Re: [Goanet] Who would Goans want as Chief Minister ? - Parrikar or Pacheco ? Remo is d best
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Remo is the best ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Can a Christian be a Communist?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hello Mario, Thanks for the education and clarification. Your reply was very good and educative. Cheers Jerry Fernandes ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] GOAEVENTS: Last day of Goa assembly session, CCP meet.....
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I am always very happy to receive all the news in Goa, as I have a house there and am planning to move out in November, My one concern is What is happening to the River Princess, it is gradually ruining one of the nicest beaches in Goa, all the tourists and locals are fred up with it, but no one seems to care, how can you attract people and hope to improve the environment when this ugly ship has been allowed to rust all these years and affect the coast. Best regards Julian Asgaralli (London - England) --- Read all Goanet messages at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] We, you and I, have become cannon fodder for terrorists.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mario is right. Israel is not exterminating > Christians in its random bombing raids, it is > killing them. That should make those killed feel a > lot better that they were killed and not > exterminated. > Mario adds: > What was I thinking? George, Radha, Cornel and Gabe are absolutely right. I just realized that I have had it all backwards all these years. > The key fact I missed is what our atheist friends discovered in their diligent and sagacious search for the truth when they discovered that there was a scientific reason for the Big Bang, and thus there was no need for a supreme being, whom some call God. > An intellectual tsunami followed this discovery! No God meant the Bible was as bogus as The DaVinci Code, which meant Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were also fictional characters and Francis Rodrigues wasted years studying the Gospel of Judas for nothing, which meant there were no Jews in Galilee, which proved that Radha was right when he said that European Jews came and stole Israel from the Arabs! Everyone with me so far? > After the Jews stole Israel from the Palestinians in 1948 they immediately attacked their 5 contiguous Arab neighbors, pre-emptively, because that's what Jews do, and stole even more land just as Gabe has been telling us all along. Ever since then they have been attacking the Arabs willy nilly every time the moon was full. So that wily Cornel was right after all, about the attacking part, not the full moon part, which is a connection he missed. > In the meantime the meek and mild mannered Arabs were peacefully tending their olive groves, milking their goats and camels or cowering in their squalid refugee camps which I'm told are as smelly as Dharavi in Mumbai during monsoon season. Then, the moon being full, the Israelis show up like clockwork again to kill more innocent Arab men, women and children like Nero of old, just for the hell of it. > To fool the right wing crazies [they even fooled me until just now:-)] they tell Fox News, which only right wing nuts listen to, that it was some Arab suicide bombers that are causing all the trouble. Of course, everyone knows the Jews OWN Fox News. Otherwise how would Fox News claim to be "fair and balanced". Clever Jewish propaganda, that's what. > But there was one problem with the diabolical Jewish plan to wipe all the Arabs off the map and eventually rule the world. > They didn't fool our super-Goan-heroes, Pinto, DaCosta, Menezes and Nair. By golly, these intrepid Goanetters saw through all the Jewish chicanery, exposed Fox News, escaped the diabolical team of Mossad, George Bush and Tony Blair who were sent to exterminate them, and brought the truth to Goanet. > Nobel Peace prizes will surely follow and the accolades of a grateful world. > Riiiggg! Damn that alarm clock. Time to wake up. > And now you know what happens when too much fenny flows in one California ivory tower. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] SEZ, walmarts and mandos---response to elisabeth
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Be it immigration law, labor rights, equal > oportunity to > minorities as well as women walmart has been > frequently on the wrong side of law as well as > public opinion. Vivek, Wal-Mart immediately closed down a store when employees at a Walmart in Quebec voted to form a Union (the first N. America.) There are no prizes for guessing how Wal-Mart makes its money. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] A message from Wendell Rodricks
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. 0 I am happy that there is an emerging initiative for a World Goan forum. On World Goa Day last year , I stressed the impact that overseas Goans can have on Goa today. With Indian laws changing and persons of Indian origin being given more rights, it is important that all people of Goan origin and residence realise that events in Goa are a part of their history, culture and human rights. Towards this end, and considering the million Goans in the diaspora, I completely support the interests of Goans worldwide. We can attain much from this forum and we need to meet to initiate a plan of action. With regards and best wishes for Goa and Goans, Wendell Rodricks 0 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Viva Goa 2006 - Toronto
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also can someone please inform us how much did the > entrance cost and > how much for parking the cars? It seems to me that > the outlay is quite hefty...the GOA Toronto > ostensibly with a C.A. at the helm is in > control and mindful, or is the Annual affair a > give-away? ( loss leader) Gabe, The GOA usually makes $40,000+ from the Viva Goa every year. Entry is $8.00 or $10 with 6,000 people attending. Beers were $4.50 for a 300ml bottle. Parking is free. The current President, Oscar Furtado, has done a real good job turning around the finances of the association. He gets corporate sponsors for most events and if I am not mistaken, has almost paid off all the mortgage on the clubs property. The property was bought at a time when real estate was at its peaks. Real estate is at high points again and that property has appreciated. Hope this helps. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Bright Goans continue leading
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Four years after joining a venture capital firm, Marks Fernandes is promoted from Partner to Managing Director of Sierra Ventures, a Northern California based investment banking corporation. Mark Fernandes born and brought up in Bombay, has a BE from India; a Masters from Berkeley, CA; and an MBA from Harvard, MA. Mark, at 35 years old, is a great role model for young Goans who can look forward to successful career with hard work and dedication. He is a great husband and a father of two delightful girls, a good Catholic man who has little choice with two uncles as Jesuit priests. Sierra Ventures is an investment for endowment funds and generally not for individual investors. Among its investments is funding of several start-ups and IPOs in Bangalore, India. Regards, GL Subject: In today's venture wire: Sierra Ventures Nears Finish Line In Raising 9th Fund Sierra Ventures Nears Finish Line In Raising 9th Fund: By Tennille Tracy. 7/31/2006 Sierra Ventures has collected the lion's share of the $400 million it set out to raise for its ninth venture capital fund, people close to the firm said. The Menlo Park, Calif.-based firm held a first close on roughly $380 million on July 6, representing the full contribution of its institutional investors. The firm's general partners, friends, family and other individuals will supply the remaining $20 million. The firm is expected to hold a final closing later this year, one person said. Like many venture capital firms, Sierra Ventures is raising a fund that's smaller than the vehicle it raised during the go-go days of the Internet bubble. Sierra Ventures IX LP weighs in at $100 million shy of the $500 million the firm raised for its eighth fund in 2000. Most VC firms are raising more modest amounts of capital after a glut of venture capital dollars raised in the late 1990s helped fuel the dotcom-era investment frenzy, which ended with severe losses among many VC funds. Among the investors in Sierra's Fund VIII were University of Chicago, Duke Management Co., Los Angeles County Employees' Retirement, Montana Board of Investments, Stanford Management Co. and Yale University. The investment team overseeing Sierra's ninth fund will look somewhat different from the one that managed the prior fund. Managing director Jeffrey Drazan announced his intention last year to resign from Sierra once the eighth fund was fully deployed. Drazan is forming a growth-capital firm, Bertram Capital, with his brother. Meanwhile, Sierra promoted Mark Fernandes and Ben Yu to managing directors, from venture partners. Sierra Ventures invests in early to mid-stage information technology companies. It typically provides investments worth $2 million to $15 million. http://www.sierraventures.com Tim Guleri Managing Director Sierra Ventures 2884 Sandhill Road Suite 100 Menlo Park CA 94010 Phone: 650 854 1000 www.sierraven.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] World G.O.A.N. network - update
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear all An update on the World Cup Goan soccer pool - In June 2006, Gabe Menezes (London) kindly initiated a pool, proceeds to benefit Senior Citizens in Goa through Goa Sudharop. Thanks to all who contributed and to the winner, www.goa-world.com, who generously donated their winnings for a total amount of approximately Rs. 29,000/-. After Goa Sudharop did their due diligence, the Senior Citizens Forum, Margao, was selected to be the recipient. Rs. 20,000/- will be disbursed to approximately 30 seniors for medical needs. The vetting process has been done to determine need and each individual selected will receive reimbursement for their medicines or spectacles or related medical need. This process has taken time to insure 100% of the money is spent with complete accountability so donors can feel satisfied their hard-earned money benefited those in need. The balance of Rs. 9,000/- will be disbursed to seniors in due course. Again, this effort is the result of a number of people, all done on a volunteer basis. Although time consuming, this shows what the World G.O.A.N. network can and has done in the past. For those of you who do not know, the World G.O.A.N. network stands for Goan Organizations, Associations, and NGOs/non-profits with supporters and volunteers on every continent (except Antartica). Sometimes, Goans actions speak louder than words and empty messages splashed over cyberspace. It a time for Goans to be proud of collectively having accomplished something. Thanks to all for their support. Goa Sudharop www.goasudharop.org World G.O.A.N. network ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] SEZ, walmarts, mandos & mahindras---response to Vivek
