[Goanet] Problems of foreigners
Problems of foreigners J.A. Bostock (UK, Goa) I read, nearly daily, problems of Foreigners, (when I say foreigners I mean non Indians,) who have purchased property in Goa that are being victimised as they are spoiling the Goans opportunities of purchasing property themselves, or they are buying property illegally etc etc. I feel that it is time that the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth came out. Behind every foreigner wanting to buy property in Goa, their is at least 3 to 4 Goans participating in the deal, being an Advocate, CA, the seller and a Agent. In UK if a CA or an Advocate, give information contradictory to the law, these people would be struck off and not allowed to practice. In addition they could be sued by the client to retrieve all cost back which were lost due to their incorrect information. If you applied that here, I am sure your problems would disappear over night. The government should not look for scape goats, it should look at the problem at hand, deal with each case individually and depending on the way the property was bought and by what means, they should take appropriate action with all concerned. Many non Indian visiting Goa, do so, because they love Goa, they enjoy joining in with the cultures and people of Goa, unfortunately their is always a few that spoil it for others. I ask the government to deal with unwanted miscreants as the law of the land dictates, however, support the people who have been miss led and taken for a ride with a just manner. Long live a peaceful Goa. Cip UK 'Roman Script' is the popular computer-friendly script for written communication in most languages, including the language of our ancestors Konkani in the 21st century. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet and religion bashing
Every summer this Joe Vaz character performs an annual exercise of verbal abuse against me on Goanet. This time around he has ostensibly taken precious time off from his busy schedule to write a total of 5 trashy posts with the sole purpose of abusing me. Neither Selma nor I had directly provoked him in any way, nor written anything that would make him feel personally offended or threatened. There was absolutely no need for him to exercise his right to self-defense and abuse another human being. But once again he chose to do exactly that. I ask myself, why would any man do such a thing? Cheers, Santosh --- Joe Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Goanet administrators should count all the instances of name-calling by Joe and me, and castigate, suspend or expel the guy who has called the most number of names. -- Now how can one Not agree with Santosh and his self-assumed qualitied names. Perhaps, his complaint about name-calling is his self-assumed name of Pandurang Fernandes etc. (see link below): http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-September/048024.html Or his recently revelation being homosexual (See link below.) Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-August/047967.html Goanet is a free forum and there are no objections on being either a Pandurang Fernandes or homosexual all are welcome. Cheers! Joe I urge the administrators, once again, to take action. PS: Wonder why Santosh wants the Admin to account for the name-calling -- Santosh can do that himself and provide the statistics, which would of course be interesting information. _ NRIs: Send Money FREE! Go ahead and register now! http://ads.mediaturf.net/event.ng/Type=clickFlightID=20273AdID=65989TargetID=11172Targets=11172Values=202,414,1093,1264,3122Redirect=http:%2F%2Fwww.icicinri.net%2Fmoney2india%2F%3Fm2i%3DBAC-MSN%26att%3DMSNTLM2I18CHAR%26rfr%3DMSNTLM2I18CHAR ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Of poder, nistekar, and posorkar
Hi George, Is this Dr Gerald Rodricks the same Gerry Rodricks from Wellington Mews, Marine Lines, Bombay who together with his sisters was at St Xavier's College, Bombay during 1951 - 56? Post 1963 I remember he had a school in Nuvem or Verna on the road to Margao. If so say Hullo to him from me. Cheers Aloysius - Original Message - From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:35 AM Subject: [Goanet] Of poder, nistekar, and posorkar See submission below for the Goa Sudharop Goan Seniors E-book. Please send your essay to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For future details see www.goasudharop.org. Thank you for your support. Goa Sudharop * REMINISCENCES OF MY CHILDHOOD IN GOA By Dr. Gerald Rodricks I feel great joy to reminisce about my childhood in Goa, which dates back to over 75 years. I am a thoroughbred `Goenkar' as both my parents hailed from the same village, Carmona, with the prefix no bairro Fondo as we are supposed to have come from Ponda, so were called Fondos, thank God, not Bondos. I recall some venerable old men in my bairro were nicknamed Porob (which I found out later came from the surname Parab) hence one was Porob-Bostiao and another was Porob-JokinI'm not joking I was the 4th of 9 children and even my birth in Bombay seemed a problem, as my mother became very ill and I was bundled off to Goa, to my grande-mae Sapiensbai (in Latin, the wise one), to be brought up by her from age 6 months up to 3 years. I was taught prayers in Konkani, picked up abuses in Portuguese, healthy eating and proper toilet habits (including not jumping up imagining every piggy would bite my little bottom). Most mornings, granny took me, with both my legs astride her hips, to church, my job being to carry her baankin, which on arrival I would thump the beats of the hymns, to the amazement of the Maestri, who predicted I would be a good musician; which proved prophetic, as for over 60 years I sang with choirs in Bombay, Goa, Kuwait, including the St. Xavier's Choir, the Bombay Madrigals, Goencho Nad, etc. By the age of two, I turned out to be a Tiny-Terrorist, as I would chase newly born chickens, grab one, which led to their sad demise, resulting in being locked up in the Loz, where San Pedro would come to take me to Hellnow I wonder if he'd changed places with Satan. My wise grande-mae must have been a paramedic, because when I twisted my frail ankle, she applied the deek of the Banyan tree onto a piece of paper and stuck it on my ankle, which got cured, more out of fear-psychosis than any curative powers. Bathing those few days was a pleasure as one leg had to be kept up, to dry for a week. Joy and pain were interspersed for me, when my pet goat who gave me my daily nourishment of milk, delivered 2 cuddlesome kids; but sad was the day when a month later, a tall bearded, turbaned, thug took the two kids, telling me he would make them big and return them to me; I waited and cried and cried and waited, in vain; they must be the size of elephants now. A slight touch of consolation came my way, when there appeared an addition to my family, of a tiny posgen named Pidu, who my granny told, would be my playmate and carry my bag when I would go to Bombay. Rusting away in the Loz was a very old tricycle (probably my granduncle's) which