[Goanet] Sania marches into Forest Hills finals
Sania marches into Forest Hills finals August 27, 2005 10:40 IST India's Sania Mirza crushed the challenge of Alexa Glatch of the United States in the semi-final of the Forest Hills Women's Tennis Classic in New York to advance into her second WTA final on Friday. The 18-year-old, seeded third, beat Glatch 6-4, 6-4 to enter the final of Tier IV event without dropping a set. Sania, the highest remaining seed, will meet Lucie Safarova of theCzech Republic in the final on Saturday. Safarova beat compatriot Iveta Benesova 2-6, 6-1, 6-4. Sania won her first title at the Hyderabad Open earlier this year, when she beat Ukraine's Alyona Bondarenko. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
[Goanet] Re: Roman script Konkani.... new form
Eugene Correia wrote on 25.08.2005: > Even the late Prof. Lourdino Rodrigues advocated > devnagiri script, and the TSKK published his work in > that script. Jorge: Is it Prof. Lourdino Rodrigues or Prof. Lucio Rodrigues? Eugene: Prof Lourdino Rodrigues from Santa Cruz. To the best of my knowledge Prof. Lucio didn't write in Konkani. The Dalgado Konkani Academy had published a small booklet on Roman orthography many years ago. It's obvious now that this one is no longer relevant. I don't know how many netters have seen or have a copy of Konkani Ord Xastra (maybe my spelling is incorrect) written by Prof. Antonio Fernandes (not sure if I got the name correctly). He was called "professor" because, I believe, he taught at the Rachol Seminary. I had mentioned this to Tomazinho Cardozo during one few meetings at the NRI Meet at the Kala Academy. He wanted a copy of it. Unfortunately, the copy is at a different location than I am currently at. I think I also talked about the professore's small booklet with Fr. Mathew Almeida, when he came to Toronto, more in passing than its merits and demerits in the context of present-day Konkani. Since the structure of Roman script Konkani has undergone changes over the last decade or so, Konkani Ord Xastra would not meet the present qualifications. It could be dismissed as "old Konkani". The late Prof. George Mark Moraes paid a glowing tribute to Prof. Fernandes in an article in The Examiner under the heading, Konkani Man of Letters. I think I mentioned about Prof. Fernandes before on this forum. I had requested his daughter to get his works published, but she said that her brother was in possession of his papers. It's hard sometimes to convince people that publishing a learned man's material for the common good of the community is better than hanging on to such works for whatever personal reasons. In the context of the new form of Roman script Konkani, I would have loved to hear the views of Prof. Olivinho Gomes. Has any journalist approached him for his views? If not, could some of the journos on this forum get Prof. Gomes to talk. It would be nice to have an all-round debate on the subject that's hot issue now. Eugene Correia Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet] We continue with our ... about WORLD GOA DAY !
88 >From a posting on Goanet ( Thursday/Friday ?) RECENT ITEMS OF PARTICULAR INTEREST ON GOANET. BY CORNEL DACOSTA Amidst the hype and excitement about World Goa Day and about its origins ... --- : ) and the * hype * continues ! in any case , WORLD GOA DAY , is here to stay! News OF WORLD GOA DAY events from around the GOANWORLD 00 SUNDAY : Assagao 28th August , 2005 http://oheraldo.in/taxonomy/term/11 ooo I believe that the Chief Minister of Goa , Pratapsingh Rane , Dyp.Cm. Dr. Wilfred D Souza , ex CM.Parikar , Wendell , Alexyz , Joel will be joining many other dignitaries ..in this unique WORLD GOAN EVENT of the Year , The WORLD GOA DAY event organized by Ethel da Costa in Goa ! If I had only known about this event earlier ... I might have flown to be present there. I hear that half page adverts have appeared in the local Goan papers ? Please correct me if I am wrong. Please do join me in wishing the organizers all the best on this event on Sunday the 28th of August.You may wish to send your MESSAGES of support to the organizers ..via Goanet. ... Still in Goa : I believe that Sweet Chillies , a Restaurant in Sinqulim -Goa. is also organizing a WORLD GOA DAY event on Sunday , 28th of August, 2005.from 9.oo pm. If any one in Goa has more news about these events and has the time to make a post re; these events on Goanet - I would appreciate it very much. and the WORLD GOA DAY ..hy : -)continues : Eddie Fernandes , the Editor of the Goan Voice Uk., has this to say on Goan Voice Uk - today.: World Goa Day, Rene Barreto's grand baby, was celebrated around the world on 20 Aug. and the ringing continues. This year Mozambique and Brazil joined the fray. The website is http://www.goaday.com/ for many more postings on WORLD GOA DAY read the ever popular emag: The Goan Voice UK @ : http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/ Nice to see a pretty face - assisting GoanVoice UK/ Canada. Congratulations ! * Sneha Bandekar, [EMAIL PROTECTED] has done M.Sc in IT (Information Technology). She joined GoaCom in June 2005. Since then she has been designing, programming, updating as well as releasing the Newsletters for GoanVoice Canada.* Yes - We have TOGETHER made a BIG difference to the GOANWORLD , we have shun-ed the negatives and Focused on the Positives ...WE have MADE IT HAPPEN ! The GOAN COMMUNITY has become more Positive .. we will keep you informed of the many Partnership projects which we will get involved. In the meantime - let's not forget our PARTNERSHIP projects of 1.An email address for every Goan wherever s/he maybe. (Goanet and St. Xaviers College supported project. ) YOU too can join this project - Its not MINE its OURS. 2.Take a Football - when you travel to Goa Give it to some one in your Village.This project is also a Goanet / Indian Football Supporters Club supported project. more to come ... .. rene barreto WORLD GOA DAY : Community Electronic Album: http://community.webshots.com/album/424198229VyxOvH The WORLD GOA DAY events for this week end. 888 o 27th of August , 2005 oo WORLD GOA DAY_USA -NEW YORK Friends of Goa - New York New York Goans are celebrating World Goa Day 27th of August , 2005 Viva Goa! Hercules Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] == 27th of August , 2005 o WORLD GOA DAY_CANADA --MISSISSAUGA BONDERAM FESTIVAL AND WORLD GOA DAY- MISSISSAUGA HI RENE, THE BONDERAM FESTIVAL AND WORLD GOA DAY WILL BE CELEBRATED BY THE DIVAR ASSOCIATION OF CANADA ON 27TH AUGUST 2005 AT STREETSVILLE KINSMEN CLUB MISSISSAUGA BEST REGARDS MAURICE COUTINHO PRESIDENT oo 28th of August , 2005 oo WORLD GOA DAY_USA -NEW YORK GOANS OF USA ---NEW YORK NEW YORK Sunday, August 28, 2005 at 10:00am Lake Sebago Beach - Harriman State Park, NY. 000 ooo 28TH AUGUGST 2005 WORLD GOA DAY_AUSTRALIA Hi there, You are invited to join us in celebrating Club de Goa's 3rd "World Goa Day". Date; Sunday, 28th August Venue: "Kidspace" on Murphy Road (Chermside) Hope to see you there. Deo borem kourum, Joy de Souza President , Club de Goa Tara
