Re: [Goanet] Casimir Effect
--- "Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > *--Your answer is biased. It is not an > answer to my question. > Fr. Ivo, This post of yours has already appeared once on Goanet before. Here is the link to it: http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2005-June/030023.html I have already replied to it last week. Here is the link to my response: http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2005-June/030038.html Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]FROM AN EYE OF AN EAGLE - PART THREE
Hi Fred, This article is a sequel to the previous two. Could you please post it on goanet. Thank you. Please ignore the one I sent earlier, as it had a couple of errors. FROM AN EYE OF AN EAGLE Part Three The summer was at its peak. There was no respite in the heat. This is usual during the last days of May in our tropical Goa. Everyone looks forward to the rains latest by the first week of June. Finally after a lot of speculation by weather men and various predictions by the local folks at this time of year about the uncertainty of the most talked about topic regarding the start of the rainy season, gusty winds, thunder and lightening heralded the onset of monsoon in a grand fashion. It seemed that nature had made its own decision and shown its prowess. It had unleashed its fury and wrath. Relentless heavy downpours continued for a week bringing about a deluge. We had been left indoors for quite a while. A brief let-up brought some relief while enormous clouds still passed overhead. We were recovering from the tempest that really let us have it. Today the skies seemed pleasant and bright after a week of dark, dull and rainy days. So, my two younger siblings and I took off to survey our beautiful land as we frequently do. Taking off from our aerie in the northern district in the highlands of our scenic homeland we swiftly and instinctively formed our favourite V-formation. This time it was my kid-sibling in command, and I volunteered to wing the left flank as flight superintendent. Flying south-west at lat.13o36N, long.65o57E over the northern mountains we passed over the massive blue pylons of the cable-stayed bridge that was still intact and visible from a long distance. It seemed that the waters from the recent torrent flowing underneath had not posed any danger yet! Banking slightly to our right we decided to head straight towards the coast for a brief assessment of the area. The general impression we got was that everything was placid, cool and tranquil down below. But somehow our assumption was incorrect. In fact the rivers over-flowed. The fields were completely inundated. Soaring just below the rain clouds we gently swept southwards as soon as we hit the coastal hills. Keeping a steady leisurely speed of 20 kph we swept low along the seashore. The cool south-westerly wind pushed and brushed our right wings. Not a major turbulence or disturbance; nothing that we couldnt handle. Unruffled, with a gentle trim here, a minor adjustment there, mere natural instinct and wits, coordination and expert navigation as usual, we set ourselves precisely on the right flight path. We were astonished to see that this vast stretch pristine beach from Chor Bhaim at Baga to Chimu Bhaim at Sinquerim was almost deserted. A few boats braved the seas down below and further to our right giant cargo vessels seemed to be standing still. And then suddenly we saw what we had not expected to find. It came as a terrible and rude shock as we shuddered in our wings. We had presumed that the great River Princess had left the area by now. How sad and heartbreaking to witness this sight! IFFI came and went, and so did the thousand of tourists, but she was still there languishing like a helpless princess in distress. We were terribly distraught to see that she was still very much in the area, entrenched in a sandy beach of world-wide fame. We were tormented to see that the furious waves lashing at the sides of the now legendary and world-famous River Princess for a long time now. We believe much has been said about re-floating it. An entire squad of politicians has been unsuccessful in proving their mettle in putting the princess out of her misery for the last five years. My Papaeagle was right! He had predicted this failure. He would definitely be grieved to hear the news when I got home. While trying to regain our composure from this abrupt shock we almost flew right into the massive and towering first lighthouse in Asia at Fort Aguada. Thanks to the timely warning radioed by our captain. Shortly thereafter we gradually banked left, eastward over the Mandovi river that seemed to be in a mighty rage and haste. Looking down and towards our right we thought we were lost for a few seconds. We thought we were flying over Venice. Then to our utter amazement we were saddened in quickly realizing that it was our very own city of IFFI fame, Panjim. It was then immediately clear to us that those flooded streets were the aftermath of a hurried misadventure and an engineering feat that had gone terribly wrong. My little kid sibling however seemed quite amused at the sight and confusion down below. As we flew further east, our radio and weather specialist manning the right wing advised that it was time for us to head home. Huge rain-bearing clouds on our backs from the west appeared to chase us. In a fleeting moment I looked towards the rear and realized
[Goanet]State of Education in Goa - Part 1
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- Rujuta not only secures 1st rank after re-verification, but a gold medal too She not only succeeded in securing a first rank in her BA examinations after re-verification, but is entitled for a gold medal and a certificate of merit as well. What's more, her legal battle in the High Court has forced Goa University to strike down part of Ordinance No 5.15 (iv), which states that marks obtained by a candidate after revaluation will not be taken into account for the purpose of award of scholarships, prizes, medals and or order of merit. In this case, the Goa University had declared Miss Rujuta A Borkar as having secured a third rank in the final year BA degree course in the year 2003-04. She, however, preferred to apply for re-verification after being dissatisfied with the marks obtained by her (504 out of 700 marks). After re-verification, her total marks jumped from 504 to 541, thereby moving her ranking from third to first place. Incidentally, by virtue of having secured a first rank, she was entitled for a gold medal and a certificate, but the Goa University maintained that Rujuta would not be entitled for a prize and certificate in view of the Ordinance. She later challenged the part of the Ordinance in the High Court on ground that it is arbitrary, in that it recognises the merit of the petitioner as having stood first, but does not entitle her for consequential prize, certificate etc. A two judge-bench of the Mumbai High Court at Goa, Justice A P Lavande and Justice Nelson A Britto held that they are entirely in agreement with the contention raised by Rujuta based on previous judgements pronounced by the court. The judges further added that if the petitioner in the first declaration of results had obtained less marks, it was for no fault of the petitioner and she could not be penalised for the same and deprived of the consequential benefits. The Learned Counsel representing Goa University and the Vice-Chancellor informed the court that the University has already taken steps to delete the part of the Ordinance and that the matter has been approved by the Academic Council and the Executive Council and is pending before the Chancellor for approval. The Court disposed of the Rujuta's petition after the University Counsel submitted that the student would be given the prize/certificate she would be entitled to on account of change of her rank from third to first place. -- HERALD 28/06/05 page 3 -- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy ===
[Goanet]For The Lighter Side - Who said to Whom?