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Vivek, Let me reiterate for the benefit of whoever maybe following this discussion, my original premise. That the non-polluting retail sector can pump much needed money and infrastructural development into the Goan economy, and that it aligns perfectly with our tourism industry. Now, let me respond to the issues you have raised. I shall try to keep my counterpoints brief. Firstly, I'm glad we agree on the fact that nothing can be asserted with complete certainty, because your earlier statement was that one of my contentions is "completely false". But let's not belabour old points. Let's move on to the more substantive issues of the debate. 1. Walmart & other big corporations. This seems to be your major bone of contention. To keeps things in perspective, India is far from welcoming this kind of retail. It has only recently opened its doors to single-brand retail, which means while a Marks & Spencers could make an entry, the Walmarts of the world will have to wait. 2. Your premise that Walmart and other such organisations force people into bare minimum wage jobs without access to health-care. Well, that maybe true. You are confining retail sector experience entirely to the American context. There are the IKEAs and Marks and Spencers of this world as well, which uphold the highest standard in human resource management and have become beacons in this respect. Infact, landing a job at Marks & Sparks (as it is affectionately called) is a source of pride in the UK and elsewhere in the world, where M&S sets up shop. 3. Your contention: mega corporations have indeed developed acres of asphalt coated shopping malls by destroying prairies,open wilderness and wetlands. Unfortunately today, progress is synonymous with urbanisation especially in the metro areas. Is it just the retail sector that is responsible for the concretisation of America? And the rest of America is operating out of mud-huts? Will the IT park in Goa, not cut down acres of prime land to set up shop? Will it respect the environment by building eco-friendly mudhuts as their offices? It is only with government restraint, proper town planning and lack of corruption at all levels of government, that we can halt the total destruction of the environment. Otherwise, any big business will take advantage of that vital resource, land. 4. That big box retailers shut down the local "mom & pop" stores. Yes ofcourse they do. But that's the dynamic of free market economies. One can argue that foreign imports are detrimental to home industry but we know from experience that opening up the economy made the Mahindras and Tatas of India, even more fierce and competitive. They thrived in this atmosphere rather than succumbed and where need be, entered into partnership with foreign investment rather than competition. Mom & pop stores will succumb to competition in whichever form it comes, unless mom & pop stores themselves are highly competitive. Lastly, I've resurrected the exact quote from you, that I took utmost umbrage at: VIVEK: cecils post is a excellent and well writen rebuttal to some of the outrageous and absurd advice dished out from all over the world to goans in goa! My advice is neither outrageous nor absurd and while I may not be a Goan in Goa, I am still a Goan.Other than that insult though I think you've raised some excellent points of debate. Elisabeth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Goastalgia ... Friday fairs in the'fifties that fulfilled a function...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I enjoyed reading your article.Its really GREAT. Those wre the days my friend ,they seem to never end . So sad its going going gone. Best wishes. Paul - Read all Goanet messages at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] ROSEFERNS' KONKANI TIATR FOR WORLD GOA DAY IN GERMANY
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. ROSEFERNS' KONKANI TIATR FOR WORLD GOA DAY IN GERMANY The Goan Association Germany celebrated the World Goa Day 2006 on 22 July 06 in the most traditional way, with a cultural offering of a Konkani tiatr "Tumchea Moga Passot", written and directed by Roseferns -billed as the King of Centuries - and enacted by his troupe of eight, who had come from Goa. This is the second year the GAG is celebrating the WGD. Following the speech by Mariano Pereira -the general secretary, and a welcome speech by Matano Gracias -the President, the programe got off with WGD's theme song "Proud to be a Goan" penned by Spain-based Basilio Magno at the request of WGD founder Rene Barreto. The hilarious comedy, interposed with melodious songs, was a special treat for Goans in Germany, who never had the chance of seeing a Konkani tiatr on stage; this is the first time a full Konkani tiatr has been shown there. Roseferns, who is celebrating his 25th year of his brilliant tiatrical career and his 60th dramatic production, had come with his famous troupe, comprising: LAWRY -melody king; ANTONETTE - melody queen, SALLY -ace comedian, SEBY -new comdey prince, TARI - the latest Goan craze, KEZIAH -the favourite of young and old, JAMES VAZ -topmost organist. James was joined by two London based musicians: drummer Pauly, and guitarist Philip. Lending their presence in Germany were also the chairman of Konkani Dramatic Association London Mr. Damciano, and the general secretary Francis D'Silva. It is the KDA that brings the tiatrs from Goa to London, and thanks to their courtesy the GAG brought them to Germany, paying for theier Germany visas and fares from London, and modest professional fees. The Managing Comittee of GAG took care of their board and lodge. Artistically, the Tiatr was a great success and everyone enjoyed it thoroughly, even some of those who were not familiar with Konkani. Some Goans, like in any part of the world, shy of Konkani and do not wish to appear to know the language. But thos who loved Konkani and its mainstay -tiatrs, travelled hundreds of kilometers, coming from far off places like Sturttgart, Kaiserslautern, Bad Willdungen, Bad Kreuznach, Paderborn and Freiburg. Conspicious by their absence were many Goans from Ruesselsheim -a town only 30 kms from Frankfurt-Preun-gesheim, where the tiatr was staged Germany has a small Goan comunity, and to bring a big show like this one goes beyond their financial capabilities. But they had hoped for larger audience. The presence of just 100 or so spectators, and consequent loss to the Goa Association Germany, prompted Francis D'Silva - the general secretary of the Konkani Dramatic Association to offer the GAG a free tiatr of their own in autumn, paying themselves for their travel from London, etc., to help to make up for the loss. Great gesture indeeed, on the part of KDA uk, whose passion it appears to be the promotion of Konkani language through Konkani tiatrs and songs. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] DOCUMENT: Goa government's position on promoting ITin the state... (the official viewpoint)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Goa's late entry into the IT World has an edge over other states and should therefore excel in all its aspirations. Mr. Dayanand Narvekar is a lawyer by profession and it is imperative that he be backed and supported by a panel of highly knowledgeable, skilled and experienced IT Specialists proficient in their profession and connoisseurs of the trade. Mr. Dayanand Narvekar has the potential and the infrastructure required to make it. Go Goa Go - make it happen Ambrosio Dias Doha Qatar --- Read all Goanet messages at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Secular Initiative
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Vidyadhar Gadgil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let us be very clear about one thing: communalism is a beast with an > insatiable appetite. Today it is targeting those who are weakest in Goa > -- 'outsiders', Muslims; tomorrow, strengthened, it will start consuming > its next victims. And unless checked it will not stop till it has > consumed us all. Well written and true. Communalism has reared its ugly head in all sections, not just the most visible (Sangh Parivar). Good luck with the conference on Fighting Communalism in Goa from Aug 12-15. Regards, George ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Viva Goa 2006 - Toronto
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hey Brendan, Forget about the scandals and not-so-pleasant episodes. We have plenty of that everywhere. As they say, a society creates what it celebrates. So many people meeting together half-way-round-the-globe :-) is no mean feat. FN On 31/07/06, Brendan Abreu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone know the exact story as to why the dance > at Viva Goa was shut down suddenly last night and why > all those 30 plus cop cruisers rushed into the parking > lot ? I didnt see any fights going on as per the usual > at a Goa function, nor was there any commotion outside > in the parking lot which is a real surprise -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The goanet atheism drive
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, You are heading for the deep blue sea > and the awaiting shark also kown as Maincho Gho, if > indeed you agree with me w.r.t > insurgents/terrorists...good luck! > > Sunith reponds: > > Mr Menezes, I promise not to use sarcasm in any of > my further mails (which involve your views!). > > In plain boring English let me state: > 1. I agree with your views regarding misuse of the > term Iraqi insurgents/terrorists. > Mario asks incredulously: > Gabe & Vivek, > Have you guys gotten a PR contract from Al Qaeda? Or don't you guys believe anything that Osama and Al Zuwahiri have to say? Have you even heard of a man named Al Masri in the media you follow? > Why are you two twisting the truth about the foreign terrorists in Iraq and trying to use the sectarian violence as a cover up? Sectarian violence is not all that is going on there. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Viva Goa 2006 - Toronto
