[Goanet] CONDOLENCES

2007-05-22 Thread CAJETAN DE
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We deeply mourn the sad and tragic demise of Mrs. Carol Coelho and convey 
our deepest sympathies and heartfelt condolences to her husband Mr. Cosme 
Coelho, children Crystal and Creighton and all the family members.

President & Members of United Friends Club
Kuwait. 

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Re: [Goanet] Aires Rodrigues and the Goa elections

2007-05-22 Thread Eugene Correia
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Oops, instead of saying "apolitical" I forgot the "a".
Sorry.

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Re: [Goanet] Creationism versus Evolution

2007-05-22 Thread Alfred de Tavares
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>Subject: Re: [Goanet] Creationism versus Evolution
>Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 16:42:09 -0400 (EDT)
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>"Frederick \"FN\" Noronha"
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> > What's wrong if Orlando believes in what he wants
> > to? Why should we try to convince him otherwise?
> > I hope his beliefs make him a better person...
> > that's all that matters.

Rico, How bad is the guy in prospect? god forfend worse than I.

&, would you endeavour to turn him as good as you? Better? On par?

Chacha

>
>FN,
>There are beliefs and then there is knowledge. Here in
>Canada there are people who refuse to accept blood
>transfusions because of their religious beliefs. I
>have no problems with such people who, essentially,
>remove themselves from the gene pool because of their
>beliefs. However, the same person becomes a problem to
>society when he also insists that his infant child
>should not receive a blood transfusion, one that would
>save the infants life.
>
>I think you will agree with me that this is an example
>of when knowledge has to trump beliefs.
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[Goanet] [WildGoa] Save the Frogs! Do your part as a volunteer

2007-05-22 Thread Clinton Vaz
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Hello Goanetters,

The monsoons are just a few days away, and the first unseasonal 
shower that occurred here in Benaulim has got me up and writing this 
urgent mail out to you all.

For centuries, at this time of the year in Goa, various species of 
frogs come out of hibernation to celebrate the arrival of the 
monsoons and play their part in the transformation of dry fields 
into nature's orchestra of croaks, cricket creaking, thunder and of 
course, the sound of rain.

Its unfortunate that misinformed and misguided locals hunt these 
frogs for meal that not out of necessity, but because its considered 
as an exotic delicacy. Frogs are often blinded by torches, clubbed, 
thrown into sacks by the hundreds and sold to unethical 
restaurateurs that simply skin and cut of their legs while they are 
alive and leave them to die a slow and painful death.

Over the last 2 years, WildGoa volunteers have gone into the fields 
stopping poachers though nonviolent means of information, education 
and politeness. They have had a tremendous success rate and 
encouraged by the response over the last two years, we plan to 
continue this year too, with more volunteers, and with your support 
of course.

Join us for a meeting at locations mentioned below for an informal 
meeting on how to go about it, or just support the cause by your 
presence.

See you there!

Clinton..
9890936828

WEDNESDAY, 23rd May 2007 at Kala Academy Canteen, Panjim & on 
FRIDAY, 25th May 2007, at Anna Fonte Springs, Margao
Timing: 6pm
Duration 30-45 mins.
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Re: [Goanet] Now, Fr. Conceisao found canvasing from the Church altar

2007-05-22 Thread Gabe Menezes
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On 22/05/07, JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Now, Fr. Conceisao found canvasing from the Church altar
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> Read more..
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> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=509195010&size=l
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> He says, all parties contesting Goa Assembly election are agents of communal 
> parties except
> Congress.
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> What about SGF ? Is it communal too? (or agent of communal parties?)
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COMMENT: His Lordship the Archbishop of Goa should have the Rev Fr.
transferred to Gujarat, immediately if not sooner !
-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London, England
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[Goanet] GOAN WELFARE SOCIETY (GWS) - KUWAIT ELECTS NEW MANAGING COMMITTEE

2007-05-22 Thread Wilson Coelho
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GOAN WELFARE SOCIETY – KUWAIT (GWS) Elects New Managing Committee:

At the Annual General Body Meeting held recently, the Members of the Goan 
Welfare Society- Kuwait, elected 14 members to constitute the Managing 
Committee for the term 2007-08. In a peculiar turn of events, one of the 
elected members resigned immediately thereafter, citing personal reasons for 
his decision. 1- Mr. Alex Wilson Coelho heads the committee as the duly 
elected President. The other committee Members are: 2- Mr. Sydney Furtado, 
Vice-President; 3- Ms. Sharon De Souza, General Secretary, 4- Mario Rebello, 
Jt. Secretary; 5- Mr. Rabindra Pimenta, Treasurer; 6- Mr. Joseph F. X. 
D'souza, Jt. Treasurer; 7- Ms. Philomena Rebello, Membership Secretary; 8- 
Ms. Muriel Alphonso, Head of Educational Cell; 9- Mr. Cajetan Pereira, Head 
of Cultural Cell; 10- Mr. Mario Fernandes, Member Cultural Cell; 11- Mr. 
Domnic Araujo, Member Cultural Cell; 12- Mr. Franco D'Souza, Member; and 13- 
Mr. Anthony D'Costa, Member. The newly elected Committee is all set to draw 
out an elaborate plan for the well-being and progress of the Society.




(Alex Wilson Coelho)
Hon. President
GOAN WELFARE SOCIETY - KUWAIT

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[Goanet] [JudeSundayReflections] Pentecost Sunday

2007-05-22 Thread Jude Botelho
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20-May-2007 
   
  Dear Friend,
   
  We have all met people who are enthusiastic about something or another. 
Whatever it is that they are enthusiastic about there appears to be a passion, 
a fire that has taken hold of them which they cannot restrain, it spills over 
and all can feel it. God can bring about newness in us if we let his Spirit 
take over our lives. Let him in! Have a blessed weekend letting the Spirit 
enthuse our daily life. Fr. Jude 
   
  Sunday Reflections: Pentecost Sunday–Come Holy Spirit and renew. 27-May-07
  Readings : Acts 2:1-11;   Romans 8: 8-17;John 
14:15-16, 23-26;
   
  On the fiftieth day of Easter, (which is what Pentecost means) the Jews of 
Jesus' time recalled the gift of the Law on Sinai. In this context, the gift of 
the Spirit, the birth of the Church, and the salvation of all mankind in Jesus 
Christ – the Christian Pentecost – is presented by Luke as the promulgation of 
the new law, and the beginning of the mission of all men. The narrative from 
the Acts is full of signs and symbols of the gift of new life given to all 
mankind. There are the strange sounds that all heard, the tongues of fire that 
descended and rested on each one, and the gift of tongues so that all spoke the 
language of love, understood by all peoples. Pentecost is truly a divine gift, 
which has to be gratefully accepted by all. 
   
  Speaking the same language
Almost hundred years ago Dr. Zamenhof, a Polish linguist, constructed a new 
language that could be shared by people throughout the world. The artificial 
language Dr. Zamenhof created is called Esperanto, "the language of hope." The 
name signifies hope for humankind that a common language might heal the 
divisions that exist among the different peoples of the earth. -The feast of 
Pentecost is the Church's celebration of her unity and universality in the Holy 
Spirit, and so some of the readings used express this in terms of language. Dr. 
Zamenhof's invention of a universal language like Esperanto has been followed 
by: establishing the United Nations Assembly, holding of Summit meetings, 
having cultural exchanges and reviving Olympic Games. But Pentecost is more 
than a work of human creation, more than a work of art and music. Pentecost is 
a new outpouring of God's Spirit into our hearts to kindle in us the fire of 
his love. 
Albert Cylwicki in 'His Word Resounds' 
   
  In the second reading from Paul's letter to the Romans, Paul reminds us that 
thanks to the Spirit, the power of the resurrection is already at work in our 
lives. The Spirit helps us to rid ourselves of the power of sin and to live as 
the family of God. We do not have to follow our sinful inclinations and evil 
tendencies provided we listen and follow the promptings of the Spirit. Above 
all the Spirit gives us the power and the possibility of calling God by that 
most intimate of terms, 'Abba Father.' We cannot only call God our Father but 
we can live as his favoured children. Paradoxically, thanks to Jesus, we have 
the right to call God our Father. 
   
