[Goanet] Goa news for September 1, 2006
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Can I get to Goa by ferry? (Times Online) The Sunday Times opens its travel clinic on a daily basis to answer your holiday queries. Today: ferries in India http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,26689-2333711,00.html *** Goa NGO to start laundry venture to help sex workers (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 30: Victims of sex trafficking would soon own a small scale industry in Goa's Sancoale Industrial Estate, thanks to initiative by a non-government organisation. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=14882 *** Goa to form overseas recruitment agency (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 31: Goa government has decided to form an overseas recruitment agency to streamline the process of employment abroad. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=15284 *** GIM to organise 2-day national conference on logistics (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 31: Goa Institute of Management (GIM) is organising a two-day national conference from Septembet 2, which will deliberate on the vital issue of 'logistics'. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=15417 *** Kotawala India acquires beach resort in Goa (New Kerala) Mumbai, Aug 28: Financial services firm Kotawala India Ltd today said it has acquired the Hotel Sunflower Beach Resort in Goa. The company said in a filing on the Bombay Stock Exchange that it acquired the resort situated in Calangute Bega, Goa. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=13832 *** Anti-human trafficking unit to come up: DGP (Navhind Times) Panaji, Aug 31: The Director-General of Police, Mr Neeraj Kumar today informed that an anti-human trafficking unit is being set up in Goa. However, the Goa police are waiting for funds. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=090150 *** Around 2 lakh foreign tourists expected to visit Goa (Navhind Times) Panaji, Aug 30: Around 850 charter flights are expected to land in Goa in the ensuing tourist season bringing in nearly 2 lakh foreign tourists. Over 700 charter flights landed in the state last year bringing in around 1.5 lakh tourists. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=083154 *** Goa on the radar of terrorists: Chief Secy (Navhind Times) Panaji, Aug 29: The Chief Secretary, Mr J P Singh today said that along with the rest of India, Goa too was reeling under a constant threat of terror attacks because any terror activity here would attract international media attention on a unprecedented scale. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=083010 *** Insects in cola, Goa sues PepsiCo (Yahoo! India News) Food and Drug Authorities in Goa have filed a case as foreign particles have been found in Pepsi drinks. http://in.news.yahoo.com/060830/211/673n4.html *** Kotawala says buys Sunflower resort in Goa (Reuters via Yahoo! Asia News) MUMBAI, Aug 28 (Reuters) - Financial services firm Kotawala India Ltd. said on Monday it had acquired Hotel Sunflower Beach Resort in Goa. http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060828/3/2p377.html Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Can the current Goa Government be defined as a kleptocracy?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. http://www.answers.com/topic/kleptocracy kleptocracy Kleptocracy (sometimes Cleptocracy) (root: Klepto+cracy = rule by thieves) is a pejorative, informal term for a government so corrupt that no pretense of honesty remains. In a kleptocracy the mechanisms of government are devoted to taxing the public at large, or using their control of government processes in order to amass substantial personal fortunes for the rulers and their cronies (collectively, kleptocrats), or to keep said rulers in power through redistribution schemes. Kleptocrats typically use money laundering and/or anonymous banking to protect and conceal their personal illegal gains. Kleptocracies are by and large dictatorships or some other form of autocratic government, since democracy makes outright thievery for direct personal gain more difficult to sustain long term and still remain in power. States that operate consistently at the higher end of the kleptocratic scale tend to be politically and socially unstable, while being stably kleptocratic. The economies of kleptocracies tend to perform badly, as the systematic corruption engendered by kleptocratic governance means that the economy is subordinated to the interests of the kleptocrats. Distributive states that derive their wealth from the extraction of natural resources (eg. diamonds and oil in a few prominent cases) can be particularly prone to kleptocracy, as the kleptocrats simply tax the Ricardian rent. Redistristributive economies that derive their wealth through taxation have a natural limitation on how far they can extend the kleptocratic policies on their population without destabilizing their government. Redistributive economies often display their kleptoctatic tendencies through using taxes collected from the general public to curry favor with their particular constituency and may be targeted on particular swing undecided voters in order to buy favor with other peoples money. These tax funded programs often come with known detrimental effects to the wider economy besides the obvious effect on the budget. The creation of a kleptocracy typically results in many years of general hardship and suffering for the vast majority of citizens as civil society and the rule of law distintegrates. In addition, kleptocrats routinely ignore economic and social problems in their quest to amass ever more wealth and power. As kleptocrats do not attempt to build or maintain functioning states, or even maintain large security forces for fear of coups d'état, kleptocracies are generally incompetent in the face of social crises, and often collapse into prolonged civil war and anarchy. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Goanet is like a large fish pond, where thousands of Goan origin come to fish from all over the world. Some catch real fish while the others dangle fish bought earlier from the local market into the pond and pull out the rod at the opportune moment to boast to fellow anglers about their superior fishing talents... Jason. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Tiatr: Hea Gharachim Dharam Bondh
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Jr. Trio Kings to Rock HAIL! The great charismatic entertainers! Aliston-Roystan-Frankie. Konkani lovers have rightly conferred upon them the title of Junior Kings The Junior Trio Kings have take the Konkani stage by storm in Goa and Mumbai with their breathtaking performances. Junior Trio Kings will today be performing at their singing zenith in Larentes Pereiras blockbuster tiatro Hea Gharachim Dharam Bondh to be staged on Friday, September 1, 2006 at 3:30 pm at the Hawally A/c auditorium. Other professional stage artistes all set to come from Goa are the King of Centuries Roseferns, Prince of Centuries Pascoal Rodrigues, comedian Agostinho Temudo, best character actor Anil Pednekar top heroine Olga Vaz, evergreen Felcy and for the first time in Kuwait the upcoming director Anthony Sylvester from St. Estevam. The numero uno comedian Agostinho Temudo is sure to tickle the ribs in his own inimitable style. For the first time in Kuwait see the upcoming director of Konkani stage Anthony Sylverster, from St Estevam. Artistes based in Kuwait who are prepared for scintillating performances include the comedy queen Querobin Carvalho, super stage girl Clara king of hearts Marcus Vaz, hit man Sylvester Vaz, super hero Adrian Goes, Kuwaits very best natural comedian Philip, super singer, actor an director Rosary Ferns, exceptional performer Mario de Majorda, Alex de Consua and Manuel de Santa Cruz. Music by: Maestro Shahu and Jolly Boys. Stage Managers are Menino de Rinandar and Benny Vaz. Stage setting by Caitano de Ribandar. Audio-Video by Olavo Paxha. Lights by Robert de Benavlim and the famous Spiders will weave the sound. Francis (Chequino) Fernandes and Nicholas Rodrigues are the tiatro patrons. http://www.goanet.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=5pos=1 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Plutoed - my hopes for salvation
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. It is observed that Goanet is rampant with unsavory diatribes, personal attacks and put-downs which tend to vitiate the quality of debates and deflect the focus from the real issues. If Goanet's post circle can be compared in hyperbole to the Knights of the Round Table we have way too many Modreds and not enough Lancelots and Galahads. Let's make the environment more benign in order to avoid the appearance of animosity. In GoaNet's august word exchangeMart when opinions and facts are far apart let's avoid vile language hurtful and tart hurling affront and slur like a vicious dart for such behavior belittles Writing's Art Cheers Arnold ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Portuguese translation
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Sir, One of our Priests here in Pune wanted to know if there is any software available for translating documents from Portuguese to English.(Fr.Marian - the parish priest from Immaculate Conception Church - City Church). Would you have any idea about this ? Is there any way, we could possibly read the contents of the document and the software could possibly have some voice recognition system that would translate the Portuguese to English. Appreciate if you could help us to know a little more about how this could be done. Thanks and Regards, Dominic Ferrao. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Effects of Public Executions on Homicide Rates
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... but one that worries me a lot is the risk of the wrong guy getting executed despite all the precautions taken. Mistakes like this have happened and will continue to happen among humans. Mario clarifies: This is a valid concern, but this problem can and is being dealt with in the US by the checks and balances in the overall process. In the US, while some people have been erroneously convicted of murder and sentenced to death, the subsequent virtually unlimited government-paid appeals process, which ranges from 12 to 20 years after the original sentencing, identifies any errors that were committed in the original trial. In these cases the original convictions get overturned and the sentences repealed, and there has not been a single proven case of an innocent person being executed, though allegations abound by opponents of capital punishment. However, since most executed persons live an almost average life span due to the lengthy appeals process, the deterrent effect of capital punishment is diluted. The deterrent effect seen in places like Saudi Arabia and China results from the swift and certain execution of those convicted of homicide and drug dealing. However, because of the absence of any meaningful right of appeal in these countries, it is almost certain that people that are wrongfully accused and convicted, intentionally or unintentionally, are being executed. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] KONKAN CURRY: To my teachers, with love
