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--- Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently posted what The Globe and Mail reported on WMD in Iraq, and despite an additional private request for a response, he has kept silent :-( Mario replies: Mervyn, I have repeatedly told you that the Toronto Globe Mail and the Toronto Star both have zero credibility with me. I have found that they deliberately misrepresent the truth on a whole host of issues and their editors refuse to respond or clarify when I bring these to their attention.
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Colin, You have nothing intelligent to say in response to the points I have made, so you are now resorting to personal insults and name-calling. Words such as laughable and poppycock do not pass muster in any debate and are no substitute for facts and logic, and you seem to be sadly deficient in those areas. By the way, your side of the debate in the US lost in the presidential elections last November, and you are now stewing in your own bitter juices. This is fortunate for the 80% of Iraqis, who would have otherwise been thrown back to the Sunni wolves by people like you.
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--- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Dear, dear Mario, Please give it up; too many people to handle! You have the wrong person I don't know what you are talking about in regard to Uganda! Perhaps your good adversary who has now progressed to 3.0 can help you out.check below. Mario replies: Gabe, the small cabal of anti-Americans are all sounding the same right now, because you are like peas in a pod. I am quite capable of handling all of you singly and jointly. The point is I made a mistake in mentioning Uganda and corrected it. Mervyn can read my post and figure it out for himself.
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Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario, please excuse me for butting in: Depose the damned dictator by any and all means, but does any political situation justify the need to .impose freedom and democracy. ? Mario replies: Alfred, firstly, you are welcome to butt in anytime. Secondly, in answer to your question, I believe that, yes, democratic countries have an obligation to support freedom and democracy in countries that do not have it. The US made it possible for Afghanistan and Iraq to experience freedom and democracy, just as in Germany and Japan a generation ago, and, with the help of the Pope and Gorbachov, in the old Soviet Union countries more recently, but did NOT impose American-style democracy on any of these countries, leaving the details for the locals to decide. During his inauguration last January, President Bush announced a new American policy of proactively supporting democratic movements around the world. His reasoning is that this will bring world peace in the longer run. He bases his theory on the fact that there is no instance in history where a democratic country has attacked another democratic country. He specifically ruled out imposing US-style democracy, pledging to leave it up to the citizens to decide what kind of democracy they wanted to have. Also, the primary method will be through peaceful negotiations, hopefully with the UN involved. Force is always the last resort in US policy, regardless of what the anti-American critics may allege. I have never understood how people who live in freedom and democracy themselves, question the need for others to be provided with the opportunity to experience freedom and democracy. Especially for people like the Afghans and Iraqis, whose dictators were anything but benevolent.
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Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Dear, dear Mario, Please give it up; too many people to handle! You have the wrong person I don't know what you are talking about in regard to Uganda! Perhaps your good adversary who has now progressed to 3.0 can help you out.check below. Gabe, I have tried my level best to engage Mario in private email so as to spare the other 7,000 members here the agony of going thru a deteriorating discussion. Strangely enough, Mario does not reply to my private emails. In addition, he has now chosen to close his eyes and not respond to my postings on Goanet. I recently posted what The Globe and Mail reported on WMD in Iraq, and despite an additional private request for a response, he has kept silent :-( Mervyn3.0 A man who confesses to small faults hopes you will think he has no big ones. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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Mario, I had previously written: Het Mario, Please try and get your facts right before you write here. Unless, of course, there was an attack on Uganda that only you and George Bush know about. Mervyn3.0 To which you replied: Very good observation, Gabe! Mario, I am wondering if it's possible to refrain from name calling here on this forum. Can we come to a gentlemans sgreement on this? Mervyn3.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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Colin is so upset that Saddam Hussain was removed from power that he will continue to repeat what everyone knows, that the WMDs were not found, over and over again. I have made a detailed case of why I think the WMDs are still hidden somewhere, but Colin has not responded to a single point that has been made with any specifics of his own, which proves he has no idea what he is talking about. For the record, all the Bush administration has said is that the WMDs were not found in Iraq, not that they were disposed off. There is NO evidence that they were disposed off. The the UN asked Iraq to account for 12 years (why would they do that if they - the UN), not the US - thought there were NO WMDs?). Saddam provided NO evidence that he had disposed off the WMDs, which eventually led to him being deposed. Since providing this evidence would have preserved his dictatorship, it makes NO SENSE, to anyone but Colin and a handful of his anti-American friends, to believe that the WMDs were, in fact, disposed off. Besides, the WMDs were only one of a whole series of reasons, officially given by the Bush administration for the liberation of Iraq, but Colin seems uninterested in any facts. --- Colin Britto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The author must realise that it is just HIS case that WMD still exists. No-one else (even BUSH officials) believe this any more.The author is free to believe exactly what he wants to believe and ignore ALL facts. However - that doesn't make the facts go away...
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The author's attempts at spin are laughable. I have watched this debate for the last 6 months, and his tactics are simple: just routinely repeat points, and indulge in gross generalizations (example: if you are against the war in Iraq, you must be pro-Saddam). Mario: do you have a poster of Bush on your bedroom wall? You CLAIM to support Bush, but talk is cheap. Why have you not enlisted? Why have you not travelled to Iraq yourself to find WMD? Why are your family members not fighting in Iraq? Why? So many questions, but no answers from you. What are you scared of? Please answer these questions. And remember if you do find WMD, you will also find fame and fortune, and the immense gratitude of your personal hero, GWB. Maybe you will even get a pet moniker from him - Goenkar Bush! Furthermore, if you were to somehow either mention Goanet during your TV interviews and/or inject some needed capital into the Goanet infrastructure, I will personally lobby the mythical Goanet Admin Team to grant you a place at the Admin team table. I am sure that most (all?) members of Goanet will join me in this effort The outpouring of support will doubtless sway the minds of the great Herman and his cohorts Fame, fortune, and a place on the Goanet Admin Team!! So Mario: the rest is in your hands. Will you keep talking poppycock - or will you replace words with deeds? It is up to you. --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Colin, You are distinguishing yourself on Goanet by routinely spewing generalizations that have no basis in fact. Can you please cite me one example where I have said that the Bush administration can do no wrong? You obviously cannot deal with the specific points that I have made, so I don't blame you for resorting to such tactics. __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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On 14/05/05, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very good observation, Gabe! It was a mistake for me to mention Uganda. I should have said Tanzania, which was attacked on the same day as Kenya. RESPONSE: My Dear, dear Mario, Please give it up; too many people to handle! You have the wrong person I don't know what you are talking about in regard to Uganda! Perhaps your good adversary who has now progressed to 3.0 can help you out.check below. --- Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you aware that Clinton's failure to respond to the series of attacks from WTC-I to Saudi Arabia, Kenya, Uganda, Somalia and Yemen only emboldened them leading directly to WTC-II on 9/11. Het Mario, Please try and get your facts right before you write here. Unless, of course, there was an attack on Uganda that only you and George Bush know about. Mervyn3.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
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--- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How could Saddam show WMD's that are not there? Even a primary school kid could be foxed by such a preposterous question that you put to us.The WMD's were decommissioned and in reality were not of such a magnitude as made out by the USA. That he used it against the Kurds did not mean he had tons of it. Mario replies, patiently: In the interests of education and correcting the record, I will attempt to explain the rationale to Gabe, one more time. See if you can follow this, Gabe. First of all, Saddam actually used WMDs against Iran and against his own Kurds in the mid-80s. Since you were born at the time, you should know this, unlike WW-II, where you said you could not be expected to know stuff that happened before you were born. In the cease fire agreement in 1991 Saddam agreed to destroy his WMDs and provide an accounting to the UN. The UN, Gabe, not the US. When he failed to do so, stringent economic sanctions were imposed on Iraq, which exempted food and medicines. There were 17 such UN resolutions, Gabe, from 1991 to the final one in 2003, which included an ultimatum that he would suffer severe consequences, not just more sanctions. When he again failed to account for the WMDs he was deposed. What you seem to have a hard time grasping, perhaps because you don't want to, is that, if he had, in fact, decommissioned the WMDs and had NONE, as you seem gullible enough to believe, he should have been easily been able to show this to the UN inspectors, which would have complied with the UN resolutions, the sanctions would have ended, he would not have been deposed and could have gone back to his cushy dictatorship, where he could kill, rape and torture people at will. He had from 1991 to 2003 to show the UN inspectors that he had no WMDs. He made his country suffer crippling economic sanctions, and deprived them of food and medicines that killed more of them than all the casualties since the war began, while he looted the oil-for-food program to build more palaces