[Goanet] Re: Rooting for Goa
<> Hey, what the heck are you doing in Kuwait? -- RKN _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Review of the Review by the Reviewer /Melinda
>By the way,I marrried one of my passengers.(without harressing him) > >Melinda >Good for you, Melinda! >By name, may I guess that Mr Powell hails from the Emerald Isle? >And did you woo him with an extra GUINESS? Please repeat that Valentine Day story, Melinda! Our geriatric Goanetters love to hear it often :-)) -- RKN _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: What do Christians believe?
(Nasci to me: May the Christian God and Peace be with you.) Thank you for the kind blessing! Just a doubt: Is there a Christian God? You mean that God has been baptised? Didn't know Gods also followed different religions. Or is it that there are separate Gods for different religions? Like our Ministers sharing different portfolios among them? Finally, is it necessary to be with the Christian God alone to have 'Peace'? What if I opt for the Hindu God or the Muslim God or, for that matter, my own personal God? Awaiting your enlightened reply with bated breath. -- RKN _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: What do Christians believe?
--- * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * --- USDA certified Goa Sausages and other Goan foods can now be delivered to virtually any part of the world. http://www.goanfoods.com --- <> In today's New York Times, there's a report that reminded me such Goanetters and their views. Here's the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/17/us/17picket.html?th&emc=th Excerpts: "A tiny fundamentalist splinter group is showing up at funerals (in some parts of the US) claiming that God is killing soldiers in Iraq to punish America for condoning homosexuality." The headline of the story is: 'Outrage at Funeral Protests Pushes Lawmakers to Act'. Cheers, RKN _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Goa's appalling Road Sense! (re Mario's comments)
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part III) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=426 -- <(He is the one who has successfully argued against the blatant anti americanism (just for the sake of it) as also against agnostics and scientists and philosophers, and helped put these 'Intelligent?' guys in their place. At least this is my humble view, from the common man's point and stand!)> Since when has the "common man" made it his business to help put agnostics, scientists, philosophers and intelligent guys in their place? :-) -- RKN _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Portuguese passports
(Tony Correia-Afonso wrote: I have no quarrel with my fellow-Goans or any others wishing to acquire Portuguese citizenship and a Portuguese Passport and fully appreciate and sympathise with the compulsions that drive them to do so. Let us admit that these compulsions are largely economic and there is no need for them to trumpet their loyalty to Portugal and to denigrate India and things Indian in order to justify their actions. I have no doubt that if citizenship of Timbutku and a Timbutku Passport conferred the same benefits as a Portuguese one, the queue for obtaining such a Passport would be equally large! Satyameva Jayate!) Hat off to you, sir! You've hit the nail on the head! -- RKN
[Goanet] Re: Portuguese passports etc.
Hi Cornel, Read your post with keen interest, sir! As a professor of post-doctoral studies in Britain, you've given a politically correct definition of nationalilty. I have to concede that my definition of nationality is what you call identity if "nationality" is defined within the narrow parameters of citizenship. In this context, please note a subsequent post from Mario on the topic. You might have heard of Auroville, a commune founded by sage-philosopher Sri Aurobindo in Pondicherry, a former French enclave in South India. Talented people from all parts of the world are engaged in spiritual, intellectual and artistic pursuits there, after renouncing their citizenships. They call themselves "world citizens". Please tell us how we determine their nationality, independent of their identity. Regards, RKN Radhakrishnan
[Goanet] Re: Portuguese passports etc.
(Dr Jose Colaco to Dr Kevin Saldanha: Unless your parents registered you as an Indian citizen at the time of your birth, I do not know HOW you could legally or logically classify yourself as Indian first. Unless, you contend that there is something called an Indian Race.) I'm sure Kevin can defend his case ably and convincingly, but it's obvious to all that Dr JC looks at the concept of nationality as a two-dimensional affair: race and citizenship. His next argument would be that there's no such thing called an Indian race -- as if there's a Goan race! It does not occur to him that there's a dominant third dimension to the issue - - that of cultural affinity, which encompasses vast areas of tradition, kinship, emotional attachment etc. And that plays a crucial role in determining one's true nationality. Cheers, RKN
[Goanet] Re: Caption contest results
Hi Cecil! Tony Martin said it better, man! "Goa Carnival: Western meat, Eastern beat!" My prize goes to him. Anyway, who're the other two winners? Cheers, RKN
[Goanet] Re: Re: Savika Gomes' Excuse me in Red
Hi folks! Don't you people notice the thread of intolerance common to all these posts? What these handful of Goans settled abroad want is a pristine (read primitive) Goa where they can throw their weight around and flaunt their goodies during vacations and in retirement. They don't mind having a few white-skinned guys around to share drinks at the local bar, but they don't want any locals who are smarter than them around. And that's their main grouse: India made these "country cousins" smarter, better educated and more prosperous than these NRIs expected them to be through universal education and liberal subsidies. The "village bumpkins" are no longer awed by their expensive suits, fancy gizmos and yankee accents. How can they tolerate it? Please note that I'm talking of SOME NRI Goans with deep-seated complexes and not of the majoirty of them like Eddie and Mario. Cheers, RKN
[Goanet] Re: Spiced-up SFX
(This does not mean that I will not defend my point of view, which I have spent a lifetime developing.) This reminds me of a story. Please note that this is just a story and not meant to offend or challenge anybody: A man in his 60s was enamoured of a temple bull, particularly its circular horns. Every morning the old man would gaze wistfully at the mighty horns for hours and ponder what would happen if he shoved his head into the circle. But he never had the guts to test it. Years passed. The old man, now in his 70s, one day found the bull lying on the floor in a relaxed manner. He couldn't resist the temptation any more. "It'll just take a second," he thought and gently put his head between the horns. The rattled bull sprang to its feet and started running, with the old man forked between the horns. Some astounded bystanders ran after the bull and managed to free the old guy. He escaped with a broken collar bone and a few bruises. "Hey, how could you do such a thoughtless thing?" someone asked. "Thoughtless?" replied the old man. "What do you think I've been thinking of all these years?" Mario's points of view, which he spent a lifetime developing, remind me of this story. :-) Cheers, RKN
[Goanet] Re: Getting what we pray for
<< Considering it is virtually impossible for an "outsider" to open business in Kerala, how difficult is it for a Keralite (or for that matter, any non-Goan) to open business in Goa? Has this "loophole" been closed yet? >> Gabriel de Figueiredo \\ Seems a rabble rousing viral outbreak has hit our folks *Down Under* Lawrence \\ Hi Lawrence, One can understand 'bharati' colaco barking in the dark about "neo- colonialism" from far-off Macau, but Gabriel definitely is a more sensible person though, one must say, his knowledge of the Indian administrative set-up is a bit hazy at best. His pet peeve is that brown-skinned Indians from other parts of the country are holding key positions in Goa. For the benefit of all those diaspora Goans who keep broaching this isssue every now and then, I would like to compare the situation with Kerala, the main source of their heartburn. It may come as a little bit of revelation to them, but the fact is that nearly 70 per cent of IAS/IPS and Indian Forest Service officers in Kerala are from outside the State -- including more than half the district collectors, district police chiefs and divisional forest officers. Yet I haven't heard any Keralite complaining that "outsiders" are "colonising" them. A majority of the high court judges and almost always the chief justice are "outsiders." The State Governors are never appointed from the same state. It's part of the checks and balances meant to deter them from dabbling in local politics, at least in theory. Julio Ribeiro never held any post in Goa. He was the police chief of Bombay and, later, Punjab. Did any Mumbaikar or Punjabi say that Goans are "colonising" them? We had a Goan army chief. Did anyone keep cribbing that the Indian Army is being "colonised" by a Goan? If you don't find too many Goans in the administrative machinery, it's because Goan youth shy away from tough competitive exams. If you want to be the Chief Secretary or the police chief of a state, you only have to pass the Civil Service exams. No one will deny you a posting simply because you happen to be a Goan. But the posting may not be in Goa. If Goans filled up all the key posts in Goa, as Dr Gilbert Lawarence pointed out the other day, I shudder to think of the consequences. Not that they are inefficient of particularly corrupt but, as you know, absolute power corrupts absolutely! Cheers, RKN
[Goanet] Re: Getting what we pray for
(Considering it is virtually impossible for an "outsider" to open business in Kerala, how difficult is it for a Keralite (or for that matter, any non-Goan) to open business in Goa? Has this "loophole" been closed yet?) Have you ever visited Kerala, Gabriel? What "loophole" are you talking about? Goa is an integral part of India and any Indian is free to travel to and settle down in Goa as they are free to do in any part of India, including Kerala. Just take a trip to any city in Kerala and see for yourselves the percentage of "outsiders" running successful enterprises there. Keralites, like Goans, are not too good at business. The Kerala countrysides are teeming with migrant labourers from Tamil Nadu, while Keralite youth sweat it out outside the State due to some peculiar image conciousness. -- RKN
[Goanet] Re: India: The fatwa
(Chriz Vaz wrote: No rationale, Mario. Indians were always horny toads and sex was part of their culture as evidenced by Kama Sutra.) Perhaps that includes your ancestors? -- RKN
[Goanet] Re:Re: India: The Fatwa
(Hey, Sachin, of course India is a threat to "old Europe", which has been in economic stagnation for sometime now. Don't forget we used to be one of their colonies. The Europeans still patronize the US, which has left them so far behind, so why should a new threat be exempt? You are right about China being a bigger threat, but for some reason, these old Europian socialists seem to have a greater affinity and respect for the communist countries than for democracies like India.) Mario, please don't corrupt young minds. Regards, RKN
[Goanet] Re: Re: Posts on Goa
(Dr Gilbert Lawrance wrote: Please do not be too harsh on the miniscule minority of Bhatkars and Fidalgos in Goa (pre-1961). They were really like "A one-eyed person, who is a king among the blind".) Harsh, doctor? Never. Having had occasions to interact with them closely, I've found most of them to be perfect gentlemen -- suave, cultured and generous to a fault. They make excellent friends. I've enjoyed their gracious hospitality and always believed that it was the prevailing social milieu that turned their borebears into villains -- much like the zamindars elsewhere in India. Nairs are despised in Kerala for the very same reason, so I do empathise with them. But what's unique about some Goan bhatkars of vintage variety is their seemingly disproportionate and illogical loyalty to the Portuguese. The moment the letter 'P' is uttered, they put the blinkers on and begin to brag about the three bridges and a radio station the Portuguese had managed to build in 450 years. I always restrained myself (for fear of losing a few good friends) from saying that the bridges survived because nothing heavier than bullock carts passed over them! I'm only coaxing them to accept the reality and stop living in the past because I sincerely believe that their intellectual vigour and loyalty can be true assets to modern India. There's hope. The younger generation is not so obsessed with their Portuguese past as the oldies. Cheers, RKN
[Goanet] Re: Posts on Goa
(Gabriel de Figueiredo wrote: So 44 years on, Goa has deteriorated from being a neat and civilized society to the shambles it is today.) Gabriel, Goa might look like "shambles" to you from Melbourne, but to people like us (resident Goans and other Indians familiar with the place), it's a far more progressive, prosperous and democratic State than the colonial backwater that it was when taken from the Portuguese. As another poster has pointed out (to whom you replied), Portuguese Goa was a "neat and civilized society" only to the miniscule minority of bhatkars and their progeny like you. For the vast majority, it was an awful place with few opportunities, no freedom and zilch hope, so that they were forced to migrate to all parts of the globe. It's quite easy to put a gloss over distant events and physical distance makes it easier to talk down to native Indians, especially when you're in a developed country. But let me tell you (and others of your ilk), my friend, you're suffering from hypochondria -- things are not so bad as you imagine them to be. We've our imperfections and shortcomings but we're doing fine, sir! Regards, RKN
[Goanet] RE: Goa MP files FIR
-- |Goanetters annual meet in Goa is scheduled for Dec 27, 2005 @ 4pm | || | Watch this space for more details | || -- (Alemao alleged that the reporter and another person, allegedly representing an NGO, visited him four times requesting funds for a public library in Goa. He claimed that he had offered to sell them land for the purpose for a token price of Rs 3 lakh against its market worth of Rs 15 lakh.) Nice spin this! What does a mobile library need land for? Does his plot of land move around on wheels? -- RKN -- |Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | || | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | --
[Goanet] Well done, Helga!
