Re: [Goanet] Re: Goa's appalling Road Sense!
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- --- Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello goanetters, We should know by now, that Goa's appalling Road Sense is just a mirror of India's (Mario Goveia's Super Power to be?) appalling Road Sense and all the other Nonsense in India. This is true Integration indeed! Mario observes: Whew! Nasci, now tell us what you REALLY think of India. Aren't you glad you migrated to Australia? As I have said in a previous post, India should be avoided by the fastidious and faint of heart, for their own health and sanity. Leave it alone, PLEASE, for those of us who enjoy going there, mainly to bask in the incomparable warmth and hospitality of friends and family. No one in India is going to miss a few thousand crabby and dis-satisfied expats. I don't know whether you grew up in India or not, but the chaos and mess that you describe has always been a part of the Indian scene. To be sure, some of it is disgusting and drives me nuts, but there are other things that more than compensate, and that's what I tend to focus on, and enjoy. India, believe it or not, has changed for the better over the last 35 years since I left it. It is we expats who have changed far more. It is we expats who have become accustomed to less chaotic, more sterile and more secure environments. By the way, the notion that India is a budding super-power does not come just from my biased and fertile imagination. My REAL superpower country is betting on it. Bill Gates is betting on it. Even Lakshmi Mittal, who avoided investing in India while becoming one of the richest men in the world, is now prepared to bet on it. What do these folks see that the critics cannot? _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Setting the standard on posts (1)
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- I am not one of the writers who complains that too many posts detracts others from posting. The individuals who claim so, as have been shown, do not want to think anything original and are happy to just complain what others do. Beyond this, Pandu in his thoughtful post does make several valid points. The first moderator for a post are the writers themselves. When writers proudly proclaim their rejected-post as a badge of honor, it shows that some have lost their self-respect and their judgement. I have found the Goannet moderators very reasonable and doing a very fine job. They deserve our gratitude, not our scorn. We the posters need to help them. IMHO, often the post makes a good point. Yet in making that point, they allude to totally unnecessary adjectives or perspectives. From then on, the quality and language of the posts on that thread takes a dive into the gutter. Because as Mario puts it, every one has a right to respond and self-defense with even more abusive language. Using a separate committee (call it what you want) is similar to what it done in hospitals, business or politics. That separate committee can sort through the evolution of the miss-steps and come up with a solution to fit the abuse - anywhere from a slap on the wrist to disbarment for a short period of time or permanently. When it comes to allegations or libelous posts, (often on an unrelated subject) the damage is already done by the perpetrator (and the unsuspecting moderator). The victim then has to pick up the pieces and restore his / her credibility and reputation. Goans have the habit of standing tall by crawling and clawing (beating-up) on somebody else instead of standing on their own two feet. Kind Regards, GL Mario Goveia The Moderators ARE the Ethics Committee, are they not? All they have to do is their JOB more diligently, for which they will receive their reward in heaven:-)) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yet, should the Goanet administration take a stronger stand on libelous post? If the Goanet administration feels it has enough on its plate, for a minimum it can have an Ethics Committee to look at posts in question. This would be a better solution than legal action. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] POEM: Palm Sunday (Tony Fernandes)
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- PALM SUNDAY At the triple chimes Of village church bell, We rose up early and saw In the serene stillness before the dawn The bright morning star in the East Right above the sky's edge; And as we turned our gaze Southwards above the horizon Saw the constellation Called the Southern Cross. Twinkling just above the backyard hedge. Too dark and early we thought To pluck the new shoot Of the coconut palm leaf; So while some of us lay in wait My siblings went back to sleep; As the sky lightened a little bit We saw the palm And cut it in right earnest With the last shooting star of the night Hastily streaking towards the west. Somewhere nearby The cock crew Heralding the early morn With its wakeup call; And a sudden rustle As the first bird of the day took flight From the mango tree Up my spine sent a slight chill. Careful were we Not to rip the young palm open; We decorated it the best we could In the light of the early morning dawn; Then donning our Sunday best Onwards we walked To the Church to have it blessed; Returned home With the sun up and bright and proudly we handed over the holy strands of the palm To the old folks In the village Still busy by the fireside They thanked, blessed and offered as a reward a cup of tea in return Intoning the timeless saying: God bless you my son. Excerpted from GOA - Memories of My Homeland http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=431 _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Lyrics of Konkani song JEZU by Remmie Colaco!
