Re: [Goanet] HINDU MASS
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I've entered this discussion a little bit late and I haven't managed to find all the e-mails referring to this issue. I need some clarification: Are people here in *support* of Indian inculturation of Christianity or are they *against* it? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pintomusic.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Clarification regarding misinformation
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you doing a bit of 'yetha or vetha rree'? This is the fastest 'yetha or vetha ree / turn-around' that I have seen. And THIS is embarrassing for someone who calls himself a scientist. Likely you really do not know what you are writing. (Like denying Jayant's written statement / belief in the Goan kani) Gilbert, It is unfortunate that you find it necessary to insult me in every single one of your posts. Interspersed below are my final comments on this thread. If you want to reply to this, please do it without resorting to any more insults. There was little that Jayant said that contradicted me. Unlike you and a few others, Jayant even agreed with me about the kani existing in Goa, albeit not exclusively. :=)) False. Jayant said that there is no such kaanni specifically in Goa. I have spent the first 25 years of my life in Goa. I went to medical college in Goa, the same one that Jayant went to. I have never heard such a kaanni in Goa. 1. The Goan kani, which you deny exists - hence this discussion is really moot. Jayant who has practiced cancer surgery in Goa denies that there is such a kaanni among grandmothers in Goa. 2. The possible deleterious effects of surgery in cancer - for whatever reason - REPEAT by whatever mechanism. Here is what Jayant says at http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-October/049308.html: For some types of cancers, excision of tumour could have deleterious effect on the patient, but in reality this is the exception rather than the rule. In fact, a recent paper in JCO suggests that surgery even in the presence of metastasis is good for the patient. 3. The deleterious effects of surgery on the immune system. The deleterious effect of surgical stress is a separate matter, and a more general one, as addressed by me. Both Jayant and I have pointed out that it does not apply to the effects implied in your erroneous description of the so-called mouse experiment. In a related simile, Galileo observed the earth revolves around the sun. Galileo did not know about Newton's gravitation and other astronomers' theories why that happened. The mauxis had the power of observation. The explanations for their observations is / are for latter-day scientists to work on and advance. And there may be several explanations for the observations which are not mutually exclusive. There is only one explanation for Galileo's observation. The force of gravity! For the inhibitory effects of the primary tumor on metastatic growth in Lewis lung carcinoma, Folkman's lab has shown that the explanation is the secretion of angiostatin, which inhibits tumor blood vessel formation. They have ruled out the involvement of the immune system by observing the same results in immunodeficient mice (SCID mice). Unless of course, if you want to wager with me to donate, to a charity of my designation, if I show you studies in mice and/ or humans showing the possible deleterious effects of major surgery on cancer survival compared to smaller operations (beyond of course the operative mortality).:=)) If you can, all I ask you to do is to tell me where you read the description of the so-called mouse experiment that you provided in this forum. I submit to you and prove to you privately that your decription was completely inaccurate. This is the thrust of the mauxis' kani, in case you missed it. Please note that you referred to grandmother's kaanni. Mauxi is a Konkani word for maternal aunt, not for a grandmother. Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] A woman without a culture of her own
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Victor, I take the liberty of calling you Victor. I don't understand, how can Asians be Caucasians? regards, selma --- Victor Rangel-Ribeiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Selma, Surely those two groups overlap? Some American Asians are American Caucasians? Some Indians, for example? Regards, Victor __ Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta) ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] An evening of Narkasur spotting
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. An evening of Narkasur spotting Din-I-Ilahi, the perfect religion for a very special generation. By Cecil Pinto Big nalkasur daddar!, screamed my son Fabian pointing to a huge green roadside Narkasur effigy, in the popular seated position, somewhere near the St. Inez-Taleigao junction. Fabian had been appointed our Narkasur-spotter while his elder brother Desmond kept up a non-stop conversation with me. This was our annual father-and-sons routine on the evening before Diwali in Panjim. Astride my trusted Activa scooter, with Desmond seated behind and Fabian in front, we would do the standard route from Tonca through Panjim to Mala and back, and in the process see every Narkasur in town. Much more exciting than watching Cartoon Network, and definitely cheaper than a movie, popcorn and cola at Inox. Especially since Fabian turned four. Before that we felt morally justified in saying that he was technically in the three-and-below category, and hence did not need a separate ticket. Small nalkasur daddar, piped in Fabian, who has a language problem not only with 'l' and 'r' but apparently also in estimating size. Any Narkasur above twelve feet was 'big' and anything below that was 'small'. The word 'medium' did not exist in Fabian's vocabulary. Maybe he will grow up intolerant of mediocrity, which isn't such a bad thing! But Dada if they're going to burn the Narkasur why make one at all? It's symbolic son, like the Ganesh idol that costs so much to make and decorate and is then immersed But Ganesh is good and Narkasur is bad, no Dada? So why they are worshipping Narkasur? No son, they are not worshipping Narkasur. It's all symbolic. By burning the Narkasur they are celebrating the triumph of good over evil. Dada is Narkasur the God of Cellphones? Why on earth would you think that son? See so many people are stretching their hands and facing their cellphones to the Narkasurs Those people have camera-phones Desmond. They are not taking blessings, they're taking photos! Dada why are there much more Narkasurs this year than last year? And bigger and better ones? Elections are coming up son. Politicians need votes and supporters. They give money to the local boys to make Narkasurs hoping they will in turn be their supporters come elections. This is a good time for the public. Politicians will sponsor anything from dances to dhirios to get support and votes. So Dada are politicians like Narkasurs then? Far worse son. A Narkasur will stop eating when he is full. A politician's greed has no limit. Dada who exactly was Narkasur? Why does my friend Anubhav talk about Laxmi Pooja? What is Diwali dada? I'm, not quite sure son. I think Narkasur was a demon who used to terrorise the villagers and Lord Krishna killed him. Or maybe they're celebrating Rama's victory over Ravana. Laxmi, I think, is the Goddess of Wealth. Now I wouldn't mind her visiting us tomorrow along with Saraswati, the Goddess of Knowledge. Imagine I would never have to work again and you would not have to do homework. Just kidding son. You don't know much about Hindu religion, do you Dada? Sadly you are right son. We were raised with a blinkered vision of only our religion. I want you to be different son. Learn whatever you can about all religions. Absorb what is good in each religion. You remember the story I told you about Akbar and Birbal? Yes, Dada. Birbal was very smart. But Emperor Akbar was wise and concluded that no single religion could claim the monopoly of truth. He merged the best of all faiths into a new religion he called Din-i-Ilahi. Akbar was a man way ahead of his time. Unfortunately the Din-I-Ilahi didn't have many takers then. Perhaps it should be revived. But Dada grandma says that our religion is the best and our God is the only true God. I don't know son. Some say there is only one God and these are all just different forms. I prefer to think that there are many Gods and all of them are good. What do you think Desmond? I think the Hindu gods really rock Dada. They're so colorful and cool! And they have wars and can fly and carry mountains and have many heads and hands and Can I become a Hindu Dada? Sure you can son! But if you have to change your religion do it for the right reason. Nor because someone offers you some freebies, and definitely not for more colourful Gods! Anubhav says Hindus can become
Re: [Goanet] Hindu Mass
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Mario has said there is no such thing as Hindu Mass. In my opening para I have said Mass in Indian style but later I continued the subject line Hindu Mass. One of the best journals to follow news and new direction in Indian theology is Vidyajothi. Here's two paras, the second one is the concluding one, from the National Catholic Reporter, sometime in 2004, There is also the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith's 1998 notification warning against the writings of the late Indian spiritual author Anthony de Mello. Belgian missionary Jacques Dupuis, who theologized for more than 30 years in India, is yet another who was put under the congregation's microscope. The editors of New Delhi's Vidyajyoti theological journal recently received a multi-paged missive outlining the deviation of some of its authors. These cases are but testimony that, indeed, the Asian church has become a problem for the faith. Such is the theological vision of the church in Asia. It is the fruit of years and decades of engaging with Asian realities, especially the fact of religious pluralism. Since religious pluralism is no longer a phenomenon peculiar to Asia, as the West itself is becoming post-Christian, the church universal needs to take seriously the fact and role of other religions in its theology. The experience of the Asian bishops, as articulated through the FABC, should provide useful clues. FABC is Federaion of Asian Bishops Conference. eugene Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/) ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] SOIRIKEN KAZAR (Arranged marriage) ? Part 3
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. SOIRIKEN KAZAR (Arranged marriage) Part 3 KAZARACHI VOVLIK (Wedding Invitation) Nobody printed invitation cards then. Even relatives abroad, including Bombay, were informed and invited for the wedding through letters. A person who was familiar with the whole ward was asked to go around and invite people for Bhikareanchem Jevonn, Ros and wedding. If no one was at home, he plucked a talli (branch) from a nearby tree and stuck it in the main door key-hole. When the person(s) returned home and found the branch, they asked other neighbors who had come around and got the message. Actually, the entire village was invited by default. For close relatives, the invitation through a messenger was not enough; brides/grooms parents or next of kin had to extend wedding invitation personally or else they would not attend. A person was dispatched on foot to invite far away relatives. In the 1950s, anyone who had a bicycle was assigned the task. In the 1960s, with the arrival of the motorcycle, the task became easier. I have done such tasks on my bicycle in the 1950s and 1960s, and on my motorcycle from the mid 1960s after my father brought me a Honda motorcycle from Kuwait in 1965. During the same period, Basurkarn (Basurkars wife) made use of the few Ambassador or Fiat cars to go around inviting far away relatives and friends. The Basurkarn was accompanied by one or two of her female relatives. In those days it was compulsory to wear flowers on the head while on a vovlik mission, preferably a zuvianchi panti (arrangement of jasmine flowers sewn in a line) was tucked to hair or on a xenddo (a lock of hairs) with a bobby pin. The people in those days were compassionate. The person, who went around inviting people, especially in far away places, was treated very nicely. If he reached a residence between 9:00 and 10:00 a.m. they forced him to have pez; if he entered a house after 12:00 p.m. they forced him to have lunch, and in the afternoon, they offered him tea/coffee with biscuits or whatever home-made sweets they had, including konngeo (sweet potatoes.) Practically, every house offered him a glass of water or xerbot. I just loved the assignment. The invitation was extended thus: Messenger: Hanv kazarachi vovlik ghevn eilam. (I have come to invite you for the wedding.) Host: Konnanchem kazar re baba? (Whose wedding is it?) Messenger: Anjunchea Roque-chea cheddeachem (Roques sons from Anjuna.) Budvaradis, donparchea bara horar bhikareanchem jevonn; Sonvaradis, sanjechea sadde sat horar ros; Aitaradis, sanjechea panch horar Anjuna Sam Mingueliche igorjent resper ani uprant ratchea nov horar novreager kazar. Tumi sogott kazarak ieat ham! (On Wednesday, food for the beggars will be served at 12:00 p.m; on Saturday, ros ceremony at 7:30 p.m; on Sunday, the nuptials will be celebrated at St. Michaels Church in Anjuna and then a reception will be held at the grooms place at 9:00 p.m. Please come for the wedding and reception.) BHIKAREANCHEM JEVONN (Food for the beggars) Bhikareanchem jevonn (food for the beggars) was offered on any one of the days on an afternoon in the week preceding a wedding, except on Thursdays and Fridays, with only a few beggars in attendance most of the crowd were neighbors and relatives in the name of beggars. In Anjuna and in surrounding villages, it was mostly given on a Wednesday. Besides beef, pork and fish dishes, the specialty of the jevonn was sukim sungttam ani suke ambeache padddde ghalun sambareachi koddi ani tachea barabor ukddem xit ani achar ani uprant vorn (fried massala curry with dried prawns and dried mango seeds and paraboiled rice and pickles to go with it, and then a sweet dish called vorn.) This luncheon was offered in memory of the dearly departed souls. Everyone was required to sit on the floor on a souem (large bamboo mat; usually used for movnni [thrashing of the paddy by feet] at harvesting time). People sat either cross-legged or with legs tucked behind. The food was served on cajuchea panancheo boxeo (cashew leaf plates) known as potralleo, the oldest form of plates used by Goans since time immemorial, and they are still in use with the Hindu community in Goa; they use them to serve food at every religious ceremony as well as at wedding functions. These plates were mostly
[Goanet] AICHEA DISAK CHINTOP - Outubrachi 28vi, 2006!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Jednam sonvsara ani tujea modem somandan vosta, tujean khuimchorui biddar korunk zata. (When you are at peace with yourself and the world, any place is home.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Discover. Explore. Connect-Windows Live Spaces. Check out! http://www.msnspecials.in/windowslive/livespaces.asp ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Random thoughts...................
