Hows things, no wine till sunday! second thoughts,
lest go to Shamra together!eric.
--- Marlon Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As usual, Gilbert is again choosing to obfuscate the
> the fundamental issues at hand. When confronted with
> facts of catholic churches having being built on
> temples, the topic was changed to whether churches
> were built next to destroyed temples.
>
> Gilbert was asked to back up his allegations made
> against Tariq and he has yet again provided no clear
> answer to it.
>
> The revisionist campaign has now moved on to Tipu
> Sultan and the allegation of atrocities committed by
> his army against (the still large and thriving) Goan
> catholics in Manglore. The fact is that there is
> much
> in dispute on what Tipu Sultan did or did not do.
> Many
> belonging to the hindu right do share Gilbert's
> opinion of Tipu Sultan. The alternate opinion is
> that
> he was very tolerant of hindus and supported the
> reconstruction of old hindu temples and had many
> hindu
> princes in his goverment.
>
> One fact that is very clear is that Tipu Sultan's
> forces were heavily armed and supported by the
> (catholic) French. Without their support, it is
> questionable if Tipu would have been able to take on
> the British and the regional powers for as long as
> he
> did. For those who are not aware, the French were at
> that time competing with the British to establish
> themselves in India.
>
> With regards to the alleged "massacre" of the
> christians in Manglore, there is no doubt that he
> used
> force quell the christian community there. Manglore
> had been under his domain for a long time and was
> never subject to religious subjugation either by him
> or his father for many decades of their rule. The
> reason for his eventual attack was because it the
> catholics in Manglore sensed they could get special
> favors from the British and decided to switch sides.
>
> Kind of reminds me of the musical chair politics
> that
> takes place in Goa. Jokes aside, it is clear that
> his
> French backed army did not target them because of
> their religion. His response was therefore quite
> logical (though harsh) considering he was fighting
> for
> his very existance. In the end, he was defeated and
> killed by the British, which resulted in the door
> finally being opened to British rule in south.
>
> Marlon
>
> --- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Gilbert Lawrence:
> > "All their (Manglorean former Goan Catholics)
> lands,
> > goods and personal
> > property were confiscated and given away to loyal
> > subjects. Their
> > churches were destroyed and many of the stones
> were
> > used to build
> > mosques and other monuments." Wonder how often
> Tariq
> > has railed against
> > this episode in Goan history - the ultimate
> revision
> > of the history of
> > Goans.
> >
> > Santosh:
> > As far as I know, Tariq has never railed against
> > anything in Goan
> > history. There is no virtue in claiming that one's
> > own religious bigots
> > killed less number of people than someone else's
> > religious bigots, let
> > alone doing it by using unsubstantiated and
> > fabricated facts. If one
> > wants to revise history to feel good about one's
> > past, one can certainly
> > do it better by not taunting others.
> >
> > Gilbert Lawrence:
> > Regards: "As far as I know, Tariq has never railed
> > against anything in
> > Goan
> > History". Your memory is either short and/or your
> > historical facts are
> > convenient. The point: there are all kinds of
> bigots
> > including yours and
> > mine.
>
>
##
> # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> #
> # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa),
> and avoid top-posts #
> # More details on Goanet at
> http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ #
> # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to
> reflect respect to others #
>
##
__
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway
http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
##
# Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] #
# PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts #
# More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ #
# Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others #
##