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. To my teachers, with love. Education, like charity, begins at home. So it was in my case. The relationship between my father and me was more of a 'guru-shishya' parmapara than that of a child awed and constantly corrected by the parent. His life, words and works are what have shaped my life more than anything else. I salute him this week in which we also celebrate Teacher's Day in India. I also salute my teachers in school and University. It is not everyone who is blessed with teachers like Pandurang M.Naik, known simply as Guruji by the thousands of students he taught, Theresa D'Souza, Ivan Rocha, Edwin Saldanha, Shrikant Hegde, Fr. Vivian Lobo, Fr. Theo de Sales, James Fernandes, Queenie Saldanha, Fr. Nicolau Pereira, Dr. K.R.Melanta and Dr. Lamon Brown. Surely, I have had many more good teachers, but these are the ones who have influenced my life the most. From the student's point of view, it is not so important as to how well a teacher teaches as how much one learns from the teacher. Whether it is in the examination at the end of the term or during the many tests during one's life, what the teacher has taught is not as critical as what one has imbibed from the teaching and the teacher's life. That teacher is best who creates the proper environment for learning to take place. Teaching is not the continuous process of life, learning is! My greatest 'guru' outside home is Edwin Saldanha. He taught us art [or 'drawing' as it was known when I was in school] and I must admit that, in spite of his best efforts, I still have not learnt to draw. I did learn 'colouring' and how to use contrasts and harmony of colours. This is useful in my professions of landscaping and publication. His greatest contribution to my life is the introduction to Boy Scouts and the constant goading to excel. He was never my 'Scout Master' in school. This role was played by Shrikant Hegde to perfection. Mr. Hegde and I learnt how to tie the standard scouting knots from the book because he did not want his student to look like a fool at the training camp held a few days after I was 'invested' as a Boy Scout in school. With Hegde as my Scout Master, Fredrico de Ataide as the trainer and Edwin Saldanha as the pace setter, I had the distinction of being the first Boy Scout from Goa to receive the President's Medal from the President of India. Remove Edwin Saldanha from this stage of my life and I might have been just another mediocre student with poor self esteem and then employed in some nondescript job. A teacher who has shaped the lives of many students, including me, in St. Britto High School is Ivan Rocha. He picked up boys and trained them for General Knowledge Quiz, elocution and debates. He invested his time in many generations of students. He would dip into his pockets to buy us snacks and tea, for growing-up boys are forever hungry. Quite a few of us have ventured into journalism, and are doing well in it, because of him. Team work, delegation of roles, quick thinking, the art of repartee all come from such events. We are richer for the experience and the guidance of teachers like these. They gave us the better perspective of life. The difference between a rich person and a poor person is often determined by the person's perspective of life. A friend of mine forwarded this illustrative story to me just a few days back. One day a wealthy man took his adolescent son on a trip to the country with the express purpose of showing him how poor people live. They spent a couple of days and nights on the farm of what would be considered a very poor family. On their return from their trip, the father asked his son, How was the trip? The son replied, It was great, Dad. Did you see how poor people live? the father asked. Oh yes, said the son. So, tell me, what you learnt from the trip? asked the father. The son answered, I saw that while we have only one dog and they had four. We have a pool that reaches to the middle of our garden and they have a creek that has no end. We have imported lanterns in our garden and they have the stars at night. Our patio reaches to the front yard and they have the whole horizon. We have a small plot of land around our house and they have fields that go beyond our sight. We have servants who serve us, but they serve others. We buy our food, but they grow theirs. We have walls around our property to protect us;
Re: [Goanet] Hitler as a Catholic
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Peter [With apologies to those Goanetters who may be absolutely bored of this issue by now. Hopefully this will be my last post on this topic, so please bear with me!] Sorry I took longer to reply to your post than intended. Out of curiosity, I got reading the full texts of many of Hitler's speeches and these took ages. They definitely confirm my contention that Hitler was a Catholic, irrespective of the general consensus that, he was a monster and an extremely obnoxious character responsible for WW2 and the murder of millions. 1. Although you did not explain why you found my original statement about Hitler as a Catholic to be a source of humour, you have basically agreed with me that Hitler was a Catholic. You called him a cultural Catholic. This is fine by me. Thank you. I had of course gone beyond your description. From the historical evidence-- his declared belief in God, Jesus and Catholicism is very clear even though we can never truly know, as with anybody else, what exactly he believed within his Catholic faith. I am however well satisfied that he was misguided in his faith, just as Osama bin Laden is, with regard to his stated devotion to Islam. While some Goanetters are happy to refer to Bin Laden as an Islamo Fascist, I am in absolute agreement with Aristo that Hitler was a Catholic Fascist and in good company with other WW2 Catholic Fascists like Franco (helped greatly by Hitler in the Spanish Civil War), and Mussolini. So now, let's look at some differences in our interpretations about Hitler the Catholic! Conjectures and refutations, as in science, are the very stuff of the historical process. And as knowledge is provisional because it is continuously evolving and changing, (as distinct from useful and necessary, 'Western' formulaic working facts like 2+2=4) there is always room for much re-examination of facts and interpretations to be able to have a fruitful discussion on any topic. But before we do this, I'd like to clarify a misunderstanding from my earlier statement on Goanet (but not linked to you) that, all knowledge is provisional. This has been seemingly provocative to at least one particularly vociferous poster on Goanet. That all knowledge is provisional does not mean that it is not possible to arrive at a consensus about aspects of what is true and not true. Nor is there an acceptance that everything is relative, nor that consensual truth is provisional, or that historians merely re-define facts. Historians and all people in the knowledge industry, re-examine data continuously, not re-define it, except exceptionally. The recent example of Pluto, or about the contested view about who actually won in Lebanon, notwithstanding the cover page of the recent Economist that, Hizbullah did, illustrates my point about provisionality at any historical time. Above all, it is difficult to be dogmatic about most things outside the realm of belief. Healthy scepticism and criticality are most valued in our over-arching knowledge industry today. I therefore hope this provides some clarification to at least one poster who has been inclined to be rather over-reliant on commonsense instead of being better read and informed as I believe you definitely are! 2. To reiterate, I had said that: a) Hitler was born and nurtured a Catholic, b) is on record in his own words and the words of his close associates that he was a Catholic, c) practised every public aspect of Catholicism such as church attendance, taking the sacraments, and faithfully paying his dues (taxes) to the Catholic Church, d) was never excommunicated, e) had a productive working relationship with the Vatican, minimally, through a Concordant, f) instituted the Double Cross used in the Church which constituted the Swastika superimposed on the Crucifix, g) that there is a huge quantity of photographic evidence to confirm much of the above. All such empirical evidence does make it much easier to 'prove' that Hitler was a Catholic rather than to 'prove' that he was not a Catholic which clearly requires an appeal to untestable faith issues. 3. In turn, whilst stating that Hitler was a cultural Catholic, you said that the word Christian meant different things in different parts of the world and illustrated this with reference to America, England, India and Lebanon. I do not dispute this at all. However, all my claims about Hitler centred
[Goanet] Goa Monsoon Photo Marathon '06
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Date: September 3, 2006 The monsoons in Goa are a delight to behold and an excellent opportunity for photography. With a view to promoting this art form together with the monsoon season in Goa, GoaPhotogs is organizing the first annual Goa Monsoon Photo Marathon - a day that promises to be filled with fun and exciting photography. A photography marathon brings together the elements of a marathon pace, stamina and a gritty determination - along with the creative aspects of a photography competition. Participants are required to be at their creative peak in the face of limited time at hand, battling the elements, heavy traffic and their own physical exertions in the 9-hour event. Categories: There will be the following three categories: Colour Film Black White Film Digital How it Works: The competition will run over a continuous period of 9 hours from 8am to 5pm. Those opting for the film category will bring one 35 mm film roll. Those opting for digital category will have to use one memory card (no internal camera memory will be permitted). During this period, participants will be given one theme every 3 hours making up a total of 3 themes over the entire day. Participants will have to shoot and submit one image for each theme. Since a photo marathon is a test of stamina and skill, sticking to timing is very important. 3 hours are allotted for each theme. Those arriving later than the stipulated 3 hours for each theme will be disqualified for the theme for which they arrived late. At the end of the day film participants will submit their roll containing images shot during the day to the organisers at the venue. The rolls will be processed by GoaPhotogs. Those shooting digital will have to download 3 images for each of the three themes announced during the day onto the computers provided at the venue. A time of 3 minutes will be allotted to each participant for this purpose. No manipulation etc will be permitted on the downloaded images. During the time the rolls are being processed, we will have a group evening out at Ernesto's (Club Vasco da Gama, Panjim). Here the images shot in digital format will be projected for viewing by the entire group. Later in the day, on receipt of the processed rolls, participants shooting film will be permitted to choose their three best shots to be submitted for judging. Exhibition: An exhibition of the best photographs will be held, the venue and dates of which will be announced. Registration: To register for this event please e-mail us before August 31, 2006 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goaphotogs.in ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Fake quotes...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Frederick \FN\ Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why? --FN --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because there is a method to my madness, as I am sure, there is one to yours. My method is as follows: 1. No unprovoked flame baits. Mario observes: In direct contradiction to the assertion above, the following are two unprovoked and very recent flame baits from Santosh. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-August/047704.html http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-August/047553.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] A word about emigration and assimilation/ To Mario