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Vivian D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The level and quality of discussions on GoaNet in recent months has reached a new low. Some of the postings are downright disgusting. They are not amusing! Bwana D'Souza, Those disgusting posts would stop if just 5% of the members here write to the author(s) of the disgusting posts and inform him/her of the same. Since this is not being done, the author of the disgusting posts assumes that his/her posts are acceptable and thus churns out four more every day. To avoid the somewhat liberal censorship of the moderators, discussions have been taken off-Net, and I have had the distinct and unwelcome privilege of being CC ed. I have carefully chosen to remain silent, but the discussions continue ad nauseum. I find that if I inform any of the senders of these group emails that I do not want to be on their CC list, the CC's immediately cease. There is only one exception and this person insists on sending me 15 emails a day even after informing him that I do not want his emails. There are no prizes for guessing who this person is. It reminds me of something I learnt probably on my first day of Kindergarten when we exuberant toddlers made a lot of noise - Empty vessels make the most sound Amen. And finally,I keep the saying in mind that Brevity is the essence of eloquence. Some of the posts are so long that Knowing what is ahead I just delete the post without reading a word. Om. Mervyn3.0 Do not give the devil his duet. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] World Youth championships: Ivana conquers the world, golden day for Goan chess!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. At the start of the 11th round, Asian Silver medallist Ivana Furtado was in the lead with 7.5 points and was sharing the lead with two others Navyavaishnavi and Mahalakshmi with the same number of points. There were 4 girls trailing narrowly on 7 points so everything was pointing towards a razor sharp finish. However, the prayers of all the Goans were answered when Ivana demolished Shoumi Mukherjee to become the Under 8 World Champion. Although Navyavaishnavi also finished with level points 7 year old Ivana edged her out on a better cut progressive tiebreak. In a never before accomplished feat, India swept the medals tally here when Mahalakshmi won the bronze medal in the section. Wonder girl Ivana's feat is even more significant as this was the first time that the Under 8 category was introduced at the World level. She will become thus the first World Champion in this category as well as the first Goan to win a medal at this level! Olympiad player and second seed WGM Dronavalli Harika (ELO 2353) smashed Iran's seventh seeded WIM Pourkashiyan Atousa (2329) in a short game to win the Girls Under 18 section of the World Youth Chess Championships. In this section WIM Mary Ann Gomes (2264) won the bronze medal by beating Meskhi Teona (2088) of Georgia. Ch Sahajashri (1936) won gold as well in Under 12 Girls by drawing with unrated Imnadze Natoto of Georgia to take India's tally to 5 golds. The young hardworking chess players of India won an astounding total of 10 medals which is considerably more than the two we won last year in France and reimposed the faith that the Ministry of Sports had placed in them by clearing a mammonth squad of 41. Significantly, India picked up the World Youth Chess Championship for maximum number of medals for the first time in its chess history. Goa's WFM and Asian Gold medallist Bhakti Kulkarni (2062) beat 10th seed Le Hoan Tran Chau of Vietnam (2072) today in a dazzling diplay to finish in a creditable eight place. She was seeded 11th before this tournament started so she has surpassed the expectations that people had of her. Significantly, she finished ahead of two time National Subjunior Champion and Asian Under 16 Champion P. Lakshmi Sahiti (2136) who had to be content with 12th place after suffering defeat at the hands of Georgia's eight seeded Tsatsalashvili Keti (2082) in the last round. This is the second consecutive time that Bhakti has upstaged Sahiti, the previous one being in the National 'B' in Chennai. SOURCE: Sameer A. Salgaocar - President, GSCA ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Bombay Has New Archbishop - Oswald Gracias
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Everyone, The new Archbishop of Bombay is not an ex-Stanislite. He is an ex-student of nearby St. Michael's, Mahim. See Congratulatury Message to him from Archbishop Felipe Neri Ferrao of Goa: [Goanet] Congratulations to the new Archbishop of Mumbai - Most Rev. Oswald Gracias from Archbishop Filipe Neri Ferrao Diocesan Centre for Social Communications Media - Goa Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:57:14 -0700 The Archbishop of Goa, Most Rev. Filipe Neri Ferrao, along with the Clergy, Religious and Faithful of this Archdiocese, is pleased to offer hearty congratulations to Most Rev. Oswald Gracias on his appointment as the new Archbishop of Bombay. To this third Son of Goa, chosen to lead the Church in Bombay, we offer the support of our prayer and best wishes in the discharge of this new and most important service to his new Diocese. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org Fortunately he is a Goan - like his other two Goan predecessors Cardinal Valerian Gracias of Navelim, Goa and Ivan Dias of Velsao (who nearly missed winning the last papal horse race), Archbishop Oswald Gracias too is destined for the upper echelons of the Church hierarchy. All Stanislites wish Archbishop Oswald Dias all the very best in his new ministry. Best Regards, Dr. Carmo D'Cruz Stanislite, Goan INDIAn Harbour Beach, Florida ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] HINDU MASS
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 07:05 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] HINDU MASS To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I need some clarification: Are people here in *support* of Indian inculturation of Christianity or are they *against* it? This is a bizarre question to ask on a Goan website. At last count, there were 21 people who had posted opinions on this issue, and there were 47 opinions. If you want yes/no, either/or kind of answers, this is the wrong place to visit. -- Question everything -- Karl Marx ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Death of a football organiser
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dubai football lovers received sad news of Moses Colaco's death yesterday (Oct 27). A minute's silence was observed at the three matches -- an exhibition match between Goa vs Kerala, match for third and fourth places, and the final for the Ligorio Trophy -- of the All-Star Entertainment/United Goans tournament. I am informed that Moses died from a heart attack at a park where he had gone for a picnic. I spoke with his wife but since her voice seemed choked emotionally I didn't ask for details. She said she knew who I was as Moses spoke of me. It was about a week ago I chatted with him on the phone and asked him why he is not attending the football matches. He said he was unhappy at the way the two groups were engaged in hitting out at each other in the media. I could sense the sadness and anger in his voice. In one of my posts on Dubai Football I mentioned about a person who was involved in football for ages but does not attend any of the two tournaments. The person was none other than Moses. He was a man of conviction and resolve. It was about two and half years ago I met him for the first time. I don't remember who gave me his contact number but I called him and he said we could meet at a coffee shop at a mall. The main reason to meet him was to ask him if he could arrange an all-Goans team to Toronto. He said it would be very difficult without sponsorships. However, SFX Old Goa/Jumeirah Hotels wanted to go but sponsorship problems too prevented the team from making the trip. Moses backed the team full hilt to take the opportunity to play in Toronto. Besides football, we discussed other issues related to the community. I am told he used to organise the football tournament for the Goan Cultural Society and he did a good job but the GCS was still not happy with him because he was providing goodies for the teams such as free water, etc. The GCS wanted to make as much profit as possible. It seems most of the quarter-million dirhams in the GCS's kitty came from the football tournaments. Knowing him for a short time, I can say that Moses had the players' well-being at heart. Being a player himself before becoming a coach and manager, he knew that players must be cared for, since almost all play in Dubai Goan tournaments without any direct financial benefit. Many players are given jobs by those who sponsor them or by team management and fellow players. Football stirred Moses's heart, the heart that will no longer beat to the sounds of football kicks on the playfield. Last year he told me how he enjoyed his stay in Toronto, where he has many friends from his days in Tanzania. He said he enjoyed Viva Goa, the annual event held by the Goan Overseas Association in Toronto. I suggested Dubai could hold such an event and he seemed receptive to the idea. I will miss talking football and community affairs with him. May his soul rest in peace. Eugene Correia We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com) ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] A generous Goan