Hi Helga! We Goanetters are proud of you. I never missed a single post from you from the Icy Continent and learnt quite a lot from your reports. They gave me fresh insights and perspectives on this fascinating part of our planet. While thanking you for your commendable efforts, I wish you all scucess in your career and look forward to more posts from you. Wish you and all Goanetters a Merry Christmas & Happy New Year in advance! Cheers, RKN -- |Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | || | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | --
[Goanet] Re: Goa to make HIV-free certificates 'must' for marriages
(Justine wrote: Have I understood this correctly; it is not just an HIV test that is required, but that the test must be negative? Can anyone explain the logic of this? I cannot see what is to be gained by preventing an HIV+ person from marrying as long as the partner is fully aware of their status. I also wonder what effect this requirement the new market for foreigners marrying in Goa. It is not long since in the U.K. merely having an HIV test, even if it was negative, could be enough to make obtaining insurance difficult, so this may put people off. That said, if this requirement can be shown to cut transmission of HIV it will be a price worth paying.) If the fear of leading an unmarried life can prompt people to guard against contracting HIV/AIDS, why not? As the saying goes, law protects those who can't protect themselves : -) Cheers, RKN -- |Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | || | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | --
[Goanet] Re: Re: Expats
(Afra Dias wrote: When a Hindu/Muslim in Goa calls me 'Untie' I tell them since when did I become ur Aunt. It is a 'p*ss take' as far as I'm concerned.) That's in bad taste, Afra! Never thought you're that type! -- RKN -- |Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | || | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | --
[Goanet] RE: Women -- Kevin's world
-- |Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | || | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | -- 26. You should never look for someone to COMPLETE you...a relationship consists of two WHOLE individuals...look for someone complimentary...not supplementary. / Logically, it should be the other way round: 'Look for someone supplementary... not complimentary.' Also, such extremist views may be fit for the Western world, not the Indian milieu. Which Indian woman will marry someone with a bunch of children from a bunch of women? While doing a cut-and-paste job, please pause and ponder whether the material is fit for the intended audience. Cheers, RKN --- * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * --- Spread the Christmas cheer - even when you're not here! Send Christmas Greetings to your loved ones in Goa. 2005 Christmas Package - Flowers, Bubbles and Layers of Love. http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/ ---
[Goanet] RE: Gen Musharraf in Kuwait
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- Veronica Fernandes never ceases to amuse. Read this, for example: "Sometimes Devine punishment can render punitive actions such as Sunami and Earthquake thru which Kashmir can get uprooted from its current location and resurface somewhere else thereby denying the fighting parties their wishes and make them eat humble pie." Never heard of such a geographical upheaval before. Yet one hopes, if and when it happens, Kashmir does not "resurface" in the Arabian Sea, next to Goa, in which case poor Goans will lose their peace of mind! Cheers, RKN -- |Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | || | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | --
[Goanet] RE: An Outernet Meeting with Bernado Colaco
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- It's indeed a great relief, Prof De Souza! Hope the interaction had a sobering effect on him! Cheers, RKN During my lecture-visit to Macau during this week I did not resist calling upon Ole-Xac! Many on Goanet, including Fred himself, have tried in the past to trace the whereabouts of "mysterious" Bernado Colaco who has accompanied Goan affairs on Goanet and several other forums with a vehement passion for pre-1961 Goa and with equally vehement revulsion for the "bharatis"! What did I find behind the internet-familiar nickname of ole-xac? A cheerful and active middle-aged Goa-lover! Over a delicious lunch-break of chinese iam-chan (?) to which I was generously invited by the Colaco couple, I was pleasantly surprised to meet an old acquaintance: BC's charming wife Xela Dias! Her father's face may have been familiar to all the Britto students who borrowed books from the school library! Fred must have been surely a voracious book-eater! At least in the pre-internet era. Xela had also frequented the Portuguese language course at the Xavier Centre of Historical Research when I was still around. She confesses that it proved to be a good start. She uses it everyday in Macau (along with basic Cantonese). She insisted in maintaining conversation with me in fluent Portuguese! Though Bernado had often succeeded in provoking me on the goanet and some other nets, I do not think he will succeed in doing so any further! Not after interacting with him personally in the land of A-Ma! http://www.geocities.com/teodesouza/bc_trs181105.jpg Teotonio R. de Souza
[Goanet] RE: RE: the Borges road to nowhere - final
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- (Dr Jose Colaco wrote: I could have humoured you by attempting to provide PROOF that I am a descendant of MY family (a family which spoke Konkani and only Konkani - in Velim for generations etc) , But that would mean that I would have to ask you proof too - that you are the descendant of your family. But I will not go that Road to Nowhere. What with Fake Birth certificates et al) Hi old boy Jose, Prof Borges was not asking you to provide proof that you are a descendant of your family, which all of us obviously are. (We're all descendants of Adam and Eve, you know!) He was asking you to prove that your family spoke only Konkani -- nothing but Konkani. Got it? Now do you have any evidence on it? Cheers, RKN
[Goanet] RE: RE: AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP - Novembrachi 15vi
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- I was talking about organised religions, Lino, not spirituality. Regards, RKN Domnic wrote: Somoz dhorm ek vokot koxem jem soglleank upkarta. (Believe religion as medicine which can be useful for all.) Radhakrishnan Nair wrote: If that's the case, the organised religions as they are practised today are well past their expiry dates and, therefore, toxic if not downright poisonous. Medicines have an expiry date, you know! Cheers, RKN * Religion as medicine Call it the power of prayer or spiritual healing, and I think there is no expiry dates for this powerful medicine. Lino Dourado
[Goanet] RE: AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP - Novembrachi 15vi, 2005!
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- Somoz dhorm ek vokot koxem jem soglleank upkarta. (Believe religion as medicine which can be useful for all.) If that's the case, the organised religions as they are practised today are well past their expiry dates and, therefore, toxic -- if not downright poisonous. Medicines have an expiry date, you know! Cheers, RKN
[Goanet] RE: Never watch a movie with a Goan
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- Superb piece, Bina! It reminded of an incident shortly after the Fatorda football stadium was opened in the late '80s. A heated match was going on between Russians and Hungarians when two guys sitting next to the press gallery came to blows. It seems that one guy who was standing and cheering was kicked in the butt by the chap sitting behind him. Such commotions are quite common during football matches in Goa and Kerala. But what's surprising is that no one has commented on your rib-tickling article so far. Does it mean that Goans (except Cecil Pinto) can't laugh at themselves? :-) Cheers, RKN
[Goanet] An El Dorado for workers?
