[Goanet]konkani script: creating problems where there should be none
Let us face it; a script is only a tool to write a language in. The language is the content of what you write. With proliferation of computers, it is easy to write software by which at the click of a mouse, devnagari can be transformed into romi or kannada or mallyalam or vice versa. Yes, computers are not widespread yet, but they could be made widespread. Let people write in the script of their choice, and let scripts be converted at the click of a mouse. But will Goans listen to this? Or will they be perenially fighting on which script should be official or which is better? regards, Samir
[Goanet]Re: Information poverty in Goa
Gabriel: What is the investment that you are willing to put into this? No business can run unless it scales, and for that money is needed. I know a lot of Goan entreprenuers who may be willing to take this up if there are investors willing to invest. regards, Samir Gabriel writes: Fred, I think if the lazy govt depts don't do anything about this, I think it is high time some private enterprise should do something. First of all, acquire the rights to something like www.whitepages.goa.in ; Then get sponsorship in form of advertisements etc to pay for setting up the site and its upkeep; Develop a seach engine for telephone numbers - a simple database search will do for starters (could be expanded later on to supply the address / location / map of the place based on what we have recently heard about digitising Goa's streets). Electronic Yellow pages could follow (this is, search for businesses local to the searcher, e.g. florist, car mechanic, etc).; Finally, advertise in the local papers that a website is to be set up to hold directory information for Goan telephone / mobile numbers, and should people want their numbers on the site, they ought to contact the administrator of the website, giving the tel no and/or the postal address where they couls send the information to. Hopefully, people will respond to the call. As an incentive, perhaps the people could be offered book versions of the directory for a low sum of money or even for free (one directory per supplier of the number) if enough sponsorship is obtained through advertisements. Anybody willing enough to take on the responsibilty to see this idea through? Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Australia. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Information poverty in Goa
This can be transformed into a business opportunity. Bangalore has a number hosted by a private company: it is called just-dial-yellow-pages. You dial that number and an operator will give you any listed number. If you ask for a computer shop number, the operator will ask you : are you looking for a computer, and will also give you numbers of ten other computer sellers. The computer sellers pay for such a listing. Getting access to any shop or service has become tremendously easy here in Bangalore now. Perhaps Bangalore has not just beaten the rest of India, but even some Western countries. regards, Samir - Original Message - From: Frederick Noronha (FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 1:12 PM Subject: [Goanet]Information poverty... in Goa Goa lacks a decent and uptodate telephone directory of its own! This is even more acutely felt in a time when Goa's phone network is seeing some vast expansion. To get the maximum efficiency out of the telephone network, we really need to know who else is there on it. Otherwise, we won't get out the benefits of the 'networked economy'. Time that we all campaigned to make officials realise how such a deep level of 'information poverty' affects basic efficiency in the state. If I want to follow-up on computer repairs, if I need to talk to a friend who's into the music scene... there's just no place to check. Ringing 197 (enquiry) is an option; but there must be an easier and less wasteful way of sourcing information. I'd like to be more organised myself, but multi-taking with seemingly a 101 tasks that all needed to be completed yesterday has its own limitations! By contrast, when I was passing through Mangalore recently en route to Thiruvananthapuram (the state-capital of Kerala), it was nice to see the way their society is making the fullest use of information. Apart from having a whole lot of printing presses churning out useful information, the region also had a tiny pocketbook sized 'Mangalore City White Pages'. Costing just Rs 10, the 'book' ofers links to a whole range of information -- from airlines and air timings to water supply. One never ceases to be amazed how effectively South India makes use of all the information it has. This is perhaps one reason why the South is faring fairly well -- and has probable raced ahead of the advantages that Goa had in the past -- in a number of fields, ranging from education, to IT, to transparency in public life, involvement of citizens in civic affairs and village administration, and more. Information poverty cripples. It's time Goa realised that. FN
[Goanet]SEZ in Goa: which industries are we targetting?
I am not sure which industries are being targetted via this SEZ. As far as IT industry is concerned, having an STPI (software technology park) is good enough. I am not sure if Bangalore has SEZ for instance. IT industry needs good telecom, good power, and good skilled engineers. Besides, IT industry needs a brand (to attract customers) , and no uncertainties such as strikes, bandhs etc. To begin with, the Bangalore brand can be leveraged. The trend for the IT industry is to go to lower cost places. Wipro for instance is banking big on Orissa. Wipro was to come to Goa, but apparently has changed its mind. Why? Inviting IT giants to open a division of theirs in Goa will slowly help Goa build a brand in IT. Once the brand is built, it is a positive feedback loop whereby entreprenuers will automatically come to Goa. However, for the biggies to come to Goa, they have to be offered a better deal than what they get in Bangalore and (now) other competing places. regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Spreading fear through Chain letters
Spreading fear through chain letters (such and such a pin was found in a theater and someone got AIDS through it) -- unless these claims are substantiated through evidence --- should not just be banned, but those who post such posts should be held liable for any damages caused. I remember when I was a child, I have got personally affected by such hoaxes. I suggest Goanet admin be held liable if they continue to approve such posts. Many times I have found that those who spread such chain letters have a very cynical and negative view of the world. regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Re: Historic 18 june
Hi Avelino: Manoharrai sardessai poetry sprouts from the Goan soil. And in this poem, he doesnt just talk about 18 june, but has articulated a vision for Goa --- improve the lot of the gavddo. What can be a better vision than to improve the lot of the poorest ? It is sad that instead of getting close to the vision, we have the mess that Goa is in today. Borem magun, Samir A beautiful and inspiring poem! Well done! Avelino Bastora/Kuwait [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Otthra June 18 th June by Manohar Sardesai
[Goanet]Historic 18 June
Today is a historic day in the history of Goa. On this day, in 1946, an unarmed Ram Manohar Lohia took on the might of the armed Portuguese empire. On this day, Dr. Lohia and several thousand Goans defied Portuguese law to converge on an open ground in Margao, Salcette, Goa to demand the colony's freedom. A policeman is said to have aimed a pistol at Dr Lohia wherupon the freedom-fighter held his hand saying, If you shoot me, do you know what will happen to you? The policeman backed off. Dr. Lohia and his companions were placed under arrest. After Goa's liberation, the venue of that historic meeting was christened Dr Lohia Maidan. This immortal poem written by Goa's no. 1 poet, Dr. Manoharrai Sardessai brings back that historic day to all of us. Otthra June 18 th June by Manohar Sardesai translated from the Konkani by Jaime de Mello and Samir Kelekar A sentence in Konkani Its English translation Udok legit zal'lem rogot Even the water had turned to blood Ani rogot zal'lem hun And the blood had become hot. Bhava tuka iad asa Brother, do you remember Otthra Jun? The 18th of June? Bondkhonniche dukhest chire The sad bricks of the prison Nove axen dhodd'dhoddle Throbbed with new hope, Finrgealem mostem bonder The insolent flag of the foreigner Thorthorot somzolem Trembled with understanding Vavzhoddint vetlem mhonnun It would be swept in the windy rain, Pinzun Pinzun Torn to shreds. Bhava tuka iad asa Brother, do you remember Otthra Jun? The 18th of June? Mongllaracho aslo dis It was a Tuesday, Pavs nettan poddttalo A hard rain was falling, Ambeamullant gavddeapor Under the mango tree, a Gawdi boy Kuddkuddot roddttalo Was shivering and crying, Lokhnnacho ailo purus An iron man appeared Khoim sakun konna khobor Nobody knows from where, Tujea xinvaulean gelim You felt a shudder Amchim bhuzam xinxinvun Running through your shoulders. Thoran poram ailim dhanvot Children came running Konnak khobor khoim sakun From nowhere, Zulmachea tubkantlean The cannons of war Ujeagulle gele suttun Unleashed fire balls, Rogtachi ub mellun The heat of blood Bhuim amchi zali hun Scorched our land. Bhava tuka iad asa Brother, do you remember Otthra Jun? The 18th of June? Soddnnukecho ailo dis The day of liberation arrived, Utthun ubo ravlo monis The people stood upright, Sogle pas poddle tuttun Each and every shackle broken. Bhava tuka iad asa Brother, do you remember Otthra Jun? The 18th of June? Kitle oxe aile gele Many days have gone by Otthra Jun! Like the 18th of June! Ambeamullant Kuddkuddta But, under the mango tree, Gavddeacho por ozun The Gawdi boy still weeps, Bhangrachem Goem amchem And our golden Goa Kitlem asa pois ozun! Remains far beyond our reach! Mollbacho mattov pinzun Let the sky's canopy be torn asunder, Kupam foddun, goddgoddun And clouds broken with the roar of thunder, Zoglachea zhogzhogant And the flash of lightning, Ghiss korun zhogzhogun May the light dazzle, Doddkevori lottun, futtun Rush and break like a storm, Ienv di porot Otthra Jun Let the 18th of June return! Bhava tuka iad asa? Brother, do you remember? Tea disa ugddasan The memories of that day Hodd'ddem mhojem pett'ta oz Still light up my heart. Bhava tuka iad asa Brother, do you remember Otthra Jun? Tne 18th of June? Glossary : Finrgealem (derived from `Firangi' meaning foreigner or Portuguese a.k.a paklo singular plural meaning white (man) in Konkani. Gawdi = aborigine, a native of Goa. - Today, we need liberation from the sex-scandalist and other looters of Goa. We have already liberated ourselves from the communal BJP. Let us pledge that we will not rest till we do so. Jai Hind! Samir
[Goanet]Babush's warm heart?
What if your sister was a victim of the sex scandal? You would have then learnt to appreciate the present! Babush has destroyed lives. Comeon, have some dignity. No wonder Goa is getting famous as a whore house! samir Samir Kelekar Is babush the only one who has skeletons in the cupboard? How many sex scandals we have had in Goa? If you could elaborate those first and see which ladder babush falls in? Sex scandal should not be an issue for the moment, right now its a (BONKAR FONT ON THE BJP LIKE THE DONKEY'S FONT), and having a congress Govt. in Goa. If it wasn't for Babush congress wouldn't manage to come to power. Bill clinton was involved in a scandal but that does not stop us from appreciating his good works, Michael Jackson is involved in a scandal too but again people are not going to stop buying his music, what about Dayanand Narvekar where is he today and many such persons.The world is filled with scandals be it an ordinary person , a politician, or someone else life moves on. Learn to appreciate the present and keep the past as a history otherwise we shall remain static. Monteiro _ MSN Careers! http://www.timesjobs.com/MSN/ Sign up now!
[Goanet]Warm heart of Babush?
I would like to thank from my heart to Mr. Babush Monseratte, if it wasn't him today congress would never be able to form the Government. Everybody picks on negative sides of Babush not positive as one rightly said GOOD THINGS ARE NEVER REMEMBERED AND BAD THINGS ARE NEVER FORGOTTEN, but who cares the world has two sides of a coin a saint and a sinner. Would you like to elaborate the role of Babush in the Miramar sex scandal? Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Support Floriano Lobo to defeat Monserrate
I read in Goan Observer that Floriano is taking on the muscle power man, sex-scandalist, money power man Monserrate from Taleigaon. This deserves all the support. All Goa netters who care about Goa should dip into their pockets and support Floriano. If there is one need in Goa today, it is to defeat the mercenary Monserrate. I am committing a sum of Rs. 5000/-. As also, I am planning to visit Goa coming weekend to campaign for Floriano. Let us ensure Floriano wins. Jai Hind! samir
[Goanet]Third-rate technologies dont constitute industrical progress --- steel plant near Londa
Jobs are needed but not at the cost of losing one's lives due to poisonous gases; jobs are needed but not at the cost of polluting our rivers, killing our fish; jobs are needed, but not at the cost of giving us T.B. due to dust. Jobs can be created by building small dams that preserve ecology; that build power plants that are not polluting and that dont disturb ecology. Factories that follow environmental guidelines can be built. Question is: are you serious about exploring the above, or all you care is make money and screw the rest of the world, and their health? This is the question the likes of Halur Rasho must answer first. regards, Samir Halur Rasho writes: A poor country with 200 million people below the poverty line, needs jobs. How does a country create jobs without building dams, power plants and factories ? It seems there are Indians (apologies to those Goans who feel insulted to be called Indians), who hate to see any kind of industrial progress in India. They would like to see her remain poor, so they can sneer at her poverty and feel superior. --- shrihari kugaji goanet@goanet.org wrote: ECOLOGICAL DISASTER IN FORM OF UP COMING SPONGE IRON PLANT IN THE WESTERN GHATS - LONDA FOREST,BELGAUM DISTRICT, KARNATAKA BELGAUM DISTRICT Well! the recent news is about new steel plant coming up in the ecologically sensitive and most fragile western ghats - just close to Londa Railway station , surrounded by the thick forest in the Belgaum district - the group is from goa Kundil Ispat Ltd - township of nearly 25000 population is going to established in the dense forests around here - which is going to being immensely damaging to the environment and forest around. The area has been already under consideration for BHIMGAD WILDLIFE SANCTUARY and the Ministry of Enviornment and forest New Delhi is already looking towards declaring the same area as eclogically sensitve area. There is already case going with the centrally empowered commmittee of the Hon'ble Supreme Court with regard to provide protection to this area and to looking into the declining forest cover in the ghats. please send information about the Kundil Ispat ltd of Goa and other d detail we really want to know more. On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 sebastian Rodrigues wrote : Residents of Bicholim town in North Goa today evening organised road blokade at the Bicholim Bus stand. Some of them belonged to a group called MARG- Movement towards Amity to Roads in Goa. The demand was to stop dust dust pollution due to transportation of iron ore through trucks inside the city. 50 People from Bicholim grouped together at 4.pm at the bus stand and then started stopping the mining trucks that were not covered properly by the tarpoline. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]What if there was a fire in the vatican?
The concept of black smoke, white smoke to indicate the election of the Pope is quite funny. I mean this in the age of cell phones, and SMS! Also, what there was a real fire in Vatican and the smoke was due to that than the election of pope? samir
[Goanet]Marx: creator of history or dustbin of history?
Mario wrote: Very clever observation, Mervyn. Doesn't change the fact that his theories are in the dustbin of history though. Whether one likes Marx's theories or not, the fact remains that no other person had greater influence on the history of the 20 th century through his writings than Marx. Correct me if I am wrong. For someone's writings to last out for such a long time is no mean achievement, you must agree. samir
[Goanet]The case against Reliance
Hi All: Let me stick to facts, and newspaper reports here. I would like you to go through this, ask as many questions as you want, and come to your own conclusions. regards, samir There have been a number of cases of illegalites by the Reliance group. However, the convictions haven't been as many as they should have been. And in many cases, even though the courts/govt. have agreed that these have been illegalities, the govt. has either retrospectively changed the law to suit Reliance or let Reliance get away with a paltry fine. Reliance has been convicted and had to pay a fine of Rs. 150 crores for routing international calls as local. See below: http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl2207/stories/20050408001703200.htm http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/mar052005/b10.asp http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/mar052005/n18.asp The above crime is also a danger to the nations's security, as it is not possible to track calls from across the border --- from terrorists etc any more --- as they get camoflauged as local. With the fact, the mobile calls become an important tracking mechanism for catching crimes --- remember the attack on the Parliament -- it becomes an anti-national act. The nature of our legal system is that for a crime of much smaller magnitude, there are other smaller businessmen who have got arrested!!! (please see the news item from TOI at the end of the post) Reliance broke the law in offering roaming when they did not have the licence for doing so. Here is a link for that. http://www.swadeshi.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Contentpa=showpagepid=42 In retrospect, the govt. brought a unified licence. The Indian govt. has launched an investigation against Reliance to check if there were any violations in offering RIC shares to Mahajan (the then Minister's) contacts. Here is a link to that. http://news.ft.com/cms/s/1f04ec9c-97e0-11d9-912c-0e2511c8.html Here is a link to a petition that asks the PM to intervene; one of the investors has launched a complaint with SEBi regarding this. http://www.petitiononline.com/mno87918/petition.html Asian Age has done detailed investigations into this. I can pass the links if you wish. Even Anil Ambani has made allegations against RIL. Check out: http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20041228/biz.htm The point is: in most cases Reliance gets away paying paltry fines. In other words, the breaking of the law, and getting away by paying the fines is incorporated in their business model itself. Given that fines are not much, the law does not end up having any teeth. Thus, Reliance's methods are well-known. In a country such as India, where corruption is so rampant, there is hardly any seriousness in implementation of laws against corporate fraud. Please note that violating licence conditions and then getting away with it gave undue advantage to Reliance over other competitors. There is also documented evidence of Reliance harassing its consumers, bringing about false bills etc. The foll. is the case in case of power. please note that suburban Bombay consumers have no choice regarding power. There is a Reliance monopoly out there. http://www.indianexpress.com/columnists/full_column.php?content_id=47938 There are cases of false billing in case of their mobile service also. There are also complaints against Reliance for anti-competitive/predatory pricing. Here is a complaint by the cellular operators against Reliance predatory pricing. http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2005/03/31/stories/2005033102470300.htm The idea is simple here: capture the market by predatory pricing, then increase the price once customers are gained. Fines levied if any will come under business expenses, as these are accounted for in the business model. Here is TRAI's investigation into Reliance's predatory pricing. http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050331/asp/business/story_449.asp But going by past records, TRAI has failed to show that they have teeth. Read in detail: Gurumurthy's article for which I have given the link above. Here is the link again. http://www.swadeshi.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Contentpa=showpagepid=42 Also, TRAI chief has avoided TRAI's regulatory responsibility in the case of camoflaging of international calls by Reliance, before. See here the Left baying for TRAI's chief head. http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050305/biz.htm#2 Here is a complaint about Reliance predatory pricing in the diesel sector.