for his own use. He finally suffered the loss of his dictatorship. Only anti-Americans like you find it reasonable to believe that he went through all this, when he could have avoided it all by showing the UN inspectors what you claim he had done, which is decommission his WMDs. No, Gabe, he has either hidden them, because chemical and biological weapons do not require TONS, and are easy to hide in a vast country like Iraq, or he had them moved to Syria. Besides, as I have said, the WMDs, which you anti-Americans seem obsessed with, were only one of a whole list of reasons that were listed in the war resolution authorizing the liberation of Iraq in the US Senate. Look it up on www.senate.gov. Gabe writes: Poppycock, you will follow Bush blindly; what you do not answer on this Goanet is whether you would urge your progeny to do battle. You are full of praise for combating US troops - you should urge your kids to go there and do their bit. Mario replies: Poppycock, Gabe? What have I ever said that you can cite which leads you to believe I will follow Bush blindly? You are using big words for you, like poppycock, because you are too lazy to look up the facts. Look up the US resolution authorizing the war of liberation, and you will see it is no poppycock or any other cock. Besides, your attempts at personalizing this to me and my family is pathetic. You may think this is cute, but it is irrelevent to the discussion. Gabe writes: Again you are bringing us down to your level - primary school stuff - there is not one of us on this goanet site that loves Saddam; I would state though that there are not many of us that would follow George Bush or your view either! Mario replies: You (I did not say everyone on Goanet), may not LOVE Saddam, but the proof that you support him is based on the lengths you go to obfuscate the true facts, even refusing to look up things that are easily available on the internet. If your factless opposition to the US-led liberation of Iraq had prevailed, Saddam would have still be brutalizing the majority of Iraqis. This may not constitute you LOVING him, but it sure constitutes support. Gabe writes: Yes I know you don't care, nor does your President. What I am stating is that you are the one who plainly stated that peace would not come to Iraq in a short while and it would take time. You seem to have a lapse of memory perhaps when it suits or perhaps when you have no other avenue to turn to, like a cornered dog staving off the inevitable - being torn to pieces by the opposition. Mario replies: Torn to pieces is what is happening to your factless arguments, Gabe. Again, I think you are getting frustrated because you are losing track of what you are saying. Yes, I did plainly state, as did President Bush, that this would take time. It is taking time, as we said, so we were correct. Where is my lapse of memory? Gabe, since WW-II took place before you
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Very good observation, Gabe! It was a mistake for me to mention Uganda. I should have said Tanzania, which was attacked on the same day as Kenya. However, this correction in a long list of attacks on the US and US interests throughout the 90s, none of which were responded to by the Clinton administration, makes no difference to the point I was making about Osama being emboldened by the appeasement and calling himself a strong horse as a result. Tyrants who are on the attack cannot be appeased as Neville Chamberlain found out years ago and Bill Clinton found out more recently. --- Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you aware that Clinton's failure to respond to the series of attacks from WTC-I to Saudi Arabia, Kenya, Uganda, Somalia and Yemen only emboldened them leading directly to WTC-II on 9/11. Het Mario, Please try and get your facts right before you write here. Unless, of course, there was an attack on Uganda that only you and George Bush know about. Mervyn3.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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Colin, You are distinguishing yourself on Goanet by routinely spewing generalizations that have no basis in fact. Can you please cite me one example where I have said that the Bush administration can do no wrong? You obviously cannot deal with the specific points that I have made, so I don't blame you for resorting to such tactics. --- Colin Britto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The author indulges in sycophantic fawning over the Bush administration - to him, it can do no wrong. Not even a single mistake... I must remind the audience that no one is infallible. One must ask: does the author keep a poster of the president and other members of the administration on his bedroom ceiling? All the better to gaze at adoringly --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
