date:20050521

Jose,

I really appreciate your feelings on the matters you raise. I can't go into 
the many issues you point to for now but the latest school conundrum seems 
to be an absolute nonsense from where I stand.

Many thanks,
Cornel

[Goanet]Is there another Konkani?

2005-05-21 Thread Cecil Pinto

http://adaniel.tripod.com/Languages1.htm

'Another language named after its region is Konkani spoken in Goa and 
named as such because of the Konkan coast. To the north of Goa in the 
Konkan coast of Maharashtra there is another 'Konkani' language which is 
considered a dialect derived from the Marathi language and is different 
from Goa's Konkani language'

[Goanet]Hindu Gods

2005-05-21 Thread afra dias

Dear Goans,
As Indians we all should read the Vedas and the Vedantas.
It has nothing to do with Religion.

Ganesh is the god of numbers therefore planet Mercury is Ganesh.
Vishnu is also named after Mercury, pick ur choice.
Lakshimi is the godess of love, planet Venus is named after Lakshimi
Brahma is the Saviour of the world (some say creator) planet Jupiter is the 
Brahma to the Hindus. In fact Jupiter IS the saviour of the world it attracts 
all the Comets and debris flying about. Without Jupiter we world would not 
exist today.
Moon is god Chandra (male). Without the Moon we would not have seasons

These are not Gods just 'gods' therefore not a Hindu Religion, if the Indians 
want to believe in it, its their choice. 
Man is born to believe in something.

Now we have got a German, who knows nothing about the third world, as our 
Pope. We got 'God's Banker' murdered,(did not commit suicide) in London. We 
got Pope who was cremated, no Pope ever got cremated, EVER.

Do not pick holes in other people's beliefs.
Regards,
Afra Dias.

Gabe Menezes said:
RESPONSE: Thanks for the enlightenment; please inform me, in the Hindu
Religion do you have many Gods? Is there one  Chief God and lesser
Gods? I attended a wedding in Toronto and the Priest was supposed to
be from the Kali temple. Is Kali a fierce Goddess, she was depicted as
such.

That aside it is to the credit of the Beer company, they immediately
withdrew the commercial, as it offended the religious sentiments of
the Hindus. They sought no justification, just withdrew
unquestionably. Compare this with Shri Manohar Parrikar, who wanted to
know what aspects of his, not too old, DVD did the Catholics feel
offended about!
cheers.
Gabe Menezes.
London England.

[Goanet]Re: No conflict between Science and Bible???

2005-05-21 Thread Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza

--- Kevin Saldanha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Christian fundamentalist movement has been bolstered by the
current political climate to attempt to confuse school
children with a false impression that the 'Intelligent
Design' Theory (newspeak for Creationism) is a valid
alternative to the Fact of Evolution.  
  
--Mario replies:
  There are some issues that real and faux scientists cannot get away from, 
notwithstanding the work of Stephen Hawking and the
staunch defense thrown up by some on Goanet and
elsewhere.
a) Intelligent Design Theory is not newspeak for
Creationism, because it acknowledges the obvious
science on evolution, but believes a superior being
was responsible for starting the evolutionary process,
and because they believe that DNA is far too complex
to have just evolved.

b) The theory that time began with the Big Bang cannot
be proven conclusively by science, according to many
reputable and open minded scientists...

c) Intelligent Design cannot be conclusively proven
either since it's evidence is circumstantial.

   *--Well done, Mario! Creationism cannot be accepted. Creation is a 
theological concept, not a scientific theory. The Universe is not eternal, it 
had a beginning. Science alone cannot explain how it began. Space and time 
came through the power of the Super-power, GOD.

Ivo da C.Souza

[Goanet]Enquiry about caste...

2005-05-21 Thread gilbertlaw

GL responds
Thanks Fred for you lucid description of Mharvaddo. I do have a few questions 
which I would appreciate any answers:

1. Is Mharvaddo, a defined region / area in the village as we have in the 
west the other side of the tracks?
2. In your village of Saligao how many residents (%) are there in Mharvaddo?
3. Thanks for mentioning they are not a religious outcaste. i.e. they can kneel 
anywhere in the Church.
4. You mentioned about their social outcaste status. Did you ever invite them 
to your personal social functions including your wedding or your child's 
baptism etc?
5. I am sure you also invited them for one of the many social functions you 
have in you home through the year, where they can intermingle with your family 
and the other members of the community, and are no longer a social outcaste.
6. If the answer to 4 and 5 is yes, what was the reaction of the other guests?
7. If a resident of Mharvaddo, Saligao goes to Panaji, Margao or Maphsa, would 
his social status be recognized from his name?

Thanks in anticipation for your response. 
Regards, GL

Frederick Noronha 
Firstly, you might be aware that every village has its Mharvaddo, which is 
almost always located at one extreme of the village. In Saligao, given the 
derrogatory connotations the word has, the name was sought to be adapted -- 
amidst some reluctance from those who don't feel the pinch -- to Bairo Alto. 
Many predominantly Catholic (or once-Catholic) villages have this kind of a 
reality.

The Mhars are an aboriginal group with extremely low social status, and my 
friend Dadu Mandrekar (whom I mentioned some while back, in the context of 
digital photography) is a community leader. While their network is predominantly
 made up of Hindu Mhars, they try to network with the Catholic Mhars, who share 
many but not all of the social problems.

Because of the so-called unclean work that communities like the Mahars (
basket-weavers) and Chamars (leather workers) do, they fall in the Dalit or '
Scheduled Caste' status. While I do not know of Christian chamars (the leather 
workers and cobblers have tended to be Hindu), there definitely are Catholic 
Dalits in the form of Mhars.

So, you could say that there is a 'social untouchability' if not  a 'ritual' 
one.) Just because the religion doesn't accept concepts of ' uncleanliness' 
does not mean that people who have lived with the caste ideology for 
generations will not suffer biases after a change of their religion! Social 
apartheid does continue to exist, among Catholics too.

[Goanet]Re: False assertions

--- Joe Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Freedom of speech must not be (liberally) taken as freedom to abuse.  
 Right thinking and
 sensible individuals do NOT abuse other peoples faith, religion or religious 
 beliefs. 

I have never abused other people's faith. Please do not mischaracterize my 
views. I have always
offered fact-based arguments. If you do not like the facts tell the Vatican, 
they are responsible
for the facts. They 'create' the facts - elect Popes, make saints who are 
mostly European.  The
fact of pedophile priests is not my creation. I offer my opinions. If you do 
not like them, offer
your own but quit the name-calling, personal attacks, etc. 

 Also, God being male or female has any bearing on your religion?  You seem to 
 be deliberately 
 making this a sexist (Catholic/Church) issue, as evident through your 
 inference and implication.
 It is hard to believe you could not decipher if your God is male or female 
 (Father or Mother)
 and needed to question it on this forum.

You either did not read or understand Fr. Ivos response.  Bases on some 
comments, I am certain
many on this forum did not associate mother/female with a Catholic God till Fr. 
Ivo pointed it
out.  Do you agree with Fr. Ivo's response or do you think Goa should be 
referred to as only
Father?

 You cannot always be right, and others always wrong.  Please remember that!

You are right, I am wrong.  Happy?

Regards,
George

[Goanet]Goanet News Bytes * May 21, 2005 * Dempo is national league champs!

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IN TODAY'S EZINE: Finally, a team from Goa wins the national football
league! A cleanup in Moira... liquor in the 'lections... report from
Poinguinim... and a film-maker of Goan origin puts out his work at San
Francisco on Sunday... Remembering 'Citizen' Hugo and Dr Raghunath
'Germania' Shirodkar. 

GOAN CLUB WINS NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE: Dempo bagged the
prestigious tournament, making soccer history for this small
state, and winning a title that has remained in Bengal for 
seven out of the past eight encounters. Vasco stun East 
Bengal 3-1, finished the league in the 10th position, and
helped Dempo to win the title. Sporting Clube de Goa, which
was seen as having the best chance of winning, lost its
match unexpectedly to Mahindra. e details at:
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2005-May/028702.html
And http://www.vascoclub.com

Quote from a Vasco report: The Vasco victory at the Tilak Maidan,
Vasco, Goa was a romantic ending to a campaign that started with
grief of loss of beloved Cristiano Junior. And today Dempo played
with what coach Armando Colaco described as divine help from
Cristiano Junior to outclass Tollygunge Aggragami 2-0 and lift
their maiden National League title.

