[Goanet] Essence of Goa online store at www.goacom.com offline?
Hello, I just tried to go to www.goacom.com to check out the online store. It has disappeared (old bookmarked links don't work) and it looks like the site is in the process of a flashy redesign. Does anyone know when it will be back online? Or is it possible to contact the store owner(s) through alternative means. Thanks so much. Best Regards.
[Goanet]Re: Global dimming/global warming
Mario replies: Libertarians do consider themselves to be independent relative to conservatives and liberals in the US political spectrum. Again, just pointing out that the Cato Institute is not regarded as independent, regardless of how you perceive it. It is rather well-known as a libertarian policy institute. As one very frequent Goanet poster once said: One is entitled to their own opinions on facts. One is not entitled to their own facts. The name of this Goanet poster escapes me though ;-)
[Goanet]Re: Global dimming/global warming
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:19:55 -0800 (PST) Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Since you seem seriously concerned let me refer you to a brief article called A Massive Extinction of Logic by Patrick J. Michaels, a senior fellow in environmental studies at the Cato Institute, which can be seen at: www.cato.org/dailys/01-13-04-2.html The article discusses the computer models that are used to alarm you. For you Brits, the Cato Institute is an independent and highly respected think tank. Hey, I'm a Brit. and a Yank :-) A correction here. The Cato Institute is not an *independent* think-tank. Rather, it is a libertarian think-tank. For further clarification, look no further than how the Cato Institute describes itself: http://www.cato.org/about/about.html Just to be clear: I am not saying that this paper is nonsense. However, any policy papers produced by ANY institution that promotes a particular agenda need to be regarded carefully. By definition, such papers are not from an independent point of view.
[Goanet]Re: RE: Betting odds?
Herman, I see your point of certain members being unable to cope with the load/getting fed up and unsubscribing is valid. But does that really happen all that much, or is it more of a theoretical possibility? I would wager that most people just skip over stuff they don't want to read. They don't HAVE to read everything posted :-) ( I certainly don't.) You need to look at it from the other side as well. You said: Furthermore, not all the members on the list were welcomed the debate. One well-regarded member asked Is this Goanet or Iraq-Net? We, therefore, decided to put and end to the debate I do not know what the definition of well-regarded member is... Is it some special status one gets ? Have you accounted for when people perceive these kinds of actions by the goanet-admin team as selective censorship and unsubscribe as a result? Is that fair? Message: 9 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:01:31 -0500 From: Herman Carneiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Point taken. A few responses preceded by ***. Quoting Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (Copying this to Herman Fred as some of my posting to Goa-Net mysteriously disappear.) *** It's not fair to say that your posts mysteriously disappear as if we discard them underhandedly. We have nothing to gain by doing that. If an email is rejected from the forum an email automatically sent to you automatically by the mailing list program. We add comments informing you why it was rejected
[Goanet]Re: Betting Odds?
Tim, I applaud this mail! As you know, Mario and I have disagreed vociferously too - but I completely agree with him (and you) on this one. You have hit the nail on the head: the definition of what is annoying depends on who is annoyed. Maybe if the title is renamed to : Goa Chickens coming home to roost! then it will be deemed acceptable :-) :-) From: Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: RE: [Goanet]Betting odds? Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 11:35:18 -0500 Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fred, We may just have to agree to disagree. However, your specific comments cry out for some rebuttals: Far be it for me to defend Mario on his political views but on this e-mail I have to agree with him. Most of the exchange of e-mails on the political stance of the US in Iraq, etc has been put forth by by some right wing leaning members. The have been well ariticulated and for the most part these discussions have been carried out in a civilized manner. The counter arguments have been put forward by many of our members who are very well regarded by the general membership. They have articulated and presented well balanced counter arguments. This debate, as far as content goes, IMHO, surpasses many other discussions that have taken place on this forum. These discussions have taken place between Goans who consider these arguments important. To take such arguments offline, as some of them did, deprives others of the discussion taking place. I would also remind Fred that on Aug 11 2004 he said: (ii) That discourse is idle. IMHO, sharing of information has a critical role to play in the life of any society. Our goals, our action, our plans, our future... all depends on our ideas and what we know. Hence, while some people get impatient with discourse (and what is dismissed as mere talk), this too has an important role to play. === There are many posts that keep popping up with fair regularity that I consider annoying and of little merit either to Goa or to the general membership. Consider, for example, the self promoting posts of Rene regarding Goa Day. Is it the opinion of the GoaNet Admin team that as long as the post contains the word Goa in it, any such drivel is acceptable? The decision to stop the debate is nothing more than small minded thinking by the Admin Team. And ridiculous! Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] CANADA
[Goanet]Re: Chickens coming home to roost!