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. George, I am 63 years old.I intend retiring and coming to Goa,with my wife, from Oman, to settle down in Cavelossim,where I have a home, in April 07. Is it possible to know from where I can get information about the benfits of the Senior Citizens. Thanks for your assistance. Regards, Joe Gpmes Oman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org To: Goanet goanet@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] A generous Goan Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Many thanks to Mervyn Lobo for a generous donation to Goa Sudharop in connection with his my camp members initiative on Goanet. The donation will be used towards a Senior Home in Goa (to be named later). 2006 has been designated YEAR OF THE SENIOR by Goa Sudharop and awards will be presented on Nov 20 at Hotel Mandovi, Panjim, Goa from 4:30-6:30pm. All invited. Goa Sudharop www.goasudharop.org ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goanet News Headlines * Oct 28, 2006: Curchorem tense over road fatality ... Gandhian-style protest against official
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Goanet News Headlines * Oct 28, 2006 * Curchorem tense over road fatality. Second fatal accident, labourer crushed under wheels of truck. Yesterday a young recently-married lady Shweta Sudesh Bandekar was crushed under a mining truck. (H) o Patto to be Goa's Nariman Point: EDC plans Rs 11.5 cr facelift o Mumbai tourist drowns off Bogmalo beach. (H) o Margao ring road may not see light of day. (H) o Hold panchayat polls on time, says BJP. (H) o Punjab police looking out for Army deserter luring girls.H o Man asked to stop religious activity in Chinchinim residence o Lovelorn youth jumps before running train at Curchorem.(H) o Aldona inauguration of traffic island on Oct 29. (H) o Jesuit Superior General to visit Goa, Nov 5-11. (H) o Alzheimer's centenary celebration held. (H) o Public funds for private works? Quepem councillors build vote bank. (H) o Sancoale Parish Priest Fr Roque da Costa, 25 years a priest o Police hold meeting with taxi, motorbike owners. (H) o Children's Rights in Goa releases directory of services H o Carl Zeiss operating microscope with integrated camera and recording facility launched at Goa Medical College. (NT) o Prove your innocence before law, Mauvin tells Parrikar.(NT) o Case Mauvin filed is direct attack on BJP: Arlekar. (NT) o Crime Branch to probe case against Parrikar. (NT) o Senior German experts to guide workers in small sector.NT o Usgao locals up in arms over dust pollution. (NT) o India, US to hold naval exercise off Goa coast. (NT) o Reliance says: Get new handset, Rs 699, no hidden cost. o Call anywhere in India, Rs 1 per minute. Conditions. BSNL o Kingfisher Voice of Goa finals today. (NT) o National MRF supercross at Campal on Sunday. (NT) o Goa's Ivana Furtado stands good chance of winning a medal at the Girls U-8 chess championship at Georgia. (NT) SWEDISH National Ulrika Kristina Wenger's passport and Visa card found in Margao. The good Samaritan doesn't wish to disclose his identity. Collect from Vaz General Stores or 273 3768. OPERATION GANDHIGIRI... INSPIRED BY A FILM: Goa People's Forum and NGOs working to fight AIDS came together in Gandhian style, to resolve they would no longer face humiliation and abusive language from Dr Prakash Kanekar, project director of Goa State AIDS Control Society. 'Operation Gandhigiri' was held, by symbolically closing their ears to convey that they no longer wish hear insulting words and filthy language showered on them by project director Dr Prakash Kanekar. A negative attitude is even worse than the AIDS virus, said Satish Sonak. The NGOs voiced their frustration presenting flowers to the director with the theme Gali ka jawab phool se (flowers in response to badwords. (H) CYCLE DE TOUR: Bindu Vaz vaz_bindu at rediffmail.com writes: A unique eco-friendly tour, which takes the concept of tourism to another level, has been launched recently in North Goa. Branded 'Cycle de tour', this activity is an experience of the architectural heritage of Panjim that is done on lightweight and comfortable all-terrain bikes (ATBs). The tour starts at Dona Paula and winds through Campal, Altinho and Fontainhas. The 3 1/2 hour ride stopped at various sites along the way, starting with Miramar Circle, Kala Academy, Adil Shah's palace Maruti Temple, Bishop's Palace, High Court and such other interesting architectural sites. An MP3 player provided to the cyclists gave a brief narrative of history -- in English, Hindi, French, German, Russian and Portuguese. A sumptious breakfast at Panjim Inn in the middle of the tour and a beer session at the end of the trip is complimentary. Aquatic Sports Pvt. Ltd. (the company that launched Cycle de Tour) offers two other adventure sports activities in Goa at present: one is branded Seawalk and it entails taking a walk three metres below the sea, on the bed of the ocean for 20 minutes, at Baina beach. The company also offers regular water sports like parasailing and water scooter rides in Calangute, under the brand name H2O. Cycle tours start at 8.30 am at its Dona Paula office. http://www.drishtiadventures.com PORTUGUESE ETHNOGRAPHIC STUDIES? Prominent Indo-Portuguese historian Dr Michael Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] recently wrote on [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-research-net]: A friend and colleague of mine needs help for
[Goanet] After Russian mafia, Goa is open for Germans, Britons
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. After Russian mafia, Goa is open for Germans, Britons TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ FRIDAY, OCTOBER 27, 2006 03:28:01 AM] NEW DELHI: It may sound unbelievable, but around 500 foreigners have made huge real estate investments in Goa. And it's not just the Russian mafia that has taken advantage of the liberalised FDI regime to pump money into the state. The list includes Germans and Britons who have cornered huge tracts of land. The developments in the coastal state have caught the eye of the National Security Council, as also the Union home ministry and the Enforcement Directorate. The NSC had, as reported in ET, revealed that the Russian mafia had made huge real estate investments in Goa. Shaken by reports of a large number of foreigners making a beeline for the coastal state to make real estate investments by taking advantage of a lax interpretation of the Foreign Exchange Management Act (Fema), the state government has now initiated an inquiry to identify such investments and their sources. It has, in the process, discovered that close to 500 foreigners have bought land, most of it agricultural, in the state. Taken aback by reports of land passing into the hands of foreigners in Goa, the Mumbai office of the Enforcement Directorate too has written a letter to the state government asking it to ensure that Fema provisions were strictly adhered to. If we're able to establish that agricultural land has indeed been sold to foreigners in clear violation of the rules and laws, we may take the extreme step of cancelling the allotments,'' a senior state government official told ET. Read the entire article at: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/175667.cms ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] SRILANKAN AIRLINES Commenced from 30th October 2006 from GOA
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. A message to my all NRI Goans, Good news...the PA to CEO of Srilankan Airlines had sent a confirmation to me that Srilankan Airlines will commence their first flight from Goa to Colombo on 30th October 2006 and vice versa. They will fly to Goa twice a week, i.e. every Monday and Saturday. There will be no direct flight from Goa to gulf yet. But passengers from Goa can travel to Kuwait/Dubai and other parts of the world thru connecting flights. Flight Schedule Information from Goa (GOI) to Colombo (CMB) on every Monday Saturday; starting from 30 October 2006 and vice versa. Monday UL 155 Dep CMB - 0530 hours, Arrival GOI - 0730 hours UL 156 Dep GOI - 0830 hours, Arrival CMB - 1030 hours Saturday UL 155 Dep CMB- 0530 hours, Arrival GOI - 0730 hours UL 156 Dep GOI - 0945 hours, Arrival CMB - 1145 hours Connecting flight to Kuwait Flight Schedule Information from Colombo (CMB) to Kuwait (KWI ) on every Monday Saturday; starting from 30 October 2006 and vice versa. MON SAT UL 227 Dep CMB - 1315 hours, Arriving KWI - 1805 hours 330-CY via DXB UL 228 Dep KWI - 1915 hours, Arriving CMB - 0445 hours 330-CY via DXB Please check with your booking agents for discounted fare. Santana Afonso - Kuwait. _ Shah Rukh fan? Know all about the Baadshah of Bollywood. On MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/shahrukh.asp ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Random thoughts...................