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Remmie Colaco has given us many riti-dekhiche tiatr and immortal songs like Ankvar Moriechem Dukh. Here is one of his meaningful songs JEZU which I thought I would share with our readers on the eve of Easter: JEZU Composed and Sung by Remmie Colaco I Sonvsar ho don disancho Soglleanim hanson-khellon vell sarpacho Sonvsaran konn urta ani kednam konn morta Konnanchean parkum nezo Ho ugddas monan dorcho Peleacho mog kor mhunntta dhorom amcho Goribank adar dilear, konnamcher upkar kelear Foll mevta upkaracho Chorus Aslet khuim dog zann sezari punn dogaim modem boro ekvott naslolo Eklo sezari boro munis bhagivont Devachea mogan lastalo Dusro aslo to vhoddlo patki ani bebdo konnank vollko naslolo Rat ani dis soro pion zogddim korun sezareank sotaitalo II He khobrek zaito temp zalo Hem ghoddlem jednam Jezu sonvsaran ailolo Tednam ho bhavigont munis Jezuchem utor aikonk Jezu pattlean bonvtalo Ek dis to Jezuk mevlo Apnnanger jevnnank ieo mhunn konvit dilo Jezun taka utor divn, panch-sov Apostlank ghevn Ek dis tanger jevnnank gelo Chorus Jezu ani Apostl apnnanger ietat te pollovn ho munis gaborta Tannem fokot Jezuk apoilolo punn Jezu Apostlankui ghevn ieta Torui punn ghoddta te baxen jevn-khavn dhadoxi korun tankam daddta Bebdeak hi nossai zata, ragan sezareachi izzot kaddta III Thoddoch temp passar zalo Boro sezari babddo duent poddlo Disandis duens vaddon, kallzacho atak ghoddon Sonvsar to soddun gelo Bebdo chodd khoxen bhorlo Sezari melo mhunn boroch pielo Pion upaxim nidon, nidla thuim thonddi choddon Tovui teach disa melo Chorus Mortuch dogaimchei othme patkanchi zoddi divnk San Pedruxim veta Bhagivontak tagdden ghaltoch patkam taka nam zavn tagddi voiruch urta Patkeak tagdden ghaltoch patkanchem vozon chodd zavn tagddi sokla devnta Sam Pedro taka Porgotorin dhaddta ani bhagivontak sorgar voch mhunntta IV Patki sezari roddta Bhagivont sezari taka churchurta Tannem vaitt kel'lem visorta, taka sorgar voronk chinta Tednam thuim Jezu pavta Bhagivont Jezuxim veta Sezareak aplea sorgar dhadd mhunn magta Jezu toxem zainam mhunntta, sezari sintid zata Ani Jezuk oxem sangta Chorus Saiba sonvsaran astannam tuka ekleakuch hanvem jevnnank apoilolo Punn tum ietannam panch-sov Apostlank ghevn amger jevnnank ailolo Atam hanv eklea sezareak ghevn ailam mojer upkar korunk tum visorlo Jezuk ho ugddas ailo patkeak bhogsun taka sorgar daddlo. From Dom's antique shelf! Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: indo-french exercises
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- --- Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The indian navy is an important cog in Goa's underdevelopment and future. So listen to Nasci and tell your folks to get out of Dabolim. Mario observes: Isn't Goanet great? Here we have Bernardo, a die-hard Portophile who lives in distant, China-dominated Macau, dreaming of the good old days, and Nasci, who lives in equally distant Australia, providing advice on what's appropriate for Goa to those who live there, including advice on what the Indian Navy should do to an ex-Indian Navyman. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Name calling, cyber space, Donna Lisabeths dropping hem line and the Goan Kokno!