Upon reading this post, I decided to re-read the news article previously referenced. http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/10/22/divide_seen_in _voter_knowledge/' The last few lines are particularly apt here, in regards to this post. People have a hard time admitting the discrediting of the reasons given to go to war in Iraq. In fact, they still maintain the reasons are completely valid - despite all the evidence to the contrary. This is very counter-intuitive. From a pure sociological point of view, I wonder why this is so. Is it because in general, some people have a hard time admitting that they could be wrong? Or are there other reasons? The lines are excerpted below: ... the dissonance among Bush voters reflects the country's difficulty coming to grips with the discrediting of the rationale for the Iraq war.This period will really stand out as when the US went to war on assumptions that turned out to be incorrect, he said. The body politic is still struggling to come to terms with that. ... From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Chickens coming home to roost! [...] Yes, no WMDs have been found in Iraq. However, neither has there been any accounting of what happened to the WMDs Iraq had. There has been some speculation in reports, but no one knows for sure. [...] Bush voters are using common sense. [...] The question is, what happened to the WMDs not accounted for.
[Goanet]Re: Chickens coming home to roost!
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## The problem with this post is that it completely ignores facts, preferring instead to repeat patriotic-sounding statements and talking points. Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:42:41 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re: Chickens coming home to roost! 1. No one believes Saddam was involved in 9/11. 2. The 9/11 Commission report detailed numerous links between Saddam's Iraq and Al Qaeda. Why do you guys think Al Qaeda would be active all over the world, except Iraq, a major supporter of terrorism? After these first couple of points were debunked, I stopped reading. For more information on the truth behind this, see http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/10/22/divide_seen_in_voter_knowledge/ Some excerpts: A large majority of self-identified Bush voters polled believe Saddam Hussein provided substantial support to Al Qaeda, and 47 percent believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction before the US invasion. Among the president's supporters, 57 percent queried think international public opinion favors Bush's reelection, and 51 percent believe that most Islamic countries support US-led efforts to fight terrorism. No weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq, the Sept. 11 Commission found no evidence of substantial Iraqi support for Al Qaeda, and international public opinion polls have shown widespread opposition to Bush's reelection. ... And many of the Bush voters surveyed knew that the Duelfer report said Hussein had no WMDs, but continue to believe that he did regardless. ... dissonance among Bush voters reflects the country's difficulty coming to grips with the discrediting of the rationale for the Iraq war.
[Goanet]Re: Chickens coming home to roost!