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mario, First of all you have created an oxymoron with emigrated temporarily. I've always liked the word oxymoron, largely because of the latter part of the word, which so aptly describes so many things we write :)) Mario responds: You may want to speak for yourself when make such an assertion:-)) There was nothing moronic in my comments, whether oxy or not:-)) I had made it quite clear that I was referring to people who become citizens of another country - thus ostensibly emigrating - out of convenience, while fully intending to return to their country of origin - thus temporary. No one uses the term guest worker for such people. I know dozens of Indians that fit this description most of whom return to India after they retire. These folks, by definition, do not have the same commitment and loyalty to the country and the fabric of the society they have emigrated to as the irrevocable immigrant like myself. I can assure you that your presumptious assumption that my comments were about about you are unfounded. I had no one in particular in mind. However, you have indirectly made my point when you describe the transient nature of guest workers. The last time I checked the term guest worker was not being applied immigrants, as guest workers are, by definition, citizens of another country. They may or may not want to emigrate eventually, and are here simply as guests, to work. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Plutoed - my hopes for salvation
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Well said, Arnold. I've been meaning to say just this for sometime now. Have been a silent spectator to many a spat on GoaNet.. and often reaches sickening heights. Also sad, because there's so much of talent and great brains floating around- which makes me wonder if we really need to go on and on-arguing ourselves silly, when we could put ourselves to better use. I used to hear of the infamous Goan trait of pulling the other down--this forum teems with examples that prove just this, if not more. But I must admit, that GoaNet has, somewhere, got under my skin. Some of the posters do have a terrific sense of humour. Some others turn out funny, quite unintentionally! Cheers! Reena, Bombay Arnold Noronha wrote: * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. It is observed that Goanet is rampant with unsavory diatribes, personal attacks and put-downs which tend to vitiate the quality of debates and deflect the focus from the real issues. If Goanet's post circle can be compared in hyperbole to the Knights of the Round Table we have way too many Modreds and not enough Lancelots and Galahads. Let's make the environment more benign in order to avoid the appearance of animosity. In GoaNet's august word exchangeMart when opinions and facts are far apart let's avoid vile language hurtful and tart hurling affront and slur like a vicious dart for such behavior belittles Writing's Art Cheers Arnold ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Check Goanet TOP 25 (?)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Again, this was inspired by one recent post here.. Are these posters are really top ? Are they all (or some).. - Really good? Always good ? Sometimes Good ? - Always or sometimes, really noisy ? boring ? arguing? stubbon? waste of time/space ? TOP 25 (August) 1. FN 109 2. Mario Goveia 97 3. Cornel 56 4. JoeGoaUk 54 5. George Pinto 52 6. Santosh Helekar 51 7. Gabe Menezes 45 8. Gilbert Lawrence 38 9. R. Barreto 38 10. Goanet News Serv. 34 11. Jose Colaco 30 12. Albert D souza 29 12. Domnic Ferns 29 13. Elizabeth Carvalho 28 13. Merwyn Lobo 28 13. Carvalho 28 15. Roland Francis 25 16. Cecil Pinto 20 16. Goa 20 17. Francis Rodrigues 19 17. Nasci Caldeira 19 18. Carmo D cruz 17 18. Godfrey Gonsalves 17 19. Eugene Correia 16 19. Goacan 16 20. Aristo 15 21. Radhakrishna Nair 15 21. Valmiki Faleiro 15 22. A Veronica 14 22. Peter D Souza 14 23. Borg Costa 13 23. Coa Sesc 13 23. Vivek 13 24. Eddie Verdes 12 24. Lino Dourado 12 24. Saligao at 12 25. Goanet Reader 11 25. Vidyadhar Gadgil 11 Other data also availabe ready in tabulated form but some problems with copying and posting on to plain text format (those with even one post inlcuded with both Alphabetical Numerical order. Can any one help (I gone completely blank). Foll stats may also interest you.. Month: August (last msg in archive 2330hrs PDT 31.08.06) Total Posts/messages: 1496 Total Number of posters: 183 (equal to 2.6% of 7000?) of which.. - 74 posted just one each - 27 posterd 2 each - 12 people posted 3 each - 11 posted 4 each - 2 posted 5 each - 6 posted 6 each - 5 posted 7 each - 1 posted 8 - 2 posted 9 each - 5 posted 10 each Coming up next: Eviction Programe/criteria for Big Brothers (from the house of 40 thieves). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... ttp://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Of ponti (oil lamp) and Konkani proverbs
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Here's what Herman told me in a 2003-04 interview: During the 1994 World Cup soccer tournament, I met a Goan on one of the soccer channel. I forget his name, I think it was it was Peter D'Souza. But he had a couple of Goan friends online, and I used to make them come to the Goan channel on IRC. Once we had a group of about three of us used to talk quite a lot. The girl whom he knew was the daughter of the former Indian high commissioner to Kenya, Placido D'Souza, Maria D'Souza. --- Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure if you know this, Placido D'Souza's daughters, Lucia and Maria, used to chat regularly with Goanet's founder Herman Carneiro on the Internet Relay Chat (IRC) back in 1993-1994. It was those IRC conversations which inspired the Herminator to start Goanet. And here's some background: Despite what it might seems, Goans have skills at diplomacy too.Placido D'Souza (b.1933) was ambassador to a large number of countries, including in the West Indies, Panama, Zaire, New York, Port of Spain, Hong Kong and Nairobi. Another diplomat of Goan origin, Peter Lynn Sinai (b.1933) topped the competitive exams in 1956. http://www.geocities.com/athens/forum/1503/eminent-goans.html There's also this: FORMER INDIAN AMBASSADOR of Goan origin Placido D'Souza, from Pune/Anjuna and currently visiting the US, recalls he did a portrait of Pope John Paul II when he visited Saint Lucia in the Caribbean in 1986. At that time, D'Souza was Indian high commissioner in Trinidad and Tobago with jurisdiction over 11 countries and territories in the Caribbean. He had been invited to Saint Lucia for the Pope's visit. One of his hobbies has been sketching and painting. His work has been published in a small book called 'Portraits of Power', meant for private circulation. Other works he have done include those of UN former Secretary general Javier Perez de Cuellar, Nelson Mandela and several Indian leaders. See http://images.kodakgallery.com/photos1088/ 4/22/47/99/82/0/82994722407_0_ALB.jpg Cut and paste the above long URL together This is the story of Teresa Albuquerque: She then happened to mention this to Placido D'Souza, the Pune- based former High Commission for India in Kenya and in many other places. He offered to help, and put Albuquerque in touch with an influential Goan there Dr Fitz D'Souza. http://www.goacom.org/news/news99/may/msg00031.html And: Placido D'Souza (b.1933) was ambassador to a large number of countries, including in the West Indies, Panama, Zaire, New York, Port of Spain, Hong Kong and Nairobi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_from_Goa Here's his son, another high achiever (noted on that useful resource goanvoice.org.uk) : Cognizant Announces Management Succession Plan 2 Aug: PR Newswire. Cognizant Technology Solutions Corporation announced that the current Chief Operating Officer Francisco D'Souza will become President and CEO from 1 Jan 2007 … Mr. D'Souza, who will continue to be based in the U.S., has 17 years experience in the IT industry in operational, management and advisory roles and was part of the team that founded. For ful text click here. Francisco D'Souza was born in Nairobi in 1968, the son of Sushila and Placido D'Souza (born in 1933, ex-Anjuna, Goa ex India's Consul General in New York and High Commissioner in Port of Spain, Hong Kong and Nairobi). His sisters are Jacinta, Lucia and Maria. Francisco attended University of East Asia, Macau and Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh. He is married to Ines, a Brazilian. For more info about him and the family see GVUK 2006-14 http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/newsletter/2006/Aug/issue1/ Statistician Dr Eddie D'Sa of the Goan Digest writes: It is a great pleasure to introduce Mr Placido D'Souza to the New Diaspora forum. Placido is a retired Indian diplomat with an active interest in journalism. He was editor of the elegant 96-page bimonthly magazine New India Digest for many years. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NewDiaspora/message/304 If I recall right, I had done an interview with Placido D'Souza long back, when we met at the International Centre-Goa. Though I try to share my writing with cyberspace, this could not be found. It is a pleasure to have such eminent persons share their writings with Goanet. FN --
[Goanet] Thought for Today
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. _ To communicate globally in this 21st century, 'Roman Script' is the most popular and computer-friendly script, particularly for the language of our ancestors Konkani. _ Experience What I experience now is a result of the past; what I experience in the future depends on what I do now. _ Cip UK To communicate globally in this 21st century, 'Roman Script' is the most popular and computer-friendly script, particularly for the language of our ancestors Konkani. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Effects of Public Executions on Homicide Rates