[Goanet]Mukesh Ambani dropped as an invitee for the Pan-IIT meet
This is thanks to our efforts. Join up jai-hind yahoogroups to fight corrupt Reliance. Cheers, Samir http://indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=67203 Continuing damage On the possibility of a settlement between the brothers, sources say that the battle is getting more complicated rather than showing signs of ending. We learn that Anil Ambani not only wants a division of assets, but also wants the valuation to build in a control premium for relinquishing his stake in the flagship RIL. Clearly the next round of the battle will involve a slugfest over whether either brother can demand a control premium when the largest chunk of equity (34 per cent) was held through a complicated web of investment companies, whose ultimate control vested with the Reliance Chairman. Meanwhile, Mukesh Ambani continues to suffer the consequences of the charges against RILs corporate practices and the investigation of Reliance Infocomm. A Pan-IIT meet to be held in Washington DC has reportedly dropped Mukesh Ambani from the invitee list, following protests from a section of the IIT alumni about his presence. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
[Goanet]Complaint against Reliance with Sebi -- please sign petition
-- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maneesh Rane is the person who has made a complaint to Sebi about Reliance fraud in shares allotment. samir --- Maneesh Rane wrote: Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:31:55 -0800 (PST) From: Maneesh Rane Subject: Re: Fwd: Complaint to Sebi To: Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have written an open letter/petition to The Prime Minister of India and The Chief Justice of the SC. Please forward it to all your friends and request them to sign in. http://www.petitiononline.com/mno87918/petition.html Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mr. Maneesh Rane and co: I am writing to congratulate you on your complaint to SEBI re: the Reliance Infocomm share allotments and the nexus with Pramod Mahajan. It is to be noted that Reliance as a company has had and continues to have scant respect for law. Reliance, largely through the unethical means, has now become very big so as to become a threat to the economic freedom of the Indian people. We cannot afford to pass our critical core sectors into the hands of a company which has no qualms about doing anything to further their interests. Politicians come and go, but Reliance continues to grow stronger. We are a bunch of people who are spearheading a Say No to Reliance campaign. We are actively campaigning to boycott all Reliance products and services. We believe this is the only way Reliance can be stopped. I presume as an investor your interests are a bit different. All this time, Reliance used to give good returns to its investors, but now their greed has grown so big that even investors are not spared. I congratulate you and your group for the complaint, and would like to extend any help that you may need. Thanking you,
[Goanet]Re: Mathany, principle, and interest
Hi Nagueshbab: It is not a random statement, nor is it an allegation of corruption against Mathany. It is a loud speculation as to what sort of principle Mathany would be talking given that his actions in the last few years (after he has become an MLA) have betrayed all his principles. Mathany was a people's person. He did not speak out when legal houses were demolished in Baina, along with illegal ones. He was part of the govt. that blew 100 crores on IFFI -- something that did not help the people of Goa in any way. He did not speak up (in fact he was part of the govt) when the DGP was removed in an arbitrary manner. He did not speak up when Parrikar took personal revenge on Datta Naik and Dr. Colaco only because they opposed his govt. All of the above actions show that Mathany has betrayed his principles. So I am wondering aloud what principle he is talking about. I have no issue with your statements that Congress people are highly corrupt. I am however very glad that a communal, dictatorial and a nepotist and corrupt regime (a look at who were allocated huge contracts will show it) is out. samir From: Nagesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 10:04 PM Subject: RE: [Goanet]Mathany, principle and interest Samir, Instead of making such random statements, can you prove that Mathany has been corrupt in anyway? Please provide some proof. I do not believe that he is half as corrupt as all the Congress MLAs that are in the Rane ministry now. Please compare the wealths of MR. Rane, Dayanand Narvenkar, Dr. Willie, Luizinho Faleiro, Fransico Sardinha prior to their becoming MLAs and ministers. Or is it just good enough that they belong to the Congress and have a carte blanche for fleecing Goa? I can understand your very known disdain for the likes of Mr. Parrikar, but so far, I have believed that Mr. Mathany Saldanha is more principled than many others that are ministers in Goa or have been MLAs. Rumours abound in Goa that the Congress party has pumped in crores of rupees for dessertions. Isidore Fernandes, who was a pariah, a few months ago for leaving the Congress is now a Minister! Whatever happened to the CBI raids now? Or is it okay for the Congress to pay off people to resign? We cannot have double standards. We need clean and non-corrupt people to be our leaders. Nagesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet]Friday balaco on Patent Amendment Act
On the other hand, India's thriving pharmaceutical industry has shown that the price fixed by the monopolists has nothing to do with the cost of production. Indian generic manufacturers export generic medicines to over 200 countries. Indian generic pharmaceutical companies by bringing down prices of medicines have greatly facilitated access to anti-retroviral (ARV) treatment When you are saying that the price of production of drugs is low, are you taking into account the huge costs of research? Indian pharmaceutical industry is used to having a free ride on the research done by some others. It is time this stops, and hence we should support the Patent Amendment Act. If citizens want life-saving drugs, the govt. should fund research and can subsidize the drugs. How do these drugs get made in the first place, if there is no research? It is time this atttitude of stealing other people's research and then claiming it as one's fundamental right should stop. regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Re: Goan observer subscription rates
Reply:The amt quoted for online Goan observer subscription per annum is Rs1000=00 Only.So what Rs20=00, is being referred to here?. R.N. deserves to be commended, no doubt.. v.f. Given that there are 52 weeks in a year, and GO is a weekly, it comes to approximately Rs. 20/- per issue. regards, Samir
[Goanet]Goan observer web subscription rates
I think Rs. 20/- or so per issue of Goan observer is well justified for the content that it gives. While all other papers (except perhaps Gomantak Times now) dont take independent stands, Rajan Narayan takes courageous stands, and that has cost him very dearly in the past (he has received beatings). I think continuing such a stand is priceless, and nothing today in the market in Goa compares that. I would urge people not just to subscribe but generously donate to Goan observer. That is the least that one can do. regards, Samir Kelekar --- v. fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello There!!! Came across the web page(GOAN OBSERVER Online).How come they intend to charge Rs1000/for a year's 'online subscription'? Does the content justify the amt? What is the frequency of the print edition? Can some one throw light on the subject? v.f.
[Goanet]Support the patent regime: say no to free loaders
PROTEST AGAINST PATENTS: Raj Vaidya [EMAIL PROTECTED] informs of a people's rally that is being organized in Panjim on Feb 26, 2005 from 10.a.m.-12 noon to register protest against the draconian provisions of the Patent Amendment Bill. The rally will start from the steps of the church move through the city and culminate at Azad Maidan. Contact Raj for more details. Software patents is another issue causing concern in India. The opposition to the patent regime is misguided. A patent regime supports merit. In the absence of a patent regime, companies can steal inventions. That is what is happening in India today. The Indian pharmaceutical industry is having a free ride on the research done in the West. With the patent regime, this will stop. India has traditionally has not valued intellectual property. The Indian software market is miniscule compared to the Indian market because no one wants to pay for software. Tremendous brain work goes in producing sofware. Millions of rupees/dollars go in doing an invention and it is pathetic that a big company will steal that invention (in the absence of a patent regime) and using its marketing muscle sell it. It is a good thing that India has decided to be part of a worldwide patent regime. There may be some concens about drugs being available to the poor, but that problem has to be solved by govt. subsidizing the drugs. After all, one cannot hope to be a free loader and survive on the research done by others. The patent regime will also force the Indian industry to spend money on R and D, which they currently dont do at all. I am all for the patent regime, and for merit to thrive. regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]RIL Investors move SEBI on Pramod
February 15, 2005 Dear All, It is Olga Tellis and her team at The Asian Age again. Kindly refer to the following article RIL investors move Sebi on Pramod - By Olga Tellis Mumbai, Feb. 14: A group of shareholders of Reliance Industries Limited (RIL) has sent a complaint to the Securities and Exchange Board of India, the Department of Company Affairs and the President of India, among others, asking for an inquiry into the links of the three firms, which got one crore Reliance Infocomm (RIC) shares for Rs 1 crore, with the family of former communications minister Pramod Mahajan. The shareholders have given their names as Mr Manish Rane, Ms Sujata Pandit, Mr B.N. Rathod, Ms Hema R. Chopra and Mr Ashok Ramnathan and have mentioned reports in The Asian Age revealing the links between Mr Pramod Mahajan's family and the three firms. They say they are not providing any personal details about themselves, such as adddresses, because they fear for their lives. Sebi has acknowledged receipt of their complaint. In their complaint, the shareholders go beyond the reports that appeared in The Asian Age. Regarding the Pramod Mahajan family-Ashish Deora nexus, the shareholders say: It has come to our knowledge that the promoters of India Online Network Ltd, namely Mr Ashish Deora, Mr V.R. Rao (Mr Ramanand Rao) and others, had hatched a criminal conspiracy to defraud the public and the state/nation by floating a company under the name and title of India Online Network Ltd and have the same listed on The Stock Exchange, Mumbai (and other stock exchanges) and take undue advantage of the prevailing dotcom boom/Internet boom. To circumvent various Sebi/BSE listing guidelines, they had taken over an old company, M/s Natwar Synthetics Ltd, and re-christened the same India Online Network Ltd. They alleged: Aiding them in this scam was one Mr Siddharth Srivastava, formerly also associated with the ATN television channel. It is also a fact that Mr Rahul Mahajan and Ms Poonam Mahajan, son and daughter respectively of the former minister Pramod Mahajan, were also unofficial partners in this venture. These shareholders claim that this company was floated merely with the intention to get the same listed on the stock exchange and take advantage of the volatility in the stock market, and the exorbitant and unrealistic share prices of the dotcom companies. As a matter of fact, India Online Network Ltd, now rechristened IOL Broadband Ltd, was also promoted as www.speedmelon.com (to bring in the dotcom tag). The five RIL shareholders add in their complaint to Sebi and the others: The other intention of the promoters of India Online Network Ltd was to secure huge loans from venture capitalists, venture capital funds etc, who at that time were willing to invest crores of rupees in anything that ended with a dotcom tag. Since the company was actually controlled by Mr Rahul Mahajan, while Mr Ashish Deora, the managing director, was merely a stooge/front end (sic) for the Mahajan family, various high-level contacts in the government were used and misused to obtain funding/loans/credit by the promoters. For example, the newly formed India Online Network Ltd obtained huge credit and procured goods and services from companies like Wipro, Cisco India, etc. It is a known fact that companies like Wipro and Cisco would never give goods and services on credit running into several crores of rupees unless there was pressure brought in from various quarters. Similarly, India Online Network Ltd had brought undue pressure on IDBI to grant a loan of Rs 20 crores, of which Rs 10 crores was disbursed almost overnight. Again it is quite obvious how two or three, 24 to 26-year-old men were granted a loan of Rs 10 crores almost overnight to fund their venture. It is again quite obvious as to why IDBI is not prosecuting Mr Ashish Deora and others for defaulting on this loan. It has also come to our knowledge that the promoters of India Online Network Ltd owe several persons crores of rupees for services rendered and goods supplied. However, the concerned persons are threatened, cajoled and coerced into not filing complaints or recovery proceedings against the Mahajan family and their friends. The complaint to Sebi and the others makes several personal allegations regarding the lifestyle of Mr Rahul Mahajan and the stock market activities of Mr Deora and Mr Rahul Mahajan. The complaint concludes: We request you and your office, including the other agencies, like the registrar of companies, to investigate in depth the activities of India Online Network Ltd and its promoters and unearth the illegal activities of the same. In the interest of our safety we have not mentioned our telephone numbers/complete residential address as we are aware that doing so would be risky and detrimental to our own lives and that of our families. We may, however, be contacted at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for any clarification. - There is a formal
[Goanet]Pramod Mahajan, Reliance nexus exposed
It is quite clear that Reliance and Pramod Mahajan of BJP have been hands in gloves to loot the people of this country. regards, Samir Kindly refer to the following article written by Olga Tellis for The Asian Age http://www.asianage.com/ Surjeet demands Mahajan role probe - By Olga Tellis Mumbai, Feb. 12: CPI(M) leader Harkishen Singh Surjeet has called upon the UPA government to investigate the Mahajan-Reliance connection. This is truly the time of a fiery test for the Manmohan government and its credibility would very much depend on how it conducts itself in this regard, Mr Surjeet writes in the February 13 issue of the CPI(M) mouthpiece People's Democracy in an article titled Reliance-Mahajan Unethical Ties; BJP's Corrupt Face Once Again Bared. He quotes extensively from the February 6 issue of The Asian Age in the article. Relating how three companies were given one crore shares of Reliance Infocomm (RIC), and that these companies were linked to former communications minister Pramod Mahajan's family, Mr Surjeet writes: Here we can only say that the whole Mahajan episode has come as a shock to the nation and that the government should properly investigate this issue. This is something the UPA government can ignore only to its peril. Tracing the Mahajan exposure to the fallout of what it calls the bitter cold war currently on between the Ambani brothers, Mukesh and Anil, over the business empire the late Dhirubhai Ambani had left, Mr Surjeet talks about RIC transferring one crore of its shares to three small companies for only Rs one crore (at just Re 1 per share). He also writes how one of these three firms, called Fairever, has been linked to a company called Global e-Secure, and that the latter's office address was precisely Fairever's address in Mumbai. But the key part of the story is that Global e-Secure's managing director, Ashish Deora, is also the promoter of Indiaonline. And guess who are his co-promoters! None other than Mr Pramod Mahajan's daughter Poonam, and his son Rahul Mahajan, now an NRI. Mahajan's son-in-law Anand Rao has also been associated with this company, he writes. He quotes The Asian Age to reveal the circuitous route these gentlemen have been using like all cheaters, and says, It is clear that, insofar as the magnitude of this scam is concerned, the three benami companies that received the largesse from Reliance Infocomm have pocketed at least Rs 700 crores in this dubious manner. This is based on the fact that immediately before the cold war between the Ambani brothers broke out, Reliance Infocomm shares were being sold at Rs 700 per share. Further, it is reported that the three benami companies were given an equal number of Reliance Infocomm shares. In that case, it means that the company promoted by Messrs Poonam Mahajan and Rahul Mahajan was handed over largesse of no less than Rs 233 crores, 33 lakhs 33 thousand 33 rupees and 33 paise (sic), he writes. On the IDBI loan of Rs 10 crores to Indiaonline, Mr Surjeet says, It is necessary to know whether the Industrial Development Bank of India (IDBI) had completed the necessary formalities and checked the credit-worthiness of IOL Broadband Limited before sanctioning it such a huge loan amount. Mr Surjeet writes that IDBI's loan to IOL Broadband Limited, is a cause of concern. He compares it to UTI-64, which went into the red as it made the very same type of investments in dubious or shaky companies. Giving his own comments on the Mahajan-Reliance relationship, Mr Surjeet recalls that it was the same Mahajan who had pleaded that Reliance group's founder, the late Dhirubhai Ambani, must be honoured with a Bharat Ratna, the highest civilian award of the country. He also rues the fact that Mr Mahajan would compromise the security of the state to please the Ambanis. Quoting the report in The Asian Age of February 7 regarding the alleged fraud perpetrated by RIC and the US-registered Reliance Communications Inc (RCI) upon the public sector BSNL and MTNL, he writes: The whole RCI episode in fact gives ample indication of what security hazards powerful and unscrupulous foreign telecommunication companies may pose after the Manmohan government has raised the FDI cap in telecom. It is thus clear that this party, the BJP, which used to shout patriotism from the rooftop, could go to any length to rush benefits to the Ambanis, even if it meant putting the country's security into jeopardy. Giving further instances of what he calls Mahajan's unethical relation with the Ambanis, he claims that when there was a dispute between WLL and GSM companies when Mr Mahajan was communications minister in the Vajpayee government, Mr Mahajan intervened in the dispute in such a manner that it benefited the Reliance Group. Mr Mahajan's intervention in patent laws was also of the kind that it only legalised certain illegalities in order to benefit the Ambanis, Mr Surjeet claims.
[Goanet]Re: Goa hosts outsourcing symposium
Goa hosts outsourcing symposium Stressed the need to hasten Goa's slow pace in the IT/BPO sector, despite a large English speaking population. Friday, February 11, 2005 PANAJI, Goa: A two-day symposium - Goa Agenda - on the theme Outsourcing: Challenges Ahead organized by Goa Chamber of Commerce and Industry was held in Panaji recently. The third IT symposium, in the series under the banner of Goa Agenda, was addressed by number of nationally acclaimed IT leaders and attended by distinguished crowds drawn from industry, academics and administration. These guys are a bunch of incompetent guys who do nothing but organize symposiums, take fat govt. salaries, and do nothing other than submit vouchers for their expenses. These guys have no clue of the IT industry. Some of them may not even know the difference between software and underware! Our Goan IT in such hands. Parrikar gave tens of crores to his cronies in the name of IT. regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]h-1 b and glass ceiling
The EPW article about h-1 and glass ceiling is very stereotypical and meant to create prejudice against the US. I know of h-1 b's who have got green cards and gone on to start companies. I also know of h-1 b's who live very lonely and isolated lives. Since the US implements laws strictly, of course things aren't easy at times. In the US, it doesn't matter that much where u come from. U master the technology, and marketing, and there is no glass ceiling for u. This is particulaly true of Calif and silicon valley. regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Whatever took place in Ribandar
Ivar writes: My best judgment is that there was no molestation, just a very unfortunate accident. Anyhow, and most important: Whatever took place, it was discussed and forgiven long time before Mr. Aires Rodrigues and his goons m attacked the Lady of Help Convent in Ribandar. Ivar seems to agree that molestation happened. Why doesnt the accused confess, apologize and promise that such incidents won't be repeated ever again? Also, what about the woman living with the accused? regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Ribandar case: the priest and his slipping hand...
Aires writes: My comment: I requested the women's NGO's to conduct an independent investigation. Auda Viegas did meet the accused priest. His defence was that while he we was playing with the alleged victim's pendant his hand slipped into her breasts. This has been stated in Auda Viegas's complaint to the police against Fr. Newton Rodrigues. That is a cool one. :-) This priest just might be a pro. regards, Samir
[Goanet]Dangerous 26!!!
Cynthia's post might have been written in jest, but such posts are extremely harmful and can end up creating superstitions. On another front, I was amused to see some people praying to the sea after the tsunami sort of asking it to be benevolent and not bring on any more tsunamis. These people were displayed in some local newspapers. Are we living in the 15 th century, was the thought that occurred to me. On second thoughts, the fisherfolk who were praying may be indeed living in the 15 th century. Can imagine the mamoth-ness of the task of educating people to be rational. regards, samir
[Goanet]Income tax and NIO
I do not see why my (tax payer's) money should go in funding an institute such as NIO (National Institute of Oceonagraphy)if such an all important event about our ocean such as tsumani goes unpredicted by the institute. This is infinitely more important than trips to Antarctica, and growing algaes. The Indian govt. should immediately close all institutes related to oceanography and divert all funds spent in such useless endeavours to relief work. Dr. Samir Kelekar, I would expand the work of NIO to include Tsunami warnings. But then again, Indians don't like paying income tax, so maybe you are right. If there is any country where citizen's income tax is going down the drain, it is India. We pay for the salary of someone like the represmtative of NIO who says Tsunami, we have no clue. We pay for the salary of someone who --- even though the govt. has changed in May (it has been more than six months) still sends an emergency communication to the last Minister, and not the current one. These guys should be fired, and here you are talking about rewarding them by giving them more responsibility. Unless we have accountability in the system, nothing is going to change. Unless the guy who is incharge of sending communication in case of emergency is held accountable for his actions --- in this case, indirectly, due to his attitue, hundreds of lives were lost --- nothing is going to change. How do you justify giving these guys more responsibiity instead? regards, Samir Kelekar Mervyn2.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
[Goanet]The Tsunami disaster -- attitude of Indians towards creative brains
The real reason for not seeing this tragedy is much deeper than what it appears. It is now clear that the Indian govt. knew of the earthquake in Car Nicobar one hour before the waves hit Tamil Nadu. However, given the state of things in India, one could bet one's life that nothing would be done. To top it all, the head of NIO does not even know that a tsunami is possible in the Indian ocean. What could one say for the caliber of people at NIO? Now, consider this case: if a young scientist comes up with the suggestion at NIO or the weather department that it is possible that a tsunami can hit India and the damage can be huge, what do you think the response would be of the powers that be? I can bet it won't be any different that the responses we have seen on this mailing list. Basically, it is our tradition to put down dissent, put down merit. We will come up with crude reasons such as so and so's action is due to commnal reasons, vested interests and what not, but we will not respond positively to an intelligent suggestion. In fact, the guy who would have made the suggestion, he would have been probably suspended or demoted for thinking of such scenarios. We might be good at IT services, but here too, we are good at rote work --- the Americans tell us what to do, and we do it. We cannot be pioneers or creative, because there is not just apathy but outright disgust, and opposition in this country to creative brains. regards, Samir Kelekar --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], blandino viegas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Hello Hello Gaspar, These are AMCHE GOEN-KAR. WHAT TO SAY. THEY ONLY FOLLOW UP EVERYTHING. WE NOT. THEY ARE NIOs. VIEGAS __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]close down national Institute of Oceanography
I do not see why my (tax payer's) money should go in funding an institute such as NIO (National Institute of Oceonagraphy) if such an all important event about our ocean such as tsumani goes unpredicted by the institute. This is infinitely more important than trips to Antarctica, and growing algaes. The Indian govt. should immediately close all institutes related to oceanography and divert all funds spent in such useless endeavours to relief work. Dr. Samir Kelekar, Bangalore
[Goanet]A civilized society does not reopen wounds
I havent seen the film myself, so can't comment on the scenes depicted in the film, but tell me what is the intent of the RSS guys in making this film? Dont tell me that they dont have a saffornizing agenda? regards, Samir Kelekar I would like to respectfully disagree with the tone of the editorial in Gomantak Times. History has to be narrated the way it is, and it should not be falsified because some group may find it uncomfortable. The atrocities committed by the Portuguese in Goa, and many other places in the world, did happen. Not talking about them in fact makes things worse as far as the memory of the sufferers is concerned. In the editorial, a question is posed as follows: Are scenes of Nazi brutality shown to young Jews? The answer is: No, it is shown not only to the young Jews, but also to all the people, Jews and non-Jews, old and young. And there is a huge holocaust museum where people can see the brutality. And the ones who are in the forefront of this effort of not forgetting are the descendants of the very people who indulged in the brutality - the Germans. And they do so because it is their way of showing that they distance away from the actions of their ancestors. Some time ago, a member on this list had posted that the BJP in Goa is asking for the return of the temple sites which were forcibly converted to churches. When I asked when this demand was made, the member did not respond - Fred, after some five days, said that perhaps it was a tounge-in-cheek statement. I found this strange. The discussion also involved in denial that temples were destroyed. To the credit of many Christians on this list, they provided the list of such destructions. Even then, those who were denying, did not accept the information provided as facts. The Pope has rightly apologised to the indigenous people in the Americas for the atrocities committed against them in the name of Christianity. The Pope has also rightly apologised to the non-Catholics for the atrocities committed against them in the name of the Roman Catholic Church. Such apologies can happen only when it is accepted that the events did happen. Many in Japan did not want to teach their children about the atrocities committed by their army during the Second World War. The Chinese and the Koreans are upset about this. And every time a Japanese leader visits China and Korea, he has to make a formal apology for the events. In fact, normal diplomatic relationship between China and Japan happened when Japan made a formal apology. If there was no attempt to denial in the beginning, I do not think that the Japanese leaders would have needed to make the apology time and time again. I know my Christian friends do not even mildly approve the atrocities. After all their ancestors suffered as much as my ancestors who did not convert. If there are facts in the video, it should be definitely deleted. I myself have not seen it. However, from the tone of the editorial, it would appear to me that the facts are correct. Sachin Phadte. _ Citibank Suvidha account at No Minimum Balance! http://creative.mediaturf.net/creatives/suvidha/suvidha_hmtagoffline_dec04.htm Apply get FREE watch!
[Goanet]Paulo's 2 people in 1 sleeper
For the price, I find nothing wrong in sharing a 'sleeper' with somebody else. I needn't be gay to do that; just respect each other's personal space. The other though-costier, option, deployed by some foreign tourists, is to block two adjoining 'sleepers' for a single passengers. I dont see a price of Rs. 750/- as cheap. And what I fail to understand as to how they can call half a sleeper as a sleeper. They need to tell passengers upfront that they will have to share a sleeper with a stranger. The general understanding of a sleeper is the one that is there in the railways. Each person gets a very comfortable sleeper. Here, once you go up, you cant even raise your head. When I tried to get in, I couldnt put my head in the direction of the pillow; it always used to go the other way, and it was not possible for me to change my side while being in the sleeper itself. And it was completely suffocating with just me on that sleeper. I couldnt even imagine what would have happened when another person would climb up on that same sleeper. I would like to know if they have been permitted legally this '2 people in 1 sleeper' arrangement. If so, I wonder on what basis. I suppose there must be regulations out there that determine how much space a human being needs. regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]1000 + dead in India: Tsunami
Another disaster; many more to follow. regards, Samir -- Tsunami hits south India; over 1,000 dead December 26, 2004 15:21 IST Last Updated: December 26, 2004 15:29 IST Tidal waves killed over a thousand people in Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh and the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, Home Minister Shivraj Patil said on Sunday. Tamil Nadu was the worst affected, with possibly over 800 people killed, Patil said after a meeting of the Crisis Management Group in New Delhi. In Andhra Pradesh, over 200 people were feared killed, he said. In Andaman, as many as 14 people were killed, the minister said, adding that the damage due to the tidal wave in Car Nicobar and Greater Andamans was higher, but details were yet to come in due to snapping of communication links. Patil said that the coastal areas of West Bengal had also suffered damage, but he had not been able to contact Chief Minister Buddhadeb Bhattacharya. He said he would visit the affected areas either in the evening or Monday morning. Patil said thousands of people were evacuated from the affected areas. He said the priority was to provide food, medicines and blankets to the victims. Authorities in Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh were carrying out relief and rescue operation on a war footing, the minister said. The Centre, he said, was doing everything to mitigate the suffering of the people. The tidal waves were triggered by a massive earthquake -- 8.5 on the Richter scale -- that hit the Indonesian island of Sumatra. That was followed by at least six moderate to strong aftershocks. Flash flooding in Indonesia claimed almost 100 lives, and many more deaths were feared in Thailand after huge waves hit the tourist resort of Phuket. The Thai government declared a state of emergency. Six deaths were reported from Malaysia's Penang island. Sri Lankan authorities reported 500 deaths from the waves. Witnesses in the eastern Sri Lankan port city of Trincomalee reported waves as high as 40 feet, hitting inland as far as a kilometre. The Lankan government declared a state of emergency. © Copyright 2004 PTI. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of PTI content, including by framing or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent. Share your comments
[Goanet]Is a monster born -- 2003?
This scenario is coming threateningly closer as every day passes. The foll. article was written more than a year back. regards, Samir - 2003 : IS A MONSTER BORN - I? January 30, 2003 The biggest company in India's Private Sector needs to be congratulated for their collective genius. Even the Greeks could not entice the Trojans into buying (the Greeks just left the horse behind and the Trojans accepted it as a parting gift) the horse that converted victory into defeat for Troy. In the fiber optic project this group has succeeded in making the people pay (under the umbrella of infrastructure development) for the very chains that could enslave them. The entire story might make an interesting reading and might pack much more punch than any Robert Ludlum thriller. It might be a bible on HOW TO COMPROMISE AND SUBJUGATE A NATION? We are certainly not talking about creating business monopolies for what the company can now do, if it so chooses, is definitely much more than mere business monopolies. We are gaping at probable centralisation of raw power that the country had not seen even under the rule of Aurangazeb. All of us have seen the slogan in the companies advertisement that appeared in the Times of India of Saturday, December 28, 2002 on page number 11 which says Kar Lo Duniya mutthi mein. Which duniya and whose mutthi? One wonders. Is this slogan a clear definition of the company's final objective? It is for the people of India to decide and act upon. Is this a possible invasion of the fundamental rights of all Indians? There is a distinct possibility that the company might have 100 crore plus slaves to rule without firing a single shot! If such a thing happens all the Arab slave masters would turn in their graves. Then again, under the banner of installation charges/deposit, people might once more pay for the very same chains that could bind them into slavery. And lastly, under the banner of monthly rental or charges, people might continue to pay for their probable enslavement at the company's hands. Fabulous! Once in place and fully operational (we are only imagining the impact on mobile communication today and the full impact of convergence is yet to unfold) the fiber optic project has the potential of monitoring all the communications of the company's patrons, and if used by the company accordingly, might place the company in a unique position of controlling the lives of its customers. In such an eventuality the company would be virtually ruling the country. Everything that is said on the company's network, it could hear. Everything that is written on the company's network, it could read. All the communication on the company's network could be stored and retrieved at the company's directions and will. All this can happen without the knowledge of the company's customers. The company could zero in on anyone and everyone that they choose (for whatever reasons and this fact has to be understood on the background of the current situation where a judicial order is required to tap a single telephone line). This probable scenario makes poor Edgar Hoover look like a nursery school kid. The company's poor customers might not even know what hit them (they might not even know that something hit them) and they might continue to attribute missed opportunities as mere bad luck or stroke of fate. The Convergence Bill was passed at a time that suited the efforts of the company. A lot of apparently mutually exclusive events have taken place that just happen to work in favor of the company. Monthly rental of BSNL/MTNL are climbing. Monthly charges of cable operators are also ever changing and cable operators are constantly at loggerhead with their customers for one reason or another. Ideal environment for the company to enter into the market as a savior and a high quality service provider. Whether this atmosphere was deliberately created or it is a sheer coincidence is for every individual to decide. The company's offer might become instantly acceptable to customers and might be lapped up without much effort and expense on marketing. The company might certainly have long queue of prospective customers eager (read as willing to pay any amount) for it to bestow its high quality services on to them. Little will the poor customer suspect that he is likely to loose his freedom in the bargain. One does not know how many people would have already seen the fine thread that weaves all these seemingly disjoint events into a noose that can virtually strangle our entire nation. The company might destroy a lot of other companies that are currently thriving in the field of communication and entertainment. And then the reign of absolutism might begin. Unimaginable quantum of revenue could be generated that might enable the company to literally buy any and every other business house in India. A truly diabolic scenario. By the time our populace gets wise to these
[Goanet]Revoke Paulo Travel's bus permit (for publications)
To Rajan Narayan, Editor Goan Observer. This is to relate my experiences of Paulo Travels. I booked a sleeper ticket to travel from Paulo Travels bus on the 12 th of this month from Bangalore to Margao. The ticket was booked well in advance by paying Rs. 750/-. On arrival at the appointed time at the bus, I found that my ticket number 26 A was also allocated to someone else. Besides, the sleeper number 26 was divided into two sleepers 26A and 26 B. It was not just impossible to climb into the sleeper but I cannot fathom how two people can share the same sleeper, unless they are a husband wife couple or gays/lesbians. Who gave Paulo Travels permit for such an arrangement? The bus was of course full and all people mostly tourists put up with the arrangement. Paulo Travels bus seems only good for pigs to travel in, not human beings. I demand that Paulo Travel's licence be immediately revoked. This is also to let fore-warn Goans what happens if you book your ticket by this Paulo Travels. regards, Samir Kelekar Bangalore
[Goanet]Cheapie Brits, complaints about overcharging in Bangalore etc.