  Carnal versus Spiritual
There was once an Eskimo who used to take his two dogs for a bet-fight in the 
town square. One was a black dog the other was white. The people gathered week 
after week to see the dogs fight and betted heavily. On some days the black dog 
won and on others the white. No matter which dog won, the Eskimo made money. 
The secret behind duping the people was that he would feed the dog which he 
wanted to win well.- Do you feed your spiritual self and keep it strengthened 
to win over the carnal person? "For I delight in the law of God after the 
inward man, but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my 
mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members" 
(Rom 7:22-23) 
Daniel Sunderaj in 'Manna for the Soul'
   
  In today's gospel Jesus reminds his disciples that a true follower cannot be 
contented with words, he must express his love for Christ by keeping his 
commandments, in order to live as Jesus lived. We cannot on our own strength 
keep the commandments of God, for sin and its consequences affect our lives and 
we remain in bondage. That is why we need God's spirit to set us free and to 
direct us on the path to God. The Spirit reminds us of our commitment to God 
and helps us constantly to be faithful to God by making us experience His 
presence in our lives. We need the Spirit to remind us of the way to the 
Father; to refresh us when we are weary and faltering due to our weaknesses; to 
encourage us so that we do not give up our fight against sin in us and around 
us. Left to ourselves we cannot manage, but with his Spirit 

[Goanet] Goa news for May 23, 2007

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Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.


*** BJP looks to Goa to revive sagging fortunes (Cricmania)

New Delhi, May 22 - Demoralised after the dismal showing in
Uttar Pradesh, the Bharatiya Janata Party - is hoping to reverse
its fortunes with the Goa elections next month.The mood should
be quite upbeat by the time the party's national executive meets
in Jaipur June 15-17, say BJP leaders optimistically.Party vice
president Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi admitted that the defeat in Uttar
Pradesh was 'a ...

http://www.cricmania.com/cricket/rssNews/index/user/us03/ref/25350051069/title/BJP
looks to Goa to revive sagging fortunes


*** EC orders shifting of Goa DIG (The Times of India)

The Election Commission on Tuesday ordered immediate shifting
of Ujjwal Mishra, DIG of Goa, from his current duties for
"ineffective handling" of the poll duties.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/EC_orders_shifting_of_Goa_DIG/rssarticleshow/2066584.cms


*** EC orders shifting of Goa DIG (NDTV)

The Election Commission has ordered immediate shifting of
Ujawal Mishra, DIG of Goa, from his current duties for
''ineffective handling'' of the poll duties.

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20070012878


*** Gowda leads dharna in Goa (The Hindu)

PANAJI: As announced by him earlier, former Prime Minister and
Janata Dal (S) president H.D. Deve Gowda, accompnied by a few
party office-bearers and workers, staged a token dharna at
Gandhi Chowk in Old Goa on Tuesday morning protesting police
...

http://www.thehindu.com/2007/05/23/stories/2007052306521200.htm


*** Advani says he would talk to Centre about threat via real
estate in Goa (New Kerala)

Panaji, May 22 : Senior Bharatiya Janata Party leader Lal
Krishna Advani today said that he would discuss with the Centre
the concerns raised by the National Security Council (NSC)
regarding internal security threat through real estate in Goa.

http://www.newkerala.com/news5.php?action=fullnews&id=32069


*** NCP to work towards communal and social harmony in Goa (New
Kerala)

Panaji, May 22: NCP Secretary Tariq Anwar today said his party
would work towards communal and social harmony in the ensuing
June 2 elections in Goa.

http://www.newkerala.com/news5.php?action=fullnews&id=32035


*** Election Commission orders transfer of Goa DIG (ANI via
Yahoo! India News)

New Delhi, May 22 (ANI): The Election Commission (EC) today
ordered the immediate transfer of Ujjwal Mishra,
Deputy-Inspector General of Goa, from his current duties for
ineffectively handling election duties ahead of the June 2
Assembly polls in the state. The EC also ordered that Mishra
should not be given any kind of responsibility related to
elections. The Commission also ordered the ...

http://in.news.yahoo.com/070522/139/6g3j0.html


*** Advani says he would talk to Centre about threat via real
estate inGoa (ANI via Yahoo! India News)

Panaji, May 22 (ANI): Senior Bharatiya Janata Party leader Lal
Krishna Advani today said that he would discuss with the Centre
the concerns raised by the National Security Council (NSC)
regarding internal security threat through real estate in Goa.
"I have read this matter in Goa media and I propose to take this
up with the Government of India," Advani told reporters at
Panaji. ...

http://in.news.yahoo.com/070522/139/6g457.html


*** BJP looks to Goa to revive sagging fortunes (IANS via
Yahoo! India News)

New Delhi, May 22 (IANS) Demoralised after the dismal showing
in Uttar Pradesh, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) is hoping to
reverse its fortunes with the Goa elections next month.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/070522/43/6g3ds.html


*** BJP looks to Goa to revive sagging fortunes (Calcutta
News)

Demoralised after the dismal showing in Uttar Pradesh, the
Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) is hoping to reverse its fortunes
with the Goa elections next month.

http://www.calcuttanews.net/story/250627


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[Goanet] Best bet : HERALD, May 20

2007-05-22 Thread Philip Thomas
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[Self]

Sorry but this is not quite right. The rest fall into TWO categories, 'ugly'
and ugliest'. The latter consists of the 9 previously mentioned ones whose
raw scores are all under 5%. The 'rest' numbering 21 are those who have SOME
scores greater than 5 or even in double digits but didnt make it to the top
10.

But whichever way you slice and dice the salami the result is still
depressing. The numbers are badly skewed towards the bottom of the heap. Our
MLAs as a group just dont seem to inspire much confidence. What is the way
out? Some really creative thinking may be required. Is goanet up to the
challenge for Goa's sake? Let's hope so.


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[Goanet] 'Elected Unopposed' - GOMANTAK TIMES (Goa) May 21, 2007

2007-05-22 Thread Valmiki Faleiro
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‘ELECTED UNOPPOSED’
By Valmiki Faleiro

Elections are expensive. That home truth hit Luizinho Faleiro after his first 
two elections.
Navelim was, no doubt, a former UGP (turned Congress) bastion. Election expenses
were a song as compared to other fiercely fought constituencies like nearby 
Margao.
The problem was Luizinho, a former Zuari Agro Chemicals employee, was 
perennially
broke. He didn’t have money even to replace a broken stand of his ramshackle
‘Crusader’ motorcycle.

As his third election approached – eventually held November 22, 1989 – a small 
circle of
friends, Luizinho’s think tank, wondered how to mobilize funds for the 
campaign. I
happened to be part of that group. The prospects were truly formidable. In the 
new
delimitation, Navelim constituency had been reorganized. Though it appeared a
contiguous unit on paper, the ground reality was that extensive new areas, 
being the
four villages of Varca, Orlim, Carmona and Cavelossim, which since 1963 were 
part of
Benaulim, had been added to Navelim. And all these areas, where Luizinho would 
have
to work from scratch, were situated on the other side of River Sal!

“Why undergo the torment of an election campaign?” Radharao Gracias, I think,
suggested, rather preposterously, “let’s try and get him elected unopposed!” 
Only at
Panchayat ward level, where the electorate seldom crossed the 1,000-voter mark 
those
days, a stray candidate got elected unopposed. But, at the State Assembly 
level? Even if
fantastic, one wished, in the circumstances of Luizinho’s financial status (he 
was not yet
a minister then), it could somehow come through.