[Goanet] RE: NIIT not to be confused with the elite IIT
Dear Carmo, You can help me by signing my below petition & passing on this to more konkani people you know & people who love konkani, As we do not have any strong political leader from our Konkani community who will help konkani people i am finding it difficult to fight against NIIT http://www.PetitionOnline.com/ukamath1/petition.html FYI my complaint was first published in goasu-raj.org a political party from goa which i presume is for konkani people. In order to develop Goa we have to first seperate it from India . There are lots of talented people in our konkani community (hindu, christian, Muslim) but we don't have a strong religious political leader who will work for development of Konkani & konkani people. As such konkani people are slowly adopting other language as their mother tongue. You want to encourage goans (konkani speaking people) but if konkani language is not there how konkani people will develop. My dream is to become bal thackray (hitler) of Goa & to close NIIT like Wintech. Regards Umesh kamathCARMO DCRUZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Umesh,I am sorry I do not know I can help you. I am neither a politician, nor am I in the legal profession.Firstly, I do not know anythig about NIIT (I suppose it stands for National Institute of Information Technology). What are the success stories from NIIT that attracted you to that institution and made you select it over graduate studies in the elite IITs ? Or were you just suckered looking for a path of least resistance, by an institute whose name rhymed with IIT ?I am a graduate of IIT Kharagpur and I would like to encourage Goans and Konkani-speaking people (whether they use the Devnagiri, Roman, or Kannada script) to get into IIT (Indian Institute of Technology , that is) for undergraduate, graduate or postgraduate education. Please note that NIIT is not an elite institution such as the world-famous IITs (Indian Institute of Technology).There is considerable preparation required for the highly competitive IIT-JEE (Joint Entrance Exam) - so it is not a path of least resistance such as that offered by other institutes, some of which you may be familiar with. Admission for the graduate and postgraduate programs is also a rigorous process.Perhaps in Goa we need an Institution like the Bansal Classes of Kota Rajasthan - I believe this year, nearly 33% of the students who were selected for IIT through the JEE were from Bansal's classes !We need more Goans to graduate from IITs for the greater good of our beloved Goa !!While I applaud your struggle against illicit trade practices in India, on a personal note, you may be "peeing in the wind" ..and you know what that can do to you (its very messy)!! You may want to channel your energies and your time towards elite institutions such as the IITs.I wish you all the best in your endeavours !Best Regards,Carmo>From: "Umesh Kamath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>To: "CARMO DCRUZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Subject: Help required>Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 10:08:34 ->>Dear Carmo,>>I have joined this group with the intention that i may get help in my>fight against NIIT. But whatever messages i have been sending is>blocked by administrator.>>I am fighting against NIIT detail of which is given below in my>petition since last 4 to 5 years against their unfair trade practice>but i am not able to get justice as NIIT being a influential>organisation & there are no konkani politician to help konkani people.>>* First i thought i was alone but many students are complaining>against NIIT in below mentioned link.>>http://www.mouthshut.com/readproduct.php?cid=925002525>>>* I have also made a petition at www.petitiononline.com & URL for my>petition is>>http://www.PetitionOnline.com/ukamath1/petition.html>>so far i have received 72 signatures>>Regards>Umesh Kamath>>__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet] KONKNNI ANI ROMI LIPI - Bhag Ek
Here is a well researched article -- mailed in three parts. Fr Pratap Naik TSKK deserves the credit for a clear explanation on the language conundrum. You can cut and keep this extract or circulate it. Anything and everything you do for "Konknni ani Romi Lipi will add to our Movement. Join the movement before its late -- Now or never. GODFREY J I GONSALVES Borda Margao Goa [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9822158584 ** KONKNNI ANI ROMI LIPI Pratap Naik, S.J. Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendr Alto Porvorim 1.0 Prostavona: Bhas monxak monzati thaun veglli korta. Moni asa ti zat monzat. Monzat moni, ti uloina. Monis uloita. Bhas monxak Devachem dennem. Jim monxam apli bhas ulounk loztat va uloinant tim Devak okman kortat mhonnlear chuk zata? Monis aplea somaza, votthara ani dhorma pormannem bhas uloita. Sonvsarantli khoinchi-i bhas ami ghetli zalear ti bhas poili lok uloita ani uprant goroz poddlear ti borounk lagta. Mhonntoch monis bhas poili uloita ani magir borounk lagta. Dekun bhasvijnani (linguists) bhaxechea mollar tonddi bhaxek (oral language) poilem sthan ani borounche bhaxek dusrem sthan ditat. 1.1 Lipi: Bhas boroupak kurvo zai. Tea kurvanche vollerek lipi mhonntat. Bhaxek ani lipiek kosloch sombond na. Bhaxek apli mhonnloli soimbik lipi asunk zai oxem kaim zonn mhonntat. Bhasvijnanant (linguistics) soimbik lipi hem utor vaprinant. soimbik lipi hem utor Konknnik Devanagori lipi zai mhonn hott dhortoleamni ghoddoilam va bhaddeachem haddlam. Je bhaxe khatir ek khas lipi ghoddoilea zalear ti lipi te bhaxechi nizachi lipi va soimbik lipi oxem zai zalear mhonnum-ieta. Dekik Konnodd lipi Konnodd bhaxe khatir ghoddoilea. Bhas borounk ji lipi lok vaporta ti lipi te bhaxechi lipi zata. Lipi bhas boroupak ek sadhon, ek sonket (symbol), ek madhyom(medium). Lipiecho ani povitrponnacho kaim sombond na. Mhonntoch eke bhaxek omkich lipi vaprunk zai oso nem va kaido na. Khoinchi-i ek lipi eke bhaxe khatir lokachea matear bollan va kaide korun thapunk zaina. Apli bhas boroupak apnnak zai ti lipi vaporcho hokk ani mekllik lokak asa. Dekik Sindhi bhaxek ParxiArbi lipi kaim xekddeam thaun vaportat. Bharotak svotontrotai melltoch Bharot sorkaran Devonagori lipi Sindhi bhaxechi lipi mhonn mandun gheunchi oxem tthoroilem. Punn Sindhi lokan to nirnnoi mandun ghetlo na. Taka lagun az Sindhi bhaxek Parxi-Arbi ani Devonagori heo don lipio asat. Te bhair Sindhi boroupak kaim zonn Gujorati ani Romi lipio vaportat. Kaxmiri bhaxek Parxi-Arbi ani Devonagori heo don lipio