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- >From The Hindu Business Line : As Kerala turns into an El Dorado for migrant workers from other States - a deliciously ironic reversal of the traditional outbound experience for aspiring young Keralite jobseekers - it becomes all the more imperative to ensure the highest and most humane standards for labour. By K.G. Kumar AMONG its developmental virtues, Kerala is renowned for the status it accords to its workers, treating them in a manner that few other States do, motivated in large part, no doubt, by its own history of working-class struggles for a fair and decent livelihood. Thus the State Governments official labour policy reiterates the "concerns of this government for the welfare and protection of labour." By seeking to "empower them and improve their quality of life," the policy goes on to add, "Government is also committed to providing labour market security, income security and decent working conditions for the working population." That, unfortunately, was not the experience of the migrant workers from Bihar who were admitted to the General Hospital in the State's capital last week, hungry to the point of starvation, and feverish with suspected malaria and dengue. Two of the migrant workers - engaged in rebuilding the capital city's roads, employed by an outside company - subsequently died. Read the rest of this article at : http://www.blonnet.com/2005/11/07/stories/2005110701851300.htm
[Goanet] Re: Re: Bush to come to India
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- So cute! What about the Blacks and their rights? -- RKN It took the gentlemen farmers 12 years after defeating the British to invent, develop and ratify the US Constitution, which included several unprecendented notions, a co-equal, three legged stool of checks and balances between the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches, the local, state and Federal hierarchy of government, the Electoral College, two Senate seats for every state, large or small, the latter two notions designed to provide regional balance to prevent large or populous states from dominating less populous or smaller states. The concern was to avoid the potential anarchy of the majority from trampling the interests and rights of the smallest minority.
[Goanet] The Messiah
A BBC documentary is set to reveal that President Bush claims to take orders directly from God. The documentary series, to be broadcast later this month in Britain, quotes him as saying: "God would tell me, 'Geroge, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did. And then God would tell me, 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq...' and I did." "And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'George, go get the Palestinians their State and the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God I'm gonna do it!" How very reassuring to know that the leader of the sole Super Power is under His direct command! This world is in safe hands indeed! Cheers, RKN
[Goanet] Re: Visa woes
Your post makes sad reading, Mr de Sousa, but it leaves a crucial question unanswered: What was the reason assigned to the denial of visa to you? You say the Indian Consulate in Frankfurt repeatedly turned down your visa applications and the Indian Embassy in Germany expressed inability to help you. Why? Surely they must have cited some reason for it? In 1995, you did make it to Dabolim but were not allowed to leave the airport and put on the return flight to Germany though, according to you, your papers were in order. What was the reason conveyed to you then? From where did you obtain the visa then? I'm sorry to say this, but it does seem like you're a 'persona non grata'. What have you done to be blacklisted by the Indian Government? Did you carry out any anti-India activity abroad, as Eric Pinto has hinted? -- RKN (Rodolfo de Sousa wrote: In 1995 I left Germany (where I'm residing since 1963)to visit my family in Goa, as is so usual for expats. But at the Dabolim Airport I was stopped, checked and then put on the same plane and packed off back to Germany. The immigration officer (Mr. Alan de Sa) found nothing untoward with my self or my papers but he had to do his duty. Only a Goan can imagine the pain this could bring, to see Goa right before your eyes and then being stopped and then being told to go back to where you came from. Try it! Since then (1995) I've written nearly about 30 letters to all the higher-ups from the President of India to Mr. Pratapsingh Rane the then, and present Chief Minister of Goa, asking them what was the matter? To get a balanced picture, however, it must be said that from the year 2000 I did manage to receive absolution and get temporary visas but only after interminable delays & uncertainties.)
[Goanet] Re: Re: Musings on crossing a hundred.....
(Mario Goveia wrote: One wonders why he did not question his own basic assumption, that a small cabal of elites could make better decisions for entire economies than the weighted average decisions of entire populations, and caused untold economic misery and misallocation of resources) Are you referring to the neocons in White House, Mario? :-) RKN P.S: No further comments on this from me, please!
[Goanet] Re: On Opposite sides of the Globe
It was an interesting piece from Francis Lobo. Witty, pithy and thought-provoking! Congrats, RKN
[Goanet] Re:Re: IS GOA LIBERATABLE FURTHER
Please stop playing this Goan card at the drop of a hat, Rene! You're not fooling anyone, but yourself. I don't have to wear my love for Goa on my sleeve as you do. Cheers, RKN From: rene barreto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] RE: The alleged coining of the word 'liberatable' To: goanet@goanet.org Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Goenkars and Friends of Goenkars ! I think that Mr. Nair's remarks was uncalled for. Let 's stop abusive posts on this Forum ...and more so towards our Goans. rene From: "Radhakrishnan Nair" Maybe they are planning to revive organic farming in Goa by reclaiming the Dabolim airfield from the navy and making it irrigatable. Such a stupendous task calls for a grandiose word to describe their valiant fight and they seem to have decided to call it 'liberatable' instead of the mundane 'irrigatable'. Am I right, Paulo? -- RKN
[Goanet] Re:Re: IS GOA LIBERATABLE FURTHER?
(Helga do Rosario asks: But what does 'libertable' mean Paulo? I could not find it in any of my regular dictionaries.) Exactly my question, Helga! Erudite Paulo and waffling Veronica do make strange bedfellows, but they have found common ground in making Goa 'liberatable' to the extent that Paulo concurs with Veronica's waffling 110 per cent! Maybe they are planning to revive organic farming in Goa by reclaiming the Dabolim airfield from the navy and making it irrigatable. Such a stupendous task calls for a grandiose word to describe their valiant fight and they seem to have decided to call it 'liberatable' instead of the mundane 'irrigatable'. Am I right, Paulo? -- RKN P.S: Wonder whether Cecil had a hand in coining this new word.
[Goanet] RE: Goanet Anniversary!
Hi All! Congratulations to you all on the occasion of Goanet's eleventh anniversary! Great job, Herman, Fred and the other volunteers! I'm somewhat addicted to this site, which is quite different from the other discussion groups I know of. Please keep up this distinct flavour and identity of Goanet. May it grow without losing its charm! Regards & best wishes, RKN _ Search, meet and marry from millions on http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/cgibin/tracking.php?section=tagoff&siteurlsite=msn&domain=1&landing=cobrandbm.pl&creative=bm_aug05_text link_tagoff&referredby=716324 BharatMatrimony.com http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/
[Goanet] Re: Re: We need more Goans to graduate from IITs
(Dr Jose Colaco: If education makes us Reasonable individuals who look at events and others FAIRLY, and in the totality of the circumstances, then we would have achieved something.) Something, indeed! Nice sermon this! (Dr Jose Colaco: If our education, be it in an elite school or a non elite one, makes us intolerant and spiteful bigots, I'd think that it is better to a nobody from a no name Primary School.) How nice to hear these wise words from him! If only one practises what one preaches! -- RKN _ See him in the mustached avatar in Mangal Pandey. http://server1.msn.co.in/SP05/Mangalpandey/index.html Click here to know all about the movie.
RE: [Goanet]15th August ... ( II ) MY INDIA
Hi, Joe! I do appreciate your patriotic fervour, but the lines of the lyric are slightly different: 'Mera jootha hei Japani Yeh pataloon English thani Sar pe lal topi Roossi Phir bhi dil hei Hindustani!' Jai Hind! RKN Independence Day (India). Yes, my India is the best in the world. SARE JAHAM SE ACHAA HINDUSTAN HAMARA Right now I may not be in my India and with my money & style abroad, I may not appear Indian to many but my heart will always be Indian, always stay Indian . MERA JOOTA HAI JAPANI YE PATLOON INGLISTANI MATE PE TOPI RUSI PHIR BHI DIL HAI HINDUSTANI I salute, JAI HIND. _ See him in the mustached avatar in Mangal Pandey. http://server1.msn.co.in/SP05/Mangalpandey/index.html Click here to know all about the movie.
[Goanet]Congrats!
Hi Constantino! I'm a Goanetter. Liked your piece on Nalini De Sousa. Well-written and thought-provoking. We need more such writings. Pl keep it up! Regards, RKN _ Try the new MSN Desktop Search Toolbar. http://server1.msn.co.in/sp05/msntoolbar/index.asp Just answer 3 simple questions.
[Goanet](Off-topic) Comedy fest
From a Reuters report on the ongoing Edinburgh Fringe Festival: "Comedians from round the world have descended on Edinburghs Fringe Festival believing they have what it takes to make humour truly international. Whether pillorying every country that springs to mind or telling the joke about swimming badly with dolphins, they argue that humour needs know no boundaries. American comic Dave Fulton, among hundreds of stand-up acts to grace the stage at the worlds biggest, and some would say wackiest arts festival, thinks he has found the perfect solution; mocking every country he has ever been to. What succeeds in Dubai goes down just as well in Cape Town. Humour is invariably translatable. It is all about recognition and surprise, and stand-up comedy is the last bastion of free speech, he told Reuters after mocking fellow Americans as much as the rest of the world in his high-octane gig. Americas big problem is giving answers but not asking questions. It will take a decade to repair the damage done by the Bush administration, he said. Others do not escape his ire. Canadians are just Mexicans with sweaters, he said, casting political correctness to the winds. We cannot go to war with India -- we would have no one to connect us to our bank when we ring." Are Mario and Merwyn listening? Cheers, RKN _ Formula One fan? http://server1.msn.co.in/sp05/tataracing/ Get news, wallpapers and photos of Narain Karthikeyan.