The going had been smooth for Luizinho in the previous two elections. In the 
maiden, of
January 3, 1980, Babu Naik, then South Goa’s undisputed Congress leader, paid 
for
Luizinho’s election deposit. The party provided bulk of the campaign materials 
and
funds, which were minimal, considering the huge Congress wave all over Goa 
following
the April 23, 1979 disgrace in the Assembly by the then ruling MGP. In a 
practically
straight fight, Luizinho easily defeated MGP’s Benedito (“Bishut”) Temudo by a 
margin of
some 5,400 votes.

His December 27, 1984 election was, however, a different ball game. Having 
walked out
of the Congress, Luizinho was a ‘Goa Congress’ candidate. He was pitted against 
the
same Bishut, this time the Congress candidate. To his credit, Luizinho did 
admirably,
defeated Bishut by about 5,600 votes, and was the only successful man of the Goa
Congress throughout Goa.

As nominations for the Nov-89 polls opened, we kept our closely guarded secret 
– and a
hawk’s eye on those filing their papers from Navelim. Even if farfetched, the 
possibility of
an unopposed election was not discarded. At close of nominations, we set to 
work in all
earnest. There was this boy from Carmona. He worked at Fabril Gasosa. His boss,
Erasmo Sequeira, had fielded him as the Janata candidate. We easily won him 
over.
The poor chap lost his job. There was Vasquito Martins from Varca. We spent 
several
nights over him. It was then Margao Dy SP, Alex Rasquinha, who finally won 
Vasquito
over. Later, when Luizinho was a powerful minister in the Rane cabinet, he had
Rasquinha shunted to a limbo post at Police HQ!

The toughest to crack was Luizinho’s own brother-in-law, “Babush” Xavier. He 
was the
only man left … a paper-thin difference between a historic, 
first-in-Goa’s-history triumph
and the mortification of launching an election campaign. Personal animosities 
were at
play. Babush was surprisingly stubborn. Our man Friday, Churchill Alemao, also
Luizinho’s “kumpar,” was friends with Babush. We put him on the job. It was, 
thanks to
Churchill’s days-long resolute convincing, that earned Luizinho that place in 
history. And,
perhaps, the cheapest Goa Assembly election victory, ever!

Like Rasquinha, we also know how Luizinho repaid Churchill…

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The above article appeared in the May 21, 2007 edition of the Gomantak Times, 
Goa

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Re: [Goanet] Aires Rodrigues, and Goa elections

2007-05-22 Thread Eugene Correia
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I am not surprised at Aires Rodrigues changing his
stances. And I am surprised why others are suprised at
his support of BJP. In his interview to Goa Today, he
has said that the his Goa Bachao Andolyan (GBA) cannot
remain "political".
Lot of secular-minded Goans would not want BJP back in
power, however good it claims to be and however good
is may have been during its short reign. The saffron
colour and "ardi charddi" do not fit into the Goan
secular environment. 
In Aries's about turn, the GBA should learn a lesson,
though I am surprised why they encouraged such a
person in the first place. Goa Today's Managing Editor
Vinayak Naik has called him "ever so dynamic".
Probably an untrustworthy dynamo would have seemed
apt.
May his tribe increase.

Eugene
PS: Can someone post a full list of the candidates
constituency wise. Or, is it available on the web/


   

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Re: [Goanet] To Selma/ To santosh/ To goanet & other fish caught therein...

2007-05-22 Thread Santosh Helekar
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Dear Charudattbab,

I was Chimbelcho from and by birth. The digs over
Chachacha were those of my uncle. But we did have a
rented roof over our heads in Mala for a few years -
not within sight of the hallowed tavern, however. Now
about babes, I am talking about random sampling from
my not-so diligent studies of them.

Cheers,

Santosh


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> 
> Re: Dear Bab Santosh,
> 
> I wonder how someone like you would know that? Given
> that before you became 
> "Chimbelcho", your home used to be in Gurunath
> building where the Cha cha 
> cha tavern was housed,  it is possible to assume the
> above. But it is 
> unlikely that You, You Santosh, were so keenly
> vigilant in matters related 
> to thoroughfares of babes in Cha cha cha! I remember
> you as a brilliant 
> young student who was diligent in his studies and
> not study of babe - 
> traffic !!?! Unless of course, you had a balcony
> view of everything that 
> went on in there in chachacha...
>
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[Goanet] Now, Fr. Conceisao found canvasing from the Church altar

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Read more..

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He says, all parties contesting Goa Assembly election are agents of communal 
parties except
Congress.

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[Goanet] Part 3 - Adverts about (GBA) Goa Bachao Abhiyan in the newspapers

2007-05-22 Thread Goa Desc
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Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre (GDRC)
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BEWARE OF CONGRESS AND BJP AGENTS!!
-

Some individuals calling themselves followers of
Goa Bachao Abhiyan have issued and advertisement
in a section of the press asking people to beware of a
Organisation/political party, not named, in the coming
assembly elections.

*It is strange that these so called followers of GBA have *
*not disclosed their identity, because they are probably *
*a front for Congress and BJP.*

We the undersigned, in our own way, have equally
struggled for the success of GBA, which was involved
on one single issue of scraping of Regional Plan 2011.

There are many other more serious issues facing Goa
and Goans, like shifting of Babolim airport, sale of
our mother land through SEZ, Roman script for our
mother tongue and so on. These so called followers
of GBA should spell out their views on the above
issues and not act as mere agents of Congress / BJP
parties.

*Goa needs to be saved from such agents, which have *
*always been more inimical to Goa and Goans than *
*outside land grabbers.*

We were the followers of GBA as much as any one
else, and therefore we appeal to these agents of BJP
and Congress not to misuse the good name of GBA
to perpetrate the frauds committed on Goans by their
political masters.

*We are sure that GBA has no muster roll of all those *
*who contributed directly or indirectly, in one way or *
*the other to put the regional plan 2011 in cold storage*.

Save Goa! Save Goa! Save Goa! Save Goa from
Congress and BJP agents.

Prince Jacob, Wilmix Mazzarelo, Vasco Da Gama,
John Phillip Pereira, ADV. Y. Gaitonde, Cyril Leitao,
Vishal Naik, and Prof. Neves Rebello, Benny 'Costa
and others.
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[Goanet] 'India has made software mobile' — Mr Francisco D'Souza, COO, Cognizant

2007-05-22 Thread Frederick \"FN\" Noronha
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Dating back to 2004... but interesting. --FN

http://www.blonnet.com/iw/2004/11/21/stories/2004112100861300.htm

 'India has made software mobile' — Mr Francisco D'Souza, COO, Cognizant

Krishnan Thiagarajan
Bharat Kumar

At 36, Mr Francisco D'Souza is among the youngest Chief Operating
Officers in the software services sector. Elevated to COO last year,
this MBA from Carnegie Mellon was part of the team that founded, in
1994, the Nasdaq-listed Cognizant Technology Solutions (in its earlier
avatar as a division of Dun & Bradstreet). Since then, he has been one
of the key members of the management team steering the company's
growth over the past decade. In a freewheeling interview with Business
Line, Mr D'Souza spoke of the key trends shaping the global software
services sector.

Excerpts from the interview:

Is the picture too perfect for the IT services companies? Where does
the confidence stem from? Is emulating the onsite-offshore model that
difficult for the Accentures and IBMs of the world?

The fundamental confidence comes from the fact that offshore has
become mainstream. When we talk to a customer now, compared to
five-ten years ago, the focus is different.

Earlier, our sales and business development activity was more of
evangelising or educating the customer about offshore, proving the
efficacy of the onsite-offshore model and proving our capabilities.
Those days are over.

When we walk into a client situation now, our conversation starts from
a very different point. Today, clients are willing to consider a
bouquet of services around the core competence.

Ten years ago, it would have been impossible to sell infrastructure
services in the onsite-offshore model. It is not to say that clients
are any less discerning but getting the audience and a buy-in is
easier now as offshore is an accepted mainstream concept.

That has made the process of articulating and describing the value
proposition to a client easier. One should not simplify the fact that
we have a strong and compelling value proposition.