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- --- Pandu Lampiao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A) Beg to differ Donna Lisabeth. Cyber space is not exactly a walk through your coconut fringed batt in Betim; its a place where folks are invisible and a place where one can rant endlessly, where the difference is between bandwidth and the long and endless Sarzora bhand! B) What I am saying is yes, there is nostalgia that hold us together but maybe we need to raise the bar a bit, step out of the cesspool, of calling names, correcting minor details or getting back at others in labored English. Mario observes: Hey, Pandurang. Where did you suddenly come from, demanding that some bar be raised, that silent members be entertained in a manner that suits you, while acting yourself like a pot calling the kettle black, as evidenced by the two excerpts above? Talk about labored English. Have you read your own? This is an open public forum, my friend, much like a get together in a coffee house or neighborhood bar. People getting things off their chest, shooting the breeze, saying whatever interests them in any way they choose, all under the occasionally eagle eyes of the Goanet moderators. Everyone sets their own bar. We will correct details if we want to. Who are YOU to declare these details to be minor? If it's a cesspool, what are you doing in it? This is not a sophisticated literary society, or a place for participants to entertain silent members and try to guess what may interest THEM. Our people come from all over the world, from all ends of the social, economic and educational spectrum. For some, English is a second language, the Americans may use their own peculiar version, we even see some Cockney once in a while from our Brits (...innit, mate?) So, we now know your opening opinions. Fine. More like rants in labored English complaining about rants in labored English than any solid substance, so far. Please continue to participate, and raise the bar by example, be specific rather than general in your own rants, complaints, comments and rebuttals. Like everyone else in any public forum, you will find many who agree with you, many others who don't. That's what makes this an interesting place. You are welcome to lead, follow, or get out of the way. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: nri meet afterthoughts
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Domnic, That wasn't an error. It was Bernardo's style ;-) FN [Goanet] nri meet afterthoughts domnic fernandes jyodom at hotmail.com Fri Apr 7 00:01:03 PDT 2006 The name of the coach was REDENTO - not Red Ant. Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Name calling, cyber space, Donna Lisabeths dropping hem line and the Goan Kokno!
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Dear Pandu, I read your post with interest and you made some good points. With regard to your questions, I firmly believe that there are no victims in life, just volunteers. What will the future of Goa be? Exactly what Goans want it to be. You are not living in a dictatorship. You have a choice to carve out whatever it is that you aspire. But to paraphrase the Mahatma, we must become the change we want to see. As for your assertion, that building houses by sucking up to some Arab in Dubai is a bad thing for Goa. Let me just say that all those Goans who stayed behind and didn't have to suffer the indignity of sucking up to some Arab, have a huge debt of gratitude to repay to the Goans who did. Thanks to those houses and NRI money, Goa saw a boom in the construction industry, a boost in its NRI reserves, a surge in market demand for goods and services, not to mention that it is those beautiful houses that now add to the aesthetic value of Goa. So here's a peg of Fenni to those sons of the soil that toiled in the desert, and faithfully sent money home because they never forgot where their home was. My father was one of them. Elisabeth --- Elisabeth .do we have a vision of a future? Does Goa have a future? Its bleak to me? Or is it just building a ghastly new house with a few bucks made sucking up to some Arab in Dubai? (apologies, this is a terrible thing to say but this is reality, no). __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Let's Play this Game: Test of Reasoning (All about Goa) - II
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Thanks to all those participated. I was happy to see such a response. But no one had more than 12 correct Ans. (out of 18) No. 12 no one had it right. So here I give the right answer. 12.Cansaulim, Verna, Majorda,.. A.Dabolim B.Varca C.Benaulim D.Curtorim Ans. is A ( All being Rly Stations) Here are some more: 21. Xeumtim, Abolim, Zayo,... A Lilly, B. Mogrim C. Rose D. Bogun Vila 22. Zuari, Mandovi, Tiracol, A. Siridao, B. CurcaC. Sal D. Agassaim 23. Chandor, Goa-Velha, Old Goa,... A. St. Cruz B. PanajiC. CalafuraD. Santan 24. Kesarval, Verna, Sukolna,.. A. NuvemB.Ana Font C. Benaulim D. Raia 25. Idea, Reliance, Airtel,... A. Nokia,B.LG C.Bsnl D.BT cellnet 26. GoAir, KingFisher, AirDeccan,... A. Swissair B. Aeroflot C.SpiceJet D.Gulf Air 27. Deknni, Fugddi, Kunbhi,... A.TwistB. JiveC.Corredinho D.Waltz 28. Tiatr, Natok, khell,... A. Concert B. Dance C. Zagor D. Feast 29. Sindhurg, Karwar, Belgaum,... A.Pune B.Mumbai C. Arabian Sea D. Kochin 30. Betim-Panaji, Cortalim-Marcaim, Divar-oldGoa,.. A. Velsao-Pale, B.Verna-Nagoa, C. Raia-Shiroda D.Majorda-calata 31. Poskotte, Chonne, Kaddio-boddio,... A.Tandull B. Bottatte C. Baji-palo D. Reuddio 32. Bom Jesus, Se Cathedral, Sta Monica,... A. St.Lawrence B. Manghessi C. Mardoll D.St. Agustine 33. Vistid, Kamizol, Buluz,... A. Hat B. Cloves C. Korpet D.Cutex 34.The Priest, The Cook, The Guests,... A. Plain water, B. Soft Drinks C. Tea-Coffee D. Alcohol 35. Teors, Ruzai, Aimori,... A. Ladin B. Radio C. TV D. Bar [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] 7th April 1506 to 2006 - SFX - 500 years celebration