--

HEADLINE IN THE INDIAN EXPRESS: 'Beer spurs the great Goan
election race'. Bypolls: Rich candidates ply voters with free
liquor, use folk theatre to lampoon rivals. (Headline for
a report by Raju Nayak, Indian Express)

--

FIFTY-PLUS VOLUNTEERS TO launch a clean-up of Moira village
on May 21. They came together in response to a call to tackle
the garbage issue, by the Goa Environmental Soclutions Private
Ltd and the Eco Club of Moira. Though I am only a teenager, I 
am very concerned about the future of Moira, says Ryan D'Mello,
a local youth, one of those closely involved. The
Dominicans, panchayat members, comunidade and others have
got involved in the campaign too. (H)

o Congress mocks BJP for Advani's criticism of destabilisers.
  The BJP itself came to power in Goa by destabilisation
  and defections, the Congress points out in a press conference.
o Water-logging likely in Panjim during monsoons, says mayor. (NT)
  Mayor Ashok Naik blames the 'administration' for the slow pace of work. 
o Keep defectors out, BJP former dy PM Advani tells voters in Margao. (NT)
o Election Commissioner N Gopalaswami arrives in Goa. (NT)
o Election officials breathe down candidates' neck; demand declaration
  on poll vehicles. (H)
o Once struggling to find a candidate, BJP bounces back in Margao. (H)
o Vote for Nirmala will boost BJP's prospects, says Luizinho. (H)
o Voters in favour of BJP, says Shirpad. (H)

POINGUINIM, GOA's 40TH assembly constituency, limps to the second
election forced upon it in less than eight months (with the local
MLA Isidore Fernandes changing sides twice in that period -- from
Congress to BJP and back to Congress). The aboriginal Velip
community has a strength of 5,500 in this constituency of 14,614. 
BJP candidate Ramesh Tawadker is a Velip from this rustic
constituency.  Joaquim Fernandes writes in the Navhind Times: The
biggest issue in Poinguinim after unemployment is water. Problems of
acute water shortage haunt the constituency, right from Mashem to
Gaondongrim.  Roads are bad and electricity is poor. There are no
industries here at all. Also, the virgin beaches of Galgibaga-
Talpona, and the rustic hilly charms of Gaondongrim-Cotigao remain
unexplored for tourism. There has been a long-held demand for the
construction of two bridges at Talpona and Galgibag that will reduce
travelling distance to Margao by 10 kilometres. (NT)

UNIVERSITY OF PUNE extends its last date for admission to its MSc, MA, BA,
diploma and BSc

Re: [Goanet]Re: Santoshbab ani Caste


Jose,
I can't wait for the snippets you will add to your material on caste and 
related matters. I will particularly wait, with great expectancy, for that 
very intriguing vignette from Teotonio de Souza of Lisbon which you 
promise. Indeed, I may have something to add too on this specific issue.


Further, thanks for your confirmation regarding my hunch re Santosh and his 
anti-caste position.

Regards,
Cornel
- Original Message - 
From: jose colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: goanet@goanet.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 1:28 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Re: Santoshbab ani Caste


cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I think that Santosh also came 
out against caste but I have not got the time to check this out for now.


Once again.for the recordDr. Santosh Helekar has been one of the 
strongest opposers of the Caste Apologists. His scientific angle to the 
debate is captured at http://www.colaco.net/1/caste.htm


For those who do not know, one of the biggest incentives for any research 
into the Caste System was that Rt Wing Hindu idealogue Ashok Chowgule. The 
constant anti Pope John Paul II, Mother Teresa and SFX tirade gave me 
enough incentive to write that article. Sometime soon, I will add snippets 
from the presently occuring debate  ESP that very intriguing vignette from 
Teotonio de Souza of Lisbon.


good wishes

jc

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[Goanet]Full day school...

2005-05-21 Thread Frederick Noronha (FN)

I think the comments on the full-day school issue could well be premature, 
since a decision on this doesn't seem to have yet been taken. While Percy 
has his right to his views, the fact of the matter remains that this is a 
widely-debated issue. Some educationists are in favour of this full-day 
school, while the teachers' lobby might have the most to loose.


The issue is not cut-and-dry as made out to be. As far as I know, as a 
parent of a student in school in Goa, there is no move to implement 
full-day classes immediately. So where's the question of blaming the 
governor? Schools start in Goa on June 6, and in all probability a 
decision on this would be taken later by an elected government.


(Needless to say, not all decisions taken by elected governments are sound 
ones. Today, whether its the Congress or the BJP, every party seems to be 
going out of its way to justify the further bloating of Goa's 
already-bloated bureaucracy -- of course, there are votes at stake here. 
When it comes to issues like the computer teachers, no party is willing to 
ask whether any corruption or dubious decision was involved in hiring the 
firm that paid the teachers a pittance... and the teachers now are asking 
to be absorbed as government-aided or government employees!)


In the case of full-day schooling, the issue needs to be decided by 
educationists. As of now, schools in Goa are used from approx 8 am to 1 
pm, and are kept empty for much of the rest of the day -- a collosal waste 
of resources which a society like ours can hardly afford.


Teachers have got involved in a whole range of side businesses -- from 
being insurance agents, to be part-time journalists -- not that this is 
bad in itself, but their prime commitment should be to teaching. Of 
course, there are a number of good and committed teachers, but their ranks 
seem to be declining; much like that of committed persons in other 
careers.


Education needs to be student-centric; and decisions need not be made on 
the basis of how these affect the teachers, educators, parents, etc. Do we 
have our students interest in mind? Just the other day, an educator was 
lamenting the way in which the Goan student has, in many cases, become 
unable to face competition. Even over the CET (Common Entrance Test) 
issue, politicians are quick to take the populist/easy way out.


Apparently, in Goa, a whole lot of the syllabus has been continually 
deleted, to make it easier and ensure a higher pass percentage -- after 
all, teachers have to be kept in jobs. But what is the impact of such a 
policy when it comes to the competitiveness of students? FN

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RE: [Goanet]USSR unfriendly?


From: Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Bosco,

I don't [?Think] the USSR was ever perceived as an 'unfriendly' country by 
India. Why do you call it unfriendly? Was the USSR considered unfriendly by 
Canada?


Cecil

===

Is the same USSR which entraped Indian diplomats and military 'attaches' 
with the help of Ruskie chicks (read KGB agents) and then blackmailed them 
into photographing Indian trade secrets?


Is this the same USSR which dragged India into the quagmire of regressive 
Socialist inertia?


Is this the same USSR that sold India suboptimal technology (for want of a 
better of a better word)?


Is this the same USSR which fought for democracy and against Imperialism 
around the world but kept the various Soviet Gulags and Cuba as its 
colonies (read place to suppress Freedom)?


Is this the same USSR which cracked wide open?

A friend? ...give me a break!

Chains with weights tied round the feet is more like it.

No wonder the mindset of Indians ... is that Andaman is still Indian!

Bravo!  I say to those who are still Commie-ized

jc

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Re: [Goanet] A wonderful message by George Carlin

2005-05-21 Thread Santosh Helekar

--- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 George Carlin did not write the message, Bob
 Moorehead did.


Actually, what George Carlin said about it is more
interesting and spicy! Absolutely vintage Carlin! Here
it is:

PARADOX OF OUR TIME

by George Carlin

One of the more embarrassing items making the
internet/e-mail rounds is a sappy load of sh*t called
The Paradox of Our Time. The main problem I have
with it is that as true as some of the expressed
sentiments may be, who really gives a sh*t? Certainly
not me.

I figured out years ago that the human species is
totally f*cked and has been for a long time. I also
know that the sick, media-consumer culture in America
continues to make this so-called problem worse. But
the trick, folks, is not to give a f*ck. Like me. I
really don't care. I stopped worrying about all this
temporal bullsh*t a long time ago. It's meaningless.
(See the preface of Braindroppings.)

Another problem I have with Paradox is that the
ideas are all expressed in a sort of pseudo-spiritual,
New-Age-y, Gee-whiz-can't-we-do-better-than-this
tone of voice. It's not only bad prose and poetry,
it's weak philosophy. I hope I never sound like that.

Cheers,

Santosh

[Goanet]Goan Filmmaker: Jason DaSilva, film May 22 in SFO

LEST WE FORGET
Sunday, May 22 8:00 p.m.
Tickets: $5

Address: Artists' Television Access (http://www.atasite.org/)
992 Valencia Street (and 21st St)
San Francisco, CA

Director: Jason DaSilva
English and Urdu, subtitled, 57 min
Followed by discussion with Reverend John Oda and Attorney Banafsheh Akhlaghi

Through a critical lens, LEST WE FORGET explores a lesson that history has 
forgotten. Filmmaker
Jason DaSilva illustrates the parallels between the experiences of the Arab and 
Muslim population
in post 9/11 America and those of the Japanese population living in the United 
States during the
Second World War. This documentary examines events following the tragedy of 
9/11, investigating
how extensive domestic security measures can cross the line into unjust 
treatment of innocent
people. The film presents a variety of voices from those who have felt the 
severity of wartime
racism in America.

Followed by a discussion with:
- Reverend John Oda from the Pine Methodist Church in San Francisco's 
Japantown, who acted quickly
in solidarity to assist a SF Mosque rebuild after a post 9/11 hate crime.

- Banafsheh Akhlaghi, Attorney from the National Legal Sanctuary for Community 
Advancement
(NLSCA), serving to represent individuals detained since 9/11.