Hi: I have been following the arguments about a hotel in Bangalore overcharging Gabriel and co. I am afraid even if a complaint is filed, unless it is diligently followed up for months and may be years, not much will come out of it. The costs and time involved in doing so itself makes it unviable. Ideally, Gabriel shouldn't have paid, but even there he has to stick his ground, be forceful talking to the management, not pay more and get out of the restaurant. Cheating abounds all over India and really in terms of consequences it is a minor problem compared to communalism and other issues as long as the amount is not much. Today in India, Reliance is buying up the whole govt., breaking laws left right and center, and there is no soul in India who is willing to do anything about it. regards, Samir Kelekar Bangalore
[Goanet]The Ungrateful Indian
The Ungrateful Indian October 19, 2003 Permit me to draw a picture of an average persons daily morning routine. 1. An early raiser wakes up and puts the light on (i.e. consumes electricity). Let us assume that this person consumes electricity worth 20 paise in doing so. Maybe 2 paise get added to the Reliance treasury. 2. This person then lights up the cooking gas or puts on the percolator for the first cup of tea or coffee. Let us assume that LPG/electricity worth 20 paise is used. Another two paise may get added to the Reliance treasury. 3. Our common man now wants warm water for bathing. Again, he either consumes LPG/electricity (maybe he uses wood). Another 10 paise probably finds it way to the Reliance treasury. Drainage pipes are made of PVC. Maybe, another two hundred odd rupees has already found its way to the Reliance Treasury. 4. Now this person puts on some clothes. Yes, you guessed it right. Polyester fiber is the route through which rupees hundred may have already found its way to the Reliance treasury. 5. Now this person wants to make some phone calls to organize his day. Some more revenue may find its way to the Reliance treasury. 6. How about some news on television. Thanks to convergence and electricity, some more revenue might have found its way to the Reliance treasury. 7. This person now logs in into his mail accounts. Convergence and electricity again. 8. Now our person is ready for breakfast. LPG/electricity this time (or is the person using wood). 9. Newspapers have arrived and surprisingly, not contributed to the Reliance treasury. Something must be quickly done about this anomaly. 10. At last our person is ready to go to work. Gets into/onto the vehicle and starts the engine. Yes, you are right about petrol/diesel (did somebody say naphtha? SSS that is the most closely guarded national secret). And the never ending saga of every persons daily morning routine goes on. Looking at the above list one can realise that the two W's, water and wood, are in urgent need of proper management and channelisation and one would also remember that the Great man spoke about these two W's. The Great man had said that he wished that he had another twenty years of life. He would have ensured that no person in the country would have lacked for the two W's (no mention of Reliance Treasury). How many people are aware of this yeomen service that the Reliance Group is providing and intends to provide to each and every person in India. Such unparalleled commitment to service and such unprecedented concern for the people of India. And yet, there are those amongst us who repeatedly create obstructions in the path of this glorious group. We obstruct the disinvestment of HPCL/BPCL. We insist on restricting the call forwarding facility offered by Reliance Infocomm (Group of Ministers' should immediately overcome this by permitting unified license). The Honorable Prime Minister of our country is giving the golden quadrilateral to the people and the Reliance Group is ready to complement the Prime Minister's efforts with their pipes. Reliance Energy is eager to provide electricity to Maharashtra (never mind if it is only a few selected cities that are the cash cows of MSEB). They are so kind and considerate that they have willingly left a major portion of the state for MSEB. Why is MERC dragging its feet? Despite these difficulties the group continues to offer their humble services to the people of India. And the people of India are being so ungrateful to the Reliance Group. How can we rectify this? We must insist that the name of Reliance Group be inserted into our national anthem along with Punjab, Sindh, Gujarat, Maratha, Dravida. After all aren't they Bharata Bhagyya Vidhata? Our Honorable Minister for Information Technology has said and I quote Should we block technologies or practices because they violate existing laws and regulations? Should we clutch on to laws and regulations till they are disregarded into complete meaninglessness? Or should we put the new possibilities to work? I totally agree with our Honorable Minister. Old order must make way for the new. I suggest that we should replace the Ashok Chakra on our National Flag with the Reliance emblem. Our National pledge can be redrafted to read as under: India is my Country. All Indians are my brothers and sisters. I love my country and I am proud of its Reliance Group. That seems to be the new order anyway. If there are too many hurdles in the path of Disinvestment we should form a Ministry of Entrustment and entrust all our public sector companies to the Reliance Group. I am sure that there is nothing in our laws and the statutes of our public
[Goanet]IFFI and health care experiences of a Goan medical doctor based in NYC
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Here is experiences of a Goan medical doctor based in NYC, someone who with all the idiosyncancies loves Goa very much!! was unimpressed with healthcare advances in goa. It seems as if nothing has moved in last ten yrs. Bureaucracy is mind boggling. Here is something funny I wanted to tell you. I was planning on seeing the marathi movie Shwaas which was being screened at IFFI and had great reviews. The movie was supposed to be screened at 6 pm so I enquired about getting the tickets, and was told that I have to get it from ticket booth at miramar! (screening was at INOX GMC), OK, do you think I could have made it to the movie after buying ticket at miramar- absolutely not, because the ticket booth was to open at 6 pm and the traffic was diverted via Saint Inez. And someone said IFFI was a big success? regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Little prince in konkani
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Please contact Madhavi Sardessai, Department of Konkani, Goa University. She is the translator of the book. regards, Samir Kelekar A friend is searching for The Little Prince by Antoine Saint-Exupery in Konkani. Apparently, it was published as Mankulo Rajkuvar (in Devanagari Konkani) some years ago. Does anybody have any leads, as she would really like to obtain a copy of the book, since she is collecting this book in the various languages in which it has published? Reports are that it has been published in 142 languages. Do get in touch if you have any information.
[Goanet]Re: Hats off to our Chief minister
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## It is not hats off, but the CM has turned Goa into such a state that Goans will have no other option but to do pants off to get their next meal. Any criteria for something to be considered on the Internatinal map? Which world does this Rabin Gonsalves live in? Only net effect of IFFI. Rs. 150 crores from Goan tax payers goes to Parikar's cronies. Rest effect is zilch. Also, the story about Goa being next only to 4 metros is also not true. Thanks to the IT industry, even smaller places such as Pune, Tiruvanathapuram, Mangalore are making great strides and have left Goa far behind. regards, Samir Kelekar rags677 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The tremendous success of the IFFI, the effiencenty manged exposition in old goa has put goa on the international map. This has been possible due to the vision, will and determination of one man manohar parrikar under whose steadfast leadership a team of commited beaurcrats and other citizens worked tirelessly. There is still a long way to go as far as development of goa is concerned, but i am sure everyone will agree that leaving aside the four metros, goa can be considered far better than most other indian cities. Many has criticized IFFI as being a case of misplaced priorities. Some criticize the shortcommings of the festival, but nobody is perfect and what is important is to learn from one's mistakes. But i guess we should all join in and give our CM a high five!!. he truly deserves it. Well Done Manohar parrikar. Rabindranth Gonsalves
[Goanet]Discussion about PhDs
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Well, whoever is Avelino D'Souza, it is nice knowing that there is such a person and that he makes a reasonable request. It was not funny when a Ph.D in something brought in family members into the discussion recently. It is Agriculture dropouts from Shivaji University only know to tell lies. It is Miguel who thought it was great to tell me that he has two children. When responded, he shouts about PhDs. It was he who brought children in the discussion. It is all very well documented. Also, what has happened to Miguel's comments about Goa University PhDs? regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Can Miguel justify the abuse of Goa University PhDs?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Can Miguel justify the generic abuse that he sprouts on Goa University PhDs? What is the reason? Can he justify with data that one has to be foolish to do a PhD from Goa University or withdraw his arguments, with apology? regards, Samir Kelekar, PhD Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec 1 11:34:14 2004 wrote: Which brings us back to the same point that I made earlier: Till Radhakrishnan, or some one else foolish enough to want a Ph.D from Goa University, writes a thesis on him, PARRIKAR IS THE BEST CM in Goa.!! Viva Goa Miguel
[Goanet]Re: misconceptions about AIDS
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## FN writes: Readying for an assault for taking on a subject in which one has no qualifications; it's just that the arguments about seem rather wonky. Why does Santosh become such a fundamentalist when he invests blind faith in the miracle-religion propagandised today under the name of Science? FN Hi FN: About Santosh, I have had extensions discussions with him on various topics. I can say for sure that he will be the last one to have a blind faith in anything. I would tend to agree with you that there is a lot of Western politics when it comes to spreading a drug and canvassing about it, but certainly there is no doubt that science proceeds by a thorough approach based on evidence. The Eastern approaches such as Ayurveda etc may have worth in them, but sadly no one who is practicing Ayurveda is willing to put his/her data through a scientific approach on the lines science (in this case allpathic medicine) does. In the particular case of AIDS, I would anyday vouch for a practitioner of allopathic medicine than a quack. regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Cost of multiplex in real terms...
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Hi Mr. Naik, Using your reason, Goa (and the rest of the world) should not have any luxury / comforting amenities till the last 'left-behind individual' has been brought up to the average standards. It is not that, but policies should be drawn such that those who are left-behind get helped. Should India not have any centers of higher education like graduate and post-graduate universities, satellites, e-mail facilities, automobiles till there are enough of PRIMARY SCHOOLS, HEALTH CENTRES, ROADS etc for all its citizens? PCC is a Congress party and not a Communist party. Education is different from throwing parties on bridges at tax payer's expense, and spending huge money on multiplexes which will go unoccupied most of the times after IFFI not to mention that these are given to private parties on a platter. If I could add from my rudimentary knowledge of economics and political science, whatever the government (and others) spend goes into somebody's pocket and ... then into another person's take, and then another person's receives the money. This is the RIPPLE EFFECT of spending So, give all the govt's money to some favoured party in Mumbai; and yes the ripple effect will people's stomachs in Goa. What a pathetic argument? (compared to hoarded money or gold). It is estimated that one unit (Rupee) of government expenditure can generate up to seven fold of private capital -gain/circulation. Then the government collects taxes every time private citizens exchange THAT MONEY for necessities, merchandise, services etc. Thus Goans are better served by the government empowering Goans to seek/ purchase education, healthcare etc. rather than putting THAT MONEY down a (never ending) government 'sink-hole' where the consumer has no choice and expects to receive the social benefits (that you have outlined) as a right/ handout /give away. This leads to abuse and waste. Please note that the Goan treasury has gone bankrupt because all the money has been doled out to friends and buddies in Mumbai or in Goa. If this is your concept of economics, then you should pass all your savings to me, Gilbertbab, and I will take enough care that the ripple effect will take place when I spend ; the ripple effect, in you very own argument, should even take care of you in turn!!! regards, Samir Kelekar The Real cost/ gain of the Multiplex and IFFI is promoting private enterprise! Now it is for Goans to take advantage and make the best of it. Regards, GL Supporting private enterprise is different from distributing money in a corrupt fashion to buddies. I have been shouting hoarse that yes, young entrepreneurs ought to be helped. No where is this need more evident than in the field of IT, which is a budding field where there are enough trained Goans already! regards, Samir Kelekar SHANTARAM NAIKEx-M.P. Ex-President, Goa PCC, 2137, Near Swami Math, Gogol,Margao 403 602 0832-2759555 9822159161 19th Nov.2004 600 PRIMARY SCHOOLS 500 HEALTH CENTRES,200 Kms OF ROADS MEANS MULTIPLEX How much Goa has lost by way of developmental projects, with the Goa Government having invested Rs 30 crores (Rs 300 million) to build cinema theatres (multiplex), in Panaji Goa, when no Chief Minister of any State in our country would ever do so at the cost of much needed investments in health, sanitation, education, electricity roads etc? With thirty crores rupees, the government could have built an hospital like Victor Apollo in Margao which was erected at a cost 20 crores only. Government could have constructed 600 Primary Schools or 500 health centers or more than 200 kms of road at the same cost of 30 crores. A chief minister who does not understand the basics of priorities in a developing country, must be rated No 1 from the bottom in any performance evaluation exercise and Goa Chief Minister, perhaps may achieve that feat, soon. Those who get carried away by the glitter of multiplex at Panaji fail to understand that the project has not only robbed poor and middle class Goans, but that, their loss has been doubled as the project, ordinarily could not have cost not more than 15 crores. To complete the process of participation of the Goa Government by way of investment of public money in an unprecedented manner in an uncalled for project, the Chief Minister should now post his ministers as ticket-checkers at the four theatres in the multiplex building.
[Goanet]Tax payers to foot dinner bill ?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Besht chief minister of Goa, so besht dinner bill for tax payers! Samir Film Festival dinner on Corjuem Bridge ! - What do the unique cable-stayed Aldona-Corjuem bridge and the much-hyped IFFI have in common? Nothing much, except for the fact that the recently inaugurated bridge will now turn into a dinner venue for the IFFI guests and delegates on December 3.
[Goanet]Re: Parrikar is the best
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Parrikar's nailing the opposition leaders comes out of a sense of convenience, rather than conviction. For instance, Monserrate is not targetted because he is needed for the support. But more than that, the extravagent spending of money and giving out contracts to his buddies without any proper procedures makes Parrikar hardly any different from previous corrupt CMs. The misplaced priorities that choose to ignore more important concerns such as employment for people further worsens the situation. I can sense that some people are getting carried away by the glitter of IFFI and the new road. But if you go a bit deeper, not get carried away by the stars, the starlets, and the glitter and ask the question: is this worth it, is this going to bring back returns, and more so how it is going to help the local people, you will not find right answers. Much more could have been done with Rs. 150 crores. Thousands could have been given employment thus improving the standard of life of an average Goan rather than that of only his buddies and those who own the 5 star hotels. The worsening position of the Goan economy is Parrikar's legacy that future govt.s will have to deal with. regards, Samir Kelekar Some Goans seems to forget the recent past CM's works. Taking liberty to forward something I found that you be interest to you Minguel/Samir/FN. A. Fernandes Goa Su-Raj, at one time has quoted Jack Kenedy in one of their write-ups, which is: The need of the hour is not to fix the blame but to chart the course for the future. But one cannot forget and forgive what has been happening to Goa at the hands of our political fathers. Parrikar, if he is seriously working on the X-Files, is an excellent news for Goa and Goans. Someone had to do it. We thought that the whole dirty bag will be left for Goa Su-Raj to open and give it a thorough airing. We do hope that Parrikar will also spruce up the Aguada jail. We are sure a lot of VIPs will need the hospitality of this institution. Floriano Parrikar's secret agents gather data on ex-CMs R V PRABHUGAONKAR/TIMES NEWS NETWORK PANAJI: Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar has got his hands on some `X Files' and is ready to dynamite three former CMs. Sources in the state administration say classified information on irregularities committed during the tenure of the last three chief ministers have been collected by the secretariat on instructions from the government. With this, Parrikar is trying to keep his promise to Goans to eliminate all `Narkasuras' (symbol of all evil) plaguing Goa politics, before Christmas. Former chief ministers Luizinho Faleiro and Francisco Sardinha of the Congress and Wilfred D'Souza of the Nationalist Congress Party are said to be in the list. Parrikar has gone on record to state that he has enough information and evidence against some elected representatives. It may be recalled that he had nailed three Congress stalwarts -- Dayanand Narvekar, Somnath Zuarkar and Mauvin Godinho -- reducing their political clout. While Sardinha and D'Souza had earlier shared power with Parrikar, Faleiro had governed the state as Congressman. Parrikar himself knows what secrets and skeletons have been shoved into the closet during the previous regimes. He had earlier filed an FIR against Rachelle Faleiro, wife of Luizinho Faleiro, in connection with a land deal at Kesarval. On the defensive, Ms Faleiro had challenged the BJP government to prove allegations levelled against her. His strategy: Expose the hypocrisy of heavyweights in the opposition, blow their political cover and weaken them, and indirectly, their party. Sources in the administration declined to elaborate on the X Files, and what they contain. However, the move has sent shock waves in Congress circles, but none in the party was ready to react. Though the BJP-led coalition has been doing well during the last year, Parrikar's gambit is seen as a survival tactic. He is trying to dislodge any threats -- internal or external -- to the government by identifying the forces working against it. The effort to collect information against three former chief ministers is also a step directed towards the security and stability of the government. At the BJP office in Panaji, sources exhibited ignorance about any such moves launched by either the party or the government. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?art_Id=1091416447 Minguel Braganza writes: Frankly, I do not believe we had a Chief Minister with a vision after Bhausaheb Bandodkar...till Manohar Parrikar came along. He is a bit autocratic. That is a part of the
[Goanet]Goa's dismal failure on the IT front
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## India today is a country to reckon with in the field of IT. India's exports are close tp $10 billion in IT. How much does Goa has as its share? Not much. In Bangalore alone, more than a lakh software enigneers (could be even 2 lakh) work. Here are some of the salary figures for software engineers. 1) A fresh software engineer can command anywhere from Rs. 10 K to Rs. 25 K per month. 2) A manager would get around Rs. 75 K to Rs 1 Lakh a month. 3) A senior experienced hat could make from Rs. 1 lakhs to even Rs. 3 lakhs a month. 4) Some top shots make much more than Rs. 3 lakhs a month. This is just to give you an idea of what Goa is losing. A govt. has to have priorities when it spends valuable money. It is not just about showing muscle power on coming up with buildings. Someone mentioned that so many schools, hospitals etc could have been started with the Rs. 150 crores. As far as IT is concerned, if this money was invested in an IT industry, with a very conservative estimate, at least 6000 new jobs could have been created. Wouldn't it be better than hosting 3000 delegates instead? A person who has a job lives life with dignity, and that I think is the most important need in Goa today. As the poet Manoharrai Sardessai said years ago: maagli bhik puro zali, katti atam fodcheli. Zayat Zage. regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Bounty for Inox
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## BOUNTY FOR INOX It seems that INOX, the agency presently running the multiplex at the old GMC precinct at Panjim is the biggest beneficiary of the largesse of the Goa Government, as it has received a Diwali gift in the shape of commercially running the multiplex. The question being asked by the common man is, why should the Government be in the business of building a multiplex when there are more immediate priorities like water, electricity, roads and strengthening the police force to contain crimes like rapes, etc. At a time when the Centre is thinking of disinvestments in the non-priority sectors does it make sense for the Government to invest crores in a multiplex? People are aware how much money INOX has earned during the construction of the multiplex and also how much they are going to earn in the near future. In fact they have gone commercial even before the necessary infrastructure around the complex has been completed, thereby causing inconvenience to the motorists on D.B. Marg. However, the Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar owes an explanation to the Goan people how he hopes to recover the Rs 24 crores he has spent on the multiplex. Besides who is going to monitor the accounts of INOX, is it the Revenue Department or the GSIDC? If we go by the financial track record of the GSIDC, it would not be wrong to presume that while INOX will laugh its way to the Bank, the majority of Goans, which includes the poor Poinguinkar will have to pay through their nose for something they can only hope to look at from outside. It is sad that Panjim is shining only for the filthy rich. Rui Mascarenhas, Panjim. [goan observer] - This article is especially posted as part of the campaign to give truth to the Goanet readers. There are too many boot-lickeing, brainwashing propaganda articles that are coming out on Goanet these days. Who knows, some of them might even be sponsored by the Goa govt directly or indirectly. We see people such as Nandkumar Kamat, who once stood steadfastly for the environment, doing a Mathany now. I know the case of the IT advisor Dr. Anupam Saraf who used to speak out once. The moment he started getting Rs. 50 K as salary per month from the Goa Govt., he stopped showing up on all public forums. Parrikar knows very well who can be bought out how. ---
[Goanet]Re: Parrikar is the best
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Minguel Braganza writes: Frankly, I do not believe we had a Chief Minister with a vision after Bhausaheb Bandodkar...till Manohar Parrikar came along. He is a bit autocratic. That is a part of the package for an achiever. We are starting justification for a dictatorship now; Why not have a Musharaf ruling us? I am told he is a big achiever, if you leave democracy out. Hitler would be even better. It requires serious vision to see the advantages of democracy, not to mention that muscle flexing does not equate capability. The disaster of Goa's economy in the name of IFFI, the projects given to buddies, the sacking of the DGP all need to be protested by all right thinking Goans. regards, Samir Who would rather have a Luizinho, Sardinha, Rane or Jitendra except one of these worthies themselves? Till someone better comes along, Parrikar is the best. That stands for the foreseeable future. - I fully concur with you. This is what I have been stating all along. For some sour grapes, it is like saying: Kakoi zalear soggleanch olduvem dista! AlmeidaG(ji) __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page - Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re: Goa Govt donates Rs. 21 lakh to Marathi film Shwaas
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## From which fund is this money given ? What is the legal angle to this --- for instance is a PIL that puts a stay on this sustainable ? Can someone find out from a lawyer? regards, Samir Kelekar From: floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goa Govt donates Rs 21 lakh to Marathi film 'Shwaas' Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:37:41 +0530 Floriano, Please inform me if Konkni has so far been enacted as the official language of Goa? After the beatings we endured, imprisonmet suffered and quite a little blood offered, the issue is pretty dear to my cardiac feelings. And young Gabriel has every right to question the matter; RKK hardly any. He may not know Gabriel; I know him, and his family, very well. He is the scion of a most distinguished family replete with integrity, culture and courtesy. My co-villagers from Loutulim. Dear Gabriel, You want to know - Where's Konkani gone??? Simply ... DOBEAN Floriano - Original Message - From: Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goa Govt donates Rs 21 lakh to Marathi film 'Shwaas' --- Eddie Verdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goa Govt donates Rs 21 lakh to 'Shwaas' PANAJI: The Goa government on Thursday announced an aid of Rs 21 lakh to the producers of Marathi film Shwaas which has been selected as India's entry to the Oscars. Marathi? Where's Konkani gone? Gabriel. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]Re: DGP relieved by Goa Govt...
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## It is a dangerous precedent set by Parrikar. One cannot have partisan police in a democracy. In the Gujarat riots case, all the police top brass were hand in gloves with the accused (in fact, it is coming out now that they were in touch on cell phones with the accused during the riots), while they did not respond to cry for help from the victims. One should give the police free hand in investigating all the crimes, not just the crimes of the opposition MLAs. regards, Samir Goanettters, A big deal is being made over a DGP being relieved of his duties. The DGP was in Goa for just 5 months. And how many IGPs, DGPs, Commissioners do we require for a small place like Goa? Goa has functioned very well without all these IPS officers in the past.
[Goanet]Re: A letter to the CM of Goa
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## An open letter To the CM of Goa published on Goanet.org: of crooks, you have to be a little bit crooked. The people will forgive you for that, Mr Parrikar, as long as they can see that your are using the peoples money on programs which will change the life of the citizens of Goa for the better. Oh yeah?.. I can see that the life of Goans will be very much better due to IFFI, The resent change in the top leadership of The Goa Police Departement, is also a golden opportunity for the state of Goa. Mr. Parrikar. Its now your duty to appoint good cops on top, who will not bulge down on offers to set a side justice by personal motives. But what about Parrikar's personal motives? Living in Ribandar for the last four years, I have been a close spectator to some irregularities in the Police Department. Police complaints about serious crimes have not been taken seriously. Here in Ribandar the Nuns of the Convent of Our Lady of Help was attacked by a mob, and threatened by rape and murder. The culprits are still roaming at large. Mr. Parrikar, even our Church has been attacked by the same mob, which criminally trespassed into the residence of our Parish Priest. A Ribandar family was even threatened by the mob to frame false allegations on the same Priest, an unsuccessful bid by the mob to try to cover up their crimes, helped by unfaithfull servants in your government. When this mob of Ribandar can attack our nuns and priest, and not be held accountable under the law of justice, we have to live in fear. The people of Ribandar are still asking them self: Who´s next? Kindly take the necessary action against the culprits. How about the police not filing charge sheet when an FIR was filed against someone from Riabandar? Sincerely Yours. Mr. Ivar Fjeld Ribandar Good maska-pav...:-) regards, Samir __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
[Goanet]DGP removed --- what a shame.
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## It is time for another freedom movement in Goa, freedom from this dictator Parrikar. What a shame, it is Parrikar who should be removed. How about a morcha at the beginning of IFFI protesting this action? regards, Samir Kelekar PS: to goan observer, for publication as a letter to the editor. Headline: DGP relieved by state government By: SANJAY BANERJEE Source: The Times of India. 25 November, 2004 at http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/936217.cms PANAJI: The Goa government on Thursday served an order to the DGP, Amod Kanth relieving him of his services.Mr Kanth told The Times of India, I have received a letter that says the government is relieving me. I am complying with the order and not like to say anything.
[Goanet]Corrupt govts. learn their lesson
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## There is no point in being very moralistic. Governments that are corrupt, that give contracts on nepotism, that dont respect merit, be told in no uncertain terms that they will dig their own grave. regards, Samir HYDERABAD: The hacker is on the prowl and the government can do little to stop him in his tracks. At least, that's what the IT department - custodian of the government web sites and servers ... http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/320561.cms
[Goanet]Re: cost of Goa's multiplex in real terms
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear Shantarambab: I fully agree with your views. When Goans need basic amenities, and jobs, this Parrikar govt. is out to entertain foreign delegates. It is a complete waste of public money; in a country such as ours, there have to be laws that prevent such arbitrary spending. regards, Samir Kelekar COST OF MULTIPLEX IN REAL TERMS SHANTARAM NAIKEx-M.P. Ex-President, Goa PCC, 2137, Near Swami Math, Gogol,Margao 403 602 0832-2759555 9822159161 19th Nov.2004 600 PRIMARY SCHOOLS 500 HEALTH CENTRES,200 Kms OF ROADS MEANS MULTIPLEX
[Goanet]Re: I demand apology from Joel :-)
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Hi Jerry: You missed the smiley :-) in the line I demand apology from Joel. :-) Yes, Joel is doing a great job, and we are all thankful to him. If you have noticed some other threads in recent days, you would know why this post (which is a spoof) was posted. regards, Samir Kelekar -- Hello Samir' I read your article, and was surprised that you are demanding an apology from Joel. We Goans who are far away from Goa, appreciate the good work that Joel does by providing us the daily dose of the news of Goa. As for you being in Bangalore, I bet you can get the Goan papers on dailiy basis. Hence please don't be so harsh in your demands, as I feel Joel has done no wrong in giving that news coverage, as, as you must have noted that the news clipping is from (GT) which must be standing for Gomantak Times. Every news coverage which comes has these in the brackets either its N, or GT or, H, which is explained at the last as Courtesy: GT=Gomantak Times; NT=The Navhind Times; H=Herald; WE=Weekender Thanks Jerry Fernandes Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:36:57 +0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]I demand apology from Joel :-) Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Damn it , who is scandalizing whom here? Can anyone see a victim here? I can't. Heck, Joel needs to apologize for this scandal-mongering; and that too on the Internet. regards, Samir POLITICIANS BACKING RAPE ACCUSED, ALLEGES VICTIM: In another murky turn to the almost forgotten murky Margao rape case, the 17-year-old rage victim and her mother are facing continuous threat from local goons to settle the case and not press charges. They have alleged that some local politicians are supporting the accused Altaf Sayyed, who has earlier been arrested for similar and related crimes. (GT) _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]Response to Miguel
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Miguel: You seem to still have the itch of not keeping quiet. 1) First of all, you owe an apology on Goanet for your bigoted comments about the dark people. You are not going to get away with it. It is comments like yours that perpetuate the myth that fair is good, and dark is bad. How fair are you? How fair is your wife and family? Let us deal with this and get it out of the way before we deal with other issues. regards, Samir My dear Samir, An District and Sessions Court Judge has denied bail to Altaf Sayyad of Gogolunder Section 8[2] of the GOA CHILDRENS ACT,2003 read with IPC Section 376 and 342. He has been jailed based on prima facie evidence of rape produced by the Public Prosecutor Sarojini Sardinha. Question of consensual sex does not arise as the girl is a minor. It is mandatory rape. For details read Goamntak Times page 1,Col.7 dated 20 Nov.[www.gomantaktimes.com]. The girl and her mother have stood their ground. What is your evidence against the 5-Star hotel and the 100 girls alleged by YOU [ You are unable to upline your sources...perhaps because there are none;-( .] to have been 'procured' or 'supplied' ? In fact, WHAT is your case? - Original Message - From: Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Damn it , who is scandalizing whom here? Josebab, can you see a victim here? I can't. Heck, Joel needs to apologize for this* scandal-mongering;* and that too on the Internet. regards, Samir From Joel's news clip of two days back: POLITICIANS BACKING RAPE ACCUSED, ALLEGES VICTIM: In another murky turn to the almost forgotten murky Margao rape case, the 17-year-old rage victim and her mother are facing continuous threat from local goons to settle the case and not press charges. They have alleged that some local politicians are supporting the accused Altaf Sayyed, who has earlier been arrested for similar and related crimes. (GT) ... There is no point scurrying for every 'cover' that you see. The cover is just a mirage. First you were willing to give details to Rajan Narayan,then to Fredrick Noronhha. First you digress to Calangute beach, now to Margao. * scandal-mongering;* is what you have been doing right from the point you started this thread,Samir. APOLOGISE [ on Goanet, where you posted the carnard about 100 Goan girls] if you are a man. Hold your peace if you are a wimp. Viva Goa. Miguel
[Goanet]I demand apology from Joel :-)
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Damn it , who is scandalizing whom here? Can anyone see a victim here? I can't. Heck, Joel needs to apologize for this scandal-mongering; and that too on the Internet. regards, Samir POLITICIANS BACKING RAPE ACCUSED, ALLEGES VICTIM: In another murky turn to the almost forgotten murky Margao rape case, the 17-year-old rage victim and her mother are facing continuous threat from local goons to settle the case and not press charges. They have alleged that some local politicians are supporting the accused Altaf Sayyed, who has earlier been arrested for similar and related crimes. (GT)
[Goanet]Re: Finding your way around what's happening around Goa
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## I wonder if Admag and FreeAds have their Goa editions. They are not about event information, but are about all kinds of classifieds. The revenue model is very interesting: it does not cost anything to insert a small ad. (bigger ads cost), but it costs Rs. 8 or 10/- for a copy. These weekly mags are very popular and are one of the best sources to buy anything second-hand. regards, Samir Kelekar Bangalore FN writes: Secondly, and more importantly, this is yet another publication that has its model overwhelmingly dependent on advertising revenues. Nothing wrong in that, per se. But we already seem to have too many of these in Goa these days. So, generating reader-oriented quality information is no priority; earning advertiser rupees is the focus. Just the other day, a friend in the trade was mentioning how difficult it has become to earn advertising revenue. He claimed that some of the early players had ruined the market. That apart, Goa's readers could benefit from business models that rely on selling credible news and content, to
[Goanet]Re: Ensure independence of police : CAG
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Hi Mariobab: Obviously, Panjim's streets are well taken care of: it is Parrikar's own constituency. When Parrikar first came to power, people thought he was great. Slowly, Parrikar's strategies have got revealed to the Goan people. Parrikar believes in doing things only when he can get something out of it. Thus, Monserrate's crimes are absolved and he is given a ministerial post so that Parrikar can keep his power. Those who have independent mind such Kant and Randhwa from the police department are not wanted. Parrikar is power-hungry and very much dictatorial. He will do anything to further his these two ends. Yes, he throws some crumbs here and there, when some are left. People say he is personally not corrupt, but his buddies are making a fortune. Goa's financial situation has gone worse due to the current regime. Parrikar is also a very revengeful person, as is evident from the raids on Datta Naik's and Dr. Francisco Colaco's establishment the moment they formed Lok Shakti party and started opposing Parrikar. Parrikar does not believe in empowering people by creating more employment. Instead he would spend crores on populous measures such as giving free computers and giving pensions. Thus, his strategies are quite petty, if you look at them in the overall picture. In other words, he is nowhere close to the statesman he was made out to be; just another power broker but with an IIT tag. regards, Samir Kelekar Mario writes: I am not on top of current events in Goa, so please don't bite my head off, but we do visit Goa once a year, and the locals in Panjim at least, seem to give Parrikar the credit for the incredible cleanliness that seems to have broken out all over. I have never seen the streets of Goa so clean as on our last visit in February. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Have a Maruti, ensure your death
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## This might look gross, but I hardly have sympathies for those who drive on highways in Maruti 800/van. These cars are so unsafe; you have no chance with a head on collision. We have discussed this before. (i feel sorry for the kids, who may have had no say in the decision.) regards, Samir Kelekar some links are given below: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goa-Goans/message/16061 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goa-Goans/message/16024 Have a Maruti, ensure your death http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goa-Goans/message/12790 -- PALL of gloom descends over Gadgils, Purohits Pune Newsline - Pune,India ... 15: A PALL of gloom descended over Erandavane and Chinchwad areas, where the Gadgil and Purohit families, which lost six lives in a road mishap in Goa, lived. ... http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=106834 See all stories on this topic: http://news.google.com/news?ie=utf8oe=utf8persist=1num=30hl=enclient=googlencl=http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php%3Fnewsid%3D106834
[Goanet]RE: Ensure independence of police : CAG
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## I fully support CAG's stand. This is one more example of Parrikar's dictatorial ways. And someone said 4 years of Parrikar are good! Gimme a break; the person ought to be fantasizing. regards, Samir Kelekar The Citizen's Action Group (CAG)demands for a consensus amongst all political parties on the need to allow the Police Force to function freely and independently devoid of any political interference and manipulation whatsoever. CAG urges Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar to immediately withdraw his cabinet's high handed and outrageous decisions to keep the post of DGP in abeyance and to scrap one of the post of one of the DIG. Such a illogical and vindictive decision would discredit the image and moral of the administration and it is now public knowledge that these decisions were taken by the cabinet to drive away DGP Amod Kant and DIG Randhwa for not bowing down to political pressures.
