Re: [Goanet]Re: A Must Read before you Vote (Tim de Mello)

2004-10-29 Thread Chris Vaz
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Good show, Peter--
Thanks for setting the record straight.  Mario Govea would be proud of you! 
Keep the powder dry!


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Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:22 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Re: A Must Read before you Vote (Tim de Mello)


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Tim de Mello wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
"We should not forget that this administration inherited a
recession after
the technology bubble had burst and it was like handing Bush a
hand grenade
with the pin pulled out."
By the same token we should not forget that Clinton inherited an economy 
that was already devasted by the Bush Sr. but managed to turn it around in 
four years.

Tim, you're wrong. The economy had started to recover during Bush Sr.'s 
last year in office. The third quarter growth rate of his last year in 
office was 3.4%, a very respectable number. As for managing to turn it 
around in four years--some credit is due to the fact that there was a 
Republican-controlled House and Senate. Concerning Clinton turning around 
a Bush Sr. economy in 4 years, Bush Jr. has acheived the same level of 
unemployment that Clinton had achieved at the end of his first term--a 
record which helped Clinton run his re-election on the theme of 
prosperity.

Bush Jr. inherited a huge surplus (not a recession) - and yes there were 
problems soon after he took over but he is no Clinton. Not even close. It 
was just poor governance.
Poor governance? One particular quarter last year had an 8.9% growth in 
GDP. The highest in 19 years. There have been several quarters in which 
growth has been over 5%, and the average has been over 4%. If you know 
anything about economics, you know that these are excellent figures. Home 
ownership is at an all-time high. The "educational gap" has never been 
narrower between minorities and the rest of the population. BTW, the 
surplus peaked one month *before* Bush was elected and certainly didn't 
pick up in the almost three months before he took office.

Nobody called Clinton a "moron" or "stupid" publicly.
Okay, perhaps they said that privately. People can be very civil 
sometimes.

I just feel sorry for all the Americans who have lost their jobs because 
of this administration. A bad economy in America negatively affects a 
large part of the world.

Don't feel too sorry. Lost jobs *because* of this administration? Unless 
the administration caused the attacks of September 11, which led to a loss 
of one million jobs. The recession, which was inherited, also led to a 
huge loss of jobs. Almost a million new jobs have been created by this 
administration for every one of the last 14 months. Not a bad record, eh? 
This may explain why more than 3/5ths of Americans say that they are 
better off today than they were 4 years ago.

For those in India who may be not aware - being jobless in America is a 
very miserable experience. Particularly in the cold months. For many the 
choice is "to eat or to heat".

It can be miserable. The average "poor" American owns a 2-bedroom home, 
three television sets, a car, and subscribes to cable TV. Talking about 
being miserable, the misery index--a factor of  unemployment and 
inflation--is lower than it was when Clinton left office.

I hope the Americans do not vote Bush Jr. back into office.
I'm sorry that you want to bring a curse upon America.
Sincerely,
Peter D'Souza




[Goanet]Re: A Must Read before you Vote (Tim de Mello)

2004-10-29 Thread Peter D'Souza
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Tim de Mello wrote:
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"We should not forget that this administration inherited a
recession after
the technology bubble had burst and it was like handing Bush a
hand grenade
with the pin pulled out."
By the same token we should not forget that Clinton inherited an economy 
that was already devasted by the Bush Sr. but managed to turn it around in 
four years.

Tim, you're wrong. The economy had started to recover during Bush Sr.'s last year in 
office. The third quarter growth rate of his last year in office was 3.4%, a very 
respectable number. As for managing to turn it around in four years--some credit is 
due to the fact that there was a Republican-controlled House and Senate. Concerning 
Clinton turning around a Bush Sr. economy in 4 years, Bush Jr. has acheived the same 
level of unemployment that Clinton had achieved at the end of his first term--a record 
which helped Clinton run his re-election on the theme of prosperity.
Bush Jr. inherited a huge surplus (not a recession) - and yes there were 
problems soon after he took over but he is no Clinton. Not even close. It 
was just poor governance. 

Poor governance? One particular quarter last year had an 8.9% growth in 
GDP. The highest in 19 years. There have been several quarters in which 
growth has been over 5%, and the average has been over 4%. If you know 
anything about economics, you know that these are excellent figures. 
Home ownership is at an all-time high. The "educational gap" has never 
been narrower between minorities and the rest of the population. BTW, 
the surplus peaked one month *before* Bush was elected and certainly 
didn't pick up in the almost three months before he took office.

Nobody called Clinton a "moron" or "stupid" publicly. 

Okay, perhaps they said that privately. People can be very civil sometimes.
I just feel sorry for all the Americans 
who have lost their jobs because of this administration. A bad economy in 
America negatively affects a large part of the world.
 

Don't feel too sorry. Lost jobs *because* of this administration? Unless 
the administration caused the attacks of September 11, which led to a 
loss of one million jobs. The recession, which was inherited, also led 
to a huge loss of jobs. Almost a million new jobs have been created by 
this administration for every one of the last 14 months. Not a bad 
record, eh? This may explain why more than 3/5ths of Americans say that 
they are better off today than they were 4 years ago.

For those in India who may be not aware - being jobless in America is a very 
miserable experience. Particularly in the cold months. For many the choice 
is "to eat or to heat".
 

It can be miserable. The average "poor" American owns a 2-bedroom home, 
three television sets, a car, and subscribes to cable TV. Talking about 
being miserable, the misery index--a factor of  unemployment and 
inflation--is lower than it was when Clinton left office.

I hope the Americans do not vote Bush Jr. back into office.
I'm sorry that you want to bring a curse upon America.
Sincerely,
Peter D'Souza