had no leather on the seat and no rubber tyres, hence my tricycling around the house, meant more beating, as I left deep furrows on the cowdung floor, which was more agony when the specialist came with fresh dung to re-do the floor. At 3, I was taken to Bombay to do my schooling, but came back twice a year for the May and October vacations. May was the month of mangoes and Litanies. Mangoes remind me of a trip I made with my dad to Margao, where he bought 100 Malcurads, with a bonus of 5 more thrown in, all for Rs.5/- only; the present generation should note, they will not get half a mango for that price. The Litanies I attended at the bairro cross, taught me hymns I can never forget, like Deus Adjutorum nostrum..., Hos signum crucis: and the grand finale Exultemus con alegria. Years later I had the thrill of singing all these, in Florida, at a friend's place, where many Goans assembled and could not contain their joy on hearing them after ages. The October vacations meant devouring bangdas by the basketful, prepared in the most delicious way; in fact, the entire menu in Goa was different; we had black sweet tea, with kankon bangle-bread; poyees, canjee with water pickle, thick red streaked Goa rice, sandnas, koiloroes, filoz and the best being aatoiloly koddi which tasted best when licked directly from the kundlem. Each vacation in Goa meant chasing dragon flies (birmotis); swimming in the toyem and posenk for small fish; whipping
[Goanet] Festachim Porbim CHINCHONKARANK
Sogleam Chinchonkarank Khoxeal borit Monte Saibinichem fest aumdetam. (Wishing all Chinchonkar Happy Feast ) Just came across this on http://www.rsssf.com/tablesi/indiagoachamp.html India - List of Goa League Champions Though football is traced to have entered the State of Goa in 1883, the official League began only 68 years later in 1951, under the aegises of Conselho de Desportos headed by Major Faustino Duarte. The league was called the First Division. There was no Super League. The first League champion of Goa was Clube Desportivo de Chinchinim who beat Football Club of Siolim, to clinch the title. Deu Borem Korum Edward Verdes Chinchinim, Goa ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] 'Chaka-Chak' Sanjith!
Dear Valmiki, Come-on now, will'ya? What is a nice guy like you doing with a pick-axe, going dig-dig at the impeccable super-hero reputation of our dear own Sanjith? With great difficulty and by wearing out his tongue at licking arses of VIPs, Sanjith has managed to move into a posh locality in the vicinity of Mariott Hotel. You do not like the modus operandi? You must understand that when one puts one's full time effort into licking arses of superiors, one gets patted at one's back. These pats are misunderstood by the owner of the licking tongue as pats to congratulate him for a job well done. Little do they understand that these pats are to encourage the licking tongue owner to drive the tongue even deeper for a better result. But our dear Sanjith is not like that, for sure. I don't think he licks arses. On the contrary I think he sucks them. :-)) Half-brained popinjay you say?? Don't you think 'Hare-brained popinjay' would be better suited?? :-)) No! I am one who do not like you saying these nasty things about our brilliant Sanjith Rodrigues. You certainly do not have my vote. Cheers floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Valmiki Faleiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 10:01 AM Subject: [Goanet] 'Chaka-Chak' Sanjith! 'Chaka-Chak' Sanjith! By Valmiki Faleiro Today's column might not please some. Truth often hurts. Let's check out Sanjith Rodrigues and his 'Chaka-Chak' calibre. I admit I did not know Sanjith personally. The little good I knew of him was from his close friend who doubled as my friend. The little bad I got to know of him was from first-hand experience. I must tell that story, to explain how I arrived at the conclusion that this middle-level Government official, much celebrated in the local media, is a half-brained popinjay. I had applied for a LRC Sanad. After due procedure, which included reports from Town Country Planning Dept., Mamlatdar and Land Survey Dept., the Dy. Collector (Sanjith's predecessor) approved the file and ordered payment of the prescribed fees. These were paid. All that remained was for the Dy. Collector to have the Sanad typed, sign, and issue it. Sanads are co-signed by the applicant before two attesting witnesses (being a contract between the State and the applicant.) In the course of business, I had obtained some two dozen Sanads. I knew from experience that once the Sanad was ready, the Dy. Collector's office, by letter, asked the applicant to come forth with the witnesses. Even months after the payment, I did not receive such a letter. Enquiries revealed that the dealing hand was either too busy, or on leave, or had been deputed for revision of electoral rolls, in rotation. The matter lingered. Meanwhile, Sanad fees were raised by the Parrikar government and Sanjith Rodrigues was posted as Dy. Collector, Margao. As the file just didn't move, I called on Sanjith, the mutual friend in tow. It was transparent from word go that the young man was trying to impress me, little realizing that I had several senior IAS and IPS officer friends, incomparable to Sanjith in maturity or wisdom. (Right to an Addl. Special Secretary in the Union Home Ministry, who was SP in Panjim in the mid-'70s.) Cops produced some pavement dwellers picked up the night before. In the discharge of his magisterial duties, Sanjith acted like a medieval despot, orally ordering the police to deport the poor souls. Sanjith succeeded in impressing me, but in the opposite direction than intended. I explained my matter. Sanjith came up with an amazing reply, I will issue the Sanad provided you pay the fees at the current rate. The differential was close to a lakh. I explained that what he was saying actually meant he was reneging on Government's implicit commitment, when it accepted fees at the then prevailing rates from me. Then you should have taken the Sanad when you paid, he said. I said that that had not happened because his office had failed to prepare the Sanad and send me the customary letter. I'm not a Post Office to send letters, was his dumbfounding reply. I told him I would have to pay under protest and take legal action. Do as you wish, but since I'm signing the Sanad today, I will sign only if you pay at today's rates, he said. I realized I was up against a stubborn jackass. I paid under protest, got the Sanad, served a legal notice on the Government to refund the money forthwith, failing which I'd claim it with interest and damages. My advocate's notice was referred by another dumbo Dy. Collector in the District Collector's office not to the Government advocate but to the 'illegal constructions cell'! The court case filed against the State somehow came to the notice of the Chief Minister, Manohar Parrikar. He referred the matter to the Revenue and Law Secretaries. Both clearly opined that Government had exposed its butt for me to spank.
