes which democracy engenders are invariably morally superior to the practices that preceded it. While one would generally agree with such a progressive reading of history, since democracy does push forward an egalitarian and participatory public agenda, one would, however, like to complicate it a little by the introduction of an inconvenient fact. This strategy of using an inconvenient fact to problematize a generalization has great heuristic value since it makes the self-evident truth less self-evident; it compels us to think not just morally but also spatially and temporally and requires us to search for caveats and qualifiers. The history of democracy is such a dialectical history where processes begin to undermine institutions and where institutions respond by introducing new qualifiers that processes then again begin to undermine. I shall illustrate this by looking at the last two decades of party competition in Goa. These decades of democratic politics in Goa can be read from several viewpoints: the subaltern viewpoint which sees it as a great step forward when voice has been given to suppressed and excluded groups who have now entered politics and begun to make it their own in their own way; the elite viewpoint which sees it as a period of institutional decay when the new political leaders who have come from among the masses and who, through their political behaviour, stretch the limits of what is permissible in a democracy, keep redefining its Laxman Rekha; the political economy viewpoint which sees the state as being taken over by many vested interests, especially the class of politicians and bureaucrats, and the super-rich mine-owners, all of whom extract considerable rent from it, converting the state into a rentier state; or the institutional viewpoint which sees the state as evolving through a dialectical relationship between institution and process wherein the former regulates political behaviour and the latter seeks to stretch such regulation to its limits and sometimes to go beyond it. All these viewpoints have certain validity. Rather than discuss the political in Goa through each of these lenses I shall, instead, present Goa as an inconvenient fact for Indian democracy. The aspect that I wish to dwell on is the political behaviour of elected political representatives within the party system in Goa since it poses a challenge for our thinking about representative democracy. Most of the commentaries on such political behaviour in Goa either denounce it (which is often the case) on the assumption that there is a model of good behaviour from which this is regarded as a gross deviation, an imaginary model which does not exist anywhere, or just ignore it. What we need to do, instead, is to analyze it since it contains some knotty problems for our thinking about representation in a democracy. The following will give us a sense of what happens when electoral democracy begins to be the main measure of the democratic system. In the 43 years since Goas liberation from colonial rule, the party system went (perhaps evolved!) through the following four phases. I shall discuss these four phases somewhat sketchily, since what I wish to do is to mainly present their distinctive features. In the first phase from 1963-1977, the party system in Goa exhibited the classical pattern of a two party alternating system where one party, the MGP (Maharashtrawadi Gomantak Party), formed the government and the other party, the UGP (United Goans Party), formed the opposition. This produced a contest between the two local parties, each with distinct social bases that they sought to mobilize and consolidate behind them. Each presented a vision of Goa that was then offered to the electorate. The MGP vision, based on giving presence to the Bahujan in the state, seemed to get more takers and over the decade and a half gained in support. This first phase can be interpreted as one when the representative, even though at some social remove from the social base, acts on behalf of the welfare or interests of the represented. In this phase representative democracy has arrived but not been appropriated by the masses and hence its functioning is still guided by the classes who set t
[Goanet]RE: RE: Small Mercies!
What about "dishonest handlers of public money?" -- RKN Cip Fernandes wrote in response to my posting on the subject: "Do you really think this sort of language is appropriate? Could you please re-phrase it?" Dear Cip: When Churchill called a fellow-member of Parliament (I think it was Labour's Aneurin Bevan) a "Liar", he was pulled up by the Speaker and asked to re-phrase his statement - which he obliged by accusing Bevan of being guilty of a "terminological inexactitude!" Perhaps you could suggest an appropriate euphemism to meet the requirements in this case! ---Tony. _ Click, Upload, Print. http://www.kodakexpress.co.in?soe=4956 Deliver in India.
[Goanet]BJP wants Rane govt dismissed
BJP wants Rane govt dismissed Sandesh Prabhudesai in Panaji | March 04, 2005 16:27 IST The Bharatiya Janata Party on Friday demanded the dismissal of the Pratapsinh Rane government in Goa. The Rane-led Congress government earlier in the day won a confidence vote 17-16, with Speaker Francisco Sardinha casting his vote after there was a tie. Also see: Rane govt wins confidence vote in Goa Senior BJP leader and former chief minister Manohar Parrikar rushed soon after the confidence vote to Raj Bhavan to meet Governor S C Jamir. "The governor dismissed my government under similar circumstances on February 2. He must act in a similar manner now," Parrikar said. Parrikar said Speaker Francisco Sardinha misused his position by restraining United Goans Democratic Party MLA Mathany Saldhana from voting. The protem speaker, he said, had no right to conduct any business other than the trust vote. The Parrikar government wa dismissed just hours after it won a confidence vote amidst confusion and chaos over the disqualification of independent MLA, Philip Neri Rodrigues. http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/000200503041701.htm ___Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. Konkani Drama "NOORA" by Micheal D'Silva under the auspices of United Friends Club-Kuwait on 8th April 2005. For details, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pick of the week: http://www.goa-world.com/goa/pintofamily/Goa's finest websites: www.colaco.net www.supergoa.com www.goa-world.com Celebrate in Style Greet Someone You Love Back Home in Goa with Fresh Flowers Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.goa-world.com/expressions/ Konkani weekly V-Ixtt now online at www.v-ixtt.com Konkani monthly magazine now online at www.gulabonline.com__Goans often find it easier to be a result of the past than a cause for the future. Isn't it time to change this? __ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Voice of the Exploited
GL responds: Santosh my friend, please do not assume anything. My writing speaks for itself. If you want to make more sense of it, please read it again and again. Then kindly contemplate on it rather than respond to it with a knee-jerk series of reactions or more questions. For all of us, it is easy to get technical on unimportant details and miss the line of reasoning. It may be nice and easy to make fame or a fast buck with writing fabrication (fiction) at somebody else's expense, reputation and physical suffering. But is it right? I am sure your statement below is followed by many cyberGoans. But to my simple mind, it needs a lawyer to interpret. :=)) The only reason I am making this point, so that I can seek your OK to move on to the next perspective. As per your post before last on this thread, do I have your permission? :=)), :=)) :=)) Thanks. Regards GL Santosh: That is good. In mentioning docu-drama, I assume you mean you have a problem with fiction which is presented as fact, and not fiction based on fact, which is rightly presented as fiction. Cheers,
[Goanet]Re: Small Mercies!
In response to a recent posting of mine on the subject, Cip Fernandes had opined that the language was "inappropriate" and suggested that it be re-phrased. He apparently found the term "thief" to be offensive. In this connection I would like to draw the attention of fellow- goanetters to the front page editorial in today's issue of "Gomantak Times" under the banner-headline: " Do not let bloodsucking socundrel politicians rule you!" Shortage of space prevents me from quoting further extracts from the editorial at length, but one sentence highlighted in bold letters within a box on the front page deserves to be quoted: "Even gangsters, mafia dons and smugglers have more honour and values than our politicians. Criminal gangs in Mumbai and Dubai have a better record of loyalty than political parties in Goa." Perhaps Cip found the term used by me to be too mild and felt that I should have used a stronger expression! ---Tony Correia-Afonso.
Re: [Goanet]Re: Will the anti-casters identify thems
--- Bernado Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Senhor Gouveia, > In my childhood I lived in a Animal Farm. So it was > social thinking from dawn to dusk. And when I got > married there was no question of casta. I got > married > to Ms. Intelligence and Beautiful. I guess you > Mumbai > guys are more into this casta thingy innit? > > I have learnt more on the casta on the net than in > Goa. > Mario eplies: Hey, Bernardo, First, some housekeeping. I spell my name GOVEIA, not the more traditional GOUVEIA. Second, I am not from Bombay. My hometown is Hindu-extremist dominated Jabalpur, where I was like an ant dancing among elephants when it came to religious relations. That must have been some Animal Farm you grew up on. Congrats on marrying Ms. Intelligence and Beautiful. She must also love animals, no pun intended. I assume she was not of your caste. As I have said, you have led either a sheltered life, or, like some of our other Pro-casters, don't believe the Holocaust happened either.
RE: [Goanet] Death of the Caste System -- Carlos
--- Cip Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well said Carlos! > > <> > > I agree with Carlos that the so-called caste system > among some fake Goan Catholics, including some > priests will perish soon as it has no foundation > whatsoever. Mario cautions: Hey, Cip and Carlos, Don't kid yourselves. How can you be so sanguine and flippant about a system that has survived for 5,000 years among Hindus, and some 450 years among Catholic Goans, where it was not supposed to even exist after conversion? >
Re: [Goanet]Re: Will the anti-casters identify themselves?
--- "Teotonio R. de Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >don´t you believe this hanky-panky anti-caste campaign. They are not dying for Christian love. Can't see it from from their language and rancorous tone. Mario muses sadly: I guess pointing out that the caste system is incompatible with Christianity and imploring people to give it up is now seen as "rancorous" to some cynics. Or ae they closet Pro-casters?
Re: [Goanet]Caste - Activism & Karl Marx
--- Vidyadhar Gadgil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Cecil, > > Question everything - Karl Marx > Mario ruminates: I wish old Karl had taken his own advice. >
Re: [Goanet]screw cast- show me the money!