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. The wrong guy getting executed despite all the precautions: One of the students (a married man with family) who was studying with us in the Non-Degreed Professional English Language Program in 1984, was suddenly absent for about two weeks, which meant he would be dropped from the program due to excessive absences. When we issued the Final Drop Notice, we were informed by his Department that he was behind the bars charged with murder. In those days, capital punishment was applied immediately after one was convicted. The authorities passed the sentence for the man to be beheaded on a Friday. While the man was praying in his cell and preparing himself for the beheading on the next day, a security officer entered the cell and informed him that he was free to go home, as they had caught the real murderer who had confessed to the murder. The man fainted at the news; he was freed the next morning, which otherwise would have been his last day on this planet. As a special case, he was reinstated in the program which is when he told us the whole story. He was thankful to God for giving him a new life. Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA From : cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To : Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent : Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:22 PM To :Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject : Re: [Goanet] Effects of Public Executions on Homicide Rates Hi Carmo Months ago, I had indicated my serious unease about your public up-side-down crucifixion (computer spelling) and harvesting of organs strategy for murderers in Goa. Now that this issue has come up again, there were several points I had made, and for now, want to re-state just two of them: a) Your proposal would require a change in the law in India as far as I can tell but my hunch is that this would be most unlikely; b) Notwithstanding the existence of capital punishment in India, imagine the disgust of the outside world with Goa going back to barbaric times with your gruesome public execution model. Public executions as in Saudi Arabia are viewed with great repugnance. Do you want Goa's favourable image abroad to be so tarnished? So that there is no doubt about my own position on state sanctioned murder, when executions take place, I want to re-state that I am totally opposed to the death penalty as is the case in the European Union. There are many reasons and mine are very much like Aristo's, but one that worries me a lot is the risk of the wrong guy getting executed despite all the precautions taken. Mistakes like this have happened and will continue to happen among humans. Cornel _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Whose universe is it anyway?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Whose universe is it anyway? How dare they demote planet Pluto, and make children cry? By Cecil Pinto 'Dada!', wailed six year old Desmond as I came in from work last Thursday, 'Dada, Pluto is no longer a planet!'. 'Wht?!', I exclaimed as my wife briefly explained, over Desmond's sobbing, what they had just seen on TV. My younger son, Fabian, started crying too, not quite understanding what had transpired but in sympathy with his brother, and ashen faced father. I sat down and slowly shock turned to grief and then anger. How dare they do this? Quickly I verified the facts on the Internet. The International Astronomical Union (IAU) has 8,858 members of which around 2,700 attended the 26th General Assembly at Prague last week of which only 424 remained on the last day and out of these only about 300 voted for Pluto to be demoted. Just 300 astronomers decided on the fate of a planet that has fascinated so many generations over so many decades? Bah! Some trivia first, to whet your appetite. Pluto is an alternate name for Hades, the Greek god of the underworld. The planet was discovered in 1930 by Clyde Tombaugh, but its existence and exact location had been predicted 20 years earlier by an astronomer in India, Venkatesh Ketakar. An eleven year old schoolgirl, Venetia Phair, suggested the name Pluto which was accepted by the astronomical community at the time. They obviously had more scientists with heart then, compared to the current heartless bunch of 300 uncultured astronomers. One of the conditions laid down by the IAU, in their new definition of what constitutes a planet, is that, It must have cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit. I like that! Here we can't clear a few settlers in our properties, with this dastardly Mundkar Tenancy Act, and you want a planet to clear its orbit of billions of miles. Get real pal! Desmond had spent an entire day, when he was barely five years old, memorizing the nine planet names and their sequence. My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas has to be now re-learnt as Margaret Visits Every Monday And Just Stays Until Noon, or for adults, My Very Eager Mistress Just Showed Up Naked. The scientists claim that Pluto is nothing but Rocks Ice. Hello? That's a nice name for a beach bar but what exactly is Antarctica then if not the same? Shall we just brush Antarctica off from our Seven Continents? Why ever not? Why stop there? Who needs Seven Sacraments? Nobody goes for Confession these days anyway? Drop it. Six Sacraments are quite sufficient. Do we really need Five Pandavas? Nakula and Sahadeva are practically twins - at least their fathers were. Four Pandavas will suffice. Did you say Seven Deadly Sins? Pride, Envy, Gluttony, Lust, Anger, Greed, Sloth. But Gluttony is the same as Greed. Six Sins are enough for our children. And I could as easily whittle down the Twelve Steps of Alcoholic Anonymous to just Eight basic ones. Or take the Seven Vows or Saptapadi of a Hindu wedding. Step One and Step Three both refer to livelihood and wealth creation. Step Five, about having children, is not politically correct when career couples decide not to become parents. Five Steps in fact are all that are needed. Who says the rainbow has seven colours? There are actually three primary (blue, yellow, red) and three complementary (orange, violet and green) colours. Somebody arbitrarily inserted an indigo and we live with it. Why can't we similarly just live with Pluto as a full fledged planet? The spacecraft 'New Horizons' which lifted off from Cape Canaveral, Florida, in January of 2006 will reach Pluto in July of 2015. And if they find more than Rocks Ice there will Pluto be reinstated as a planet again? Can't we just wait another nine years to decide on our beloved ninth planet? Just the saving on re-printing of school text books and classroom charts worldwide will be in the billions of dollars. Keep in mind that the Greek God Pluto was named from the Latin 'ploutos' which means wealth. It was from the belief that the underworld was the source of wealth from the ground. What if they find Pluto can be mined for mega tons of reactor-grade plutonium (what else!) that could serve humankind's energy needs for the next million years? Just see how fast they will reinstate Pluto's planetary status, and of course claim it as another state of the USA. Some few years back, thanks to
Re: [Goanet] Was Hitler Pro-Catholic? / response to Cornel
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Gilbert People who make allegations such as someone being anti-Catholic, have the responsibility to provide the evidence or retract the allegation. I therefore await your evidence in plain simple English. Your reply below is plain waffle. Cornel - Original Message - From: Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 1:02 AM Subject: [Goanet] Was Hitler Pro-Catholic? / response to Cornel -- Gilbert responds: Hi Cornel, You will not have to wait for long. Your persistence has paid off. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] FRIDAY BALCAO:an alternative perspective on Literacy and Education
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. -- Welcome to the FRIDAY BALCAO -- Dear Cybergaonkars on Goanet, We continue with FRIDAY BALCAO on 8th September from 4pm. to 6pm. at Goa Desc Resource Centre No. 11, Liberty Apartments, Feira Alta, Mapusa Goa. TOPIC: an alternative perspective on Literacy and Education SPEAKER: Stanley Fernandes - Panjim We invite you to express your viewpoint by attending the Friday Balcao event but if you cannot attend, then please send your views and action plan suggestions by post to FRIDAY BALCAO Post Box 78, Mapusa 403 507 or by email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] best wishes, Roland Martins --- Don't miss out on the discussion. Information is power, Share it equitably. Lets make things happen in Goa !! --- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Working On Issues Of Development Democracy === ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Indian Diaspora -- Interview
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. The International Indian - Vol 14.1 The Indian Diaspora hasn't changed much, it is still divided. What is the Indian Diaspora? How much do we know and understand about it? TII's Contributing Editor Mona McNicholas talks to Professor Prabhu Guptara, ExecutiveDirector, Organisational Development, Wolfsberg (a subsidiary of UES - one of the largest banks in the world). He is also Freeman of the City of London and of the Worshipful Company of Information Technologists; Chartered Fellow of the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development; and Fellow of the Institute of Directors of the Royal Commonwealth Society, and of the Royal Society for the Encouragement of the Arts, Commerce and Manufactures. He also continues to supervise PhD research at the University of Fribourg (Switzerland) as well as to be Visiting Professor at various universities and business schools around the world. Tell its about your life and journey outside India. PG: Political refugee from India (under Mrs Gandhi's Emergency), lived in the UK for 19 years and now in Switzerland for nearly 11 years - founded a consultancy while in the UK, since when I have been working for a financial services company How do you describe your identity- how has it evolved/changed in your journey from India (or one of Indian origin) into the global village? PG: I lived in the UK for 19 years and carry a British passport, and though I have now also lived in Switzerland for nearly 11 years, I am still deeply Indian. Scores of Indians have lived in other countries, but when do you think the Indian Diaspora came to the attention of people? PG: As far as I can work out, as the Diaspora from the seventies, though I remember conversations with friends while I was a teenager about how many Indians were living in South Africa and the UK and other countries. What brought the phenomenon firmly to attention in scholarly circles was the word diaspora being applied not only to Jewish people (as was traditional), but also then to the Armenians in scholarly literature from the sixties, and finally by us to ourselves. How do you perceive the Indian Diaspora - in your region and globally. How has it evolved? PG: Hasn't really changed much: still very divided by language and caste and religion, and so leaving out all Indians who do not feel comfortable identifying themselves in this way (in other words all regionalists and casteists and religionists find their own groups but genuine Indians often do not find all-India groups with which to identify.) What influence, has the region you live in, had on your life and how have you and the Indian community where you live impacted your society? What do you consider is your greatest contribution? PG: We have profited as a family from the outstanding courtesy of the Swiss people and their lack of racism, though of course the country has, like most European countries, the negative of thorough complacency and bureaucracy. What we have learnt most is the value of thinking in systems (they call it network thinking) and the value of looking forward in order to organize yourself for what is ahead whether tomorrow or for a longer-term in the future. What contribution have we made? Well, apart from the usual ones that any family makes in any country as workers and neighbours, I hope that we have helped to at least modify some stereotypes about India and Indians, and created a greater awareness of the potential as well as the challenges facing our country. In addition, we hope that we have contributed to strengthening the links between India and Switzerland. Have Indians integrated well into the mainstream society? If not, why not? PG: Yes, I think Indians integrate well here - mainly because in any situation it is the hosts who set the tone, and the Swiss are very welcoming once they get to know you (and we Indians are very adaptable - but Switzerland requires very little adaptation except in terms of the language and culture). Do you think the Diaspora Indian takes part in social and political reformations of his adopted country? And the world? What are his strengths and weaknesses? PG: Our strength in fitting in and adapting is, regretfully, what makes for our unwillingness and inablity to contribute to political and social discussion and debates in relation to our countries of adoption. In general, the most active among us think at best of what is in India's interest, rather than in
[Goanet] dual citizenship - from the int'l indian
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. THE INTERNATIONAL INDIAN -- Vol 14.1 One Indian, two passports: The Indian diaspora debates Dual citizenship is a fact for certain Indians now but Indians back home are up in arms. Is it a case of trying to serve two masters or a boon to the country? By Francis C. Assisi On the first rung of the 21st century, the signs of portable patriotism - a citizenship of convenience is here. Briefly stated, a second or even a third passport has become not just a link to a homeland but also a glorified travel visa, a license to do business, a stake in a second economy, an escape hatch, even a status symbol. But in India as well as in the Great Indian Diaspora, the debate continues. Both publicly and privately, Indians are grappling with the notion of dual citizenship. And, despite the fact that the government of India has decided to grant dual citizenship (Overseas Citizenship of India) to Indians in selected countries, there is no end in sight to the debate. Opponents argue the practice weakens national identities and leads to ethnic separatism. Supporters say it is a natural response to an increasingly interconnected world, for greater communication and understanding between countries - a win-win proposition. Recently, when two media giants, the BBC and the Indian news portal Rediff, asked their audience if they thought granting dual citizenship to Persons of Indian Origin would be beneficial, the response it generated was overwhelming. It opened a virtual Pandora's box. And in that ensuing tide of arguments and counterarguments, the debate had to be closed. To inject as many voices from the diaspora as possible, we are quoting a number of individuals who joined in that debate. Their arguments may be summarized in the following set of opinions. Basically, one group believes that dual citizenship will be a great dishonor to the true patriots. Another group is of the view that it is the right thing at the right time. As one Indo-Canadian commented, The wealth, experience and talent of NRIs and PIO's call now be tapped to make India a stronger economy. But for Gautam Sarkar, dual citizenship means, no more standing in line in the embassies to deal with incompetent staff. Yes hope fully no more long lines in the airports as well, dealing with the stupid arrogant idiots working for Indian immigration. And for Pooja Ahluwalia it is a personal matter of competing both in India as well as in the U.S. She says: 1 want to fight in karate tournaments in India, but I was not allowed. 1 am karate champion here, and I want to defeat karate champions in India, so if I have dual citizenship I can be the karate champion of India and USA. Kamal Shroff, a psychologist, thinks it will enrich India. I am delighted to know that we call be dual citizens (USA India). We call visit India and start clinics for children to develop intellectually by providing needed professional counseling services, consultation to students, parents and behavior therapies. We call undertake research projects to see where we are at present and where we need to go. I hope we can bring new perspectives to old problems. Sudhakar Rajapu worries, We already have lots of problems with foreign mercenaries and terrorists. How do we make sure such miscreants don't get dual citizenship? Even if there were measures to check these unwelcome people, they can always find loopholes in our bureaucracy. Even ordinary people, why should someone get back their Indian citizenship when he/she opted to drop their Indian citizenship to become a citizen of another country? I think a PIO card or something like a green card should be enough. Even if citizenship is given, it should be given only after a period of 10-15 years, during which time his contribution to India should be evaluated. Thus arguments are thrown back and forth in support of as well as against dual citizenship. One Indian-American observed: I am a born and bred American whose parents are of Indian origin. The idea of dual citizenship is not just absurd, it's an oxymoron. When you declare your allegiance to one country, your allegiance belongs to that country alone. You call have cultural ties to a nation. But that is independent from your nationality. Another echoed a parallel view: I am an Indian settled in the USA. I don't see any reason why India should allow dual citizenship. When you become a citizen
Re: [Goanet] Effects of Public Executions on Homicide Rates
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that this issue has come up again, there were several points I had made, and for now, want to re-state just two of them: a)Your proposal would require a change in the law in India as far as I can tell but my hunch is that this would be most unlikely; b) Notwithstanding the existence of capital punishment in India, imagine the disgust of the outside world with Goa going back to barbaric times with your gruesome public execution model. Public executions as in Saudi Arabia are viewed with great repugnance. Do you want Goa's favourable image abroad to be so tarnished? Cornel, Your words will be lost on most American as executions are part of the American way of life. George Bush got elected partly because he sent a record number of prisoners to the electric chair in Texas. Once, while still in college in the south, I heard on the radio that the police were responding to a domestic situation not far from where I was living. A man had gotten drunk and was using a shot gun to hold his wife and kids hostage. On my way home I saw about 300 cars parked outside the house with the problem. Two hot dog vendors had already set up their carts and the crowd was shouting, Shoot the bitch. The USA, China and S. Arabia are the world leaders in public executions. The USA leads the world with the largest percentage of citizens in jail. I keep telling prospective immigrants in Goa to keep this in mind when choosing which country to migrate to as some may be moving from a civilized country to a barbaric one. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Effects of Public Executions on Homicide Rates/response to Selma
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Please do not change your opinion of IITs. They are wonderful institutions. The IIMs and IIT impart the best education, but they do not guarantee to change boys into thinking men (as one of the founder profs of IIMA was fond of saying), nor to...never mind. It could be the weather in Florida! Fausto Dias..Velha Goa - Original Message - From: Aristo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Effects of Public Executions on Homicide Rates/response to Selma * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Selma wrote: I've come to believe that one is either a sociopath, totally lacking the ability to make a conscientious decision, or a psychopath suffering from undeniable mental illness. Aristo responds: Firstly, Sociopath and Psychopath mean the same thing, except the formers usage has replaced the latter in the academia. Secondly, I don't know whether you read my views on this thread or not, but in my post: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-August/047531.html I mentioned a link which enlisted the normal root causes of Crime, which mainly include NURTURE aspects like Economic Factors/Poverty, the Social Environment (includes drug abuse), and Family Structures. Psychological causes mainly fall under the last 2 categories. Apart from this, the document completely neglects the NATURE aspects like genetically abnormal individuals, who are prone to commit crime as a result of their genetic makeup. But the word abnormal is very relative. What is abnormal? less than 0.5 % of the population? 1%? 5%? 10%? For instance, are homosexuals, who have extra X chromosomes, abnormal? Is this abnormality deserving of being classified as illegal? (FYI: I support worldwide legalisation of homosexuality and their rights). Another instance would be people who are more aggressive in NATURE, who are prone to commit violent crimes. They do not fall under a minority, but not all aggressive people commit crimes, as it ultimately comes down to the level of control over one's natural instincts. What you are referring to is a popular field in Psychology called Criminal Psychology or Psychological Criminology, where in the psychological causative factors of crime are studied, apart from other aspects. So the bottom line is that not all crimes are committed due to psychological dysfunctions. Think in the case of Mandar's murder, do you think that all 5 accused have similar psychological dysfunctions? The root causes may be attributed to both - Nurture as well as Nature. The important thing to note is that we can work in both arena's to prevent crime to a limited extent. Just a few points to get you thinking... Cheers, Aristo. PS. Looking at Dr. Carmo D'Cruz's arguments, I have changed my outlook towards the IIT's! ;-) ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Are Goencars Leaving Britain Too?