Re: [Goanet] Problems of foreigners
We fully agree with the views expressed hereinunder by Cip (UK). It is the Advocates and the CAs that needs to be suspended rather than penalising people for purchasing properties wrongfully. No one can purschase a property without going through an Advocate, or at least most do not. In our guesstimate if this thumb-rule is made applicable to all land deals in Goa, we thing that Goa will have to start at least another dozen law colleges in the near future if we are not to face acute shortage of Advocates and Lawyers. Ditto with CAs perhaps :-)) Cheers goasuraj - Original Message - From: Goa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Arporanet Com [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ukgoanet Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Goanet goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: [Goanet] Problems of foreigners Problems of foreigners J.A. Bostock (UK, Goa) I read, nearly daily, problems of Foreigners, (when I say foreigners I mean non Indians,) who have purchased property in Goa that are being victimised as they are spoiling the Goans opportunities of purchasing property themselves, or they are buying property illegally etc etc. I feel that it is time that the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth came out. Behind every foreigner wanting to buy property in Goa, their is at least 3 to 4 Goans participating in the deal, being an Advocate, CA, the seller and a Agent. In UK if a CA or an Advocate, give information contradictory to the law, these people would be struck off and not allowed to practice. In addition they could be sued by the client to retrieve all cost back which were lost due to their incorrect information. If you applied that here, I am sure your problems would disappear over night. The government should not look for scape goats, it should look at the problem at hand, deal with each case individually and depending on the way the property was bought and by what means, they should take appropriate action with all concerned. Many non Indian visiting Goa, do so, because they love Goa, they enjoy joining in with the cultures and people of Goa, unfortunately their is always a few that spoil it for others. I ask the government to deal with unwanted miscreants as the law of the land dictates, however, support the people who have been miss led and taken for a ride with a just manner. Long live a peaceful Goa. Cip UK 'Roman Script' is the popular computer-friendly script for written communication in most languages, including the language of our ancestors Konkani in the 21st century. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Olga arrives
OLGA ARRIVES IN KUWAIT FOR JOE FEREIRA'S DRAMA Charming artiste Olga has arrived in Kuwait from Goa to take part in Joe Fereira's tiatro titled ''AMCHE MODEM JIELO'' to be staged on 15th September 2006 at Hawaaly Auditorium at 4pm. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Money for the asking ... tonnes of it :-)
Thanks to my Saligaokar friend Tony Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] (from Donvaddo, then in Austria, the West Indies and now in London) for sending me this very interesting link. Some interesting images of the Goa money of the past. Guess these images are in the public domain, but it won't hurt to credit the source and the people who took the trouble to put it up there. Ron Wise's World Paper Money Homepage This page created by: Ronald Wise Creation date: May 1997 Last update: 18 June 2006 URL: http://www.banknoteworld.com/countries/india.html URL: http://aes.iupui.edu/rwise/countries/india.html o BNU ek rupia, 1924 http://wapurl.co.uk/?VDMO11J o BNU cincoenta rupias http://wapurl.co.uk/?BZAVRA3 o Cinco rupias http://wapurl.co.uk/?11SL1K3 o Trinta escudos http://wapurl.co.uk/?TPPSTEA o Cinco rupias http://wapurl.co.uk/?11SL1K3 o Trinta Escudos http://wapurl.co.uk/?TPPSTEA o Sessenta Escudos http://wapurl.co.uk/?DU10CWU o Uma rupia http://wapurl.co.uk/?U6H83OV o BNU 50 cancelled http://wapurl.co.uk/?G39AI7A o Pagavel na India Portuguesa http://wapurl.co.uk/?HBIUBCY o Trinta Escudos http://wapurl.co.uk/?W5BLJBY o Sessenta escudos http://wapurl.co.uk/?DHLK1G4 o Seiscentos escudos http://wapurl.co.uk/?0338K0F For those interested, this background is from Domnic Fernandes' antique bookshelf (scheduled to be part of his shortly-due book too): Closer home, the first Indo-Portuguese issues of paper currency were the 'rupia' denominated notes, put into circulation around 1883. These were issued in denominations of 5, 10, 20, 50, 100 and 500 rupia. In 1906, the Banco Nacional Ultramarino, as the Portuguese overseas bank was called, was entrusted with the responsibility of issuing paper money in India for the Portuguese-held territories. New denominations of four tangas, eight tangas, one rupia and two-and-half rupia were introduced in 1917. The monetary system in vogue in Goa consisted of the reis, the tanga and the rupia, with one rupia consisting of 16 tangas. In 1959 though, the denominational unit was changed from rupia to escudos, with one escudo consisting of 100 cent avos. New notes with the denominations of 30, 60, 100, 300, 600 and 1000 escudos were introduced. These remained in circulation until Goa's liberation in 1961, when they were replaced by the Indian currency. -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Science as a religion