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On 30/07/06, Brendan Abreu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone know the exact story as to why the dance > at Viva Goa was shut down suddenly last night and why > all those 30 plus cop cruisers rushed into the parking > lot ? I didnt see any fights going on as per the usual > at a Goa function, nor was there any commotion outside > in the parking lot which is a real surprise. > > The only incident that I saw in the afternoon, was a > well dressed goan lady in her late 40's being escorted > by her arm by the Indian Cop across the parking lot > infront of everyone into the back of the police > cruiser, where she was there for quite a while. From > what I heard her telling him was that some guy was > rude to her and I guess she must have not kept quiet, > but the cop kept telling her that she should have > spoken to him quietly. Poor lady must have been > totally embarassed. RESPONSE: Does the GOA Toronto take any action, such as banning these people from future events? This sort of thing takes place here too, from time to time. The last time I complained to the management, I was informed that they could not intervene/interfere as it was a domestic issue!!! For crying out loud, domestic issues should be sorted out at home, or in the kitchen. The management copped out. Incidentally the so called domestic issue ended up in Court, with the prepetrator being locked out and eventually kicked out of the home...so my sources inform me. Also can someone please inform us how much did the entrance cost and how much for parking the cars? It seems to me that the outlay is quite hefty...the GOA Toronto ostensibly with a C.A. at the helm is in control and mindful, or is the Annual affair a give-away? ( loss leader) -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Myths about ancient and modern societies
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Look forward to the re-submission. Then we can decide >about "the hackneyed notion" ani "hollow cliches" >ani tea bhair more! Or if this post is "Pro-science" >and "logical" - really? Aum / Ami rautam tujea borea >respostak. >Aum tujo Goenkar bhau, GL > Gilbert, Sorry, I will not respond in kind to your innuendo in the above post. Regarding the list you provided, it appears you have not looked at any of the actual numbers, because they do not support your case regarding deterioration of morality at all. Plus, some of the items in your list are absurd e.g. medical problems in adults, psychological problems, stress, depression, single-family homes, children brought up in single-family homes, and ADS in children. Most common medical problems have causes that have nothing to do with morality e.g. heart disease, hypertension, diabetes, cancer and stroke. What is the relationship between morality and psychological problems, stress and depression? People living in multi-family housing such as apartment buildings are no more moral than those living in single-family homes. Don't you live in a single-family home? Now if you are referring to single-parent homes then the one of the most common reasons for single parenthood is death of one parent, especially in India, which nobody would consider immoral. Another non-immoral reason is adoption of a postnatal child or a frozen human embryo that would otherwise have been discarded. A third non-immoral reason from the standpoint of the parent would be a child born as a consequence of rape, the single parent being the victim in this case. The three reasons that might be regarded as immoral but only by a puritanical mind focussed on certain notions of sexual morality, are single unwed heterosexual parents, divorced or separated parents, and single homosexual parents. Do you regard these latter reasons as immoral? Also, do you regard divorce because of a failed marriage as immoral? Why is ADS in children immoral? Is it their fault or their parents fault? The inclusion of teenage motherhood actually backfires from your standpoint because before the 1950s, especially in India, every mother was a teenage mother. My great grandmother had 4 kids before the age of 20. Regarding statistical data on the other items you listed, I could not find continuous 100-year data on any of them, except homicide rates. Here are the available statistics on the items you listed for the U.S. I dont have access to Indian data as yet. We can certainly compare the present generation with the prior one, viz. 2000 2004 with 1970 1980. I also have values for the 1930s, 40s or 50s for some of them. I am curious as to why you did not include homicides, rapes and the number of executed prisoners. But here are the actual numbers for your list and more: 1. Divorce rates: 1945 18 per 1000 married women; 1973 23 per 1000 married women; 2001 18 per 1000 married women. 2. Single family homes: Please see above for why this is silly and/or confusing. But regarding single-parent homes: 1970 15% of children live in such homes; 1996 28% of children live in such homes; 3. Unwed and teenage mothers: Unwed mothers: 1957 15.8 live births per 1000 women; 1977 25.1 live births per 1000 women; 2004 23.7 live births per 1000 women. Teenage mothers: 1957 - 97.3 live births per 1000 women; 1970 69.5 live births per 1000 women; 2004 41.9 live births per 1000 women. 4. Children brought up in single family homes: Please see above for why this is silly and/or confusing. 5. Teenage sex: My grandmothers, and all my ancestors, especially the females, had teenage sex. But here are the numbers that I could find: 1982 46.9% females ever had sex, 55.2% (1988) males ever had sex; 2002 45.5 % ever had sex, 45.7 % males ever had sex. Teenage pregnancies: 1976 101.4 per 1000 women; 2000 84.5 per 1000 women. STDs: Syphilis/gonorrhea/chancroid 1950 342 per 100,000; 1970 343 per 100,000; 2003 128 per 100,000. 6. Drug abuse in adults and children: Drug abuse in high school seniors Cigarettes: 1980 - 30.5%; 2004 25% Marijuana: 1980 33.7%; 2004 19.9% Cocaine: 1980 5.2%; 2004 2.3% Inhalants: 1980 1.4%; 2004 1.5% Alcohol: 1980 72%; 2004 48% 7. Abortions on demand: 1976 - 24.2 per 1000 women; 2002 20.8 per 1000 women. 8. Psychologic problems in children incl
[Goanet] SEZ, walmarts and mandos---response to elisabeth
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Elisabeth: I will try to respond to your post as systematically and to the point as I can. I return may I expect that you do the same? EC: Can you verify with utmost certainty that no infrastructural development has taken place in the US, on account of retailers? Me: No, in my opinion in such issues nothing can be ever said with "utmost uncertainity" Walmart and other mega corporations have indeed developed acres of asphlat coated shopping malls by destroying prairies,open wilderness and wetlands. In fact the assertions you make about harlem being "completely" re-energised , "most working class americans welcoming walmart" , "mandos being third rate" are these made with utmost certainity? As i pointed out allmost 275 communities across US have successfuly stopped walmart from "renergising" and "putting life" into their neighborhoods. Not exactly a sign of welcoming isn't it?? Zogby conducted a poll for a union-led group called WakeUpWalMart, asked 1,012 people across the US about their attitudes to Wal-Mart. Of the respondents, 59% said they agreed with the statement that "Wal-Mart is bad for America". Your following statement is a good example : "Two years ago there was nothing but prairie. Today, it is a labyrinth of carefully laid out roads and shops, all undertaken by the retail sector." ME: Please visit the downtown of your area and see if there are any empty malls or empty reail stores. If walmarts and other mega corporations history is any indication probably Walmart will leave that area and destroy another prarie somewhere else, and maybe bring "life" into a community.The impact of a walmart or any other mega corporation on local businesses is devastating. Probably you have not given thought to that side of the story that for every school drop out making a barely minimum wage in any of the big retailer shops there are families who have been ruined economically. EC : "Do you know that partnership loans and subsidies are routinely doled out to retailers actively engaged in developing the community?" ME: Who gives out these subsidies? In fact by colluding with the government and making the tas payer pay for a large part of their own obligations to their employees large retailers have developed their own bank balance. Do you believe that forcing people into near minimum wage jobs without access to good quality health care, destroying natural environment to develop huge retail malls, driving out local Mom and Pop enterprises out of business and contributing to a host of other problems due to what is called "urban sprawl" is "developing the comunity"? You said : "Afterall, it was you who told us that Goans in Goa know what's best for them." Dont put words into other peoples mouth. I am begining to believe that you have a habit of doing so. You called me arrogant insular and myopic for merely seconding cecils viewpont, a viewpoint shared by Sunith and at least one other poster. Your post seems to suggest that I am opposed to NRIs or NRGs giving advice. I never said anything to that effect, I merely expressed my disagreement with some of your views, a position I still hold. I never called walmart and other retailers evil, i merely pointed out that their business practices are detrimental to local businesses, local ecology as well as local culture. Be it immigration law, labor rights, equal oportunity to minorities as well as women walmart has been frequently on the wrong side of law as well as public opinion. Please let me clearly state that I am merely pointing out the "idealism" in your statements regarding the conduct of behemoth retailers like walmart and others and their impact o the small towns in US. Please respond to specfic facts if you please. -vivek __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Annual Goanetters Meet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. We usually hold a meet in end-December. But Dec 24 is too close to Xmas and Dec 31 just before New Year's. We try to have it between Dec 17 and 23, or Dec 27 to 29. Unfortunately, much of the organising falls onto me by default. If someone else is willing to take up the initiative this year, we could work out more plans. (But please don't create ideas and pass on the work to someone else. Those making the suggestions should also be willing to implement!) --FN On 31/07/06, ralph rau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is some kind of Annual Goanetters meet planned? Maybe during the next December > holiday season ? - Sunday 24th or 31st December is a suggestion. The goanet > moderator could shortlist a selection of speakers from amongst the most > prolific contributors. With all the dialogues, debates and diatribes raging > over the web the whole year round it would be good to meet up and shake hands > occassionally before 'ringing the bell' for the next round ? -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Secular Initiative