[Goanet]Re: Goa's fun image...
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Very well said. I recommended Goa to a friend of mine recently. He visited Calangute, all by himself. A tout approached him, and the conversation went thus: Tout: Saab, kya beer, drinks mangta hai? My friend: No I dont drink. Tout: To kya chicken, mutton, fish ? My friend: No, I am a vegetarian. Tout: To kya ladki mangta hai? My friend: No. Tout: Tumko drinks nahi mangta hai, chicken, fish nahin mangta hai, ladki nahim mangta hi, to tum Goa aaya kyon? My friend meanwhile had a walkman with him which was playing songs. The tout asked to have a look at it, and listened to the songs. They were some sad songs by Kishore Kumar playing. Tout: Okay, to love break hua hai tumhara. Abhi humko samjha. Fully satisfied about the reason, the tout left. So, this is Goa's fun image. regards, Samir Kelekar -- Let me put my 2 cent here...Remember, I had sent a piece to goanet in Feb'04, regarding the episode at Dabolim airport? I was personal witness to the same. I have a slight feeling, People staying outside know more about whats happening inside Goa, than the ones based there. Rgds/Seb
[Goanet]Re: Liberation two required ...asks Wendell ...
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Stylespeak for Goa Today by Wendell Rodricks Liberation 2 Next month we will celebrate forty-three years since Indian forces moved into Goa and took it over as acquisition by conquest. Those are not my words but those of the Supreme Court of India. Why blame it on Delhi ? First, use the money that is there properly, and not give it to the cronies of politicians. Consider the Rs. 150 crores of IFFI. Should money like this be put in IFFI or should it go in more statewide infrastructural projects? Should money go in free cyberages schemes which basically turns a kid into a porno-watcher? Should there be populous measures such as pension schemes --- little doles that won't help to empower people? These are not Delhi's creations; these are creations of people whom we have ourselves voted into power. So, it is clear who should be blamed. regards, Samir
[Goanet]Hospiltality partner for IFFI: Everything included? :-)
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## TAJ TO BE HOSPITALITY PARTNER: The Taj Fort Aguada Beach resort will be the official hospitality partner for the International Film Festival of India. (LGT
[Goanet]Re: Goa's fun image...
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Miguel: There is no point behaving like an ostrich. Take it a bit cool. dont make it a personal issue. Also, please read my posts carefully, even the first post. Dear Samir, There is no point writing in shifting sands. One day you allege that 100 girls were 'provided' in Goa and call for legalizing prostitution in Goa. Next time they become partners in a disco...subject to confirmation from your undisclosed source in Goa.Give me If a teenage girl is available (on payment) for an evening beginning with a disco to an all male party, what does that mean? Do you think that is fine? How can one tell what has happened after that? Do you think the male party will just go home after the disco? Come on can't you put two and two together? Please note that the issue here is not whether sex happened in the particular case with every girl; the issue is what is happening. That local girls are available for the evening. As I mentioned, there was another friend of mine who was around when the story was told. I have his email address, and he has confirmed that the story won't be untrue (email attached). However, Miguel you have not shown the maturity for me to give you his email address. I am afraid if you start writing to him emails such as this post, he will get all upset and won't cooperate. If Frederick Noronha or some other more polite soul is willing to take the initiative, then I can pass his email address. However, I do not have the email or the phone number of the person who was witness to the story and who told the story. I do not see how prostitution in Bangalore is related to this. I take strong objection to your statement that it is an irresponsible post. Please note that the post was done in the spirit of information. I am not your type who believes in only showing the good things of Goa and shoving the bad things under the carpet. If someone has to apologize, it is you Miguel who has to apologize for your downright discriminatory statement about the matrimonial ad that was put out some time back; your colour prejudice about fair or otherwise belongs to a bigoted view, if you still havent figured it out. I am not surprised that this current atttitude of yours of shoving what is unsavoury under the carpet fits well in the whole picture. Sorry no apologies here. I stand by every line that I have posted. Here is my friend's (the one who was witness) email response to my mail: (The 's are mine introduced to protect the Hotel's name.) Hey man, He wont bluffesp regarding wht he said But i wudnt really know whether he'll give details.. wht do u have in mind? --- Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey: just wanted to know the reliability of the story that he mentioned about 100 local girls being supplied to guys at xxx. You think he will be willing to give details -- of course in confidence? regards, Samir -- Hope that is more than enough for a prima facie need to investigate the story more, and to flush Miguel's order for apology down the tube. Responsibly, Samir
[Goanet]Goa in Bride and Prejudice
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## There is some coverage of Goa in the Aishwarya Rai starrer Bride and Prejudice. A beachside party is also shown. regards, Samir
[Goanet]Re: IFFI : Award-winners from 20 nations
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Eddie Fernandes writes: IFFI: Award-winners from 20 nations http://www.mid-day.com/news/nation/2004/november/96570.htm It is not clear if the winner will also be provided with a partner Perhaps Samir knows :-) Dont know yet, and I may never know also. In the last case, it was just that the person who told me the story was himself a DJ at the disco party. Now, if those local people present at IFFI (Dont go inside the theater halls though...remember they may not be fire-proof) keep their eyes and ears open... Especially, note the goings on in the star hotels where the delegates will be staying, and you may know what is going on! After all, nowadays the pimp and the CM are quite close!!! regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Re: Goa's fun image
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Let's have a 'provisional' apology ,at the very least. What exactly you want a provisional apology for? Can you clarify? You have written so much and I dont see how it relates to an apology. Btw, my position on prostitution is that it should be legalized and regularized. And that is independent of the place: Goa, Bangalore or Las Vegas! regards, Samir Viva Goa. Miguel
[Goanet]Peter D'Souza on terrorism
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## taken place in Australia and England. No matter how much the hatred, you can't blame Mr. Bush for encouraging the growth of terrorism. Only when the United States starts arresting masses of Finns, Swedes and Australians--in the same numbers as they've been rounding up Islamists--then, and only then, should America start the process of instrospection and wonder whether it really is the *cause* of terrorism. Why the discrimination between Islamists and the Finns? Why the discrimination based on religion? Your criteria to judge the increase of terrorism is discriminatory. Only when the Finns start becoming terrorists you would think that terrorism has increased. Dont people who belong to Islam religion count? No wonder, you say that this is going to be your last point. You would have no basis to justify your statements. The civilised world cannot claim responsibility for creating terrorists, the hatemongers of this world who allow their pre-pubescent children to become suicide bombers are to blame. Your arguments certainly dont seem to come from a civilized mindset. My point exactly--17-year old who has been taught to hate will take up arms and conduct a suicide attack. Because of his upbringing he is more likely to commit an act of terror than, say, contemporary in Portugal When a 17 year old sees his parents killed due to an Israeli bombing due to no fault of theirs, what else do you expect him/her to do? Go to McDonalds and eat burgers? who strongly opposes the American governement and its inaction in East Timor a few years ago (a situation as dear to Portugal as the Palestinian cause might be to the Saudis). Do you rememeber the sight of hundreds of Palestinian children dancing in the streets when the WTC fell? What makes pre-teen children rejoice at such at such evil? There Whether you liked it or not, the rejoicing was the helpless people's way of getting back at the US. The American govt. has been unleashing a reign of terror at will: right from bombing Gaddafi's Libya at will, to the Iraq war and what not, American has been using its muscle power at will. No govt. has the military power to take on America. Pray tell me, What should those who are affected by American terror do? was no talk of invading Iraq at the time, yet the sight of children dancing with glee leaves little doubt that these little fellows shared the joy of terrorists. Sorry, I'm not trying to score points in an argument--you're welcome to respond, but I won't be saying any more on the issue. P.S. Could you drop the word unilateral? It's getting a little stale, especially since many other nations have suffered casualties in this war. I don't understand how spending a premium of $100 billion per year can make economic sense. Your argument seems to stem from skepticism more than reality. It is not my argument; it is Bush's logic for attacking Iraq. This is getting pointless. You've either got to study economics, or read the statements Mr. Bush made before the war, or both. I'd recommend _Basic Economics_ and _Applied Economics_ , both by Thomas Sowell; don't get put off by the title of the former, it is really a super book and a must-read for every policymaker. There is enough material to indicate that one of the main aims of attacking Iraq is the oil. What I am saying is that people prefer to treat terrorism pre-emptively than to treat it the same way that prostitution or gambling are treated (Kerry's strategy). Most people in America have a hard time understanding how terrorism can be downgraded to the level of a nuisance (Kerry again). Fine, but there appears no evidence to indicate that Saddam had terrorist intentions or even had WDMs. Being an American (and I'm not one) does not guarantee one's safety around the world, but neither does being a Brit, Australian, Filipino, Indian or anybody else. Christian Zionists are sometimes targetted for attacks, but some of the Zarqawi crew show that they don't discriminate. Sure, Iraq is not safe, but most of the rest of the world is much safer for Indians than Americans. I dont think anyone would contest that. regards, Samir
[Goanet]Parrikar's cronies want more --- greed has no bounds
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Navhind Times - Panjim Goa SUNDAY , November 7th November 2004 Centre should give Goa more funds: CM UNI Jaipur Nov 6: The Goa Chief Minister, Mr Manohar Parrikar made a strong pitch today for re-fixing the priorities for central assistance to states doing well on the development front. Addressing a meeting called by the Planning Commission here for mid-term review of the 10th Plan (2002-07) in West zone states, he claimed that Goa was performing well on most parameters, but got back just a meagre share of the resources it generated for the central pool. Sixty-five per cent of the country's iron ore export was routed through Goa while the state also generated more than Rs 2,000 crores in revenue through tourism, yet what we get back from the Centre is meagre, he said. Parrikar should be first asked whether people are benefitting from all this money. All this money is currently going to Parrikar's cronies only. According to a senior state official present at the meeting, Mr Parrikar demanded flexibility in the allocation of resources by the Centre in case of Goa since it neither had a big population, nor acute poverty, parameters the Centre considers while deciding on allocations. What a reason to give? If Goa has less poverty, it is only because of expat money, not because people can earn money in Goa. Unlike other states, Goa thus needed central assistance to fight lifestyle related diseases that afflict the affluent, he said. Ha ha ha; so we now know where the extra money is going to go. To the affluents, not to those who are not well-known. Center should tell Parrikar 'no' in straight language. In the power sector too, corporatisation of power companies was not needed since transmission and distribution losses were a low 26 per cent and Goa was making profits in the power sector, he said. The Chief Minister did not make demands for any specific package for Goa at the meeting, but spoke of its potentials and the high growth rate achieved in various fields in the state, the official said. Ha ha ha; there is very high growth in one area --- that is in the number of Goans leaving Goa. We are targetting a growth rate of 14 per cent and are doing well on the development front, Mr Parrikar was reported to have told the meeting. He also projected the Cyberage Student's Scheme and Dayanand Social Security Scheme of the state government at the meeting, the official said. How did he project the Cyberage scheme? Hope he is not trying to make Goa the porno capital of the world; it is already the paedophile capital of the world. regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Online petition: Gujarat riots, appeal for the protection of witnesses
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Please sign the below on line petition and forward widely. (the final date for all signatures is November 11) URL: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/gapw/petition.html o o o o To: President of the Republic of India, to the Prime Minister, to the Minister for Home, and to the National Human Rights Commission GUJARAT GENOCIDE TRIALS: APPEAL FOR THE PROTECTION OF WITNESSES The Best Bakery of Hanuman Tekri, Vadodara, was attacked by a mob of several hundred people late in the evening on 1 March 2002. By morning, the bakery had been burnt down and over a dozen people had been killed. Zahira Habibullah Sheikh, many members of whose family were among the dead or injured, described in detail what had happened. She said, among other things, that the Police Control Room and the Panigate Police Station had been asked for help, and that a police vehicle had stopped briefly by the bakery but had driven on. She said all this many times in Vadodara and she said all this many times in Delhi. But it is well known that when they came before the fast track court, Zahira, her entire surviving family, and other witnesses either said that they knew nothing of the attack on the bakery or else that the accused had actually been their saviours. As a consequence, all 21 accused were acquitted. A press report said of this: The trial court had acquitted the accused saying the police had conducted a shoddy investigation by booking the wrong persons and collecting the wrong evidence. It is also well known that soon after this, Zahira announced that she had lied in court. Here is a press report about that: On July 7, a few days after the verdict, Zahira told a press conference in Bombay that she and other witnesses had changed their testimony after receiving death threats. She directly accused BJP MP [should be MLA] Madhu Shrivastav and his cousin, Congress politician Chandrakant 'Bhattu' Shrivastav, of intimidating her. The BJP MLA, once a known bootlegger, had protectively escorted Zahira to the court. It is unlikely that the police were absent. But here is yet another press report, one which carries more weight than all the others: While ordering a re-trial of the Best Bakery case in Maharashtra, the Supreme Court today compared the Gujarat Government to 'modern day Neros who were looking elsewhere when Best Bakery and innocent children and hapless women were burning, and were probably deliberating on how the perpetrators of the crime can be protected.' The latest and most staggeringly ludicrous episode in the saga came well after the re-trial in Mumbai had begun. It had Zahira accusing an NGO's people of taking her to Mumbai at knife point and holding her captive there. She appealed for protection. Where was Zahira when she decided, for whatever reason, to tell the trial court that she had lied earlier? Where was Zahira when she decided, for whatever reason, to ask to be protected from the NGO which used knives? On both occasions she was in Vadodara; and on the second, it was only the Gujarat Police which could be asked to protect her. Who controlled the Gujarat Police, the force whose duty it was to have prevented the crimes of which the Supreme Court had spoken? The Gujarat Government, of course, which so many have held responsible for having planned and instigated those very crimes. In or before June 2003, the People's Union for Civil Liberties and the Vadodara Shanti Abhiyan withdrew from the hearings of the Nanavati-Shah Commission in Vadodara. They said that many Muslim victims and witnesses to key incidents in last year's violence would not be willing to appear before the Commission ... because of the atmosphere of fear and insecurity prevailing among the Muslim victims They regretted that the Commission had made no public apology for any reported statements in the media that amounted to pre-judging and exonerating the State Police, one of the main accused in last year's violence This observation about the Gujarat Police cannot be called evidence. However, responsible people and organisations, as well as two statutory bodies, have said things which, at the very least, raise suspicions about that force. The words used by the Supreme Court about the Gujarat Government went well beyond mere suspicion: they pointed not only to a dereliction of statutory duty but also to a probable illegal protection of criminals. Over 2,000 Indian citizens were killed in Gujarat in the weeks and months following 28 February 2002. It is not known how many women and girls were raped before being killed.