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:15:05 -0800 (PST) From: Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Chickens coming home to roost! --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I still haven't heard an explanation about what happened to the Iraqi WMDs that were never accounted for. Ooops! I forgot! The Globe Mail told you that they never had any! Sorry. Can't expect an answer from you on that question. I fail to understand why you continue to peddle lies on this forum. http://middleeastreference.org.uk/iraqweapons.html Tariq, There are some folks who completely ignore facts, preferring ideology and propaganda. They will refuse to believe when presented with irrefutable proof. Rather, they will respond with patriotic-sounding statements that are bereft of independent, critical thinking. To do any different would mean admitting they are wrong, and they are not capable of doing this. Witness how there are still people who believe Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11 in cahoots with Osama bin Laden - and there are still massive stockpiles of WMD waiting to be found. Or that there was no Abu Ghraib prison abuse. Iraq is calm and free. Afghanistan is a benign democratic ocean. People are waiting in line to enlist and go to Iraq. The list goes on. It is impossible to convince these people. On a related note: I've started wondering how Goenkars can become hard right-wing conservatives lacking the ability to consider the possibility they could be wrong
[Goanet]Re: A Must Read before you vote
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:46:47 -0400 From: Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ron-- It is nice to hear a further voice in these deliberations. It can only add to our enlightenment I hope. I heartily agree. I would recommend a re-reading of Mario's comments. It would be helpful if you provided point-by-point rebuttals. As I recall, Mario had made at least five points. If you did not receive Mario's e-mail, I would be happy to forward. Please do so, I do not have Mario's email. I might just point out that shooting from the hip has liberated 25 million Afghanis from Taliban bondage and brought about the first ever democratic election in their country! This important (I would say earthshaking) event is of monumental significance and cannot be minimized! By shooting from the hip, I do not mean Afghanistan. I mean Iraq. I completely supported the war in Afghanistan. Too bad the Bushies forgot to focus on the aftermath, though. The spin aside, Karzai is really mayor of Kabul. and the Taliban have successfully re-organised. And if we support our hardworking troops instead of frequently calling into question their competence, 25 million Iraqis will have freedom--and free elections just as you and I have! No-one is questioning the competence of the troops - just the competence of the current administration. I'm sure Bush is a perfectly nice guy - he just happens to not really be qualified for his job. May I also point out that the grand coalition Bush Sr. had put together and supported by Kerry's friends including the French, Germans, and even radical nations such as Syria, did not meet Kerry's global test! He had voted against the resolution to drive Saddam out of Kuwait! Bush Sr. DID put a grand coalition together. Whether one agrees with that war or not. And by the way- that war was over oil, not democracy. Kerry and a LOT of others opposed it. That said, Bush Sr. did his job making a case. Don't believe the W spin. Go read Kerry's comments about the global test - from the first debate. Basically, he said you need to ensure that you have made a good case for military action. I'm sorry - Bush didn't. He just decided to go ahead, forgetting this is not a dictatorship. I would also recommend a reading of Unfit for Command. It is must reading for those planning to vote! Indeed. It highlights the gross incompetence of the current leaders. Sy Hersh has been a thorn in the side for many administrations; and the current one is not spared. Thankfully, questioning our leaders is NO LONGER considered unpatriotic. cheers
Re: [Goanet]A Must Read before you Vote
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Chris, I completely disagree on the Monday morning quarterbacking comment. Read Seymour Hersh's book 'Chain of Command'. It is really quite frightening what the administration chose to ignore. Yes, after 9/11 things changed. However, things changing does not mean that it is now OK to shoot from the hip, without completely thinking through. Unfortunately, that is what GWB and Co. did. And, spin aside - this was no grand coalition. If you look at what Bush's Dad did in 1991 - that was a GRAND coalition. whether you agree with that war or not, this fact is indisputable. And let's not get started on W's economic policies... The problem is that the GOP leadership has been taken over by right-wing nuts. I would LOVE to know why they suddenly dropped focus on al-Qaeda and went after Saddam. It was like an obsession. Again: go read Chain of Command. Message: 12 From: Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]A Must Read before you Vote Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:29:28 -0400 Organization: Premier Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marlon-- Your response is too simplistic. It is easy to Monday morning quarterback, but after 9/11 we had no option but preempt any future possibility of attack on us. It is insulting to say we had only the UK in our coalition and snub New Europe who have lost personnel, and older countries like Italy, Spain (didn't have the endurance unfortunately), Australians, et al. GWB did all he could to persuade, short of going down on his knees, the French, Germans and the Russians but they adamantly refused to join. As recently as a few days ago, both France and Germany have reiterated that they would not join us in Iraq even if a new Kerry administration comes in. The reason, now being revealed, is that these countries profited considerably under the Oil for Food program and didn't want to let go of the gravy train! Yes, wars are never cheap, and the cost to preserve freedom can be high. We should not forget that this administration inherited a recession after the technology bubble had burst and it was like handing Bush a hand grenade with the pin pulled out.. In the long run it is far cheaper to fight the war on terrorist terrain than fight it on our soil just as the consequences of 9/11 proved. Unfortunately, it does take a degree of spending to bring a country out of recession and recent economic indicators suggest that the country is on the right track. We must persevere if we are to win...