Once again, to compare Religion and Science is to compare apples and oranges. So it is those who engage in this comparison (or a debate between the two) who have the big problem - and not Religion nor Science. Would one compare (debate) which is better biology or mathematics? Or the sense of smell and the sense of hearing? Are not both invisible stimuli needed for one's total well being? One scientific basic is: One cannot prove negative facts. In this case, No soul No After-Life ... Absence of God etc. And the positive / opposite can only be proven by circumstantial evidence. The worst that atheist say about God is, the abuses in organized religions (during some ancient period of their long history). They say little about the above three, which is really where true atheists (like true believers) should concentrate. Or else both groups are just petoita murre with some on their silly, who is better? discussion. When I visited California, among many, I met an immigrant Croatian physician who is retired. Croatians (unlike Serbians) are Roman Catholic. Among other social things we talked about, was his past time. It was his atheism! The doctor daily spent an hour in atheistic meditation, and a few more hours reading on the subject, e-mailing other like minded individuals, etc. I told him my limited contact with atheists. I asked him why atheists hate their former religion? He responded that these individuals were just confused and not true atheists. He did get his sons (non-practicing Catholics) recently married in the Catholic Church. Who am I question him about this? Perhaps he and his sons may find his Croatian roots, after their walk in the wilderness, while enjoying and thanking God for all the wonderful things around. So my conversation with this doctor was fruitful, because he told me what he DID. And I respected him for his ACTIONS. He did not demagogue what others did or are doing. Kind Regards, GL PS: Let me take this opportunity to return the compliment to Marlon on his statement (which Cornel selected below), Obvious that scientists as individuals will make errors based on their incorrect interpretation of the facts or simply because of the lack of a complete set of data. This is just brilliant. It should make all true / honest scientists bend on their knees and say, Bogos Saiba. I do not know what the pseudo-scientist would do. Perhaps blame God for their human shortcomings.:=)) cornel one key difference between scientific theorizing and religion is that all science is open to falsification. Religious belief by its nature is not, as it is based on faith and not amenable to empirical testing. By way of interest, my students generally had no trouble debating whether there was empirical evidence for the existence of God Science can never be a religion nor does it aspire towards such an end. --- Marlon Menezes For once, Gilbert is making some sense. It is obvious that scientists as individuals will make errors based on their incorrect interpretation of the facts or simply because of the lack of a complete set of data. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] AICHEA DISAK CHINTOP - Setembrachi 10vi, 2006!
Goa tum bonvddekaranchi ranni. (Goa you are the queen of tourists.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Life has UPs DOWNs
Yes, LIFE has ups downs like the sea has high tides low tides, http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/238568087/ If you are sad, remember, it's not the end of the world, happiness could come to you soon. Just do good and feel good. If you are happy, remember, it may not be for long, always be prepared.. Homework: one or two liner on LIFE, please. You can even write more than 2 lines And you could win a prze.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] TCI
Hi Helga, Kindly try the below. Irfan Merchant Asst. Manager - Conference Travel Corporation (India) Pvt. Ltd. (TCI) Chander Mukhi, 1st Floor Nariman Point Mumbai (Bombay) - 400 021 India Board Tel: 0091 22 2202 1881 Fax: 0091 22 2202 9424 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a blessed sunday. Cheers Vivek --- Helga do R. Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Can anyone mail me the tel #s and email of TCI, Travel Corporation of India? A large contingent of Americans is traveling to the NIO for a workshop and I would like to suggest some spots - many have already done Old Goa as they have been to Goa several times. I am going to suggest the newly restored Palacio de Deao and the Peres House but any nature spots? They are keen to see eco tourism type of locations. Thanks Helga ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org __ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] TCI
Dear Helga, As requested. Goa (North) 101, Citi Centre, 19, Patto Plaza, Panjim, Goa 403 001. Tel : (0832) 2438922/23 Fax : 91 (0832) 2438913 Email : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Goa (South) Chase International Building, Behind La Paz Hotel, Vasco, Goa 403 802. Tel : (0832) 2514902/256 God bless Vivek Araujo --- Helga do R. Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Can anyone mail me the tel #s and email of TCI, Travel Corporation of India? A large contingent of Americans is traveling to the NIO for a workshop and I would like to suggest some spots - many have already done Old Goa as they have been to Goa several times. I am going to suggest the newly restored Palacio de Deao and the Peres House but any nature spots? They are keen to see eco tourism type of locations. Thanks Helga ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org __ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Portugal slaps more curbs on passports for Goan residents (Devika Sequeira/Deccan Herald)
Portugal slaps more curbs on passports for Goan residents Devika Sequeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] DH News Service Panaji: New regulations recently brought in by the Portuguese government will shut the doors on many in Goa who have queued up for years to acquire a Portuguese passport. Official correspondence sent to applicants through the Portuguese Consulate in Goa and made available to this newspaper says Portuguese passports will henceforth be issued only to those who hold a Portuguese identity card or an old Portuguese passport issued by the erstwhile Portuguese regime in Goa. Diplomatic sources in New Delhi said though the new rules were not legally valid, they were being implemented under pressure from the European Union to make it extremely difficult for Indians to apply. Under Portuguese law, those born in Goa, Daman and Diu (former Portuguese enclaves) before December 19, 1961 (when the Liberation took place), are entitled to Portuguese nationality. Until now, all it required was an officially authenticated photocopy of the original birth certificate to apply. A senior Congress leader who did