The reality is that relative to the global system integrators, Indian
players have a much deeper understanding of doing work in an
onsite-offshore model. In India we tend to underestimate and
oversimplify it.

It is very difficult to build what we have built as an industry. It
took the industry over 10 years of learning to build, mature and
continue to improve upon the model. If you look at what we execute
using the onsite-offshore model today, it is far more mature than 10
years ago, and it has taken us 10 years of collective wisdom to get to
the point we are today. So, we sometimes trivialise the model and it
is not easy for anyone to quickly replicate or emulate it. There are
companies all over the globe in low cost locations but are far away
from the capabilities we have.

In many client situations, we have been on par with the global system
integrators delivering solutions to clients using the onsite-offshore
model.

It is because our model is so finely tuned.

This is not to say that our global competitors will not get there. But
it is not as simple as hiring 40 people to gain the credentials of
having the capability to deliver from offshore.

Some studies indicate that Indian companies are not up in terms of
domain expertise or relationships at the CXO level. As Indian
companies move up the value chain and the multinationals move down the
value chain, are the ground rules changing dramatically in the
industry?

It is difficult to quantify in absolute terms who has made more
progress — moving up the value chain or coming down the value chain.
What I can say is that whichever direction one is moving, there are
inhibitors that prevent or make it difficult to move in that
direction.

In the case of Indian companies it is learning about being global, it
is about the "cultural journey" up the value chain as much as it's
about the capability of moving up the value chain. As you move up, the
degree of sophistication and relationship management needs to migrate
as well.

When you are lower on the value chain, the work you tend to do is
transactional in nature. And so the nature of the relationship with
the client is also transactional. One can report against metrics and
show the client that value is being delivered in an objective way.

As one moves up the value chain, the objective or criteria of success
becomes less quantitative and more qualitative. One delivers "value"
to clients, reflected in more intense and strategic personal
relationships.

Indian companies are getting to build that capability. The system
integrators moving down the value chain have their own set of
inhibitors when they enter offshore locations and low cost centres.

Thei

[Goanet] Aichea Disak Chintop: (Thought for today) By John D' Silva

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Aichea Disak Chintop:  By John D' Silva

http://thisisgoa.com/view/90811e4dfa8d478e4a14


He says, if going to UK or Europe or US, Canada etc was as simple or as cheap 
as buying Rs.200
ticket on Konkan Railways to Bombay then entire India would have move out 
leaving behind about
50,000 Indians (india's population about 1,129,866,154 - 2007 Est.)


Note:
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digital camera which
can now record movie clips with sound.
Taken from JDS Tiatr 'XIDKAUNNI' 

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[Goanet] Gaitonde, 2nd highest... followed by FN Souza

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Raza tops Christies' Indian art auction with $1.4 mn
Indo-Asian News Service

London, May 22 (IANS) Famed artist Syed Haider Raza's 1985 work "La
Terre" trumped the Christie's Modern and Contemporary Indian Art
Auction here, fetching 720,000 pounds ($1.4 million).

This work of art at Lot 7 was estimated at 400,000-600,000 pounds. Out
of the 105 lots offered, 85 sold at the auction Monday evening. In
terms of value, the sale mopped up 4.47 million pounds ($8.8 million).

The catalogue cover Lot 21, Vasudev Gaitonde's untitled work of 1968,
a sage green composition in the abstracted idiom saw a realisation of
490,400 pounds from an estimate of 450,000-550,000 pounds.

Gaitonde's second highest place was followed by Francis Newton Souza
whose Lot 9, "Landscape with Planet" went for 311,200 pounds with its
estimate at 200,000-300,000 pounds.

In a rare twin combine, Lot 29 and Lot 33 achieved the same price -
156,000 pounds. Lot 29 was Jagdish Swaminathan's "Untitled (from the
Bird, Tree and Mountain Series)", created in 1985. It had an estimate
of 130,000-180,000 pounds.

Lot 33 was Tyeb Mehta's 1961 untitled nude that got 156,000 pounds,
much higher than its estimate of 40,000-60,000 pounds. Tyeb's early
works are not as powerful as his later "Kali" or "Mahishasura" series.

M.F. Husain, 92, flew from Dubai to London to watch the sale. Somewhat
satisfied to get a lower place on auction sales, his 1960 work
untitled circa at Lot 25 went for 132,000 pounds from an estimate of
100,000-150,000 pounds.

The first world record at an auction was set for India's Duchamp
Subodh Gupta whose Lot 106, an untitled 2005 work, went for 108,000
pounds from an estimated 40,000-50,000 pounds.

Young contemporary artists Subodh Gupta, Justin Ponmany and Talha
Rathore also achieved record prices in the sale.

Christie's now looks forward to its Asian Contemporary Art sale in
Hong Kong May 27 and the Modern and Contemporary Indian Art sale in
September in New York.

"The Indian market is correcting and consolidating itself," said a
collector and trader in the auction room who felt the auction didn't
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Re: [Goanet] To Selma/ To santosh/ To goanet & other fish caught therein...

2007-05-22 Thread Charudatt Prabhudesai
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TO SELMA-

"Are you trying to tell me that my new friend Charu is a woman?'

Re: it is not the first time on G'net that this has happened. Someone else 
thought that Charudatta was a woman (despite the indication of the masculine 
gender in the second part of my signature "Khoro goenkar". Had I been a 
woman, it should have been "Khori Goikann" ?
Perhaps it is because of the close half-rhyme between the more famous 
Charulata and Charudatta.
(although in original Sanskrit this half rhyme effect is impossible, because 
the feminine words, as a rule, end with an "aa... or an " i "or 
"e..", whereas the masculine usually end with a visargah ":"  and it is 
pronounced more or less like "aha". Here I shall have to share with the 
G'netters the meanings of the two:-

Charulata:
Charu = Beauty
Lata = creeper
Charulata = beautiful creeper

And

Charudatta:
Charu = do
Dutta = adopted/given in adoption etc.
Charudatta = the one who is given in adoption (to the world) by beauty.

So dear G'netters, beware! Don't mess with me too much, for I am not yours 
to be messed with. If you do that, you may incur the wrath of mama Beauty 
and she may never come visiting your consciousness. By the way, is not my 
name beautiful?

__

TO SANTOSH -


"No babes ever frequented the Chachacha bar"...
Cheers,
Santosh

Re: Dear Bab Santosh,

I wonder how someone like you would know that? Given that before you became 
"Chimbelcho", your home used to be in Gurunath building where the Cha cha 
cha tavern was housed,  it is possible to assume the above. But it is 
unlikely that You, You Santosh, were so keenly vigilant in matters related 
to thoroughfares of babes in Cha cha cha! I remember you as a brilliant 
young student who was diligent in his studies and not study of babe - 
traffic !!?! Unless of course, you had a balcony view of everything that 
went on in there in chachacha...
I know that if not babes, at least one babe has gone in chachacha to drink 
gin!!! She was from 'Damao' - Daman. This is un-challengeable information, 
nor can it be proven, (like the creator!) therefore it is NOT A SCIENTIFIC 
FACT!!! But it is true. And so we can say, (hello Orlando and the other pro 
science bores) that facts and truth exists independent of its not being 
available for tests and tubes (of linear, illustrative inquiery)... which 
means that creator can or may exist without lending himself to inquiery by 
scientific methods!
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TO G'NET EDITORS:
How's that both, the Monday post and Today's post carry the same issue 
number? This is what it reads -

Goanet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 396  May 22 33KB,
and
Goanet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 396  May 21 39KB
Note that the sizes and the dates differ but the issue # is the same - 396. 
Is it a mistake? Archivists, please intervene here. The next dispatch has 
398, so I think the one in the middle is #397?

Charudatta Prabhudesai,
Khoro Goinkar!

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[Goanet] BJP looks to Goa to revive sagging fortunes

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BJP looks to Goa to revive sagging fortunes
By Faraz Ahmad, Indo-Asian News Service

New Delhi, May 22 (IANS) Demoralised after the dismal showing in Uttar
Pradesh, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) is hoping to reverse its
fortunes with the Goa elections next month.