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- In the backdrop of the Archaelogical Society of India (ASI) maintained Basilica de Bom Jesus , where the sacred relics of St Francis Xavier are held in a silver casket, at Old Goa (Ilhas) Tiswadi taluka Goa the western State of India, over four thousand people assembled this evening at 1734 hrs IST at a specially erected shamiana to partake in the Eucharist Mass to celebrate 500th Birth anniversary of St Francis Xavier (07.04.1506) a native of Navarre in Spain. It was perhaps destined that a native of Spain should commence his missionary endeavours and also find his sacred relics held in one of Asia's most beautiful tiny State of Goa in India which gifted by nature could easily earn the sobriquet of the Spain of the East. Many faithfiul were taken by surprise of this celebration today, which otherwise received vide publicity in the local print media and on the internet in the past few days. This is because it is not the birth day but the death anniversary of the Saint on 3rd December, (and that of another i.e his most trusted friend St Ignatius de Loyola who died on 31st July 1556 ) that is being celebrated, as feast days. This year incidentally is also the 450th death anniversary of Saint Ignatius de Loyola and 5th centenary celebrations of the birth of Blessed Peter Faber of Villaret in Savoy on 13th April, 1506. The indomitable trio were indeed the co-founders alongwith some others of the Society of Jesus, which has today over 20,000 priests of this order world wide and the Goa Province which constitutes Belgaum Pune and Ajra Sidhudurga. In Goa there are 143 Jesuits. St Francis Xavier set foot on this soil at Old Goa just 100 metres away from the Basilica (where a monument stands testimony to his visit) in then Goa which constituted only Salcete Mormugao and Ilhas (now Tiswadi) the Velhas Conquistas (Old Conquests (1510-1961) nearly 464 years ago. It is here at Old Goa that he arrived from Torre de Belem in Lisbon (where a monument is erected as well (Fr Vasco Rego sj who visited the spot in Lisboa Portugal ) after he set sail and reached Goa via the river Mandovi after 6 months of voyage according to Fr Vasco De Rego ex Rector of the Basilica, and began his works in Asia to reap a good crop of faithful for Christianity. Following his death the Saint is revered not only in Goa and India as Goemcho Saib but by people world over. The decadal Expositions where the mortal remains are brought down from the specially erected altar for veneration by the faithful is a testimony to the Saint's following even several hundred years of his death enroute to China. Many a times when tragic incidents or a natural catastrophe e.g. tsunami affect other parts of the world or India, the it is not uncommon to see Goans always heave a sigh of relief and note with pride that nothing will happen so long as amcho Goemcho Saib is there. Even the Japanese who had established the first tradelinks for mining of ore from Goa to Japan pay homage to the Saint by describing Goa in the land of Saint Francis Xavier . The mass which witnessed the Main celebrant His Grace the Archdiocese of Goa and Daman, besides the Bishop Emeritus Most Rev. Dr Raul Niclau Gonsalves, Bishop of Belgaum Most Rev. Peter Machado and the Provincial of Society of Jesus (a society founded on 27.9.1540 ) was a solemn sung Mass as a glowing tribute to the Saint. It may be recalled that the members of the Society of Jesus were responsible for safeguarding the Konkani in the Roman script and setting up the first printing press in Asia to further its written communications to network with the large indigenous natives. They set up many educational institutions in Goa viz St brittos High School and Loyola High School Margao, the Baga Retreat Centre Fr Arrupe Home in Raia the Thomas Stephen Konknni Kendra the Xavier Historical and Research Centre at Porvorim are testimony of the service to the community. The newly appointed Bishop of Belgaum who partook in the celebrations was on his maiden visit to Goa and received a thunderous applause when he was introduced to the gathering by His Grace the Archbishop of Goa and Daman Filipe Neri Ferrao. A special Portuguese delegation was also present on the ocassion besides the Deputy Chief Minister of Goa Dr Wilfred A De Souza. A book on the life and times of St Francis Xavier by Minguel Correia Monteiro from Portugal was released by the Archbishop of Goa Daman Rev Filipe Neri Ferrao. Sidelights a) though the Mass was held in the evening transport arrangements were
Re: [Goanet] Africander hockey in Goa !