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. To be more blunt, the 'outsider business', as Gadgil calls it, is a calculated attempt by shrewdies like Manohar Parrikar to win over an influential and eloquent section of Catholic Goan public opinion to his side, while he tries his communal/caste games with the Hindu side of the electorate. And it's not without takers. Just like he did manage to sell his "good governance" mantra to affluent (read, upper claste) Goan Catholics just before the 2002 elections. Many are willing to buy this logic. Chauvinism runs deep (not just in Goa, but across India, in Europe, the US, and many other places where divide-and-rule politics replace all need for ideology or a decent program). FN On 31/07/06, Vidyadhar Gadgil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This 'outsider' business is a red herring, frequently used strategically > by the Sangh Parivar to try and keep people in Goa from uniting against > communal forces. We saw it employed with some success in the case of > Sanvordem-Curchorem; the argument was that 'outsiders' had come into Goa > and disturbed things here, and thus deserved what they got (though this > was not actually said in so many words, it was clearly implied). People > here have been falling for this red herring with depressing regularity. -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Secular Initiative
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 05:27 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > From: George Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Goanet] Secular Iniative Thanks for your interesting comments, George. On one point though, I think some clarifications are in order. > I however support Vivek's view that the initiatives should be lead by > Goans. This point has much validity. But 'Goans' is a very loaded concept. How does one define the term? If one means 'ethnic' Goans, then about 60-70% of the people involved with organising the workshop are Goans. If one means people who live round the year in Goa and have been doing so for years and are actively involved with social issues in Goa, then 100% of the organisers are Goans. And the panel on Goa comprises 'Goans', whichever way you define it. Many of the resource persons for the workshop are from outside Goa, and a respected and noted national-level anti-communal organisation was brought in, because we felt the need for a national perspective -- Goa is not an island, isolated from the rest of India. And Goa is now confronting the kind of organised political communalism which has been rampant in the rest of India for some time. There is much to learn from experience elsewhere if we are to successfully combat this monster. This 'outsider' business is a red herring, frequently used strategically by the Sangh Parivar to try and keep people in Goa from uniting against communal forces. We saw it employed with some success in the case of Sanvordem-Curchorem; the argument was that 'outsiders' had come into Goa and disturbed things here, and thus deserved what they got (though this was not actually said in so many words, it was clearly implied). People here have been falling for this red herring with depressing regularity. Let us be very clear about one thing: communalism is a beast with an insatiable appetite. Today it is targeting those who are weakest in Goa -- 'outsiders', Muslims; tomorrow, strengthened, it will start consuming its next victims. And unless checked it will not stop till it has consumed us all. Let us all come together to tackle this menace. Regards, Vidyadhar -- Question everything -- Karl Marx ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Vipassana Meditation in Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. We have a few Goanetters themselves into Vipassana meditation. Including Mario & Muriel Mascarenhas. FN PS: Copying this mail to some of them. On 31/07/06, ralph rau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does any goa based netter know where the Vipassan meditators meet for > group sittings in Goa ? > > Kind Regards, > > Ralph -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa: English Medium Primary Education for Better Future
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. English Medium Primary Education for Better Future By Cypriano Lopes, Santa Cruz, Goa Goans were well known for their English language skills, and were most sought after in India and abroad. They have excelled in jobs and services. That is how in the good old days Goans could earn their living in Bombay, East Africa, U.K. and Gulf countries. Job opportunities were hard to come by for them in their native land. The only option left was migration to avoid starvation at home. That is why you find Goans scattered all over the world. These were ordinary Goans, who by their sheer hard work, devotion to duty and honesty, coupled with their mastery over the English language were able to carve a niche for themselves in diverse fields. The end result was, the economic uplift of their brethren at home. With one earning member abroad, entire Goan families could eke out a decent living, and at times, even live in style. The missionaries played a vital role in English education in India. Jesuit run schools and colleges were the most sought after. Admission to these institutions meant a sure ticket to success. India's most successful politicians and bureaucrats owe their upward mobility in society to the Jesuit run institutions. In Goa the Diocesan and Archdiocesan schools contributed immensely to the emancipation of the masses. The less privileged common people were able to educate their children, as these schools were established in every village and town. The children of the socio-economically backward classes were thus able to brush shoulders with their peers, who were well off economically and educated in the best of schools in India and abroad. Alas, the dreams of the economically weaker sections of society were shattered in 1990. The High Court order forced the private primary schools to pay the same pay scales as the government schools. When the private primary schools approached the government for grants, the government was willing to give grants only to vernacular medium primary schools, and the same were denied to English medium primary schools. The Diocesan and Archdiocesan schools who were pioneers of English medium education, without giving a second thought overnight switched over to Konknni medium to avail grants. The catastrophic effects, of the switch over to Konknni medium, are for every one to see. The entire education system has turned topsy-turvy. The haves prefer to send their wards to the mushrooming English medium primary schools. Whereas the have-nots, have no other option, than to educate their children in the vernacular medium schools run by the Church. In Goa the Church runs schools that have their pre-primary nurseries in English. Then the child is made to switch over to Konknni at the primary level and then again it is English medium at the secondary level, higher secondary and college level. Why are the children made to pay for the follies of someone else? Why is Konknni medium sandwiched between pre-primary and secondary level? What is the logic behind this irrational and illogical education system? In the bargain the child is burdened with shifting of medium. What for? Is it to satisfy the false egos of a few language protagonists? Why are the poor parents not given a choice to choose what is best for their children? What sort of future generations are we trying to produce with more and more emphasis on vernacular medium of instruction instead of science and maths? In this age of globalization, where comparative costs determine the economic health of a nation, the need of the hour is to build human resource base of technically sound, efficient and result oriented individuals. We have to invest in education that lays more stress on research and development. Because it is from here that cutting edge technologies evolve and economies grow by leaps and bounds. Why are we wasting the child's time and skills in changing medium of instruction and hamper their intellectual growth? Years after the vernacular medium policy was introduced in Goa, wards of economically backward communities continue to suffer. The English advantage they enjoyed, has vanished and students who otherwise scored well in English fail miserably in SSC & HSSC exams. The economic health of these marginalized sections of society is pathetic. They are left with no choice but to seek low paid jobs in Goa and elsewhere. They are exploited to the hilt wherever
[Goanet] Viva Goa 2006 - Toronto
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Does anyone know the exact story as to why the dance at Viva Goa was shut down suddenly last night and why all those 30 plus cop cruisers rushed into the parking lot ? I didnt see any fights going on as per the usual at a Goa function, nor was there any commotion outside in the parking lot which is a real surprise. The only incident that I saw in the afternoon, was a well dressed goan lady in her late 40's being escorted by her arm by the Indian Cop across the parking lot infront of everyone into the back of the police cruiser, where she was there for quite a while. From what I heard her telling him was that some guy was rude to her and I guess she must have not kept quiet, but the cop kept telling her that she should have spoken to him quietly. Poor lady must have been totally embarassed. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Ghettos of the Mind ...