Hi dear goanetters... while others go about discussion/debates. we'll start something for the Lighter Side!! Do Join inLets have some fun!! Who Said to Whom?? answer the following "As one of those who went ballistic over both the gratuitous change as well as the decisionmaking process, I'm glad you have regained control of the asylum." Clue: comments made on goanet during recent past. Cheers, Seb PS: Answer next week...
[Goanet]Upkar Khorun 'REQUEST'
Mr. Lino, I have already sent him this ringtone yesterday. Regards, Luis Rodrigues Dubai, U.A.E __ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your friends 'n family snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://in.photos.yahoo.com
[Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP - June 29, 2005!
Mhunntat ki vell soglleo mavo pusta, punn khorench to fokot mirieo vaddoita. (They say that time erases all scars but it just increases the wrinkles.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet] How did science begin?
--- "Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >*--Your statements are as good as mine, because you >are repeating them without understanding (or trying to >understand) the point in question. > Fr. Ivo, Here are the points that I want to make in response to your latest post under this thread. 1. No other subject can replace science in providing rational explanations for natural phenomena. If you know of any, please tell me about it with proper justifications. 2. An agnostic cannot be, by any stretch of imagination, considered to be absolutizing anything. Such a person, by definition, claims not to know many things, not the least of which is the absolute truth. 3. Biology and neuroscience tell us that the body and mind do not function after death. There is no evidence to indicate that any kind of functional entity survives the death of the body. The mind/soul has been shown to be entirely the product of brain activity. It dies with the brain. 4. Arent you absolutizing your knowledge by claiming to know that there are limits to science? Are there limits to the knowledge of your faith? 5. Why does your dogma have to describe reality? Why cant it describe fantasy? How do you distinguish between fantasy and reality, if you do not rely on objective evidence to validate your dogma? Dreams and fantasies are indispensable for human existence, as well. They are also witnessed by our universal experience. 6. How can an ancient text, which is static and cannot be revised, not be in conflict with something which is evolving? 7. I think by equating science with scientists, it is you who are committing an error. Science has nothing to do with the religious or non-religious beliefs of individual scientists. 8. There is currently no better method to evaluate rational explanations for natural phenomena than the scientific method. If you know of any, please let me know. And please provide proper justification for it. 9. You must have a very strange definition of ideology. What is your definition of ideology? 10. Please give me one example of a tenet of your faith that has been revised or renewed by "reflection" and "discernment", and please tell me why. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Just a suggestion: Why not a Goa University Press?
We have a difficulty in getting books on Goa published. There is a dearth of publishers here, who are willing to risk publishing books related to this small market. Why not have a Goa University Press? Last night, was reading on the Net how the Wits University in South Africa grew from a school on mining, into a full-fledged university and has a university press that is among the prestigious publishers on the region today. Just a thought... FN
[Goanet]Thanking note from Wilmarco Rodrigues-Abu Dhabi
Hi Lino, Deu Borem Khorum Tuka, Tujea sangnea orvim lokani Aikolem ani maka to ring tone pattaun dalo. Thank you very much. I have received it after you requested on the net. It was much appreciated big Bro Mog asum di Wilmarco Rodrigues Utorda/Abu Dhabi http://www.goa-world.com/goa/poems http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?config=gulf-goans_yahoogroups_com&restrict=&exclude=&words=Lino+B.+Dourado Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Point of clarifiation
Hi Santosh, Many thanks for your clarification. I now understand the point you were making. Regards, Cornel - Original Message - From: "Santosh Helekar" Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Willie, a casteist ? What BULL.! --- cornel wrote: Hi Santosh, I am not clear as to exactly what you are asking in your question. Please can you clarify the point you are making. Cornel, It appears to me that Antonio's rhetorical question constitutes a generalization which suggests that certain individuals cannot be anticasteists just because they were born into a certain caste. I am wondering whether this in itself cannot be regarded as a casteist generalization. I think a true anticasteist would be completely blind to caste. S/he would never refer to anybody's caste, and never stereotype anybody based on his/her caste. S/he would never attribute by generalization any kind of limitation or behavioral trait, such as the inability to become an anticasteist, to any person, by referring to the fact that s/he belongs to a particular caste, and by virtue of it. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet]ComputersInGoa: Running software ... off your thumb drive
--- "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you want to get inputs from the world of IT and > GNU/Linux in > Goa, please check out the lists below: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/csi-goa and > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ilug-goa and > http://ilug-goa.swiki.net > UbuntuLinux appears to be good too - not only it is free in the real sense of the word, but they send you the CDs (Live and Install) free of charge. I have placed an "order" for a few of these last week, and have yet to receive them. However, I downloaded the iso format image (approx 630MB) and created my own CD via Nero. The Live CD boots up UbuntuLinux straight from the CD (you must ensure that the option to boot up from CD precedes bootup from Hard Drive first, though, in the PC startup configuration), without affecting the underlying O/S. Loading is slow, as is to be expected as it boots up and runs from CD, and presents you with a Gnome interface. The CD also has OpenOffice on it, so you can run the s/ware from there. I haven't explored it much other than to see if it works on my laptop - and it did perfectly. Only thing I couldn't get to work is the wireless card, though it recognised the card. UbuntuLinux is at http://ubuntulinux.org/ Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Australia. Do you Yahoo!? Try Yahoo! Photomail Beta: Send up to 300 photos in one email! http://au.photomail.mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Chance v/s Choice
Antonio Menezes wrote: The question , therefore, should be : '' Can a bamon ever become an anticasteist ? '' Can a human being fight for animal rights? Can a man fight against gender discrimination towards women? Can a heterosexual fight for gay rights? Can a Caucasian fight against discrimination on basis of skin colour? One's caste is an accident of birth. One might accept it or ignore it. But one does not have choice of choosing one's caste. Deciding to fight caste-based discrimination is a choice everyone one has, regardless of their caste. Cheers! Cecil =