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 --On 07/04/06, Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..there have been quite afew Goan Olympians from E. Africa - maybe Gabriel can even tell us whathappened to the fab Kenyan Olympiad duo of Edgar and Egbert Fernandes, whoeventually migrated to Australia ? Ah well, 'those were the days my friend..', ole xac !Francis.RESPONSE: I know that Egbert is in Adelaide, I believe his son plays/played for an Australian State. -- TUMCHER AXIRVAD ASSUM; DEV BOREM KORUM.Gabe Menezes.London, England _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Fact-finding committee report on Sanvordem violence
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- A mix of reports from today's press about the Milli Council fact-finding committee reports on Sanvordem violence. newkerala.com has some interesting takes on the BJP reaction, Navhind Times (this item not included) gives Parrikar's views that the members of the committee are psychologically disturbed! Herald, 7/4/06 Riots were politically planned: report BY HERALD REPORTER PANJIM, APRIL 6 — The All India Milli Council (AIMC) today released a “fact finding report” on the violence at Curchorem-Savordem which mentions that “the attack on the Guddemol mosque on the night of March 2-3 and the violence against the Muslim community living in Curchorem, Savordem and Guddemol, was part of a well planned strategy by political forces to communalise Goan society.” The AIMC appointed a 4 member team headed by SC human rights lawyer, Nandita Haksar to investigate into the violence. Addressing a press conference in the city Haksar said that the report “was to try to probe the root causes of communal violence.” The report covers the rise of communal politics in Goa, human rights violations of Muslims in Goa, the mosques at Socorro and Ekta Nagar, Mapusa. With reference to the speeches made by the BJP party members, the report mentions “that the BJP members including the ex-CM Manohar Parrikar and the local MLA Ramrao Desai continue to spread the disinformation not only about the actual incident but about Muslims in general. They are fuelling hatred and anger against the Muslims by telling blatant lies, spreading false rumours and making defamatory statements.” Referring to Parrikar’s speech on March 4, 2006, it mentions that “the former CM did not attempt to console the Muslims and his speech sent out the message that people responsible for the violence are the victims themselves.” On the role of the administration during the violence, Haksar and her team mentioned that “the civil administration has not acted with the responsibility that is expected of them. It is true that the police did offer protection to Muslims gathered inside the Curchorem mosque when the violence started. However they failed to protect the property of the Muslims.” Further, the report mentions that “the Congress party has no programme for countering the communalism and many of its MLAs and members are former members of the BJP. ” Haksar and her team have recommended that “the government must bring out a white paper telling the people the truth about the communal violence in Savordem-Curchorem.” Further “the government must have a programme against communalism and initiate a public debate on the issue of outsiders.” The other recommendations are that “the Muslims of Guddemol must be allowed to offer namaz which has been stopped by the local police and must be provided with land (which they will purchase) to build a mosque so that they can exercise their right to freedom of religion.” The recommendations have been submitted to the AIMC which will submit it to the government, Haksar said. The team appointed include editor of Lankesh Times Kannada weekly Bangalore, Gauri Lankesh, radio journalist, New Delhi, Vinod K Jose, and editor of Guide magazine, Bangalore, Bilidale Eesha. Also present was Iqbal Mohidin, member of the AIMC, Goa State. Navhind Times, 7/4/06 Bring white paper on Sanvordem riots, says Milli Council NT Staff Reporter Panaji, April 6: The All India Milli Council has demanded that the government of Goa must bring out a white paper telling the people the truth about the communal violence in the twin towns of Sanvordem and Curchorem. Attributing the violence to the rise of the “communal politics”, the report titled “Broken Peace” prepared by the fact finding team set up the council underlined that “the attack on Guddemol mosque” on the night of March 2/3 and the violence against the Muslim community living in Curchorem, Sanvordem and the hamlet of Guddemol was a part of well-planned strategy by political forces to communalise Goan society. The report which was released today by a member of the fact-finding team, Ms Nandita Haksar urged the state government to create the atmosphere for the Muslims in Goa to feel secure and name the real culprits, allow the Muslims of Guddemol to offer ‘namaz’ which has been stopped by the local police and provide land to the Muslims in Guddemol, which they would have to purchase, for building a mosque so that they can exercise their right to freedom of religion. Ms Haksar along with the other team members told reporters in the city today that the particular communal riot was
Re: [Goanet] Re: Atheism