The mood should be quite upbeat by the time the party's national
executive meets in Jaipur June 15-17, say BJP leaders optimistically.

Party vice president Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi admitted that the defeat in
Uttar Pradesh was "a subject of major concern" and would come up for
discussion at the meeting of the party's highest decision-making body.

If the party does badly in Goa too in the June 2 elections, the
leadership may have to do a lot of explaining in the national
executive.

Party president Rajnath Singh led a meeting of office bearers Monday
to discuss the future prospects, with elections also due in Gujarat,
Meghalaya and Himachal Pradesh this year.

The BJP feels it should do reasonably well by striking a deal with the
Maharashtrawadi Gomantak Party, thereby saving it a great deal of
embarrassment, conceded a senior party leader.

And to make sure it does well, general secretary Arun Jaitley, who
brought good luck to the party in the Punjab elections, has been
entrusted with organising the strategy.

Campaigning got off to a high start with opposition leader L.K. Advani
addressing the first public meeting at Azad Maidan in Panjim Monday.

Campaign in-charge Rajiv Pratap Rudy has also lined up leaders like M.
Venkaiah Naidu, Sushma Swaraj, Naqvi, Gopinath Munde and Prakash
Javadekar. Besides, television star Smriti Irani and former cricketer
Navjot Singh Sidhu would join the Goa campaign soon.

If all goes well, the party would be in a buoyant mood and face the
other elections - particularly in Gujarat where it hopes to come back
for another five years.

The BJP has reason to despair after the Uttar Pradesh elections, said
a political analyst.

The Samajwadi Party lost 100 seats narrowly and there were also 175
seats where it came second. This means that of the 402 seats that went
to the polls, BJP was not a runner up in some 300 seats.
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Re: [Goanet] Best bet : HERALD, May 20

2007-05-22 Thread Frederick \"FN\" Noronha
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Wonder why nobody seems to be talking of negative vote ... this is
something that could really work. FN
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Re: [Goanet] The expat position

2007-05-22 Thread Frederick \"FN\" Noronha
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On 21/05/07, Jason wrote:

> do change. To be very crude - and not referring to
> you- if i were to make my money at the Microsoft
> Office in Seattle, buckets and buckets of it, I would
> perhaps, also be inclined to argue for the setting up
> of a Goa that corresponds to myth, and is set aside as
> a place for vacation and my spiritual communing with

What if ... you were a youngster in Goa, picked up tonnes of skills
here via the Free Software world ... moved elsewhere to make some
money ... (because of limited local market size) ... and then maybe
came back to help build more skills, to ensure that Goa doesn't have
to grow merely on extractive and destructive industries like mining or
resource-intensive consumption-oriented tourism?

Well, this isn't a dream... half of it is already happening. We need
to take the skill-building process further. FN
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[Goanet] Congress releases its manifesto for Goa polls

2007-05-22 Thread Gabe Menezes
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http://www.dailyindia.com/show/142978.php/Congress-releases-its-manifesto-for-Goa-polls

Congress releases its manifesto for Goa polls
>From our ANI Correspondent

Panaji, May 21: The Congress party released its manifesto for the
forthcoming Assembly polls in Goa here today, promising to give a
responsive and responsible government if elected.




The manifesto appeals to the people of the State to vote for the
Congress candidates on June 2 in order to take forward the
developmental works.

Manifesto committee chairman Uday Bhembre said the people of Goa were
the centre point for the party, and the poll strategy was carved out
accordingly.

It further promises to preserve the culture, monuments, heritage,
ecology and environment of the State.

Union Minister of State (Independent Charge) for Science and
Technology, and Ocean Development Kapil Sibal released the manifesto,
which has been published in English, Konkani and Marathi.

Goa Chief Minister Pratapsingh Rane, All India Congress Committee
(AICC) General Secretary Margaret Alva, Nationalist Congress Party
(NCP) General Secretary Gurunath Kulkarni, Goa Pradesh Congress
Committee President Ravi Naik were present on the occasion among
others.

Polling for the 40-seat State Assembly will be held on June 2.
Counting of votes will take place on June 5, with the results expected
the same day.

The Election Commission has fixed June 8 as the date before which the
election process will be completed.


-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London, England

Comment: Seems to me, a little too late; why does it have to take an
election to make these promises ? These issues should have been taken
care of ? Yes/No ?
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Re: [Goanet] Yes Charu is fine!

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On 21/05/07, Charudatt Prabhudesai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Goanet. I am very new on't, not only Goanet, but this whole  internet thing.
> Obviously you are a veteran on the net. Seem so familiar with things like
> "FN/'s habit of ban'kok oil, etc? He's an oldie, too, isn't he? He seems to
> be...

I was around on Goanet since the time when God the Father was wearing
short-pants. But, of course, those short-pants were stitched by Herman
Carneiro, and there are/were many others who were there a few months
before me (Eddie Fernandes, Marlon, Uly, Samir ... and others whose
name slip me). I barely survive still

> How's that only a certain few take the bait on the Goanet? FN does not seem
> interested in anything b'low his ,I imagine, intellectual standards!? A

They say a good Goanetter knows how to keep silent when he's wrong. He
also knows how to keep silent when he's right... and he surely needs
to know how to keep silent when he encounters a flame-bait!

> "trout" eh? Whereas I am like a "buranto". You can fish me with nothing more
> than a length of ordinary thread. I have myself done that near the old ferry

My only "intellectual standards" are a pure lack of silence. But I do
know how to keep silent when I want to :-)

> Hell no!!! It was actually a novel called Ananda-Math by rishi Bonkim
> Chandra Chattopaddhyay. That is the book from where the poem Vande Mataram
> comes, which became the inspirational mantra of the struggle. ( you see the
> whole Sanskrit approach to language as everything else is not acute and
> utilitarian like the western approach to things. There are "vadas" or "ism"

And I guess it was "integral humanism" with its ideological fathers in
the European version of Aryavarta that needs to be called the
ideological father of Indian nationalism?

This is a rather saffronised understanding of Indian history. Or
should I say Hindustan's history? Anyway, have fun in whatever you
believe.

To cite my favourite, the Wikipedia; Anandamath (The mission house of
Felicity, 1882) is a political novel which depicts a Sannyasi (Brahmin
ascetic) army fighting Indian muslims who are in the employ of the
East India Company. The book calls for the rise of Brahmin/Hindu
nationalism but, ironically, concludes with a character accepting
British Empire as a necessity. The novel was also the source of the
song "Vande Mataram" (I worship the Mother) which, set to music by
Rabindranath Tagore, was taken up by many secular nationalists. The
novel is loosely based on the time of the Sannyasi Rebellion, however
in the actual rebellion, Hindus sannyasis and Muslim fakirs both
rebelled against the British East India Company. The novel first
appeared in serial form in Bangadarshan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bankim_Chandra_Chattopadhyay

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Re: [Goanet] Goa's MLAs dishonest

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On 21/05/07, Philip Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Gabe, please evaluate your observation in terms of the HERALD hypothesis
> regarding dishonesty which you cited in full. I heard from a reputable
> source that one of the gents whose name is mentioned above has amassed Rs
> 4000 (four thousand only) CRORES! This is subject to independent
> confirmation.

RESPONSE: The headline was by the originators ( oHERALDo). The most
glarring of all was the honesty question:-
Honesty
Matanhy Saldhana  29%
Harish Zantye  16%

i.e. the most honest Politician could only garner an unrespectable
margin of 29%, in People's opinion. This is indeed a sad indictment of
the state of affairs in the State; the worst was Harish Zantye 16%.

On the development Front the best effort was by Monserrate, the worst
by Luizinho Faleiro; these figures were compiled by oHERALDo. :-

Development in Const.
Babush Monserrate   55%
Luizinho Faleiro   20%.

I Believe both the gentlemen you refer to are easily worth 4,000 crore
! I also believe that Monserrate was already a wealthy gentleman
before he took up Politics; apparently made his money by owning large
tracts of land.

