[Goanet] RE: Viewpoint on Dabolim airport

2005-10-04 Thread Philip Thomas
<... not counting either that the Indian Navy holds on
to most of the daylight hours for its own exercises
.. and that the Indian Navy expects the charters to
land at Dabolim in the middle of the night too ...>[Gabriel
Figueiredo]

The Navy's "no fly" rule is (effectively) for 4.5 hours per day. This takes
out 18 planes (or 36 flights) reducing the total of 48 to 30 planes (or 60
flights) per day. This may not be too far from the estimated daily average
of 20 planes (actuals). Some allowance may have to be given for slow starts
and early shut downs etc by AAI. But Gilbert's point about "where's the
beef?" may be valid. A lot depends on the validity of his 15 minute per
plane assumption.




Re: [Goanet] RE: Viewpoint on Dabolim airport

2005-10-03 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

--- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Philip,
> I take it that you expected to hear that 12 hours
> multiplied by 4 (landings 
> per hour) should result in 48 landings. Of course,
> there would be take-offs 
> which are not included in the calculation.
> Cornel

... not counting either that the Indian Navy holds on
to most of the daylight hours for its own exercises
...

... and that the Indian Navy expects the charters to
land at Dabolim in the middle of the night too ...

Cheers,

Gabriel.



 
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Re: [Goanet] RE: Viewpoint on Dabolim airport

2005-10-03 Thread cornel

Philip,
I take it that you expected to hear that 12 hours multiplied by 4 (landings 
per hour) should result in 48 landings. Of course, there would be take-offs 
which are not included in the calculation.

Cornel
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Subject: [Goanet] RE: Viewpoint on Dabolim airport



between 6 AM and 6 PM. My relatives who have flown into Goa call the 
airport

much, much better than before.
So what is the big problem with Dabolim? Please respond with facts rather
than opinions>[Gilbert Lawrence, Sept]

Is there some "new math" in this calculation? What is the explanation for
the author's result? Anybody have a clue?








Re: [Goanet] RE: Viewpoint on Dabolim airport

2005-10-03 Thread Seb dc
Don't hammer yourself on this one Philip. On another issue, I also read that 
a short span of time is anything between 60 to 65 years :-)


hAVE a nICE dAY!!
Rgds/Seb


- Original Message - 
From: "Philip Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>




between 6 AM and 6 PM. My relatives who have flown into Goa call the 
airport

much, much better than before.
So what is the big problem with Dabolim? Please respond with facts rather
than opinions>[Gilbert Lawrence, Sept]

Is there some "new math" in this calculation? What is the explanation for
the author's result? Anybody have a clue?







[Goanet] RE: Viewpoint on Dabolim airport

2005-10-03 Thread Philip Thomas
[Gilbert Lawrence, Sept]

Is there some "new math" in this calculation? What is the explanation for
the author's result? Anybody have a clue?



[Goanet] Re: VIEWPOINT on Dabolim Airport - 1

2005-09-22 Thread Frederick Noronha (FN)
In India, there are hardly any night-time domestic flights -- except a
very few connecting the big metros. This probably means the navy is
willing to accomodate the tourism lobby, ruin the sleep hours of the
state, but not stop their ludicrous peak-morning naval flights which
disrupts the continuous working of the airport and bottlenecks all the
flights to a narrow afternoon slot.

The navy and the Airport Authorites of India have been blaming each
other for inefficiencies of the airport (mostly the AAI getting blamed).
But for the traveller entering Dabolim, life remains trying.

Haven't we seen this airport repeately getting crores of rupees for
renovation which hardly reflects in the quality of work there? Also,
isn't this one of the few airports in the world which doesn't have a
public bus service connected to it? FN

On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 12:46 +0530, Goa Desc wrote:
> The naval authorities have said that though the Dabolim
> airport was  available for operations, it has not been utilised
> by the operators of scheduled  and chartered flights after 6 p.m
> adding that there was ample scope for  accommodating large
> number of commercial flights in the time slot from
> 6 p.m to  6 a.m.




[Goanet] RE: VIEWPOINT on Dabolim Airport - 1

2005-09-22 Thread Philip Thomas
[Goadesc]

A clear misrepresentation of the situation. Mopa is not a recent
development. It emerged almost 10 years ago, possibly under Luizinho
Faleiro's administration. He is known to have almost given up at the time on
getting the Navy to shift from Dabolim.

There was also the precedent of Kochi at that time where the Kerala state
government had to think of other options when the Navy dug in its heels at
the Island airport (which could not be scaled up anway as Dabolim could be).

CIAL at Kochi has since gone on to become the only example of a greenfield
airport in India. It has also become the (misleading in my opinion in the
low cost aviation era) model for greenfield airports with private
participation where existing airports have to close down when the new one is
commissioned. This has happened in Bangalore and Hyderabad and may happen in
Pune. The Navy is probably waiting for this turn of events at Dabolim in the
wake of Mopa.

Pointing fingers at the central government is interesting. The latter has
yet to take a view about Dabolim, post-Mopa, despite Margaret Alva's
statement as a party functionary of the Congress. There have been piece meal
press reports however about the cosy relations between GOG and the Navy vis
a vis both Mopa and Dabolim airports. No inside story about this equation
has emerged so far. A recent HERALD article on Navy House, Vasco,  seems to
very obliquely suggest that the Navy is the (invisible) power  (e.g. "White
House"!) behind  GOG! Worth pondering.