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Peter Just a quick response to your interesting observation about Brits leaving the UK. Firstly, re Goans settled here, there is a trickle of older persons leaving to join children elsewhere like Australia. Professionals are well able to get jobs internationally and do move if they judge they will be better off elsewhere. However, the inflow of new Goans is really substantial via the Portuguese passport route. About ten years ago, I had lamented in an article in the Goan Association Newsletter that, very sadly, we might see the first example of the demise of a traditional Goan Association anywhere. This is because younger Goans were increasingly integrated into mainstream life and unavailable to revitalise the Goan Association. Now it is time for me to write about how my lament should be reconsidered with the inflow of thousands of relatively young vitalising Goans to the UK in recent years. That some 5000 or so (including kids) could turn up at a recent Goan Association event was quite incredible in London. Re Brits leaving these shores, I have heard this perennially in the 44 years I have been here. I have always wished it were really true so that there would be more space for those of us on these fairly over-crowded islands. Historically, of course, one estimate is that some 200 million around the world are of UK origin and in the unlikely probability that they returned, the UK would sink under the weight! But seriously, in the current situation, a significant number who go out do return even from such sunny places like Australia and Spain. Each time there has been a change of Government, (Conservative to Labour and vice versa) a whole lot have expressed determination to leave! But they hardly ever do on this count. I think there are probably at least three 'forces' propelling some movement outwards. a) the continuation of the historic outflow previously generated by Empire. Many have relatives all over the world and they sometimes think of joining them. b) House prices have shot up so much over the years that the equity (some Goan homes are worth £1 million plus already) will buy property elsewhere very comfortably and still leave a lot of change. So, it may be the function of home ownership prosperity that is promoting outward movement. Second and even third homes (say in Goa) are not unusual considerations to some. c) there has always been a lack of strong national British identity in the UK. Being British is seemingly less strong than being French, German etc. This in turn may also be be attractive to many thousands who are dying to get here and pushing the population to 60 million for the first time. The inflow is interesting too. Thousands of professional Aussies have settled here and contribute greatly, and so too, from South Africa. The expansion of the EU has drawn thousands mainly for work which is still relatively plentiful at present. The concern expressed re the likely inflow from incredibly poor Romania and Bulgaria next year, is more to do with expressed housing requirements and other social needs. Someone from Poland for example, sees his income quadruple from an average of £5000 to £20,000 plus, doing the same kind of work, notwithstanding the high cost of living here. The income for professionals is considerably greater. Such people are likely to earn as much as possible and then go back rather than stay permanently perhaps. But once roots (particularly children in schools) are established, it is often difficult to move back. All in all, around August is also the silly season when news is generally less plentiful, (notwithstanding the Nasrallah success stories), and come next August, I'm sure you will have a repeat of what you have read about Brits escaping for better pastures. I only wish the stories were more true! Cornel - Original Message - From: Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 3:55 AM Subject: [Goanet] Are Goencars Leaving Britain Too? Could we have comment from Cornel and Gabe? Peter -- They flock unstoppably through Britain's border crossings, thousands every week, posing a threat to social, demographic, and economic stability, according to some. But this is not another verdict on the perils of immigration. This is about people moving in the opposite direction. Surprisingly, for a country
[Goanet] What Heaven and Hell are like.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. holy man was having a conversation with the Lord one day and said, Lord, I would like to know what Heaven and Hell are like. The Lord led the holy man to two doors. He opened one of the doors and the holy man looked in. In the middle of the room was a large round table. In the middle of the table was a large pot of stew which smelled delicious and made the holy man's mouth water. The people sitting around the table were thin and sickly. They appeared to be famished. They were holding spoons with very long handles and each found it possible to reach into the pot of stew and take a spoonful, but because the handle was longer than their arms, they could not get the spoons back into their mouths. The holy man shuddered at the sight of their misery and suffering. The Lord said, You have seen Hell. They went to the next room and opened the door. It was exactly the same as the first one. There was the large round table with the large pot of stew which made the holy man's mouth water. The people were equipped with the same long-handled spoons, but here the people were well nourished and plump, laughing and talking. The holy man said, I don't understand. It is simple said the Lord, it requires but one skill. You see, they have learned to feed each other. While the greedy think only of themselves. Moral: Its people's attitude that makes our place of work, a hell or heaven to them!! 'Help and Seek Help' this makes all the difference to each individual's life...and makes our lives hell or otherwise. Success and happiness is all about effective team-work.make it a great week ahead!!!. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] I wish you a Happy September
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hello Goa Netters, May I share with you an interfaith poem that accompanies the painting I completed yesterday HYPERLINK http://spiritualdirection.org/Poem-Letting%20go.htmHYPERLINK http://spiritualdirection.org/Poem-Letting%20go.htm.Yourhttp://spiritu aldirection.org/Poem-Letting%20go.htm. Your comments are most welcomed! Thanks a million. Have a great September. Ariosto HYPERLINK http://www.SpiritualDirection.orgwww.SpiritualDirection.org -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/435 - Release Date: 8/31/2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Goans, the living water where we get news of our Goan State, Tiatr, Vcd DVD of konkani stageinterew of our Tiatrist or famous of our goan stage as we r in Gulf n world wide. 1- urgently message to all Goan 2- to find any goan person in world wide, 3- very inportant number of any Govt or any person or church help by goanet, Work of Goanet cant forget till we die or even we back to the World for second time, Praise God for it. Stephen fernandes Muscat/Divar --- JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Goanet is ilke a large fish pond, where thousands come to fish from all over the world. This is Public Fish Pond and it's Free. Almost all the anglers here are of Goan origin. Homework: What is Goanet to you ?? or Write one or two lines on ''goanet.'' (MAX 3 lines) 5 Best entries will get prize. (TC apply) Note: If you can't write but can read only, pl. sponsor a prize. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Response to Cornel
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Cornel Your anti-Catholic writings are seen on the subjects but not confined to: Caste among Goan Catholics; Your atheistic leanings; Building of churches in Goa; Goan Catholic Inquisition, Hitler's Catholicism etc. Sure, the small group that consistently sided with you on these issues will now come to your defense. If you think I am going to go through your verbatim transcripts of your past posts, you are dreaming. I have better things to do. But here are my thoughts to your recent writings. Your statement, I am anti-caste among Catholic Goans is along the same vein as your past writings on Goan caste. As stated in my last post, and by many others in prior posts, caste-Catholic is an oxymoron. And your Anti-caste among Catholic is a pleonasm (a redundant expression), yet a sneak attack (diversionary, abusive and circumstantial) on Goan Catholics and the Church. In your recent post on Hitler, you (rightly) soften your remarks on his faith. Yet, you still state, Hitler was a Catholic Fascist (see below). For a bright English academic in London, and in the modern (21st century) world, is this right? Or to be correct, should it be, Hitler was a fascist who happened to be Catholic? To those not familiar with this nuance, Is Cornel a Goan-Catholic English professor or is Cornel an English professor of Goan-Catholic origin / background? This ties in with the questions Chip is repeatedly asking of Santosh on another thread and he (another fellow traveler of yours) has elected to repeatedly duck. You both as individuals have outstanding credentials, and I am proud of you for those achievements as Goans. Yet your writings, drawing the Church into the above topics is nothing more than naked demagoguery. Those Goenkars not familiar with the nuances of this term can read the following and make their own judgement of my characterization of your writings and those of others. Sure some may not agree with me, especially those who habitually use demagoguery. Some use lies to demagogue and when their falsehood is exposed, they call it satire. Frankly even when the demagoguery is exposed, Santosh refuse to apologize, though amazingly he accepts his statement as demagoguery. There is hope.:=)). The master demagogue - Hitler - never admitted he was a demagogue. Did he?:=)) I hope you and others take my comments in a positive spirit. Too many Goan posts are borderline or blatant demagoguery. We use exceptional situations to make blanket statements. As I have written in the past, there are exceptions to every rule. Yet the exception does not make the rule. Many of us expect a higher standard from seasoned and otherwise well-qualified and educated posters. Kind Regards, GL Extracts From Wikipedia: Demagogy refers to a strategy for obtaining and gaining power and prestige by appealing to the popular prejudices, fears, and expectations of the public — typically via impassioned rhetoric and propaganda, and often using nationalistic or populist themes. Demagogy does not require the use of lying and falsehoods. Skilled demagogues often need use only special emphasis by which an uncritical listener will be led to draw the desired conclusion himself, seeding a belief that is self-reinforced rather than one based on fact or truth. Demagogues make use of logical fallacies, though persuasion may require no use of logic. While it may not rely heavily upon outright lies, the use of half-truths, omissions, and distortions are what define demagogy — it is, in essence, giving bad-faith arguments for the purpose of political gain. Cornel wrote on Hitler: I had of course gone beyond your description. From the historical evidence-- his declared belief in God, Jesus and Catholicism is very clear even though we can never truly know, as with anybody else, what exactly he believed within his Catholic faith. I am however well satisfied that he was misguided in his faith, just as Osama bin Laden is, with regard to his stated devotion to Islam. While some Goanetters are happy to refer to Bin Laden as an Islamo Fascist, I am in absolute agreement with Aristo that Hitler was a Catholic Fascist and in good company with other WW2 Catholic Fascists like Franco (helped greatly by Hitler in the Spanish Civil War), and Mussolini. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa/Konkani Video Clips
