Re: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum
Hi Bosco Apropos your reply below, Thy Will Be Done! Cornel - Original Message - From: Bosco D'Mello RESPONSE: Sure, Cornel..I expected to hear from that quarter. You would like us to take into consideration objections from agnostics and atheists - sincere and otherwise at the expense of of believers in a God ?? Ignore them ?? Give them the short-end ?? Is it so difficult to say Thank you in our own language to end an email message?? Does it give some acute heart-burn ?? Like this discussion appears to have. Why make this a religious issue - I guess only agnostics and atheists could ?? As a Goan, tell me how do we say Thank you, Good morning, Good night, etc in Konkani. On a similar ntoe, what do we say to George Pinto, who earlier today forwarded the petition for Romi KONKNNI...uh-ohsorry George, we can't have any of itthere will be OBJECTIONS from those that support the Devnagiri script ?? If we profess so much love for Goa and our identity, etc.and all the blah- blah that we make.lets walk the talkin small stepsdiscreetly and otherwise. In no way am I taking on an angelic love of Goa, Konkani and my roots. I have my own shortcomings to deal with. And with that..Dev Bori Raat Diu !! Best - Bosco
Re: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum
Gabe, I have re-read what I wrote and see no contradictions. I only see asinine attempts by you to embarrass yourself by trying to defend the indefensible and a futile attempt to attack those who exposed you. The fact remains that the Muslim greeting was used inappropriately and incorrectly by you, as I have consistently alleged, whereas the same greeting would have been OK had it been used in it's proper form. Please read Vivian D'Souza's post on the subject to see an example of this same greeting used correctly and respectfully and thus appropriately. Salaam Aley Kum to all. --- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19/02/06, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of English would know that there is no contradiction between finding a properly spoken and respectfully used greeting acceptable and an inappropriately used one unacceptable. Mario replies: There is absolutely no air of any superiority in stating my point of view and defending my opinions, especially when I am obviously right, as I was in challenging your inappropriate and incorrect use of the Muslim greeting, as several others have pointed out. RESPONSE: Many on this forum and I believe you, thousands wouldn't... although the above two paragraphs openly contradict themselvesand anyone with even a rudimentary grasp of the English Language would see it; not you though! I trust you can now plainly see, the stupidity of trying to defend your style of writing! -- Peace be with you! Ani borem mog khor! Gabe Menezes. London, England
RE: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum
Bosco, Thanks for giving me the last word and not censoring me as some of the other moderators have occasionally done using the excuse that my response was of topic WHEREAS THE ORIGINAL POST INCREDIBLY WAS NOT. If your advice to use Dev Borem Korum had been used initially, instead of the Muslim greeting used inappropriately and incorrectly, and the incorrect usage then vehemently defended by some, this thread would have ended long ago. May it now rest in peace. However, I'm not holding my breath. --- Meuris Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well done Bosco, appreciate it v much, lets keep that Christian Faith uplifted all the time !! Claude From: Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:11:19 -0500 (Un)fortunately this thread has gone all over the place. Are we so bankrupt of issues to talk about and discuss that relate to Goa ?? All of a sudden we're experts at how people of other religious denominations greet each other. And that too in Roman script! If an email signature is the cause for such futile discussion, may I suggest to Gabe, that he sign off with Dev Borem Korum. Can we please end this unproductive discussion ? Of course, after Mario has the last word. Best - Bosco Toronto, CA _ Make your dream car a reality http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fcarpoint%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau_t=12345_r=emailtagline_m=EXT
Re: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum
On 19/02/06, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of English would know that there is no contradiction between finding a properly spoken and respectfully used greeting acceptable and an inappropriately used one unacceptable. Mario replies: There is absolutely no air of any superiority in stating my point of view and defending my opinions, especially when I am obviously right, as I was in challenging your inappropriate and incorrect use of the Muslim greeting, as several others have pointed out. RESPONSE: Many on this forum and I believe you, thousands wouldn't... although the above two paragraphs openly contradict themselvesand anyone with even a rudimentary grasp of the English Language would see it; not you though! I trust you can now plainly see, the stupidity of trying to defend your style of writing! -- Peace be with you! Ani borem mog khor! Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum
--- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16/02/06, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Anonymous, No, we cannot let it rest with your absurd comment. Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of English would know that there is no contradiction between finding a properly spoken and respectfully used greeting acceptable and an inappropriately used one unacceptable. RESPONSE: You chide others and call their posts abusive. Your postings such as the above are condescending. What gives you the right to assume an air of superiority? -- Peace be with you! Mario replies: There is absolutely no air of any superiority in stating my point of view and defending my opinions, especially when I am obviously right, as I was in challenging your inappropriate and incorrect use of the Muslim greeting, as several others have pointed out. I always accept responses that are polite, reasoned, fact-based and logical without contension, whether they agree with me or not. Obviously I would state any opposing point-of-view and defend it. I will not tolerate posts that are patently incorrect, patronising, demeaning and insulting, as was your gratuitous and incorrect use of the Muslim greeting, and as were Mr. Anonymous' - who hides behind a company name for some strange reason - insulting posts on this subject, which were responded to in kind, setting the record straight on his incorrect interpretations of what I had previously written.
[Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum
On Sat Feb 18 04:26:44 PST 2006, Cornel wrote: Hi Bosco Surely, Dev Borem Korum would be objectionable to many sincere agnostics and atheists.Why bring religion or God into this debate at all? Cornel - Original Message - From: Bosco D'Mello If an email signature is the cause for such futile discussion, may I suggest to Gabe, that he sign off with Dev Borem Korum. RESPONSE: Sure, Cornel..I expected to hear from that quarter. You would like us to take into consideration objections from agnostics and atheists - sincere and otherwise at the expense of of believers in a God ?? Ignore them ?? Give them the short-end ?? Is it so difficult to say Thank you in our own language to end an email message?? Does it give some acute heart-burn ?? Like this discussion appears to have. Why make this a religious issue - I guess only agnostics and atheists could ?? As a Goan, tell me how do we say Thank you, Good morning, Good night, etc in Konkani. On a similar ntoe, what do we say to George Pinto, who earlier today forwarded the petition for Romi KONKNNI...uh-ohsorry George, we can't have any of itthere will be OBJECTIONS from those that support the Devnagiri script ?? If we profess so much love for Goa and our identity, etc.and all the blah- blah that we make.lets walk the talkin small stepsdiscreetly and otherwise. In no way am I taking on an angelic love of Goa, Konkani and my roots. I have my own shortcomings to deal with. And with that..Dev Bori Raat Diu !! Best - Bosco
Re: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum
Dear Anonymous, I find it amusing that you cannot even disclose your name. Secondly, it was YOU who entered this debate gratuitously and defended Gabe Menezes' inappropriate and incorrect use of a Muslim greeting, and then made some absurd comments about my response being contradictory, which it was not. In this light, it is just as well that you have decided to cease and desist which will save you from further embarrassing yourself. --- Gulf International Promotions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Goveia You are just unbelieveable! I am sure you are either bored or enjoy irritating others! anyway this is the last I will say on the subject - its not worth wasting my time !! From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Anonymous, No, we cannot let it rest with your absurd comment. Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of English would know that there is no contradiction between finding a properly spoken and respectfully used greeting acceptable and an inappropriately used one unacceptable. --- Gulf International Promotions wrote: Dear Mr Goveia You appear to be contradicting yourself - anyway let the matter rest. Try and use your valuable time in finding a more worthwhile topic to discuss!!