Re: [Goanet]USA Goans, order your goan foods online!
Well, I tried out the goa sausages and prawn mole. Excellent stuff! I'm very excited, I've been hoping for something like this for years. Those in the US, you've gotta try it. Marlon, testing this must have been fun! cheers marlon menezes wrote: After a year of testing (i.e., over indulging in goan foods) I am pleased to announce the launch of the Goan Foods site. You can order and pay the food online and have it shipped to any place in the US. Right now, the following products are being offered: * Goa Sausages * Reichada masala * Mussel pickle * Prawn mole * Prawn balchao * Carrot pickle * Lime pickle In the future, the following products are planned for release: * Bebinca * Tendlim (gerkin) pickle * Sorpotel The products are all made in the USA, with USDA meats, seafoods and vegetables, with a few key ingredients imported from Goa. Those items that are perishable are vacuum-sealed to ensure long shelf lives and maximum freshness. The other items are packaged in leak resistant containers to ensure its safe arrival to your home. Currently, these items are available for sale in the US only and are shipped to any place in the US via USPS. You can check it out at: http://www.goacom.com/goanfoods/ Enjoy! Marlon ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Edgar Martins article on the way things were.................
can someone please repost the article or send it to me directly? thanks Vivian D'Souza wrote: Now, that was a helluva nice article from Edgar Martins, nostalgic, and oh so true.. Brings back so many memories of childhood holidays spent in Goa. I am glad to see Edgar use his talents in writing such a beautiful piece, instead of often beating up on us barbarians from South of the Border (South from Canada where Edgar currently resides that is) and the leaders(in the USA) that we(including yours truly) freely elected. Good work ! I will keep that article and share it with my kids and grandkids. They will wonder what Gilly-dandu and Kantam etc. are, but I will broaden their horizons by relating the events of the past. Here in Goa where I reside for most of the year, we have had our fill of the choicest mangoes. The Mancurad mango tree in our backyard has given us a bounty of the most luscious mangoes I have ever tasted. Now it is on to other varieties of mangoes and Jackfruits which have seemingly flooded the market. We eagerly await the rains, but mercifully, unlike many of my neighbors we do not have a water crisis at our residence, yet. Prudent use of water and some in-advertent rain-water harvesting(through commonsense practices) have obviously had their effect. But the monsoons, the arrival of which I have not personally witnessed since 1947, will bring welcome respite. Daily life in Goa continues at a languid civilized pace. One sees positive signs of change. The City of Panjim is receiving a facelift. Roads are being paved with hot-mix asphalt; historic buildings are being restored and painted in what appears to be their original colors; traffic islands and roundabouts with gardens are being constructed with carved laeterite stone; the first phase of a new market for Panjim has been inaugurated; the new Patto bridge and the bridges over the Mandovi have had their ramparts painted. One can focus on all the things that are wrong in Goa and give a dismal picture or one can choose to look for the positives that improve the life of the average citizen. Sure there are lots of things wrong in Goa. The less one has to deal with the bureaucracy, the better, and I have my own trove of horror stories of encounters with the Customs, the Police, the RTO (where one is compelled to go to get a vehicle registered or to get a drivers license), the Panchayats etc. Putting those things aside, we Goans are friendly, helpful, kind, compassionate, religious, and love to dance and sing (with a little Feni to lubricate our vocal chords). VIVA GOA ! Vivian A. D'Souza (an American enjoying retired life in Goa) ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## . ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] INS-deported Canadian a Goan? Role of Goa Netters!!
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com Folks, I have a question. Ms Cruz is a Canadian citizen. Could this have happened to her if she presented an American passport at the port of entry ? Interested in comments. -- rja ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