[Goanet]Re: NT Editorial - 29 June, 2005 - COMMENTS
Strengthening the Roots NT-Editorial-2 June, 2005 In all that political turbulence that this state has witnessed over the past several months, few of us have had the time to think whether democracy in real terms is taking shape at the grassroots level. It is by now an established fact that politics at the apex level can only get worse and worse owning to the lack of popular control over switchover of sides by individual politicians. It is clear that things cannot change unless democratic forces are strengthened at the lowest level - in other words, in the villages. A change has taken place in government; but there is little hope that the new government would accelerate the decentralization of power down to the panchayat level in order to strengthen the panchayats. The panchayats in Goa, as in several other states, except Rajasthan and som pockets in West Bengal, have been denied their promised powers. The apex politicians and bureaucrats have been extremely reluctant to devolve powers to them, although they never tire of firing off speeches advocating strengthening the grassroots democracy. The panchayats have to be empowered for consolidation of democracy in the first place, since without that there is no possibility of involvement of people in the development process. They cannot be used merely as an extension of the governance at the apex level. The tragedy is that instead of panchayats influencing the apex level politics, it is the other way round. In view of very little independence and economic power, the panchayat leaders get aligned with this or that political party. The normal trend among them is to align with the ruling party so that they could obtain favours of the ministers and bureaucrats at the apex level and demonstrate to the people that they have delivered benefits to the people. No wonder, with every change in the political complexion of the government , some of the panchayat leaders switch their loyalty to the ruling party. Unless powers are devolved down to the grassroots, this kind of political corruption will continue. In order to create a better system of governance, we have to work toward devolution of power. In the United States and West Europe, local city and village councils enjoy a great deal of power. There are areas defined in which their decision is final. Our own state Goa has already turned into a one large city. The villages are being fast urbanized. Yet the characteristic thing about society here is that a number of people still live in their native village homes. They commute to their workplace in town by private vehicles or public transport but they go back to their village after work. There is need therefore to develop the panchayats as well as the municipal councils as democratic institutions where the problems of the urbanizing rural Goans could be identified and solutions discussed and found. People of villages and towns must have powers through their elected representatives to make plans for the development. Recently in UP, a civil servant passed orders granting land to some agency ignoring the panchayat, but the panchayat officials fought back and ultimately the court had to intervene to decide in favour of the panchayats. The legislators and bureaucrats have to give up their resistance in the interest of consolidation of democracy at the grassroots. The panchayats have a constitutional status and it is everybody's duty to work towards giving these institutions what the law provides. Perhaps a beginning could be made by decentralizing powers in the water and sanitation, rainwater harvesting and epidemic prevention programmes. The panchayati raj was granted official status through an Act of Parliament nearly twelve years ago. But powers have not yet passed into the panchayats' hands. Their powers, instead of expanding, have been clipped; the elected executive and the bureaucracy have shown a negative attitude toward devolution of powers; in several cases the state government has encouraged parallel bodies for work that was meant to be done by the grassroots institutions. Due to the fact that the state governments have been reluctant to divest its powers, the panchayat bodies have ended up at best being agencies of implementation for their decisions. And there is no particular party which has stood in the way of the devolution of powers. All political parties have not gone beyond paying lip service to devolution. Across the country, there are 240,000 panchayats, 6000 intermediate level tiers and 500 district panchayats. They are but showpieces without state governments divesting their powers to them. Comments: by: Floriano Lobo goasuraj Very well said. Devolution of powers as stipulated in the 73rd and 74th. amendments of the constitution are far away from being executed. But one must realize that the Panchayat Raj Act 1994 itself is not a complete and refined document. Each state is left to the liberty of refining it. As the Panchayat Raj Act stan
Re: [Goanet]Re: Freedom Fighters.
The issue here is hate-speech, both Veronica and 'Bernardo' have vaulted that line. There are "Christian" states that would have stripped them of their citizenship, and i suspect Mr. Macao is not one to start with: to borrow from him - innit !! Veronica can worship in an Indian temple, he may not be present at 'Lebanese' Mass in a Kuwait church. Hitler was preceeded and backed by a vanguard of Goebbels, Doctor Mengellas and Speers. It is a tragedy that we are compelled to offer our fascists a forum they simply do not deserve.eric. --- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- "A. Veronica Fernandes" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Let it be known to everyone and to everywhere in > the Goan World that for the good cause of Goa > > only the Christians worked and fought hard though > the benefits of their hard work and hard > > fought battles were enjoyed by those who were > watching from distance silently. > > > The liberty to post on Goanet should not be treated > as a license to post bigoted fiction based on > religious chauvinism. Apologies to non-Christian > members of this forum who had to read the post > above. > > Regards, > George > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]wanted furnished 2 bedrm Apartment
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RE: [Goanet]Politically incorrect metaphors
From: Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Politically incorrect metaphors Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:13:59 +0530 Gabriel de Figueiredo wrote: "Lohia will be rolling in his grave." --- 1) Lohia was cremated. He's more probably 'churning in his urn'. 2) Many Christians (and people of other religions where the dead are buried) are also preferring cremation to burial. So can someone suggest a more generic, non-denominational and politically correct metaphor to replace the oft-used 'rolling in his grave'. Cheers! Cecil == Dear disseminating Cecil1 How would you then explain the admonishment we receive after our carnival orgies, from the Rev. on Ash Wednesday: Form ashes thou came; and to ashes shall thou return... Bamon Alfred
[Goanet]Thousands mob beach in 'diamond' rush
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050629/od_nm/india_diamonds_dc_1 An excerpt from the article above: Thousands of people have been flocking to a beach in India's financial hub in a manic diamond rush, but police said Wednesday the stones were fakes and warned them to stay away after one treasure hunter was drowned.
Re: [Goanet]Chance v/s Choice
> Antonio Menezes wrote: > The question , therefore, should be : '' Can a bamon > ever become an anticasteist ? '' > Mario asks: Antonio, with all due respect, your question is so ridiculous and illogical that I am curious as to whether you want to explain yourself in more detail. How does anyone's situation at birth, from a womb that one has no control over, affect what they think as adults?
RE: [Goanet]Politically incorrect metaphors
--- Alfred de Tavares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear disseminating Cecil, > > How would you then explain the admonishment we > receive after our carnival orgies, from the Rev. on Ash > Wednesday: Form ashes thou came; and to ashes shall > thou return... > Mario opines: Bamon Alfred, what is there to explain? Even our atheist friends should agree with this admonishment. Regarding your carnival orgies, please forward dates, times and locations. >
Re: [Goanet] How did science begin?
>From Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> --- "Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >*--Your statements are as good as mine, because you
> >are repeating them without understanding (or trying
> to >understand) the point in question.
> > >
> 1. No other subject can replace science in providing
> rational explanations for natural phenomena. If you
> know of any, please tell me about it with proper
> justifications.
> *--That is precisely what I am saying: Bible does not provide scientific
explanation of natural phenomena. It gives the ultimate meaning of human
existence--God of love who has created Man and wishes to live in communion
with him. Empirical Science gives empirical explanation, it cannot replace
metaphysics, ethics and theology...
> 2. An agnostic cannot be, by any stretch of
> imagination, considered to be absolutizing anything.
> Such a person, by definition, claims not to know many
> things, not the least of which is the absolute truth.
> *--Absolutely wrong. The "agnostic" scientist absolutizes his scientific
knowledge as comprehending the whole Reality. Hence for him Science explains
the whole reality (the "absolute truth").
> 3. Biology and neuroscience tell us that the body and
> mind do not function after death. There is no evidence
> to indicate that any kind of functional entity
> survives the death of the body. The mind/soul has been
> shown to be entirely the product of brain activity. It
> dies with the brain.
> *--This is the limit of your scientific knowledge. Theology tells us that
there is life after death, a new life (resurrection of bodies). It is not
annihilation, but restoration and transformation of Man and of the
Universe...
> 4. Aren't you absolutizing your knowledge by claiming
> to know that there are limits to science? Are there
> limits to the knowledge of your faith?
>*--By definition, empirical Science is confined to empirical
experimentation. Therefore, it does not comprehend what goes beyond
empirical experimentation. It is clear from what I have said that Theology
respects the progress of Science, but it has responsibility in the
existential areas of human being.
> 5. Why does your dogma have to describe reality? Why
> can't it describe fantasy? How do you distinguish
> between fantasy and reality, if you do not rely on
> objective evidence to validate your dogma? Dreams and
> fantasies are indispensable for human existence, as
> well. They are also witnessed by our universal
> experience.
> *--What is "objective evidence" for you? Only scientific, experimental
proof? Are there not sciences besides empirical sciences? Dogma has rational
grounds. It is not fantasy. Whatever is witnessed by our universal
experience is not fantasy. Religion is a need of human being, an inner
dimension, it is not wishful thinking. Reason has its proofs also, which
cannot be in all fields subjected to empirical experimentation...
> 6. How can an ancient text, which is static and cannot
> be revised, not be in conflict with something which is
> evolving?
> *--There are immutable truths. Science will evolve, but truths of human
existence are immutable, corresponding to the immutable eessence of Man.
> 7. I think by equating science with scientists, it is
> you who are committing an error. Science has nothing
> to do with the religious or non-religious beliefs of
> individual scientists.
>*--This is precisely the point: Empirical Science alone cannot explain the
total Reality and satisfy human beings. This is your basic error. It does
not give answers about the ultimate meaning of life. Hence scientists have
to long for more...
> 8. There is currently no better method to evaluate
> rational explanations for natural phenomena than the
> scientific method. If you know of any, please let me
> know. And please provide proper justification for it.
> *--I have already repeated the rationale for my assertions. No science
has as its object all aspects of the world, of human existence and action.
While other scientists (natural scientists, psychologists, sociologists,
neuroscientists) are rightly concerned mainly with analyses of data, facts,
phenomena, operations, processes, energies, structures, developments, so the
theologian is rightly concerned with questions of ultimate (or primary)
interpretations, obejectives, values, ideals, norms, decisions, attitudes.
The questions of Theology affect the most fundamental of all aspects of what
constitutes Man and the world. From this one angle, Theology examines all
the strata of human existence and action. Theology does not claim any
complete, total possession of the truth, nor any monopoly of truth. It
claims only to be scholarly reflection on its object, with a neat method
appropriate to this object, the suitability of which, as in other sciences,
should be proved by results ("applied science")...
