[Goanet] re: konknni and romi lipi

2005-08-31 Thread Eugene Correia
This is important correction, though there could be
other mistakes.

--
In my village I COULD'NT (instead of could) find many
houses,
including mine, buying Konknni magazines and V. Ixtt,
except for one neighbour.


I think S.M.Borges raises some pertinent questions,
and it would be good if he posts the article detailing
the other viewpoint on this forum, if needed in
separate parts.

Is S.M Borges the same Borges who writes or has
written or Gulab?

Eugene




Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs 
 



[Goanet] Re: KONKNNI ANI ROMI LIPI - Bhag Tisro - (3) END

2005-08-30 Thread Sebastian Borges
Dear Godfrey,
This so called well-researched article is nothing but
a Remix of the article that appeared in PORMOLL,
distributed free by DKA to all those who attended
their show on 17 Dec. 2004.  You must be having a copy
since you covered that event.  The article was also
published verbatim in RENOVACAO, the fortnightly organ
of the Archdiocese of Goa in its issues of Nov.  Dec.
2004.  It was completely debunked by a Goan priest Fr
Jaime Couto in the Jan.  Feb. issues of RENOVACAO. 
He had buttressed his arguments with quotations from
published sources, including Jesuit ones;  a
bibliography of these sources was also appended at the
end of the article.  If you have not read Fr Couto's
rejoinder and would like to know the other side of the
coin, just drop a line and I shall try to send it to
you.  This offer is also open to any other reader who
seeks the truth and wants to understand the issue in a
holistic manner. 
Hope to hear from you.
S. M. Borges

--- godfrey gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sonvsarar aschea somest Konknnink (Konknni lokak) komÂ’pyuttor 
 yugant ektthaim haddachi takot fokot Romi lipiek asa oxem 
 Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendra-k TSKK) dista.  Dekun  Kendran 
 atanchi Romi lipient borounchi rit sudharun uchchara pormannem 
 vijnanik ritin Konknni borounchi novi rit toyar kelea.  Agost
 15, 2005 disa ti pustika Moddganv uzvaddaili.  Ti pustika 
 Kendrant ani her kodden vikrek mellta.  Ti appnailear Konknnichi 
 vaddavoll zatoli ani Konknnincho ekvott ghoddon ietolo.   
 Devonagorint Konknni borounchi rit uchchara poros vegllich asa.



[Goanet] re: Konknni ani Romi Lipi..... some opinions

2005-08-30 Thread Eugene Correia
Pratap Naik's Konknni and Romi Lipi provides
interesting insight into the new Roman Script Movement
that the Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendra (TSKK) has
been spearheading. I hadn't read it before I sent a
few posts on the subject of Konknni and Roman script
to this forum. I had made a mention of Prof. Antonio
Fernandes, but I must admit that I forgot his first
name, Joaquim.
The article mentions the author of Konknni Nad Xastr
and credits him for stressing the need to write
Konknni in Roman script within grammatical rules. Naik
points out that the Fernandes's orthography lacked the
method to show certain Konknni phonetics as well
deficient in some ways (I admit I don't what the exact
English word for unneponn). Trends in linguistics
change, and language is an evoling medium.
It seems the new Konknni Roman script released by the
TSKK redresses the defenciency in Fernandes's
grammatical rules and description by adding ~ and ^
symbols to emphasize stress on nasal sounds and
certain vowels. If these two additions don't seem to
mean much to Konknni syntax, except that they are
phonetically important to capture the peculiar Konknni
words.
That Konknni is spoken differently, as much as English
is spoken differently in different parts of the world,
makes one wonder which of the Konknni word, say, in
Bardez or Salcette Konknni, would be the
right-sounding word. This debate is best for
sociolinguists, and I am not sure who are these people
in the Konknni-speaking world.
If I can go back, I think Prof. Rocky Miranda was
doing some research on the Konknni language. I would
be glad to know from anyone on this forum or from
elsewhere what was Miranda's area of research and if
anything resulted from his research.
Since TSKK has taken up the challenge to get
government approval for Roman script Konkani, I am bit
surprised as to know where protaonists of this new
movement were all these years since Devanagir Konknni
was accepted as an official language. It has been
remarked on this forum that the sudden change of
TSKK's direction vis-a-vis Konknni script has taken
some of us by surprise. I am not aware if there were
efforts to get the Roman script during the time when
the reins of the government were in the hands of
Christian chief ministers, since it's largely the
Christians who are demanding this script. Goa also had
the outgoing president of the Dalgado Konknni Academy,
Tomazinho Cardozo, as speaker.
Now that the leaders of the RSM are seeking to get an
amendment to the Act and are pleading with MLAs, what
made them sit tight all these years? I may not be far
off the mark when I say that the TSKK itself took a
back seat in pushing forward the Roman script. Did the
TSKK came upon their own road to Damascus?
I remember going to the TSKK, when it was located at
Mira Mar, and asking for a Konknni grammar in Roman
script but was told that it didn't have any, and if I
could have the Devanagiri one. Though I know how to
read Devanagiri, having studied both Hindi and Marathi
at school, I was not keen on gettting it. Since I had
grown up reading Udentichem Neketr and later Goa
Times, Goa Mail, Ave Maria, Cine Times, and Goan
Sports Weekly, I was, and still am, familiar with
Roman script Konknni. I was amazed at the difference
in the Konknni that each paper wrote. It frayed my
mind to read the different versions. Even now, the
Konknni of V. Ixtt, and of Gulab, and The Goan Review
different to some extent.
I find the Konknni of V. Ixtt to be Sanskritized. I
am, therefore, taken back when Naik says that the
liturgical books of  the Goan Archiocese are filled
with Sanskrit words, and that the texts don't seem to
be uniquely Konknni. I see a clear division among the
clergy here.
In his opening para, Naik poses a rather uncanny or,
perhaps, a rhetorical question that those who can't
talk their own mother-tongue may seem to offend God.
While he in concluding para, he states categorically
that God won't come down to map out Konknni's future
and that we shouldn't wait for Him. Why God comes into
this picture is beyond me. I, for one, wouldn't take
God's name in vain, even if one wishes to be emphatic
in making one's point.
At least in Goa, Christians or to be more pointed,
Catholics, begin their new ventures or any significant
project with an invocation to the Lord Almighty. I
believe those in the forefront of the RSM need God as
much as they needed him during the Konknn agitation. 
He says that if those Konknni lovers had fought for
equal status for Roman script Konknni in the Official
Language Act, the  Konknni language scenario in Goa
would be different. I am not sure if the TSKK was
established at this time. But definitely some of the
players in the new movement were present, and probably
active. As Naik says, the Konknni Projecho Avaz fooled
the Christians involved in that organization. Now
perhaps is the time to turn the tables on these
cheaters, however late in the day it may seem.
Naik himself admits that nothing is achieved