Re: [Goanet] Goa is on Sale

2006-01-12 Thread Mario Goveia
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> On 11/01/06, Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > Mario observes:
> > >
> > Veronica,
> 
>  Many Jews, like many Goans, have no intentions of
> moving back to Goa.
> 
--- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> RESPONSE: There are now about three thousand Jews
> (Israelis) living in Goa; more are thinking of
moving back to 
> Goa!!
> 
Mario clarifies:
>
Gabe has taken one sentence out of the context in
which it was written, which has changed its meaning
completely.  The entire paragraph reads as follows:
>
"I also think your gratuitous reference to Jews and
Palestine is inappropriate and doesn't even fit this
issue.  As any Christian would know, Jews were in the
area called Gallilee since the old testament, before
there was any such place called Palestine.  It would
be more appropriate to liken Jews scattered around the
world to us Goans scattered around the world.  Many
Jews, like many Goans, have no intentions of moving
back to Goa. I always encourage all Goans to at least
buy property there before it's all gone - Goa's not
all that big relative to India."
>
1. The Jews I was referring to were those "scattered
around the world" who had no intentions of "moving
back" to Israel, just as there are Goans scattered
around the world who have no intentions of moving back
to Goa. 
>
2. Gabe seems to be referring to Goan Jews since he
refers to "more are thinking of moving back to Goa",
but he also refers to the Jews living in Goa as
Israelis.  I have no idea how Gabe knows what these
other Jews are thinking, but all Jews are not
Israelis.  I have several Jewish friends who are not
Israelis, even though Israel will give them
citizenship if they want.  

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Re: [Goanet] Goa is on Sale

2006-01-12 Thread Gabe Menezes
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On 11/01/06, Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> Mario observes:
> >
> Veronica,

 Many
> Jews, like many Goans, have no intentions of moving
> back to Goa.

RESPONSE: There are now about three thousand Jews (Israelis) living in
Goa; more are thinking of moving back to Goa!!



Cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
London, England

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Re: [Goanet] Goa is on Sale

2006-01-11 Thread Mario Goveia
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--- "A. Veronica Fernandes"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> GOA IS ON SALE.
> 
> I, while referring to this disturbing statement,
described the 
> gathered people how Goa is in the process of another
Palestine 
> making not by the Jews scattered all over the globe
but by the 
> non-Goans who like real Jews, coming to Goa and with
the help 
> of our Christian and Hindu local politicians from
BJP & 
> Congress parties purchasing Goan lands and
properties and 
> becoming naturalized Goans.  In this way they are
capturing 
> every part of Goa and altering demographic structure
of Goa.  
>
Mario observes:
>
Veronica,
>
In the interest of full disclosure, I am now an
American, but when I was born and grew up in India, I
was 100% Indian whose ancestry happened to be from
Goa, from Bardez, from a picturesque backwater village
with the grandiose name of Salvador do Mundo.  Amazing
roots.  Always made me feel proud.
>
I find your comments ironic, coming from an expatriate
Goan who doesn't even visit Goa unless it suits her
(or him, can't tell), like me.  The last time I
checked, Goa has been part of India for 45 years, and
any Indian could choose to live in Goa and buy
property there, and didn't have to be "naturalized".
>
Are non-Goans coming to Goa any different from us
Goans, like you for example, migrating from Goa as and
when it suited us?
>
I also think your gratuitous reference to Jews and
Palestine is inappropriate and doesn't even fit this
issue.  As any Christian would know, Jews were in the
area called Gallilee since the old testament, before
there was any such place called Palestine.  It would
be more appropriate to liken Jews scattered around the
world to us Goans scattered around the world.  Many
Jews, like many Goans, have no intentions of moving
back to Goa.  I always encourage all Goans to at least
buy property there before it's all gone - Goa's not
all that big relative to India.
>
Veronica writes:
>
> In late nineteenth century with the backing of
Britain, Jews
> had their Council in Basle, Switzerland where they
discussed 
> and decided to have them their own homeland and in
the name of 
> Biblical statement of “Chosen People by God and
Promised Land” 
> they took a decision to make Arab Palestine as their
homeland 
> by uprooting local peace loving Palestinian Arabs
from their 
> lands, settlements and residences. The process then
of
> dePalestianisation of Palestine started in the
beginning of 
> 20th century by way of purchasing the Palestinian
lands by the 
> Jews coming from all around the globe mainly the
West and 
> Africa.
>
Mario observes:
>
Did you just forget a little incident in-between
called the Holocaust?  As I recall, the state of
Israel that the British and the UN decided to form as
a homeland for Jews was a smaller part ot Gallilee
than it is today, and the Arabs got the larger share. 
However, this is more comparable to the partition of
India and Pakistan than anything going on in Goa.  If
your Palestinian friends had accepted the partition,
they would have had more land, as well as transformed
the area into an economic miracle working side-by-side
with their Semite brothers, the Jews.  Instead they
live in squalid camps, in concrete houses that look
like palaces compared to any Indian make-shift jhopdi
in Dharavi.
>
Veronica writes:
>
> The Jews coming to Palestine were very skillful,
intelligent, 
> crooks, cunnings, murderers, traitors, ruthless,
hard hearted 
> as against docile Palestinians and financially
richer than 
> Palestinian Arabs.
>
Mario responds:
>
Actually Veronica, if you know any Jews and
Palestinian Arabs as I do (close friends and business
partners), you would know that they are both
ethnically Semites and are both skillful and
intelligent, and very hard working.  I think they both
have the same proportion of "crooks, cunnings,
murderers, traitors, ruthless, hard hearted" etc. and
if you think the Palestinian Arabs are "docile" you
must have been living on some other planet since 1947,
and have not heard of the 60 year attempt by the
"docile" Palestinian Arabs to "push the Jews into the
sea" by force, without any attempt to negotiate with
either the British or the Jews before 5 Arab countries
attacked Israel in 1947-48.  Of course, everytime they
tried, they lost more land, which Israel will no
longer return without any guaranty of their peace and
security.  The last time I checked, the radical
Palestinians like Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic J