Re: [Goanet] Goanet's Three Generations/some still stereotyping others

[Mario Goveia]

--- Roland Francis writes:
> >
> > She, Victoria, is equally intelligent, a little
> > too too logical for a woman but defintely 
> > politically correct and blah blah, blah,
> > just like the majority of the fairer species.
> >
> > When I rant at home about the driving habits of
> > the Chinese or the lack of family values of the 
> > West Indians or the pronunciations of the
> > Filipinos, she is immediately on my case, saying
> > "dad, you are a racist, dad you are too old, or 
> > dad you're out of it.". He on the other hand, 
> > will immediately butt in saying "dad is just 
> > telling it as he sees it.
>
> On 11/8/06, Sunith Velho wrote:
> >
> > Contrary to your opinion, I think women are
> > extremely logical and calculating (more so than 
> > most men!) in most matters, except when these 
> > involve their spouses/boyfriends or clothes. You 
> > daughter's present/future suitors will soon learn 
> > that!
> >
> > Also from your post it seems like you are not the
> > only one in your family who is "telling it as he 
> > sees it", your daughter has inherited his trait
> > too.
> >
Mario observes:
>
Thank God for Victoria Francis who obviously has the
common sense to recognize and speak out against her
father's apparent penchant for gratuitous stereotyping
- "fairer" species [???], driving habits of the
Chinese [???], the lack of family values of the West
Indians [???], the pronunciations of the Filipinos
[???] - whereas the other acorn seems to have fallen
much closer to the tree.  
>
"Telling it as he sees it?"  I know several Chinese,
West Indian and Filipino immigrants in the US and
cannot recognize any one of these stereotypes.
>

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Re: [Goanet] Lost tribe of Africa, Mestizos

[Mario Goveia]

--- Eugene Correia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> All this about East Indians is leading us nowhere.
> Where proof is demanded, it is better to go to Olga
> Valladares's thesis. I am not sure if there are
> printed copies of it, but a copy of the manuscripts
> is at the Bombay University. Olga has also penned a
> small book, Goa and Bombay.  I am not sure why Fr. 
> Benny Aguiar has been mentioned in this context. I 
> never heard of him being known as an authority on 
> East Indians.
> 
Mario explains:
>
Eugene,
Are we to gather from this that we need you to hear 
about something before it becomes credible, or leads
us somewhere?  FYI, it is leading to some important
information that was missing from Bosco's repertoire.
>
I mentioned Fr. Benny Aguiar because Bosco was being
obstreporous, so he would have a credible source for
his sudden interest in the "hard evidence" of how the
East Indians came to be known as East Indians, while
also claiming that he wasn't interested in knowing if
it was not I who was providing the hard evidence:-))
>
I learned a lot about East Indian history from Fr.
Benny, who is a family friend and a respected and
credible senior member of the East Indian community
and of the Catholic community in Mumbai.
>

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[Goanet] Banna-halli (Benaulim, Salcete) and the True Goans !

[CARMO DCRUZ]

Hi Mario,

Well, according to my research (done painstakingly in the mid 80s),  
Kannadigas were also  the indigenous people of Goa along with the Gavdas and 
the Kunbis. As a relative percentage, there were more Kannadigas in what is 
now known as Salcette than Gavdas (as compared to Bardez) according to the 
North-South population gradient and spread. So technically speaking, using 
today's colloquia, you Bardezkars have a more Maratha (aka Ganti - from the 
ghats) componont to your ancestry and less of a Kannadiga component than we 
Sashtikars. That's why the Bardezi accent sounds more like Marathi than the 
Sashti accent.

BTW my wife's hometown Benaulim in Salcete or Banna-halli (Banna means 
arrow, halli means village) was supposed to be the place where Parashuram's 
legendary arrow (which he shot from the Sahayadhri Ghats) landed - the 
waters parted, and Goa with its beautiful beaches was born (according to the 
Puranas).  So we can conclude that Salcete was at the Genesis of Goa and we 
Sashtikars are the True Goans !

Best Regards,

Dr. Carmo D'Cruz,
Shastikar, Proud Velkar,
Even More Proud to be a Goenkar,
Indian Harbour Beach, Goa.


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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 08:22:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Panjim or Panaji
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"

Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

--- Miguel Braganza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>The names of villages ending with 'lim' are
>basically from the ancient Kannada names [Goa was part of the 
>Karnataka-based kingdoms from Chalukyas to Bijapuris and Sondekars] e.g. 
>Benaulim was Bandh
>halli, Sanquelim was Sakh halli and Siolim was Shiva halli.
>
Mario asks:
>
Miguel,
Fascinating information.  However, am I to understand
from this that our friend Carmo, apparently from what
was once "Vivek halli", and the other sashtikars he is
so proud of, are of Kannada ancestry?:-))
>
[see
http://www.webindia123.com/karnataka/People/People.htm
>


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[Goanet] Fw: JUSTICE FOR SPORTSPERSONS.

[Floriano]

- Original Message -
From: A. Veronica Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 11:04 PM
Subject: [Goanet] JUSTICE FOR SPORTSPERSONS.


JUSTICE FOR SPORTSPERSONS.

This is in reply to Floriano Lobo goasuraj Pratima Gaonkar. (goasuraj) write
up on 29.10.06 in response to my article on the suicides of sportspersons
Angela Gomes and Pratima Gaumkar and harassment to Dr. Susane D'Souza by Goa
Sports Minister Maddkaikar.

Florian I highly appreciate your comments on the said subject.  I find in
you and your party someone fighting for the cause of Goa and Goans
dedicatedly. This I have seen with my own eyes.  Your party is not like any
other party in Goa that looks only for the election gains.  You take up
causes of public interest.  I know your efforts to raise funds for Pratima's
poor mother and while you were raising funds for her, Maddkaikar and others
were sleeping in Goa.  What have they done for the poor family members of
Pratima?  Why till now the person who has driven Pratima to commit suicide
is not brought to trial?  Where are Madkaikar and Congress Party?  You said
your "Party will revive the cases into the deaths of Pratima Gaonkar and
Angela Gomes and bring the culprits to book. This is a promise the Party
makes to Sports loving Goa and Goans".  I and innumerable friends of mine
support you and your party on this subject and if necessary I will stand by
you on this issue.  The two suicides of Angela Gomes and of Pratima Gaumkar
must be probed and guilty not only exposed but also
punished...


COMMENTS:

Dear  Mr. Veronica,

We at goasuraj appreciate the mighty trust you have in our party. And we
shall see to it that this trust is not found wanting, ever.
They say, in a forest of weeds, brambles and other useless trees, it is
possible to find a lone tree, which some day, some time someone will be
appreciated for its worth and nurtured,  by cutting away the wild creepers
and growth that  is chocking it. Goasuraj is like that lone tree.  At the
moment, it is surrounded by self-seeking  trash.  But there will be more
persons like you who will come to stand by it, in times to come.

 As you have said, we shall  be  taking on the corrupt MLA of Aldona,
Dayanand Narvekar in the coming elections ( his latest unearthed scam is the
IT Park, Dona Paula,  which he has sought to gift to his sister and
brother-in-law in Mumbai . A a PIL in this matter is in the offing). The
party's declaration to this effect will be made on 11th November, 2006, at
Manvin's Hotel, Panjim, where we shall be releasing the "Su-Raj Production's
'first' political awarebess movie  ' NAKA TUM DUSRE PAUT' . The VCDs will be
available at V.P. Sinari, Panjim for Rs. 125/-. The movie has been sponsored
by a good heart and it is based on the Goa Su-Raj Election 2007 campaign
dialogue the party has come out with which is available to be downloaded on
www.goasu-raj.org . Along with the Aldona candidate, the party intends
declaring a couple of other candidates. Work in this direction is ongoing.

Once again, thank you for your trust in us. Apart from not disappointing
persons of good faith like you, we shall not dissapoint ourselves, ones who
have come up to lock horns with the politically corrupt, not only in Goa but
also in the Union of India.

As regards Pratima Gaokar, we did do something that we thought we should do
for her family. Apart from that, contrary to what some people believe, we
are not in the management of the SAG nor at the wheel of governance. Let the
elected government of the people do what the people want done, plus more. We
have many other things to look at. But as promised, we shall look back to
put things on record when we are in the saddle and nobody should doubt it.
The same goes for Angela Gomes. However, our very sincere advice to the
parents and true guardians of young Ivana  Furtado is that they should be
very careful of wolfs in sheep's clothing, to protect the child, to let her
become what she will become, at her own space and time, and to be her
protectors always, so that none of the things that have happened to Pratima
Gaokar and Angela Gomes repeat with her. We wish little Ivana Furtado well.

goasuraj

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Re: [Goanet] [OFFTOPIC] How others deal with diversity...

[Gabriel de Figueiredo]

--- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mario adds:
> >
> Gabriel,
> Perhaps you are unaware that the dictatorial
> Portuguese were just as paranoid, maybe even more
> so. 
> In the years before the liberation of Goa one of my
> cousins used to broadcast anti-Portuguese propaganda
> into Goa from Savantwadi.  Because of this our whole
> family were "blackballed" by Goa's  Portuguese
> masters
> and were threatened with arrest for sedition if we
> went to Goa.  Only after the Portuguese were kicked
> out in 1961 was I finally able to go there after
> several years.

Wouldn't you be jailed and or severely beaten up in
India if you carried out anti-India propaganda today? 
India is still "sensitive" even though it may proclaim
to be "democratic".  Meanwhile, I suppose one can
denounce the English head of state from a corner in
Hyde Park without much fear (except from the hecklers
maybe).

Please correct me if I have commited grave error in my
assumptions.

Gabriel.

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[Goanet] Goan Cultural & Food Festival in Kuwait

[Goan Cultural Centre]

G oan   C ult ura l  &   Fo od  Fes tiv al

 G oencho Sonskruttik & Jevnnacho Utsov



The much-awaited "Goan Cultural & Food Festival " on Friday, 24th November 
2006 at the spacious A/C Auditorium at Al-Amal Indian School  - Salmiya from 
10:30 a.m. to 6:30 p.m is organized by the Goan Cultural Centre-Kuwait. The 
highlights of the event is a 22 member Cultural Troupe - the current State 
Award Winners for Folk Song & Folk Dance, deputed by the Directorate of Art 
& Culture-Government of Goa, flown in to promote Goa's unique cultural and 
musical offering. The designated troupe "Kepemchim Kirnnam" has bagged 
several awards including the National Award in the folk songs category for 
the best original composition "Kalliz Pinzta" in 2003, and comprises of 
renowned writers, composers, teachers and youth having perfect musical 
background.





The visiting troupe has performed all over India and overseas at important 
cultural events including Goa Day Celebrations at India International Trade 
Fair - New Delhi (2003), Paramparya Festival at Quilon-Kerala (2003), All 
India Konkani Sammelan at Calicut-Kerela (2004), Mando Utsov at Mangalore 
(2003), Inauguration of the Konkani Heritage Centre in Mangalore (2001), and 
have performed at All India Konkani Sangeet Sammlan, the Annual National 
Level Folk Festivals organized at Udaipur, and at Panjim (Goa); the 30 th 
anniversary independence celebrations of the Republic of Seychelles, and 
have toured Vientianne-Laos, and Phnom Phenn-Cambodia under the aegis of 
Indian Council for Cultural Relations (ICCR). A full day programme  awaits 
for the whole family with traditional Goan funfare.   Live music by Kuwait's 
top bands, Quality presentations - humourous Konkani comedy skit "Fest 
Vaddeachem Kap'pod Baddeachem" by  writer-director Ignatius de Xelvon with 
'selected stage artistes/singers' and music by Succoro de Melo , stand-up 
mimicry by Goa's one and only 'Shiek Amir' , songs by senior Tiatrists and 
English/Hindi choreographed displays - by prominent young talents among the 
community will be the added features. Games Stalls, Food Stalls and Lots of 
children activities and competitions.  An open invitation for all to 
participate in the event: cultural-culinary-games-on the spot 
competitions-contests for all everyone.  Children below 5 years admission 
free.

Watch out for more details in your favourite English dailies: Arab Times, 
Kuwait Times, and the English Weekly: The Times and Gulf-Goans Newsletter, 
http://www.goa-world.com For more details, contact Tel: 2414446, 6825879, 
9276629 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]





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[Goanet] On Portuguese Brandy!

[Gabe Menezes]

On 08/11/06, Sunith Velho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Gabe,
>
> You can drink Maciera brandy in most  of the Portuguese restaurants in
> Stockwell. I saw someone having a shot, while having a meal at a cheap
> restaurant called "O Moinho" there. I saw it for sale in one of the
> Portuguese supermarkets there as well.
>
> There is also a p\Portuguese supermarket in Ladbroke Grove near
> Portobello(opposite Patissiere Lisboa) that sells Portuguese brands of
> liquor.
>
> There is another wine shop in Camden that has a huge collection of
> Portuguese wines(not sure about brandy).
>
> Regards
> Sunith Velho


RESPONSE: Well, Sunith seems after such a short while, you have been
around London and know more than me ! Thanks for the tips, I had been
to Stockwell many years ago. Parking is a nightmare in both places, I
shall try on Sunday. Your Portuguese Girlfriend is sure getting you
into bachalau!