Hey, Marlon, Where've you been, man? How's that baby? How do you like getting up at night, cleaning bottles and smelly little butts. It never stops. For 18 years at least. Only what you have to clean up changes. Those were the days! Make the most of it. I tend to agree with you about the younger Goans, and Hindus for that matter, but I am still getting queries fom the parents asking about someone or other's caste. Happened on this trip (I'm still in India). Apparently, no one asks Gilbert. I don't know about money, but I am desperately trying to screw the caste system before I go. Now, back to work. It must be feeding time already. --- Marlon Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I fully agree with Carlos. For most young Goans, the > issue of cast is irrelevant. > It is interesting to note that this heated > discussion > about nothing is primarily taking place amongst > goanet's geriatric members. I say this tongue in > cheek > to highlight another real issue - age > discrimination. > I think this will be a far more significant concern > in > the not so very future. > > Marlon > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Death of the caste system. > > Whether you like it or not, I feel that the caste > > system will die fairly soon, whether people like > it > > or not. But how? If Gautama Buddha, Guru Nanak, > > Ramchandra, Tulsidas and Swami Vivekanda (and > > others) could not reform it or eradicate it, what > > will kill it off now? The simple answer - money. > > Money changes everything, never underestimate its > > power. > > >
Re: [Goanet]RE: Goans and caste
Gilbert, Why do you give me such opportunities, which I cannot resist? As probably one of the most vociferous Anti-castists (I don't know who coined this name, but I like it) I say, with apologies to President Geoge W. Bush, "You are either with us, or with the Pro-castists." What does someone in the middle of this look like? I'd like to know. Regarding "pigeon-holing" I say, "If the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn't, then, no problem." --- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like the title they have given themselves - > Anti-Casteist. So what are the rest of us? Pro-Casteist? As some audaciously pigeon-hole us! >
[Goanet]Agitated Goa BJP stage "dharna" at Raj Bhavan
Following the turmoil in the Goa Legislative Assembly House, and with a mere show of hands legitimising the Mr Pratapsing Raoji Ranes governments continued rule (the Speaker cast his deciding vote when both sides were tied 16 INC MGP NCP and BJP 16) the BJP has now made its presence felt in great numbers at the Governor's residence here at Dona Paula. There is a vociferous "dharna" being staged with slogan shouting demanding the dismissal of the Rane Government. A large contingent of police have been posted. There is hectic consultations from the Governors office with the officials in New Delhi and the Union Ministry of Home at New Delhi. The Congress High Command is meanwhile ceased with the issue of appointment of Chief Minister of Haryana as there are three four claimants as telephonically confirmed from New Delhi to this writer a little while ago. Hence the Goa issue has been given a go by. However it is for the Goa Governor and the Home Minister in New Delhi to decide the appropriateness of keeping the Assembly in suspended animation and a brief spell of Presidents rule until the five by-elections are over which in any case would not enhance the prospects of the BJP given that two other disqualifications of MLAs for holding "office of profit" are expected to go against the BJP. Incidentally according to a telephonic message just recieved from New Delhi by this writer the case of Mr Parrikar which was to be heard in the Supreme Court this morning has since been postponed to 7th. The BJP led NDA at the Centre has also created a further turmoil in the Lok Sabha which has since been adjourned to the 9th March, 2005. They allege that there is a clear case of the newly appointed Governors both in Goa and Jarkhand acting in a partisan manner devoid of Constitutional ethics. The local and national media editorials have been critical of these developments especially considering the image of Ms Sonia Gandhi after her supreme sacrifice in shunning the post of PM and the Mr Clean PM of India Dr Manmohan Singh, they do not want to see the era of the 70s of late PM Ms Gandhi when all Constitutional safeguards were thrown to the winds. For just yesterday in the newly carved State of Jarkhand ( a part of Bihar) the Governor there had similarly called in the side JMM of Mr Siboo Soren backed by the UPA government at the Centre which did not have the requisite numbers to form the Government and given 20 days to test his majority on the floor of the Assembly. This group is supported by the United Goans Party -- only because of the two leaves symbol. The NDA have taken their 41 members and paraded him before the President Mr APJ Abdul Kalam including one member who was bed ridden and had to be flown in there by a chartered flight. Therefore with this unsavoury development there is a sympathy wave for the Parrikar Government in Goa as can be seen from the many who have assembled here to get a inkling of the developments. Surprisingly there is no rejoicing here in the Capital city and the general comment is that --- bad days are here again -- instability ---apparently referring to the possibility of some members of the INC demanding better portfolios if the Rane Government is there to stay. The immediate test of Mr Rane's government will be in the success of his INC candidates in the forthcoming elections on 13th March 2005 as two attempts to gain a stay as the delimitation of Zilla Panchayats was alleged to be carried out without obtaining comments from the aggrieved were not taken cognizance of by the High Court as the election process had already been completed with the last date for withdrawal of