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 --On 06/04/06, cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi ElizabethMany thanks for a very thoughtful post. .I also find it hypocritical for some people to be crooked as hell (e.g.deviously avoiding paying legitimate taxes etc ) and then 'devoutedly' going to confession/communion every weekend! What a farce!RESPONSE: Cornel, I too find it distasteful when people can swindle and squirrel away the ill gotten gains. These people assume that giving money to charity and doing other piece work for the needy, absolves their sins. I find it even more repugnant when these same people, will not get off their high horse but are able to pontificate freely to others. These people are conveniently in denial and assume that it is okay to defraud Institutions or rich people and reparations can be done though alms giving. This, as most Catholics should know, does not fulfill. Full reparations must be made before one can move forward! -- TUMCHER AXIRVAD ASSUM; DEV BOREM KORUM.Gabe Menezes.London, England _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] nri associations
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Vivian asked me in an email if I know of NRI associations in Goa. I was told by Brig. D'Costa that there are some associations but he mentioned Jerome's association. Floriano has added to the information that Rene wants or has started one and that Vivian may be thinking of starting another one. In an earlier post, Vivian said he is no longer and NRI, having settled in Goa. I believe Vivian has tried to find out about these associations but without success. I suggest he contact Brig. D'Costa or Dourado. Someone on this forum requested for the emails of the three NRI FC members, and I too would like to have them. Perhaps, Wilson Coelho could provide Dourado's email. Another point, I saw just a couple of netters replying to my post on the NRI Dubai meet. So far, there's no one who has either supported the idea of a petition to the government to disband the NRI FC. It's such apathy on the part of NRGs that the NRI FC members take the NRGs for granted. NRGs should not be differential to those in authority. When the central government has bent over backwards to meet most of the demands of the NRIs/PIOs, the attitude of the Goa government needs to change. The Kerala government often sends delegation to the Gulf headed by a minister. Having attended a couple of their meetings, the debate among the officials and NRKs is tense and heated. No doubt the NRKs have a large number in the Middle East and a big economic force, the Kerala government has little choice but to listen to them. The NRK remittances to Kerala is much, much more than the NRG remittances to Goa. I don't know if there is need for an NRI association based in Goa. Once the the NRI FC website is updated and functioning, as Dourado promised he would do in a short time, NRGs could send their complaints, problems to the centre. Dourado, however, said that for any news item or for any NRG issue the website may receive thousands of posts. He said there is no staff to handle it. About NRI associations in Goa, there must be further thinking. I hope others contribute to the debate. Eugene Correia __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: Goa's appalling Road Sense!
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- This qualifies you to be the CM of Goa or at the least the SP (Traffic) which position is presently held by Mr. A.V. Deshpande. In fact a delegation of 3 goasuraj memebers including yours faithfully were to meet the SP today at 4:30 P.M.. But this meet had to be cancelled as the SP was required to hold hands with St. Francis Xavier on His 500th anniversary. A 20 point discussion list is prepared, the answers to which will probably culminate in a PIL. What apalling road sense?? There is no road sence at all. Some idiot who does not know what is a national highway has planned our NH-17. floriano goasuraj Check out the Road Map for Goa Chapter VII Public Transport R.T.O. at www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 8:35 PM Subject: [Goanet] Re: Goa's appalling Road Sense! -- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Hello goanetters, We should know by now, that Goa's appalling Road Sense is just a mirror of India's (Mario Goveia's Super Power to be?) appalling Road Sense and all the other Nonsense in India. This is true Integration indeed! _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re.Church sex abuse costs tripled
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Appending to what Eddie Verdes wrote on 06Apr, whereinhe rightly questions the sources who will compensate the priests who have been wrongly implicated, or who have done so much good to society, as brought out in the following letter to the editor of Navhind times Goa, last week, by a non-christian (which is most often overlooked) Quote: The Priests Murder IT HURTS me to read about the murder of priest Fr Eusebio Ferrao. I have high respect for priests and nuns for the love they shower on people specially the poor. I was born to a drunkard father who never gave us a decent living and as a result my mother, who was suffering from tuberculosis, had to work to bring us up. When the parish priest of the place where we were living came to know about our broken house, TB mother and a drunkard father he felt deeply touched and gave us both moral and financial support. He would personally ride a cycle with a small bag of rice, coconut and money and give it to us. He would tell our Catholic neigbhours to help us. He had a nice smile on his face and would hold us on his lap when he visited us. We were quite small at that time but the love he has given us will be remembered. Even though this priest went to another place the people continued to help us. It wrong to murder somebody and more so a priest who is a person of God. JOSNA XHETGAONKAR, Morjim Unquote Joseph Fernandes Mumbai __ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Atheism