The Union of Navelim are celebrating their Annual Feast day at Bishop
Thomas Grant School, tickets include a meal and priced at £13. Sunday
19th November is the date. For tickets please email me and I shall
give you the person's contact phone #

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Gabe Menezes.
London, England
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[Goanet] [Fwd: Cheap places to stay in Mapusa and Panjim]

[Herman Carneiro]

Please contact Kristain Fernandes directly.


 Original Message 
Subject:
From:"kristain fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:Wed, November 8, 2006 9:30 pm
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hello

  im frm pakistan planning to visit mumbai n goa
  if u culd find me a cheap place to stay wtih my fly of 4

  in mapsa or panjim

  tks

  gracelta



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Re: [Goanet] Spiralling Untruths and Whirling Dervishes within and without Goa

[Carvalho]

--- Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Cecil:
I do not claim
> to be the expert on 
> divorce and extra-marital sex in Goa. I have no
> immediate interest in the 
> topic and hence feel no need to present any
> statistics to defend my 
> statements. > 
---

And that is the crux of the matter when one feels no
obligation to prove anything but can just say that the
statements made by other people are incorrect. Then
the audacity to gloat that they've proved credibly
their point. It's a bit like Goan politics. Do a
Hindifilmi dance, obscure the topic, make wild
allegations against opponents, muddy the intent and
voila, you have won the argument.

Selma
-


 

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[Goanet] 10th November FRIDAY BALCAO to focus on the Regional Plan 2011 & ODP's

[Goadesc]

--
Welcome to the FRIDAY BALCAO
--

Dear Cybergaonkars on Goanet,

Friday Balcao the fortnightly discussion event
to be held on 10th November will focus on the
implications of Goa's Regional Plan 2011 & ODP's.

If one would take a closer look at the Final Regional Plan 2011
for Goa one immediately gets the impression that there is a
determined effort to transform Goa into a Hawaii on the west coast
of the country.

That the Regional Plan is tourism driven is obvious with the
converting of large tracts of forest, orchard and agricultural
land into settlement zones for the purpose of new Townships,
luxury condominiums, 5 star hotels and Golf courses.

Lest we forget, in 1987 almost 20 years ago the Goa Govt.
tried to push the Tourism Master Plan which had a similar
agenda as the present Regional Plan but had to shelve
the same after massive peoples protest.

Were the Village Panchayats, Zilla Panchayats and Municipal
Councils consulted before finalizing the Regional Plan ? Will the
Government of Goa discuss the Regional Plan in the Legislative
Assembly before its implementation ?

What will be implications for the Environment, Ecology and Identity
of  Goa ? Has the Govt. taken into account the carrying capacity of Goa
when embarking on such a course to convert Goa into a tourism
State? Will the Central Government proposals to declare Goa as a
(STA) Special Tourism Area or convert the State into a Free Port
be revived ?

What are options of the local governing bodies, community
organisations, environment groups and NGO's to get the Regional
Plan 2011 withdrawn ?

The Balcao discussion will cover these questions and
also evolve an agenda for action by citizens on the issue.

Friday Balcao will be from 4pm to 6pm
at the Goa Desc Resource Centre
No.11 Liberty Apartments Feira Alta,
Mapusa and is open to members of the public.

We invite you to attend the Friday Balcao event
but if you cannot attend, then please send your
views by post to FRIDAY BALCAO
Post Box 78, Mapusa 403 507
or by email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

best wishes,

Roland Martins
===
GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE
Documentation + Education + Solidarity
11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
---
Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy
===

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[Goanet] Jamir decries opposition to Expressway

[Gabe Menezes]

http://oheraldo.in/node/20340

Jamir decries opposition to Expressway

BY HERALD REPORTER
MARGAO, NOV 8 — With many an eyebrow raised over the Regional Plan and
Outline Development Plans for the cities, Governor S C Jamir has
called for striking a balance between environment and development, but
made it amply clear that people should not oppose development projects
such as the 6-lane Expressway.
"The state should strike a balance between ecology and development,"
remarked the governor, when newsmen drew his attention to fears
expressed in many quarters that the Regional plan would destroy the
State's greenery.
The governor, however, said the Regional Plan is not yet been
implemented and hoped that a lot of debate would take place before its
implementation.
When his attention was drawn to the opposition to the proposed 6-lane
Expressway as it would only destroy human habitation and ecology, the
governor said "people should not oppose development. The State
requires development. Development is for the people."
He further said that the people should look to the future as the
State's population and economy is heading for an increase manifold.
"Goa's identity is definitely heading for a change in the next 10-40
years. The government has to keep in mind future requirements and plan
accordingly. Development and environment should go side by side," he
said.
Earlier, the governor praised Goa's infrastructure terming it as
progressive and standard in the country.
Referring to the comments made by Portuguese Ambassador that Goa is
like Brazil, he said: "Goa is indeed a different land, where people
live in perfect harmony."
"The State is so charming that people feel like coming to Goa again
and again. This is the special feature of Goa and its people," Jamir
added.
The governor further said the spirit of truth should prevail amongst
the NGOs working for the society, saying "NGOs should practice truth,
compassion and transparency."