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Video Clips links I am glad, over 500 people viewed the clips so far. First one was uploaded on 21st Aug and the second one on 26th Aug. other 4 were uploaded by end of the month. Here it is, just in case you have misssed out.. Some tips: Always keep the video/screen as smal as possible. It was recorded/uploaded on a smaller screen size but Goggle by defaut brings out on comparatively wider screen, hence qlty may be affected. There is one clip with file xtn.MOV which may play the clip silent but qlty is std or good. Just dicovered my Digital camera records Movies but with no Sound. My Digital Camcorder record movies/clips with south but with small screen or with less resolution. Cehck this out.. Church Brass Band http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2262628540048987284hl=en Konkani song http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2262628540048987284hl=en Another Konkani song http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8246855675807639244hl=en Trio kids Konkani Song (silent) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6130935754177078199hl=en Another Church band with fire work http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5480967421792550953hl=en Child actors konkani song http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-523527328281412904hl=en Child actors Konkani song http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-228240468226031145hl=en Report: -Another Konkani Song viewed by 138 -Another Trio Kids Song etc with Sound 4 -Church Brass Band 44 -Goa Church Brass Band, Panjim Church by nite with fire work display etc 10 -Konkani Song (GOA-India) 247 -Trio Kids Song 44 2 -all Child actors Jr.Chico, Hazel, Shruti, Sonia Victor 18 Totals 505 + 2 Happy listening. There are plans to improve pic qlty with new equipments. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... ttp://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] CALAPUR SALT PAN DEVELOPMENT- H C OF BOMBAY AT GOA- ORDER-COMMENTS
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Good job for keeping the pressure on these guys, Floriano! FN On 01/09/06, Floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: COMMENTS: The petition is temporarily disposed for being transfered to the CRZ Authorities for conducting the inquiry if the Salt Pan is infact within the jurisdiction of the CRZ. In case the CRZ Authorities rule in favour of the Developer (HARA), then the Petitioner will have two weeks to go back to the High Court with his arguments why his is not satisfied with the ruling by the CRZ Authorities. Otherwise HARA goes home empty handed and the Salt pans remains to add more ecological balance to Goa's depleting environment, and, also be around to be harvested for natural salt to do away with the new iodized salt culture which is generally believed to be the cause of generating more sick people in Goa through over-doze of 'iodine' in the human system. -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] False statement
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. After Santosh's scientific pronouncements on lies and lying, I needed a swig of the Wikipedia intoxicant which I'm already addicted to. And, it said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie OPENQUOTE A lie is an untruthful statement made to someone else. To lie is to say something one believes to be false with the intention that it be taken for the truth by someone else. A lie involves the use of conventional truthbearers, (i.e., statements made by words or symbols) and not natural signs. Intentional deceit involving natural signs, such as wearing a wig, shamming a limp, or wearing a fake arm cast, is not usually classed as lying, but as deception. A true statement may be a lie. If the person who makes the true statement genuinely believes it to be false, and makes the statement with the intention that his audience believe it to be true, then this is a lie (see Jean-Paul Sartre, Le Mur (1937))). When a person lies he or she necessarily is untruthful, but he or she is not necessarily making an untrue statement. CLOSEQUOTE Oh, wow! Mindblowing! A true statement may be a lie. But that's not all. A trip to Lie (disambiguation) told me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie_%28disambiguation%29 * Lie, to speak untruthfully with intent to mislead or deceive * Lie, an untrue or deceptive statement deliberately used to mislead * Lie or lie down also means to rest horizontally on a surface, such as a bed; see Human positions. * LIE is the International Olympic Committee's abbreviation for Liechtenstein * LIE is the abbreviation for the Long Island Expressway, Interstate 495 * L.I.E., a movie titled after the Long Island Expressway * Lie (album) is a record by mass murderer Charles Manson * Lie algebra (mathematics) Without negating my view that Santosh is a honourable man (other than his belief in the religion of science, and getting taking cyber-debates too seriously sometimes) I would like to ask: (i) Couldn't everyone justify every action on ground of being provoked? Didn't Hitler too believe that he was provoked into attacking his neighbouring countries? (ii) Why does a lie always have to be an untruthful statement made to ***someone else***? FN On 01/09/06, Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In direct contradiction to the assertion above, the following are two unprovoked and very recent flame baits from Santosh. The above statement is false. The following response was provoked by abusive posts containing malicious lies and fabricated quotes meant to malign me in this forum: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-August/047704.html The following response was provoked by the mention of naming of a footwear outlet after george bush in a news report that George cited. It was also provoked by my disgust at the incompetence, mendacity and disastrous policies of george w. bush. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-August/047553.html -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Some links... Portuguese passport... Goa by ferry...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. * Passporte Electronico Portuguese (with a minister of Goan origin) http://www.pep.pt/videos/antonio.htm Thanks to Dr Teo de Souza for the link. * Can I get to Goa by ferry http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,18409-2333711,00.html * Can Wikipedia go Konkani? (Jimmy Wales on Indian languages) http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=localnewsid=32933 http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2006-September/045023.html -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Wanted ... sharable quotes related to Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Fred, Here are some of the requested translations and quotes: Jea konnem Goa pollelam, tannem Lisboa pollonvchi goroz nam. (He who has seen Goa need not see Lisboa.) Goenkarank udarponn fokot ek utor nhoi ti amchi ek parampora. (Hospitality is not just a word for Goans its a tradition.) Goa tum Roma Udentichem. (Goa, you are the Rome of the East.) Dantui moje ani vonttui moje. (To avoid hurting someone close.) Zaka zovta, takach kovta. (Only the injured knows whats pain.) Dusro nachta mhunn apnnem naschem nhoi. (Do whats within your limits.) Melele moxik bara xer dudh; jivi astannam ekui nam. (Nobody utters a word of praise when alive, but one is showered with praises when dead.) Sanjek nasleleak mijeas chodd. (The poor boasts more.) Hanv hansta desak ani des hansta mojea bhesak. (To point out others mistakes while one is at fault.) Khatolo zalear chonno, bolsant nam anno. (To be completely bankrupt.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA From : Frederick \FN\ Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To : Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent : Thursday, August 31, 2006 3:05 PM To :Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject : Re: [Goanet] Goanet] Wanted... sharable quotes related to Goa Hey, come on guys! World Goa Day approaches, and we fight over who should get the credit (even before the project is adequately moving.) Helga discusses the state of culture and a vision for the future (or lack of it) in diasporic-Goa, and it results in a flame war over Gonadians. Everyone is talking about their love for Konkani, but nobody (or am I wrong) is willing to lift a finger and give it new life in a way that makes a difference in a digital age -- by ensure it thrives on computers and the internet! ** I ask for quotes, you'll curse ministers and politicians. ** No wonder it takes 365,000 Goans to fix one bulb. See http://funny2.com/bulb.htm At this rate, we will be able, at best, to fix just three or four bulbs as a community. And for some strange reason, the street light in front of my house keeps going bust every few weeks. Given our small population and declining birth rates, we're running out of numbers here. And, we all (or am I wrong) want to bring an end to the meltingpotability of Goa to embrace and extend and make 'outsiders' into its on. On the contrary, we are making 'outsiders' of 'insiders'. So, someone do something and give me some quotes. I'll stop this haranguing after I get the first one. From a warm and sunny fine evening in Goa (but sunshine doesn't grow quotes!) FN _ Search from any web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Fake quotes
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I' m not too sure why this thread has continued on for as long as it has. SanTosh had a simple question and deserves a simple answer. SanTosh, given your truncation, modification and distortion of quotes you will never be a Catholic in good standing. Peter From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Santosh Helekar Sent: 28 August 2006 08:43 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! Subject: Can someone who lies about others and makes up fake quotes to malign them be a Catholic in good standing? Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Expatriates are lured back and how.........