[Goanet]Peter DeSouza on terrorism
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Peter DSouza writes: Yes, most of us didn't see them. People on the planes which crashed into the WTC and the Pentagon got to see some of them. There's a fellow named Osama who had been around before the Iraq war. People in Israel get to Lest we forget, Osama is very much an American creation. It is well-known that Osama learnt the tricks of the trade via American arms and finance. 1993, ... My point is that the war didn't transform peace-loving folks into mass murderers. That is a key point which I am debating. There are enough reports to indicate that the anti-American sentiments world-wide has increased massively after the unilateral attack on Iraq. Now if you are saying that none of this sentiment is going to turn people into taking up arms, then you must be assuming everyone the world over is like GoaNet subscribers: all talk only. We have seen it in Israel/Palestine. No 17 year old takes to arms and goes for a suicide attack just like that. We have seen it happen in India too as a fallout of the Gujarat riots. Common men and women have got stirred to resort to terrorist attacks. The point is: terrorists are not born. They happen due to one reason or the other. And Bush's unilateral unprovoked attack on Iraq sure would be one reason for more to turn to terrorism. What about 1000 American casualties? Going by how things are going, these are only going to increase in the next four years, it looks like. Maybe, maybe not. Remember what was said about Afghanistan. It's worth waiting to see the eventual outcome of the war. Sure let us wait and see. I don't understand how spending a premium of $100 billion per year can make economic sense. Your argument seems to stem from skepticism more than reality. . It is not my argument; it is Bush's logic for attacking Iraq. America. Why do we hear so little about the 19% of Americans for whom terrorism is the key issue and so much more about religion being the main factor? That is an interesting point. What you are essentially saying is that people voted Bush because they feel that his so-called war on terrorism is making America a safer place. My take on this point is that turning American into a fortress could make it safer; however, Americans would be more threatened once they leave America; of course, other issues such as respect for international law etc haven't been dealt here. regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Re: The US elections, parallels to India and the next 4 years
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## It is very interesting indeed, Samir. The truth of the matter is that in spite of the economy losing 1.9 million jobs due to the recession that Bush inherited, and in spite of the economic fallout of September 11, Gimme a break; Bush inherited recession? My understanding was that the economy was its peak in 2000, late 2000. The recession (at least in the IT field) began just as Bush took over, and then 9/11 made things worse. Where are you getting your data from? the Bush administration created an economic stimulus package which resulted in the recovery of over 800,000 jobs. ..and it continues to grow for the 14th straight month. Manufacturing has increased too. Unemployment is down by more than 1 percentage point, and is as low as Unemployment down, compared to when? it was during the prosperous Clinton economy of 1996. So, despite the bad economy, people losing jobs, it is only as bad as it was when Clinton was re-elected in 1996. Nobody was complaining then, and the American people who were affected by it during the last 4 years seem to think it's only as significant a problem as it was in 1996. The United States share of the world's GDP at the time Bush took office was about 25%, it's now 33%. There is no cause to complain about the superb growth in GDP. No, they also voted based on economic concerns as I outlined above. People do vote based on religious feelings, one of many factors. Values play an important role too. In a country where the rule of law is paramount it must come as a given that a strong moral code undergirds the foundation of that law. I think it was Malcolm X who once said if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. Bush stands for muscle flexing, for the might is right kind of order. As we have seen as a justification of Iraq war, even facts dont come in the way of Bush's muscle flexing. One thing is sure that this will create more terrorists. For instance, those who are keeping people hostage now, and massacaring, they were nowhere to be seen before the Iraq war. The fear factor coupled with the fact that the United States has been effectively protected against any major terrorist act since September 11, 2001 has been an important contributor in the re-election of George W. Bush. There have been many planned attacks which have been stopped, and terrorist sleeper cells have been uncovered. This is well documented. What about 1000 American casualties? Going by how things are going, these are only going to increase in the next four years, it looks like. The outsourcing of manufacturing has several benefits, among them the average household in the United States has about $2,000 each year in spending cash. The outsourcing of tech jobs to Bangalore and other places has several benefits, one of which is that American consumer goods end up in the hands of foreign consumers. I won't bore you with more detail, but there are liberals and conservatives alike who share that sentiment. You might want to check articles on the subject by Thomas Friedman (a liberal), the influential foreign affairs editor of the New York Times, or the editorial pages of the Wall Street Journal (conservative). Regarding war costs: there are significant amounts of the money spent there which comes back to the United States since American contractors such as Raytheon and Halliburton have been providing infrastructural support. I frankly think that this needs more study; whether outsourcing in general benefits the American people or just the corporates or both. Of course, if the Iraqi resistance calms down, and Bush is able to get cheap oil from Iraq --- which was his main aim anyway --- then it may be good for the American economy. Sir, you have no idea what you're talking about. Spending an extra $100 billion a year does not make oil cheaper. Hey, if you get oil fields free, spending that much money could make economic sense. Certainly it does not make any legal sense (and I am talking international law here), and certainly not moral sense. And, people say they voted Bush on moral basis? People's morals must be in their knees, man. I think it was Gore Vidal who said : Half the Americans dont read newspapers. Half don't vote. Hope it is the same half. Cheers, Samir Peter D'Souza
[Goanet]Re: Goan books, writers, assumptions et al
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## I fully agree with you; congrats need not be posted in public. Dr. Colaco's post however is also factually wrong, as I have posted congratualatory post to Ben Antao on Goanet. It can be looked up in the archives. regards, Samir Kelekar Dr. Colaco's message that we all buy more books by Goan authors began with an attack on Goan authors who did not publicly congratulate Ben Antao on Goanet. I objected to it when he first made that attack and I object to it now. Private messages---including private messages of congratulation---do not belong on Goanet. Personal attacks also do not belong on this forum. Some writers were attacked by name, in that same message that urged us to buy more books. I found that attack to be equally objectionable. My focus was on those parts of Dr. Colaco's message that I felt crossed the line. My focus was not on the messenger. I do not know Dr. Colaco, and have no animosity whatever towards him. Regards, Victor
[Goanet]Matka only hope for the young in Goa today
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## When we have a govt. that spends Rs. 150 crore on useless IFFI, when the govt's main goal is to buy MLAs by paying money, when the govt. only wants boot-lickers who are incompetent as IT secretaries/advisors, the young will be disillusioned. They have no other choice but to either leave Goa or to take to matka, alcoholism. On top of that, we have some others saying that the govt. is doing well. What a joke? In today's Goa, you got to necessarily boot-lick to get anything out of the govt. It does not depend on your merit. Any person with some semblance of merit and self-esteem has no hope in Goa. Matka is probably their only hope. I wont be surprised if young gals take to prostitution. I expect this trend to increase even more. regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]The US elections: parallels to India and the next 4 years
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## It is quite interesting that despite the bad economy, people losing jobs, people have voted for Bush. Does this mean that people vote based on their religious feelings, so-called moral issues, more than their economic concerns? Or is that the terrorism threat --- the fear factor --- has made Bush garner votes? Or is it that Kerry was not perceived as a strong enough candidate? With $100 billion a year in war costs, if Iraqi resistance continues, and with jobs going to places like India, the future for the US lay people appears not so bright. Or is it that people do have jobs in the US and this outsourcing/loss of jobs is just a media hype? Of course, if the Iraqi resistance calms down, and Bush is able to get cheap oil from Iraq --- which was his main aim anyway --- then it may be good for the American economy. regards, Samir Kelekar --- While it is personally disheartening to see Bush win, the people have spoken and their wishes need to be respected. Unlike the last time, Bush definitely has a stronger mandate this time. The comparison with the recent Indian elections is very interesting. In India, it was the poorer, less educated rural majority that was instrumental in getting the BJP out. However, it was based purely on economic reasons. In the US as well, it was the rural vote that got Bush back into power. Most analysts, and in particular the chief Republican strategist Karl Rove attribute this to moral issues. It seems that the large increase in the participation of the religious right helped more than neutralize any gains made by the Democrats. It is clear that Bush did a very good job in securing the fanatical support of the bible belt folks during his term ala his polarizing policies during the last four years. The big question of course is where do we go from here?
[Goanet]Re: Tony Martin's new book on Matka: your views please
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## In a place like Goa which is starved of opportunities, it is no surprise that young people resort to gambling, matka, alcoholism etc. The way to solve the problem is not by some moralistic preaching but by creating better opportunities for young people. Instead of creating opportunities, see what the govt. is doing. Paying huge money to buy MLAs; keeping some boot-lickers who are completely incompetent on pay rolls as IT secretary/advisors etc. Spending Rs. 150 crores on some useless buildings for IFFI. What do you expect young people to do? I won't be surprised if they take to guns as in Kashmir. In fact, our Goans are too much of a tolerant people and so they destroy themselves through matka and alcoholism. And I wont be surprised if young gals take to prostitution for some quick money. regards, Samir Kelekar Do you believe that Rationality notwithstanding man is a product of circumstances? Do you think that gamblers, alcoholics and drug addicts become what they become out of choice?
[Goanet]Goa's fun image....
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## btw I was not the only person who heard this story. There was another friend of mine present; what I will try to do if the original narrater retracts/some other problem is there is to put anyone interested in finding out if it is a canard or not, in touch with this other guy. He is on email. regards, Samir Kelekar I think you should apologise for posting such a carnard...or name your 'source' of such libel. Would it be fair for me to say that according to a reliable source one of Samir's cousins was a part of this group?
[Goanet]Goa's IT policy
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## PANAJI: Goa government has decided to relax domicile requirements for children of employees in IT and IT enabled services (ITES) working in the state in order to ensure growth of the industry. Assuming that companies are going to come to Goa, one needs to ensure that Goans are employed first. There are hundreds of IT graduates coming out of Goan colleges. They should be considered for jobs first. Also, ITES does not need highly skilled people. There are enough people in Goa who are suited for ITES jobs. Yes, you may need a few very skilled people to be brought in, but let it not be that the only Goan thing that these industries have is the land, and free power. ickup. No, we are not late in boarding the IT bus, he said. Hey, what a joke. We should have been at the level we are there, at least 10 years back if not more. We are definitely at least ten years late. First there must be at least an admission of this fact. Then, we can talk of catching up. But if there is no admission of the fact even, we can well imagine what is the vision for IT in Goa is. We now have two companies, ten years later we will have 4 companies. he government says the salubrious clime of the state with its scenic beauty would surely enable it to come out tops among the rival states where the IT ndustry is a force to reckon with. I had heard more or less the same line in the Goan IT policy of 1997. he much-awaited IT policy was announced by the minister, Francisco de Souza Tuesday that seeks to bring the state on par with states where sops to the industry has enabled its promotion and growth. Sales tax exemptions for IT/ITES industry to continue in force for five years, land at institutional rates for large investments and 20 top IT companies, stamp duty reimbursement and preferential power tariff are among the several incentives. The BPO sector too has a good opportunity as the Central government has amended the telecom policy following several representation made to the Central government. The amended policy has virtually done away with the discrimination on the rates of lease lines, says advisor, IT and nvironment to the state government, Anupam Shroff. IT is one industry which is not just about taking care of the top 20 companies. Bangalore has hundreds of companies, most of which are small. It is these small companies which require more help from the govt. The big companies have the money to take care of themselves. What the small companies require is good and cheap power, good internet connectivity etc. I wonder if these things are taken care of in the policy. And the most important thing is not the IT policy, but serious effort to go and bring companies in. Help them set up shop; help them get the staff; make sure that they are happy, or else they might shut shop soon and go back. Wonder any thought has been given to the above. And wonder if Goa has people with expertise to know about the issues involved. Btw this is the fifth or sixth IT policy of the Goa Govt since 1997. First was during Willy's or Rane's time as CM. second Luisinho's time; third Sardinha. fourth Khalap, and this is the fifth. It could even be sixth. Further, Goa govt. has spent enough of our money to come to this stage. We have seen money being paid to the big 5 consultants for coming up with a vision (I wonder what the paper on which it was printed is being used for currently); now, we have these IT secretaries, IT advisor who are hogging money unnecessarily. My frank opinion: Goa Govt. ought to stick to IT (as in Income tax). IT (as in information technology) is not for it. regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Goa's fun image....