[Goanet]Re: A wonderful message by George Carlin

2005-05-21 Thread The People's Club - VASCO SPORTS CLUB

Cynthia, 

George Carlin did not write the message, Bob Moorehead did.  See
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/paradox.asp#carlin

Regards,
George



--- Cynthia Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 A wonderful message by George Carlin
 
 George Carlin's wife recently passed away. The gross and mouthy comedian
 of the 70's and 80's has written something very eloquent... and so very
 appropriate for these times.

[Goanet]Vasco stun East Bengal, Dempo win 9th NFL






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21st May 2005

Vasco stun East Bengal 3-1, finish the league in the 10th position.

Inspired by Anthony Pereira's double along with excellent performance by 
Brazilian striker Flavio, Vasco stunned East Bengal 3-1. 

Vasco took the lead in the 22nd minute when Pereira scored from a goalmouth 
melee. Following a corner, the ball fell into the box, with a number of players 
standing near. In the confusion, Anthony reached the ball before East Bengal 
defenders Selwyn Fernandes and Debjit Ghosh and lobbed it into the net, giving 
no chance to custodian Sangram Mukherjee.

And as the young Vasco side grew in confidence..



DEMPO SPORTS CLUB wins the 9th ONGC Cup National Football League. The victory 
at the Tilak Maidan, Vasco, Goa was a romantic ending to a campaign that 
started with grief of loss of beloved Cristiano Junior. And today Dempo played 
with what coach Armando Colaco described as 'divine help from Cristiano Junior' 
to outclass Tollygunge Aggragami 2-0 and lift their maiden National League 
title...


full report at :  http://www.vascoclub.com



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Re: [Goanet]NEWS: Dara Singh to move Supreme Court for full acquittal

On 21/05/05, Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 DARA TO MOVE SC FOR FULL ACQUITTAL
 Source:
 Dara Singh, the main accused in Staines murder case, on Thursday said he 
 would move the Supreme Court for a full acquittal. Reacting to this, CBI 
 counsel Suryakanta Padhi said, A decision on moving SC would be taken at the 
 appropriate level. Elaborating on the order, the court said, The 
 eyewitnesses never attributed any particular fatal injury to appellant Dara 
 Singh for which he can be individually held responsible for the death of the 
 three deceased persons or for the death of any of them. Evidence against all 
 the participants - including Dara Singh - being of identical nature, they 
 were all equally responsible for the three murders.

RESPONSE: In a month of Sundays, there was no strong chance for a
conviction. As it stands the Court ostensibly is going evidence.

Not a good day for justice and certainly not a good day of India and Indians.

cheers.
Gabe Menezes.
London England.

[Goanet]Re: Floriano Lobo

Samir and all,

I just spoke to Floriano and requested him to post something on how cybergoans 
can help. I think
he will do so soon.  He seemed upbeat and has scheduled a number of campaign 
events and has
received good support. I wish him well in the upcoming elections.  Goa needs 
good, clean,
effective politicans committed to the people.

P.S. My support for Floriano is at a personal level, and is not the official or 
unofficial views
of any Goan organization I am associated with. These organizations, by law, 
have to be
non-political.  Just mentioning this, in case some confusion arose

Regards,
George 


--- samir_kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does anyone has Floriano's phone number?
 
 I suggest we raise some funds for Floriano.
 I am committing a sum of Rs. 5000/- here.
 
 He seems to be against Monseratte, who is known for his muscle power, money 
 power
 and the infamous Miramar sex scandal. I cannot but admire Floriano's guts for 
 taking
 Monseratte on.
 
 I am myself planning to go to Goa coming weekend to campaign for Floriano.
 
 It is  not going to be easy for Floriano, but
 this is the best thing Floriano could have done.
 
 Jai Hind!
 
 samir kelekar

 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Dear all,
  
  I was thrilled to see Floriano (Goa Su-Raj) is a candidate in the upcoming 
  election.

[Goanet]Support Floriano Lobo to defeat Monserrate

2005-05-21 Thread graceful

I read in Goan Observer that Floriano is taking on
the muscle power man, sex-scandalist, money power man 
Monserrate from Taleigaon.

This deserves all the support. All Goa netters who care
about Goa should dip into their pockets and support Floriano.

If there is one need in Goa today, it is to defeat the mercenary
Monserrate.

I am committing a sum of Rs. 5000/-. As also, I am planning to visit
Goa coming weekend to campaign for Floriano.

Let us ensure Floriano wins.

Jai Hind!

samir

[Goanet]Goanet News Bytes * May 20, 2005 * Tiatrists in Benaulim poll

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IN TODAY'S EZINE: Politics throws up a story of how tiatrists, the
traditional dramatists of the Konkani stage, take sides and work out
strategies at the Benaulim bye-elections. A special crab curry feature from
Sri Lanka comes your way too. 

o 22 candidates left in fray for June 2 bye-elections. (NT)
o Pratapsing Rane seeks probe into IFFI-related works. (NT)
o Computer teachers hold protest in Panjim. (NT)
o One computer teacher hurt in lathi-charge. (GT)
o Development issues heat up in Margao poll battle. (NT)
o People want BJP to rule again, says Parrikar. (GT)
o Herald to organise a careers exhibition, May 21-22, Kala Academy.

CONGRESS SEES PMC ISSUES AS A CONSPIRACY AGAINST MONSERRATE: Congress
demands Corporation of the City of Panjim be dissolved, alleging that
political conspiracies are being hatched there (to create controversy over
Taleigao Congress candidate Monserrate). 

LIQUOR BRANDS COME UNDER EXCISE SCANNER: Officials are keeping a close watch
on the sale of some top brands of liquor and Belo beer, even as two
distilleries were raided in Canacona in a drive to check for irregularities
and tax evasion.(H) It's probably no coincidence that some of the
proprietors of these companies are contesting the forthcoming elections --
and this time as candidates of non-Congress parties.

TIATRISTS SET STAGE FOR BENAULIM BYE-POLL: Popular Roseferns and noted
comedian Ben Evangelisto share the dias with Mickky Pacheco at NCP meetings.
Well-known tiatrist Menino de Bandar is often seen on the UGDP platform,
supporting Monte Cruz. BJP's candidate is Premanand Lotlikar, himself a
noted tiatrist. UGDP has gone ahead and come out with an audio cassette
titled 'Don Tarker Don Panam', (Two Leaves on June 2, the former being the
party symbol) with songs sung by Lorna, Fatima, Anil Kumar and others.
Guilherme Almeida in Herald

THIS IS BABUSH MONSERRATE'S TALEIGAO CONSTITUENCY: Driving from Tambdi Mati
down the main road to the Taleigao market, the only obvious signs one sees
of a bye-poll are the streams of Congress flags dangling from every mango,
coconut and guava tree. (Reuven Proenca in GT)

-
DEATHS  OBITUARIES
-

ALTO PORVORIM: Vasant V Chodanker, Yashodha Niwas. 

CHORAO: Anselmo Rodrigues. Husband of Estefania, father of Trema. 

ST INEZ: Claudina Mascarenhas D'Melo. Wife of late Carlos, mother/in-law of
Aida/Manuel Fernandes, Albert/Delima and Michael/Cynthia. 

-
GOA SPORTS
-

DEMPO COACH Armando Colaco is doing his bit in keeping
the confidence in his team intact. We are not out of
the title race (for the national football league), he says. (H)

SPORTING CLUBE DE GOA'S midfielder Joseph Pereira has been
voted the best player of the 9th National Football League by the
Sports Journalist' Association of Goa. (H)

o Calangute Association, hosts, overshadowed Candolim SC 4-0 in the
  panchayat cup at Poriat Grounds. (H)
o Salcete Veterans thrashed Bardez 3-0 in the Diogo Vaz Veterans
  football organised by Don Bosco Past Pupils Association, at Panjim.(H)
o Curtorim Gym beat St Jose de Areal 3-1 to enter semis of Gloria Soccer.H
o Don Bosco Oratory Fatorda moved in the last eight of the Ambelim
  Panchayat Cup at Ambelim, trouncing Rossman Cruz SC Verna by 3-0. (H)
o Goa United Sports Academy Calangute ran over Cunchelim Union 9-0
  in the Air India GFA's Under-16, at Duler Grounds. (H)
o Hosts Nerul SC beat Penha de Franca by 1-0 at the Nerul Panchayat Cup.(H)
o Vasco SC held Sporting Clube de Goa 1-1 in the inaugural of the
  ONGC Under-19 National Football League. (H)
o Desportivo Boys, Goa Velha defeated Utorda Oll Boys 6-4 in the
  tiebreaker, moving into the quarters of the CM Soccer, Agassiam. (H)
o Friends XI Vaddem beat Rossman Cruz Nagoa 1-0 at Sanquelim. (H)

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CULINARY CORNER * Served special for Goanet, from Daisy Rodrigues, Calif.