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Brain Gain: Booming economy lures expatriates Thanks to better career opportunities,a booming economy and improved lifestyle options, a growing number of overseas Indians are packing their bags and heading back to the country in what has become a trend over the past few years. With most Fortune 500 companies having established their presence in India, the same set of Indian professionals who left the country in the past decade or two for better career paths overseas are getting increasingly attracted to India. read more... http://www.hcilondon.net/indiadigest/Issue-87/page3.pdf == President opens education complex set up by U.K. NRI A rural community in the Punjab is being transformed through a major investment in education by a U.K.-based non-resident Indian (NRI). Lord Diljit Rana, a Northern Ireland-based businessman, is developing a visionary educational complex of four professional colleges and a public school at the historic village of Sanghol, near Chandigarh, where he was born in 1938. read more... http://www.hcilondon.net/indiadigest/ === Corporate India posts best results in five quarters A performance analysis of a sample of 854 companies (out of the 1,023 firms) common in all five quarters beginning April-June 2005 shows that this is the best showing put up by corporate India in terms of sales growth since the first quarter of 2005-06 read morehttp://www.hcilondon.net/indiadigest/Issue-87/page6.pdf = Tata Tea buys U.S. firm in biggest overseas acquisition In the biggest overseas acquisition by an Indian company, Tata Tea announced the acquisition of a 30 percent stake in the U.S.-based Energy Brands Inc. (EBI) for $677 million jointly with its promoter Tata Sons.With this, the worlds second-largest branded tea company has beaten Dr.Reddys Laboratories takeover of Betapharm for Rs. 26.68 billion read more...http://www.hcilondon.net/indiadigest/Issue-87/page6.pdf = House of Pearl Fashions plans U.K. acquisition House of Pearl Fashions, an Indian integrated garments supplier with operations in 12 countries,is looking at acquiring a retail chain in the U.K. with an investment of between $75 million and $100 million. read more...http://www.hcilondon.net/indiadigest/Issue-87/page5.pdf = India regains bird flu free nation status India has regained its status of a bird flu free nation that existed before the outbreak of the disease in February this year as no case of the disease has been reported since the last outbreak on April 18, which took place at Jalgaon district of Maharashtra. http://www.hcilondon.net/indiadigest/Issue-87/page6.pdf === RM Education to enterIndian market RM Education Solutions India(RMESI), the Thiruvananthapuram-based offshore development centre of Britains RM Plc, a leading supplier of software, services and systems to the U.K. education segment, plans to foray into the Indian education scene soon http://www.hcilondon.net/indiadigest/Issue-87/page5.pdf === *~Jen Birmingham UK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VascokarsUnited/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IEIGLC/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoanStudentsAbroad/ == __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] The Passing of Pluto
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. The current astronomical tempest in a tea cup over reneging of Pluto's august status as a planet in our solar system seems to have set our Goaneters agog like the Tower of Babel. Considering the hullabaloo, the world could easily get the impression that a Saligao star gazer or a Panjim peeper hit the jackpot in 1930 to first discover this Johnny-come-lately in our solar system's visible ambit of planets. In this homespun elegy, an attempt is made to ponder the humbling loss of this dwarf planet's hierarchical status in our solar planetary system's ennead. Astronomers have abjured the status that was Pluto's (of course its juxtaposition to the Sun is not close) Little darling of a planet must have felt its heart froze The powers-that-be did their omniscient Will impose Among giant constellations Pluto's with the minnows As a major Heavenly body the dwarf can no longer pose In the garden of recognized and watched spatial shows It's now a downtrodden celestial weed not a sweet rose Alas like tides, the prestige of everything ebbs and flows Now certain afficionados this drastic demotion oppose Lamenting the dethronement like weeping widows Denied galactic respect Pluto's every fan well knows to them is like saying wood does not contain cellulose They're really absolutely outraged while being morose And don't intend to take it lying down flat comatose Believing to spite the face, hasty ones did bite the nose The mean arbitrary injustice they seek to hotly expose If the interplanetary torn fabric to mend one sows using persuasion's thread, not an attitude bellicose to find a solution without stepping on one another's toes It could take this planetary spat is as far as it goes and as the strife between opposing parties grows like happy Goans let's retire to tavern of Flo's and Joe's and while carousing find out the cruxes' cons and pros checking thru' fake telescopes, if Pluto still hopeful glows but if our pseudo-starlet no movement legally restores To our petite cynosure let's reluctantly say tearful adieus In requiem Arnold ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] AICHEA DISAK CHINTOP - Setembrachi 2ri, 2006!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Avgoddaientle bhair soronk, ami tantuntlean passar zavnk zai. (To get out of difficulty, one usually must go through it.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Hitler as a Catholic
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of curiosity, I got reading the full texts of many of Hitler's speeches and these took ages. They definitely confirm my contention that Hitler was a Catholic, irrespective of the general consensus that, he was a monster and an extremely obnoxious character responsible for WW2 and the murder of millions. Mario responds: Notwithstanding Cornel's increasingly desperate attempts to portray Hitler as a Catholic, no sensible person puts more credibility in what a megalomaniacal genocidal tyrant like Hitler SAYS than in what he DOES. By his actions over several years Hitler did not abide by a single tenet of the rock solid Catholic moral codes, which proves incontrovertibly that he was not a Catholic. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Are Goencars Leaving Britain Too?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re Brits leaving these shores, I have heard this perennially in the 44 years I have been here. I have always wished it were really true so that there would be more space for those of us on these fairly over-crowded islands. Historically, of course, one estimate is that some 200 million around the world are of UK origin and in the unlikely probability that they returned, the UK would sink under the weight! But seriously, in the current situation, a significant number who go out do return even from such sunny places like Australia and Spain. Mario observes: There is a flood of Anglo-Saxon Brits emigrating to mainly Australia, NZ and the US, where they assimilate easily, fully and permanently. The ones who move to Europe usually do so on a temporary basis. Every naturalization ceremony in the US lists a large number of Brits becoming US citizens and I suspect they do the same in the other English speaking countries they emigrate to. Many I have met cite their dissatisfaction with the Europeanization and wilting of the traditional indomitable British bulldog spirit due to the corroding effect of those immigrants who refuse to assimilate and are suspected of having no loyalty to Britain. It is unlikely that they would return to live in Britain, other than to visit their relatives as Cornel himself has unintentionally admitted when he said above, ...and in the unlikely probability that they returned... ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] What GoaNet means to me....
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. JoeGoaUK, ... a chance to interact with country-cousins and make new friends. Although my views may be unconventional, I commend Herman and his team of volunteer moderators giving me this opportunity to air them and for being able to keep this list interesting and interactive. My wife considers herself a 'GoaNet widow' and I ranked at the bottom of the list being only 24th, with 12 posts in August. Fredrick is a cyberjournalist, besides being a moderator, and so is entitled to his prominent position but I wonder what Mario's wife considers herself ;-) 5 of the top 10 positions went to the Liberals/Democrats and 2 to the Conservatives/Republicans (see ps. below) however, I'm sure Mario gets top honours for total number of original keystrokes (as opposed to forwarded/copy-pasted material) regardless of how repititive his ideas or phrases were. Sorry if I missed out the political leanings of others in the top 10. Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, ON. ps. Selma/Elizabeth had two cyberpersonalities but combined she tied with George with 52 posts beating out Santosh by one post!! /ks -- TOP 25 (August) 1. FN 109 2. Mario Goveia 97 3. Cornel 56 4. JoeGoaUk 54 5. George Pinto 52 6. Santosh Helekar 51 7. Gabe Menezes 45 8. Gilbert Lawrence 38 9. R. Barreto 38 10. Goanet News Serv. 34 11. Jose Colaco 30 12. Albert D souza 29 12. Domnic Ferns 29 13. Elizabeth Carvalho 28 13. Merwyn Lobo 28 13. Carvalho 28 15. Roland Francis 25 16. Cecil Pinto 20 16. Goa 20 17. Francis Rodrigues 19 17. Nasci Caldeira 19 18. Carmo D cruz 17 18. Godfrey Gonsalves 17 19. Eugene Correia 16 19. Goacan 16 20. Aristo 15 21. Radhakrishna Nair 15 21. Valmiki Faleiro 15 22. A Veronica 14 22. Peter D Souza 14 23. Borg Costa 13 23. Coa Sesc 13 23. Vivek 13 24. Eddie Verdes 12 24. Lino Dourado 12 24. Saligao at 12 25. Goanet Reader 11 25. Vidyadhar Gadgil 11 mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Lyrics of Konkani song GANPATI by the late Bab Peter-de-Anjuna
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Since the fervor of Ganesh Chaturti is still on, I would like to share the following lyrics of a Konkani song titled GANPATI (I think) by the late Bab Peter-de-Anjuna, who composed and sang 400+ songs; death suddenly snatched him one and a half year ago: GANPATI by the late Bab Peter-de-Anjuna I Aikonk hi fott disot, punn hanv sangtam tem soth, pollelam dolleanim Ganpatik haddun ghoran, fest tachem kortat honran, Hinduacheam ghoranim Tachi tim puja kortat, bara dis upas dortat, ghor bhorun soireanim Bhoron khoxechea bharan, nistem haddinant ghoran, Ganpatichea disanim Chorus Tanchea dhorman ek kaido asa, Ganpatik haddunk zai ek pavtt haddit tor Vorsachea vorsa tannem haddcho poddta, Daktto tori gorib to zalo tor Ordea disak tori tannim haddunk zai, purvozanim adim haddlolo tor Ghoracher khuim tea odruxtt denvon ieta, ek pavtt haddun bond korit tor II Bhurgo ek aslolo, maim-paik sotaitalo, Ganpatik hadd mhunn ghoran Nistem khanvchem nhoi mhunn, upas ami korcho mhunn, roddo dukachea bharan Konnench tachem aikolem nam, sangnnem kanar dorlem nam, podvi dakoili Devan Soglleank uddovn ghuspavn, apleak zai tea rupan, Ganpati ailo daran Chorus Bombay Mahim hanv ravtam thuimsor, gorib ghorabean ek ojeap ghoddlem Tea cheddeache main bazaran vochon, vis rupianchem ek pamplit haddlem Pamplittachi koddi korunk tinnem, pamplitt katrun mitt lavn dovorlem Ordea horan Ganpatichem rupnnem, pamplittacher disti poddlem III Koslea-koslea rupan, Dev ghoran bhitor sorta, hem amkam kovonam Velim kombea bhattan, Saibinn-Maim disti poddli, punn soglleank disonk nam Devan ghoddla ho sonvsar, tache podve mukar, munxeachem cholonam Hanvui Velim gelam, dolleanim pollovn ailam, fott mhunnonk puttvonam Chorus Sangnneam pormonnem nolleank uzo petton, nolleancher khuim Saibinn-Maim disti poddli Vailankani Saibinn-Maim disti poddli mhunn, vaddeantli sogllich porza ekttovli Ghoddiek ti takach disti poddli mista, mhaka disonk nam hi milagr kosli Kopel bandun aplim novenam korat mhunn, Saibinn-Maim magta asteli From Doms antique shelf! Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Fake quotes
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SanTosh, given your truncation, modification and distortion of quotes you will never be a Catholic in good standing. The above accusation is quite revealing about the problem of ideological prejudice and self-righteousness that I have referred to earlier. The obvious questions that I have to ask this poster are: How about you? Are you a Catholic or Christian in good standing? Have you ever truncated, modified and distorted quotes? Do you consider yourself more moral than me? Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