[Goanet]Re: (Goanet) Re: EASTINDIAND DRIFT
MIKE (from Michael) The opposite of a wasp (white anglo saxon protestant) is a wog (western oriental gentleman) Why are East Indians from the West coast of India? Arjun RESPONSE: I don't think that is correct although ti seems to fit the bill. Wog was a derogatory term for black people. it derives from gollywog. Which was a black doll (depicting a black person) This gollywog was imprinted on Robertson's jams until not so long ago. Political correctness caused it's demise. Not exactly, Gabe! WOG (Westernised Oriental Gentleman) was a sobriquet accorded to Western-educated Indian elites like ICS officers during the Raj. Cheers, RKN _ NRI! Grab the FREEDOM OFFER! http://creative.mediaturf.net/creatives/citibankrca/rca_msntagofline.htm Zero balance Account from Citibank!
[Goanet]Re: Re: NEED OF THE HOUR
(Mr Floriano Lobo on Goa Su-Raj Constitution: Since much could not be written down in the Constitution, we have included only 3 items there. One: A five member cabinet. Two: No chairmanship of Govt. Corporations and Institutions to MLAs, and Three: Absolutely no amendments allowed to the above two articles as well as a few other important articles, throughout the life of the Party.) An honourable sentiment of course, sir! But is it a practical proposition? Will you be able to retain your MLAs after the elections? Regards, RKN _ Looking for a date? http://match.msn.co.in/match/mt.cfm?pg=channel&tcid=234764 Meet interesting singles like you
[Goanet]Re: Re: britain and immigrants
(The statement is NOT true, in fact totally wrong. Cip) What statement is totally wrong, Cip? -- RKN _ 7000 classifieds http://www.sulekha.com/classifieds/cllist.aspx?nma=IN&ref=msn -Chennai, Mumbai, Hyderabad Bangalore.
[Goanet]Re: Re: NEED OF THE HOUR
(Mr Floriano Lobo: For your kind information, Sir, we, at Goa Su-Raj Party consider all other parties as dirty, soiled and unusable rags, fit to be thrown out along with their patrons. And should you want to pick up a healthy argument on this count with me, you are most welcome. Thank you, with kind regards, floriano) Thank you for your prompt response, sir! I wish you and Goa Su-Raj Party all success. I only hope Goa Su-Raj does not go the way of the "dirty, soiled and unusable rags, fit to be thrown out along with their patrons," if and when it captures power in Goa. After all, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely! Regards & best wishes, RKN _ Meet interesting singles like you http://match.msn.co.in/match/mt.cfm?pg=channel&tcid=234764 Sign up with Match.com
[Goanet](no subject)
(Mr Rene Barreto says: Mr Nair, I believe You are TRYING to ridicule SOME our Goans , please stop doing that. Please stop being too smart. I am not too sure if other Goans feel the same or are they too scared to say so. rene) Of course I'm trying to ridicule SOME Goans who keep harping on "outsiders" polluting the serenity of Goa while they themselves are comfortably ensconced in other parts of India and the world. -- RKN _ NRIs, does your family in India need money urgently? http://creative.mediaturf.net/creatives/icicibank/ICICI_NRI_ERA.htm Open an ICICI Bank NRI savings A/c
[Goanet]Re: Re: britain and immigrants
Mr Rene Barreto wants me to explain my recent statement that there are parallels between the anti-foreigner frenzy in Britain and the anti-outsider hysteria in Goa. Don't know what's there to explain in the simple, straight-forward sentences. I think I was not talking in riddles, but merely stating the obvious. Regards, RKN --- Radhakrishnan Nair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: COMMENT: If the word 'Foreigners' is replaced with 'Outsiders', the above comment would fit the Goan situation nicely. Of course, for 'white Britain' read 'some chauvinistic Goans'. Cheers, RKN Mr. Nair , Could you please clarify - your comments ...please. Thanks rene (Saw a book titled Bloody Foreigners, published in Britain in 2004 but reissued this year in paperback. I haven't read, but hope it buy it. Did anyone on the goanet read it? _ Reach out to over a million NRIs. http://www.sulekha.com/classifieds/cllist.aspx?nma=IN&ref=msn Get great responses for your ads.
[Goanet]Re: Re: NEED OF THE HOUR
The weighty public discourse between Mr Floriano Lobo and Mr Nasci Caldeira is interesting. But I was somewhat flummoxed by this solemn declaration by Mr Lobo in his latest post: "We do not accept money unless it is to finance our projects." Does he mean that other political parties accept money to finance someone else's projects? Shall be grateful if Mr Lobo could be a little more elaborate on it. Cheers, RKN _ Aamir Khan is back! http://server1.msn.co.in/SP05/Mangalpandey/index.html See him in the mustached avatar in Mangal Pandey.
[Goanet]RE: britain and immigrants
(Saw a book titled Bloody Foreigners, published in Britain in 2004 but reissued this year in paperback. I haven't read, but hope it buy it. Did anyone on the goanet read it? This is the type of hysteria that white Britain creates and then the consequences is what we see now happening in that country. No doubt the immigrant Muslim community, and many others, were disturbed with Tony Blair's support to USA in its War Against Terror, the underlying problem seems immigrant distrust and frustration. The social ills of racial discrimination and prejudice takes its own toll. Sad but true. Eugene Correia) COMMENT: If the word 'Foreigners' is replaced with 'Outsiders', the above comment would fit the Goan situation nicely. Of course, for 'white Britain' read 'some chauvinistic Goans'. Cheers, RKN _ NRIs, Send money FREE. http://creative.mediaturf.net/creatives/icicibank/ICICI_NRI_SM30.htm To over 30 banks across India.
[Goanet]RE: Graphic details
(Veronica Fernandes: Local Pressmen came fully prepared and the next day Arab Times, the local daily brought in its front page as headline, photographic review of the funeral, my photo appeared at the very strategic place holding Francis Sister who was screaming and trying to rush to the coffin to open it in defiance of the instruction but I was holding her very tightly with the help of others too because inspite of my top physical fitness that time since I was still a top foot-baller in Kuwait amongst the Indians, I was totally subdued by the sudden mighty physical power of Francis sister) Wow! Great narrative! -- RKN _ Job hunting? Get the right one! http://creative.mediaturf.net/creatives/timesjobs/hotmail_TOL.htm Log on to www.timesjobs.com TODAY
[Goanet]RE: RE: Trustworthy surnames
(Cecil Pinto wrote: Your attacks on the English language are well appreciated. But surely there must be some better way of advancing the Konkani cause rather than just by attacking English the way you do in your writings.) Cecil, attack is too mild a word in this case. 'Butchering' is more appropriate. Btw, could someone tell me whether Veronica is a musculine or feminine name. Or some hybrid type, in which case such names shouldn't be trusted either. Cheers, RKN _ NRIs, Choose the best solution. http://creative.mediaturf.net/creatives/citibankrca/rca_msntagofline.htm With Citibank Rupee Checking Account!
[Goanet]RE: Was Jinnah secular?
(Sandeep Heble wrote: By no standards could Jinnah have been called a secular liberal leader. Jinnah never conceived of a Pakistan which was based on the principles of secularism that completely separated the State from religion. Rather, he envisioned Pakistan as a state whose political, social and economic system would seek inspiration and guidance from Islam.) Sandeep, Jinnah was a politician and an astute one at that. Even today, a politician who does not swear by Islam and Holy Quaran at every turn has no future in Pakistan, not to speak of the surcharged times of Jinnah. Do you think the Pakistanis would have tolerated it had Jinnah exhorted them to embrace the Western model of democracy? That would have looked like sacrilege and negation of the very cause of Pakistan's creation and existence. So it's understandable that Jinnah couched his democratic impulses in Islamic verbiage. Advani has clarified that he made the remarks in the context of a speech Jinnah had delivered to the National Assembly immediately before his death. That speech was suppressed in Pakistan after his death. It's unfair to pick up bits and pieces out of context to paint someone a fundamentalist. The statements have to be read in the context of the social milieu and time in history to understand their true import. Cheers, RKN _ NRIs, FREE Money Transfers. http://creative.mediaturf.net/creatives/citibankrca/rca_msntagofline.htm Now more with the Rupee Checking Account!
[Goanet]RE: Semantics of migration
(Cecil wrote: To my mind this simple syntax would solve the problem but there is obviously more to it? Because by my rule a 'black' man in the USA would be an American-African and yet the term used is African-American.) Yes, Cecil! There's a little more to it. The thumb rule for such cases is that the first word is taken as adjective while the second word is the noun. Independently, both 'African' and 'American' can be either noun or adjective. So when you say 'African-American' the word 'African' is the adjective. It qualifes 'American' (of African origin). It's almost like saying 'patriotic Indian' or 'proud Portuguese'. When there are more than two such words, the last word is the noun while the preceding words are qualifiers. So I agree with Nasci that when you say Goan-Canandian, it means a Canadian citizen of Goan origin. So methinks Bosco was right in describing himself as a Goan-Canadian. Cheers, RKN _ Send nudges, winks n more. http://messenger.msn.co.in The all new MSN Messenger!
[Goanet]RE: Einstein, Bose, Gandhi
(Dr Teotonio wrote: UN has dedicated this year to Physics. From what I know, Bose in Calcutta was recognized by his peers in India only after Einstein acknowledged his statistical error" as no error! Bosons entered into the new physics as a result! India has also the Raman effect to its credit in the realm of modern physics. Independently from these scientific contributions, Einstein was an admirer of Gandhi. Perhaps more than of Tagore.) I get the gist of your post, Professor! The crab mentality is not confined to any particular region of India. Nor is it limited to any time period. It's a continuous process that keeps the best and brightest in India within the cesspool of jealousy, hatred and backbiting! A few like Bose and Tagore do manage to get out of the mire, but the majority lead a wretched existence within the gutter. To your list I can readily add two more names: Mathematician Srinivasan Ramanujam and writer R.K. Narayan, who were "discovered" by Westerners. Cheers, RKN _ Kareena or Rani? Saif or SRK? http://server1.msn.co.in/sp05/iifa/ Rock your vote now at IIFA.