[Goanet]Re: Silence and Vision

2005-05-21 Thread Bosco - Goanet Volunteer

Hi Cecil,

Some responses

 Cecil:
 I have read and re-read Fred's original statement. I still believe he is 
 referring to GoaNet being run as a 'benevolent dicatorship' and not just 
 Cyber Matrimonials. But Bosco how come you have decided that Fred's 
 statement is being misconstrued? Can't the normally verbose Fred speak for 
 himself and clarify? His silence is totally uncharacteristic.

RESPONSE: You are free to intepret any and all posts as you like and you are 
free to make an opinion. On behalf of Goanet Admin, I have done the same.

 Cecil:
 Well said. So can I assume that Fred's statement about the 'benevolent 
 dictatorship' is not shared by the other Admin Team Members? Or is it?

RESPONSE: Once again, I have said what I had to. Everybody is free to form 
their own opinion. I don't see anything ambiguous with what I have said.

 Cecil:
 I agree. One can't please everyone. And specially when one has a 'vision', 
 as Fred stated. Which, incidentally is a query that you skirted Bosco. What 
 is this vision? Whose vision is it? Shouldn't the subscribers know?

RESPONSE: I'm sorry if I have given you that impression as that was not my 
intent. I have no intention to skirt anything. I have no idea what is 
this vision that you are trying to figure out. Whatever Goanet Admin have 
had to say, is shared publicly. You will find those messages in Goanet 
Archives. Most of them have come from Herman Carneiro.

 Cecil:
 That is illogical! Every country has a constitution which is much more 
 comprehensive than the GoaNet guidelines. But still we have the Police and 
 the Judiciary because of various ways of interpreting the Law, and 
 subsequent conflicts.

RESPONSE: You are right - every country does have a constitution but Goanet is 
not a country. Did you say illogical ??

 Cecil:
 To the best of my knowledge membership and participation in GoaNet was not 
 restricted to Goans only. Have the rules been changed?

RESPONSE: Read Goanet Rules and Regulations to find out. And read my paragraph 
to which you responded above again. I have not seen any abrasive posts from 
Non-Goans on Goanet. I specifically addressed that to us, Goans, irrespective 
whether we nationals of India, Portugal, Canada, US, etc

 Cecil:
 Agreed. And also if there is a 'vision' that the Admin Team is working 
 towards then it should be shared so we do not work at cross purposes. And 
 Fred should clarify what he meant (as an individual or as a Admin Team 
 Member) instead of asking others to interpret his statements.

RESPONSE: I've addressed this above but I'd like to add, if there are any 
Goanetters out there with ideas and suggestions for Goanet, Goanet Admin would 
delighted to hear them. Drop a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or drop a 
personal note to any of us individually.

 Best wishes - Cecil
 Subscriber and Curmudgeon

RESPONSE: I don't think of you as a curmudgeon and I don't believe any others 
do. Don't be hard on yourself. You're a Goenkar in the pursuit 
of information!! 

 (This is my second sending of this post as it did not appear earlier)

RESPONSE: I'm glad you re-sent it before another conspiracy theory was 
suggested. As Fred mentioned sometime last week, we had a problem while 
dealing with another internet-related issue and asked everybody who had sent 
messages to re-send them.

Best wishes - Bosco
Goanet Admin

[Goanet]Floriano Lobo

Dear all,

I was thrilled to see Floriano (Goa Su-Raj) is a candidate in the upcoming 
election.  I have known
him for about 5 years now (since the party's founding).  Given the current 
challenges to democracy
in Goa (communalism, corruption, casteism - the 3 C's), I hope he wins. It 
would be a breath of
fresh air and his oratorical style will serve the Assembly well.  I cannot vote 
in Goa but if I
could, Floriano gets my vote.

Regards,
George

RE: [Goanet]Free Seed.

2005-05-21 Thread Alfred de Tavares

From: eric pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org
To: GOA2 goanet@goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet]Free  Seed.
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:02:17 -0700 (PDT)

Fruit/Veggies -  sign up here.   Eric.

Sign up where, dear Eric?

Your solicitation brings to mind a huge intriguing billboard
that used to be displayed, on the Bombay skyline with tthe slogan:

Ring before you dig, followed with a tel. nr.

I believe the good George Menezes wishing to plant a papapya
tree in his Chembur garden, dutifully (as has always been his wont),
rang the number, got the American consulate and duly reported:

I am about to dig...

and was told, good for you...

I don't remember who hung up , nor the fate of the sapling.

A de T.

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[Goanet]USSR unfriendly?

2005-05-21 Thread Cecil Pinto


Bosco D'Mello wrote:
First off I don't buy Mario's assertion that he refers to Canada as
Canuckistan affectionately because he has not had a single good thing to say
about Canada. All he has repeatedly done is to compare Canada to the USSR and
other unfriendly places in our world that rhyme with Canuckistan. Imagine
Canada like the USSR, where state institutions like the KGB wrecked the lives
of millions of people.

---


Dear Bosco,

I don't the USSR was ever perceived as an 'unfriendly' country by India. 
Why do you call it unfriendly? Was the USSR considered unfriendly by Canada?


Cecil

[Goanet]A wonderful message by George Carlin

2005-05-21 Thread Cynthia Fernandes



A wonderful message by George Carlin




George Carlin's wife recently passed away. The gross and mouthy comedian
of the 70's and 80's has written something very eloquent... and so very
appropriate for these times.

A wonderful Message by George Carlin:

The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings but
shorter tempers, wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints. We spend more,
but have less, we buy more, but enjoy less. We have bigger houses and
smaller families, more conveniences, but less time. We have more
degrees but less sense, more knowledge, but less judgment, more
experts, yet more problems, more medicine, but less wellness.

We drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly, laugh too
little, drive too fast, get too angry, stay up too late, get up too
tired, read too little, watch TV too much, and pray too seldom.

We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values. We talk too
much, love too seldom, and hate too often.
We've learned how to make a living, but not a life. We've added years to
life not life to years. We've been all the way to the moon and back, but
have trouble crossing the street to meet a new neighbor. We conquered
outer space but not inner space. We've done larger things, but not
better things.

We've cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul. We've conquered the
atom, but not our prejudice. We write more, but learn less. We plan
more, but accomplish less. We've learned to rush, but not to wait. We
build more computers to hold more information, to produce more copies
than ever, but we communicate less and less.

These are the times of fast foods and slow digestion, big men and small
character, steep profits and shallow relationships. These are the days
of two incomes but more divorce, fancier houses, but broken homes.
These are days of quick trips, disposable diapers, throwaway morality,
one night stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do everything from
cheer, to quiet, to kill. It is a time when there is much in the
showroom window and nothing in the stockroom. A time when technology
can bring this letter to you, and a time when you can choose either to
share this insight, or to just hit delete.

Remember, spend some time with your loved ones, because they are not
going to be around forever.

Remember, say a kind word to someone who looks up to you in awe, because
that little person soon will grow up and leave your side.

Remember, to give a warm hug to the one next to you, because that is the
only treasure you can give with your heart and it doesn't cost a cent.

Remember, to say, I love you to your partner and your loved ones, but
most of all 'mean it'. A kiss and an embrace will mend hurt when it
comes from deep inside of you.

Remember to hold hands and cherish the moment for someday that person
will not be there again.

Give time to love, give time to speak, and give time to share the
precious thoughts in your mind.

AND ALWAYS REMEMBER:

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the
moments that take our breath away.


George Carlin



Cynthia

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[Goanet]Sycophantic cheerleaders

2005-05-21 Thread Cecil Pinto


Patrick de Sousa wrote:
Haven't we all seen some Goanetters pounce upon Goanet Admin volunteers
until they assert their individual rights?


Cecil:
Yes indeed. And haven't we also seen other Goanetters, who rarely interact 
but when they occasionally do they sing they praises of the Admin Team. 
Thus assuring that their posts appear and their threats of un-subscribing 
are taken as a loss of cheerleaders by the Admin Team?


=

Re: [Goanet] Sexual attitudes/behavior

2005-05-21 Thread Santosh Helekar

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Santosh,
 This post will address your points of homosexuality
 which IMHO is not entirely / necessarily a
 religion-related issue, however much one (religion
 bashers) may like to make it. 
 

Not my point. But I think most religions are
prejudiced against homosexuals and homosexuality.


 Gilbert responds:
 Please read my post again. I specifically said the
 homosexuality is a variant and not a sickness and is
 not a pathological condition. This is how one asumes
 a statement, so then one can argue it
 sanctimoniously.  
 

I was addressing the point where you said that both
Fr. Ivo/Nasci and I were right, when clearly our only
point of disagreement was the sickness issue. This is
why I thought that you were trying to confuse the
issue, and adding nothing to the discussion.


 Public behavior of homosexuality, like public
 behavior of heterosexuality has to conform to the
 prevailing social norms.