not wish to be identified has described the new regulations as racially biased and aimed at keeping coloured people from taking up jobs in EU countries. Portugal's move comes ironically at a time when the country has been liberally issuing passports to the Macau Chinese. Portugal handed Macau back to China on December 20, 1999, 442 years after it took over the tiny enclave. It had held on to Goa for 451 years. If they go unchallenged, the new rules framed by Portugal's Conservatoria dos Registos Centrais (Central Registry Office) will quash the hopes of thousands of applicants from Goa, Daman and Diu. Officials said 12,000 applications for nationality were being processed through the Goa consular office alone. An equal number are in queue to initiate the process. It is no secret that thousands of Indians (many not of Goan origin) have used the Portuguese passport as a route to menial jobs in England, Germany, France and Belgium. Diplomatic sources, however, hold Portugal's central registry responsible for the corruption and inefficiency in the system. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Churchill set to lock horns with Cong....leave Churchill n All of Cong throw out get new in?
Churchill set to lock horns with Cong BY HERALD REPORTER MARGAO, SEPT 9 South Goa MP Churchill Alemao appears set to take on the Congress-led government in the State on a host of issues as he has called a convention of party workers from South Goa later this month and made it quite clear that the people will decide his political future whether he should continue with the Congress or quit the party. The MP also announced his decision to contest the Assembly polls, but left it to the people to decide where and on which party to contest, saying the people are my real source of strength and not the political parties. The government has failed to scrap the Mopa airport or the Expressway highway and has not met the demand for Konkani in Roman script or implemented the Public Distribution scheme. The workers meeting will advised me on the next course of action, an unhappy Alemao told a press conference today. Apparently isolated in the Congress party circles in recent times, Alemao said he does not care for leaders when he banks on the common man for support. Certain Congress leaders are jealous of my rise in politics. They are trying to checkmate me at every level, but has failed, he said, when asked why he suddenly stands isolated in the Congress party. Alemao said the Congress workers convention on September 23 at Margao will apprise the workers on the governments performance on several areas, but refrained from blaming Chief Minister Pratapsing Rane for the situation. Rane is being pressurised by vested people in the government, he claimed. Asked whether he has the authority to convene a workers convention, Alemao shot back no one can stop me from calling such a convention. When pointed out that the Congress may deny him the Assembly ticket since he is an MP, Alemao shot back I do not depend on parties to contest election. The people will decide my ticket and my future. Asked to react to reports that he is only bidding time to quit the Congress and float a party, Alemao said I am not saying that I am leaving the party, But, this question again will be decided by the people. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] London: Ethnic Media: Jobs, Careers Prospects Fair
Thur 21 Sep to Fri. 22 Sep. 10:00 am to 6:00 pm. Byron Hall at Harrow Leisure Centre, London. Free Entry. The show will provide a CV clinic and skills forums. The Business Start-up area will offer advice from how to write a business plan to securing funding. For further information please call 020 7650 2000 or visit http://jcp.ethnicmedia.co.uk/news.cfm?ID=36 Eddie Fernandes ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Whole Grain Sourdough Pita Bread
Dear Dr. D'Cruz, I do sincerely appreciate your good intentions in recommending whole grain fiber to Bardezkars in particular and Goans in general but as usual perhaps you have not thought of the consequences. What if one day your wish to put to death by crucifixtion, the criminal element of Goans, comes true. What if they want the famous Majorda sourdough bread with the equally famous zesty and spicy Salcette sorpotel not to speak of the infamous cold fish, as their last meal. Since you also recommend that such cruicfixtions should be well attended by the general populace, can one imagine the foaming and frothing that may not be just confined to the oral orifice, being splattered on the first row of the watching crowd. No, no. We must allow the crucified only Bardez pao and less spicy viands. Yours insincerely, Roland. Dr. Carmo D'Cruz says: How I wish all Goans were as enterprising as these entrepreneurial and opportunistic Sashtikars, who are now working very hard to switch the Bardezkars and all Goans back to the healthier (more whole grain fiber) and tastier, bran fortified, sourdough Pita Bread. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] CORRECTION: Portugal slaps more curbs on passports for Goan residents(Devika Sequeira/Deccan Herald)
Dear all, this is another example of how distorted news can be published in Goa. This news article can only have one goal: To confuse even more those who are already confused. I believe the writer is refering to the process of acquiring Portuguese citizenship. Not Portuguese passport. But like so many other people, the writer probably does not know the difference hence this poorly written article which serves no purpose other than confusing those who are already confused. The requirement for presenting an old ID document issued by the Portuguese authorities before 1961 exists since at least 2004. It is not a new requirement. It is old news. At least 2 and half years old and it is meant to eliminate fraud since the presentation of a birth certificate alone cannot actually prove that you are who you claim to be. And as we all know, Indians from all over India have been using false birth certificates to impersonate eligible people. The old ID requirement reduces the possibility of fraud in the