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Bwana Karani: Nice to read you on Goanet, after reading your insightful book on your life and times in East Africa! It was almost like being there, following you through all those frontier areas and difficult days that many other Goans would have also shared. A generation and more later, earlier this year, I passed through Entebbe, Kampala and the Sesse Islands in Lake Victoria... only to understand why so many Goans fell in love with this region. My job didn't have anything to do with the task of civilising the natives though. It was to understand (and write about) their involvement with Free Software ... see [http://foss4us.org/] As someone who has been in love with Goanet for half my working life, I would disagree with your pessimism. All it takes is a few nasty guys to kill a good venture; by our silence and pessimism, we are allowing this to happen. There was a time when Goanet had a few hundred readers, and could easily manage itself as an unmoderated mailing list. Herman had to brandish the big stick, and post-posting, threaten to unsubscribe anyone who misbehaved! Goanet has been run for many years as a moderated mailing list. Those on the admin team know what it is to be accused of censoring, inspite of every effort being made to promote a diversity of veiws, including those which moderators didn't agree with. As I see it, time has come for Goanet to be more selective about what it puts out, and thus compel everyone to earn the space for what they have written. This is just a suggestion; which may or may not make sense. It would be nice to hear from other Goanetters as to what they see as the problem, and possible solutions. While we acknowledge problem areas, it would be not apt to forget the potential of Goanet, and what it has done for a decade-and-two years of its existence. In my view, some problem areas are: * Repeated posts, ad nauseam, sometimes on irrelevant, offtopic subjects. * Insulting posts. * Personalised battles, where persons are attacked, not issues debated. * Getting stuck in a few threads (religion, caste, etc) * Inability to 'add value' and take the debate forward. * Abuse of the 'free speech' rule by those who dislike Goanet for whatever reason. * Sitting on judgement over Goanet and its admin in unconnected fora (or cc lists). * Challenge to get more Goa/Goan-relevant content. * Difficulties in shaping views on the basis of some well-considered opinion. Anyway, it's really nice to have you here Mervyn. I also ran into your journalist brother when he was around in Goa once. Maybe in the 1980s. FN On 28/10/06, Mervyn Maciel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Vivian, As a comparative new comer to Goanet, I wholeheartedly share your observations on some of the postings on the net in recent weeks, and your comments that some of these have reached a new low and are dowright disgusting are so true.I was myself tempted to write earlier, but being new, thought I'd wait for a while. From your mailing, I can see there may be others who share your views and am glad you have sen bold to express yourself in this fashion. Much though I enjoy some of the postings, I feel I must reluctantly ask for my name to be deleted from the mailing list as from now, since I shall be quite happy receiving items of interest which Cornel regularly posts on our Goan Voice(UK) newsletter. I know my contribution since my introduction has been nil, and rather than being tempted to enter the fray on some of the contentious subjects which, at times, have not been conduced in a gentlemanly manner, I prefer to bow out now! Meanwhile, let me thank Cornel for initially introducing me to Goanet, (which has helped me to establish contact with a long lost classmate), but sadly, the time has now come to say enough is enough. Mervyn Maciel -- -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ Free Software gives you the freedom to run, study, copy and improve software! ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] After European Charter Flights now its Karnataka buses to Goa's beaches
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre (GDRC) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Through the Fifth supplemental Inter-State Agreement made on 16th August 2006 between the Government of Karnataka and the Government of Goa it has been decided to augment stage carriage operations by way of inclusion of new routes for operation by both the State Transport Undertakings Karnataka State Road Transport Corporation (K.S.R.T.C.) and Kadamba Transport Corporation Limited (K.T.C.) This year there will be buses on the following routes exclusively run by Karnataka State Road Transport Corporation (K.S.R.T.C.) Bangalore-Panjim-Calangute Mysore-Panjim-Calangute Madikeri-Panaji-Calangute Shimoga-Panjim-Calangute Belgaum-Calangute Karwar-Margao-Colva Hubli-Panjim-Calangute Jewargi-Panjim-Calangute Yadgir-Margao-Colva Raichur-Panjim-Calangute - Extract from Official Gazette Govt. of Goa Series I No.21 Extraordinary No. 2 25th August 2006 page 435 to 441 - == GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Working On Issues Of Development Democracy == ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] A woman without a culture of her own
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Selma, Madrassis is a pejorative used by North Indians (especially the illiterate types) to describe the entire population to the south of the Vindhyas. --- Selma Carvalho wrote: Dear RKN, I had no idea but what do you call someone from Chennai? In the Arabian Gulf, we called them Madrassis, with no pejorative connotation to the word. Mario observes: Selma, RKN's assertion is a gross exaggeration, and in my experience, false. Perhaps RKN and his friends used Madrassis as a pejorative, but I grew up in central India post-Independence and had several educated friends whom we referred to as Madrassis. It was not a pejorative term and was used within the community itself. These were ethnic Tamilians from the state of Tamil Nadu, which was previously known as Madras. It was no different than calling a Sikh a Sadarji, or a Nepalese a Gurkha, or an Afghan a Pathan or a Bengali a Bengali. Under British rule, most of south India was ruled from the city of Madras [now Chennai] and was known as the Madras Presidency. A few years after India's Independence, in the early to mid-50s, Indian states were formed based on language. The Indian south was split up into the states of Madras, Andhra, Karnataka and Kerala based on their individual distinctive languages. The name of Madras was changed to Tamil Nadu in 1969. Thus when I was a kid, the state of Tamil Nadu was called Madras, and the capital city of Chennai was also called Madras, and the people of the state were called Madrassis. The name of the city was changed to Chennai more recently. Also, the soldiers of the Madras Regiment in the British Indian Army were known as Madrassis, and these were one of the storied regiments of the British Indian Army in WW-II, as one can see from the book The Road Past Mandalay by Col. John Masters, who was an officer in the Gurkha Regiment. This book is a must read for anyone interested in the exploits of the British Indian Army in the Burmese theater during WW-II. A review of the book can be seen in http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,895675-2,00.html Here is an excerpt: Masters writes emotionally, sometimes overemotionally. But his style in these reminiscences is several cuts above the more self-conscious manner of his fiction. Masters is at his best writing about the peculiar, intense, masculine love a professional soldier has for the men he leads into battle. There came the day in 1945 when the Indian army British, Sikhs, Gurkhas, Madrassis, Pathans swept to the attack for the last time in its 87-year history. Masters, whose family had lived in India for more than 150 years, watched them go with a sudden surge of choking pride: All these men knew their commanders, and as the vehicles crashed past, most of the soldiers were on their feet, cheering and yelling. The Gurkhas, of course, went by sitting stiffly to attention, whole truckloads bouncing four feet in the air without change of expression. The romance of war but only a fool would begrudge us the excitement and the sense of glory, for no one on that plain had wanted war, and all of us had known enough terror to last several lifetimes. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Thimas Pereira, Norwegian Goan Footballer
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Goan Voice UK Dear Circulation Editor: Thank you for including me in your circulation lists. I thoroughly enjoy the synopses of Goa-related news, profiles and views you dispatch via e-mail. I draw your particular attention to the profile of Norway's stalwart footballer, Thomas Pereira, appearing in your October 26 issue. It has reproduced a purported extract from The Times of India's October 24 print. In the extract, Thomas is described as a footballer of Goanese descent. I hope you're aware that term Goanese is downright derogatory. It harkens back to the colonial days when the menial crew of Goan origin serving on British merchant vessels were classified as Goanese on board. As a visitor, I witnessed this personally on PO ships. The dichotomy between Goan and Goanese should be clearly established not just as a matter of semantics but to avoid regurgitating the demeaning memories of those times. True, History cannot be rewritten or expunged but it certainly can be kept in proper perspective. We as Goans are very proud of Thomas and hope his declared ethnicity is properly identified in today's nomenclature which is unequivocally GOAN. I hope you will pursue this item as you see fit. I request you to give me your Times of India contact's e-mail address so that I can pursue this matter further on my own too. Thank you for the excellent network news service provided. Sincerely, Arnold Noronha Wilmington, Delaware, USA Extract: Norway: Soccer: Thomas Pereira: Goan Viking 24 Oct: Times of India. Thomas Pereira, a nifty footballer of Goanese descent, has broken new ground in Norway. He plays for Viking FK, who made European headlines after sending Chelsea crashing out of UEFA Cup in 2002-03 and has represented Norway eight times Pereira says his roots go back to Benaulim in South Goa. My father was a teacher who left India for Africa in the Sixties. Later he came to Norway in 1972. My finest football moment is winning the FA Cup in 2001, he says The footballer of Goanese origin has never been to India. But that could change in future. I would like to visit India and see the place where we originally came from. Soccer-serious Goa would look forward to that. 407 words. Click here. Thomas is the son of Kirstin and Austin Pereira ( ex Masaka, Uganda). He is married to Hanne and they have three sons. For his profile click here. _ Use your PC to make calls at very low rates https://voiceoam.pcs.v2s.live.com/partnerredirect.aspx ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Communidade of Pilerne to decide lease of 35, 000 sq.metres for Industrial purpose
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre (GDRC) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Communidade of Pilerne will meet at their premises on 5/11/06 to discuss and decide on application for lease of 35,000 sq.metres of land for Industrial purpose in uncultivated and unused plot in Sy No. 90/1 situated in the village of Marra by M/s Tahira Computers Pvt. Ltd. 4th Floor Joffre Residency, Behind Pharmacy College, Panjim Extract from Official Gazette Govt. of Goa Series III No. 28 12th October page 253 == GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Working On Issues Of Development Democracy == ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Living on 7 rupees a day!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Living on 7 rupees a day! Total earnings per month - Rs 1500. Members in this Dhangar family - seven. Three are orthopaedically disabled and two chronically ill and old. Average cash in hand that each member has in a day is Rs 7. How much can they possibly spend on food, clothing and medicines? PREETU NAIR travels to Latambarcem (Bicholim taluka) and discovers that beyond the feel-good factory, there is a house where there is a surplus of hunger but no food or hope. This is not the whole story but a window to many such families in the state who live below the poverty line, under similar conditions. LATAMBARCEM (BICHOLIM TALUKA): Jani Singadi's pain and intensity are real. At 65-plus, she has no relief. Her family is swamped by a crisis of many layers: three orthopaedically disabled sons, surplus of hunger, no money, an illegal house gifted by a few philanthropists, rising debt, etc. Probably, a symptom of a much deeper rural distress. It is difficult to talk with Jani. And even more difficult to apprehend her pain. She talks, coughs, cries, takes a deep breath and talks again, coughs . the pattern continues. To put it simply, they are landless people from the Dhangar community, who don't even have the normal avenues of work. She has six sons but three of them are orthopaedically disabled. Her 80-plus husband is blind and the couple suffers from chronic ailments. Collapse of hope has broken up the family and their 23-year-old son Sonu, tired of the unending turmoil and sufferings, left his ill parents and three orthopaedically disabled brothers in search of better livelihood options. The only earning member in the family is 27-year-old Rama, a daily wage worker, who if lucky to get some work in a mining unit, earns Rs 60 a day. Her 16-year-old son is the only literate person in the family. He is studying in standard IV in an adjacent government school. After school, he rushes back home to work as a shepherd in the neighbourhood. He tends goats and in return earns around 5 kg raw rice in a month for his family. So fragile is their economy and equilibrium that more than often they have less than one square meal a day. For clothing, per member has just two shabby and somewhat worn out items . But then what do you expect when the household spends less than Rs 220 a month per person. What can they afford if the most they can spend is, on an average, Rs 7 a day? How much can they possibly spend on food, clothing and shelter? Every moment spent there is instructive as you are forced to think about how they live and on what is it that they live. When GT-Weekender visited the family it was 1 pm on a Sunday afternoon. The family had no rice to cook. When asked if the family was waiting for the elder son to get some groceries, Jani starts crying inconsolably. Seeing her cry, Rajendra, 20, who looks and behaves like a five -year-old started screaming, Don't make my mother cry. Please, don't make my mother cry. The plight of the family makes a deep impact and you understand the acute distress that the family is undergoing. The scenes from the family expose two different rules and realities: the urban rich and rural poor of Goa. This, despite the fact that the government has various schemes for the welfare of disabled and elderly citizens, besides policies for the people living below poverty line. Though they possess a ration card and had applied for the benefits under BPL, unfortunately their name still doesn't figure in the BPL list. And although their suffering is certified as genuine by the Social Welfare Department, which has issued a card stating that three children - Tukaram (22), Rajendra (20) and Laxman (11) - are orthopaedically disabled, they are yet to get financial assistance under the Dayanand Social Security Scheme. It is not that the family has not tried. We have applied several times and still keep sending several reminders to the Social Welfare Department, but to no avail, revealed Jani. What is still worse is that the semi-pucca house gifted to them by few philanthropists is illegal, while their thatched roof house, bearing number 7 in survey number 557, at Balachi Bhand (Latambarcem Comunidade) collapsed on June 26, 2006 due to the heavy rains. It is terrifying. What if we are forced to vacate this house? What will we do, Jani said. The already shattered family is now being troubled by the landlord,
[Goanet] Pilgrimage to Sri Lanka (Blessed Jose Vaz)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Pilgrimage to Sri Lanka (Blessed Jose Vaz) Flying next month 27th, direct flight with Sri Lankan Airways from Goa. It's a 6 day pilgrimage which covers all places where Blessed Jose Vaz worked as missionary. The cost per head is less than 450BP or Rs.35,000. Which includes return air ticket 3 or 4 star hotel stay, all meals, sightseeing as per the itinerary. It's with TRAVCO Holidays. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Bellittling communal labelling
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Roland: Roger Wilco!!! You're a straight shooter. In denouncing the ugly, supercilious, hand-me-down, demeaning labelling inherited from hoity-toity colonial times, you've exposed a longstanding social evil. I fully endorse your deprecating views on the insidious practice of prejudicially calling southerners Madrassis generically. I witnessed it myself growing up in Mahim, Bombay in a predominantly Goan enclave or wadi. The sad part is we still perpetuate this evil parochialism today as it's innate in our social consuetude. Keep up the good work. Cheers Arnold _ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp007001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Domestic Violence Act only to protect wives from husbands and not vice-versa ??