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. When terror strikes, tolerance takes a hit too. Is the *hatespeak* drowning out the voices of moderation? See: http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/ml.asp?Ref=VE9JTS8yMDA2LzA3LzMwI0FyMDExMDE=&Mode=HTML&Locale=english-skin-custom Publication: Times Of India Mumbai Date: 30/07/2006 Section: Special Report Page Number: 11 IDENTITY CRISIS Caught in the middle and nowhere to go Ashwin Ahmad | TNN My parents yoked me to the idea of a secular India before I was even born. My mother, in a stinging refutation of Samuel Huntington's theory, named me Ashwin. ''Ashwin Ahmad,'' she said. ''Rolls off the tongue, doesn't it.'' And so it was. Without having done anything I had been born special. As my father said, ''There may be many Ashwins and many Ahmads, but hardly anyone will have the two together.'' As far as I knew, my father was right. Puffed up like a peacock, I straddled my dual 'religiosity' with pride, along with a few fibs. ''We celebrate Diwali and Eid. Yes, we go to both mandirs and masjids,'' I mentioned to my awestruck friends (though we went to neither). ''You must be very tired then,'' the more perceptive among them observed. At any rate, I revelled in my 'cool' status. Marx, I thought, was right. This stuff was heady opium and I was, as the jingle goes, lovin' it. I soon realised my 'difference' came with its baggage. In Saudi Arabia, we got crank calls — people wanted to know what faith we practised. Did we drink at home? Did we have beef or pork? What 'gods' did we worship? But it didn't matter then. I flattered myself by thinking how important I was. A salaam or a namaste from me could mean victory for either 'side'. These modern-day crusades, I sighed mockingly. But since such queries were so immature, I could never really take offence. My religion, as I delighted in telling anyone who asked, was football. But this fairytale world did not last. As I began working in India in 1997, the Wilde wit, with which I had previously parried off questions about my religious identity, suddenly no longer amusing. Increasingly, I found myself having to become a spokesperson for everything all Muslims did all over India and abroad. ''Why do Muslims always support Pakistan?'' I don't know. ''Why do you people keep four wives but pray five times?'' I don't know, and I don't see the connection. ''Has your mother converted? Most people do in these mixed marriages, you know,'' said an elderly man learnedly. ''No, I don't know! Why don't you phone and ask her,'' was what I wanted to say. But I said nothing. At first, I treated these questions as ignorant and impertinent but something I had to get used to. I followed the example of my hero Superman. He had his kryptonite and I had mine. Of course, then it didn't hurt so much. I didn't connect what was happening in the outside world with my life. This was the India where my parents, my uncle, my father's aunt, had had mixed marriages. Nothing anyone said or did could alter our freedom to do that, and be, just be! But things did change. Perhaps I was at fault. In my naivete, I thought being ''confused'', as one Muslim acquaintance put it, would carry me through. It had for 25 years of my life. I had eaten and drunk, loved and lived with people without bothering who they were. But the world, it seemed, had suddenly become very bothered with who I was, a fact I learnt while house-hunting. Eyeing my faux Calvin Klein shirt and Omega watch, property dealers sprang out of their somnambulistic state, only to recoil when they heard the surname. Nahin ho sakta. Aap wahan Zakir Nagar mein try kijiye. What amazed me was their matter-of-fact attitude. It was as though they were doing a jigsaw puzzle, where all pieces had to be put in their proper place. At first I rebelled. But being James Dean got me nowhere. I didn't want to be a rebel without a home. It took my mother with her bindi and crisp sari to convince my Muslim-hating landlady that wife and I were kosher. So, for the sake of a home, I slipped my cosmopolitan identity under the pillow and listened silently as the landlady harangued about ''terrorists, dirty Muslims, all of whom deserved to be hanged and killed''. I let my wife sign the rent agreement, and ensured the cheques were made out in the name of 'Vishal' — her maiden name. I put no plaque outside the door or the letter-box. If anyone asked, I was Ashwin. The Ashwin had effaced the Ahmad. And
Re: [Goanet] Myths about ancient and modern societies
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Gilbert Lawrence wrote: I was completely flabbergasted to have recently discovered, three Goanetters (and likely a few more) who masquerade as atheists. Sunith reponds: Gilbert please wake up to the times because you seem to be horrified, flabbergasted and upset a great deal when you hear views which oppose you own. Obviously, I beleive your views belong to the dark ages. Gilbert Lawrence wrote: I will excuse Sunith, as the guy is too young to know about Catholicism or atheism. At his age, many are atheists. It helps with their social life. Remember amchem tempar? :=)) Sunith reponds: The above statement implies. 1. That you accuse me of living an "immoral" lifestlye and seem to know alot about my social life. 2. In tumchem tempar, either you were an atheist and/or your friends(acquaintances) were. 3. It clearly proves my point that your attitude is found mostly in old people. The only reason I said I was young was to prove my point and not for any kind of sympathy from fellow netters. Well the bomb has dropped, and this is going to seriously affect your chances of cannonisation. Please remember that I will not be cowed by insults. It just bores me to stoop to your level. Regards Sunith Velho Panjim-Goa P.S. The Afterlife and soul are also concepts that satanists and other forms of non accepted worship hold as their pillars. For the sake of christians the world over, don't generalise and be SPECIFIC! Always. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Debate between Mario G and Elizabeth C re atheists
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: > > Dear Mario, > > Here is the question in very simple English, once > again. What does Manmohan Singh saving India have to > do with atheists? > Mario responds: > Elisabeth, You are beginning to sound like Bosco who DEMANDS answers to questions that have already been answered. > Let me try again. > Manmohan Singh saving India has NOTHING to do with atheists. That is point one. > How my atheist friends got involved is because I was assuring them that I respected them even though I was THANKING GOD PUBLICLY ON A WORLDWIDE FORUM that Mr. Singh was able to rescue India. > THANKING GOD? GODLESS ATHEISTS? GET IT? > The atheists are suddenly leaderless on Goanet and need all the respect and assurances we can give them. > Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it:-)) > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Myths about ancient and modern societies (S)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Sunith, Some of us, mortals, have to earn a living. The last line of my first response to you, stated that the second part of the response was coming. >From your hasty response, we now know, you have access to all data all over >the world. So, please let's work the assignment. I am indeed waiting for my >"whole ill structured argument will collapse". Please keep your responses >short, sweet and to the point. Please do not duck the questions with >historical societies and those we are not fully familiar with. Keep that, and >the verbosity for your English profs when you get to England. Likely, the only thing you know about Hill Billies and Hamish societies is perhaps how to spell their names... even that's suspect. (It should be Hillbilly and Amish). In your emotional reaction to respond, you have totally failed again to understand the gist of my posts. I am requesting you to compare CURRENT traditional societies and socio-economically advanced societies. These are the best terms that most goanetters will understand for the two groups. Please do not be argumentative about the semantics, in an attempt to duck the issue. Ami Goenkars are very good at this. Congrats for going to Kings College, London, for your Masters. Long before you were born, I've been there (London) and done that (got my Royal College degrees). Do not be too excited till you have passed those competitive exams. So for now, your plans to go to Kings College, London will impress only your Mundkars and other tenements. :=)) Aum / Ami rautam tujea borea respostak. Kind Regards, GL --- velho wrote Sunith responds: please point out a single source of information (except for Fox News of course!!) that you, Santosh or Elisabeth have access to and I dont, I would highly appreciate it. I'm moving to Kings College, London in September to do my masters. I will then sign off London, UK instead of Panjim, Goa. Bad news buddy One of the pillars of your whole ill structured argument will collapse. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Annual Goanetters Meet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Is some kind of Annual Goanetters meet planned? Maybe during the next December holiday season ? - Sunday 24th or 31st December is a suggestion. The goanet moderator could shortlist a selection of speakers from amongst the most prolific contributors. With all the dialogues, debates and diatribes raging over the web the whole year round it would be good to meet up and shake hands occassionally before 'ringing the bell' for the next round ? ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Myths about ancient and modern societies
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Gibert Lawrence: Sunith thinks I work with the same efficiency as my computer. Now he knows, that my e-mail response is a little faster than snail mail. He is actually lucky, because some don?t even get my response. Only the respected ones do. (half of the 10% of e-mails that I read). Sunith Responds: No offence intended Mr. Lawrence. Just that I forget I'm probably the only lucky goa-netter who is idle throughtout the day and will be so till I commence my studies in September. I quit my job (after two years without leave...) so I really dont know what to do with my free time, after all one can only spend so many hours on swimming, trekking, sudoku, feni and food. Regards Sunith Velho Panjim-Goa ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The Global in the Local and Vice-Versa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Basilio saib, You have to admit that the dialogue on Goanet w.r.t. this thread has been thoughtful. What disrespect has been shown, has been shown to some of the short-sighted ideas(very clearly!). Certain issues like big retail chains will lead to a colourful debate even among members of the same town. Regards Sunith Velho Panim-Goa --- Basilio G Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >A thoughtful and respectful dialogue, preferably without the colorful >language, between those who reside in Goa and those > who reside > outside Goa, will serve well for the prosperity of > that cornice > called Goa > Basilio Monteiro ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] World Goa DAy 2006
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi, Just want to enquire if there's anything happening in Goa/Bombay in conjunction with World Goa Day 2006. Could anyone send me some info as I will be in India for a brief visit around the weekend of the 21st Aug. and would like to participate as I have not managed to find five other goans in Malaysia !! Thanks. Viveca. (Malaysia) Let me be a ripple in the silent stream of your memory~~~Vi. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Last Bus to Hyderabad