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From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re: NEWS UPDATE - another Saddam mass grave found in Iraq Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 23:43:32 +0100 On 13/05/05, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario replies: Gabe, it would help the civilized discourse that we are supposed to have on Goanet if you knew what you were talking about. I have repeatedly made the case that the WMDs are still hidden somewhere, whereas you and the other anti-Americans keep repeating the fact that they were not found in Iraq, without explaining what happened to the ones Saddam had and used. RESPONSE: How could Saddam show WMD's that are not there? Even a primary school kid could be foxed by such a preposterous question that you put to us.The WMD's were decommissioned and in reality were not of such a magnitude as made out by the USA. That he used it against the Kurds did not mean he had tons of it. Secondly, if you had looked up the war resolution authorizing the liberation of Iraq you would know that there were several reasons for the action other than WMDs, including the need to depose Saddam and impose freedom and democracy. So, the notion that it was an afterthought is just flat out false, and reflects the biased propaganda being spread by the newspapers you and some of our Canadian friends seem to read. RESPONSE: poppycock, you will follow Bush blindly; what you do not answer on this Goanet is whether you would urge your progeny to do battle. You are full of praise for combating US troops - you should urge your kids to go there and do their bit. Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England Mario, please excuse me for butting in: Depose the demned dictator by any and all means, but does any political situation justify the need to . impose freedom and democracy. ? Alfred de Tavares _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
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The author must realise that it is just HIS case that WMD still exists. No-one else (even BUSH officials) believe this any more.The author is free to believe exactly what he wants to believe and ignore ALL facts. However - that doesn't make the facts go away... I also note he uses terms below like we don't care. Who is this WE? The author is just representing himself, no one else. I strongly urge Mr. Goveia to hop on a plane and prove everyone wrong by finding the WMD. He will have the last laugh on every Bush critic. So, Mario - when is your flight to Baghdad leaving? Best of luck. please remember us humble (reality-based) Goanetters when you've found fame and fortune as a result of finding said missing WMD. Maybe you can even help out Herman, Fred Co. by injecting some much needed capital into Goanet! --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario replies: Gabe, it would help the civilized discourse that we are supposed to have on Goanet if you knew what you were talking about. I have repeatedly made the case that the WMDs are still hidden somewhere, whereas you and the other anti-Americans keep repeating the fact that they were not found in Iraq, without explaining what happened to the ones Saddam had and used. Maybe you are unaware that they really did exist, and there were 17 UN resolutions from 1991 to 2003 demending an accounting of them. UN resolutions, not US demands. Secondly, if you had looked up the war resolution authorizing the liberation of Iraq you would know that there were several reasons for the action other than WMDs, including the need to depose Saddam and impose freedom and democracy. So, the notion that it was an afterthought is just flat out false, and reflects the biased propaganda being spread by the newspapers you and some of our Canadian friends seem to read. What you are truly sad about it seems to me is that a brutal dictator who was governing by terrorizing the majority of Iraqis, killing his own people and looting his own treasury, has been deposed. Gabe writes: Everyday we hear of dozens of people being killed in Iraq and we are told to be patient as this same sort of thing took place after WW II in the reconstruction of Japan and Germany. I was not born then, perhaps he knows better - that there were mass atrocities being committed in those countries after they were conquered and it took awhile to calm down the situation. Mario replies: Gabe, we really don't care whether you are patient or not. Our goal right now is to secure Iraq and stop the killing by the people whom you support from killing other Iraqis in a futile attempt to turn back the clock. The notion that you had to have lived through WW-II to know about what happened then is preposterous. By this definition the world began when YOU were born. Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html