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Domestic Violence Act only to protect wives from husbands and not vice-versa ? Readers may be reminded that Domestic Violence Act (DV Act) 2005 come into effect from yesterday (26th Oct 2006) is primarily meant to provide protection to wife or female live-in partner from violence at the hands of the husband or male live-in partner or his relatives. Besides physical violence, the law also covers verbal and emotional violence such as name-calling, insults etc It is true majority of women are victims of domestic violence. We know/see, read or hear about it all the times. So, not much is talked about it here . The law would go a long way to provide relief to women from domestic violence. When read the morning newspapers following headlines were read: Beware husbands! Beating or insulting your wife from tomorrow (26th Oct) can land you in jail with a fine of up to Rs.20,000. Love your wife or go to jail Well, in this fast changing world, if 70% of women are victims of domestic violence, I would also say remaining (upto 30%) are men who are victims of domestic violence. So, in another words, DV Act only covers about two third of the domestic violence victims ? JoeGoaUk brings to you some of the most popular fact based cases of DV where Men are also the victims of so called domestic violence. (Names/places have been changed to protect identity). Case 1: My name is Saboo (Sabastiao), tall, stylish and handsome looking guy and I wont leave home without my ray ban, girls were dying on me yet I never had a proper girlfriend. I had every thing that a young man in mid 20s should have except one I am illiterate Cannot even sign my name. I did go to school up to Std II ( early 70s, I was about 15) but never been a good boy and I blame the bad company I had in school. I somehow managed to go to abroad/Kuwait and within 18 months I came back due to then Iraqi invasion on Kuwait. I am now starting crossing my marriageable age and desperately looking for bride. Through friends and family, I did go to see or meet many prospective brides (Soirik). I visited their houses, sometimes meeting was arranged at Margao - Longuinhos, Marliz or at Grace church terrace. Within 2 months, I may have met at least 50 prospective brides with their families. Mostly, I was rejected because of my illiteracy. But this one, not looking good at all, knowing all about me accepted as I am (remember, I was fed up and was desperate too) and finally got married. I was 33 she was 26. Trouble started in just one week of our marriage. She overtook almost everything. I was forced to leave my friends (males) and I had to leave them without even assigning any reasons. Strict timing to return home by 7pm. Shouting, screaming and even assaulting physically become part of my life and all these things were happening strictly well within the four walls. Once, she threw a tin (Milkmaid) and it hit me on my forehead which resulted in 3 stitches at the local doctors. She was very good to others or none will believe in me if told about her. We dont go out together, she would never even take me with her to my in-laws. There are problems everyday and night. I never had any affair and I still remained loyal to her we have two beautiful girls eldest being now 19. Which made me never to tell this to anyone (except one), never even thought of separation or divorce. Case 2. My name is Polly and I am from North Goa. I am not so good looking (with dark complexion) but I was happy go lucky with my small tourist transport business with 5/6 people/drivers working under me. The business was good but I had a large friend circle which means always eating and drinking out. There was no saving at all on top the bank loans (taken to purchase cars). We did not even have a decent house, for this, I never took anyone at home and instead entertained them outside- restaurant etc. I am now 32 and time to settle down but what I have in saving ? Nothing! Thinking of going abroad by giving up this transport business as I knew I would never be able to save in Goa. Just around this time, there come the first Soirik (marriage proposal) a Goan girl from UK (just been to UK 14 months). Looking at her I said to myself she!! never as she was equally of dark complexion as mine. She is dark, I am dark, how this will work ? So I reject the proposal. But
Re: [Goanet] Clarification regarding misinformation
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Radha, To begin with, thank you for following this thread. I would think by now most goanetters have given up on two guys arguing more and more about less and less. In response to your post, do I need to do the entire research all by myself? If someone else is interested in the topic, should they not share in the home-assignment? In my experience, people doing their own home-work will learn from independent sources the same facts that I have. This, rather than the detractors just sitting in front of their keyboard, being a contrarian and claiming tho kitem zano? As you mentioned about the inquisition in Goa, do you remember one poster accuse me of making up the history of the inquisition? A few posts later, the same poster was accusing me that, my writings were merely copying what the historians of the period and other experts were saying. All this while the zapper did not post any information about the inquisition except the name of the bishop (not viceroy or king) who introduced the inquisition to Goa. Kind Regards, GL --- Radhakrishnan Nair This is very typical of Dr Gilbert Lawrence. He makes an assertion and then expects others to do the research and provide the material to substantiate his claims. Remember the seemingly never-ending debate on Inquisiton in Goa? Dr Gilbert Lawrence wrote: I look forward to reading the four or five papers and your comments and discussion on EACH of them. Very likely, as soon as Jayant sent you his post, you read these papers and undertook a detailed and critical analysis of the data and conclusions. Hence, this chore of mailing to me the material (that you have) should be 'a piece of cake'. Similarly if your protege Sunith (and others) did this research, he is welcome to e-mail / mail me his analysis of the data and conclusions of his reading of these papers. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] The week that was
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. THE WEEK THAT WAS… By Valmiki Faleiro Goa was a mixed bag last week. Let’s sample some news from the good, the bad, the ugly. In that order. The Madgavkar brothers, Anil and Anand, like many in the younger generation, have shattered the myth that Goans lack enterprise. Madgavkar Salvage, Goa’s homegrown maritime salvage company started by their father, today competes with the best in the world, worldwide. Their latest: neatly and quickly, they removed a fully laden barge that had run aground in a squall off Miramar. First, the cargo was emptied and transshipped. The vessel was then repaired, made watertight and dried out. Finally, it was re-floated and towed away. Within two weeks! Years ago, under global competition, the Madgavkars had sensationally retrieved a huge monolithic statue of Lord Buddha weighing several hundred tonnes that had sunk to the depths of the Hyderabad/ Secundrabad lake. So, when we have a world player in maritime salvage in our own backyard, why, one would ask, should the River Princess languish six years off Candolim? ‘Coz homegrown stuff ain’t meat to our politicians. If the Madgavkars were given the River Princess job, it should have been a neat Anil versus Anil classic. Salgaokar v/s Madgavkar. ENLIGHTENING: Margao, again, showed the way: light a candle, forge oneness. A citizens’ initiative saw people light candles to mark the festivities of Diwali and Id-ul-Fitr last week. Jose Maria Miranda and Gurunath Kelekar merit applause. In a similar display of inter-religious solidarity, predominantly Catholic Borda lit up on the twin occasions, on a call by the Borda Citizens Welfare Committee, an active civic forum at the forefront of many a battle for justice. Let’s not forget that when an old cross was vandalized in the largely Hindu ward of Comba, it was locals like Rajendra Talak and Datta Naik who kept opportunist politicos at bay and had the cross rebuilt and reinstated within the insides of a single day. Different paths, one light. Well done, Madgavkars! SECULAR GOVERNANCE: Goa Government unveiled plans to organize and sponsor a ‘Christmas Crib Competition’ through its department of Art Culture. Pinch yourself. Yes, this is a Congress led government that calls itself secular. Pictures of gods hanging in public offices, ladainhas and pujas in government premises