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Brian 'Last Bus to Vasco' Mendonca read his poems yesterday evening Sat 29 July 2006, at 6 pm, in the picturesque environs of the Secunderabad Sailing Club. Brian is here at the invitation of the Poetry Society Hyderabad. The event was hosted by Mrs G N Ruttonsha and Prof Lakshmi Chandra. Overlooking the angry Hussain Sagar lake, with crests of white foam, the rains beat over the banyan tree as the drenched crow swooped overhead. After an elaborate high tea, a goodly crowd of 50+ poetry lovers gathered under chandeliers to hear the sound of the last bus on its way to vasco. Prof Isaac Sequeira a goan and UGC professor emeritus introduced brian. a terrific CD system recreated the ambience of NH 17 and 'pantulems' received high praise for its fishy allusion. the deep hall echoed with laughter at 'On the run' and 'UIMCF'. discarding the dais, brian yanked his chair just upfront near the seated semicircle, and read his poems to a mesmerized audience, who hadn't quite seen anything like it before. the interaction was spirited and one gent observed 'i have not heard such music in poetry before'. meenakshi mukherjee called for a rendering of some poems which were not in the book. brian obliged with 'Traveller' and 'Srinagar 1998'. 'Imagery, music, laughter, song -- so beautifully put together!' -- wrote DGP Ms Aruna Bahuguna who took the time to come for a while. 'Some of your poems are so deep, while some others are so simple' observed another. brian responded saying, 'the ordinary is poetic.' the rainswept evening recalled brian's reading at cafe literati calangute on the previous saturday 22 july . . . the bells of st andrews ushered the evening to a close, by which time dark had overtaken the dusk. 10 copies of Last Bus to Vasco: Poems from Goa were sold at the event and 4 among friends in Hyderabad so far. the traveller-poet does another reading at 5.30 pm today (Sunday, 30 july) at the premises of his alma mater, the Central Institute of English and Foreign Languages (CIEFL) -- where brian did his PhD on madness in the Gothic novel -- before catching the 3.40 a.m. flight back to delhi. to be in time for work come monday. . . . ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Of Sharks and Mothers Husbands
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Gabe writes: Yes, You are heading for the deep blue sea and the awaiting shark also kown as Maincho Gho, if indeed you agree with me w.r.t insurgents/terrorists...good luck! Sunith responds: Thanks for the heads up Mr. Menezes, but I believe ambot-tik is on the menu for lunch today. Regards Sunith Velho Panjim-Goa ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Viva Goa: big boglant! (news)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Arrre Fred bab.Viva Goa was a big boglant this year. Me go Viva Goa for date with Aunty Pointybut could not find her in the crowd of auntysI tell you, too much auntys this yearbetter than Miramarand Calangute in May. Big linup for Ladies c*mao. And I waited and waited at the PetroMAX stall for Aunt, Mervyn, Kevin, Holga, Dotor Fator, Eagle eyed Blastco.big boglant...no one showed upand it was feeling hot hot hot in my dotremso my magic dotrem turned me into a invisible Goan Crowarrree...what view sangta tukasitting on Eugens broad shoulders, always on the edge because I was afraiding Eugens Dubai-Bermuda greens pants were about to slip down...you know...quiet a dangerous international situaiton no? In all the heat and soo many auntysno heartfelt regret not lining up with Pointy. Lots of class matesPosorkar and hot Soccourinasangta tukamini skirt, complete through-seethen there was Dona Taudilina (I hope that lal bauto maushi in Philly not get hot with me ok)was guspotalem at the Dom Kitchen's chooris stall; even badkans like chooris pau these days. I spied Dada Shembu Cuncolkar eating choris pau. Overall, almost 3/4th less people from previous year..Bogmolo win footballwith all the hot maushis cheeringlast ditch penalty save by Glenville de Boglolo, nephew of Peter Vallesbetter than Bartez. So much, I can't say more.while Mervyns angelic daughter gave me a knowing wink of approval, said 'I know the barking dog'. What would a gathering of Goans be without the usual late arrival, happy faces, aimless gossip, innuendo, some tension, old animosityand no urrak!!! If any of you doubt our unique culture is at a low point, you are on the dot.aside from the laboured dekni, the odd kunbi songs..sadly the next generation it seems has embraced rap! The invisible Goan crow will wait another year for a date with Aunty *sigh*. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Those were the days !!!
CILEDUG RAYA, JAKARTA, INDONESIA. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Tel: +(62)-21- 7365312 Fax : +(62)-21- 7365310 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/attachments/20060731/95c6b8ca/attachment.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Harmony Concert at Kala Academy on August 7 at 7 pm
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hamara Project is organising a Harmony Concert at Kala Academy on August 7 at 7 pm. It will feature both Indian and Western music. Hamara Project is a venture undertaken by the Goa Branch of Kasturba Gandhi National Memorial Trust. In addition to Hamara School, a centre for underprivileged children in St. Inez, which has been functioning successfully for a number of years, the NGO is now getting ready to start a hostel for underprivileged/homeless children in Taleigao. They have been allotted an abandoned school by the Education Department which needs a complete renovation, adding of bathrooms, kitchen etc. A grant from the German Government has been received for the entire equipment, furniture etc., however, the total cost of renovating the school building has to be raised by Hamara Project. Many excellent musicians have spontaneously agreed to support the cause, and the entire proceeds of this very special concert will go to the existing school as well as the upcoming hostel. Tickets will also be available with Ana Maria de Souza- Goswami. Tel: 24178947/9326126586 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Australian goans, i need your tips.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. HI goanet readers, I am a regular viewer of goanet news. I am presently working in verna. I am happy to inform you all that i got permanent residency visa for australia. I am planning to land on last week of october. I am planning to stay for 2 years initially. dear Australian goans, if possible plz give me some references of vacancy of job in your company for "toolmaker" or "machinist". And also if in any chance there is vacancy in bachelors accomodation. please ask to your fellow mates & friends if possible. at this moment i am very much hoping ur reply. With warm regards, Jyotiba Patil Ponda, Goa ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Guns in the hands of angry people
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. What a masterpiece!!! We look forward to many more gems like this from George Menezes. Regards Rock Furtado [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ritanabooks.com - Original Message - From: "Goanet Reader" > Guns in the hands of angry people > > George Menezes > > There was a time when I carried a gun. A real beauty. A > Wembley 303. It was something I had no difficulty in > acquiring as I was an ex-Indian Air Force officer ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Hitler, Stalin, and Other Devout Christians
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Cornel referred to "rock solid Christians like Hitler, Stalin" Cornel, Just when I thought this discussion was getting way too heated you injected a perfect dose of humour! :-) Thanks, Peter D'Souza ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The secret of a goanetter's moral superiority
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On Sat Jul 29 12:48:35 PDT 2006, Joe Vaz wrote: Re: The secret of a goanetter's moral superiority . >From : Sent : Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:13:43 AM To : jfvaz at hotmail.com ATTACHMENT : body.zip (0.06 MB) . I hope this post goes through on the Goanet forum, to expose the malicious intent and clandestine yet virulent tactics used by these characters -- to victimize netters who might not agree with their convoluted advocacies. RESPONSE: Joe, in July 2005 you communicated with Goanet Admin and I did communicate with you. We concluded the above message was SPAM and not a message you were receiving from Goanet or any other Goanetter. 12 months later you choose to resurrect this canard and jeopardise your reputation ? I certainly hope nobody (including Mervyn) will respond to this public provocation by you. I'm requesting you to kindly pursue this thread offline (like Mervyn) with whomsoever you wish to and spare Goanet(ters) this trivial exchange. If you have any further comments, please direct them to Goanet Admin. Thank you - Bosco Goanet Admin ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Secular Iniative
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Secular initiatives I have seen Vivek's post on Secular initiatives after the Curchorem riots I cannot comment on the Milli Council but I have been to Gujarat in the thick of the genocide including a visit to the Best Bakery that left be shattered. I have spent time with Rohit Prajapati and his team just as a spent time to visit a mosque to talk to Muslim leaders I am not sure thaht Rohit can be dubbed as "anti anything that is Hindu" Would be nice to get the opinion of Fr.Cedric Prakash sj, winner of several Peace Awards I however support Vivek's view that the initiatives should be lead by Goans. Blessed are the Peace Makers.. George Menezes ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] George Menezes Latest Gem!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Sir, Yet another "makes one think" article from the inimitable George Menezes.His entertaining style of writing and describing even the most mundane of matters is.what can I say...makes me look forward to his next one.! Thank You George, and please dont stop!!! ever...!=20 Sincerely, -- Read all Goanet messages at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] SEZ and huge retailers - response to Vivek