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On 13/05/05, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario replies: Gabe, it would help the civilized discourse that we are supposed to have on Goanet if you knew what you were talking about. I have repeatedly made the case that the WMDs are still hidden somewhere, whereas you and the other anti-Americans keep repeating the fact that they were not found in Iraq, without explaining what happened to the ones Saddam had and used. RESPONSE: How could Saddam show WMD's that are not there? Even a primary school kid could be foxed by such a preposterous question that you put to us.The WMD's were decommissioned and in reality were not of such a magnitude as made out by the USA. That he used it against the Kurds did not mean he had tons of it. Secondly, if you had looked up the war resolution authorizing the liberation of Iraq you would know that there were several reasons for the action other than WMDs, including the need to depose Saddam and impose freedom and democracy. So, the notion that it was an afterthought is just flat out false, and reflects the biased propaganda being spread by the newspapers you and some of our Canadian friends seem to read. RESPONSE: poppycock, you will follow Bush blindly; what you do not answer on this Goanet is whether you would urge your progeny to do battle. You are full of praise for combating US troops - you should urge your kids to go there and do their bit. What you are truly sad about it seems to me is that a brutal dictator who was governing by terrorizing the majority of Iraqis, killing his own people and looting his own treasury, has been deposed. RESPONSE: Again you are bringing us down to your level - primary school stuff - there is not one of us on this goanet site that loves Saddam; I would state though that there are not many of us that would follow George Bush or your view either! Gabe writes: Everyday we hear of dozens of people being killed in Iraq and we are told to be patient as this same sort of thing took place after WW II in the reconstruction of Japan and Germany. I was not born then, perhaps he knows better - that there were mass atrocities being committed in those countries after they were conquered and it took awhile to calm down the situation. Mario replies: Gabe, we really don't care whether you are patient or not. RESPONSE: Yes I know you don't care, nor does your President. What I am stating is that you are the one who plainly stated that peace would not come to Iraq in a short while and it would take time. You seem to have a lapse of memory perhaps when it suits or perhaps when you have no other avenue to turn to, like a cornered dog staving off the inevitable - being torn to pieces by the opposition. -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
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--- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also the author keeps asking the rest of us, the whereabouts of the WMD. His Government insisted that there were WMD's. When these were not found the rhetoric, is did you want Saddam to continue in Iraq. How truly sad, how one can conjure an excuse after the fact, for going to War! Mario replies: Gabe, it would help the civilized discourse that we are supposed to have on Goanet if you knew what you were talking about. I have repeatedly made the case that the WMDs are still hidden somewhere, whereas you and the other anti-Americans keep repeating the fact that they were not found in Iraq, without explaining what happened to the ones Saddam had and used. Maybe you are unaware that they really did exist, and there were 17 UN resolutions from 1991 to 2003 demending an accounting of them. UN resolutions, not US demands. Secondly, if you had looked up the war resolution authorizing the liberation of Iraq you would know that there were several reasons for the action other than WMDs, including the need to depose Saddam and impose freedom and democracy. So, the notion that it was an afterthought is just flat out false, and reflects the biased propaganda being spread by the newspapers you and some of our Canadian friends seem to read. What you are truly sad about it seems to me is that a brutal dictator who was governing by terrorizing the majority of Iraqis, killing his own people and looting his own treasury, has been deposed. Gabe writes: Everyday we hear of dozens of people being killed in Iraq and we are told to be patient as this same sort of thing took place after WW II in the reconstruction of Japan and Germany. I was not born then, perhaps he knows better - that there were mass atrocities being committed in those countries after they were conquered and it took awhile to calm down the situation. Mario replies: Gabe, we really don't care whether you are patient or not. Our goal right now is to secure Iraq and stop the killing by the people whom you support from killing other Iraqis in a futile attempt to turn back the clock. The notion that you had to have lived through WW-II to know about what happened then is preposterous. By this definition the world began when YOU were born.