asat. 1.2 Konknnicheo lipio: Romi, Devonagori, Konnodd, Molyallom ani Parxi-Arbi oxem panch lipiamnim Konknni boroitat. Haka lagun Konknni bhaxek lipi na oslo vad kaim vorsam fattim choltalo. Ho vad chukicho. Inglez, Latin ani her Evropi bhaso Romi lipient boroitat. Tea bhasank apli mhonnloli lipi na. Tori-i tankam lipi na mhonn konn mhonncho na. Konknnicho chodd vavr az Romi, Devonagori ani Konnodd lipiamnim zata. Heo tin lipio az Konknnicheo mukhel lipio zaleat. Lokak zai meren teo choltoleo ani urtoleo. Konknniche sorv uchchar dakounk heo lipio unneo poddtat. Konknni khatir ek khas lipi ghoddounk zai asli. Punn tem kam konnem kelem na. Konknni Aryon ghorannenatli bhas dekhun tichi nizachi lipi Devonagori oxem vad ghalpi asat. Gujorati, Bongalli, Ponjabi, Oriya, Assami heo soit Aryon bhaso. Punn teo bhaso Devonagori lipi vaprinant. Tankam Brahmi lipi thaun upzolleo apleaoch lipio asat. Devonagori lipi Konknnichi soimbik va nizachi lipi mhonn sangpi ani mandun ghevpi monis amche modem asle ani azunui asat. Devonagori lipient kaim kurvo vaporlear mat Konknniche uchchar dakounk zatat. Konknni borounk atam chalu aschi Devonagori lipi ani tichi borounchi rit kitli chukta ani unni poddta hacher Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendran (TSKK) zaitem boroilam, sanglam ani purave diun dakoun dilam. Mhonntoch to vixoi atam porot hanga diunchi goroz na. Lipie poros Bhas gorjechi. Lipiecher chodd bhar ghalear lipi urtoli punn Konknni urchi na. Febrer 26, 1975 disa, Sahitya Akademi, Novi Dilli hinnem Konknni ek svotontr sahityik bhas mhonn manyotai dili. Hi manyotai ditana lipiecho ullekuch na hem ami motint dhorunk zai. Sahitya Akademin Devonagori lipi Konknnichi odhikrut lipi mhonn mandun ghetlea osli chukichi ani fottichi mahiti kaim Konknni boroupi ditat. Sahitya Akademichea sobar monnddollan Konknni bhaxek manyotai ditana oxo tthorav ghetla: As Konkani fulfils the criteria formulated by the Akademi for recognition of a language, it is recognised as an independent modern literary language of India. 20 Agost 1992 disa Konknnik Bharotachea Sonvidhanachea attvea porixixttant (Eighth Schedule of the Constitutions of India) zago melllo. Thoim soit lipiecho ullek na. He vixim Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendrant purave asat. Zankam te zai tamnnim TSKK-ant ieun te polleunk zatat. 4 Febrer 1987 disa Konknni Gõychi razbhas zali ani Devonagori lipi Gõy ra
[Goanet] FW: [Urbanstudy] Narratives of sickness
Hello! This is an interesting research work on detail intricacies of Malaria scenario in and around Panjim in Goa by Prashanti Azgaonkar. Thanks. Seby. From: "prashanti ajgaonkar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: prashanti ajgaonkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Urbanstudy] Narratives of sickness Date: 27 Aug 2005 10:31:07 - _ NRI Account! http://creative.mediaturf.net/creatives/citibankrca/rca_msntagofline.htm Special FREEDOM OFFER from Citibank! Grab it now! Narratives of sickness By Prashanti Ajgaonkar Goa University. Sarai- CSDS students stipendship research on city 2004-2005 Nahi hume malaria ke bare me kuch nahi pata (No. we dont know anything about Malaria) this was the response from the group of labourers whom I interviewed . Basically they were not interested to share any information as they had impression that I am a health official and come to check the site and their health card . Well this was the common reaction of the labourers. They wanted to hide the truth even in their conversation. After knowing the fact that it was for my study purpose they were relaxed in their sharing. But I could still notice in some of the cases there were tense moments of decision as to whether to reveal or conceal the truth. I had selected 5 different construction sites in Panaji namely Taligao, St.Inez, Patto (Bus stand), Bambolim and Porvorim the periphery of Panaji. Subsequently Different wards of Panaji were selected which often has high Malaria cases like Taligao, St.Inez, Dona Paula and Caranzalem. It was evening time ( 28 may 2005) when I visited this construction site near Panaji bus stand, hoping the absence of contractor/ supervisor, so that migrant labourers would speak freely about their suffering and problem. My perception was wrong as I arrived the construction site one of the workers informed the supervisor and all the narratives were manipulated. Well, it was good example to understand how higher authority interferes in the common mans opinion. They did not reveal most of the information, which I wanted to know about facilities provided by the contractor, Health official their role to control malaria etc , but unfortunately they replied very casually Sab Acha hai, well I could observe the situation how they were forced to say this words every thing is fine . Although there were no proper place for them to stay. No sanitation facility, no water facility etc , but then also every thing is fine! I was not satisfied with their narratives as I found it incomplete and manipulated so I made another visit intending to speak to more workers. Luckily I spoke to one labour who was sensible in narratives. Like others who denied to reveal the information but after knowing the fact he started sharing interesting thoughts. Saidh chillur 38 years old men from the village Sondur ,Karnataka is working in Goa for last 4 Years . Many time people who came for survey or other visit related to malaria says that we get germs from our village but, we very often heard this term Malaria in Goa and in our village. He further mentions that the whole group who have come from same village had taken same malaria preventive medicine in sarkari davakhana. Generally who suffers from any illness prefers to go back to the village. Bimari me Mestri hame goan bejta hai (The supervisor sends them back to their village during the sickness time). Who will take the responsibility of these workers, so best way to get rid of this problem is to pay them and send back to their village this was the statement made by the contractor Mr. Naik. The village people then blame us for getting malaria germs from Goa and same is the situation in Sarkari davakhana when we take the treatment. Our situation is like Dhobi ka kuta no ghar ka na ghat ka, Here also we blamed to spread malaria and in village also they blame us for getting Malaria He rightly observed that In Goa they are easily available scapegoats for the higher authorities when it comes for spreading malaria only single reason is they migrate from malaria endemic area. Another site that I visited in Porvorim consisted labourers form Nanded from Maharastra Well they had feeling that their Maharastra is great, so at the first instinct they said Amcha kade Malaria prakar Govya itka nahi ( In Maharastra malaria is not that common as in Goa.) He further agreed that people suffer from other diseases but not malaria. They were all aware of all symptoms, causes and precautions. Even they were aware of facility provided by Health authorities and the importance of Health cards. They were praising efforts taken by the health authorities to visit the site and take the blood sample for malaria testing and also on the health cards. In this group there Mestri( labour