> 9. You must have a very strange definition of
> ideology. What is your definition of ideology?
>*--Ideology can
Re: [Goanet]Re: Freedom Fighters.
From: eric pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re: Freedom Fighters. Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 05:55:24 -0700 (PDT) The issue here is hate-speech, both Veronica and 'Bernardo' have vaulted that line. There are "Christian" states that would have stripped them of their citizenship, and i suspect Mr. Macao is not one to start with: to borrow from him - innit !! Veronica can worship in an Indian temple, he may not be present at 'Lebanese' Mass in a Kuwait church. Hitler was preceeded and backed by a vanguard of Goebbels, Doctor Mengellas and Speers. It is a tragedy that we are compelled to offer our fascists a forum they simply do not deserve.eric. My dear unworthy detractors of true Goan history and political evolution, The beads on the new, Luminous mysteries-included, rosary would hardly surfice to enumerate, my cherished and revered hindu friends and mentors, stalwart freedom fighters all... Most of them were not the registered 'freedom fighters' nor ever sought mercenary benefits... Shankar Bandhari, Mohan Karapurkar, Ravidra Kellekar, Laxman Rao Sardessai, several stout Dessais most lamentably departed all of them... Those amongst us: Gurunath Kellekar and many of his ilk also dito. Without these Goa would have been a (sub?) collectorate of Maharashtra ere long since, granted that any of the Maharashtrian colectorates are considerably larger, area- and populationwise, than Goa of the sixties. And, as many catholics. Why do so many fellow-netters find it so difficult to believe that there can not have been freedom fighters that neither cherished pompous fame/notoriety nor sought monetary gains? Willie is hardly unique in this category: Aloysius Soares, Armando Menezes, Edoardo Sousa, Sacru (Sally) Sobrinho, Isidorio Carvalho, Antonio Sequeira, among legion others, readily, and most nostalgically, spring to mind. If any doubt my claims, I can supply details, often of the Scarlet Pimpernel genre, about each and one of them. In fact, I think I will do so sometime. When Armando Menezes contested the South Goa Lok Sabha seat vs Erasmo Sequeira, he made Loutulim (his brother-in-law, Jose Torcato Sa's place) his headquarters. There I received first real awareness of democracy. Pukka gentleman that he was, Armando never attempted to win us over from our, often frenetical, United Goaness. On the contrary he willingly, with great gusto, coached us on how to drive the Maharahstrawaddis crazy, but using more Wodehousian antics than the bloody ones employed by the pre-Shiv Sena goondas that had been inflicted upon a rather unwilling Dayanand Bandodkar. Those were the days when the fledgling Navihind Times came out with three issues on a single day, the last one only released in the afternoon, with the editorial "A Dangerous Hoax". About Willie and Froilano Machado, I received independent corroboration from Professor Armando Menezes, as he remisced about eralier times. Armando, I distinctly reacall, mentioned both Willie and Froilano as having been prominent among the student activists at Darwar. The Vassant Molio (a good friend) freedom fighters are the once that we have most come to know. None of them joined our Margao to Cabo Rajnivas padyatra, organized by Shenkar and led by Ravindr or the jyoti (flame) that we carried through most of the MG bastions, the valliant Shabu Dessai leading. These two events more than any other, turned to tempo and tide in favour of "DON PANN'A". For the matter of record, Vassant Mollio should be required to give a public account of how he came about "his" printing press off the Station Rd, Margao. I have many such skeletons from many a cupboard at my call and recall. Beware! B'amon Alfred
[Goanet]Ubuntu Linux Cds Avalable in Goa for Free
Hello, Just a short note to inform everybody that I have a few Ubuntu Linux Cds that can be given out for free to anybody that desires. I wrote to Ubuntu in Jan and received 20 cds for free. Since then, I've passed on some of it to my friends, who have appreciated the free GNU/Linux operating system and free software. I just have the last 4 cds which are designed for Intel x86 processor machines and 1 cd for AMD64bit machines, so hurry, those of you who want a free copy. The Free Cds will be made available at my shop in Margao for those who are interested. Mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call me at 9822123535 before you decide to collect your cds. Clinton..
Re: [Goanet]Freedom Fighters.