nominations. There is a hectic debate going on at the few tea shops near Dona Paula debating the fact that there is a clear preceding section which decides the appointment of the Speaker and Deputy Speaker making it the perogative of the elected members of the newly constituted House. The Speaker appointed under section 180 (1) of the Constitution by the Governor which in common parlance (not in the Constitution ) referred to as "pro-tem" Speaker is usually a senior parliamentarian or a legislator and he is expected only to "act as a Speaker" in the absence of a duly elected Speaker and Deputy Speaker for the purpose the Governor may so decide. Therefore it is obvious that his brief is limited. The decision of the current Speaker Mr Sardinha according to obviously most arbitary. But given that the Governor is a veteran and senior INC politician (from Nagaland) who has particular interests in moving back to politics if situation so demand he can hardly be expected to act as per his conscience (antagonising his High Command dictates )and annul the action of the Speaker by dismissing the Rane Government on the ground of failing to win the vote of confidence. The only next test is the Budget session which has been slated for 28th March, 2005 However until filing this report the outcome is await
[Goanet]Parrikar protests as Rane survives with Speaker's vote; Matanhy blocked
Parrikar protests as Rane survives with Speaker's vote; Matanhy blocked >From Frederick Noronha Goanet.org PANAJI (Goa), March 4: Pro-tem Speaker Francisco Sardinha salvaged the Congress government of Pratapsing Rane in the evently divided house, by giving his casting-vote in favour of the 30-day-old government. Both sides, the Congress and BJP, were tied with 16 votes each, after BJP-backing Matanhy Saldanha was disallowed to vote. Pro-tem Speaker, a Congress MLA, restrained the BJP-backing UGDP MLA Matanhy Saldanha from participating in the vote. Matanhy's party, the United Goans Democratic Party, has filed a disqualification petition against their lone remaining MLA. Prior to the Jan-end desertions from the BJP government, the UGDP supported the BJP but since changed tracks. This was the third attempted confidence vote in barely thirty days. Friday's vote was taken amidst expected pandemonium, with the BJP that has fought on bitterly putting up an angry protest in the plush new assembly situated atop a hillock at Alto Porvorim on the suburbs of state-capital Panaji. Ousted former BJP chief minister Manohar Parrikar protested the developments, calling the vote a sham, and demanded that the Rane ministry be sacked and his government be re-instated. Parrikar's government itself came into a minority in end-January 2005, after desertions finally hit his patchwork coalition. This was a foregone conclusion since May 2004, given that politics in Goa since 1990 has usually followed trends of who is in power in Delhi and which party's nominee the Goveror is. Pro-tem Speaker Sardinha moved the motion in the Rane government, after ruling that BJP-supporting Matanhy Saldanha was not entitled to vote, leading to angry BJP protests. Parrikar asked Saldanha to stand and be counted, even if the pro-tem Speaker refused to do so. Since it was tied at 16-16, pro tem Speaker Sardinha said he was using his casting vote in favour of the confidence vote. Another disqualified MLA, the Congress-backing Filipe Neri Rodrigues this morning applied for his disqualification to be reviewed. With the Speakership changing hands from the BJP to the Congress, the tables have turned in some way. But the BJP has sought to pressurise against any such move, saying a pro tem Speaker was not entitled to do so. Arguments in the Rodrigues case were inconclusive, and no decision was taken. Following the angry outcry over the Jharkhand government formation -- where a Congress government was formed inspite of the BJP having a narrow majority -- there were suggestions in the national press that Goa's Congress politicians had been adviced against controversial moves, like disqualifying Saldanha before today's vote. In under fifteen minutes, the House adjourned, with the national anthem. Outsted chief minister Parrikar protested calling the proceedings a sham. He asked for the sacking of the Rane ministry, and said that the Governor had only said that the confidence vote would be the business for the House. In addition, the pro tem Speaker had no right to bar a legislator from voting, Parrikar argued. Parrikar said he was not asking for the dissolution of the Goa assembly as of now. After being ousted from power in a state it ruled since end-1999 -- first through a defector government headed ironically by Francisco Sardinha, now pro tem speaker, and then by the BJP itself -- some BJP leaders have been pushing for dissolution of the Goa assembly. Goa's assembly has 40 seats. Five who ditched the BJP resigned from their seats (to avoid the penal provisions of the anti-defection act). One (Filipe Neri Rodrigues, backing the Congress) was disqualified by the previous BJP speaker. This leaves the House position at a precariously posed 17-17 of the 34 remaining legislators. This figure could change, depending whether there are any further disqualifications or re-qualifications, or defections as politicians shift loyalties, seeing which way the wind is now blowing. Both BJP and Congress legislators had been herded and kept in 'security' in hotels and elsewhere, the the BJP being particularly cautious in taking its flock to Jaipur and elsewhere, indicating it feared possible defections in a state where its ex-chief minister is determined to stay on in power -- or at least force for fresh elections. The national furore raised over the developments in Goa by the BJP leaders after their government fell has put the Congress on the backfoot here. (ENDS) Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org
[Goanet]Please, please Hon. Governor give Goa President's rule!