Public sexual behaviour was not an issue in our
discussion. Please don't bring in unnecessary points.

 
According to you and I presume the American
Psychiatric Association, any sexual relation/behavior
is fine as long as it is between Adults and
Consensual. 


Please don't put words in my mouth, or presume
anything about the American Psychiatric Association,
which it is not supposed to do. APA did not say
anything about age or consensuality. It is not a
legal, judicial or morality-based organization. It is
a professional medical organization.


 So it is OK (as long as it is Adults and Consensual)
 that:
 1. doctors and patients have a sexual relation?
 2. If there is incest?
.


These are legal and moral issues. These were not part
of my argument with Fr. Ivo and Nasci.


 Does society, morality and culture have any role in
 defining human behavior?


Yes. But whether something is regarded as a sickness
or not is a scientific issue. This point and this
point alone was the point of disagreement between Fr.
Ivo/Nasci and me. Do you think you have contributed
anything at all in reconciling this difference? 


Or do we degenerate to our lowest biological
instincts?
 

Do you think that homosexuality represents
degenerating to our lowest biological instincts? If
not, why are you confusing this issue further?


Please respond to how far you propose 'free sexual
relation' of course as long as it is Adult and
Consensual (another Mother and Apple pie statement).
 

I don't want to digress.


 Back to the issue of homosexuality:  


Good. You should have never digressed into other
issues, in the first place,  and added to the
confusion.

 
Is this gene-defect true?  Some of the stuff I have
read is from the National Cancer Institute. If yes in
many (not all) homosexuals, then by definition any
abnormality (in a gene) is a pathology or a disease
process.


A gene defect, or more correctly, genetic mutation
does not imply a sickness. A high level of
intelligence such as yours is quite likely due to a
gene defect. But you are not sick. A gene defect is
simply a variation at the genetic level. Homosexuality
is a variation at the behavioral level, for which
there is most likely a genetic explanation, in terms
of mutation of one or more genes.

Cheers,

Santosh

Re: [Goanet](no subject)

2005-05-21 Thread eric pinto

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you you would like to plant.  Eric.
--- celes fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 free seed how do i get it?
 Pls let me know
 
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[Goanet]Cornel's enquiry about caste...et Fred's point..... not taken

Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Firstly, you might be aware 
that EVERY village has its Mharvaddo, which is almost always located at 
one extreme of the village.



You sure about this Fred?

.!

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[Goanet]Re: GOA SUDHAROP, Accountability and the Company one keeps


From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The volunteers and others involved at Goa Sudharop have maintained the 
highest level of ethical

conduct. No less is expected.

A few days ago, Dave Futers mentioned how the Goa Sudharop supported Goa 
Schools Computer Project did not pay a bribe to move the computers off the 
Mumbai docks.


I must add that my experience with Goan expat organizations and NGOs in Goa 
has been stellar in
financial matters. They have accounted for the last penny and make me proud 
of how they have

handled their responsibility and accountability.

One is to be judged by the company they keep.



Dear George,

Once again...Thanks for your statement.

I hope the detractors are happy now.

Must add this: I believe that Patrick (PD) took a swipe at Goa Sudharop 
(perhaps) because George Pinto is involved in it + the fact that George 
Pinto has hyper-picante views on the Catholic Church (many of which I do NOT 
agree with) .


I hope that in future we will attempt to separate the person from the issue 
- and that too, Issue by Issue.


Having said that  Please Keep up the Good Work.

jc

PS: Yes MM, GoaDesc, Roland, Lilian are good (and selfless) company 
indeed


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[Goanet]Re: Santoshbab ani Caste

cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I think that Santosh also came out 
against caste but I have not got the time to check this out for now.


Once again.for the recordDr. Santosh Helekar has been one of the 
strongest opposers of the Caste Apologists. His scientific angle to the 
debate is captured at http://www.colaco.net/1/caste.htm


For those who do not know, one of the biggest incentives for any research 
into the Caste System was that Rt Wing Hindu idealogue Ashok Chowgule. The 
constant anti Pope John Paul II, Mother Teresa and SFX tirade gave me enough 
incentive to write that article. Sometime soon, I will add snippets from the 
presently occuring debate  ESP that very intriguing vignette from Teotonio 
de Souza of Lisbon.


good wishes

jc

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[Goanet]RE: Cornel DaCosta's Whither Democracy v Goa's Withered Democracy





From: cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Percy Ferrao,
I read your interesting post on the Governor's insistence on implementing 
full day schooling in Goa. To be truthful, I do not know the ins and outs of 
this issue. However I am puzzled that there seemed to be no consultation by 
the Governor on this matter with the varied people who will be affected. Is 
it a case of dictat?  Whither democracy?

Cornel DaCosta, London, UK.


Dear Cornel,

you ask an important question i.e. Lokank Consultaçao Korop na re?

If one looks at it objectively,  few nations with ostensibly Representative 
Democracies have this business of Consultation with the real masters i.e. 
the general populace: The US of A, The UK and France being among the most 
prominent.


As far as Goa is concerned, ask yourself: Were the people of Goa really 
consulted when major decisions were made about Goa after this thing we still 
fool ourselves by calling it Liberation. Why don't we call it simply 
Liberation from the Portuguese. :


i.e. Were Goans consulted re:

1. The Invasion of Goa
2. The Annexation of Goa
3. The leasing over of Dabolim to the Navy
4. The handing over of Anjediva to the Navy
5. The handing over of the Heritage buildings in Panjim to the Army
6. The Konkan Railway route
7. The name changes to Panjim and Mapusa


The ONLY real consultative process in which Goans were asked to participate 
was the Opinion Poll. As the MGP (read BJP) was defeated in that one - it is 
highly unlikely that any such Consulatation will ever take place until the 
entire demographics is changed.


We are a fine people who are fooling ourselves that we have a democracy. ( 
Bosteao, ani el cazu-sodh aadd re). We are the same people who Vote the 
people we want to cow-tow to for 5 years.


And we call that democracy - but we complain about the Church !


Aren't we precious?

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RE: [Goanet]Gilbert's accusation

2005-05-21 Thread Cip Fernandes

Cecil,

Is there anything for human beings to experience beyond 'Rational
reasoning'?

Cip
UK

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Cecil Pinto
Sent: 20 May 2005 09:45
To: goanet@goanet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet]Gilbert's accusation


Gilbert Lawrence has accused Santosh Helekar of 'bashing' only the Catholic
religion, and not Hindu and other religions. Over the years I have observed
that Santosh has been even-handed in criticising all religions and
irrational beliefs. There are archived records of this on many Goan
Internet forums including this one.

I feel Gilbert owes Santosh a public apology for making this false
accusation.

Cecil

Re: [Goanet]Abuse by priests is excusable

2005-05-21 Thread Alfred de Tavares

From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org
To: goanet@goanet.org
Subject: Re: [Goanet]Abuse by priests is excusable
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:11:44 -0700 (PDT)

--- halur rasho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Every god fearing catholic
 Why do we have to fear God? Is loving him (her?) not
 enough?

Mario replies:
Arre, yaar, Halur, loving him (her?) may make YOU feel
good, but don't you understand that God can decide to
send one to HELL for all eternity?  If THAT doesn't
scare the HELL out of you, then I don't know what will!

Laying aside the appocalyptic 'eternity' so daemocleanically
and inexorably poised over us, why not consider the horrendous
plagues over Egypt, the salty doom of S  G and other divine
wrath so direly chronicled in the BOOK?

Alfred de T, offering an incentive to cecilian research of hereafter

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Re: [Goanet]Calls to UK, US Canada for just Rs.2.99 per minute

On 21/05/05, JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 From Goa.
 
 Not all payphones offer such rates but there is one very near to where i live.
 
 Come to Magsons SuperCentre
 
 And dont foget to visit me for a cup of tea or pez (canji)
 or lunch/Dinner just Sourak,
 if in the evenings, join me for Urrak.
 
 Entry by appointment only.
 
 Active Goanetters only (No silent goanetters)
 
 Beware of Dogs

RESPONSE: You have not given your address! So as such you have not
given an invite proper. I am not too good with Konkanim but by
bro-in-law would say bondola!

cheers.
Gabe Menezes
London England.

[Goanet]Cornel's enquiry about caste...

2005-05-21 Thread Frederick Noronha


 I had noted your tongue in cheek answer to my question on Untouchables in 
 Goa among the Catholics and Hindus. Unfortunately, my earlier reply to you 
 did not get through the ether. Cornel

Hi Cornel: Your questions suggest you are uncertain about what the grassroots 
situation on caste (in this case, untouchability) among the Goan Catholic 
really is. 

To add to the complication, the reality that those with access to the Net are 
overwhelmingly unlikely to be from any extreme sub-altern sections is unlikely 
to bring in anything other than tongue-in-cheek replies. Most Catholic Goans 
tend to pretend as if caste doesn't exist, or that they know nothing about it.