A. Veronica Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "sadly I was surprised there were no hindus from Goa);" . Let it be known to everyone and to everywhere in the Goan World t>hat for the good cause of Goa only the Christians worked and fought hard though the benefits of their hard work and hard >fought battles were enjoyed by those who were watching from distance silently. -- First of all, I am not surprised to see this hate mail against the decent majority community of Goa on Goanet which is common and disgusting. This is expected on Goanet forum, where facts are sometimes twisted. Let it be known to everyone that if the majority community were not tolerant or agreeable to the demands made by the minority community (30% of Goans), Konkani or Statehood would not have happened. We have Konkani and Statehood because majority of Goans wanted it and not only because of Catholics. Regards, Carlos
[Goanet]Introducing a pioneering Goan
Dear fellow netters, Meet young Romualdo de Souza. Not to be confused with Romualdo de Sousa, s.j., Goa's educationist emeritus. However, his nephew and godchild. Also Willie's nephew. Also aunt, Sr Noemia (Nirmala Niketan) and uncle, Michael, are educators. Michael was the principal of St Michael's, Anjuna. Romualdo's father Orlando is not generally kown in Goa, but retired as a senior vice-president of Exxon, having headed their aviation fuel division, among other divisions. As such he helped build airports, large and small, around the world over many years. My reason for this introduction is that I think where Professor Phillip, Gabriel de Figueiredo and other netters who take such keen interest in the Goa's existing airport as well as the prospective one, to interact with Orlando, [EMAIL PROTECTED], the result would be mutually beneficial. Orlando and Frances live in -- where else-- Dallas, Texas. Alfred de Tavares, Stockholm, 2005-06-29 Saturday, June 25, 2005 3:58 PM Web-based teaching method at IU being used for high school chemistry by Steve Hinnefeld 331-4374 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Romualdo de Souza created the Web-based instructional system known as CALM almost a decade ago as a way to teach introductory chemistry to large numbers of Indiana University students. But he thinks it is even better suited to high schools, where its individualized approach can turn students on to the challenge and sense of accomplishment of learning about science. "You want them to come out of high school excited about learning and with the tools to learn new content," said de Souza, a nuclear chemist and professor of chemistry at IU. CALM - an acronym for Computer Assisted Learning Method - lets students sit down at a computer and work on science problems at their own speed. They get immediate feedback on whether they're solving the problems. Typically, they can keep working until they get it right. Guided by IU faculty and staff, a handful of high-school teachers began using the method three years ago. Last year it had spread to 40 schools across Indiana and was used by 3,000 students. Additional teachers were on campus this week to learn about the system. CALM veterans were also there, learning new features and helping align the database of problems with Indiana's standards for high-school chemistry. Subscriber's registration: advertise here "Our hope is we will be expanding this," said Brian White, a Lawrence North High School chemistry teacher who brought two colleagues to a CALM workshop. De Souza developed the approach in 1996, when he was teaching introductory chemistry at IU. Other chemistry faculty soon began using it for their intro-level courses. Students log on to the system and work through a list of problems assigned by their teachers. Teachers can select the problems and questions to fit with the topics and level of difficulty they've been teaching. At it's best, CALM makes use of the Socratic method, offering leading questions to guide students through problem-solving exercises. "Math and science is problem- solving," de Souza said. "If you don't solve the problems, you haven't learned the material." The problems include everything from multiple-choice and true-or-false questions to multistage problems in which students must get each step right before moving on. Teachers say it's the instant feedback that makes the method effective. Under the pencil-and-paper system for doing practice problems, students must wait for feedback until their teacher finds time to grade and return their work. Holiday World: advertise here "In the old system, they might be taking a test without having had any feedback on their homework," White said. The program generates individual problems for each student, so students can't copy someone else's answers. They talk with classmates about how to solve problems, not just what the answer is, said Cheryl McLean, a Westfield High School teacher who has used the method for three years. While many students like the method, not all do. "Some students don't like it because it holds them accountable," White said. De Souza said CALM doesn't replace teachers. In fact, in empowers teachers by helping them keep track of how students are progressing. Teachers can customize the program, even write their own problems. IU provides the program to schools free of charge, but there are costs - covered so far by the chemistry department, the College of Arts and Sciences and the Bloomington campus - to developing and maintaining it and training teachers. The development team includes chemistry department instructional programs and lab coordinators and two computer programmers. With the effort now under way to align the problems with state standards, de Souza hopes the state finds a way to fund the program so it can expand further. CALM requires access to the Internet, but teachers say that's less and less of an issue. Students who don't have computers can print t
Re: [Goanet]Re: Liberation theology , Marxism
Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All the Soviets would have achieved was to replace > right-wing totalitarians with left-wing > totalitarians, > as we saw in Cuba, whose prisons make Abu Ghraib and > Gitmo look like Boy Scout camps according some of my > Cuban friends who have had family members imprisoned > there. Just a couple of years ago they executed > about 25 journalists and political opponents for > Christ's sake. Mario, The majority of the people here are Catholic. The last sentence above was unnecessary. If you want to use such language in your posts, I suggest that you join other groups that will be more receptive to your low standards. Mervyn3.0 There comes a time when a Catholic has got to stand up and be counted. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Wille a casteist? what bull...
I have seen that many people are so casteist, that they cannot see or recognize someone who is not a casteist. For their eyes, every and all behaviour is casteist behaviour or comes for a root cause which is then somehow linked to the person's caste. May be to see a non-casteist, there must be a hint of non-casteism in the beholder him/herself. In other words, at least a bit of an open mind... regards, Samir Kelekar --- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Hi Santosh, >I am not clear as to exactly what you are asking in >your question. Please can you clarify the point you >are making. > >Cornel, It appears to me that Antonio's rhetorical question constitutes a generalization which suggests that certain individuals cannot be anticasteists just because they were born into a certain caste. I am wondering whether this in itself cannot be regarded as a casteist generalization. I think a true anticasteist would be completely blind to caste. S/he would never refer to anybody's caste, and never stereotype anybody based on his/her caste. S/he would never attribute by generalization any kind of limitation or behavioral trait, such as the inability to become an anticasteist, to any person, by referring to the fact that s/he belongs to a particular caste, and by virtue of it. Cheers, >Santosh
