Re: [Goanet]Re: Vivek Araujo's Comments

2003-08-16 Thread vivek araujo
Santosh,

Hatred and pride always had its fall. God bless you
and the one's who know you well. Great weekend and
lookforward for a reply tothis mail

Ciao

Vivek


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  In a message dated
8/14/2003 2:48:30 AM Eastern 
 Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
 
  
  Lastly Mr. Santosh ponder on what I have mentioned

 and 
  you will see life is wonderful not to have enemies

 but 
  friends for ever. 
  
 
 Vivek: 
 
 I have pondered on everything you have written so 
 far, and I am still not convinced by your 
 explanations and exhortations. I find friendship 
 even in disagreement - or rather, especially in 
 disagreement. Most of my closest friends disagree 
 with me. And I don't have any enemies - at least, 
 ones that really know me. 
 
 Cheers, 
 
 Santosh 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: [Goanet]Re: Vivek Araujo's Comments

2003-08-14 Thread Chimbelcho
In a message dated 8/14/2003 2:48:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

 
 Lastly Mr. Santosh ponder on what I have mentioned and
 you will see life is wonderful not to have enemies but
 friends for ever.


Vivek:

I have pondered on everything you have written so far, and I am still not convinced by 
your explanations and exhortations. I find friendship even in disagreement - or 
rather, especially in disagreement. Most of my closest friends disagree with me. And I 
don't have any enemies - at least, ones that really know me.

Cheers,

Santosh





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Re: [Goanet]Re: Vivek Araujo's Comments

2003-08-14 Thread Chimbelcho
In a message dated 8/12/2003 4:02:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:


 Within a month he was feeling better and discarded his conventional treatments. 
 Praise the lord, he was cured! Unfortunately for him, two months later, he was dead.
 

vivek araujo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote earlier:

she made me kneel to recite three hail mary our father and hail holy queen gave me
some holy water and requested that I pray the rosary , went home and prayed the 
rosary with faith ,tears rolled down my eyes and I could feel the touch of the Good 
lord who as though touched me and said I heal you in the name of lord , had some 
holy water, and the next  morning till date I never had a problem.


It is always a bad idea to discontinue modern scientific medical treatment, and opt 
for some untested, supernatural treatment. In case people are wondering why bogus 
treatments such as the ones cited in the above excerpts often seem to work, at least 
for a short period of time, here is a nice article by Dr. Barry Beyerstein, a 
biopsychologist at Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, British Columbia, Canada.

Cheers,

Santosh



WHY BOGUS THERAPIES OFTEN SEEM TO WORK

Barry L. Beyerstein, Ph.D.

Subtle forces can lead intelligent people (both patients and therapists) to think that 
a treatment has helped someone when it has not. This is true for new treatments in 
scientific medicine, as well as for nostrums in folk medicine, fringe practices in 
alternative medicine, and the ministrations of faith healers.

Many dubious methods remain on the market primarily because satisfied customers offer 
testimonials to their worth. Essentially, these people say: I tried it, and I got 
better, so it must be effective. The electronic and print media typically portray 
testimonials as valid evidence. But without proper testing, it is difficult or 
impossible to determine whether this is so.

This article describes seven reasons why people may erroneously conclude that an 
ineffective therapy works.

1. The disease may have run its natural course.
Many diseases are self-limiting. If the condition is not chronic or fatal, the body's 
own recuperative processes usually restore the sufferer to health. Thus, to 
demonstrate that a therapy is effective, its proponents must show that the number of 
patients listed as improved exceeds the number expected to recover without any 
treatment at all (or that they recover reliably faster than if left untreated). 
Without detailed records of successes and failures for a large enough number of 
patients with the same complaint, someone cannot legitimately claim to have exceeded 
the published norms for unaided recovery.
 
2. Many diseases are cyclical.
Such conditions as arthritis, multiple sclerosis, allergies, and gastrointestinal 
problems normally have ups and downs. Naturally, sufferers tend to seek therapy 
during the downturn of any given cycle. In this way, a bogus treatment will have 
repeated opportunities to coincide with upturns that would have happened anyway.
 
3. The placebo effect may be responsible.
Through suggestion, belief, expectancy, cognitive reinterpretation, and diversion of 
attention, patients given biologically useless treatments often experience measurable 
relief. Some placebo responses produce actual changes in the physical condition; 
others are subjective changes that make patients feel better even though there has 
been no objective change in the underlying pathology.
 
4. People who hedge their bets credit the wrong thing.
If improvement occurs after someone has had both alternative and science-based 
treatment, the fringe practice often gets a disproportionate share of the credit.
 
5. The original diagnosis or prognosis may have been incorrect.
Scientifically trained physicians are not infallible. A mistaken diagnosis, followed 
by a trip to a shrine or an alternative healer, can lead to a glowing testimonial 
for curing a condition that would have resolved by itself. In other cases, the 
diagnosis may be correct but the time frame, which is inherently difficult to predict, 
might prove inaccurate.
 
6. Temporary mood improvement can be confused with cure.
Alternative healers often have forceful, charismatic personalities. To the extent that 
patients are swept up by the messianic aspects of alternative medicine, 
psychological uplift may ensue.
 
7. Psychological needs can distort what people perceive and do.
Even when no objective improvement occurs, people with a strong psychological 
investment in alternative medicine can convince themselves they have been helped. 
According to cognitive dissonance theory, when experiences contradict existing 
attitudes, feelings, or knowledge, mental distress is produced. People tend to 
alleviate this discord by reinterpreting (distorting) the offending information. If no 
relief occurs after committing time, money, and face to an alternate course of 
treatment (and perhaps to the worldview of which it is a 

Re: [Goanet]Re: Vivek Araujo's Comments

2003-08-14 Thread vivek araujo
Hey Santosh

If you are not confidant of yourself then do expect
for an alternative view from others, as regards making
fpeople feel my explanations as  exhortations and
unconvincing do not worry of it but worry for
yourself,
Mr. Santosh, the world where we are living in today is
hectic and taxing, we should live in peace and harmony
, loving and caring, stretching your hand to help
those who need you the most, life is too short to get
tensed and worked up on topics which bear no fruits.
Lastly Mr. Santosh ponder on what I have mentioned and
you will see life is wonderful not to have enemies but
friends for ever.

God bless you
Vivek


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  In a message dated
8/13/2003 2:29:30 AM Eastern 
 Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
 
  
  
 I for one wouldn't know what you are looking for 
 from this 
  subject but if there is something more that you 
 are 
  looking for then you may have got the wrong end of

 the 
  stick. 
  
 
 Vivek: 
 
 My post on the above thread and the article I posted

 was not meant for you. It was meant for people who 
 find your explanations and exhortations 
 unconvincing. It was also meant to voice an 
 alternative view. 
 
 Cheers, 
 
 Santosh 
 
 
 

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