Firstly, you might be aware that every village has its Mharvaddo, which is 
almost always located at one extreme of the village. In Saligao, given the 
derrogatory connotations the word has, the name was sought to be adapted -- 
amidst some reluctance from those who don't feel the pinch -- to Bairo Alto. 
Many predominantly Catholic (or once-Catholic) villages have this kind of a 
reality.

The Mhars are an aboriginal group with extremely low social status, and my 
friend Dadu Mandrekar (whom I mentioned some while back, in the context of 
digital photography) is a community leader. While their network is 
predominantly made up of Hindu Mhars, they try to network with the Catholic 
Mhars, who share many but not all of the social problems.

Because of the so-called unclean work that communities like the Mahars 
(basket-weavers) and Chamars (leather workers) do, they fall in the Dalit or 
'Scheduled Caste' status. While I do not know of Christian chamars (the leather 
workers and cobblers have tended to be Hindu), there definitely are Catholic 
Dalits in the form of Mhars.

You can read the Goa volume of the 'People of India' book by Dr K S Singh 
(Anthopological Survey of India) for a listing of all caste groups.

Of course, Catholicism does not sanction concepts like 'ritual pollution' and 
'unclean work'. (So, you could say that there is a 'social untouchability' if 
not a 'ritual' one.) Just because the religion doesn't accept concepts of 
'uncleanliness' does not mean that people who have lived with the caste 
ideology for generations will not suffer biases after a change of their 
religion! Social apartheid does continue to exist, among Catholics too. You 
just need to enter the marriage market, for instance, to know that. (This is 
one reason we refuse to accept caste labels in the Cybermatrimonials column. 
But that is just a token step, and doesn't wish caste out of existence.)

More importantly, there is this tendency to equate the 'caste problem' with the 
woes of the Dalit population. Agreed, the Dalits are at the very lowest end of 
the caste hierarchy and face the full fire of bigotry. But there are a whole 
range of caste issues in between. Even among the Catholics -- from infighting 
among the supposedly 'elite' castes (Brahmins and Chardos), to the aspirations 
and politics of the intermediary-castes, the continued neglect of the 
significantly large aboriginal Gawada section of Goa's population (quite a few 
of them Catholics), the resurgence in the one-man-one-vote times of the 
numerically larger caste groups, strange alliances on caste bases in Salcete 
politics, the dominance of political parties (or even groups like the RSS) 
among caste networks and  much more

Just thought of sharing these few thoughts, though I'm not sure if I've added 
anything new. FN


Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India
Freelance Journalist  TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436
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[Goanet]NEWS: Dara Singh to move Supreme Court for full acquittal

2005-05-21 Thread Frederick Noronha

DARA TO MOVE SC FOR FULL ACQUITTAL
Source: 
Dara Singh, the main accused in Staines murder case, on Thursday said he would 
move the Supreme Court for a full acquittal. Reacting to this, CBI counsel 
Suryakanta Padhi said, A decision on moving SC would be taken at the 
appropriate level. Elaborating on the order, the court said, The eyewitnesses 
never attributed any particular fatal injury to appellant Dara Singh for which 
he can be individually held responsible for the death of the three deceased 
persons or for the death of any of them. Evidence against all the participants 
- including Dara Singh - being of identical nature, they were all equally 
responsible for the three murders.

Therefore, no justification is available from the evidence on record to single 
out Dara Singh for convicting him under Section 302 IPC... the sentence of 
death thereunder cannot be sustained and must be set aside. The court added 
that convictions and sentences of the remaining 11 appellants cannot be 
sustained as there is no reliable evidence on record as regards their 
identification.

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[Goanet]Re: Sexual attitudes/behavior

2005-05-21 Thread gilbertlaw

Hi Santosh,
This post will address your points of homosexuality which IMHO is not entirely 
/ necessarily a religion-related issue, however much one (religion bashers) may 
like to make it. None of the religions permit deviant sexual behavior. Looks 
like this is one of the few things all religions appear to agree on. :=)).  And 
even the Parsee community disapproves of homosexuality even though, I am 
informed, there is not a word of homosexuality in Zoroastrianism.  

Santosh writes:
Honestly, your posts on the issue of homosexuals did not make any sense at all. 
I did not respond to what you wrote because I did not want to digress into 
unrelated and confused matters that you raised. For instance, you say that Fr. 
Ivo and Nasci Caldeira are right about homosexuality, when they claim based on 
no evidence that it is a sickness. 

Gilbert responds:
Please read my post again. I specifically said the homosexuality is a variant 
and not a sickness and is not a pathological condition. This is how one asumes 
a statement, so then one can argue it sanctimoniously.  

Public behavior of homosexuality, like public behavior of heterosexuality has 
to conform to the prevailing social norms.  Now those who want to push the 
envelope, please stop the sanctimony. Tell us where the boundary limit of 
public sexual behavior is acceptable in your opinion and let us see if the 
Goanet public will accept it.  After all three people alone are not the only 
Goanet public.  (Sometimes, I wonder if they even read their own posts.)  

Sexual behavior is an animal instinct and is perfectly normal, in fact 
necessary.  Tell us your solution to the acceptance of sexual norms and give 
the goanetters a chance to tell you the pitfalls of your recommendations like 
below.

Santosh:
And then you turn around and say that I am also right about this issue when I 
say and present a professional consensus statement of the American Psychiatric
Association that homosexuality is not a sickness. Do you think this type of a 
confusion and obfuscation, coming from an intelligent person, deserves a 
response? 

Gilbert responds:
According to you and I presume the American Psychiatric Association, any sexual 
relation / behavior is fine as long as it is between Adults and Consensual. 

So it is OK (as long as it is Adults and Consensual) that:
1. doctors and patients have a sexual relation?
2. If there is incest?
3. If there is a sexual relation between a man and his daughter-in-law?
4. Adultery?
5. Polygamy?
6. etc.. 
Does society, morality and culture have any role in defining human behavior?
Or do we degenerate to our lowest biological instincts?

Please respond to how far you propose 'free sexual relation' of course as long 
as it is Adult and Consensual (another Mother and Apple pie statement).

Back to the issue of homosexuality:  
I am told there is some data that homo-sexuality,  like alcoholism is a 
gene-related condition, with latent and extrovert manifestations.

So let's not critique Fr. Ivo and Nasci too hard on their understanding of the 
nature of homosexuality. They may be right.  This is not my area of expertise. 
Is this gene-defect true?  Some of the stuff I have read is from the National 
Cancer Institute. If yes in many (not all) homosexuals, then by definition any 
abnormality (in a gene) is a pathology or a disease process.  So for a minimum 
there is a lot we need to know about the nature / genetic / biochemistry of 
homosexuality. 
Regards

[Goanet]Full day school


Dear Percy Ferrao,
I read your interesting post on the Governor's insistence on implementing 
full day schooling in Goa. To be truthful, I do not know the ins and outs of 
this issue. However I am puzzled that there seemed to be no consultation by 
the Governor on this matter with the varied people who will be affected. Is 
it a case of dictat?  Whither democracy?
Cornel DaCosta, London, UK.

[Goanet]Calls to UK, US Canada for just Rs.2.99 per minute

2005-05-21 Thread JoeGoaUk


From Goa.

Not all payphones offer such rates but there is one very near to where i live.

Come to Magsons SuperCentre

And dont foget to visit me for a cup of tea or pez (canji)
or lunch/Dinner just Sourak,
if in the evenings, join me for Urrak. 

Entry by appointment only.

Active Goanetters only (No silent goanetters)

Beware of Dogs





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Re: [Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC Religion posts


Goanetters,
I am puzzled by Alfred's contention below, (with reference to Catholic 
belief) to Mario that, their levelheaded [referring to Santosh and George] 
comments ...considerably help us, believers, from going astray towards the 
ludicrous. My puzzlement stems from the earlier powerful arguments people 
like Mario, George, Jose and I presented on Goanet, over a sustained period, 
that caste belief is not compatible with Catholicism. I think that Santosh 
also came out against caste but I have not got the time to check this out 
for now. Alfred remained ever so silent on this issue and indeed said so 
himself, except for one statement from him which said that we were like 
buffaloes fighting this issue. His sentiment in its context was entirely 
derogaratory to those identified above. Perhaps Alfred can now clarify, in 
the light of his earlier statement which I have identified above, where he 
stands on caste belief vis a vis his contention that he is indeed a Catholic 
believer.


Clearly, anyone interested in this issue can  locate Alfred's exact words, 
and so can he, in the archives.


No hard feelings Alfred, just seeking clarification, ever so humbly.
Cornel
- Original Message - 
From: Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: goanet@goanet.org
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC Religion posts



From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org
To: goanet@goanet.org
Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC Religion posts
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:07:24 -0700 (PDT)

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 GL
 Hi Santosh,
 Thanks for your last post on this thread.
 Below YOU make my EXACT POINT - Precisely and
 Approximately.:=))

 You bash / lambaste religion because of any
 crack-pot post that covers any of the following
 subjects that you have outlined below.
 And unfortunately there are many of those crack-pot
 posts which our moderators cannot or do not want to
 restrict.  Most are benign and reflects someone's
 private belief.