I don't know how Luizinho Faleiro made his money; the papers have not
been kind to him - suggesting, for instance that Zug Island was bought
for a pittance and then converted for development. If this is anything
to go by then there are serious questions to ask the Congress Party.

The back door entry to become an MLA by Vishwajit Rane, which by all
accounts seems to have been engineered to perfection. Rightly
Monserrate is questioning why his wife wasn't afforded the same back
door treatment !

The sale of Goans by Mauvin Godinho (Backing a migrant at the expense
of Goans).  It is true that Goans will soon become a minority and be
dictated to by outsiders - our Goans in Goa have only themselves to
blame; I suppose they will continue in the same vein and give their
support, to whoever can shaft them right and proper !
They will lay back and enjoy it ?

-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London, England
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Re: [Goanet] "A clarion call to Salcete Voters" by Wilmix Wilson Mazarello

2007-05-22 Thread Gabe Menezes
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On 22/05/07, Wilson Mazarello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> "A clarion call to Salcete Voters"
>
> by Wilmix Wilson Mazarello
>
>
> Each time, the "Goa-State-Assembly-Elections" are held, it is seen, that in
> Government- formation, the scales are turned, this way or that way, by
> mainly, the 'Salcete Taluka ". Or else, how is it, then 
> possible, that in so many constituencies of
> Salcete, the same candidates get elected, continuosly, again and again, for
> the last 20 years? And some, for even 25 years ?.
..
> Yes, it is probably, possibility number "Five" ie. that the people of
> Salcete are too timid and afraid of the "Mafia-Type" politicians of Salcete.
> It is true that the politicians of Salcete are operating on the same lines
> as the "Mafia" does, in other parts of the world.
>
> If one does not vote for the "Dada" of their constituency, and if the "Dada"
> comes to know about it, then, "may-heaven-help-you ". Your life, will be
> "one-big-misery".
>
> The "Dada"s henchmen will be following you where ever you go. You could be
> beaten -up, beyond recognition, or even, handicapped for life. You will
> never get a "Municipal-License" to build, or renovate your house. Your kith
> and kin, will never be able to get a Govt. job. If you go, to the
> Government/ Municipality/Panchayat for any license, rest assured, you will
> never get it.
>
> With such a "fright" being sent down to the "electorate" by these 'Dadas of
> Salcete", who would dare go against them ? Who would dare to "not vote" for
> them and invite their wrath ?


RESPONSE:

Dear Wilmix,

You have been quoted in a Daily Local Newspaper as supporting Save Goa
Front's Churchill  Alemao.

In your post you have not mentioned, who you believe is a 'Mafia Dada'
 Are you fearful that you have used crouching language ? Stand up and
be  counted, now is the time for all good Goans to come to the aid of
Goa !
-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London, England
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[Goanet] "A clarion call to Salcete Voters" by Wilmix Wilson Mazarello

2007-05-22 Thread Wilson Mazarello
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"A clarion call to Salcete Voters"

by Wilmix Wilson Mazarello


Each time, the "Goa-State-Assembly-Elections" are held, it is seen, that in 
Government- formation, the scales are turned, this way or that way, by 
mainly, the 'Salcete Taluka ".

In short, it is the "Salcete Taluka", that is responsible for the 
"development" or "degeneration" of Goa.

Bearing such a big responsibility on its shoulders, one wonders, if the 
people of Salcete, sincerely, do justice to the Goan people. Do they really 
understand the seriousness of the situation ? Do they really search their 
hearts and minds, before they cast their 'vote" in favour, of one or the 
other candidate ?

On the face of it, it does not look so.

Or else, how is it, then possible, that in so many constituencies of 
Salcete, the same candidates get elected, continuosly, again and again, for 
the last 20 years? And some, for even 25 years ?

Even the people of the under-developed countries of Africa, will not 
believe, that such a thing happens in India, even today. That, in a "State" 
like Goa, where literacy of the people is claimed to be so very high, people 
elect the same M.L.A for as long as 25years.

Believe it or not, it happens in Goa.

And the 'Salcete Taluka", is mainly responsible for this "happening".

What does this all mean ?

To me, this could all mean just one possibility or a combination of two or 
more of the following :-

1. That the people of 'Salcete Taluka" are illiterate and do not know what 
is politically good for them.

2. That the people of the "Salcete Taluka" are not bothered as to who, runs 
their Government. Any one is ok for them.

3. That the people of 'Salcete Taluka' are too materialistic and can be 
purchased for a "price".

4. That "self-respect" means nothing to the people of the "Salcete Taluka". 
They are ready to trade their "self-respect" for money, at any given time.

5. That the people of "Salcete Taluka' are too "timid" and afraid of the " 
Mafia-Type" politicians of Salcete.

I myself am, from the "Salcete Taluka" and I know the people of Salcete, too 
well.

None of the five possibilities, enumerated above, are true.

The people of Salcete are highly literate and are fully aware, of what's 
good for them. They are very much bothered about who's running their 
Government and definitely, want to have a "say" in choosing their 
representatives. They are definitely not materialistic and cannot be 
purchased for selfish, material-benefits.

"Self-respect" means a lot to the people of Salcete. They will not 
compromise their "self-respect" for 'anything".

If this, is the ground-level situation in the "Salcete Taluka", then what 
else could be the reason, for the people of Salcete to vote for the same 
politicians over and over again for the last 25 "long" years.

Yes, it is probably, possibility number "Five" ie. that the people of 
Salcete are too timid and afraid of the "Mafia-Type" politicians of Salcete. 
It is true that the politicians of Salcete are operating on the same lines 
as the "Mafia" does, in other parts of the world.

If one does not vote for the "Dada" of their constituency, and if the "Dada" 
comes to know about it, then, "may-heaven-help-you ". Your life, will be 
"one-big-misery".

The "Dada"s henchmen will be following you where ever you go. You could be 
beaten -up, beyond recognition, or even, handicapped for life. You will 
never get a "Municipal-License" to build, or renovate your house. Your kith 
and kin, will never be able to get a Govt. job. If you go, to the 
Government/ Municipality/Panchayat for any license, rest assured, you will 
never get it.

With such a "fright" being sent down to the "electorate" by these 'Dadas of 
Salcete", who would dare go against them ? Who would dare to "not vote" for 
them and invite their wrath ?

If this is the state of affairs in the "Salcete Taluka", then how can one, 
ever expect any change in the politics of Goa?

I wonder,for how long, will my brothers and sisters of the"Salcete Taluka" 
let these, "sorry state of affairs" go on ?

For how long, will we remain a "timid" lot ? For how long will we continue 
to surrender, to these "Mafia" politicians ?

The people of Goa, outside Salcete, continue to laugh at us. They ask, Is 
there no one else, in Salcete, to govern their affairs? Where is the "Youth" 
of Salcete ? Will the Youth of Salcete never be allowed, to grow in politics 
?

Will Salcete always continue to be a monopoly of these, self-appointed 
"Dadas" ?

Another election, for the new "Goa-State-Legislative-Assembly" is due very 
soon.

Will the people of "Salcete Taluka" let down, Goa and Goans once again? Will 
they continue to be "timid" and surrender to the same "Dadas" 

[Goanet] career guidiance .bosco's query.

2007-05-22 Thread Yvonne Vaz Ezdani
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I would like to help you but i need to know more about your interests ,your 
personality,specific subjects studied among other things.

you can contact me by email or call me on (0832)2409519.

Please dont feel shy to disclose your name. I understand your reluctance in 
the matter but we all need guidance at some time or the other.For our own 
good we Goans need to be more open and stop bothering  about what others 
will think of us.

I wish you success in whatever choice you make.

Yvonne

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Re: [Goanet] Yes Charu is fine!