[Goanet]State of Health Infrastructure in Goa - Part 1
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- --- Govt. yet to decide on conversion of TB sanatorium to district hospital --- As the century-old T B Sanatorium atop Monte Hill is crumbling for want of maintenance, the government appears confused whether to utilise the hospital's area for the proposed district hospital or continue housing the T B inmates in the sanatorium after due repairs. "I would fix up a meeting with the Chief Minister, Pratapsing Rane to decide on the matter", disclosed Power Minister, Digambar Kamat, indicating the present dispensation is open for review of the decision taken by the previous BJP regime to set up a district hospital at the city outskirts. Kamat, who along with the Director of Health Services, Dr Arvind Salelkar, inspected the collapsed portion of the T B sanatorium on Tuesday morning, said the PWD has prepared Rs 18 lakh estimate for repairs of the hospital roofing. He, however, hastened that the repairs would take place only after the government takes a final decision on the very future of the building. Replying to a question, Kamat said the BJP government had decided in principle to set up the district hospital at the northern entrance to the city following resistance from certain quarters. "Some groups had expressed reservations on the idea of housing the district hospital at Monte Hill on grounds that it would result in traffic congestion, besides causing hardships to the public to travel on the hillock", he said. Kamat said the government can review the earlier decision, taking into account that land at the T B hospital is freely available, while acquisition of the huge chunk of land would consume considerable time. When his attention was drawn to the fact that the Sanatorium is collapsing, Kamat said "the problem is indeed massive. There's leakage of water; the rafters are crumbling", adding "the entire structure requires wholesome repairs". Director of Health Services, Dr Salelkar attributed the sorry state of affairs of the Sanatorium building to delay in preparing the estimates. Meanwhile, a visit to the hospital revealed that there's water seepage in the male ward, housing around three patients. Outside, the false ceiling appeared weak, even as hospital employees informed that a portion of the roof collapsed just two days ago. Given the situation, the Power Minister has issued instructions to the hospital to immediately shift the 46 inmates to a ward having RCC structure. HERALD 29/06/05 page 5 === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy ===
[Goanet]Re: *** Goanet News * June 28, An acute shortage of school teachers has hit the functioning
"An acute shortage of school teachers has hit the functioning of government primary schools in Goa. Government will recruit 110 teachers in the first phase. (H) Ironically, in recent years, the government primary schools were hit by an acute shortage of students, leading to many being handed over by the- previous BJP government, allegedly to RSS-front organisations. There is a clear mismatch between the teachers available and where they are needed. " The Good Goanet News should be providing solution to the issue of the problem. There are plenty of untapped resources available in Goa. Contact me for further information if you so desire to be a partner in progress. - Angelo. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet]Emailing: stories
Tsunami relief: Churchill gives Rs 10 lakh from MPLAD fund NT News Service Margao June 28: The South Goa member of parliament (MP), Mr Churchill Alemao today donated Rs 10 lakh from the member of parliament local area development (MPLAD) fund towards relief, rehabilitation and reconstruction projects in the tsunami-affected areas of Andaman and Nicobar islands. Mr Alemao announced about the donation during a meeting held between the South Goa MP and councillors delegation of the Margao municipal council led by the newly elected chairperson, Ms Doris Texeira in Margao, this evening. The Power Minister, Mr Digamber Kamat was also present. The proposals that Mr Alemao agreed to sanction under the MPLAD fund include the development of open space for recreational purpose by way of constructing a badminton and a volleyball court along with an amusement park for children at wards number six and four represented by councillors, Mr Savio Coutinho and Mr Damu Naik. Other proposals cleared include a drain at housing board colony at Gogol under ward number 3, drains and open space development in ward number 16, represented by Mr Tadev Dias, three culverts and drains in ward number seven and construction of a park near Milagres Church and Zarifond at Chandrawado, under the MPLAD scheme. Those present at the meeting included only the Congress-backed councillors. The rest were conspicuous by their absence.
[Goanet]Re: Goa University Press
Fred: An excellent suggestion for a Goa University Press. Most prestigious universities have their own presses - the Oxford University Press has a world- wide reputation of its own, quite apart from that of the University of which it forms a part. However, the running of a press requires professional competence and one is hardly encouraged by the reputation of Goa University in this regard. ---Tony Correia-Afonso.
[Goanet]A VERY GREAT LEAP FORWARD
China: the government and Holy See ordain a bishop jointly for the first time CHINA - VATICAN China: the government and Holy See ordain a bishop jointly for the first time Shanghai (AsiaNews) 28 June, 2005 - Mgr Giuseppe Xing Wenzhi, 42 years, was today ordained auxiliary bishop of Shanghai. The prelate said publicly that he received the nomination of the Holy See. In future, he will able to take the place of Mgr Aloysius Jin Luxian, who is now nearly 90 and very ill. Mgr Xing studied in the United States and until today, he was vicar-general of the diocese. With this move, the Chinese government hopes to find a way of healing the rift between the underground - unofficial - Church and the official Church, which is recognised and registered by the government. For the Chinese government, accepting a bishop recognised by the Holy See, means setting a single point of reference for the official and underground communities. The acceptance of a bishop nominated by the Holy See is a gain even for the Vatican, because Beijing is acknowledging that links between the Vatican and a bishop do not signify unwarranted interference in China's internal affairs and do not threaten the security of the state. The joint nomination is a victory for Catholic Chinese: in recent years, bishops nominated by the government but not by the Holy See have been ever more marginalised and even scorned by Christian communities, which refuse to participate in their ceremonies, even their funerals. The problem of freedom of worship in China remains open for all the Catholic Church and especially for the diocese of Shanghai. It is not yet known how much freedom the government will be able to offer the new bishop: if he will have the freedom to lead pastoral and evangelisation activities; if the seminary of Shanghai will be able to invited foreign professors and how many; if the bishop will have the opportunity of a free relationship with the pontiff and the universal church; if the current underground bishop of Shanghai Mgr Joseph Fan Zhongliang, will also have full freedom to meet his faithful (for years, Mgr Fan's home has been under surveillance).AsiaNews sources in Shanghai confirm that some of the faithful are very happy about the nomination, which could finally repair ties between the Church and the government. Others have voiced doubts about the personality of Mgr Xing, held to be too weak to resist government pressures and controls.
[Goanet]Science, Religion and Theolgy
Science, Religion and Theology The current discussions on this topic suffer from definitions. Fr. Ivo uses terms such as ³Truth¹ (capital T) and ³truth² (small t), ³objective truth,² Reality (capital R) ³greater reality,² without defining them. Facts are not the same thing as reality (even in small r), and they are not the same thing as truth (even in capital T). Seeking meaning is an experiential exercise, which varies from individual to individual. The attempts to institutionalize meaning, particularly in contemporary culture, are an exercise in futility. Meaning is not the domain of science; most people seek to make sense of life and life-events. As long as we as human beings seek to make sense/seek meaning of life and life-events there will be religion. Victor Frankel has, to my mind, very eloquently, made a case for the search for meaning. I think science, and particularly neuro-science, will greatly illuminate this dimension of human life; but may not exhaust the understanding of the human quest for meaning. A respectful dialogue between Science and Religion is a sine qua non, because one illuminates the other. One does not replace the other. They are like two rivers, which flow parallel to each other; they may not meet, but they certainly influence each other. The conversation between the two rivers must go on respect to all parties involved. It is a conversation steeped in humility; but it is a vibrant conversation. For too long these two rivers were flowing far apart and almost in contempt of each other. Fortunately, due to pain-staking efforts of the scientists and "religionists" these two rivers are now two long last siblings, who still have to learn how to get along with each other. Science begins with the bits and pieces and moves towards an understanding of the whole, while religion begins with an understanding of the whole and assigns meaning to the parts. I consider both essential to any creative process and for majority of the people. What is religion? It is very difficult to define in a manner that would be universally accepted. Herbert Spencer defined as ³a hypothesis to render the universe comprehensible.² I. Kant would say that it ³the recognition of all our duties as divine commands.² Matthew Arnold defines religion as ³morality touched with emotion.² And Ames would say that religion is ³consciousness of the highest social values.² I find Clifford Geertz definition most comprehensive: ³ a system of symbols which acts to establish powerful, pervasive, and long lasting moods and motivations in men by formulating conceptions of a general order of existence and clothing these conceptions with such an aura of factuality that the moods and motivations seem uniquely realistic.² In the discussions on this topic it appears that each writer has his own understanding of what religion is. It would be very helpful if Fr. Ivo would let us know his definition of religion, thus his writings would give the reader a proper perspective. Sometimes there is a confusion between explaining and defining what religion is. Theology is not the same thing as religion. Theology simply serves a particular religious tradition. Theologies abound and evolve. Liberation Theology came out of a particular socio-political, economic, military, and cultural-historical context. It was provocative. Recently, Gustavo Gutierez, the father of the LT, reflecting on the LT assessed that the realities on ground have changed; however the poor remain poor, and therefore they call for a different theological reflection. Liberation Theology served a terrific purpose in waking up the oppressive powers, and giving a sense of dignity and purpose to the poorest of the poor, if not bread and butter; and now it has evolved into a theology of communion/solidarity. The perception that Bible is a book a science/facts/history is based in some reality. For centuries Bible has been presented as a book of fact and science (as understood then). Only in the last 50 years or so the Bible in the Catholic/Episcopalian/Lutheran Tradition is not being presented as a book of science or facts, but as Fr. Ivo indicated in one of his posts, as the book of the story (not history) of God¹s love to humanity. Only very recently the official organ of the Vatican, after many decades of the persistent efforts by the biblical scholars, recognized the value in the historico-critical method to study and understand the Bible. Basilio Monteiro
[Goanet]JaZZ night at Starters & More
Dear Jazzlover, Starters & More has been featuring some great local as well as international JaZZ artistes on the first Wednesday of every month. Good food, great company, cool ambience and brilliant performances have made these JaZZ nights the most looked forward to live JaZZ event in Mumbai. On the 6th of July Starters & More proudly present the band that started it all at Starters & More: JAZZ JUNCTION This band has been fronted by quite a few internationally accomplished singers and soloists and this time round the featured artistes are established Canadian JaZZ artistes with Indian origins: Nandita Dias...Vocals and Giovanni Pereira...Saxophone Graduates of world reknowned Humbur JaZZ college in Toronto along with: Salome Rebello...Vocals Lenny Heredia...Keyboards Colin DCruz...Bass Lester Godinho...Drums Please do spread the word & bring all your friends. JaZZ musicians are welcome to jam with Jazz Junction in the course of the evening. We look forward to seeing you for yet another enjoyable JaZZ night out on Wednesday 6th of July 2005. As usual there will be no cover charge. If youd like a table reserved for the evening - please call Prema on 98211 40611 or Carmo on 98216 35055. >>> live jazz promoted by http://www.jazzgoa.com <<< __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
[Goanet]AAI CUTS DEAL WITH IAF, CUTTING GOA OUT
In a recent post we have noted that the Airports Authority of India (AAI) has offered to compensate Indian Air Force (IAF) for concessions at Pune's Lohegaon airport.This takes the form of potential concessions by AAI in border areas like Gujarat and the North East though no specific airports in Gujarat have been named. This arrangement amounts to an ad hoc deal considering that the military has nearly 30 bases (such as Pune and Goa) where there are civil enclaves. Most of these would be air force bases with Goa being the sole exception on the Navy side. The Air Force thus has more incentives to bargain with the AAI (which controls 90 other airports) than the Navy. Goa is out in the cold as a result. In addition, the Civil Aviation Minister is from Maharashtra as is his NCP party chief Sharad Pawar the Agriculture Minsiter. It is no surprise that Maharashtra is well endowed with airport construction/modernisation projects (four including two in Mumbai, one in Pune and one in Nagpur). North Goa's Mopa airport project can also be viewed as potentially Maharashtra-oriented. The only take away in the short term for us may be that the jointness between military and civilian agencies we have been calling for may be finally occurring though on an informal, ad hoc basis. This has to be converted into a systematic and urgent review on a comprehensive basis i.e. including Goa where civilian needs are great. Some vigorous lobbying in cyber space may be called for to achieve this goal.