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Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you aware that Clinton's failure to respond to the series of attacks from WTC-I to Saudi Arabia, Kenya, Uganda, Somalia and Yemen only emboldened them leading directly to WTC-II on 9/11. Het Mario, Please try and get your facts right before you write here. Unless, of course, there was an attack on Uganda that only you and George Bush know about. Mervyn3.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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The author indulges in sycophantic fawning over the Bush administration - to him, it can do no wrong. Not even a single mistake... I must remind the audience that no one is infallible. One must ask: does the author keep a poster of the president and other members of the administration on his bedroom ceiling? All the better to gaze at adoringly --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
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Colin Britto goanet@goanet.org wrote: The comments below are of the type if you are against American intervention in Afghanistan and Iraq, then you are pro Saddam and Taliban. This is a very simplistic evaluation of world events. The author swallows the with us or against us and other facets of the doctrine of the Bush administration without any critical thought whatsoever. They fail to grasp this basic fact: Being against the US intervention in Iraq does not mean a pro-Saddam stance. Mario replies: Colin, what I have grasped is that you like to keep repeating yourself (see above) without feeling any need to explain your reasoning or provide any specifics. I looked in vain for YOUR critical thoughts on the Bush doctrine on confronting terrorism and supporting democratic movements with the long term expectation that spreading freedom and democracy will enhance world peace. I do believe that if you do not support us you are against us in the war against worldwide terrorism. Since you think this is so simplistic, would you PLEASE give us your sophisticated opinion of how you can be against the US stand against terrorism without giving aid and comfort to our enemy - and yours as well as you will find out if you ever cross paths with them. The terrorists are psychologically sustained and feed on the opposition to the US of people like you. Are you even aware that it was Al Qaeda that first declared war against the US at the height of Bill Clinton's appeasement oriented administration? Are you aware that Clinton's failure to respond to the series of attacks from WTC-I to Saudi Arabia, Kenya, Uganda, Somalia and Yemen only emboldened them leading directly to WTC-II on 9/11. Do you even remember Osama calling himself the strong horse and the US a weak horse? No sign of the self-declared strong horse for several years now, just some audio and video tapes encouraging others to die, while he hides in some hole in the ground. All this was before Bush became president. Are you even aware that Saddam had violated 17 UN resolutions over 12 long years, was brutalizing his own people and looting the oil-for-food program, before Bush decided enough was enough? Shouldn't he have been removed just for this stuff, with no regard to any WMDs? Colin writes: It is also rather amusing (and sad) that the author keeps hoping for WMD to be found in Iraq. Ignoring facts does not make them go away. Mario replies: When you finish laughing would you like to tell us what facts I am ignoring? Would you venture a guess as to how WMDs can disappear without a trace? Did you even know that Iraq had WMDs and had used these against Iran and the Kurds? Also, while you are at it, would you explain to us why, if Saddam had no WMDs, that he was unable to show this to the UN inspectors, which would have lifted the sanctions, and he could have gone on with his cushy dictatorship, mass graves and rape rooms, looting the Iraqi treasury, and you could have gone back to your sophisticated views of the world without a care fo all the Shia and Kurds that were being brutalized.
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On 13/05/05, Colin Britto goanet@goanet.org wrote: The comments below are of the type if you are against American intervention in Afghanistan and Iraq, then you are pro Saddam and Taliban. This is a very simplistic evaluation of world events. The author swallows the with us or against us and other facets of the doctrine of the Bush administration without any critical thought whatsoever. They fail to grasp this basic fact: Being against the US intervention in Iraq does not mean a pro-Saddam stance. It is also rather amusing (and sad) that the author keeps hoping for WMD to be found in Iraq. Ignoring facts does not make them go away. RESPONSE: Also the author keeps asking the rest of us, the whereabouts of the WMD. His Government insisted that there were WMD's. When these were not found the rhetoric, is did you want Saddam to continue in Iraq. How truly sad, how one can conjure an excuse after the fact, for going to War! Everyday we hear of dozens of people being killed in Iraq and we are told to be patient as this same sort of thing took place after WW II in the reconstruction of Japan and Germany. I was not born then, perhaps he knows better - that there were mass atrocities being committed in those countries after they were conquered and it took awhile to calm down the situation. Cheers, Gabe Menezes. Wimbledon England.
[Goanet]Re: NEWS UPDATE - another Saddam mass grave found in Iraq
The comments below are of the type if you are against American intervention in Afghanistan and Iraq, then you are pro Saddam and Taliban. This is a very simplistic evaluation of world events. The author swallows the with us or against us and other facets of the doctrine of the Bush administration without any critical thought whatsoever. They fail to grasp this basic fact: Being against the US intervention in Iraq does not mean a pro-Saddam stance. It is also rather amusing (and sad) that the author keeps hoping for WMD to be found in Iraq. Ignoring facts does not make them go away. --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario replies: Nice emotional attempt at anti-liberation propaganda, JDSullivan (stringer), but you need to know that the US forces today do not target innocent civilians, something that was commonplace during WW-II, whereas, as in any war, innocent civilians do get killed. No one in Afghanistan or among the Shia and Kurds in Iraq is calling Americans Baby Killers, just the opposite. It is only people like you, who prefer the stability of brutal dictatorships, and can't see the woods for the trees, who spew these canards.