documents submitted. About the Portuguese ID card being required for issuing a passport, this was always the case. Portuguese citizens are first issued an ID Card (Bilhete de Identidade) and only after can be issued a passport. Again this is not new. It has always been like This for many many years. Acquiring a passport is different from acquiring citizenship. Our Goans refuse to understand this, hence the confusion generated. The writer compares the case of Goans with Macau born Portuguese citizens and the comparison is completely innapropriate and reveals that the confused author does not know what he is talking about. It would have been better if he had left Macau out of this. The Portuguese government issues Portuguese passports to citizens of Portugal only. You need to be eligible for Citizenship first before being issued a passport. According to Portuguese Nationality Law, persons born in Macau before November 20, 1981 (date of the China-Portugal agreement on the handover of Macau) regardless of the parents' nationalities remain Portuguese citizens. Remain Portuguese! They do not re-acquire Portuguese citizenship but remain Portuguese. Those born in Macau after November 20, 1981 are Portuguese citizens only and only if either parent has Portuguese citizenship. So, it is not right to imply that Portugal has been liberally issuing passports to the Macau Chinese. This is wrong and it is misleading! Best regards Paulo Colaco Dias. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goanet News Sent: 10 September 2006 17:39 To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Portugal slaps more curbs on passports for Goan residents(Devika Sequeira/Deccan Herald) Portugal slaps more curbs on passports for Goan residents Devika Sequeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] DH News Service -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 08/09/2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Ingrid's Thirst for Knowledge
Aha! Seems like fun and fireworks. Promises to be infinitely better than the Hitler As A Catholic discussions. Run with it guys. Who's going to take the first baton? For Ingrid: Would you please tell us about your general background. From the structure of your sentences and the words you use, you are not English by birth. The word Portuguese Raj smells of an Indian background or heritage. Are you Goan by any definition. An answer to these questions will tell us how to structure the replies. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Portugal slaps more curbs on passports for Goan residents (Devika Sequeira/Deccan Herald)
Quote: Official correspondence sent to applicants through the Portuguese Consulate in Goa and made available to this newspaper says Portuguese passports will henceforth be issued only to those who hold a Portuguese identity card or an old Portuguese passport issued by the erstwhile Portuguese regime in Goa. Diplomatic sources in New Delhi said though the new rules were not legally valid, they were being implemented under pressure from the European Union to make it extremely difficult for Indians to apply. Under Portuguese law, those born in Goa, Daman and Diu (former Portuguese enclaves) before December 19, 1961 (when the Liberation took place), are entitled to Portuguese nationality. Until now, all it required was an officially authenticated photocopy of the original birth certificate to apply. = Above is not very clear.. The new requirement providing 'óld passport or Id Card' was there more than 2 years ago. Even the agents would not accept fresh applications without it. The abv docs were not neccessarily required from the applicants but it could be also from their parents or grand parents who were born in Goa before 1961. If an applicant is say 15 then (1960) now would be 61 or say just 10 then. now would be 56 Any applicants in this age group? may be a handful (e.g retired seamen etc) No such applicants will have such Id Docs unless they travelled to Bombay with their parents etc before 1961 and if they have kept/saved that Docs. (before 1961, such doc were required even to go the Bombay and Karwar I suppose, as it was part of India and Goa being part of Portugal) Don't know if children were also required such docs while travelling with their parents. Also, under the Portuguese law, not only those who are born before Dec 19, 1961 are entiltled to apply portuguese Passport but also those who are born after 1961 entitled to portuguese citizenship if they could prove that their parents or grand parents were born in Goa 1961. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] I feel your pain:-))
Mario muses: Then the spam-list - they go straight into the thrash. On a slow day I can amuse myself by seeing them squirming and writhing in the thrash section of the archives. This is the problem with Mario. He doesn't know the difference between thrash and trash. He thinks he's thrashing us all pretty hard with his verbal diarrhoea, but we know it's all just... well, trash! Cheers, RKN ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Of rats, Gabe ... and the RAF
Frederick \FN\ Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Gabe, I learnt that he was a currency trader in his earlier days. Oh wow, I thought, instantly. A Goan George Soros! A pang of gilt ran through my mind, as I multi-tasked and felt guilty about not having completed the book on George Soros loant to me by a friend. Since George Soros and me share similar biases as regards Open Source (except that I prefer the more radical Free Software idea), one will avoid saying anything nasty about him here... on how he crashed the UKP, or whatever. FN, George Soros did not crash the UKP. No individual is capable of doing so. The only people capable of crashing a currency are politicians. All Soros did was bet that the UK had an idiotic monetary policy. Soros currently has a massive position against the USD (for similar reasons.) Now give us all some tips on how every Goa netter can become a millionaire, will you? If you are asking Gabe for tips, you better ask for tips on how to become a multi-millionaire. You may be surprised on how many millionaires there are on Goanet. And since I cant resist this, some of these millionaires do not have a God to thank. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Festachim Porbim CHINCHONKARANK