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Vivek, If you are going to counter an argument, perhaps you should stay away from the hyperbole. "Completely false"? Can you verify with utmost certainty that no infrastructural development has taken place in the US, on account of retailers? Do you know that partnership loans and subsidies are routinely doled out to retailers actively engaged in developing the community? Do you know that Target in Minnesota has just donated the biggest wing to the Minnesota Institute of Art, not to mention the Target Conference center and its deep involvement with the community from education to welfare. Did you know that Harlem has been completely re-engergised by the investment retailers have made? I don't even have to go as far as Harlem to state my case. I have only to look outside my own window. Two years ago there was nothing but prairie. Today, it is a labyrinth of carefully laid out roads and shops, all undertaken by the retail sector. You then go on to state Walmart as your primary example of how evil retailers are. Well, Walmart may have its detractors but most working-class Americans welcome Walmart with open arms. If Walmart did not exist, then those high-school drop-outs that work there and earn at least a minimum wage, would be out somewhere else doing far worse that shelving merchandise. Perhaps it may interest you to know that I have been to Bombay Bazaar. It's precisely because no one has taken the time and effort to develop the retail sector that you can cite a shop (not even a Bazaar), as your foremost retailer in Goa. If Bombay Bazaar employs only "non-Goans", perhaps it's because no one has really worked out any incentive or penalty for not employing Goans. Maybe Goans in Goa are happy with this status quo. Afterall, it was you who told us that Goans in Goa know what's best for them. Yes, no doubt there are Goans employed on those ferry cruises. You know what? I rather Goans were employed as accountants, administrators, bank officers, human resource managers, sales managers, shop floor managers, than have them serving drinks to flatulent tourists onboard the ferry or singing third rate mandos to them. To each his own dreams eh? Elisabeth --- --- Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > She writes: > > "You'll be surprised how much of infrastructural > development in the USA takes place on account of > huge > retailers that will take ownership of whole towns > and > bring life into them." > > The above statement is completely false. > Walmart in the US is widely responsible for flooding > the market with cheap made in China and driving > local > businesses to bankruptcy. To give you a perspective > within 10 years of walmart coming to Iowa, the state > lost 555 Grocery stores > 298 Hardware stores > 293 Building Supply Stores > 161 Variety Stores > 158 Women's Apparel stores > 153 Shoe Stores > 116 Drug Stores > 111 Men's and Boys Apparel store > > The wages paid by Walmart are barely legal and > almost > 60% of its employees are not covered for health > benefits. > > far from developing any infrastructure behemoth > corporations like Walmart and Home depot and others > have completely destroyed local infrastructure and > created a unmanageable urban sprawl.No wonder over > 277 > communities across US have successfuly stopped > walmart > from setting shop in their locality. many others > have > tried and failed. > > The idea that big retailers will develop > infastructure > is very idealistic :-) > > next time you are in Goa please visit Bombay bazaar. > The owner is a non goan and most of the staff I have > encountered there is non goan, jobs which could be > easily filled by Goans.Contrast that with mandovi > ferryboat rides and you will find much more Goans > employed there. > > -vivek > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___ > Goanet mailing list > Goanet@lists.goanet.org > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/lis
Re: [Goanet] viva goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. It *is* sometimes difficult to see what's happening from half-way round the globe, Eugene. Specially when one has been short-sighted/myopic since Standard II and the age of seven years old! Sorry for missing you out, my friend. No offence meant. FN PS: Can we have any photos from Viva Goa? Can someone upload them to http://flickr.com On 30/07/06, Eugene Correia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fred mentioned some names of goanetters but missed me > (ha, ha). -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Jazeera Airways Kuwait-Bombay
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. -- JoeGoaUK worte on 21Jul: Jazeera Airways: Kuwait Pvt. Airline launched low cost flights from Kuwait City to New Delhi and Bombay on 3rd July 2006. 6 times a week to Bombay 3 times a week to Delhi Leaves KWI 22:50 arrives BOM 0530hrs Leaves BOM 0615 arrives KWI 0800hrs Leaves DEL 0520 arrives KWI 0705hrs Jazeeraairways.com Kuwaitkars, Pl check if this is any better than the ill- famed Indian or Indian Airlines. === My comments: My neighbours travelled Air Jazeera on 04 and 17 July. The aircraft are brand new hence interiors better than Kuwait air. The starting fare is US dollars 175/-(Rs 8000/-)or Kuwait dinar 50 including taxes(one-way). Which is about half the fare charged by Kuwait airways. The fare increases for the next block of 10/20 seats. Hence book early for lower fares Booking (rates displayed)can be done through internet (you save KD 5/-) http://book.jazeeraairways.com Being a no-frills airline, free food is not served. A sandwich costs KD1 and fruit juice 250 fils, Tea/Coffee 500 fils and mineral water is free which is a little more than double the cost on land in Kuwait. 20 kg of checked in baggage and 6 kg of hand baggage is allowed free. The in flight attendants were mostly Goan girls and they even conversed/joked with the passengers, some even in Konkanni !!, unlike Kuwait airways. Currently the flights to Mumbai are full while the ones to Kuwait are half full which implied that while returning to Kuwait some passengers carried (and were allowed) much much more than the excess 6 kg hand baggage in the aircraft. Also their hand baggage was not weighed, both ways. Their arrival and departure were about 30 minutes earlier then scheduled. Cheers Joseph Fernandes Mumbai ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Accomodation in London
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I am looking for some help with accomodations in London, around EastHam.If anyone could help kindly let me know.Thank-you. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Whats the Solution for Goa ?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Goanetites, Like to acknowledge this platform which has made it so easy to discuss and come out with ideas. We need to use this platform to brainstorm and come up with ideas where we goans reform to be the spine of Goa* in Goa* and extend this to where ever we are in various cities toens and villages across the globe. We can begin by all of us across boundaries send in ther ideas. For the implementation part form a team coordinating in Goa. All of us set the ball rolling and we need to be on the field to play this game. We could contribute in whatever small way we can from where we are. Lets stop to use this phrase " Goa going going gone... Similar to the way the media has been " Mumbai Spirit " .and blah blah BE careful how we use words, language. these words get into the system and becomes reality in the long run. So let take care of what we say and lets get cracking. One gr8 step is that we have the statistics, the facts and figures. The thought process has begun amonst us which is gr8 and so is the intention i can feel it. We now begin by all of us across boundaries send in their ideas. For the implementation part we could form a team coordinating in Goa. First lets ask ourselves the right questions ? The right questions will take us to the necessary goal. I have a few Questions simple question we can ask ourselves and contribute with our ideas: Do we really want to do something for the betterment of Goa ? Is our intentions strong ? What possibilities are we Goans creating for goa ? Where does Goa ( we) stand now ? Where does Goa ( we) have to go from here ? whats the gap ? How do we ( Goa) bridge the gap ? SO now what steps to take ? What benchmark do we set ? What actions need to be carried out ? All this in continuous periodic manner. So let take care of what we say and lets get cracking. One gr8 step is that we have the statistics, the facts and figures. The thought process has begun amonst us which is gr8 and so is the intention i can feel it. We need to work out a plan in Form, Distance, Time to see the Reality. We need to visualise and dream what type of Goa we are looking at in the years to come, maybe 5 years from now. Thereafter again rethink and plan for the next 5 years and so on. We could define the time frame as 5 or 3 or 10 ... Let stop worrying about wheher it will happen. Lets brainstorm and bring all ideas together, the intention of everyone put together is a very powerful system. It will create the means to realise our dreams. It should be a powerful prayer. We should have specialists in their respectiive fields vision out, contribute for each segment. we then consolidate and create teams in each respective area to be developed and implemented in an organised manner in goa. State, District, Local Panchayat level, wado level whichever way seems appropriate ITS POSSIBLE. Who am I I am a possibility and stand for Responsibility, Harmony and Peace for this mission. Sales, PR and Marketing is my Profession. Coordination and bringing people together are my Skills. Singing, dancing and Communication are my Talents. My Goal in life is to be a friend, supporter and above all a human being. Hope you guys will support and help me be part of our Mission. Thank you. Regards, Jocelyn Britto. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] MONDAY MUSE (24 July 2006): SPEAK WITH CAUTION
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. MONDAY MUSE (24 July 2006) SPEAK WITH CAUTION The dastardly serial-bomb attacks on Mumbai and Srinagar have distressed everybody. The actions of disturbing peace underline the anti-humanity attitudes of terrorists. No rationale can justify the killing of innocents. The attacks on our civilization must be fought with determination and solidarity. The concern is reflected in the many messages we receive on our cellular phones and e-mail. However, sometimes we receive a totally misguided missive and here is an attempt to clear the thought pollution. Every XYZ (referring to a religious community) is not a terrorist but why is every terrorist a XYZ? Awaken India! The above short message is long on dangerous rhetoric which needs to be challenged and countered immediately. Just consider the assassinations of Mahatma Gandhi, Abraham Lincoln, JFK, Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi and other famous leaders. What religion did the killers belong to? Is it logical to cast prejudiced accusations on a person, just because he belongs to the same religion as the terrorist? It is pertinent to note that this loose talk is corrupting our thinking which eventually provokes actions. Surely, such talk too can be described as verbal terrorism for it murders basic human values and discriminates against fellow human beings. One day, we may be stopped in our tracks by a maniacal mob and be confronted with the questions Whats your religion? Same as ours? Or different like theirs? And our lives will depend on our answers and their religion! We must ask ourselves whether we have learnt any lessons from the numerous killings, brutal attacks and rapist rioting, born of divisive religious fanaticism Lets refrain from bigoted, intolerant and partisan talk For it is the spiteful talk that inspires the spiteful walk We must be sensitive and sensible in every spoken reaction Combating terrorism needs us to speak through action! Regards Pravinda 24 July 2006, Goa. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Of lemons, bricks and melons: don't write offanyone as mediocre