[Goanet] Roman script Konkani... in new form & Congratulations on 11th Anniversary
*** Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. ***-*** Hello Goanetters I do second Mr Gadgil’s opinion. So is it back to school for all those who will have to pick up on this new script? Do we need to learn new script for learning our Konkani? What is wrong with the present roman script? Countless writers wrote books and many Konkani lovers read them, namely, Late Reginaldo Fernandes, Jose Inacio, and our very own James Hadley Boniventure D’Pietro and many others. Anvem tor zaiteoch romansi vachleat, ani log azun passun vachtat lek amche roman konkani baxen, zoxem Vavradeancho Ixtt, Gulab, Dor moineachi Rotti, ani er jem Konkani lekin boroun eta tem, ani soglim bore baxen vachtat. Igorjen passun povitr korar jem roman baxen boroilolem assa tem lahn lahn burgim vachtat, jim soddeak devanagri Konkani shinktat, tor amkam ani novi lek kiteak zai? Please don’t make a joke of our demand for Konkani in Roman script. Congratulations on the 11th anniversary of Goanet. Kalzan san Dev Borem Korum muntam sogleank je kalji gheun Goanettak aplo tenko ditat, toxench sogleam boroinarank je urben goanettak boroitat ani amkam sogleank part gheupak seoeg ditat. Thanks to all those who are active volunteers of Goanet, and all writers who used to write and have fantastic arguments on goanet, many of who, have gone missing for the last many days. Thanks for keeping Goanet alive for so many years and pray it will spread all over and bring all Goans as its members and it leaves to complete a century. Special thanks to Frederick Noronha (Goa, India), Viviana Coelho (San Francisco, CA, USA), Bosco D'Mello (Toronto, Canada), Daisy Rodrigues (CA, USA), Michelle D'Souza (Boston, MA, USA), Christina Pinto (Australia), Vincente Fernandes (Goa, India), Godfrey Gonsalves, and ofcourse to the creator of Goanet Herman Carneiro. Special thanks to all who have been writing in Konkani like Domnic Fernandes, Eddie Verdes, Lino Dourado, Cypriano, ani er sogleank je vavurtat amchi Konkani jivi dovorpak. Also special Thanks to our very own sports columinst, Eustaquio Santimano, who has been covering spots events for all Goanetters. God Bless you all Cheers Jerry Fernandes From: Vidyadhar Gadgil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Re: Roman script Konkani... in new form To: Goanet mails This new Roman script Konkani is bizarre. It really appears like shooting oneself in the foot. Mere phonetics should not drive one to such absurdities; after all, we read and write English accurately enough in Roman script, even though it is far from phonetic. (George Bernard Shaw once suggested that 'fish' be spelt as 'ghoti', with the 'gh' pronounced as in 'rough', the 'o' pronounced as in 'women' and the 'ti' pronounced as in motion!) If one is serious about popularising Roman script Konkani, such stuff should be avoided. Experience with diacritics and unconventional marks is that these things only cause confusion in the minds of the average reader; as such, they are best reserved for academic journals, etc. Look at the way Hindi is written in Roman script (in newspapers, magazines, etc. there are always a few Hindi words nowadays). Nobody who knows Hindi (and can read Roman script) has the slightest difficulty in understanding them. What is wrong with Roman Konkani as it is currently written? I am not a native Konkani speaker, but with some practice have never had any particular difficulty in reading Roman Konkani (though understanding it is more difficult, but then I have that problem with Devanagari Konkani as well). When getting Roman Konkani accepted is such a big struggle in itself, this really seems to be creating an additional unnecessary handicap, like tying heavy weights round one's legs before starting to scale a mountain.
[Goanet] Roman script for whom?
The RSM debate raises some doubts in my mind: (1) Roman script is meant for oldies who cannot read devanagari? For Goans in diaspora? For foreign tourists? Every young Goan in Goa learns devanagari script in school nowadays. Others outside Goa can learn it with some effort. (2) I would agree and disagree with Vidyadhar Gadgil. Diacritical marks will not make any sense to common people. With or without such marks, Konkani in Roman script can be read correctly only by those who already know the Konkani sounds. English in roman script is read correctly only by those who have already learnt the language sufficiently well. (3) I have not seen any of the new diacritical marks appearing correctly in the plain-text required by the Goanet. It may have to change its rules to support the new way of writing Konkani in roman script. (4) For decades now the Portuguese and the Brazilians are struggling to come to an ortographic accord! The non-Portuguese lusophones feel that such an accord pressed by the Portuguese is a new form of cultural imperialism! The Brazilians also consider their language as much more alive and in constant change. For those who can read Portuguese the following link could help understanding this problem better. http://www.noticiaslusofonas.com/view php?load=arcview&article=11186&catogory=Manchete Teotonio R. de Souza - Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:39:44 +0530 From: Vidyadhar Gadgil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Re: Roman script Konkani... in new form To: Goanet mails Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain This new Roman script Konkani is bizarre. It really appears like shooting oneself in the foot. Mere phonetics should not drive one to such absurdities; after all, we read and write English accurately enough in Roman script, even though it is far from phonetic. (George Bernard Shaw once suggested that 'fish' be spelt as 'ghoti', with the 'gh' pronounced as in 'rough', the 'o' pronounced as in 'women' and the 'ti' pronounced as in motion!) If one is serious about popularising Roman script Konkani, such stuff should be avoided. Experience with diacritics and unconventional marks is that these things only cause confusion in the minds of the average reader; as such, they are best reserved for academic journals, etc. Look at the way Hindi is written in Roman script (in newspapers, magazines, etc. there are always a few Hindi words nowadays). Nobody who knows Hindi (and can read Roman script) has the slightest difficulty in understanding them.
[Goanet] Goanet's 11th Anniversary
Congratulations to the founder, and to the volunteers who devote so much of their time and forbearance to keep the Goanet household orderly and habitable through the seasons of gratitude, ingratitude, communal accord and discord. Dom Martin
[Goanet] Re: kingfisher airlines ad
I could not find the ad for the kingfisher airlines on the company website, and would be happy if someone sends me a link or posts it on the forum. Scantily-clad girls promoting tourist destinations is not new. It seems the old controversy of the billboard that was outside the Dabolim airport has been reignited. I think it was the billboar welcoming visitors to Goa to a place where "anything goes", maybe I am not using the exact words. In the current controversy, the NGOs and individuals may be fighting the "sublimal" message in the Kingfisher Airlines ad. Whether we like it or not, Goa has attained fame (or to those who look at the other side, infamy) as a fun place. Maybe this is the hangover from the hippie days. I doubt, however, Goa is looked at as a "sin city" in the manner such as Bangkok. The paedophile image created with the arrest of Freddy Peats and the reopening of the issue with Peats's associate in the child-sex ring now brought to Goa will put the spotlight back on Goa. Kerala offers almost equivalent or better scenic delights as Goa, but its tourist image is much "cleaner" than Goa's. Once an image is created, it persists. As far as I can see, Goa's image isn't soiled. Such ads only create some frills, but visitors would be losers if they come for "sex tourism." In this not-so-subtle ads, Goa can come to be projected as a better nightspot than the rest of India, though frankly the nightlife in some metropolitcan cities, particularly Mumbai, is much more tempting to those who seek such pleasures. In new tourist places such as Dubai, which is promoted as very liberal compared to other cities in the Middle East, there is what one would call "underground tourism." The word "sex" is taboo. I can believe that call-girl rackets are existing in Goa but open soliciting as done on Dubai streets may not be taking place. That Goa had or still has a "red light" district is enough to convince the global traveller that the state is "hot". I read an article on Goa's tourism in the current issue of Goa Today, but I don't remember reading anything on sex being one of the magnets, rest being sun, sea and feni, attracting tourists, foreign and domestic, to Goa. I would hold rest of my comments till I see the Kingfisher Airlines ad. If someone could post me privately the ad, I would be thankful. Eugene Correia Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet] KONKNNI ANI ROMI LIPI - Bhag Dhon
Purtugez bhov thoddi zanna aslolo monis soit voilea panvddeacho ani Konknni bori zanna aslolo mat sokoilea dorjeacho oslem chintop Gõykaram modem choltalem. Visavea xekddeache survater sirvis mellpak zaitim Kristanv Gõykaram Gõyam bhair gelim. Gelle kodden tanchim bhurgim Inglez madhyomant xiklim. Haka lagun tanchi ghorchi bhas Inglez zali. Inglez xikloleam modem bhattkar ani munddkar ho forok urlo na. Gõyant Inglez xikop bhitor sortoch adim ghorant ani ghora bhair fokot Konknni uloupi sadim monxam soit aplea bhurgeam kodde tambddi Inglez (Konglish) tasunk laglim. Atam Gõychim Kristanvam ekameka kodden uloitana Inglez va tambddi Inglez chodd vaportat ani Konknni unni uloitat. Hindu loka kodde uloitana mat Konknni vaportat! Igorzank lagun Konknni azun urlea. Atam Misam Inglejint zaunk lagleant. Haka lagun Konknni bhas Kristanv lokachea jivitantli unni unni zaunk laglea. Ti azun kitle dis tanchea jivitant urtoli? Hea gombhir prosnacher vichar zaupak zai. Firgozamni aslolea mullavea iskolamnim (primary schools) ani dharmikamnim cholounchea mullavea iskolamnim Konknni madhyom asa. Hea xallamnim zaitim Kristanv bhurgim Konknni xiktat. Xallamnim Konknni tisri bhas mhonn xikoitat. Choddant chodd Kristanv bhurgim Konknni vixoi ghetat. Dusri vatt na mhonn tim Konknni ghetat. Kaim bhurgeank Konknni bhas, Inglez bhaxechea adaran xikounchi poddta! Konknni xiklolim ani xikchim him bhurgim Devonagorint boroilolim pustokam va nemallim choddxim vachinant. Haka zaitim karonnam asat. Tantlem ek mukhel karonn mhonnlear Devonagorint boroiloli Konknni tanchi nhoi. Igorzank lagun Romi lipient boroilli Bardexi Konknni tankam vollkichi ani laginchi. Dekun Romi lipient tankam Konknni xikoilear chodd faideachem zatolem aslem. Gõyant azun Romi lipient Konknni vachpi asat. Haka lagun V. Ixtt, Gulab, Dor Mhoineachi Rotti, Jivitacho Prokas, Amcho Sevadhorm, Goan Review him mukhel Konknni nemallim choltat. Firgoz potramnim soit kaim promannan Konknni vaporloli dixtti poddta. Gõyant Moratthik man ani zago Hindu somaz dita. Tankam ti aplea dhormachi ani daizachi bhas koxi dista. Tantlea boreach zonnanchea mota prokar Moratthi tanche sonvskrutayecho okhonndd vantto. Romi lipientle Konknnicho sombond pornne Konknni kodde chodd asa. Tika 480 vorsancho itihas asa. Dekun Romi lipi az Gõyant Konknnichem daiz zalea. Romi lipi porki desachi dekun ti amche bhaxek vaporop sarki nhoi, ti amchem daiz nhoi oxem vad ghalpi asat. Purtugezamni Gõyant kazu, chiku, onnos, sitafoll, ramfoll, bottatte, ttomatt, mez, kodel, bank ani kitleoxeoch vostu haddleo. Ttivi, reddio, grainddor,saykol, bos, viman ani hozar bhaileo vostu amchea sodanchea jivitacho bhag zaleat. Finrgi amcho des soddun vetoch, teo vostu bhaileo mhonnun ami teo bhair marunk nant. Romi lipi Gõyant 495 vorsam pasun asa. Ti ek mat kiteak porki zata ani kiteak mhonn ti ami kuxin dovorunk zai? Ti samballop ani ticho vapor vaddoup Konknnik faideachem tthortolem. Tika konnachi bhik naka. Jem kitem tika mellpak zai tem hokkan ani kaidean mellunkuch zai. Hem sogllem motint dhorun Romi lipientlea Konknnichea fuddara khatir heo sokoileo suchovnneo ani mudde manddtam: 1. Konknni uloi, Konknni fuloi, Konknni amchi ganvar gazoi hem brid (motto) hanv suchoitam. Tem ami apnnaunchem. Ghorant ani ghora bhair Gõykaram kodde ami fokot Konknnich uloitoleanv ho khor nichev korcho ani to sodam pallcho. Haka lagun Gõykar Kristanvam modem bhaxek lagun ekchar zatolo. Lhan vhodd, voilo sokoilo ho bhedbhav unno zatolo. Aple bhaxecher obhiman vaddtolo. Haka lagun kaim vorsam uprant Gõychim Kristanvam Konknni ulounk lojeunchim nant. Ulttench zalear zankam Konknni iena tankam aplich loz distoli. Konknni ulounchi ani ticho vapor chodd korcho mhonnlear ami Inglez ani her bhaso soddun diuncheo oso tacho orth nhoi. Konknni vangdda ami teo bhaso boreo xikcheo. Punn avoibhaxecho man tankam diuncho nhoi. 2. Bharotachea sonvidhanant (Constitution) unnea ankddeanchea lokam (minorities) khatir kaim khaxele hokk asat. Tantlo ek hokk mhonnlear bhas, lipi ani sonvskruti samballop. Sonvidhanacho ankddo 29 oxem sangta: Protection of interests of minorities. (1) Any section of the citizens residing in the territory of India or any part thereof having a distinct language, script or culture of its own shall have the right to conserve the same. Mhonntoch Gõychea Kristavamni aple Konknni khatir Roman lipi samballunk ani ti fuddem kaddunk koslich addkholl konnench haddunk zaina. 3.Konknni fokot tiatr, khell tiatr, Manddo, Dekhnni ani kantaram purti urchi poristhiti toiar zalea. Hi gombhir poristhiti pois korpak adim aplea jivitant purti Purtugez vaporloleamni atam aplea jivitant purti Konknni appnnaunchi goroz asa. Somazant voilim vhoddlim mhonn nanv aslolim monxam Konknnik lagim sortana, obhimanan Konknni uloitana, sado lok Konknni kodden urtolo. Na zalear Konknni kharvianchi, poderanchi, renderanchi, kumbaranchi, kunnbianchim, chamaranchi, randpi