Hi Eddie Firstly thank you very much for your wonderful konkani songs. I enjoy listening to each and every single konkani song that you have sent to me also send if you have songs from C. Alvares (duets - C. Alvares was the King of Duets), Remo Fernandes, S. Lemos (good moral songs), etc. On Friday at St. Josephs church Wembley there was a Konkani Mass presided by Fr. Britto and two other priests. I was surprised to see that the church was almost full with konkani speaking people from Wembley London. SAIBINMAECHEM PORBIM - BOU FEST I remember the feast being celebrated in Bandra Bombay from Sunday to Sunday for one whole week with throngs with people coming there from all over Bombay. kind regards Herman D'Souza --- Edward Verdes wrote: Sogleam Chinchonkarank Khoxeal borit Monte Saibinichem fest aumdetam. (Wishing all Chinchonkar Happy Feast ) ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Bid to revive Young Goans Club, Bahrain
Bid to revive Young Goans Club, Bahrain One of the oldest expatriate clubs in Bahrain is hoping that members will help them find a new home. The Young Goans Club (YGC) have been homeless since suffering a sharp decline in membership. Officials are now hoping to revive interest in the club, which was in the past amongst the most active social establishments in Bahrain. It is our hope to bring back the YGC to the way it was years ago, said club president Andrew Fernandes. The YGC for years served as a 'home away from home' for many Goans in the country. It offered sporting events, other than the popular social events. The YGC has been without a premises since it was forced to vacate from its Hoora location, near the Omar Khayam Hotel, following an order issued by the then Labour and Social Affairs Ministry in March 2004. The club received many complaints from neighbours, who strongly objected to the selling of alcohol at the bar inside. The YGC also ran up a debt of up to BD7,000 in 2004, but officials today assure that it is now in the clear. Formed in 1952, the YGC is one of the oldest expatriate clubs in the country and has in the past been at the forefront of several charitable, cultural and sporting activities. The Hoora premises was the club's second. It was asked to shift from its earlier location in the Shaikh Abdulla Road, in the suq area, in February 2003, after spending 50 years there. Neighbours had also complained then, saying that the club was located too close to a mosque, which has regular religious processions. The YGC had more than 1,000 members at one time, said Mr Fernandes. The membership is now down to 120 members. Despite being homeless, the club is organising social events - many of which help raise funds for local charities. The YGC's Bandra Fair has been moved from September 8 to September 22. It will be held at the Baan Saeng Thai Auditorium, in Adliya. The programme features traditional game stalls, food stalls, live bands, dance competitions, fancy dress competitions, a DJ and the Tapori Contest, or the underworld don contest. Food and sweets are being especially flown in from Mumbai for the occasion. Entrance is free for all members of the Indian Community Clubs and invited guests. For more details contact the club General Secretary Mr. Francis Correia on 39659539. G.R. Crasto (Bahrain) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goa-world.com/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] In Memoriam: Dr. Alvaro de Loyola Furtado
IN MEMORIAM By Eduardo Faleiro We commemorate this year the twentyfifth death anniversary of an illustrious son of Goa, Dr. Alvaro de Loyola Furtado. He passed away on August 21, 1982. Dr. Loyola Furtado was a leader of the United Goans Party and a senior member of the first Legislative Assembly of Goa Daman and Diu. He was an outstanding parliamentarian. His learned interventions and impeccable dignity and decorum are recalled to this day. I met him barely two months before his demise. He had then spoken to me on the need to introduce some amendments to certain pieces of Central legislation which, he felt, were defectively drafted and I had to admit that there was much substance in his studied arguments. He asked me to take up the matter in Parliament. This was typical of the man. His concern was the concerns of the people. Not once, in the decade and half of our acquaintance, did I ever find him seeking personal advancement. His integrity and total involvement in the welfare of the community could never be questioned. He was the epithome of the gentleman politician. Dr. Loyola Furtado left behind a plethora of scholarly writtings. His two major publications relate to issues that continue to besiege us. In O Direito na Propriedade Rustica das Comunidades Aldeanas he dealt with the status and problems of our Comunidades. The Report of the Goa Land Reforms Commission (1963) states that some centuries ago, long before Goa came successively under the domination of Hindu, Muslim and Portuguese rule, a large number of families from across the Western Ghats abandoned their original homesteads on account of war, epidemic or famine and settled in Goa. They formed themselves into cooperative associations governed by heads of family who were known as gaunkars. These gaunkars reclaimed and brought under cultivation marshy and other village waste lands. The foundation of the Comunidade (or gaunkari, its original name) is based on collective ownership of land by a group of villagers. From the total produce a certain portion was earmarked for village welfare. The Government share in the produce was kept aside. The balance was distributed among the members as dividend (jono in Portuguese). Over a period of time, the Comunidades lost their original characteristics and declined into mere societies of rights holders (gaunkars) who are members only by accident of birth. The non-gaunkars who came subsequently and also contributed to the development of the village have no say in the Comunidade. The jono is paid to the descendants of the gaunkar even when they no longer reside in the village, are not concerned with the working of the Comunidade, nor render any service to it or to the village. It is estimated that at present over fifty percent gaunkars reside outside the jurisdiction of the Comunidade from which they take jono. Furthermore, the right of membership does not extend to the women in the family. The Comunidades have ceased to be collective farming societies. The village development activities once the preserve of gaunkaris, are now entrusted to the gram panchayat. The opinion as to how our Communidades should be reformed differs. Dr. Alvaro de Loyola Furtado wanted the autonomy of the Communidades to be fully restored and that Government should cease to interfere in their administration. Dr. H. D. Halarnakar, who has done extensive research on the subject, recommends that the Comunidades should be reorganized as agricultural cooperative societies. Whilst experts might differ as to the solution, there is agreement as to the need to review the Comunidades system so that they may truly fulfill the objectives that justify their existence. In Os primordios do jornalism em Goa e no resto da India, Dr. Loyola Furtado recalls the saga of the Konkani language. The offensive of the maratha troops led by Sambhaji on Santo Estevao, Salcete and Bardez almost put an end to the Portuguese rule in Goa. But for the sudden arrival of the mogul army which attacked the maratha territories elsewhere and impelled Sambhaji to return and abandon Goa, the history of this land would have been quite different, says Dr. Loyola Furtado. To prevent further challenge to the Portuguese Estado da India, the Viceroy D. Francisco de Tavora, conceived a two pronged strategy - transfer the capital to Marmagoa and lusitanise Goa completely, suppressing the local languages so that a linguistic barrier was created to separate Goa from the rest of India. In this frame of mind the Viceroy issued the decree (alvara) of June 27, 1684. The purpose of the decree was to eliminate the local languages from Goa and to replace them with Portuguese. The decree required that within three years Goans should abandon the use of local languages and take to the use of Portuguese. The decree was ratified by a royal decree dated March 17, 1687. The statement of its objects and reasons reads, for
[Goanet] Goanet and religion bashing
On 7 Sep Santosh Helekar wrote: Every summer this Joe Vaz character performs an annual exercise of verbal abuse against me on Goanet. This time around he has ostensibly taken precious time off from his busy schedule to write a total of 5 trashy posts with the sole purpose of abusing me = My comments: Dear Santosh Prior to Mario Goveia joining Goanet, you used to lord over goanet and even hound members out (Alfred Tavares will attest to it) It will take time to sink in your mind that (as Gilbert Lawrence has adverted in a previous post) there is another Goan more smarter than you. Its refreshing to note that its pay back time now and is confirmed by the whining that you have resorted to lately which was unthinkable a year ago. Joe Vaz has given a couple of examples from the archives about your abusive posts but you continue your tirade against him perhaps believing in the adage: Go on throwing mud, even if it does not stick, the stain will remain. Regards Joseph Fernnades Mumbai - Find out what India is talking about on - Yahoo! Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Yahoo! Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/attachments/20060911/b5d663c0/attachment.htm ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Joe Fereira's drama on 15 Sep06 in Kuwait
Its all action and a suspense phenomenon till the last word for the first time on Konkani stage in Kuwait Its the final countdown for Joe Fereiras indegenious maiden blockbuster titled AMCHE MODEM JIELO on 15th September 2006 at the Hawally A/C Hall at 4 pm presented under the banner of Wen-Wen Entertainers. Watch the graceful Antonette de Calangute and Nana Patekar of the Konkani Stage Donald Colaco dishing out a memorable performance by coming back together after 15 years. See the charming Olga with Joseph Rodrigues mesmerizing the audience with their superlative acting skills and glue your eyes for the sensational moments enacted by the new sensation Miss Riyana with Xavier Furtado. Cajetan de Sanvordem will take you back in the nostalgic era of Konkani tiatro.Watch out for Clara performing an oustanding role with Vicky Vaz alongwith with the energetic Succorina. Keep gasping for breath with Comedian Augustino and Comedian Ambe at their peak. Listen and hear Junior Rod and King of Hearts Marcus Vaz belting out their new compositions. Crowds favourite Michael DSilva comes back with renewed vigor. Master Palen will entertain you with his favourites. Hear and think when the new trio in town led by Katty de Navelim alongwith Joseph Rodrigues and Simon Gonsalves unfold the mystery behind the Da Vinci Code. Listen the enjoy the melodies of Mario de Majorda and Ignatuis de Xelvon. Jump in excitement when Zorro unleashes his new invention like never before. Enjoy with Lawrie M and Nelson disclosing the actual facts. All in all it is an evening with memories to linger on. Musical score for AMCHE MODEM JIELO by Dennis (bass) Faustino (trumpet) Philip (keyboards) Philip (lead) and Agnelo (drums). Sound by Spiders. Stage setting Thomas. Special settings by Menino de Ribandar Caetano, Light effects by Levellyn and Online Publicity for AMCHE MODEM JIELO by Goa-net Goa-world.com in conjunction with Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter (since 1994) and Print media publicity by Arab Times and The Times Do not wait till the last minute to book your seat . Bookings in full swing at Raja Stores in Kuwait City and with the promoters on 7983546, 9493035, 7651460,9391452,9540232 9114634 The proceeds of this show will go to an well known Charitable Institution for Child Welfare and Underprivileged Children in Goa. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