were bad enough. What next? As someone said, sponsor regular Sunday masses and Temple poojas? Time secular-minded Goans told these jokers the meaning of true secularism. QUADRI MESS: The IFFI multiplex was mired in mess from Day One. From the tearing down of huge RCC buildings that once housed the departments and student hostels of the old Goa Medical College, to the idea of a state government building a cinema complex, to its eventual operation. Oddly, many things about the controversial multiplex revolve around the number four, which, any numerologist will attest, spins around money – pots of it. Four screens, that’s what the multiplex is made of. Built at four times the cost, if allegations are to be believed (how could something that took under Rs.7.00 crores to build elsewhere in India take almost four-fold, or Rs.24.00 crore in Goa, people asked.) And now the latest: INOX, the blue-eyed guest of the State of Goa, has upped its initial bid by an incredible four times, to retain its hold on the multiplex. INOX, which owns 11 multiplexes in India, was in 2004 given the task of building (and then running) the Goa multiplex at public expense. Forget the construction cost, what INOX paid the state to commercially exploit the multiplex in the last two years is a joke. The OGL would have continued but for J.P. Singh, the Chief Secretary, who called for tenders. INOX offered Rs.7.30 lakh per month, in contrast to Rs.31.50 lakh bid by M2K of New Delhi. Under a brilliantly drafted MoU, INOX enjoyed an unheard of option (pioneer privilege?) to equal the best bid and retain the multiplex for a further five years. Which it promptly did. If the multiplex earned such huge profits, where did all the crores of the last two years go? THE BELLS TOLLl: About two dozen lives – women and kids included – were lost on Goa’s roads this past fortnight. The toll mounts, as our government works in high gear chopping trees, extending jetties and cooking glitz for IFFI-06. STAGGERING SHAME: Angela Gomes represented Goa seven times in National women’s football. The Sports Authority of Goa
[Goanet] Misinformation regarding cancer
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Cornel, Before this post below, that was sent to you a few days ago, goes 'under the radar' and is ignored by you, could you be kind enough to respond to it? This is not a trick question. It is just an attempt by me to understand what an otherwise intelligent Goan got as a 'take-home message' from my post and the following controversy. Any other responders are welcome to respond publicly or privately. Kind Regards, GL Gilbert Lawrence Hi Cornel, You start your post by claiming what I said in my several posts on this thread (see below). Can you state what exactly did I say that has clear implications for cancer treatment on humans.? Thanks in anticipation. I would appreciate if you were short, sweet and to the point. Kind Regards, GL -- cornel My understanding from the Goanet posts on this issue about cancer is that, a respected oncologist, practising in the USA, Gilbert Lawrence, asserted that, there was evidence from a study on mice that has clear implications for cancer treatment on humans. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] World Youth championships: Ivana conquers the world, golden day for Goan chess!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Goanet Sports goanet@goanet.org wrote: The young hardworking chess players of India won an astounding total of 10 medals which is considerably more than the two we won last year in France and reimposed the faith that the Ministry of Sports had placed in them by clearing a mammonth squad of 41. Significantly, India picked up the World Youth Chess Championship for maximum number of medals for the first time in its chess history. Folks, This reminds me of the old chess joke: A group of chess enthusiasts checked into a hotel and were standing in the lobby discussing their recent tournament victories. After about an hour, the manager came out of the office and asked them to disperse. But why, they asked, as they moved off. Because, he said, I can't stand chess-nuts boasting in an open foyer. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Death of Footballer Angela.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. DEATH OF GOAN SOCCER COACH ANGELA. It hurts me very much to know that one of the excellent ex Goan soccer players and excellent coaches amongst the current ones, Ms Angela Gomes has recently committed suicide out of frustration in Goa. What led her to commit suicide in such a manner to end her life? It is really the insensitivities on the part of the sports authorities in Goa headed by insensitive persons who got no love for sports or for human beings. Earlier in another incident we saw how a young girl, athletics sensation of Goa, Miss Pratima Gaumkar also had to end her life by committing suicide only. What ails our Goan Sports in Goa? Up to now no real truth has been discovered why Pratima Gaunkar committed suicide. Her coach according to available information tried to blackmail her into submitting to his wishes but the young Goan girl was different in nature. Her coach a non-Goan tried to use Pratima to get maximum benefits of her financial deals and when he found it difficult he made the young Goan athlete to commit suicide. It was surprising that none in Goa and in her village Sanguem bothered to go deep into this matter to reprimand her Coach and those behind her misfortune. If the same incident had to take place in the State of her Coach I am sure none in that State would keep silence till the Coach was fully punished either thru law or thru the hands of the public. The non-Goans are rampantly in misuse of our manpower and we Goans are nonsensically keeping silence over their misbehaviour. I remember one incident at Santa Cruz Ground when first All Goa Athletics Meet was organized in 1964 after the annexure of Goa by Bharat. Even Cops of Signal from Bambolim participated with their top athletes of All India stature and the competition was very stiff. The then big man of Goa Sports Authority was one Mr. Mali a non Goan who had strong dislike for Goans and also had a very low opinion of Goan athletes, he was also sexually perverted man according to some of my female colleagues. Our the then Principal of the school St. Josephs High School, Arpora Fr. Mendonca was a genius in organizing these type of Meets, his voice had strong influence and was very respectable Goan at that time and an authority in Sports administration in Goa. I had unique distinction of associating with him in school and at all Goa Athletics Meets and also other sports activities. When he sensed some craziness on the part of Mali and other non-Goan supervisors he warned our girls to keep a distance from non-Goan crazy idiots. The non-Goans who come to Goa are having a very law opinion of our girls and they try to misuse them in one way or the other. Pratima Gaumkar was also suffered the same stroke from non-Goan coach and because of this non-Goan coach, Goa lost a star athlete. Now coming back to Angela Gomes, I cannot understand how Goa will produce best of sporting talents when Goa does not know how to take care of its sportspersons. We adore our sportspersons when they are shining and once they are fizzled out we just ignore them. It is said that till today Calcutta produces best of soccer talents in India and till today they are dominating Indian soccer arena. Why is this? Because they take more care of their soccer stars in all respects. Because they give more respect and more adoration for their ex stars. Rahman was my coach at Sesa Goa in early seventies. His native place was Bangalore but he was engaged by Calcuttas Mohun Bhagan and he played on top form for Mohun Bhagan for many years. He was an international and Olympian. He played as a forward along with our Goan Neville Desouza in 1956 Melbourne Olympics when Neville scored that memorable hat-trick which till today remained unsurpassed. Rahman played for Mohun Bhagan for three times in the victorious team in the finals of Rovers Cup in Bombay. 15 Years after his retirement from Calcutta and Mohun Bhagan he one fine morning returned to Calcutta from Bangalore. When he got down from the Railway at Calcutta he was spotted by the Cauvala who was selling tea in the stalls at Railway platform and then he shouted at the top of his voice the name of his ex football hero, rushed to him and kissed his feet. Immediately then everybody on the platform recognized Rahman and mobbed and hugged him. Rahman was overwhelmed by this kind gesture and said this
[Goanet] Thread Closed: Cancer / Experiments, etc.
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