http://www.goanews.com/4mar052.htm BJP demands Rane's dismissal Sandesh Prabhudesai 4 March 2005 The Bharatiya Janata Party has demanded immediate dismissal of Pratapsing Rane government and reinstating Manohar Parrikar government. Soon after Rane won the confidence vote amidst chaos in the House, Parrikar rushed to the Raj Bhavan. "It is a similar situation when my government was dismissed on 2 February. The Governor should act in a similar manner now", said Parrikar. According to Parrikar, Speaker Francisco Sardinha had misused his position to win the trust vote by restraining United Goans Democratic Party Mathany Saldhana from voting. The protem speaker has no right to conduct any other business than moving the trust vote, he argued. Parrikar also clarified that the BJP is not demanding imposition of the President's rule but to reinstate him as the chief minister. "I can prove the majority", he reiterated. -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]NEWS: Parrikar protests as Rane survives with Speaker's vote; Matanhy blocked
Parrikar protests as Rane survives with Speaker's vote; Matanhy blocked From Frederick Noronha Goanet.org PANAJI (Goa), March 4: Pro-tem Speaker Francisco Sardinha salvaged the Congress government of Pratapsing Rane in the evently divided house, by giving his casting-vote in favour of the 30-day-old government. Both sides, the Congress and BJP, were tied with 16 votes each, after BJP-backing Matanhy Saldanha was disallowed to vote. Pro-tem Speaker, a Congress MLA, restrained the BJP-backing UGDP MLA Matanhy Saldanha from participating in the vote. Matanhy's party, the United Goans Democratic Party, has filed a disqualification petition against their lone remaining MLA. Prior to the Jan-end desertions from the BJP government, the UGDP supported the BJP but since changed tracks. This was the third attempted confidence vote in barely thirty days. Friday's vote was taken amidst expected pandemonium, with the BJP that has fought on bitterly putting up an angry protest in the plush new assembly situated atop a hillock at Alto Porvorim on the suburbs of state-capital Panaji. Ousted former BJP chief minister Manohar Parrikar protested the developments, calling the vote a sham, and demanded that the Rane ministry be sacked and his government be re-instated. Parrikar's government itself came into a minority in end-January 2005, after desertions finally hit his patchwork coalition. This was a foregone conclusion since May 2004, given that politics in Goa since 1990 has usually followed trends of who is in power in Delhi and which party's nominee the Goveror is. Pro-tem Speaker Sardinha moved the motion in the Rane government, after ruling that BJP-supporting Matanhy Saldanha was not entitled to vote, leading to angry BJP protests. Parrikar asked Saldanha to stand and be counted, even if the pro-tem Speaker refused to do so. Since it was tied at 16-16, pro tem Speaker Sardinha said he was using his casting vote in favour of the confidence vote. Another disqualified MLA, the Congress-backing Filipe Neri Rodrigues this morning applied for his disqualification to be reviewed. With the Speakership changing hands from the BJP to the Congress, the tables have turned in some way. But the BJP has sought to pressurise against any such move, saying a pro tem Speaker was not entitled to do so. Arguments in the Rodrigues case were inconclusive, and no decision was taken. Following the angry outcry over the Jharkhand government formation -- where a Congress government was formed inspite of the BJP having a narrow majority -- there were suggestions in the national press that Goa's Congress politicians had been adviced against controversial moves, like disqualifying Saldanha before today's vote. In under fifteen minutes, the House adjourned, with the national anthem. Outsted chief minister Parrikar protested calling the proceedings a sham. He asked for the sacking of the Rane ministry, and said that the Governor had only said that the confidence vote would be the business for the House. In addition, the pro tem Speaker had no right to bar a legislator from voting, Parrikar argued. Parrikar said he was not asking for the dissolution of the Goa assembly as of now. After being ousted from power in a state it ruled since end-1999 -- first through a defector government headed ironically by Francisco Sardinha, now pro tem speaker, and then by the BJP itself -- some BJP leaders have been pushing for dissolution of the Goa assembly. Goa's assembly has 40 seats. Five who ditched the BJP resigned from their seats (to avoid the penal provisions of the anti-defection act). One (Filipe Neri Rodrigues, backing the Congress) was disqualified by the previous BJP speaker. This leaves the House position at a precariously posed 17-17 of the 34 remaining legislators. This figure could change, depending whether there are any further disqualifications or re-qualifications, or defections as politicians shift loyalties, seeing which way the wind is now blowing. Both BJP and Congress legislators had been herded and kept in 'security' in hotels and elsewhere, the the BJP being particularly cautious in taking its flock to Jaipur and elsewhere, indicating it feared possible defections in a state where its ex-chief minister is determined to stay on in power -- or at least force for fresh elections. The national furore raised over the developments in Goa by the BJP leaders after their government fell has put the Congress on the backfoot here. (ENDS)
[Goanet]Rane wins trust vote! Tit for tat.