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Hi Santosh Many thanks for your response. I am entirely in agreement with your views. I am sure there will be more opportunities later to discuss these issues. Regards Cornel - Original Message - From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Atheism -- Cornel, Thanks. As you might have realized, my questions addressed issues much broader than atheism and religion. I was interested in highlighting inconsistencies in positions related to belief systems and ideologies, in general. Accordingly, aggressive evangelism would quite aptly refer to a war fought for ideological reasons, and to the means adopted in launching it. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] From Tony Correia-Afonso
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Dear Josebab, Let me begin by stating that I agree 90% with what you say about the dismal state of affairs in many areas in present-day Goa. My only point is that we are only ourselves to blame for it. Decades after we have become a full-fledged self-governing State with our own elected Government, we can ill afford to indulge in our favourite Goan past-time of blaming others for our ills! As for your statement that Goans keep electing the same Alibabas because they are not adequately informed, I can tell you from personal experience that this is a lot of baloney. When I went campaigning as a candidate in the 1989 Assembly Elections, I was told by many voters that You are a good man. In fact you are too good a man to represent us, because you will not do our work (amchem kam korche nam) - which translates as you will not indulge in illegal and even criminal acts on our behalf. This, unfortunately being the case, I was trounced by the Alibaba! It is the unfortunate but bitter truth that the people keep electing the same Alibabas as a fully conscious choice and not because they lack adequate information about the candidate. The only hope is to sensitise them about the folly of their decision and the consequences thereof. Regards, ---Tony Correia-Afonso. This message was sent using NWebmail, BSNL's Webmail Program _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] nri meet afterthoughts
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- The name of the coach was REDENTO - not Red Ant. Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA Goa never had a real hockey scene. It was the Africanders who made efforts to get the game going with six a side tourneios. On and off there was some league games. There were also summer camps conducted by a NIS coach called Red Ant from Guirim. The best performance by a Goan junior team was probably in 78. BC _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Delete instead oft Repeat
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- ARE WE ALL INSANE? I recently read that Police had to intervene between two groups at the Zatrostav in Bicholim. BJP leaders are on another rath Yatra (Advani compares it to the resurection of Christ), terrorists ,called freedom fighters by some , claim responsibility for killing innocent people, even old women and children, and in Iraq a different sect at prayer! How in Gods name can we be so purposeful and generous at religious festivals and performing rituals whose meanings we do not know or are bothered to delve into?WHY ARE WE READY TO DIE FOR OUR RELIGION RATHER THAN LIVE UPTO IT? God is love,compassion, forgiveness, Universal brotherhood and He has made man potentially divine( to quote Swami Vivekananda), given us a beautiful Universe to live in. Where is all this when I am hospitalised/am sick or thrown in an old age home? Where is my neighbour when I need help?Most probably at prayers or some ritual in Church, so well depicted in Tomasinho Cardosos play The Verdict.When I do illegal deeds/constructions? When I pollute with traffic, noise and garbage ? When I speed up, show off, park where I damn well please? When I gossip, ignore the senior citizen, children,the weak and poor? When I selfishly keep quiet,dont raise my voice, when I should be shouting from the rooftops at injustice, because it doesnt affect me or concern me directly?When we push or ask someone to sacrifice and act/ do something. Dont worry, we are right behind you .When the time comes, and we are put to the test,all the sacrificer sees is his own behind. Do we not insult/mock God by telling him I am not my brothers keeper. TO KEEP ON DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND EXPECT A DIFFERENT RESULT, IS THIS NOT A DEFINATION OF INSANITY?( ALBERT EINSTEIN) John Eric Gomes Porvorim. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] New Marine Lines
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Marine Lines was colloquially known to Goans as Marian [Mariano] Line! Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA From : Herman D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To : Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent : Friday, April 7, 2006 8:07 AM To : goanet@goanet.org Subject : [Goanet] Re: New Marine Lines. -- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=426 -- I remember the american library and of course liberty cinema nirmala niketan, bombay hospital etc I am born and bred up in dhobitalao - Marine Lines - Dabul. Give me more info about the family / details of your friend and let me try to recollect. maybe I may know him by face rather than by name regards Herman _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet]From Tony Correia-Afonso