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. The article by Andrew Dias from Singapore pinpoints one major problem in our schools and that is absolutely lack of counselling; I am personally not far out from Andrew academically, but professionally life is quite different. Children sometimes develop late and in India academic performance is what is all about. We all seem to be trained to work for others. As far as practical training is concerned I had tried to get admission in St Vincent's technical school in Poona but the priest in charge would not bother to talk or provide a form for admission. In actual life the practical hands on approach pays much better and very much in demand. I hope that all the schools in our villages have ITI institutions where children can take a more practical approach to their studies than the dreadful thought of going through exams and obtaining marks that are very low and degrees on subjects where they do not have any aptitude. Tom de Sousa, HK. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Vipassana Meditation in Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Does any goa based netter know where the Vipassan meditators meet for group sittings in Goa ? Kind Regards, Ralph ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] WORLD GOA DAY -2006 - message - John D'Souza
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. WORLD GOA DAY -2006 - message 000 Dear Rene, It gives me great pleasure on behalf of Margao-Net to congratulate all Goans the world over on this 7th Anniversary of World Goa Day. It goes without saying that it was only after your persistent efforts that this came about. This is a very important day for Goans for it gives them an opportunity to reflect on this day on who they are, their great cultural and historic heritage and to teach and pass on to the next generation the great Goan traditions orally. Furthermore, the Day also affords an opportunity to Goans outside Goa to gather and come together to exchange views, news and to partake of Goan delicacies which are made on such special occasions. Your idea of an Alliance of World Goan Organisations is long overdue and will go a long way to unite and gather the Goans on one platform. Margao-Net fully supports your efforts and will fully cyber-support you to achieve this goal. You may add Margao-Net as one of the first members of the Alliance of World Goan Organisations (AWGO). Warm regards and all the best. John D'Souza Moderator Margao-Net , oo messages on www.goatoronto.com WORLD GOA DAY http://www.goaday.com 00 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Re Goanet Reader: Let me be honest, I am mortally scared (George Menezes)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Thanks for the interesting information of my dear friend George Menezes. He was previously Sqadron Leader George menezes befor he joined Hoechst India. Regards, john carmo rodrigues -- Read all Goanet messages at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Catholic women face excommunication
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. "A majority of Catholic respondents to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll taken just after the death of Pope John Paul II last year said they favored ordination of women." See news story at http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060730/ap_on_re_us/ordaining_women ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa news for July 31, 2006
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Goa offers incentives to lure IT cos (New Kerala) Panaji, Jul 26: Goa government has offered various incentives to lure Information Technology companies to set up their ventures into the state, the Legislative Assembly was informed today. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=28997 *** BJP demands notificiation banning plaster of paris idols (New Kerala) Panaji: The BJP in Goa today demanded that the state government issue a notification regarding its decision to ban plaster of paris idols of Lord Ganesh due to the ecological hazards of the material. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=30453 *** Goa to get monorail project: Minister (New Kerala) Panaji: The state government will go in for a monorail project based on the Mass Rapid Transit System, Goa transport minister Pandurang Madkaikar told the state Assembly today. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=29417 *** Goa withdraws affidavit as a domicile proof for foreigners (New Kerala) Panaji: In the wake of increasing land purchase by foreign nationals in Goa, the state government has withdrawn the provision of submitting affidavit as domicile proof for registration of deeds by foreigners. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=29882 *** Goa offers incentives to lure IT cos (The Economic Times) PANAJI: Goa government has offered various incentives to lure Information Technology companies to set up their ventures into the state, the Legislative Assembly was informed on Thursday. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1815842.cms *** 13 children's homes in Goa enjoy foreign fundings: Minister (New Kerala) Panaji, July 27: Goa has 24 children's homes of which 13 are enjoying foreign fundings, state Women and Child Development Minister Subhash Shirodkar said in the Assembly today. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=29501 *** Goa moving towards zero revenue deficit: CM (Navhind Times) Panaji, July 27: The Chief Minister, Mr Pratapsingh Rane today said that the state was doing financially well and growing at a fast economical rate, even as he expressed his governments firm resolve to make Goa a commercial hub and create more and better infrastructure to maintain the pace of high growth so that people of Goa benefit. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=072816 *** Goa witnesses 2,918 unnatural deaths in 3 yrs (Navhind Times) Panaji, July 29: Previous rivalry has been the main motive for murders in the state with the Goa police registering 17 such cases out of the total 125 murders witnessed in the state since 2003. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=073010 *** Mhadei: Goa to ask Centre to set up water dispute tribunal (Navhind Times) Panaji, July 26: The Water Resources Minister, Mr Filipe Neri Rodrigues today said that the state would seek setting up of water dispute tribunal by the Union water resources ministry to resolve the dispute between Goa and Karnataka over the proposed diversion of water from Mhadei basin. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=072717 *** Goa to make available vegetables and pulses at affordable price (India Daily) The Goa government will initiate steps to make available the vegetable, pulses and other essential commodities at a reasonable price, the State Assembly was informed today. http://www.indiadaily.com/breaking_news/76420.asp Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] PUCL and biased reporting
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Please let me refer to the following statement of Fred in his posting on the subject: "PS: My only regret is that we have hardly any people of a Christian background who are taking on the communalists within their own community. And there are many; who often assume you can't be communal simply because one belongs to a minority religion!" With my experience in Mumbai, this is common here too. In the end the whole programme of anti-communalism ends up with talking only about Hindu communalism. Sachin Phadte ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] AICHEA DISAK CHINTOP - Julhaiachi 31vi, 2006!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Supurleam khorcheamchi chotrai ghe. Ek dakttuli chil vhodd tarum buddoita. (Beware of little expenses. A small leak will sink a great ship.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] GOAEVENTS: Last day of Goa assembly session, CCP meet, Britto's match, Hindi seminar, milk producers' meet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. TODAYINGOA 31JULY2006 AM: Britto's vs. Loyolas finals football match around 10.30 am. 60th anniversary of Britto's. TODAYINGOA: 31JULY2006 GU Dept of Hindi one-day seminar to mark the birth anniversary of prominent Hindi writer Munshi Premchand.. 10 am to 5 pm. TODAYINGOA: 31JULY2006 GU Dept of Hindi one-day seminar to mark the birth anniversary of prominent Hindi writer Munshi Premchand.. 10 am to 5 pm. TODAYINGOA: 31JULY2006: Last day, Goa assembly session. Begins 2.30 pm TODAYINGOA: 31JULY2006: 4.30 pm Corporation of the City of Panjim meeting at the CCP. ONGOING EVENTS: Vasco Saptah Festival from July 31 * UPCOMING EVENTS: 01AUG06 Goa College of Music 19th foundation day, at Altinho. 11.30 am. 01AUG2006 Sanguem-Quepem Journalists Assn to hold 23rd anniversary day, Ravindra Bhavan, 5 pm 01AUG06 TUES: GUJ Patrakar Din. Lecture on Tilak by Dr Pandit, 10.30 am. Chief Secretary to be chief guest, 11.15 pm. VVM's 33 anniversary, Aug 1 at Damodar College, Margao. 06AUG2006. Portuguese for beginners course to commence at Communicare Trust. Seraflor Bldg, Berginia Park, Alto Porvorim. Aug 9-15, 2006. Goa Bachav Manch, padyatra against sale of Goa's lands. Details awaited. 10AUG2006. Media sensitisation programme on HIV/AIDS. Fidalgo 9.30 am. Participants from John Hopkins Univ, BBC. Organised by Community Rsearch Foundation Margao with Goa State AIDS Control. Goa Cricket Assn AGM Aug 13, 5:30 pm Miramar. For "patrons/life members only". OUTSIDE GOA: Starters & More, Churchgate Bombay. On Aug 2, first Wednesday, Jazz Junction. Cherry Fernandes - vocals Ashton Colaco --- saxophone Xavier Fernandes - Keyboards Colin D'Cruz fretless bass Lester Godinho --- drums. GOANET: Tune in to what Goans across the globe are saying at http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/ Have your say by simply posting an email (plain text) to goanet@goanet.org Goanet is 12 years old in August-September 2006. Building social capital for Goa and Goans the world over. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