[Goanet] KONKNNI ANI ROMI LIPI - Bhag Tisro - (3) END
Sonvsarar aschea somest Konknnink (Konknni lokak) kompyuttor yugant ektthaim haddachi takot fokot Romi lipiek asa oxem Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendra-k (TSKK) dista. Dekun Kendran atanchi Romi lipient borounchi rit sudharun uchchara pormannem vijnanik ritin Konknni borounchi novi rit toyar kelea. Agost 15, 2005 disa ti pustika Moddganv uzvaddaili. Ti pustika Kendrant ani her kodden vikrek mellta. Ti appnailear Konknnichi vaddavoll zatoli ani Konknnincho ekvott ghoddon ietolo. Devonagorint Konknni borounchi rit uchchara poros vegllich asa. Haka lagun te lipient Konknni boroitana ani vachtana xikpeanche ani xikovpeanche hal zatat. Ek bhasvijnani (linguist) ani ek Konknni xikovpi mhonn hem mhojem pramannik mot. Konnak zor mhojea utrancher visvas na tor tamnnim hea vixoyacher ek bhasabhas (discussion) dovorlear hanv tankam purave diun hem siddh (prove) kortolom. 18. Kristanv lokachim kazaram vosreamni zatat. Thoim ulovpam, songit ani her kariavolli Inglez bhaxent zatat. Kazarachi akhkhi kariavoll Konknnintlean zaunk lagli zalear Konknni sonvskruti vaddtoli ani borem kolakar toyar zatole. 19. Romi lipient Konknni boroitoleank ani vavr kortoleank Sahitya Akademiche, ani Gõyche Kola Akademiche puroskar mellonant. Tancheo Konknni khatir jeo ievzonni asat tancho faido Romi lipient Konknni boroitoleank mellona. Tanchea puroskarancho ani ievzonnincho faido Romi borovpeank mellpak nettan chollvoll ani vavr korchi goroz asa. Romi lipient vavr keloleank mellcho ekuch vhoddlo puroskar mhonnlear 25,000 rupiancho Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendracho Antonio Pereira Konknni Puroskar. Atam Dalgado Konknni Puroskar suru zala. Romi lipient Konknni vavr kortoleam khatir Gõychea Kristanvamnim fuddakar gheun vhoddle puroskar dilear Konknni khatir vavr kortoleanchi umed vaddtoli. Konnodd lipient Konknnicho vavr kortoleank zaite puroskar tancheo sonvstha ditat. Gõyant hem kiteak zaina? Hachi zap itlich: Gõykarank Gõykarponn lagta, punn Konknniponn lagona! Hi durdoxa pois kele bogor Gõyant Konknnik fuddar aschoch na. Bongalli uloupi Bongalli zata, Gujorati uloupi Gujorati zata, Konknni uloupi Konknni kiteak zaina? Je meren Gõykar apunn Konknni mhonn mandun ghena te meren to obhimanan Konknni ulouncho na, vachcho na ani borouncho na. Haka lagun Konknni voir sorchi na. 20. Gõyche Akaxvannicher (Radio) nivedok (Announcer) mhonn kamak ghetona Konknni ani Moratthi/ Hindi ietoleank mat ghetat. Romi lipi ietoleank bhair uddoitat. Hi khori onit. Hacher avaz uttovpachi khori goroz asa. Amchea desant boball kele bogor nit mellona! Jitlo boball chodd zata title vegim nit mellta! 21. Lokachi magnni aslear Kristanv iskolamnim Romi lipientlean Konknni xikoupak zata. Gõychi suttka zatoch Kristanv iskolamnim Devonagori lipientlean Konknni xikoupak survat keli. Haka lagun Konknni sarki ienaslolea Moharaxttrantlea ani Kornattokantlea Moratthi zanna asloleank ani Gõyant aplem mullavem xikop Moratthi madhyomantlean kelolea Hindu monxank Konknni xikoupachem kam melllem ani azunui mellta. Romi lipi bori zannam asloleank kuxin kaddlim. Romi lipientli Konknni uloitoleancher ani zanna asloleancher keloli hi vhoddli onit. Hangsor fokot lipiecho prosn na. Lipie vangdda te lipientle Konknnik ani ti uloitolea lokak arthik (economic) mollar chepun dovorchem va kuxin dovorchem kam nettan chollam. Tankam Konknni ieta punn Devonagori lipientli Konknni iena hem nib diun tankam kamam mellpachem dar bond kelam! Hi onit chalu urli zalear he fuddem sorkari kamam Romi lipi mat zanna asloleank mellchinch nant. Hi onit pois korpak ekuch vatt mhonnlear xikxonnachea mollar Romi lipiek bhitor kaddop ani tika razbhaxechea kaideant odhikrut zago melloun divop. Gõyant Devonagori ani Romi heo donui Konknnicheo odhikrut lipio mhonn mandun ghetlear donui somazachea lokak faido asa. 22. Moratthi ani Konknni borounk Devonagori lipi vaportat zalolean Moratthi avoibhas aslolim Gõyant Konknni, Moratthi ani Hindi xikoun pott bhortat. Konknni xikoupachim kamam fokot Gõykarankuch mellpak zai. Xallamnim ani kolejimnim Devonagori vangdda Romi lipientlean Konknni xikoilear hem apxench ghoddon ietolem. 23. Razbhas kaido 1987 vorsa pas zalolo. Azun to vevharant purto ieunk na. Hacho orth oso korum ieta: Gõykarank to kaido avoddona, dekun tamnnim to mandun gheunk na. Gõychea Hindu somazan Konknni purti apnnaunk na. Dharmik, xikxonnik ani her mollamnim te Moratthich chodd vaportat. Uloupak mat Konknni vaportat. He fuddem soit Hindu somaz sorv mollamnim Konknnich purti appnnaitolo hachi koslich khatri na. Mhonntoch Gõyant Konknni urtoli ani fultoli zalear Kristanv lokan fuddakar ghetlear mat zata. Lokak zai zalear ani yotn kelear Gõyant Devonagori vangdda Romi lipi soit Konknnichi odhikrut lipi zaum ieta ani ti kiteak zaunchi nhoi? 24. Pordesant zaitim Gõykaram ani her koddchim Konknni monxam asat. Tanchea bhurgeank Devonagori lipiechi vollok na. Romi lipientlean tankam Konknni xikunk ani xikounk chodd sompem z
[Goanet] RE: NIIT not to be confused with the elite IIT
Umesh, We dont need Bal Thackerays in Goa. If you are such a fan of Bal Thackeray, may be you should stay in Bambay and succeed him in Maharashtra. Maybe you should lead a movement to promote Marathi in the Roman script - This movement could be a economic and social boon to Maharashtra - it will facilitate ease of acceptance and adoption of the Marathi language by foreign businessmen, investors, tourists and also the worldwide future generations of the Marathi diaspora. The Roman script is universal - and esp significant in these days of proliferation of communication via the internet. There are a number of Goans in Mumbai and Pune who are already proficient in the use of the Roman script in Konkani, you could employ all of them as translators - along with other proficient Marathi-English speakers. The Bishop of Pune recently endorsed the use of the Roman script fo Konkani - Now you have to convince the Hindu priests, the Imams and the parish priest that adopting Marathi in the Roman script along with the Devnagiri script will greatly increase their following and enhance the weekly collections. I don't think you should try to solicit Konkani-speaking sympathizers in your squabble with NIIT - you have to reach out to speakers of all languages in the Mumbai area. Once the well-being of the average Maharashtrian is greatly enhanced by such a movement to promote and popularize Marathi in the Konkani script, then who knows you may become the Chief Minister of Maharashtra - which Bal Thackeray never was .! If we do not have a strong leader - then why dont you step up, show your testicular virility and take over such a movement ? As I told you earlier, you may be peeng in the wind in the fight against NIIT - which is Not IIT !! Best Regards, Carmo From: Umesh Kamath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CARMO DCRUZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], gulf-goans@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], goanet@goanet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: NIIT not to be confused with the elite IIT Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 06:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Dear Carmo, You can help me by signing my below petition & passing on this to more konkani people you know & people who love konkani, As we do not have any strong political leader from our Konkani community who will help konkani people i am finding it difficult to fight against NIIT http://www.PetitionOnline.com/ukamath1/petition.html FYI my complaint was first published in goasu-raj.org a political party from goa which i presume is for konkani people. In order to develop Goa we have to first seperate it from India . There are lots of talented people in our konkani community (hindu, christian, Muslim) but we don't have a strong religious political leader who will work for development of Konkani & konkani people. As such konkani people are slowly adopting other language as their mother tongue. You want to encourage goans (konkani speaking people) but if konkani language is not there how konkani people will develop. My dream is to become bal thackray (hitler) of Goa & to close NIIT like Wintech. Regards Umesh kamath CARMO DCRUZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Umesh, I am sorry I do not know I can help you. I am neither a politician, nor am I in the legal profession. Firstly, I do not know anythig about NIIT (I suppose it stands for National Institute of Information Technology). What are the success stories from NIIT that attracted you to that institution and made you select it over graduate studies in the elite IITs ? Or were you just suckered looking for a path of least resistance, by an institute whose name rhymed with IIT ? I am a graduate of IIT Kharagpur and I would like to encourage Goans and Konkani-speaking people (whether they use the Devnagiri, Roman, or Kannada script) to get into IIT (Indian Institute of Technology , that is) for undergraduate, graduate or postgraduate education. Please note that NIIT is not an elite institution such as the world-famous IITs (Indian Institute of Technology). There is considerable preparation required for the highly competitive IIT-JEE (Joint Entrance Exam) - so it is not a path of least resistance such as that offered by other institutes, some of which you may be familiar with. Admission for the graduate and postgraduate programs is also a rigorous process. Perhaps in Goa we need an Institution like the Bansal Classes of Kota Rajasthan - I believe this year, nearly 33% of the students who we
[Goanet] Re: Roman script Konkani....correction
> copy of Konkani Ord Xastra (maybe my spelling is > incorrect) written by Prof. Antonio Fernandes I think the name of the booklet is Konknni Nad Xastra (definitely NOT Ord). I think it means, Rules of Konknni Grammar. Eugene Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet] Is this promoted in the name of RSM?
I have just read the "Konknni ani Romi Lipi" in 3 parts on Goanet. I shall only pick on the following: "Guykaram Guyam bhair gelim." Goenkaram here sounds like zon'varam! Goenkar" was not good enough to mean any Goans? And will Fr. Pratap Naik please let us know how such "Gu" derivations are justified? Is it only a keyboard problem? Or are apocriphal texts being posted in his name? Teotonio R. de Souza
Re: [Goanet] RE: It wasn't Katrina, It was Hurricane Balbir that Impacted Florida SpaceCoast
On 8/26/05, CARMO DCRUZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have got a some nasty emails from some "Aao Portugues" type Goans with a > "B--a B--t" attitude questioning my affiliation with and admiration for my > Sikh, Muslim, Hindu "Bharati" coaches and teachers esp from national hockey > camps and the IITs > If these people do not have the courage to show their nastiness in public, perhaps, those of us who receive their private nasty emails ought to expose them. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] *View From The Outer Harbour (22-08-2005)
View From The Outer Harbour By: Thalmann Pradeep Pereira IFFI BLUES . . . AND REDS Pratap Singh Rane does not get tired of squeaking that very soon a major police probe will be launched against Manohar Parrikar and other BJP bigwigs, in respect of alleged financial bungling during the International Film Festival of India organized in Goa in November, 2004. Manohar Parrikar, despite the unprecedented problems in Panjim this monsoon, still does not get tired of boasting that he had all the good intentions in the world when he went forward with his grandiose plans to host the IFFI. Rane seems to be spending all his time as Goa's Chief Minister in plotting how to get the maximum funds for the IFFI which he intends to organize in November, 2005. His whole posturing seems to be to subtly tick off Parrikar about the shoddy job he did in the name of Panjim's development, even while discarding all the charge-sheets submitted to him against the Parrikar regime by various citizens' groups. The real trouble with both these worthies is in their line of thinking. Reams have been spent by various commentators in splitting hairs about the faulty implementation and wasteful expenditures on various plans of the BJP Govt. and now of the Cong. Govt. But it is their mindsets which need probing. Both of them share a definite philosophy that the government must only induce the market forces to do good, and tons of 'good' will crash through the leaky roofs of the poor people. No need to do anything specific about the leaky roofs themselves! If anything was really wrong with Parrikar's IFFI plans, it was the fact that he envisaged the expenditure on IFFI as the engine of Goa's overall economic growth. Frankly speaking, in economics, corruption has no place as a category of analysis, for the simple reason that even if money meant for a particular purpose is entirely looted, the money would still be in the hands of the corrupt person and can justifiably be expected to be spent by him for his needs, thereby, in turn, turning the wheels of the economy and leading to growth. But this is precisely where the rub lies. Ever since 1991, when the Govt. of India started implementing "reforms", the money garnered by a few rich people (whether by toiling or by looting) is allowed to be freely spent on imported luxury goods or goods produced in India by foreign companies. The net result, in either case, is that the money ends up turning the wheels of the American or Japanese or some other foreign economy. A close look at the patterns of Parrikar's IFFI expenditures reveals that a major part of the money ended up in Canada or, at any rate, outside Goa. Even assuming that there was no corruption (as Parrikar is fond of challenging all and sundry), the fact of the matter is that there can be no net gain for the Goan economy or the Goan population, if the money lands up outside the state. The myth propagated by Parrikar about "infrastructure-creation" easily stands exposed by the concepts of "wear-and-tear" and "depreciation". On the other