-- 
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Gabe Menezes.
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Re: [Goanet] JUSTICE FOR SPORTSPERSONS.

[Floriano]

JUSTICE FOR SPORTSPERSONS.

This is in reply to Floriano Lobo goasuraj Pratima Gaonkar. (goasuraj) write
up on 29.10.06 in response to my article on the suicides of sportspersons
Angela Gomes and Pratima Gaumkar and harassment to Dr. Susane D'Souza by Goa
Sports Minister Maddkaikar.

Florian I highly appreciate your comments on the said subject.  I find in
you and your party someone fighting for the cause of Goa and Goans
dedicatedly. This I have seen with my own eyes.  Your party is not like any
other party in Goa that looks only for the election gains.  You take up
causes of public interest.  I know your efforts to raise funds for Pratima's
poor mother and while you were raising funds for her, Maddkaikar and others
were sleeping in Goa.  What have they done for the poor family members of
Pratima?  Why till now the person who has driven Pratima to commit suicide
is not brought to trial?  Where are Madkaikar and Congress Party?  You said
your "Party will revive the cases into the deaths of Pratima Gaonkar and
Angela Gomes and bring the culprits to book. This is a promise the Party
makes to Sports loving Goa and Goans".  I and innumerable friends of mine
support you and your party on this subject and if necessary I will stand by
you on this issue.  The two suicides of Angela Gomes and of Pratima Gaumkar
must be probed and guilty not only exposed but also
punished...


COMMENTS:

Dear  Mr. Veronica,

We at goasuraj appreciate the mighty trust you have in our party. And we
shall see to it that this trust is not found wanting, ever.
They say, in a forest of weeds, brambles and other useless trees, it is
possible to find a lone tree, which some day, some time someone will be
appreciated for its worth and nurtured,  by cutting away the wild creepers
and growth that  is chocking it. Goasuraj is like that lone tree.  At the
moment, it is surrounded by self-seeking  trash.  But there will be more
persons like you who will come to stand by it, in times to come.

 As you have said, we shall  be  taking on the corrupt MLA of Aldona,
Dayanand Narvekar in the coming elections ( his latest unearthed scam is the
IT Park, Dona Paula,  which he has sought to gift to his sister and
brother-in-law in Mumbai . A a PIL in this matter is in the offing). The
party's declaration to this effect will be made on 11th November, 2006, at
Manvin's Hotel, Panjim, where we shall be releasing the "Su-Raj Production's
'first' political awarebess movie  ' NAKA TUM DUSRE PAUT' . The VCDs will be
available at V.P. Sinari, Panjim for Rs. 125/-. The movie has been sponsored
by a good heart and it is based on the Goa Su-Raj Election 2007 campaign
dialogue the party has come out with which is available to be downloaded on
www.goasu-raj.org . Along with the Aldona candidate, the party intends
declaring a couple of other candidates. Work in this direction is ongoing.

Once again, thank you for your trust in us. Apart from not disappointing
persons of good faith like you, we shall not dissapoint ourselves, ones who
have come up to lock horns with the politically corrupt, not only in Goa but
also in the Union of India.

As regards Pratima Gaokar, we did do something that we thought we should do
for her family. Apart from that, contrary to what some people believe, we
are not in the management of the SAG nor at the wheel of governance. Let the
elected government of the people do what the people want done, plus more. We
have many other things to look at. But as promised, we shall look back to
put things on record when we are in the saddle and nobody should doubt it.
The same goes for Angela Gomes. However, our very sincere advice to the
parents and true guardians of young Ivana  Furtado is that they should be
very careful of wolfs in sheep's clothing, to protect the child, to let her
become what she will become, at her own space and time, and to be her
protectors always, so that none of the things that have happened to Pratima
Gaokar and Angela Gomes repeat with her. We wish little Ivana Furtado well.

goasuraj


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