[Goanet]RE: Fight against Mopa
(Bernado Colaco: According to IE, Mopa is going to be commissioned in 2014 with world class facilities. IE in its map shows Mopa in the middle of Goa which is wrong. Besides we already have a Dabolim which can be world class. Mopa is a waste. Fight against the construction of Mopa!) Why don't you fly down to Goa and do the fighting yourself? -- RKN _ Kareena or Rani? Saif or SRK? http://server1.msn.co.in/sp05/iifa/ Rock your vote now at IIFA.
[Goanet]RE: RE: Bride, Pride, Prejudice.....
(Dr JC wrote: These same Indian men who complain about "Gori Sonia" and "Gori Mother Teresa" prefer Fair skinned female actresses ...or they will not watch the films.) Tut, tut... doc! I don't mind dark-skinned female actresses... I'll not only watch their films but enjoy more, if I can get anywhere near them -- black, brown, gori or of whatever complexion, including 'Red Indian' with whom you must be familiar. And as I've repeatedly reminded you of, I'm an Indian male and a solid one at that! Could you help find a female actress or at least a starlet of whatever complextion for me please? Thank you in advance, RKN _ Dhoom ya Humtum? http://server1.msn.co.in/sp05/iifa/ Which is your fav movie?
[Goanet]RE: RE: Annual Konkan Fruit Festival
(Gabriel wrote: As to the rest of his stay, "India is overwhelming - wow!". But he was disappointed in the under-utilisation of computers - explained to him that human-power is more valued in India than computer-power, hence five people doing the work that one person would do over here.) Methinks the practice of over-staffing in India dates back to the feudal days. In those days, almost the entire village population depended on the zamindar household for livelihood. In most such households, there were people exclusively to draw water from the well, to pound condiments and to mend fences (literally) etc. Over-staffing and resistance to computerisation in India are vestiges of the feudal legacy, which makes sense in the light of over-population, high unemployment rate, availability of cheap labour and, above all, the 'chalta hei' attitude. It's a way of life, perplexing though it may be to Westerners. Anyway, the scene is changing with globalisation and entry of multinationals. Companies are laying off people and becoming "leaner and meaner" to face "global competition." Don't know it's for the better or worse... Cheers! -- RKN _ NRIs open a savings a/c with just INR 10,000 http://creative.mediaturf.net/creatives/icicibank/TOL210405.htm FREE money transfers.
[Goanet]RE: Assistance! Rent Out or Lease?
Dear Domnic & Bosco, Please forgive Dr Jose's selective amnesia. I've learnt to live with it. Wishing you all a Happy Easter! Regards, RKN From: "domnic fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], goanet@goanet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Assistance! Rent Out or Lease? Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:45:13 +0300 Dear Jose, Your response did appear on Goanet. I read your article "Squatting & Letting." It's a very well-written article; every word therein reflects true happenings in Goa. Best regards, Domnic From: "jose colaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: goanet@goanet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Assistance! Rent Out or Lease? Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:46:22 + Dear Dominic, I had sent this up to GoaNet and TGF yesterday. It is possible that it got lost in Sigh!-burr-space. I am reposting it today good wishes jc when you have the opportunity, please review this article - Squatting & Letting http://www.colaco.net/1/GoaRentingOutNightmare.htm From: "domnic fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A piece of advice for future: As far as renting of a house is concerned, try not to enter into a long term agreement but go for a short term agreement called INSTRUMENT OF LICENSE valid for eleven (11) months only. It is suggested that you collect six months rent in advance from the LICENSEE at the time of signing the agreement. The rent for the remaining five months should be made available by the LICENSEE to the LICENSOR before the end of the sixth month. If he/she is unable to pay the balance at the end of the sixth month, issue him/her a months notice and make him/her vacate the house. If the LICENSEE does not agree to these terms, do not allow him/her to occupy your house. Make sure you do not include the word tenant in your agreement. Also, avoid using the word "rent;" you may instead use the words "license fee." Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA Earlier Preetam Rana wrote the following: Seeking your opinion and advise, i may not be a subscriber to the goanet but heard a lot about it for the benefit of Goans.A friend of mine has rented a house in Goa he is a goan , and rented it to a non goan , for the last several months the tenant has not been paying and the tenant is threatening the landlord that he is ready to fight in the court, the agreement says the landlord can eithe give one months notice to the tenant or evict him anytime shoudl he fail to pay, but the tenant is refusing to vacate. He has even deployed security personnel inside the house. The agreement started in 2003 and ends in 2006 , can the landlord file a criminal complaint in the police station if so under what clause/section? Or is there any other alternate way to get rid of such people who behave as honest people in the begining but later are a nuisance to goa and goans? My friend is an elderly person and he cannot run to the court as court matters normally take years to pronounce a judgement. Should he try what the crooks try by hiring some goons and evicting such outsiders ? Please advise Thanks in anticipation for all those who will assist. Preetam = Dear Dominic, Thanks for that post. Your advice makes very good sense. Cecil Pinto too has very sound advice re: the goons. Don't know on WHAT basis the Police could be involved in a "civil law" matter. If the goons actually threaten a person, SURE; other wise ? Anyway, there is an article on the website which might interest Preetam. It is called: Goa: House Swiping It's at http://www.colaco.net Look under TGF Editorials good wishes jc _ Don't know where to look for your life partner? http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/cgi-bin/bmclicks1.cgi?74 Trust BharatMatrimony.com
[Goanet]Why the Indian military in Goa?
Elementary, Dr...er...whatever! To do such dirty jobs as this: BREAKING NEWS: Tonnes of oil spill into the sea off Goa, due to a collision between a barge and an oil tanker. Coast Guard is working to control the spill. The accident occurred 3.7 nautical miles from Aguada at around 1 am early on March 23. Chairman of the Goa Pollution Control Board LU Joshi said the leak had been plugged by 4 am. Coast Guard vessels have been deployed. Two Dornier aircrafts with oil dispersants have been brought to the state. No casualties reported, but this is expected to have an adverse impact on the environment. (All India Radio) Will you please lend a hand in cleaning up this mess? Jai Hind! Viva Goa! -- RKN _ The MSN Survey! http://www.cross-tab.com/surveys/run/test.asp?sid=2026&respid=1 Help us help you better!
[Goanet]RE: RE: Goan herrings....
(For all I know, I am likely to be right sometimes, and wrong many times.) You're right, doctor! -- RKN _ The MSN Survey! http://www.cross-tab.com/surveys/run/test.asp?sid=2026&respid=1 Help us help you better!
[Goanet]RE: RE: Airfields
Are you in possession of your faculties, Professor? -- RKN I am reminded of the saying "with friends like these who needs enemies!?" Maybe it can be paraphrased suitably to highlight the role of the great defenders of our shores. :)That reminds me of another phrase "sleeping with the enemy". With its Dabolim attitude the Navy can at least be accused of being a big drag on Goa's economy and society, net net.:) _ News, views and gossip. http://www.msn.co.in/Cinema/ Get it all at MSN Cinema!
[Goanet]RE: RE: NEWS: Kerala, airport, initiatives... can Goa follow?
(Prof. Philip Thomas: When was the last time a Goa CM took any interest in Dabolim airport? Sure we have had some press statements by the ex-Tourism Minister and the South Goa MP. And some people even swear by the Rajya Sabha (?) MP. But their information base seems woefully lacking and their public posturing does not inspire any confidence. Due to this vacuum the Navy gets a virtually free hand at Dabolim and the Goan economy and society suffer.) There is a crucial difference between CIAL and Dabolim. CIAL is a greenfield airport in which the State Government and private parties hold equity shares. It was constructed to avoid frictions with the Navy in Kochi. The CM was referring to the airport in which it holds a controlling stake, and not to the naval airport. Cheers, RKN _ Make money with Zero Investment. http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/4686-26272-10936-31?ck=RegSell Start your business.
[Goanet]RE: RE: RE: Sending off protest mail
(Nasci Caldeira: I challenge u to come up with some comprehensive piece of writing to say that I am wrong on this. It has to be backed by statistics or plain simple reasoning. Remember, everything is 'comparative' in reasoning; and also do not compare with other countries or states etc. talk only of Goa. OK?) I ask you, Mr Caldeira, what statistics or "plain simple reasoning" do you have in support of your original claim? I quote you: "In India the e-mail system and cyber space availability is still only available with a few rich." Please note that you talk of India, but you want me to restrict my reply to Goa. Even in the case of Goa, you are way off the mark, Mr Caldeira. When I said you were wrong, I was simply stating the obvious. Anyone who has a nodding acquaintance with the present-day India/Goa will vouch for it. You came on a brief junket, saw someone going out to check his e-mail and assumed that in Goa/India those who have PCs at home don't use it for e-mail; they always do it from cybercafes only! You saw a computer wrapped in polythene sheet and you again assumed that most people in Goa keep their PCs wrapped in "plastic bags" as showpieces! One swallow does not a summer make, Mr Caldeira! Those are your assumptions, not facts. I challenge you to prove me wrong with statistics! Cheers, RKN _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]RE: RE: Sending off protest mail
(Nasci Caldeira: After all, in India the e-mail system and cyber space availability is still only available with a few rich) You're wrong as usual, Mr Caldeira! -- RKN _ Millions of profiles to choose from. http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/cgi-bin/bmclicks1.cgi?74 Only on BharatMatrimony.com.