hand, even if there was massive corruption, but all the money was intact within Goa, then obviously it would be spent within Goa and, in turn, one could conceivably argue that the local economy has benefited. This would, of course, require that all the goods, on which the looted money is spent, are produced in Goa by local capitalists by using local materials. The more the digression from the norm, the more will be the leakage from Goa and correspondingly the less will be the benefit to the local economy. Rane's proposed IFFI-2005 may well boast of a Rs. 100-crore budget. The moot point is: how much of that money will be retained within Goa for ultimate expenditures on goods produced locally? It is this question that Rane must be made to answer, before being allowed to even open his mouth about Goa becoming the permanent venue of IFFI. It is the injection of money into the local economy and its retention within the same, which is the true measure of the worth of IFFI for Goans. Otherwise, IFFI will simply become the Permanent Weapon of the Drain of Indian Wealth through Goa. Till the next Monday, then, Happy Thinking! [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Harbour Times" (22-08-2005)
[Goanet] RE: Konkani Roman script - Mogal Godfrey ani Muzo Mogal Mashbhau Prof Carmo
From: Umesh Kamath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Carmo, You can help me... i am finding it difficult to fight against NIIT FYI my complaint was first published in goasu-raj.org a political party from goa which i presume is for konkani people. In order to develop Goa we have to first seperate it from India. As such konkani people are slowly adopting other language as their mother tongue. You want to encourage goans (konkani speaking people) My dream is to become bal thackray (hitler) of Goa & to close NIIT like Wintech. == >From my good mashbhau Prof Carmo D'Cruz in Florida: Umesh, We dont need Bal Thackerays in Goa. If you are such a fan of Bal Thackeray, may be you should stay in Bambay and succeed him in Maharashtra. There are a number of Goans in Mumbai and Pune who are already proficient in the use of the Roman script in Konkani I don't think you should try to solicit Konkani-speaking sympathizers in your squabble with NIIT We have an enlightened Archbishop in Felipe Neri Ferrao - he will do the right thing for Goa and Goans. = Mogal Godfrey ani Muzo Mogal Mashbhau Prof Carmo, 1. First of all, my para bens to Carmo for dealing swiftly with whoever this Umesh Bal Thackarey is. I fully agree - Bal Thackareys and their clones should STAY in Maharashtra. Goans would like to remain peaceful. Those inclined to violence please stay right where you are ...Thank You. 2. The term "Konkani Speaking people i.e. Goans" is misleading. I know Maharashtrians, Mangaloreans & other Kannadigas who speak Konkani. Not all of them are Goans. They may or may not NOT have the same interests in Konkani or Romi script Konkani that Goans have. 3. Similarly, those who make MONEY out of teaching Devanagri Konkani and anti-Konkani forces may be tempted to call "Romi Konkani is for Oldies". Ignore them. Our mothers and hence our mother tongues should NOT be placed in the hands of Mercenaries and Hypocrites. 4. I agree with Vidyaghar Gadgil. Please do not invent GRECO-ROMAN scripted konkani. Romi Konkani is fine. As Carmo has correctly said "There are a number of Goans in Mumbai and Pune who are already proficient in the use of the Roman script in Konkani" - in Goa and elsewhere too! 5. If we want to fine tune the sounds and intonations, please contact Jorge de Abreu Noronha. He has written about this matter - years ago! 6. As far as the New Archbishop and his support for Romi Konkani is concerned, I prefer to be a "Thomas". I will believe it when I see it. Now that Poona has taken the lead maybe ! 7. It is important that even in these communications: WE try to avoid NUEVO and IMPOSED words. If Konkani is to succeed as a Mother Tongue, please reatain the words our mothers used! i.e. School = iskoll not shalla, Exam = ezam not pariksha, part 1 = poilli parte not bhag 1! If we do not agree .let's continue with Marathi and this horrible sounding nasal dialect that is being paraded as Konkani ! 8. Finally there is NO need to be HYPER or REACTIVE about this matter. Goans will have to agree on WHAT is in their best ECONOMIC interests - a devanagri konkani, romi konkani + devanagri konkani or what. After that .Goans must Lobby one step at a time - never mind the detractors. Godfreybab Thank You very much and Well done. Fr. pratap, Thank you too. ArchBishop Neri Please allow me to say Thank You to you sometime soon! sincerely jc
[Goanet] Re: Goanet's 11th Anniversary
Congrats to everyone who makes the Goan cybervillage happen. Herman lit a small switch in a cyber-room in 1994, perhaps not realizing then what he tripped on. Since then many, MANY, have decorated the room with other (bigger?) switches and lights and kept the energy and electricity flowing (and ebbing). Credit to everyone and the volunteers who keep it going. Others have left to start other important Goan cyber-rooms. Good wishes to them too. One day we will have a nice Goan home and then ... a nice village. May Goa and Goans prosper. Regards, George
[Goanet] The Sky is not so far - II
the sky is not so far - II SKY HIGH, one of India's leading beat-group will feature at the (NYC Nite) on 1st September 2005 at Crowne Plaza - Farwaniya. We bring you an exclusive synopsis on each of the stars of these Goan showmen who have proved in music world, 'the sky is not so far...' The group consists of: 1. AURVILE RODRIGUES - Drums / Vocals / Percussions 2. BLAZIO ESTAN - Rhythm Guitars / Vocals 3. JUDAS COLLINS - Keyboards / Synthesizers 4. JOHN SEQUEIRA - Bass Guitar 5. ELVIS ALVES - Lead Guitar AURVILE RODRIGUES Drums / Vocals / Percussions Born: 11th October Home: Aquem-Alto, Navelim. Almost completed his formal education in Kuwait but had to leave during the Iraq invasion. Performed for the Indian school functions in Kuwait playing the guitars, and singing on various occasions. When in Goa, the drums took the better of his guitar capabilities. Now he bangs only skin and leather... Apart from being a drummer for the band, he also works as a sound engineer for a prominent recording studio in Goa. Aurvile plays the drums in a manner that makes one feel super-excellent inside... Links: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gulf-goans/message/6430 http://www.goa-world.com http://www.live365.com/stations/61664 Live Konkani Music http://www.mahableshwar.com/
[Goanet] Telescope for Goan Friends of Astronomy
Folks, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you with the price of the telescope we ought to buy for the Association of Friends of Astronomy, Goa led by Mr. Percival Noronha. The type of telescope they would like to have is a Celestron CGE1400 14-inch Schmidt-Cassegrain computerized telescope. Please see the following link for a picture and a description. http://www.celestron.com/prod_pgs/tel/cge1400.php This telescope costs U.S. $6135 plus shipping. This is the amount we will need to raise. Please send your contributions to GOA SUDHAROP, 67 KINGSTON ROAD, KENSINGTON, CA, 94707. Cheers, Santosh