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## This is what I heard from a reliable source. At a recent male-only retreat by an Indian company in a renowned 5 start hotel, 100 male members were supplied with 100 young girls as companions for the evening. The girls turned out to be local teenage girls from the surrounding villages. (Hey, way to make easy money; takes care of the shopping needs of the teenage girls). I think it is time Goa legalize and regulate prostitution. regards, Samir Kelekar Headline: Goa's 'fun' image in no danger Byline: An attempt to present the 'other' face of Goa did not gather support from the Union Minister of Tourism, Renuka Chowdhary at the Goa Mahotsav held in Delhi. BY DEVIKA SEQUEIRA Source: Deccan Herald. 30 October 2004 at: http://67.18.142.206/deccanherald/oct302004/n8.asp Full text: Mr Dessai's characteristic remarks were not the only glitch at the poorly organised Delhi event. An 80-member dance troupe that travelled all the way from Goa ended up performing before an audience of barely 20 persons at the Siri Fort Auditorium as Goan officials had forgotten to send out invitations. The Susegado tag rarely leaves Goans even if they travel outside Goa. Another disaster is around the corner. Hope i am proved wrong this time:-) Seb
[Goanet]Re: a must read before you vote
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Forget all the rhetoric and focus on some bottom line issues regarding next Tuesday: 1. If you are an NRI, think about John Kerry's allegiance to the labor unions and what he has promised to do to eliminate outsourcing, and what this will mean for India. If you agree that outsourcing is bad, vote for John Kerry Good one. Let me add a few things. If you are a supporter of Hitler, vote for Bush. If you are in support of lying, and turning black into white, vote Bush. If you can't figure out the difference between Sadaam and Osama, vote Bush. If you dont respect international laws or the UN, vote Bush. If you dont care about the economy going into further debt, vote Bush. regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Re: Vote kerry and save the world
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## when we already have a good economy, 5.4% unemployment, tax cuts, liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq, etc., etc??? What liberation are you talking about? Who are you an outside party to liberate Iraq? Anyway, the Americans are paying for it when they are getting killed like sardinhes, by terrorists. I mean, Osama can cool-ly relax in his cave and enjoy the fun. Have Bush and have more of the above Kerry may not be the best, but this vote is not so much about Kerry but about stopping America's raw aggression in Iraq. And who knows what more will follow if Bush is elected? This is not to mention that some important issues that would benefit humankind (not just the US) are not funded by Bush; notably stem cell research. regards, Samir
[Goanet]Happy Karnataka Rajyotsava to all
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Karnataka --- our neighboring state --- (I think earlier Mysore) was formed today November 1. Today is Karnataka Rajyotsava day. Karnataka especially Bangalore leads India in its new rejunevation leading the way in the IT field. The boom in IT has created tremendous wealth creating lots of jobs and improving the life styles of a lot of people. Let us celebrate and salute Karnataka today. Jai Hind! regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Iffy angle on IFFI
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Philip Thomas writes: Where in heaven's name was there a need to go at IFFI/Exposition with hammer and tongs? If you ask me, first priority should have been given to an established event like Exposition considering the Goan people's sentiments and the huge numbers involved. As long as Parrikar can get away with murder, he will get away. In this respect, he is no different from Bush. He has such a big ego that clouds his perspective. And boot-lickers who are weak, who look up to a God or an allmighty or a big power will keep sucking up to him. It is no wonder we see boot-licking articles from the Middle East. The only way to change things is to make sure that people such as Parrikar are not elected. In this respect, all support needs to go to GoanObserver. May be Goan observer needs to be funded to make sure it is alive, and keeps flourishing. Perhaps we need Konkani and Marathi editions of GoanObserver. The point is: to have an alternate for BJP, money is needed. Given that the Congress lot are also selfish (we have seen that Isidore got elected despite being a unanimous candidate), we need others to raise the money. Rajan Narayan clearly stated the reasons: the narrow minded Congressmen were not willing to dip into their own pockets. NRIs who are well off have to put their money where their mouth is and support entities such as Goan Observer, Lok Shakti etc. Only then can possibilities of change be seen. regards, Samir Kelekar Bangalore
[Goanet]Big egoes may work, but are not the solution to the problem
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Let me explain my stand clearly on the issues involved leaving alone personalities. Parrikar's constituents are the people. It is the people who vote for the govt. Fortunately or unfortunately, people are not powerful enough. They get influenced by the media, money-power, what not. We have seen this in recent elections. Tourism is important. Tourism I am told gives thousands of crores or so to the exchequer. (The exact figure may vary). Obviously, the tourist sector needs to be developed. But there are ways in which it has to be developed; also note that this money comes in taxes, but the real money that is the profits hardly goes to the Goans as most of the big tourist hotels are owned by non-Goans. What do the Goan people get? They are supposed to get the tax money. But do they get it? We see that this money that is coming in is now spent in things such as IFFI which again is going to the outsiders. What do the people get? Yes, they are getting some freebies such as Rs. 500 pension for the elderly, free computers via the cyber age scheme etc, may be some money spent on roads etc. But is that enough? Also, will that empower them? The answer to both the questions is no. Parrikar has to look at the above factors, and not just about filling the coffers of his party and his cronies. On the other hand, his philosophy seems to be come next elections buy the electorate by offering some money. The electorate, since they are getting impoverished day by day, will fall for it. We have seen it in Poiginuim; a promise of payment for road repair is perhaps good enough for those people who havent seen their road repaired for last umpteen years. The question is: do Goans get what they deserve? Who will tell them that they deserve better? That they deserve better than sending their young boys to paedophiles. That they deserve better than the Rs. 500 pension. It is upto us and the media. Today for instance there is a huge IT revolution that is taking place. That is empowering the people. Are Goans getting a piece of the pie of that? Does it take so much to give them a piece of the pie? There are 400 very bright kids on Goa's Linux user's group who have no other way but to come to Bangalore and look for jobs. Dont they deserve the first chance rather than companies from outside Goa who are getting these huge contracts? It is as simple as that, but Parrikar due to his big ego will not acknowledge it. Day by day, his ego is becoming bigger and bigger. Day by day, he is surrounding himself with his cronies. If an intelligent person sends him an email stating where things are going wrong, he does not like it. regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]IFFI and sponsored news item
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Is this news item also sponsored out of the Rs. 150 crores sanctioned? Dear Gaspar, The above comment from Samirbab is most unfortunate and pointedly unfair. There are many gold diggers amongst us - but NOT Gaspar Almeida. While I do not have a logical understanding of the reasons of Gaspar's continuous and quite unreasonable support of Parrikar, I have not meant that Gaspar is being paid for posting this news item. However, what I am asking is whether the news item could be generated out of a PR agency (some news media) which is sponsored through this Rs. 150 crores. regards, Samir Ican safely say that I KNOW of the selflessness with which Gaspar Almeida has helped Goans especially in the aftermath of the 1991 invasion of Kuwait. I don't know Gasparbab, IF any of those Goans even said Thank You to you - in return. But life is such. Kam Zalem, Voiz Melo, or as the Marathi saying goes Kama purta Mama. Even today Gasparbab, I KNOW that you personally assist MANY a Goan business in Goa - without expecting or receiving a single cent in return. If there are ANY of those on this net, I hope they will write in and confirm this. Having said that, Gasparbab, Samir is one of the good guys. He makes a very good point. I agree with his concerns. Further to the concerns raised, I ask (yes, from half way around the globe): WAS this 150 crore IFFI project THE priority for Goa at this point and time? Do we have clean bedsheets in our hospitals? Do Goans deserve clean bedsheets in their hospitals? Are all the IMPORTANT machines working at GMC? Are the roads of Goa fixed up to safety standards? Do Goa's street lights provide adequate illumination? Are the schools OK? Are Goa's poor and elderly taken care of? Are the Goa Freedom Fighters (only the real ones...not those anarchists or these NEW 2004 emotional Freedom Fighters ) provided for? etc etc These are genuine concerns. Perhaps the Goa patrakars have been asking these questions ad nauseam. If so, Do forgive my queries from afar. BTW: I went on to the Panjim.net site. You said that it did contain some (was it 1997-8) episodes of A View from Afar. Could you please post the url for those posts? It will be interesting to see what was said a good 6 or so years ago. good wishes c please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]Vote Kerry and save the world
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## To the US citizens among GoaNet members: This is a fervent appeal. You have an important and sacred duty in the next few days. It is to save the world. A vote for Kerry will save the world; a vote for Bush will I am afraid take us to a further mess. This election is not just about America; we have seen in the last four years what a mess of the world,power gone into wrong hands can do. If only for the few votes in Florida that were probably not counted properly, thousands of lives would have been saved. Let it not happen again. Trusting that you will do the needful, regards, Samir Kelekar Bangalore
[Goanet]The iffi angle on IFFI
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## The Iffi thing remidns me of Marie Antonnette who when told that people dont have bread asked: why dont they eat cake? It is ironical that some people based in the Middle East are boot-licking Parrikar. I have a feeling this camoflagued news item is sponsored by the 15 crores of your and my money. The best thing that the Goan people can do is to boycott IFFI. As to the so called long-term view that tourism will benefit, there is no need to spruce up Panjim, on which lot of people's money has already been spent. On the contrary there is need to arrest paedophiles rather than asking them nicely to leave the country. The Parrikar govt. encourages paedophiles and such nefarious activities. We all know how a pimp is made a minister in the Parrikar govt. It wont be long before the only way to earn money for Goans will be to send their daughters to the whore-house. I wonder if that is the long-term development of tourism that this news item is talking about. regards, Samir Kelekar RE: GOAN VOICES' ON IFFI MAKES CM HERO No.1 OF OCT 28 The people of Panjim seem to be masochists to tolerate the wholesale upheaval being wrought by last minute IFFI and Exposition preparations all the way from Old Goa/Ribandar to Miramar and Dona Paula. It really didnt have to be done this crude and heavy handed way. Also according to all accounts top level governmental attention has been unnecessarily and unashamedly been diverted from other pressing needs of the State. Sure, a lot of people optimistically believe that things will be lovely in Panjim when all the work is over. But what guarantee is there that the powers that be wont come up with some new harebrained ideas to keep things from ever settling down? And who knows what the quality of the rush infrastructure jobs will really be like in the next monsoon or two. There may be enough re-work to keep things topsy-turvy in perpetuity. Heaven help us Panjimites is all I can say.
[Goanet]Writer Ben Antao elected President....
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## I would like to join in wishing Ben my heartiest congratulations. May your tenure be full of success. regards, Samir Kelekar Congratulations to writer Ben Antao, our own Goan author from Toronto, who was elected President of Canadian Authors Association, Toronto Branch last week. Ben keeps himself busy these days writing regularly for The Goan
[Goanet]Matka : the market view
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## One thing is certain; gambling whether be it the casino kind or the matka kind always has market. I wonder why it is so. Perhaps, it is the natural human tendency to want to make money without working or doing anything, and the tendency is so strong that people go for it even at the cost of losing logic. I guess it is the same with prostitution (sex). There is always market for it. Wouldnt it be a great society where all of the above is freely available but people dont go overboard? regards, Samir Kelekar Fred writes (regarding if I can post matka numbers on GoaNet): Please check with your lawyer and get back ;-) Cecil: Since I don't have a lawyer of my own I guess Aires Rodrigues could give us a opinion on this.
[Goanet]Stop poaching or else house will go....
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## ## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## In the Indian Express of date: http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=57632 PANAJI, OCTOBER 24: Goa Governor S.C. Jamir today threatened to dissolve the Assembly if the BJP government in the state continues to poach on Opposition MLAs. As I have said before, resignation of an MLA from a party, and then fighting elections on another party is the right way to go about things. It is not a violation of anti-defection or any other law. yes, the exchange of money is illegal. Opposition should try to get evidence of that; in fact, if they can get evidence of even money distributed prior to elections among voters, they may be able to get the election countermanded, I think. I wonder why the opposition did not follow that strategy. If the governor dismisses the house due to poaching, I doubt if the court will uphold it. regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Popatlal and Shiv Khera
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Today, if Shiv Khera says (while he is in Goa)that he is going to sue me for using an anecdote from his book I will tell him to go to the court or go to hell and meet the devil. My knowledge is f** my knowldge Dont worry Shiv Khera wont sue you. He has probably lifted the story from somewhere else, he he he. Shiv Khera is definitely gifted, a gifted thief!!! regards, Samir PS: Do you notice any difference between taking a story and taking 34 stories from a single book and not acknowledging any of them? and I don't maintain a bibliography of how I get it -- reading, listening or hearing. Of course I am aware that my book would certainly sound more authentic with a neat bibliography as in a ph d thesis. But Naked Goa is Naked Goa. Just musings of a troubled soul. (Hey Graceful I will offer you a free copy of Naked Goa -- if you tell me where I can post it) With best regards and without malice. Tony Martin Ref: Goanet digest, Vol 1 #1576 - 13 msgs Message: 9 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:47:41 +0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]What is Shiv Khera going to teach? Plagiarism ? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re: The lighter side
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## . 2. When NASA began the launch of astronauts into space, they found out that the pens wouldn't work at zero gravity (Ink won't flow down to the writing surface).In order to solve this problem, it took them one decade and $12 And hear this one: During a recent space flight of NASA, the rocket just wouldn't take off. Everything was arranged, all the chief guest and everyone had come, and here the rocket is not taking off. There was panic in the NASA camp. They didnt know what to do. At this time, from the crowd, came a Goan guy who was on an H-1 visa doing some programming work for NASA. The NASA director first ignored him thinking what this Java programmer can do. But then the Goan guy insisted he can solve the problem of why NASA rocket is not taking off. Finally, after much deliberations among the team, and more out of sheer helplessness and to save his face, the NASA director decided to give this guy a chance. After all, the rocket was not taking off and all efforts by NASA engineers were in vain. So, they all huddled in one corner and let the Java programmer speak. After some thought, the Java programmer told the director that the rocket needs to be tilted to about 45 degrees for the take-off. No one believed him; but what to do? There was no choice; the rocket was anyway not taking off and NASA's reputation was at stake. Besides, the whole show was live on national TV. So, they agreed to do as the Java Programmer wanted. The shuttle was tilted to 45 degrees as per our man's wishes and every one waited with bated breath. 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.. and take off...and to everyone's surprise fumes started coming off, and zoom, the rocket did take off. Everyone was completed zapped. A Goan Java programmer had saved NASA's day, and perhaps the NASA director's job too. The TV crew -- ABC, NBC, what not --- all gathered round our Java programmer. Asked him how he knew this. Our man thought for a while and responded: it is as simple as this. In Goa, when our scooter doesn't start, we tilt it by 45 degrees, and start it! Cheers, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]What is Shiv Khera going to teach? Plagiarism ?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## NRI PLANS TO OPEN MANAGEMENT SCHOOL: Shiv Khera, the founder of qualified Learning Systems Inc, USA, and much sought after speaker, intends to set up a management school in Goa. He said most of the management schools of the day just churn out degree holders, and hence, his institute will be devoted towards training youth to be good leaders rather than just offer degrees in management, Khera said at a press conference in Panjim. (H) http://www.pressbox.co.uk/Detailed/15945.html Shiv Khera - You Can Steal and Win Added : (Mon Jul 19 2004) Shiv Khera You Can Steal Win An author and retired civil servant takes up cudgels with do-it-yourself guru Shiv Khera. Accuses him of blatant plagiarism, settles for lakhs. It was a flattering offer for the retired railway official and author of two small forgotten books when management guru and million-copies-selling author Shiv Khera invited him to work together last month. Just what he meant by working together struck 70-year-old Amrit Lal only when he was out of Khera's posh condominium in Singapore. Flicking through the book Khera had given him as a parting gift, Freedom is Not Free, Lal discovered sentence after sentence lifted from his own book, IndiaEnough is Enough, published nine years ago. It was like seeing a priest coming out of a whorehouse, is how Lal decribes his sense of outrage at the lift and shift robbery by a man whose self-improvement bestsellers like You Can Win and Living With Honour have been translated into four Asian and nine Indian languages. All night, Lal scoured through the 223-page book Khera had gifted him with a personal inscription To Mr Amrit LalLet's together make the country proud. He discovered, to his rage, at least 34 instances where sentences and even paragraphs from his own booka 177-page crusade against corruptionhad been lifted almost verbatim. Even an acronym I had coined, RNI, he has stolen as a subtitle. I had used a verse by Iqbal in my book which Khushwant Singh translated specially for me into English. Khera passes it off as his own. Nor is it a coincidence that the only other poem I used in my bookJoshua Holland's God, Give Us Menappears in his book as well, again without acknowledging the poet. Lal confronted Khera with the evidence he had dug up. In a letter he e-mailed the next day, Lal wrote: I went through your book Freedom Is Not Free at one go and find surfeit of scissor-and-paste work from my book India: Enough is Enough. I give below page wise, para wise account of lift-and-shift craftsmanship. (He gives 34 instances). Khera's response to this missive was silence. Lal then dashed off an e-mail to Khera's publisher, Rajiv Beri of Macmillans. That too did not draw a response. A week later, Lal followed it up with another letter to Beri claiming that even the title of Khera's book had been lifted from that written by Ralph M. Hockley (Pub. Brockton, Copyright: Jan 31, 2001ISBN 188791840xx). Clearly he meant business. Beri's reply came almost instantaneously: Dear Mr Lal, On receipt of your earlier email I had contacted my Delhi editorial to look into this as it came as a complete surprise. I am also forwarding your mail to Mr Khera who as the author is best equipped to respond to you. With the publisher washing his hands of the affair, (when contacted, There is no copyright on either titles or sentences unless you patent them. Borrowing to create a new work is not an infringement of copyright. Shiv Khera no one from Macmillan was prepared to comment), Khera had no option but to talk to his tormentor. Says Lal: He called me on June 18, saying how much he respected me and that I was like his elder brother. All he'd say about my letter was: what do you advise me to do? He offered to acknowledge the facts and give credit for taking the lines from my book. But I kept telling him I wanted a line-by-line reply to my letter. Khera agreed to reply to Lal's allegations within six days. It took 12 days, and it was what Lal calls a lawyered document. In the letter, CCed to his publisher, Khera categorically denies Lal's allegation of plagiarism, saying, as a matter of habit, I make notes of ideas and concepts that come to mind, which can be developed further Many examples, and anecdotes are the result of a collection from v arious sources over the last 25 years. Unfortunately, the sources were not always noted or available; hence it became impractical to provide an accurate acknowledgement. But there was a small conciliatory gesture to Lal: Having said so, I appreciate your having
[Goanet]Bike Maintenance and Bangalore gals
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Btw, Bangalore has a bike repair shop that is exclusively manned by gals. Talk about gals not having the mechanical sense. Did someone say Goa was progressive? Cecil, you got to come to Bangalore to meet the real gals -- of course, that is if you are man enough. :-) Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Driving and Bangalore gals
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cecil: Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! I don't mind being taken for a ride. 1) Like Gabe I can imbibe more at social functions 2) Leaves my hands free --- Cecil, Now that we are on the topic of driving and women, I would like to categorically state that women in Bangalore drive very fast on their two-wheelers. They dont follow rules, many a times they cut red lights too. Lots of them have died; once two girls got crushed under a truck (one of them survived) when they cut a traffic light early morning. All they were doing was : the elder sister was dropping the younger sister for a school picnic. The kinetic Honda and scooty alike are terrible inventions. They themselves must have been involved in more deaths; only probably Maruti 800 can compare with them. Go on a Bangalore road at decent speeds and there will be gals overtaking you left right and center. If guys are forced to speed up, it is only because they can't bear women overtaking them and so are catching up. Btw, hardly any gal is in a tight-skirt here; all are comfortably dressed in a salwar kameej and also have a helmet that covers their face appropriately. regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]Re: GIs ! Welcome to Goa!!!
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## How come this post was let in and not moderated? The language of selling mothers can only come from a degraded and demented individual. I am amazed the Goanet administrators think that this post is decent enough to be let in. regards, Samir Kelekar Hello Kelekar !! Seems you have joined the fashionable bandwagon of the American Bashing hypocrites who love to abuse the west , but will not even hesitate to sell their mothers to get a green card to the US . All you RSS sympathisers can do is talk against America and the west , while sending your children to the Us for further studies , shame on you !!! Its a pity the Portuguese did not handover Goa to the Americans as a Naval cum airbase immediately after they joined NATO in 1948 , then it would have been an entirely different ball game . Anyway s you guys cherish your Azadi while it lasts !! cheers ! Dominic
[Goanet]IFFI schedule?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## I received the following inquiry. Can anyone help? Thanks, Samir Does anyone from the goan group know if there is downloadable IFFI (film festival)schedule for December 2004 available on the net?