My dear Mario,

Neither do I vouchsafe my opinions humble.

I think Santosh and George are doing us, Catholics, indeed,
very proud.

By their levelheaded comments they considerably help
us, believers, from going astray towards the ludicrous.

I am sure, even the good Jesus, would have avoided the
path that led his evangelists and followers towards scorn.

Alfred de Tavares,
Stockholm




All the physician-posters I can think of are at least
as obnoxious as I am, which is saying a lot, but I try
to be specific, and even my barbed references are
narrowly targeted and precisely crafted, in my never
humble opinion of course.  The victims, er, debating
opponents, I'm sure, will disagree.




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[Goanet]GOA-BOM or GOA-DEL etc for just Re.1 or Rs.99 ? is there really such thing?? Find out more...

2005-05-21 Thread JoeGoaUk


Well, with so many airlines old and new, there bound to be a stiff competition.
In order to promote or to attract customers/passengers each airline may use its 
best
tactics to woo pax. Some may offer for just Re. 1, Rs.99, Rs.500, Rs.849 etc 
etc If
you see such catchy ads, and even such fare does exist, always remember to add 
min.
of Rs.221 per ticket towards taxes e.g. Re. 1 fare will be Rs.222, Rs.99 = 
Rs.320
and so on.

I tried several time Rs.500 fare with Air Deccan but even searching 12 months in
advance, it not showing up at all (it may show sometimes for early morning flt)

Next, few days ago I tried the so called Red Hot fare of SpiceJet (Goa-Bom/Del) 
not
even started yet(starts 27 May?)but they say all Rs.99 fare for first 99 days 
are
SOLD OUT.

The next fare-slot from Spicejet showing up as follows:

31/5/05 Goa Bom Dep.14.30 Rs.1,149 + tax (same day on Air Deccan Rs.2,250 + Tx)
30/6/05 the same is Rs.849 + tax (Deccan being Rs.2,050 + Tax)

For abv, other airlines normal price is Rs.4180 with IA/Jet

again, spicejet
30/05/05 GOA-DEL Dep.5.50pm Arrv.8.15pm Rs.3,249 + tax 
15/07/05 the same will be Rs.2,349.(Deccan Dont fly DEL frm Goa)

for abv, the other airlines normal price is Rs.11,500 Sahara etc


Conclusion: SpiceJet seems to be a real bargain.

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[Goanet]Last Laugh

2005-05-21 Thread Joe Vaz

Ralphie was practicing the violin in the living room while his father was 
trying to read in the den.


The family dog was lying in the den, and as the screeching sounds of little 
Harold's violin reached his ears, he began to howl loudly.


The father listened to the dog and the violin as long as he could. Then he 
jumped up, slammed his paper to the floor and yelled above the noise, For 
Pete's sake, can't you play something the dog doesn't know?!


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[Goanet]Problem with Sancharnet mail

2005-05-21 Thread Frederick Noronha (FN)

This is what a friend wrote when I asked him why people with Sancharnet 
addresses couldn't get thru to my [EMAIL PROTECTED] address:


-- Forwarded message --

yes. your email provider configured their server to reject any email from an
IP address that doesnt have reverse dns (aka PTR record)

while reverse dns - and requiring reverse dns - is a good thing, especially
here in india and other third world countries a lot of isps dont implement
it. so at least some legitimate mail will definitely be lost if your email
provider turns on that rule.


 554 5.7.1 The server sending your mail [210.215.130.182] does not have a
reverse DNS entry. Connection Rejected. Please contact your
Dial-Up/DSL/Network ISP Provider. Default Reject!
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Re: [Goanet]Untouchables in Goa


Hi Marie,
I had noted your tongue in cheek answer to my question on Untouchables in 
Goa among the Catholics and Hindus. Unfortunately, my earlier reply to you 
did not get through the ether.

Cornel
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: goanet@goanet.org
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 1:04 AM
Subject: [Goanet]Untouchables in Goa



Hi Marie,
Having followed this thread about caste among Goans and especially 
Catholics, I fell off the chair (laughing) with your response to 
'Untouchables Among Catholics'. I am glad that belatedly we are trying to 
find some anwers.  If no one contradicts you,  then along with JC, I would 
assume there are no untouchables among Catholic Goans.


Now as far as the Goan Catholics you describe:
Are these that you have described, Untouchables? or
Are they Mortal Enemies whom if only looks could kill? :=)
How do you handle 'Pad Podom' ?
Regards, Gilbert Lawrence.

Marie D'Souza
Reply: Yes there are Untouchables among the catholics in Goa who will 
not

even enter the house of a person they have had a quarrel with. - mush less
drink a glass of water from their hands.

and there there are Untouchables among the hindus in Goa who will not 
even
enter the house of a person they have had a quarrel with, besides those 
of a

lower class from whom they will not touch any eatables.

Cornel asked:
Are there untouchables among the Catholics or indeed among the Hindus 
normally

resident in Goa today?

Re: [Goanet]Ganesha label on beer bottle

On 21/05/05, halur rasho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My dear fellow,
 Are you an Indian? Your question betrays a kind of
 smugness. There is no Hindu religion as Christians and
 Muslims understand it. There is no prophet, no
 revelation, no real divine book, no organised body,
 not even actually a priesthood to which entry is
 regulated.   You, if you are brown skinned, could
 drape youself in a dhoti, smear some ash on your
 forehead, mumble something which sounded lik Sanskrit
 and be in business. 

RESPONSE: There is no smugness on my part. Although I am brown skinned
and of Goan origin, I was born in Nairobi, Kenya. I attended a
Catholic Mission, school where 99 percent of the pupils where Catholic
Goans. Our curriculum did not encompass other religions - I would say
I was sheltered from learning about other Religions or other practices
such as Hinduism.

I guess, I shouldn't have asked - the response was there but with an
uncalled for caveat.

cheers.
Gabe Menezes.
London England.

[Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC religion post

2005-05-21 Thread Santosh Helekar

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I apologize to you   (and hope you accept my
misfortune as your friend)  to bring this to your
attention.


Dear Gilbert,

Thanks for your apology. It was not needed from my
perspective. A simple retraction would have done. But
regarding the following:

  
Let us NOT forget what started this thread, here is
the quote: Give religion in general, or any
particular religion, a free pass and that is same as
those with have a sick and depraved mentality, ...
who should never be allowed to hide behind any kind
of religious immunity? ... There ought to be no
limits on religious bashing on Goanet.


I stand by every assertion of mine in the original
version, and in the original context - not in this
chopped up version of yours. I hope you understand my
point of view.

Cheers,

Santosh

Re: [Goanet]RE: Five thoughts for double-digit inclusive growth -

2005-05-21 Thread carlos6143



Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


Even as regards India, this would have been
as valid 50 years ago as it is today and perhaps 5 years hence! What 
really

is new in it?

Continuation of Advani's speech:Some Highlights

India could break the chains of under-achievement and begin attaining 
higher rates of economic growth in the 1990s only after it discarded 
the influence of that Soviet model.


I never cease to be amazed by the hypocrisy of the Indian communists. 
For them, it is okay if China carries out economic reforms, but India 
must not. It is okay if China becomes a nuclear weapon nation, but 
India must not.
It is okay if a Chinese leader says, It does not matter of which 
colour the cat is, so long as it catches the mice, but for the 
Communists, India must follow the dictum: It does not matter if the 
cat cannot catch the mice, but it must be of red colour.
I wish to caution Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh: Your dependence 
on communist support will prove to be a liability for anything good you 
may wish to do.
If 8 % growth was Mungeri Lals Haseen Sapne, then would Double-Digit 
Growth be Mungeri Lals Hallucinations? A very responsible leader of 
the UPA had sought to rubbish the Vajpayee governments attempts to 
achieve 8% GDP growth rate as Mungeri Lals Haseen Sapne. By that 
logic, our present discussion on how India should achieve double-digit 
growth must qualify to be called not just Mungeri Lals Haseen Sapne, 
but Mungeri Lals Hallucinations!
While on the point of good governance, I must emphasise that this 
should not be confined only to Raisina Hill; it is also needed in 
Nariman Point. Corporate India must also follow the relevant norms and 
rules of good corporate governanceboth in letter and in spirit.


Regards,
Carlos

[Goanet]Give legitimacy to an illegitimate Govt.?

http://www.zeenews.com/links/articles.asp?aid=218386sid=REG

  Goa by-polls fight for democracy: Advani   
Margao, May 21: Describing the June 2 by-polls in Goa as a fight for
democracy and good governance, BJP president L K Advani said a vote
for congress will give legitimacy to an illegitimate government.