[Goanet]RE: RE: Key to Mopa's viablity
(Old boy Nasci Caldeira holds forth: Is RKN your only supporter on goanet, also in this scam, for the best outcome for the land speculators around Mopa? I would think so! . Please stop encouaging airports and schemes which do not benefit all Goans equally.) It's beyond comprehension how such posts escape Goanet filters... I don't want to comment on his personal insuinations against me because it doesn't affect me in anyway. As for when and on what grounds I supported Prof Philip Thomas is also beyond comprehension since our areas of interest are vastly different. The bit about "ariports and schemes" is amusing because it sounds like a pseudo-socialist slogan. I just wsih to repeat a piece of advice I gave Nasci long back: The less you talk, the better! Cheers, RKN _ Want to meet David Beckham? http://www.msn.co.in/gillette/ Fly to Madrid with Gillette!
[Goanet]RE: RE: Small Mercies!
What about "dishonest handlers of public money?" -- RKN Cip Fernandes wrote in response to my posting on the subject: "Do you really think this sort of language is appropriate? Could you please re-phrase it?" Dear Cip: When Churchill called a fellow-member of Parliament (I think it was Labour's Aneurin Bevan) a "Liar", he was pulled up by the Speaker and asked to re-phrase his statement - which he obliged by accusing Bevan of being guilty of a "terminological inexactitude!" Perhaps you could suggest an appropriate euphemism to meet the requirements in this case! ---Tony. _ Click, Upload, Print. http://www.kodakexpress.co.in?soe=4956 Deliver in India.
[Goanet]RE: Honourable?
(Tony Correia-Afonso wrote: Unless we give up such hyprocrisy and learn to call a spade a spade, we cannot hope for any reform in the system.) Absolutely true and sound logic as always, Mr Correia-Afonso. But can we call a spade a spade? Imagine the consequences if we use the deserving adjectives you've mentioned to refer to our rulers in public! Like, the MLA from Balatkarwadi, Mr Rapist, the MP from Chorchowki, Mr Thief, etc. Cheers, RKN _ The real power of teamwork. Experience it in real time. http://www.microsoft.com/india/office/experience/ Experience MS Office System.
[Goanet]RE: RE: Flight of fancy
(Prof Philip Thomas quotes a 'A Poet's Lament': Lord, save me from the awful predicament of having to recite poetry to people who seem unable or unwilling to appreciate a word of it! Amen.) Actually, it's a variant of a couplet from the Rig Veda: "Oh Lord! Never be I fated to recite poetry to a buffalo!) Cheers, RKN _ The real power of teamwork. Experience it in real time. http://www.microsoft.com/india/office/experience/ Experience MS Office System.
[Goanet]RE:RE: Voice of the Exploited
(Sachin Phadte wrote: We shoud recognise that the organisations/persons who are protesting about the film "Sin", had strongly criticised Hindu organisations when the latter had protested the making of films like "Water" by Mira Nair.) Oops, Sachin! It's Deepa Mehta, not Mira Nair. The latter is a non-controversial celebrity. It was Deepa Mehta who raised a storm in a tea cup with her humbug triology, 'Earth', 'Water', and the pretentious kitsch 'Fire'. Regards, RKN _ Manage information better. Optimise your tasks. http://www.microsoft.com/india/office/experience/ Experience MS Office System.
[Goanet]Welcome back, Paulo!
Hi, Paulo! Nice to see your mail on Goanet again! Welcome back! -- RKN _ Try the all-new MSN Search! Find exactly what you want. http://search.msn.co.in Get more value for your time.
[Goanet]RE: RE: Questions about Goan gold
(Re: the choice of words, you and I know it well that (E)Inglish is a very funny language (specially for the Indians). Almeidaji(G)ji! In this context, I should like to remind you of an altercation between V.K. Krishna Menon and the then British Ambasaador to the UN who had found fault with some expression of VKK. Krishna Menon shot back: "Mr Ambassador, I'll not have you give me lessons in the English language. I learned it, and didn't pick it up as you did!" That effectively sealed the mouth of the condescending Brit. Btw, what do you think of the current developments in Goa, Almeidaji(G)ji? Of course, your chum JC will justify your support to the saffron brigade by saying that you had spread only 0.004 per cent of venom. That's like piddling into a 3,000-gallon water tank just once and claiming that the water is 99.996 per cent pure! Cheers, RKN _ 3 million brides and grooms. http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/cgi-bin/bmclicks1.cgi?74 Find your life-partner at BharatMatrimony.com
[Goanet]RE: TGF's persona (personae) of the year
(GRATEFUL if readers of GoaNet and Goa-Goans would submit their nominations with about 200 words as to why they support that nomination. Please do so before Jan 27, 2005.) I nominate Dr JC for his valiant expousal of lost causes! Cheers, RKN _ The real power of teamwork. Experience it in real time. http://www.microsoft.com/india/office/experience/ Experience MS Office System.
[Goanet]RE: RE: Curiosity et all....
The gist of Dr JC's arguments is this: (RKN 4: The Indian mission was there to persuade the Portuguese to FOLLOW in the footsteps of the French and leave gracefully. JC 5: The French exited Pondicherry in November, 1954, but the the Indian Mission was withdrawn from Portugal on 11 June 1953. If the main purpose was to "persuade the Portuguese to FOLLOW in the footsteps of the French and leave gracefully", It is strange that the Indian Mission in Portugal (the colonial power in Goa at the time) departed a good 17 months BEFORE the French left Pondicherry. How does one FOLLOW .BEFORE ? Hanh?) My comments: As usual, he is splitting hair on semantics. A reasonably educated person knows that "follow in the footsteps" is a figurative speech which merely means "do likewise" or "follow the example of." In this context it just means "be dignified like the French". It's not as if the French suddenly decided one fine morning to quit Pondicherry and packed their bags and left the same day. As early as in 1948, the French Government had made its intention clear on a peaceful withdrawal from Indian territories. India wanted the Portuguese to do likewise. As for the closure of the Indian misssion, we all know that the immediate cause was unprovoked firing on peaceful demonstrators, resulting in many deaths. I stand by my earlier assertions and have nothing more to say on the subject. If Dr JC wishes to stretch this debate to infinity, I wish him good luck! I thank everyone who has been sending me messages offline. We've our differences but we can learn from one another in a spirit of accommodation and respect for each other's views. Regards, RKN _ Try the all-new MSN Search! Find exactly what you want. http://search.msn.co.in Get more value for your time.
[Goanet]RE: RE: Curiosity et al ...
(Dr JC: Perhaps you will help me (at least ) with the answer to the following query: Assuming we agree that the Republic of India invaded Goa in 1961, When exactly did the Republic of India have possession of Goa before 1961 ? and ... WHY did the Republic of India have a Diplomatic presence in Goa until ~ 1955?) Dear Dr JC, There's a sense of deja vu in it, innit? We've gone thru it before, heard and seen it all. Hope it doesn't degenerate into another storm in a tea cup -- prompting you to resort to name-calling and personal attacks! What's new in the queries you've raised? Way back in 1947, some princely states, notably Travancore and Hyderabad, tried to question the validity of the Indian Union and failed. The ruling classes there beat a hasty retreat when Sardar Patel made it clear to them that he would not take such nonsense from anyone, least of all from the bloated collaborators of colonialism. I know what's on your mind right now: Don't bring other states into this, let's stick to Goa, right? Well, a few enclaves controlled by Portugal and France were left untouched at that time because the nascent nation did not want to ruffle the feathers of the international community. And it had more internal problems than it could handle; it also wanted to give diplomacy a chance in settling the issue. The French were sagacious enough to see the writing on the wall and had graceful exit. But no such luck with Portugal. You know the reasons: Portugal was not a democracy then; it was feared that parting with Goa would spell trouble in its African colonies etc. etc. Now, anyone trying to question the rights of India in taking control of Goa, Daman and Diu are indulging in futile and irresponsible kite-flying. Portugal has recognised India's soverign rights over Goa, Daman and Diu. So what purpose is served by a handful of Goans (most of them comfortably ensconced in foreign shores) raking up the issue again and again? That partly answers your second query. The Indian mission was there to persuade the Portuguese to follow in the footsteps of the French and leave gracefully. But when it became obvious that it was a futile exercise, the mission was wound up. Now don't tell me that the Portuguese mission is Goa is trying to persuade India to return the territory to them! Regards, RKN _ Get head hunted by 5000 tech recruiters. http://www.naukri.com/tieups/tieups.php?othersrcp=534 Post your CV on Naukri.com.
[Goanet]RE:RE: Curiosity et al ....
So you agree India was right in recapturing the territory from the Portuguese. Right, Dr JC? -- R.K.N. (Dr JC: I strongly believe that it is wrong to attack without being attacked. That is why I have fundamental difficulty with India's unprovoked 1961 invasion of Goa.) Do you have the same "fundamental difficulty" with the Portuguese invasion of Goa in the first place, Dr JC? Just curious, RKN == Dear RKN...my answer is YES! I strongly believe that the Portuguese should NOT have got mixed up in the blood bath involving the Hindu and Muslim warlord kings controlling Goa. If they were interested in black pepper, they should have taken the pepper and gone back to where they came from. Yes. the Portuguese had NO business to invade Adil Shah's Goa. Full stop. hope that solves your curiousity jc _ Get head hunted by 5000 tech recruiters. http://www.naukri.com/tieups/tieups.php?othersrcp=534 Post your CV on Naukri.com.