2007-05-22 Thread Charudatt Prabhudesai
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"No posts about centrifugal movements today? You're
losing your shine already. Here I was On Goanet, we get very angry if our
grey cells are not galvanized into action at least once
every 24 hours."
Selma

RE:Yes, Charu is fine! That's what everybody calls me - both, friends and 
foes.
No posts about centrifugal movements from now on. Goanetters don't seem 
ready for "l'avenir"...
Lose my shine? You must be joking Selma! Just wanted to sit and watch for a 
while. It's Good to check the impulse to be drawn into commenting on 
everything. Sometimes Goanet looks fantastic when I sit just looking. 
Besides, I'd like to connect on a wavelength peculiar to Goans and Goa. 
Something uniquely Goan.
Goanet is a good luck find!  I was not sure initially if it would get me by 
the b word, but believe me, I actually look forward to the posts from 
Goanet. I am very new on't, not only Goanet, but this whole  internet thing. 
Obviously you are a veteran on the net. Seem so familiar with things like 
"FN/'s habit of ban'kok oil, etc? He's an oldie, too, isn't he? He seems to 
be...
How's that only a certain few take the bait on the Goanet? FN does not seem 
interested in anything b'low his ,I imagine, intellectual standards!? A 
"trout" eh? Whereas I am like a "buranto". You can fish me with nothing more 
than a length of ordinary thread. I have myself done that near the old ferry 
warf in Panjim, way back in the early 80's or late 70's (Opposite Olympic 
bar!!!):- Around a certain hour of the day, fish - 'Sangtam', 'Shevtallyos' 
and 'burrantes'  usually -
gather in their agitated shoals, very close to the tide in the shallows, to 
eat all kinds of things which float about. And people come (used to go) 
fishing there. One day I found a piece of ordinary thread from a 'pudo' 
someone had chucked by the roadside. I had no bait, too. But I cast that bit 
of thread in the waters and lo! A burranto caught the end in his mouth. I 
jerked the fellow right up, did it again and again and again and yet again, 
almost every time getting a fish by the thread-end. Within half an hour I 
had many, many 'burrantes' to carry home. Unfortunately, it was a Monday or 
a Thursday and we did not cook fish on those days, so my mother yelled at me 
for 'touching' fish on a 'Somar' or 'birestar'... Not surprising that 
expressions 'small fish'/ small fry/Shark are associated with egos and 
personas of people. 'He's a shark', they might say, or 'Oh! he's a small 
fry' and stuff like that. So a 'burranto' is what I thought I took up every 
thread (pun intended) like and commented on it on the Goanet.  And the 
Selmas hooked me off even without a hook!! But then I realised that I did 
not want to be a burranto.
Also my intention is to make this Goanet experience a bit more 'amchem' 
type, you know, because of late I miss Goa. So none of that highbrow 
intellectual bullshit! I will tell stories from the past, hoping that more 
and more "get to like the new penny" to give your expression a quote (coat 
!) of prevalent usage.
Now The grey cell part: have you heard of a term passhyanti - vaak? 
Passyanti - vaak is an old Vedic term for the 'seeing intellect' or, to be 
precise, 'speech that sees' or 'seen thought'. The word kavi meaning poet is 
Sanskrit for a seer. It is the poet who wrote our Itihaas or history. 
Mahabharata and Ramayana are considered our History, although to a mind 
steeped in the linear method of deduction and inference it may sound most 
bizarre. The name Rama, several centuries after it is 'dead and gone' is 
alive enough to motivate a whole nation into the Babri masjid fiasco. Same 
is the case with the great Indian freedom struggle. What really ignited the 
fire of Nationalism? Gandhi? Gapal Krishna Gokhale, Surendranath Bannergy? 
Hell no!!! It was actually a novel called Ananda-Math by rishi Bonkim 
Chandra Chattopaddhyay. That is the book from where the poem Vande Mataram 
comes, which became the inspirational mantra of the struggle. ( you see the 
whole Sanskrit approach to language as everything else is not acute and 
utilitarian like the western approach to things. There are "vadas" or "ism" 
in, for instance, the Jain inquiry into the nature of thought. There are 
things like 'asti asti vada (yes + yes ism), nasti nasti vada( no + no ism), 
asti nasti vada (yes + no ism) and the like. These are hair slitting 
arguments about the many ways in which 'tarka' or logic can be applied. And 
so broadly speaking, there is nothing that is wrong in the Indian thought. 
Even what is called "wrong" in the normal modern sense is there because it 
has a valid, god ordained place to exist on its own. Wrong and right was 
determined by canonized tenets of moral law , but t

[Goanet] CHURCHILL ALEMAO

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propose to do , ensure you do it according to God's plans and not yours.



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[Goanet] Making life difficult.

2007-05-22 Thread Leo Conrad D'Souza
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Hi Cornel,

I perfectly echo your sentiments, as I experienced the same early this month 
in Goa.
I visited the 'The Corporation of the City of Panaji". and personally 
delivered a letter to consider the charges levied on the Apartment we bought 
in Caranzalem, being a Non Resident.

Everytime I telephoned the Officer in charge, he happily requested me to 
come (I was residing in Margao) and meet him in his Office in the Evening. 
This went on till the day of my departure (3 May) from Goa. I had to make 
around three futile trips to Panjim from Margao. This went on till the day 
of my departure, which was then brought to my attention that I had to grease 
his palms to get it done. Every subsequent visit I make to Goa, I have 
observed that the Corruption level is on the rise. Its one of the deadly 
social  diseases which prevents growth of a Society. (local inhabitants). 
Progressive leaders bring progress. Its testing time now, as whom we should 
vote for? However if the voters can be bought for  a few rupees, then 
corruption starts from there and what goes around comes around. Food for 
thought!
Leo Conrad D'Souza.
Goan - Now in Dubai.

Message: 13
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 22:26:46 -0400
From: "CORNEL DACOSTA"

Hi Reboni

To use an overused phrase, I really feel your pain and was embarrassed by
the racy article about apartments for ?10,000. The corruption in Goa is
making life very difficult for those permanently resident in Goa even though
most accept that there can and should be orderly and consensual  development
in Goa. What you describe is truly a tragedy unfolding right in front of our
eyes.

Cornel DaCosta
London, UK.

Reboni Saha  wrote

Objection: Irresponsible article

I refer to 'The exotic beach paradise where apartments cost only
?10,000' may 16th - article under the homes section.
You talk of Goa as an object.
Having been part of a huge movement to stem the mayhem that the
Government sought to bring with its ill conceived and corrupt

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[Goanet] Best bet : HERALD, May 20

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[Self]

I have since converted the raw scores (parametric percentiles) into weighted
average scores (by applying equal 0.2 weights to each of the parameters) to
arrive at rank orders for the top 5 MLAs in the HERALD story (viz the ones
with at least three parametric percentiles in double digits). This is as
follows: 1.Jeetendra Deshprabhu (34.0) 2. Wilfred D'Souza (27.8) 3. Luizinho
Faleiro (26.2) 4. Pratapsingh Rane (16.2) 5. Victoria Fernandes (13.0).

The next lot (the so-called 'bad' in my categorisation) consists of  6.
Manohar Parrikar (24.0) 7.Laxmikant Parsekar (15.6) 8. Atanasio Monserrate
(15.4) 9. Matanhy Saldanha (12.2) and 10. Ravi Naik (9.6)

The rest are the 'ugly'. These are folks whose parametric percentiles were
all under 5.

Note that some in the lower end of the 'good' had weighted average scores
below those on the top of the 'bad'. We consider that a broad gauged score
profile was to be preferred to a spiky one. This also highlights the effect
of weights chosen for the parameters. Should they be equal? Or should some
be 'heavier' than others? This change will make a difference. In any case
our purpose is merely to demonstrate, not to issue a full and final
'certificate'. The numbers given above are subject to verification and
validation by others.

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Re: [Goanet] Creationism versus Evolution

2007-05-22 Thread Mervyn Lobo
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"Frederick \"FN\" Noronha"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's wrong if Orlando believes in what he wants
> to? Why should we try to convince him otherwise? 
> I hope his beliefs make him a better person... 
> that's all that matters. I wouldn't want anyone 
> judging the rightness (or wrongness) of my own 
> beliefs... as long as it doesn't harm them in any 
> way. 


