Re: [Goanet] Re: Irrelevant topics, and Goans and African Americans.........................
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For Mario to refer to socialist meccas in Europe indicates that he hasn't got a clue how capitalist are the countries he refers to. Mario responds: Cornel, Only a committed socialist like yourself would consider Holland and France to be capitalist countries. If they were they wouldn't experience the economic stagnation they are experiencing.
[Goanet] Re: Irrelevant topics, and Goans and African Americans
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 02:19 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is Islam being denigrated here with this derogatory association of Mecca with socialism and the ghettos? Ghettosm, yes, that's an unfortunate association. But associating it with socialism is clearly a compliment to Mecca, however unintended! Cheers, Santosh -- Question everything - Karl Marx
Re: [Goanet] Re: Irrelevant topics, and Goans and African Americans.........................
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- For Mario to refer to socialist meccas in Europe indicates that he hasn't got a clue how capitalist are the countries he refers to. Cornel - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Re: Irrelevant topics,and Goans and African Americans. -- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the meantime, I wish Victor or some other knee-jerk critic of the US would spare a few minutes considering what is currently going on with minorities in the socialist meccas of Holland and France, not to mention the ghettoes of Britain. Why is Islam being denigrated here with this derogatory association of Mecca with socialism and the ghettos? Mario replies: It looks like Santosh is trying to obfuscate the point I was making by a misleading and over-sensitive interpretation of an English figure of speech I used, leading to a false allegation that I was denigrating Islam. Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of colloquial English would know that there was no reference to religion or to Mecca, the center of the Islamic religion, in my post under reference. I did not use the word Mecca - with a capital M. Thus Mecca was not being denigrated as Santosh has falsely claimed. I was referring to socialist meccas, which, in English would mean major centers of socialism. In the meantime, Santosh apparently has nothing to say about the plight of minorities in the socialist meccas of Holland and France, which was what I had referred to in my post.
Re: [Goanet] Re: Irrelevant topics, and Goans and African Americans.........................
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the meantime, I wish Victor or some other knee-jerk critic of the US would spare a few minutes considering what is currently going on with minorities in the socialist meccas of Holland and France, not to mention the ghettoes of Britain. Why is Islam being denigrated here with this derogatory association of Mecca with socialism and the ghettos? Mario replies: It looks like Santosh is trying to obfuscate the point I was making by a misleading and over-sensitive interpretation of an English figure of speech I used, leading to a false allegation that I was denigrating Islam. Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of colloquial English would know that there was no reference to religion or to Mecca, the center of the Islamic religion, in my post under reference. I did not use the word Mecca - with a capital M. Thus Mecca was not being denigrated as Santosh has falsely claimed. I was referring to socialist meccas, which, in English would mean major centers of socialism. In the meantime, Santosh apparently has nothing to say about the plight of minorities in the socialist meccas of Holland and France, which was what I had referred to in my post.
Re: [Goanet] Re: Irrelevant topics, and Goans and African Americans.........................
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the meantime, I wish Victor or some other knee-jerk critic of the US would spare a few minutes considering what is currently going on with minorities in the socialist meccas of Holland and France, not to mention the ghettoes of Britain. Why is Islam being denigrated here with this derogatory association of Mecca with socialism and the ghettos? Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] Re: Irrelevant topics, and Goans and African Americans.........................
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- --- Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the past week, you have thrown this number at us at least 3 times. You don't have to regurgitate info...I mean repeating the same stuff does not validate the message. Mario replies: Bosco, when the same false criticisms are repeated over and over again, I have no choice but to repeat the same answer. The figure comes from the US Census Bureau. If you look up one of my responses to Victor Rangel-Ribeiro, who seems bent on believing that African Americans are downtrodden in America, I had provided a link to the source of this information, as well as a report and an article about the remarkable and admirable progress of African Americans. Victor is now threatening to provide us with more information about the drastic plight of African Americans, which will surely be quite easy to rebutt. Anyone who has visited the US can see for themselves that even those considered poor live quite well by world standards. In the meantime, I wish Victor or some other knee-jerk critic of the US would spare a few minutes considering what is currently going on with minorities in the socialist meccas of Holland and France, not to mention the ghettoes of Britain.
[Goanet] Re: Irrelevant topics, and Goans and African Americans.........................
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- Mario, In the past week, you have thrown this number at us at least 3 times. You don't have to regurgitate info...I mean repeating the same stuff does not validate the message. What is the source of this quote below ? Is there a weblink you provided ? I don't want a lengthy response. I might have missed it. This thread Fists of Freedom, started off with George Pinto relaying to the rest of us about his meeting with Tommie Smith and John Carlos and how Goans in America (and I'd add people from all over the world) have benefited by their actions. Was a short message and I don't believe George's thoughts were misplaced nevertheless in the interim, we've had to endure AA History week since.:-( Best - Bosco On Thu Nov 3 09:18:16 PST 2005 Mario Goveia wrote: I find it really amusing that my admiration for and detailed statistics about the remarkable progress made by African Americans, 76% of whom are classified as middle or upper income in the very competitive environment of the USA
[Goanet] Re: Irrelevant topics, and Goans and African Americans.........................
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- Vivian D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here we go again, discussing topics totally un-related to Goa on this forum. The topic about African Americans or American Blacks may have a narrow interest among a few Goa Netters, but it is irrelevat to those of us who care about Goa first. Viva Goa ! Vivian Dear Vivian, I appreciate the point you make, but while the topic of African Americans might by itself be irrelevant to those who care about Goa first, the narrow view of African Americans expressed on this forum by Mario Goveia and a couple of others should certainly concern those of us who believe in human justice, equal rights, and fair play. I am preparing a detailed answer to the very negative views that Mario expressed. I hope that once that appears we can have a reasoned debate based on facts and logic, instead of the kind of intemperate personal attacks that mark so many of the exchanges between our members. Very best regards, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