[Goanet]RE: Notice: JC dropping out...
(Dr JC: I strongly believe that it is wrong to attack without being attacked. That is why I have fundamental difficulty with India's unprovoked 1961 invasion of Goa.) Do you have the same "fundamental difficulty" with the Portuguese invasion of Goa in the first place, Dr JC? Just curious, RKN _ Redefine team work. Discover your true potential. http://www.microsoft.com/india/office/experience/ With the MS product suite.
[Goanet]RE: Some more details from Ribandar
(From an earlier post: The girl came running into the Priest's office with a message. The Priest pointed out his hand, and quickly turned around. The girl ran into his finger with full speed, and her breast got badly hurt.) Fantastic theory! Reminds me of Aires'(?) post sometime back on another topic that a dog came rushing and hit his car! Is this twisted logic a peculiar feature of Ribandar residents? Anyway, the author of the above gem would do well not to proclaim his journalistic creditials in every post. It gives journalists a bad name! Cheers, RKN _ MSN Spaces! Your space, your time. http://www.msn.co.in/spaces Your personal haven online.
[Goanet]RE: RE: A tragedia....
(Dr Jose Colaco wrote: Dear Jorge Fernandobab & You are absolutely correct, and I am absolutely incorrect) You incorrect, doctor saab? Impossible! This reminds me of a joke from Pothen Joseph, a doyen of Indian journalism: Once there was a boss who thought he was infallible. One day, he walked in and announced: "For once I was mistaken!" "You mistaken?" cried the cronies. "Impossible!" "Yes," said the infallible one. "Once I thought I was wrong when I wasn't!" Cheers & a Happy New Year to all of you! RKN _ Citibank Suvidha account at No Minimum Balance! http://creative.mediaturf.net/creatives/suvidha/suvidha_hmtagoffline_dec04.htm Apply & get FREE watch!
[Goanet]RE: RE: Betting odds
(The 'Real' Marlon wrote: A quick check of this person's IP address indicates that it originated from Kuwait, which interestingly is an exact match to the IP address of Gasper Almeida who has a well established reputation for trying to impersonate others on the net!) Gotch, Almeidaji(G)ji! Are you okay, dear? -- RKN _ Citibank Suvidha account at No Minimum Balance! http://creative.mediaturf.net/creatives/suvidha/suvidha_hmtagoffline_dec04.htm Apply & get FREE watch!
[Goanet]US survey
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## From The Washington Post of Dec. 18, 2004 Limit Muslim Americans' Rights, Many in Poll Say ITHACA, N.Y. -- Nearly half of Americans believe the government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim Americans, according to a nationwide telephone poll of 715 people. The Cornell University survey found that 44 percent favored at least some restrictions on the civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Forty-eight percent said liberties should not be restricted in any way. The margin of error was plus or minus 3.6 percentage points. Pollsters found that Republicans and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or people who say they are less religious. Researchers also found that respondents who paid more attention to television news were more likely to fear terrorist attacks and support limiting the rights of Muslim Americans. _ Searching for your soulmate? Zero in on the perfect choice. http://www.astroyogi.com/newmsn/astrodate/ Try MSN Astrodate now!
[Goanet]RE: RE: Critical of IFFI
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## (Now you seem to be doing a COST-BENEFIT analysis and not a SWOT analysis as originally advised!) It would be helpful if jargons and unfamiliar acronyms are explained in the posts for the benefit of the lay reader. 'Cost-benefit analysis' is easily understood. But SWOT? Well, for the uninitiated, it's Strength, Weakness, Opportunity and Threat. Example: My wife is my strength. My neighbour's wife is my weakness. Opportunity is when he goes on tour. And threat is when I go on tour! A bit bawdy, but proves the point all the same. Cheers, RKN _ Pep up your screen! Kickstart your day! http://www.msn.co.in/Cinema/screensaver/ Get these vibrant screensavers!
[Goanet]RE: RE: Goan Schemes...
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Now I know why nobody takes you seriously, Almeidaji(G)! -- RKN _ Chat with 1000s of singles. http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/cgi-bin/bmclicks1.cgi?74 Let BharatMatrimony.com's Instant Messenger show you how.
[Goanet]RE: Vaccines vs. bednets: the malaria dilemma
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Hi Fred, What does this sentence mean, buddy? "There are few clearer examples of the need to combine high-tech solutions to development issues with the reality of problems as experienced and perceived on the ground than the challenge of designing an international strategy to combat malaria." It would be helpful if a summary is given in simple sentences instead of reproducing such convoluted verbose. Of course, a link can be provided for those interested in the original text. Regards, RKN _ Chat with 1000s of singles. http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/cgi-bin/bmclicks1.cgi?74 Let BharatMatrimony.com's Instant Messenger show you how.
[Goanet]RE: RE: The chickens coming home to roost
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Hi, Mario! The New York Times a left-wing publication? That's news to me! And, as a student of journalism, of immense importance to me. Thanx for that vital information! Regards, RKN _ All the news that matters. Just the way you like it. http://www.msn.co.in/News/ Only at MSN News!
[Goanet]RE: RE: Goan Prayers Answered
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## (Prof Philip Thomas wrote: One of the areas in which it must show some dynamism is with regard to the freeing up of Dabolim airport from purely Navy control.) I've always wanted to skirt any comment on this issue, Professor! But since you've broached it in response to a post from me, I've no choice but speak my mind. Frankly, I think it's unreasonable to expect the navy to vacate Dabolim. They've invested far too much there. A more practical solution would be to build another airport with private participation. If Kerala can do it, why not Goa? As you know, Cochin International Airport is a profitable venture in every sense. I know this will make some people like bharati colaco froth in the mouth. According to them, the Indian Navy is an occupying force. They don't give a damn as to how the Goan soldiers and their families feel about such an epithet. I would prefer not to engage in any further discussion on this issue. Regards, RKN _ All the news that matters. Just the way you like it. http://www.msn.co.in/News/ Only at MSN News!
[Goanet]RE: Goan prayers answered
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## (Dr Gilbert Lawrence: Goa DID NOT MAKE IT in India's best 25 spots in National Geographic Traveler issue.) This is indeed a matter of concern for the well-wishers of Goa. The National Geographic Traveler is an authoritative publication that caters to top-notch bodies in the tourism and hospitality sector worldwide. Five years ago, it published a list of 50 must-see destinations across the globe. (Fifty-one, in fact, the last being cyberspace). There were two Indian entries -- the Taj Mahal and Kerala State. The policy-makers and industry bodies in Goa must do some introspection as to why Goa is appealing only to backpackers on a shoestring budget and not to the high-spending clientele of the Traveler magazine. Cheers, RKN _ Pep up your screen! Kickstart your day! http://www.msn.co.in/Cinema/screensaver/ Get these vibrant screensavers!
[Goanet]RE: Helga Gomes to participate in Antartica Expedition
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Is it our Goanetter Helga, Eddie? If yes, then bon voyage to you, Helga! Have a nice trip and try to post to Goanet from there! Best wishes, RKN Helga Gomes has been selected by the National Science Foundation of the USA to participate on the next US Expedition to Antarctica. She is scheduled to leave for the Antarctic from New Zealand on the 10th of December on a 45 day expedition. Helga,[EMAIL PROTECTED] was born in Nairobi, Kenya and was raised in Verna, Goa. She is the daughter _ VeriProfile. http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/cgi-bin/bmclicks1.cgi?74 Now verify your partner's profile on BharatMatrimony.com
[Goanet]White Muslim
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White Muslim
By Brendan Bernhard, LA Weekly
Posted on December 7, 2004, Printed on December 7, 2004
http://www.alternet.org/story/20681/
How to Become a Muslim
Five days before 9/11, Charles Vincent bought his first Koran. Six weeks
later, while
smoke was still pouring from the remains of the World Trade Center, he
formally
converted to Islam in the mosque attached to the Islamic Cultural Center on
96th
Street and Third Avenue in New York City. A blond, blue-eyed 29-year-old
from
Torrance, Calif., he readily admits that he chose an unlikely moment to fall
in love
with the world's most newsworthy religion. But in the three years since, his
devotion
to Islam has only deepened. Like a growing number of white Americans and
Europeans, he has discovered that Islam is not just the religion of those
"other"
people.
"Every day I'm more surprised than the day before," he told me one evening
in
October, breaking his Ramadan fast in a harshly lit fast-food restaurant a
few blocks
from the 96th Street mosque. "The last religion I wanted to belong to was
Islam. The
last word that came out of my mouth was Allah. Islam pulled me out of the
biggest
hole I've ever been in."
Dressed as he is in an Islamic-style tunic and a white kufi, or cap, with an
untrimmed
ginger beard sprouting from his handsome, classically Californian face,
Vincent may
look unusual, but he certainly isn't alienated, or for that matter, alone.
In the United
States, there are estimated to be roughly 80,000 white and Hispanic Muslims,
along
with a far greater number of African American ones.
In France, there are perhaps 50,000, according to a secret government
intelligence report leaked to the French newspaper Le Figaro. (A Muslim
resident of the racially mixed Belleville district of
Paris told me that out of every 100 Muslims one sees there, 30 are former
French
Catholics.) The report stated that conversion to Islam "has become a
phenomenon [in
France] that needs to be followed closely." A recent study commissioned by
Jonathan
("Yahya") Birt, a Muslim convert and the son of a former director-general of
the BBC,
put the figure in Britain at a more modest 14,000, and there are similar
estimates for
Spain and Germany. More people are converting on all sides of the globe
from
Australia and New Zealand to Sweden and Denmark. At the moment the number of
converts can only be called a trickle, but it is steady and gathering in
power.