Kicking off the party's poll campaign at a rally here, the former
Deputy Prime Minister said, These elections are unusual because this
is not just a fight between the Congress and the BJP, but a fight for
democracy and good governance.

Attacking Congress for conspiring to murder democracy, he said
by-polls usually happen when an MP or MLA dies or when the seat is
vacated, but in Goa by-polls were necessiated because a few people
thought it appropriate to resign from their seats to topple a
government.

Claiming that the only deterrent to defection was vote against the
defectors, Advani said no matter how many laws you make, those who
want to defect will do so.

Therefore the best deterrent to defection is to vote against that
person, he said.

The Governor's action of withdrawing the pleasure to the state
government was in violation of the constitution. Any vote for the
Congress in this by-poll will be giving legitimacy to an illegitimate
government, he added.

The rally marked the official launch of the BJP's campaign. Former
Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar, state unit president Rajendra
Arlekar, North Goa MP Sripad Naik were present along with all five
candidates fielded by BJP.

Bureau Report

RESPONSE: To take a leaf out of Halur's book - baby cry Advani - the
true test is at the Polls- whether the votes are bought off, or
otherwise.

What about the poaching of Isidore the last time round? I guess that
was good strategy and strictly above board!

Cheers.
Gabe Menezes.
London England.

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Cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
London, England

[Goanet]RE: *** Goanet Reader -- Unassuming giant, Felicio Cardoso

2005-05-21 Thread Alvaro Peres da Costa


Well done, Xavier.

I don't think anyone could have put it better to honour the memory of that 
true but giant Felicio-bab, a sould embodying true humility.


I used to see him quite often during his struggles trying to make a go of 
Sot.


To me he was a visionary phenomenon - peerless and amiable.

After a long interregnum, we met in Panjim in May last year and we shared an 
umoshik marpachem drink after Aurora Couto's launch of Goa - a daughter's 
story.  The polyglot in him said to me vamos matar saudades.


How unconsoled I was not to have been able to make it (due to vagaries og 
Goa transport) for a rendez-vous with Felicio-bab at Zito Almeida's shop in 
Margao on the eve of my departure from Goa in May last year!  That was to 
have been my last encounter with the incredible man and truly amiable man!


An example to emulate but a tough act to follow nonetheless.

May Felicio-bab's souls rest in peace...

Alvito Peres da Costa







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To: goanet-news@goanet.org
Subject: *** Goanet Reader -- Unassuming giant, Felicio Cardoso
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 15:35:06 +0530

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FROM THE KONKANI WORLD: TRIBUTE TO FELICIO CARDOSO -- THE UNASSUMING GIANT

By Xavier Cota
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

The tragic death of Felicio Cardoso a year ago on May 17, 2004
brought down the curtains on a great man who walked most
unassumingly amongst us.

A man for whom Truth was an uncompromising credo but who, ironically was
often accused of being anti-religious! A generous soul whose left hand did
not know what his right hand had given and who could yet be charged with
being un-Christian! A true freedom-fighter who despite suffering years of
brutal imprisonment for his beliefs, never made a fetish of it, nor wore his
scars on his sleeve. A teacher who never stopped learning. A chef par
excellence, a dramatist, a magician who had mastered hypnotism. A linguist
with fluency over English, Portuguese, Kannada, Hindi and Marathi but who
prided in most often speaking only his mother-tongue Konkani which he served
with brilliant distinction. A writer with mastery over several literary
genres, but who nevertheless chose the difficult path of Roman-script
Konkani journalism when all that we had at the time were a handful of
gossipy weeklies and monthlies in rundown, anaemic, Konkani, and a religious
weekly catering to a very limited readership

Felicio, though virtually penniless and in indifferent health after his long
stint at the infamous Aguada Jail, managed to string up the finances and
almost single-handedly launched a high quality Konkani weekly GOENCHO SAD in
tabloid format in the Roman script. It was to become the first Konkani
weekly in Liberated Goa. From the inception, there were articles of high
standard written by eminent Goan writers, both Catholic and Hindu.

Felicio Cardoso's contribution to the standardization of written
Konkani and the introduction of pure Konkani and Antar-Bharati or
pan-Indian vocabulary to Goans in general and the Catholic community
in particular is unparelleled. He did it with the flair of a natural
teacher as he gradually introduced more and more sophisticated
syntax and terminology with the colloquial word in parenthesis.
These were subsequently gradually withdrawn.

GOENCHO SAD, which hit the news stands early on Sunday morning became a
weekly habit for thousands of Goans from the well-educated to the
semi-educated. With its mix of bold, accurate reporting, informed comment,
poems and creative literature, sports and quizzes, puzzles and competitions,
GOENCHO SAD was a success. With the readership clamouring for more, Felicio
was emboldened to transform it into a daily within a year.

Thus, was born SOT.

Continuing the Goencho Sad tradition, a host of top Goan writers wrote for
it. Goa's Poet-Laureate Manohar Rai Sardessai contributed a poem every day!
Inspired by this, young Goan writers tried their hand at poetry and prose
and SOT provided a platform for their creativity. They were heady times.

During the four years of its life, SOT played a heroic role in exposing
corruption and above all in safeguarding Goa from merger with Maharashtra
during the Opinion Poll and for the recognition of Konkani. Later he trained
his guns on the Deputationists -- the colonial-type bureaucrats from across
the border who were lording it over the Goans in the

[Goanet]Goanet Reader -- Dr Joe, who brings life to the Bullets of Goa

2005-05-21 Thread Goanet Reader


PROFILE: DR JOE, WHO BRINGS LIFE TO THE BULLETS OF GOA

By Rahul Alvares
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

He has ripped the rusty 350 cc Enfield down to nuts, bolts and
bones. Every system -- digestive, circulatory, nervous and excretory
-- has been separated and placed neatly in greasy bags in a corner
of his garage. Now all that's left is the thick chassis of the bike
and the headlight holder which, devoid of its bulb, is staring at me
like the hollow eyes of a skeleton. The man whistling nonchalantly
as he tussles with the heavy engine of the motorbike is Doctor Joe;
the most famous Bullet mechanic in Goa.

My blue Bullet which needs a new chain is being attended to by Joe's helper;
an eleven year old boy who seems to understand more about the Enfield than
many of the previous mechanics I've visited. I've known Joe for some time
now. But I haven't a clue as to why the title 'Doctor'. My query draws a
laugh from Joe.

I cure all diseases of bikes, Aids included! replies Joe.

I raise my eye brows at the smart answer and Joe hits me with another
teaser. Hey, I'm an M.B.B.S -- that's Macalister, Bullet, and B.S.A.
Surgeon!

I give up. Joe may not have got through his eight standard in school but his
English is impeccable and the sense of humour, sparkling.

Joe started working on bikes at the age of fifteen on the footpath in
Bombay. He worked for a garage and repaired British bikes (Nortons, Triumphs
and B.S.As) which were plentiful at that time.

Eight years later he moved to Goa and spent the next five years
fixing bikes on Calangute beach. A three year stint at the Calangute
petrol pump, and Joe had finally saved enough to build his own
garage situated at Porba Vaddo in Calangute.

At around the same time Joe joined hands with Clouse Brass; proprietor of
Classic Bike Adventure Tours. The bikers toured the Himalayas and Rajasthan
for a total of twenty two days. All the bikes were Enfields.

Joe's job was to follow the twenty-odd bikes in a jeep loaded with spare
tires, batteries, cables and tools to fix any problem that should arise on
the journey.

Joe recalls the tours nostalgically. They would cover 300-400 kilometers a
day and then find a good spot to camp. Usually this would be a valley
ensuring plentiful supply of water. Food, including live chickens, was
carried in a truck that also followed the bikes.

Following the death of Mr. Brass a few years ago, Joe quit Classic Tours. He
now works full time at the garage.

I became acquainted with Joe on recommendation from my neighbour who
also owns a Bullet. I had at that time just purchased two Bullets
and was searching for a good mechanic. The Bullet is an amazing bike
to ride, but a little tricky to maintain. I took an instant liking
to Joe.

Joe is the type of a guy who will never force you to repair or replace a
bike part unless it is absolutely necessary. Many of the spare parts now
fitted to my bike are scrap pulled out from his massive collection. That
saved me a lot of money!

A few days back I thought of changing the piston rings of one of my bikes to
get a little more power. Joe refused to get it done.

Why put a good man in hospital? was his defense.

It is this attitude of Joe's that I and all his clients love.

Joe's clientele is fifty percent foreigners and fifty percent Goan. He opens
up full engines and modifies bikes including B.S.As, Nortons, Triumphs,
Harleys, and other foreign bikes as well. Spare parts for foreign bikes are
also available with him.


ABOUT THE AUTHOR: Rahul Alvares is a writer, author of two books,
wildlife-enthusiast, musician ... and young man of many roles. He lives at
Parra, Goa. Joe can be contacted at at 0091.832.2299278 (residence).

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2005-05-21 Thread celes fernandes

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Pls let me know

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