FN,
There are beliefs and then there is knowledge. Here in
Canada there are people who refuse to accept blood
transfusions because of their religious beliefs. I
have no problems with such people who, essentially, 
remove themselves from the gene pool because of their
beliefs. However, the same person becomes a problem to
society when he also insists that his infant child
should not receive a blood transfusion, one that would
save the infants life.

I think you will agree with me that this is an example
of when knowledge has to trump beliefs. 

Mervyn3.0

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ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it
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[Goanet] The expat position

2007-05-22 Thread Cecil Pinto
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Forgive the cross posting but this exchange from Goan Heritage discussion 
group ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is very relevant here too. I think 
Jason has very eloquently and intelligently said to Rajan what 'locals' on 
this forum too have been saying to the expats. Your inputs are welcome, but 
your perspective needs fine tuning.

Cheers!

Cecil

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Rajan,

 > Pardon me, but I am a "local" (or does living abroad
 > for a number of years render me "non-
 > local" and divest me of the abstruse insights
 > vouchsafed only to the genuine local in Frog-in-
 > the-wellsville?) and I allow myself the privilege of
 > laughing at myself, and at the stupidities,
 > aburdities and frailties of my people. I am sorry
 > that you have a problem with that.

I am not for a moment suggesting that we privilege the
perspective of some fictional authentic local.Not for
a moment. However, I am suggesting that there is a
problem with the perspective of those who expats who
go abroad, see a different world and then unthinkingly
expect to see it replicated in Goa regardless of the
local circumstances or cultural requirements. There is
also a certain- I have been out, i know better
attitude, that is frankly disrespectful.

A second problem with the unreflexive expat position
also is that it is buoyed by their location in an
entirely different economy. The priorities therefore
do change. To be very crude - and not referring to
you- if i were to make my money at the Microsoft
Office in Seattle, buckets and buckets of it, I would
perhaps, also be inclined to argue for the setting up
of a Goa that corresponds to myth, and is set aside as
a place for vacation and my spiritual communing with
my past. For the Goan in Goa though, Goa is the only
space s/he has to exploit. She does not have the
luxury of seeing Goa solely as this pleasure-paradise
space, no matter how much she would like to.

as you can see therefore, it is not about some
authentic local position, but about the manner in
which the demands are made and priorities set that I
am urging us to think about.

 > Goans are not sushegad? Gee, which alternative
 > universe are you living in?

Goans are known to be sushegad. Are they in fact? I
have seen Goans slog their ass off, not in the far
Gulf or Paris, but in Goa. I have seen Goans fight for
thier environment, for their lifestyles, for thier
language and other things they hold dear. Under these
circumstances, how can i call them sushegad?

I understand sushegad as being a way of life that we
offer in contrast to the violences and demhumanising
values of capitalist-industrial life. It is a positive
value, for which Goans have fought. It is not some
negative attitude.

Moreover, the Goan is always prevented from being cast
as a hero, or as achieving something noteworthy,
becasue she is Sushegad. She is typecast into a role
out of which there is no escape. This role I would
argue stems more from the colonial politics of
representation than any inherent Goan trait. When we
call Goans sushegad therefore, and use it to deride
them, what we do is to only perpetuate the
disempowerment of the Goan.

Salut.

J

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[Goanet] Goan Overseas Association - NSW Australia and the Goa Heritage Jazz.

2007-05-22 Thread r.barreto
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Goenkars !


GOA NSW - A member of the World Alliance of Goan Associations - 
are celebrating their 30th Anniversary - on the 26th of May , 2007 
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And - a note from one of the members of the ALLIANCE Goan 
Organisations  in Goa - Armando Gonsalves - appended. 

Goans wherever you may - do us a favour , please share this 
post  with Goans who do not have access to the Internet or 
are not a part of  this network. 
 
 
 
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Hello everyone, 


This is to inform you that we have put up for free 
download, very interesting Konkani music that was 
recorded around 50 years ago. The music is from none 
other than Prof Noel Flores, the great Goan pianist 
who has done Goa proud at the Vienna School of Music 
in Austria. 

Check this out on our website www.heritagejazz.com at 
the specific location given below: 

http://www.heritagejazz.com/music.html 

Happy listening. And, it would be great if you can 
communicate with us and let us have your comments. 

Best wishes, 

Viva Konkani! 

Armando Gonsalves 
Gonsalves Mansion, 
Heritage Jazz Street, 
Campal, Panjim, 
Goa 403001 



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[Goanet] New Version: I'M PROUD TO BE GOAN

2007-05-22 Thread Basilio Magno
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Dear compatriots,

World Goa Day is not too far away. Here's the new version of its theme-song 
Proud to be Goan, with the refrain in Konkani as well, as you'll see from 
the lyrics produced below.

World Goa Day celebrations on 20 August.

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I'm Proud to be Goan
  Words and Music by Basilio Magno

 1st Verse

Goa is a dot on the big map of the world,
But it's a Paradise in great India.
We've Hindus, Christians, Muslims, all live in harmony,
And best of all is that they all speak in Konkani.
Our women are pretty and clever all the same,
Goa, we sing in your great name.


  Refrain:
I'm Proud to be Goan, proud to be Goan,
no matter where I was born,
If I was born in Portugal or India,
in England, Canada or in Brazil.
In U.S.A., Australia, New Zealand or East Africa;
In Pakistan or Persian Gulf, in Europe or in Asia,
Wherever it was meant to be: I'm proud to be Goan,
I love my xit koddi and Konkani.  (continue with Konkani Refrain)


  Konkani Refrain:

Anv patradden bhoron Goemkar mhunntam,
porvau nam khoim zolmolam,
Zori Purtugalak vo Indiek zalam,
Inglandak, Canadak vo Brazilak;
Amerikak, Australiak, New Zealandak.
East Afrikak, Pakistanak vo Persian Golf,
vo Europak vo Asiak.
Khoimsorui anv tor zolmolam, Anv Goemkar mhunntam,
xit koddi jeitam, Konknni uloitam.  (repeat Konkani refrain)


  2nd Verse:

Goans win affection in any society,
We create social clubs wherever we be.
World Goa Day has come to stay, let's make it really great.
Let's give back now to Goa, our due on silver plate.
Let's help Goans to get good jobs where it may be,
To live in peace, prosperity.

  (Sing Refrain in English and Konkani)

I'm Proud to be Goan.and  Anv patradden bhoron

  (C) 2000 and 2004 by Basilio Magno,
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[Goanet] A song 'I lost my love to you' from 1963 Film:

2007-05-22 Thread JoeGoaUk
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A song 'I lost my love to you' from 1963 Film: 


I lost my heart to you
I don’t what to do
Please tell me darling
You love me too
I am longing for you.

I lost my heart to you
When will my dreams come true
Come to me darling
I am feeling blue, waiting for you.

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You are my first and last one
Deep in my heart you shine
When do you whisper, a word just one
And say you’ll be mine

Find out from which  film here...
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Re: [Goanet] Creationism versus Evolution

2007-05-22 Thread Sunith D Velho
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Most of the mentioned authors have only the 'logic' of irreducible 
complexity to suport their arguments and are thus rejected by 
mainstream science.

This argument generally finds favour with those who do not understand 
natural selection or who think evolution is pure 'chance'.

It is further boosted because it is a pefect fit with what most people 
are brainwashed with as children i.e. if you can't explain something, 
it must be God's work.

If there truly exists anything irreducibly complex in nature, then what 
about the entity that designed it. Wouldn't the same 'logic' apply to 
that entity?

Or are logic and science to be selectively applied?

Sunith Velho


Orlando writes:
> There are others too like Michael Behe, William A. >Dembski, James M 
> Kushiner, Lee
> Strobel etc. I urge those on this list who are interested in >the debate to
> look these authors up.

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