Becoming a Muslim is surprisingly easy. All you need to do is take shahada
say, La
ilaha illa Allah, Muhammadur rasoolu Allah ("There is no true God but God,
and
Muhammad is the Messenger of God") in front of a Muslim witness (or,
according to
some people, two witnesses) and, bingo, you're a Muslim. That done, you are
required to pray five times a day, donate a certain amount of money to
charity, fast
between sunrise and sunset during the month of Ramadan, and, health and
finances
permitting, make at least one haj, or pilgrimage, to Mecca during your
lifetime.
Of course, there's the small matter of why a non-Muslim would first choose
to
convert to a religion increasingly associated with dictatorial governments,
mass
terrorism, videotaped beheadings and the oppression of women. One reason
might
be disillusionment with wall-to-wall entertainment, jaded sexuality,
spiritual anomie
and all the other ailments of the materialistic West. Another might be
protest. A few
days after George Bush's re-election, critic James Wolcott joked on his blog
that, in
tribute to the president's (and the Christian right's) victorious
pro-religion agenda, he
was going to convert to Islam, not least because "fasting during Ramadan
should be
wonderfully slimming, enabling me to get into the Carnaby Street paisley
shirt that
was a bit binding the last time I tried it on." A few days later he
announced he was
putting his conversion on hold following a long discussion with his editor,
Graydon
Carter, who had pointed out that another Vanity Fair writer was thinking
along the
same lines and two Islamic converts on the same perfumed masthead might be a
bit
much.
In fact, had one of the Vanity Fair scribes been serious about going down to
the
mosque to offer his services to Allah, no one at the mosque would have
blinked an
eye. Recently I was present as Heriberto Silva, a Catholic teacher of
Spanish literature
at the City University of New York, took shahada and became Abdullah Silva,
Muslim,
during Friday prayers at the 96th Street mosque. A frail 60-year-old bundled
into an
old parka, a thick volume titled "A History of the Arabs"
[Goanet]RE: RE: Goan crewmen collections
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## (bharati colaco: Harry Burton was my driving tutor and a retired person from P&O. During the drives he would recount episodes of his journeys. He would start with you'll Goans are different from the bloody trouble makers (bharatis)) Richard Burton was my journalism tutor after he retired from films and broke up with Liz Taylor. Between lectures he used to tell me: "Some of you bharatis are damn bloody liars!" -- R.K.N. _ Dont miss out on jobs that are not advertised. http://goindia.msnserver.com/IN/55250.asp Post your CV on naukri.com today.
[Goanet]RE:RE: Hindu takeover of Catholic villages
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## That was quite a sensible post from Mario Goveia. Didn't know he could discuss issues other than American politics, that too without pouring scorn on others! Cheers, RKN _ Microsofts festive bonanza! Buy a branded Home PC. http://server1.msn.co.in/sp04/festivebonanza/ Win a fabulous holiday!
[Goanet]RE:RE: Hindu takeover of Catholic villages
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## That was quite a sensible post from Mario Goveia. Didn't know he could discuss issues other American politics, that too without pouring scorn on others! Cheers, RKN _ Searching for your soulmate? Zero in on the perfect choice. http://www.astroyogi.com/newmsn/astrodate/ Try MSN Astrodate now!
[Goanet]RE: DIARY OF A SNOW SHOVELER
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Great stuff, Tim! Who's the author? Is it you? Regards, RKN _ Cool ringtones, snazzy logos! Funny cards, addictive games! http://www.msn.co.in/Mobile/ Get them all at one place!
[Goanet]RE: Travel Info Request
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## (Luke Nichols: To whom it may concern: Can you send me a couple travel brochures? Destination don't matter. Thanks! Luke Nichols 299 Old Oakvale Road Princeton, WV 24740 USA PS- If you received this email in error, I apologize. ln) Are you so desperate to get out of the US of A, Nichols? Wait a minute and listen to Mario Goveia before you leave! Bon voyage! RKN _ NRIs - Free money transfer to India. Fly to India for free! http://acm.bridgeovertw.com/hdfc/qr/landingpage/sep04/index.htm?sitecode=610|394 Apply Now.
[Goanet]RE:RE: Arafat, Palestine etc.
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## (Mario Goveia: We can still disagree with what those mean or what to do about them, but that is what freedom is all about, don't you think?) Yes, Mario! You can continue to parrot right-wing humbug but please don't flood my inbox with such junk. It's an infringement on my freedom! You say you don't know Fred. Nor do you know Santosh, Tariq and Marlon -- otherwise you would not have used the kind of language you did. You used expletives against Santosh and called Marlon a snake. It's a tribute to their education and upbringing that their response was quite civil and dignified. For your edification, all the four of them are bright young professionals, respected in their fields of activity. So next time you're cornered by cold logic, please use more polite language or someone else will reply to pidgin French in chociest Portuguese or spicy Malayalam! Cheers, RKN _ The all-new MSN Search. Get fast and precise results. http://search.msn.co.in Try it now!
[Goanet]RE: RE: Mother and child back in the Ribandar church
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## (Joaquim Cardozo: To err is human. If one thinks he is perfect, then he is on the wrong planet. I think its time to pray for such people rather than get to them via internet. Leave the dogs alone. Good wishes to you Maria. J) Aren't you the same Joaquim who sent me a lengthy e-mail denigrating Aires Rodrigues and pleading hard not to believe anything that the lawyer might say about someone in future a month BEFORE the accusations against the priest surfaced? Another instance of seeking anticipatory bail? -- R.K.N. _ The Citi Rupee Checking Acct. Send money home free! http://creative.mediaturf.net/creatives/citibankrca/rca_msntextlinks.htm Get fabulous benefits too!
[Goanet]RE:RE: Lessons from Tamil Nadu
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## (Maria Rodrigues: On the 21st of July 2004, long time before I even knew who Mr. Aires Rodrigues was, and long time before Mr. Rodrigues started his attacks on the Convent and Church in Ribandar, I wrote to you) So you knew it was coming and was setting the ground for a feeble defence, eh? Like taking an anticipatory bail? But, if I remember correctly, at that time your e-mail id was something other than '[EMAIL PROTECTED]". Why do you have to try so hard to prove that you're indeed what you claim to be? Btw, you introduced yourself as a resident of Mumbai. How come you're so uptodate on the happenings in faraway Ribandar? And finally, what was your motive behind publicising the identity of the minor victim? Please don't try to duck my queries with a charade of hollow sermons. -- R.K.N. _ The Citi Rupee Checking Acct. Send money home free! http://creative.mediaturf.net/creatives/citibankrca/rca_msntextlinks.htm Get fabulous benefits too!
[Goanet]RE: RE: Arafat, Palestine
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## (Gabriel de Figueiredo: As far as you and many others are concerned, it appears OK for India to occupy Goa, but not so for Israel to occupy Palestine? Common, either you stand for justice, or you don't. The similarities between the two situations are glaring.) Looks like this guy is a greater entertainer than poor old Bernado! According to him, there are "glaring similarities" between Goa and Palestine! Could he enlighten us what they are? How many Palestinians are represented in the Israeli Knesset and how does Israel subsidise the Palestinian territory? All these barks in the dark are just entertaining for some and somewhat irritating for others. But no one takes just "barkers" seriously, Mr Figueiredo! Cheers, RKN _ The Citi Rupee Checking Acct. Send money home free! http://creative.mediaturf.net/creatives/citibankrca/rca_msntextlinks.htm Get fabulous benefits too!
[Goanet]RE: Mother & child back in Ribandar church
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## It is surprising that the post with the above subject line has been cleared without omitting the child's name. A fundamental norm in Indian journalism is not to reveal the identity of rape and molestation victims, especially minors, not only to avoid social stigma but also to ensure their protection. The post by Maria Rodrigues is a serious violation of this established norm. The child's name has been mentioned in almost every para of that tendentious post. -- R.K.N. _ The Citi Rupee Checking Acct. Send money home free! http://creative.mediaturf.net/creatives/citibankrca/rca_msntextlinks.htm Get fabulous benefits too!
[Goanet]RE: Questions about Hindu caste
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## (Dr Gilbert Lawrence asks: What would happen if an intelligent liberal upper caste Hindu (and family) walked into a temple with a lower caste (and his family)? What would happen if a lower caste Hindu (and his family) took a liberal, intelligent upper caste Hindu (and family) into their temple and then had a meal with them?) Nothing! The heaven won't fall! In fact, such things are happening in several parts of the country. Inter-caste marriages among the Hindus are no longer a novelty. It's only the most obscurantist and ignorant among the Hindus who cling to their caste hangovers today. In fact, my own observation is that those who have nothing else to flaunt, flaunt their castes! I would have done away with my surname if I had a choice. Cheers, RKN _ Life on the fast track! Get hooked to it! http://server1.msn.co.in/sp04/tataracing/ Meet the champs!
[Goanet]RE: On being Goan
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Cecil dear, You've dragged me into a debate I've little interest in joining in. Goa is something special to my heart -- a cherished part of my youth. As you realise, your view that if you love any other part of the country, then your love for Goa is not genuine is too simplistic a notion. I love Inida, Kerala AND Goa -- not necessarily in that order. Maybe we Keralites are quite polygamous in these things -- while you Goans are strictly monogamous. Still I love you for what you are. Try to understand me, if you can! Regards, RKN _ The all-new MSN Mesenger! Get the coolest emoticons. http://server1.msn.co.in/sp04/messengerchat/ Share more of yourself!