http://www.goanews.com/4mar05.htm Rane wins trust vote Sandesh Prabhudesai 4 March 2005 Chief minister Pratapsing Rane won the confidence vote by 17-16, with speaker Francisco Sardinha casting his vote after there was a tie. United Goans Democratic Party legislator Mathany Saldhana was earlier restrained from voting, by passing an ad-interim order on his disqualification petition. The proceedings ended within five minutes. The motion was put to vote amidst protests from the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party members. Your Comments Please -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]Rane govt survives trust vote in Goa
Rane govt survives trust vote in Goa http://www.ndtv.com/topstories/showtopstory.asp?slug=Rane+govt+survives+trus t+vote+in+Goa&id=16420 The Pratapsingh Rane government in Goa has survived a trust vote in the legislative assembly after Pro Tem Speaker Fransisco Saldinha cast the deciding vote. The BJP and Congress were tied at 16 votes in the Goa assembly and the Speaker restrained UGDP MLA Mathany Saldanha from voting. Saldanha had been supporting the BJP. Earlier, the BJP alleged that the Speaker, who's a Congress leader, will 'illegally' disqualify UGDP MLA Saldanha. "We know that the odds are in our favor, we know that this Speaker will not follow the law," said Rajendra Arlekar, state chief, BJP. This is the third time in one month that the Goa assembly met for a vote of confidence. There have been reports that Goa Governor S C Jamir was considering recommending a spell of President's rule in the state. forwarded by Eddie Verdes
[Goanet]"Give Me Another Caste" - special song for March
Another Caste - re-written song lyrics by Cecil Pinto (with due apologies to Steve Winwood/ Whitney Houston) [VERSE 1] Think about it There must be another caste Down in Quepem or Hidden in Pernem above Without it, life is wasted time Look inside your clan, I'll look inside mine Things look so bad everywhere In this whole world, what is fair We will walk the 'paine' And try to see Falling behind in what could be [CHORUS] Give me another caste Give me another caste Give me another caste Where's that other caste I keep thinking of [VERSE 2] Villages changing And we're just fighting on Scratching our scars And waiting for our "zonn" A yearning and it's real to me Surely there's another caste That's looking for me Things look so bad everywhere In this whole world, what is fair We will walk the "paine" And try to see Falling behind in what could be [CHORUS] Give me another caste Give me another caste Give me another caste Where's that other caste I keep thinking of [BRIDGE] I will fight for it I have a right to it Until then I'll sing my song To cheer the night along I could light the night up Set my "zonn" on fire I could change my surname From pure desire Let me feel that caste come right over me Let me feel how different it would be [CHORUS] Give me another caste Give me another caste Give me another caste Where's that other caste I keep thinking of - Original song lyrics below: Higher Love by Whitney Houston [VERSE 1] Think about it There must be higher love Down in the heart or Hidden in the stars above Without it, life is wasted time Look inside your heart, I'll look inside mine Things look so bad everywhere In this whole world, what is fair We will walk the line And try to see Falling behind in what could be [CHORUS] Bring me a higher love Bring me a higher love Bring me a higher love Where's that higher love I keep thinking of [VERSE 2] Worlds are turning And we're just hanging on Facing our fear And standing out there alone A yearning and it's real to me There must be someone Who's feeling for me Things look so bad everywhere In this whole world, what is fair We will walk the line And try to see Falling behind in what could be [CHORUS] [BRIDGE] I will wait for it I'm not too late for it Until then I'll sing my song To cheer the night along I could light the night up With my soul on fire I could make the sun shine From pure desire Let me feel that love come over me Let me feel how strong it could be
[Goanet]screw cast- show me the money!
I fully agree with Carlos. For most young Goans, the issue of cast is irrelevant. It is interesting to note that this heated discussion about nothing is primarily taking place amongst goanet's geriatric members. I say this tongue in cheek to highlight another real issue - age discrimination. I think this will be a far more significant concern in the not so very future. Marlon --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Death of the caste system. > Whether you like it or not, I feel that the caste > system will die fairly soon, whether people like it > or not. But how? If Gautama Buddha, Guru Nanak, > Ramchandra, Tulsidas and Swami Vivekanda (and > others) could not reform it or eradicate it, what > will kill it off now? The simple answer - money. > Money changes everything, never underestimate its > power.