Re: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum
Hi Bosco Surely, Dev Borem Korum would be objectionable to many sincere agnostics and atheists.Why bring religion or God into this debate at all? Cornel - Original Message - From: Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:11 AM Subject: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum (Un)fortunately this thread has gone all over the place. Are we so bankrupt of issues to talk about and discuss that relate to Goa ?? All of a sudden we're experts at how people of other religious denominations greet each other. And that too in Roman script! If an email signature is the cause for such futile discussion, may I suggest to Gabe, that he sign off with Dev Borem Korum. Can we please end this unproductive discussion ? Of course, after Mario has the last word. Best - Bosco Toronto, CA
RE: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum
Well done Bosco, appreciate it v much, lets keep that Christian Faith uplifted all the time !! Claude From: Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:11:19 -0500 (Un)fortunately this thread has gone all over the place. Are we so bankrupt of issues to talk about and discuss that relate to Goa ?? All of a sudden we're experts at how people of other religious denominations greet each other. And that too in Roman script! If an email signature is the cause for such futile discussion, may I suggest to Gabe, that he sign off with Dev Borem Korum. Can we please end this unproductive discussion ? Of course, after Mario has the last word. Best - Bosco Toronto, CA _ Make your dream car a reality http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fcarpoint%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau_t=12345_r=emailtagline_m=EXT
Re: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum
On 16/02/06, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Anonymous, No, we cannot let it rest with your absurd comment. Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of English would know that there is no contradiction between finding a properly spoken and respectfully used greeting acceptable and an inappropriately used one unacceptable. RESPONSE: You chide others and call their posts abusive. Your postings such as the above are condescending. What gives you the right to assume an air of superiority? -- Peace be with you! Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum
(Un)fortunately this thread has gone all over the place. Are we so bankrupt of issues to talk about and discuss that relate to Goa ?? All of a sudden we're experts at how people of other religious denominations greet each other. And that too in Roman script! If an email signature is the cause for such futile discussion, may I suggest to Gabe, that he sign off with Dev Borem Korum. Can we please end this unproductive discussion ? Of course, after Mario has the last word. Best - Bosco Toronto, CA
[Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum
Mr Goveia You are just unbelieveable! I am sure you are either bored or enjoy irritating others! anyway this is the last I will say on the subject - its not worth wasting my time !! From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Anonymous, No, we cannot let it rest with your absurd comment. Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of English would know that there is no contradiction between finding a properly spoken and respectfully used greeting acceptable and an inappropriately used one unacceptable. --- Gulf International Promotions wrote: Dear Mr Goveia You appear to be contradicting yourself - anyway let the matter rest. Try and use your valuable time in finding a more worthwhile topic to discuss!!
Re: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum
Dear Anonymous, No, we cannot let it rest with your absurd comment. Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of English would know that there is no contradiction between finding a properly spoken and respectfully used greeting acceptable and an inappropriately used one unacceptable. --- Gulf International Promotions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mr Goveia You appear to be contradicting yourself - anyway let the matter rest. Try and use your valuable time in finding a more worthwhile topic to discuss!! - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia Whoever you are, While I agree that any properly spoken and well-intentioned greeting is sweet, it is far from sweet, in fact downright patronizing, demeaning and insulting, when one tries to co-opt a greeting in another language and then distorts its form and usage.
Re: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum!
Dear Mr Goveia You appear to be contradicting yourself - anyway let the matter rest. Try and use your valuable time in finding a more worthwhile topic to discuss!! - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum! Whoever you are, While I agree that any properly spoken and well-intentioned greeting is sweet, it is far from sweet, in fact downright patronizing, demeaning and insulting, when one tries to co-opt a greeting in another language and then distorts its form and usage. --- Gulf International Promotions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the most absurd discussion we have come across! A greeting is just as SWEET in any form! so please drop IT! - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Salaam ali kum! Why are these Goans patronizing Muslims by trying to co-opt their greeting and then distorting it in a mindless debate about it? There is no Muslim anywhere who would use the word ali in this greeting. It's just flat out wrong.
[Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum
Dear Mr Goveia You appear to be contradicting yourself - anyway let the matter rest. Try and use your valuable time in finding a more worthwhile topic to discuss!! - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia Whoever you are, While I agree that any properly spoken and well-intentioned greeting is sweet, it is far from sweet, in fact downright patronizing, demeaning and insulting, when one tries to co-opt a greeting in another language and then distorts its form and usage.
Re: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum!
--- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My dear, I agree with you, its just that, things get out of hand when a certain someone enters the fray. I shall leave this matter alone - as you said, a greeting is a greeting however it is given and even if it is misspelt! I was just wondering, is there is a pussy behind Milad Meah Meah or a sleeping dog and the chain was pulled? Mario responds: Gabe, Things got out of hand when YOU decided to gratuitously co-opt a Muslim greeting, used it patronisingly and inappropriately, and then tried to defend your usage with some bogus claims of familiarity with the middle-east. Now you are trying to deflect attention to those of us who called you on what you were attempting to do and your misrepresentations. I was wondering, could you please restrict yourself to languages you are familiar with in future, and not get so defensive and abusive, as you are attempting in the case of Milad, when others point out what you have done?
Re: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum!
--- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13/02/06, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are these Goans patronizing Muslims by trying to co-opt their greeting and then distorting it in a mindless debate about it? There is no Muslim anywhere who would use the word ali in this greeting. It's just flat out wrong. RESPONSE: Who let the dog out?? There are no Goan Muslims? Mario replies: All Muslims, whether Goan or non-Goan, are being patronized and demeaned by the spurious use of their primary greeting. Perhaps one should stick to greetings in one's own language, if one cannot use a greeting in another language appropriately and correctly.
Re: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum!
Whoever you are, While I agree that any properly spoken and well-intentioned greeting is sweet, it is far from sweet, in fact downright patronizing, demeaning and insulting, when one tries to co-opt a greeting in another language and then distorts its form and usage. --- Gulf International Promotions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the most absurd discussion we have come across! A greeting is just as SWEET in any form! so please drop IT! - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Salaam ali kum! Why are these Goans patronizing Muslims by trying to co-opt their greeting and then distorting it in a mindless debate about it? There is no Muslim anywhere who would use the word ali in this greeting. It's just flat out wrong.
Re: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum!
On 13/02/06, Gulf International Promotions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the most absurd discussion we have come across! A greeting is just as SWEET in any form! so please drop IT! From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Salaam ali kum! Why are these Goans patronizing Muslims by trying to co-opt their greeting and then distorting it in a mindless debate about it? There is no Muslim anywhere who would use the word ali in this greeting. It's just flat out wrong. RESPONSE: My dear, I agree with you, its just that, things get out of hand when a certain someone enters the fray. I shall leave this matter alone - as you said, a greeting is a greeting however it is given and even if it is misspelt! I was just wondering, is there is a pussy behind Milad Meah Meah or a sleeping dog and the chain was pulled? -- Peace be with you! Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum!
This is the most absurd discussion we have come across! A greeting is just as SWEET in any form! so please drop IT! - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Salaam ali kum! Why are these Goans patronizing Muslims by trying to co-opt their greeting and then distorting it in a mindless debate about it? There is no Muslim anywhere who would use the word ali in this greeting. It's just flat out wrong.
Re: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum!
On 13/02/06, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are these Goans patronizing Muslims by trying to co-opt their greeting and then distorting it in a mindless debate about it? There is no Muslim anywhere who would use the word ali in this greeting. It's just flat out wrong. RESPONSE: Who let the dog out?? There are no Goan Muslims? -- Peace be with you! Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum!
Why are these Goans patronizing Muslims by trying to co-opt their greeting and then distorting it in a mindless debate about it? There is no Muslim anywhere who would use the word ali in this greeting. It's just flat out wrong. --- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cheers Gabe, may your God be with you. Is the salutation specific to a particular religion and hence, excludes others? Do Shites and Sunnis accept it equally? What about the Aga khanis? What about the non-coastal areas of East Africa or the coastal areas of West Africa? Would atheists and agnostics be offended by such a greeting? ;-) Regards, George Gabe wrote... RESPONSE: Thanks for that! I lived and worked in both Jeddah and Riyadh and very few people went through the formalityI am using the shortened version, as I prefer it; this style of greeting is widely used in the Coastal areas of East Africa, which had a strong connection with Omani Arabs. Also non Arab Muslims use this abbreviated style. Incidentally I was born and raised up in Nairobi, Kenya.
Re: [Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum!
On 09/02/06, George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cheers Gabe, may your God be with you. Is the salutation specific to a particular religion and hence, excludes others? Do Shites and Sunnis accept it equally? What about the Aga khanis? What about the non-coastal areas of East Africa or the coastal areas of West Africa? Would atheists and agnostics be offended by such a greeting? ;-) Regards, George RESPONSE: Hello George, Kenya was such a multi cultural place when I was growning up. As youngsters we mixed freely with one and all. In fact although the elders of our society had class reservations and inhibitions, we youngsters had no such inhibitions! In the old days the Coastal regions of Kenya were robbery free and stress free places, unlike Nairobi and the uplands where security was a problem. I believe the situation now in Kenya as gone from bad to worse. Coming back to your question, I believe a greeting given is usually returned in same spirit. May your God too be with you! -- Peace be with you! Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum!
Cheers Gabe, may your God be with you. Is the salutation specific to a particular religion and hence, excludes others? Do Shites and Sunnis accept it equally? What about the Aga khanis? What about the non-coastal areas of East Africa or the coastal areas of West Africa? Would atheists and agnostics be offended by such a greeting? ;-) Regards, George Gabe wrote... RESPONSE: Thanks for that! I lived and worked in both Jeddah and Riyadh and very few people went through the formalityI am using the shortened version, as I prefer it; this style of greeting is widely used in the Coastal areas of East Africa, which had a strong connection with Omani Arabs. Also non Arab Muslims use this abbreviated style. Incidentally I was born and raised up in Nairobi, Kenya.