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Dear Bonefacio Lopes, You ask me what I have done to set matters right in Goa. It is not in my nature to boast about my modest achievements in the field of public service in Goa - I leave such activity to our professional politicians who take up full-page advertisements in the papers to do so on their respective birthdays! However, your challenge leaves me no option but to respond. 1) I was the first unopposed elected Member of our Village Panchayat way back in 1977 and served for the full term of five years without missing a single meeting. 2) I stood for election to the Goa Legislative Assembly from Benaulim Constituency as a candidate of the Gomant Lok Pokxx in 1989 and lost to Churchill Alemao. 3) I have been President of the Cana-Benaulim Sporting Association and Prime Sports Club for several years and, apart from promoting sports, these organisations have been actively involved in social service work in the village. 4) I am a co-founder and current Chairman of the Benaulim Environment Trust, engaged in protecting the environment, preserving the natural resources and improving the quality of life of the people of our village. 5) I am an active member of the Benaulim Citizens' Consumer Forum and have personally fought two successful cases before the District Consumers' Redressal Forum in Panjim. 6) I have been Past President and a Member of the Rotary Club for the the past 32 years, involved in community service and social welfare. 7) I have actively participated in all the campaigns involving the pulic interest, beginning with the Opinion Poll in 1967, the Konkani and Statehood agitations and the Konkan Railway re-alignment. 8) In 2001 I was President of World Wide Goans, founded to promote the getting together of Goans of the diaspora in their interest and that of Goa. Since I am not used to blowing my own trumpet, the above listing has caused me considerable embarassment, but I was provoked by your rather insensitive remark.I apologise to my fellow-netters for boring them with my post-retirement C.V.! I wish I could do more, but I have crossed 75 years in age with the consequent limitations. I presume that you are younger than I am and look forward to you and the younger generation doing their bit for our common good - IF YOU HAVE THE WISH AND THE WILL TO DO IT! ---Tony Correia-Afonso. Quoting Bonefacio Lopes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Dear Tony Correia- Afonso, You rightly said It's up to us to set the matters right who is that us? where should it start from ,for ex. i admired the portuguese rule and till date i admire it, on the contrary like and i have no problem with it Satyameva Jayate i think the starting point of putting matters right should come from patriotic people like you as charity begins from home. In my mails i have never said that ex-colonial masters to come and help us. Give me one example how much have you contributed to Goa Post 1961 and how much to India at large? I have contributed my sweat, Paying skyrocketing taxes, after independence i thought we would be free and independent can we say we are free and independent? Satyameva Jayate very respectful and dignified words but does it happen in the courts of law in India? Before we make statements that its upto us to set matters right , first ask yourself how many matters as a true indian citizen and a Goanet subscriber have i set right? Bonefacio Lopes _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) This message was sent using NWebmail, BSNL's Webmail Program _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Africander hockey in Goa !
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Hahahaha BC ! The guy's real name was Redento, a real genius taskmaster.
('Was'? I heard tell vaguely he's passed on ?). As you said, twas mainly the
Africanders 6-a-side. I wasn't long in Goa, but played forward in some fun
teams in the exciting Elitel tourneys mentioned above. Some great talent
alongside, crazies like foot-smasher back Elias (Xavier's), weird hippy Loji
D'Silva (Vasco), awesome wing Frisco (now in TO Canada), and the huge
bumptious goalie Peter 'Fozno' Araujo (Vasco)! No dearth of Africander
talent in both N S Goa, sadly mostly dispersed in the diaspora now. Guess
all became Red Ants (umle) ! haha. Just kidding.
On a more serious note, politics destroyed it all, Redento taking the brunt.
Can't anybody do something ? Anything ?? I once played alongside a really
talented, ebullient centre-forward called Jose 'Joey' Rodrigues (another
Africander like us all). Today he's a prominent S. Goa lawyer and husband of
the influential Nelly Rodrigues, of Zilla Parishad fame. Surely they can
take on the current deadwood - C'mon guys ? We're thousands of km away now,
but any help you need for Goan hockey, the ol' Africanders are there for
you, you name it, you got it. It's not just the likes of Viren and Mervyn
now, even from the old St. Stanislaus crowd etc., there have been quite a
few Goan Olympians from E. Africa - maybe Gabriel can even tell us what
happened to the fab Kenyan Olympiad duo of Edgar and Egbert Fernandes, who
eventually migrated to Australia ? Ah well, 'those were the days my
friend..', ole xac !
Francis.
Goa never had a real hockey scene. It was the Africanders who made efforts
to get the game going with six a side tourneios. On and off there was some
league games. There were also summer camps conducted by a NIS coach called
Red Ant from Guirim. The best performance by a Goan junior team was
probably in 78.
BC
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[Goanet] Regularisation of land boundaries and right of way to property etc.
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Please give guidance pertaining to approach to Town planning and panchayat for regularisation of the boundaries and right of way etc since the communidade system is not prevelant now. Soliciting a response. Ronald Fernandez __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