[Goanet]Fw: [persecuted_church_of_india] AICC/AICU on the Union Budget
Dr. John Dayal Member: National Integration Council Government of India National President: All India Catholic Union (Founded 1919) Secretary General: All India Christian Council President: United Christian Action 505 Link, 18 IP Extn. Delhi 110092 India Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 91-11-22722262 Mobile 09811021072 Press Statement New Delhi 3 March 2005 Christians welcome Govt promise of White paper on minorities Budget must have funds for Christian economic empowerment The Christian community has welcomed the Union Government's promise to publish a White Paper on the status of minority communities and a comprehensive law to deal with communal violence. But the community also expects the government to have provisions in the budget for the economic empowerment of minorities, specially the Christian community, which is among the poorest of the poor. In a joint statement on behalf of the largest Laity organisation the All India Catholic Union, the inter denominational All India Christian Council, the Satyashodkah Samaj and the Delhi-based United Christian Action, Dr John Dayal has drawn the attention of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Union Finance Minister P Chidambaram to the budget silence on these issues. Dr Dayal said it was good that the budget had a large component for women and children, and a small portion of it would also benefit Christian women. But while the Budget had provisions for the advancement of Muslim youth, there was none for Christian youth. The reports of the 2001 Census and our own surveys have shown the pathetic condition of the Christian community in rural areas of several States, and particularly of Tribal and Dalit youth professing the Christian faith. The Rs 500 crore corpus of the national Minorities development fund has not devolved at all on our community. Our youth, specially Christians of Dalit origin, urgently need institutions, scholarships and support in training in entrepreneurship, self-employment and artisanship. There is also growing need for hostel to bring education to many areas. All these require infusion of state funds, apart from efforts by the community itself. Dr Dayal called upon the Union government to make provisions for these segments in the current budget. Dr Dayal quoted President Kalam's Address to parliament in which Dr Kalam had said it was not enough for "India to shine if it did not shine for all." Disclaimer : This message may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. It should not used by any one who is not the original intended recipient. If you have erroneously received this message, please delete it immediately and notify the sender. The recipient acknowledges that MOSt is unable to exercise control or ensure or guarantee the integrity of/over the contents of the information contained in e-mail transmission and further acknowledges that any views expressed in this messages are those of the individual sender and does not bind MOSt unless the sender does so expressly with due authority with MOSt. Before Opening any attachments please check them for viruses and defects.
[Goanet]News flash Rane government wins vote of confidence
The Speaker appointed under section 180 (i) of the Constitution by the Governor of Goa was exclusively directed to conduct a vote of confidence on 4th March 2004 at 1430 hrs IST. but it seems the Speaker Mr Francisco Sardinha extended his brief to hearing the petition filed by Mr Jeetendra Deshprabhu demanding the disqualification of Mr Mathany Saldanha the lone UGDP mamber supporting the BJP combine. After the hearing which went on till today the Speaker Mr Sardinha refused to permit Mr Saldanha to vote and when the House assembled for the vote at 1430 hrs IST both sides BJP 16 and INC + MGP + NCP were fifteen and the Speaker cast his vote. Mr Rane was declared as having won the vote of confidence. However the ex CM alleged that the Speaker appointed by the Governor under 180(1) extended his brief and this perogative of reviewing petition of Mr Saldanha was outside the purview of the Speaker thus appointed as the letter to the ex CM from the Governor clearly states. With a turmoil thus created the BJP MLAs have rushed to the Governors office at Dona Paula demanding the dismissal of the Rane Government for having failed to win the vote of Confidence. And as the battle of wits continues there is more to come from the Dona Paula end from the Porvorim end GODFREY J I GONSALVES BORDA MARGAO GOA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony
Re: [Goanet]Secret of LCC JetBlue's Success
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:21:28 +0530, Philip Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: . connectivity by > road, rail and perhaps even air between Dabolim and Mopa should be steadily > improved to enable all the people of Goa to benefit from the State's > aviation infrastructure. Comment: Connectivity by...air between Dabolim and Mopa shold be steadily improved ? Even in our so called affluent World here in the U.K. we do not take a flight, between say Gatwick and Heathrow! You are perceiving that Goa and Goans or visitors to Goa will shortly be moving into the maga rich bracket! Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London - England.
Re: [Goanet]Goanet News Bytes * March 03-04, 2005 * Matanhy faces disqualification, session today
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 06:19:29 +0530, Goanet News Service <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: an/listinfo/goanet-news To subscribe > o UGDP Matanhy Saldanha's disqualification case comes up Friday, Mar 04. RESPONSE: The Governor has thrown a spanner in the works - only a floor test - nothing else! > o Whips have been issued by the UGDP asking its lone MLA, > Matanhy Saldanha, to back the confidence vote. > o Tight security expected in the Goa assembly. Buses and mini-buses RESPONSE: Whip can be instituted - Matanhy does not have to follow. He can be expelled from UGDP but in my opinion he cannot be thrown out of the House. > o Crucial paper from Filipe Neri's disqualification file missing, > says Sardinha. RESPONSE: There will be no crucial paper forthcoming. The perpetrators of the forgery will not want to produce evidence implicating themselves. GOMANTAK TIMES TELLS IT BLUNTLY: Virtually minutes after former > Speaker Vishwas Satarkar read out his resignation from a clumsy > handwritten note and adjourned the Goa Assembly sine die, he > quietly took home with him a sensitive and crucial file on which > the future of the Rane-led government hinges -- the deputy chief > minister Felipe Neri Rodrigues' disqualification case. > > It now transpired that Satarkar kept this file with him for close > to 44 hours after he ceased to be the Speaker. It was only after > his successor, interim Speaker Francisco Sardinha announced that > the file was missing and a police complaint was lodged that > Satarkar rushed to the Assembly on Wednesday morning and returned > the file to Secretary (Legislature) S B Narvekar.(GT) RESPONSE: Yes but minus the crucial original form that Neri is alleged to have signed! What a diabolical situation, reducing the status of the Speaker to the lowest of the lows! > o Satarkar returns Filipe Neri's file; crucial membership > form carrying the allegedly forged signature of Rodrigues > is missing. Satarkar returned the file to the legsiature > secretary Sudin Narvekar, and the latter communicated to > the Porvorim police that the file had been found. Satarkar > told the media he had kept the file with him for the last > 15 days "to keep it very safe". (NT) RESPONSE: What happened to the original form for BJP membership - did he not keep that very safe? Seeing that was the central document with regard to Neri's expulsion. Comment: It now appears highly likely that Goa is heading for President's rule. Eventually the Congress will come through. Jitendra Deshprabhu should be installed as C.M. He is the most Loyal of the Congress lot and Goa needs someone new at the helm. The People of Goa should by now realise that even though the BJP may have performed, it is only after a proper audit that the true facts will be known. Also the people will realise the favouritism doled out by the BJP, wherein they installed their own people in all strata of Government Administration. Time to correct these anomalies! cheers, Gabe Menezes. Wimbledon, England.
[Goanet]President's Rule!
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1266223,000900040002.htm Pro-tem speaker should conduct only confidence vote: Jamir Ahead of the crucial trial of strength in Goa, Governor SC Jamir has made it clear that the pro tem speaker should only conduct the business of motion of the vote of confidence to be moved by Chief Minister Pratapsinh Rane. "Only following business be considered and dealt with by the House, in its session summoned by him (the Governor) to be held at 2.30 pm on March 4 -- motion seeking vote of confidence by Chief Minister Pratapsinh Rane," secretary to Jamir said in a letter written to former Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar on Friday. Parrikar, in a letter to the Governor, had questioned the jurisdiction of a pro tem speaker on entertaining any disqualification petitions, BJP leaders said. Sardinha was to hear the disqualification petition moved by a Congress MLA against UGDP legislator Mathany Saldanha. Ruling Congress has the support of 16 members, excluding pro tem Speaker Sardinha, in a House with an effective strength of 34 while opposition BJP has 17 MLAs behind it. If Saldanha is disqualified or barred from voting, it would mean the strength of BJP benches is reduced to 16 and at par with Congress and Sardinha belonging to Congress can see the ruling party through with his casting vote. Independent MLA and former Deputy Chief Minister Filipe Neri Rodrigues, who was disqualified by former Speaker Vishwas Satarkar, has approached Sardinha for certified copies of the order of his disqualification and is likely to approach the High Court for relief. Comment: It should be pointed out that when the BJP was in power - they were told that the only business to be conducted was a floor test. They abused their directive and the Speaker expelled Neri! -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]ADVANCE ALERT: Speaker's casting vote saves Rane government in Goa
SPEAKER'S CASTING VOTE SAVES RANE GOVERNMENT IN GOA From Frederick Noronha Goanet.org Pro-tem Speaker Francisco Sardinha salvaged the Congress government of Pratapsing Rane in the evently divided house, by giving his casting-vote in favour of the 30-day-old government. Earlier, the pro-tem Speaker, a Congress MLA, restrained UGDP MLA Matanhy Saldanha from participating in the vote. Matanhy's party, the United Goans Democratic Party, has filed a disqualification petition against their lone remaining MLA. Earlier, the UGDP supported the BJP government, but now supports the Congress-led coalition. This was the third attempted confidence vote in barely thirty days. In hardly 20 minutes after meeting for the 14:30 IST session, the proceedings were over. Ousted BJP chief minister Manohar Parrikar who lost his majority in assembly called the proceedings a sham, and asked for the sacking of the Rane ministry. He argued that a pro-tem Speaker had no right to take up a disqualification petition (against Saldanha). Details follow...
[Goanet]Sorry tying error in timing _ Women's Day invite reposted with correct time
Dear Friends, You are aware that for the last eighteen years we have been commemorating International Women's Day on of around 8th March with various kinds of programmes which are both a sharing and learning process about the rights, concerns and struggles of women where emerging concerns and demands are consolidated. It was on 8th March many summers ago that working women went to town with a demand for just and proper wages under the leadership of Clara Zetkin. Till today, women are yearning for justice, for freedom, for their voices to be heard. Women have been articulating their own visions, chalking their own paths. Women have a right to participate in deciding the course of their lives. Women's struggles are also linked to struggles of various other marginalized sections of society. So come another International Women's Day and let us meet again to talk about our struggles, our visions, our demands.Yes, about our steps, our paths. We begin with a rally which will commence at 2.30 p.m. on 7th March from Ambedkar Garden, near KTC Bus stand at Panaji and converge at Azad Maidan where there will be a variety programme. Looking forward to meeting you. Yours sincerely, for Bailancho Saad
