[Goanet] International Book Fair on Cuisine, Hotel Fidalgo, Panaji, Goa-September 2-5, 2007
International Book Fair on Cuisine in International Cuisine Conference, Hotel Fidalgo An International Book Fair on books written by world renowned Cuisine experts, Nutritionists, researchers and historians will be organised in Hotel Fidalgo from September 2-5, 2007 during the first International Cuisine Conference organised by Indology Goa, an NGO propagating Ancient Indian Tradition and Culture. This book exhibition will be open for general public and an promotional discount of 25 % will be given on all books exhibited. Books written by Chef Extraordinaire, TV show host, author of best selling cookbooks Sanjeev Kapoor, Veteran Food and Nutrition expert Padmashree Ms.Thangam Philip, Queen of Indian Cooking Dr.Tarla Dalal, Dr.Mrunalini Devi, Chancellor, Maharaja Sayyajirao University of Baroda, Prof. P.N.Raman, Director Quilinaire, Ace Academy, Internationally acclaimed Chef Bill Marchetti (Australia), Chef Fernando Da Costa (Nostalgia, Margao), Author and Environmentalist Dr.Nandakumar Kamat Culinary experts Rony and Suzette Martins (Mum's Kitchen, Panaji), Mrs.Carafina Pereira and Bony Pereira (Martins Corner), Cookery expert Roma Thakur, Shobha Tarcar, Dr.Nilesh Korde, Prof.Bhushan Bhave, Maria de Lourdes Bravo da Costa (librarian, Central Library, Goa), Food columnist Tara Narayan & Dinesh Patel, Ms.Niru Gupta (NDTV Cookery expert), Dr.Nutan Pandit, Dr.Pratibha Jain, Jigyasa Giri, Dr. Siddharth Wakankar, Dr. Alka Pandey, Dr. Sumit Paul, Dr. T. V. Sairam, Dr.G.B.Sharma, will be displayed at the exhibition at conference. This book exhibition is a part of the first ever-International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Diet and food habits to be organised in Goa. An invitation conference fee of only Rs.900/- will be applicable for the residents of Goa, which will include conference registration fee, conference literature and material, food and refreshments and Lunch for three days. Those who wish to attend the conference may write to Dr. Anjali Mohan Rao (Cell phone: 9423887283) on [EMAIL PROTECTED] or log on to www.indologygoa.in for online registration and other details of the conference. Cuisine experts, authors and booksellers are also invited to display their books in the exhibition. --- We are not in a position in which we have nothing to work with. We already have capacities, talents, directions, missions, calling. --- Dr.Anjali Mohan Rao, Chairperson Indology Goa Regd.Address: GIRIVAR, Opp.Dhempe College, Miramar Beach, Post-Caranzalem, City-Panaji, Goa 403002 INDIA Phone: 0091-832-2462195 Cellphone: 0091-9422057786 / 0091-9422062910 website: http://www.indologygoa.in
[Goanet] GOA NITE 07
GOA NITE 07 Having been acclaimed as one of the best events of last year, the BUZZ has already begun for the most prestigious event of 2007, the grand GOA NITE 07 brought to you by Goan Overseas Association at the Ramada Kuwait Hotel (Reggai) on Thursday, 6th September 2007 from 9:30pm onwards. This classy event being brought to you by one of the oldest Goan Association in Kuwait will of course feature the 'Mrs GOA Pageant' for the lovely married ladies who otherwise do not get an opportunity to participate in a pageant and once again we have matched up Kuwait's favorite and finest 'live' bands to 'Stepping Stones' and 'Deep Impact' to entertain you and the amiable Lloyd D'Souza will host the occasion. We are also preparing a 'surprise' for you all the way from Goa, which will be announced shortly. Book well in advance to avoid the disappointment many faced last year. Bookings have already begun and guaranteed floor view table reservations for early birds. For reservations please contact: 9519439 or 9816065.
[Goanet] Come, white boy. Here, take my land!
To Goanet - Yesterday I was sitting all my myself, sipping coffee, at a hotel in Bangalore when I had a chance encounter with a visiting American. He said that he had just spent a couple of days in Goa, his first time there. Then he added that while in Goa he had been offered a piece of Goan land, which he declined to buy since he found the whole transaction "very suspicious." I inquired how he could legally make the purchase when he didn't satisfy the residency requirement. He replied that the brokers "fix" that problem by procuring a 1-year residency proof. Since he had a flight to catch I didn't have time to ferret out additional details. None of this is hot news, of course, to those of us in the know. There has been extensive land fraud in Goa right under our noses, with Westerners picking up prime plots. The question is, where are the investigations by the Goan media? It is not only our pols who are rotten. The Goan press, too, stinks to high heavens. The Goan today - i.e. you, the reader - is also a moral cretin. Warm regards, r
[Goanet] Goan Politics and the glaring hypocrisy on all sides
the recent goan political drama still continues.. Parrikar who had categorically denied that he will join hands with babush and dhavlikar has now qualified his statement and is raring to occupy the hot seat again.so mcuh for his loudmouth assertions! To be fair to the man, he has inherited a rotten system and had he not played ball,chances are a chunk of BJP legislators would revolt and go with babush Babush probably is answerable to the land developers and is trying hard to save his own skin With an endless supply of money he is bound to succeed. The NGOs like Lok Shakti have once again proved how hypocritical they are. Werent these the same poeple who conspired with Digambar and brought down the BJP govt? Now the shoe is on the other foot and it pinches..:-) Some frustrated people are unnecesary blaming dhavlikar bandhu...these two fought against both the congress as well as the BJP so if they could go with the congress then whats wrong if they go with BJP? same holds for babush and salgaonkar..atleast churchill was fighting mainly the congress so his actions are atleast ok. Micky and company are silent too..trust the maverick from benaulim to spice up things too if need be..also there is some extra attention on rajesh patnekar..he and ramrao dessai were supposed to be "close" to the ruling dispensation last time. vishwajeet and joaquim might well be moles in the enemy camp for all we knowand change sides at the right time...Rane Sr's proximity to parrikar is well known too The people who are shouting the loudest about this betryal like azgaonkar madkaikar ravi naik and others are proabably the ones who were given this opportunity and refused to do so and now cursing their luck... all in all the titaro continues..i wish the govt would make the proceedings pay per view! -bhandare Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
[Goanet] Ruis questions (Bhandare) Re: Goanet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 626
Dear Rui: well I am glad you were satisfied with all my answers except 2. So you see, if one thinks objectively and has a clear mind free of prejudice one exchange of posts can clear allmost 75% of your misgivings! as regards those two answers which you disagree with lets agree to disagree but i will say this: You said: " No one let alone Gov, political parties or institutions like to self destruct their image in public. I do not know if you would go along with that." My answer is this: I will go along with it if you want me to but you will have to give the same leeway to every other organization. For example if the RSS keeps quiet about Modi or anything else you will have to agree that they dont accept it and its not their policy but they simply dont want to self destruct. Are you willing to do that? Seems fair doenst it? As regards condoning my defintion of condoning something is the following: If you know something is wrong AND you are in a position to stop it AND you dont do anything to stop inspite of being aware of its happening, than that is Condoning Finally as regards books that are being enthusiastically suggested, plese dont waste any money buying them Read them only if you get them for free or from a library Also please check the antecedents of those writing the books Afterall you dont want to learnt about the Christian religion from an atheist right? Forgive me for my errors, after all I learnt in a mango padshalla :-) Bhandare Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz
[Goanet] Worth reading
http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Jul292007/national2007072915847.asp I think it is "governmental stability" that is the crux of the problem in Goa, not political stability per se.
[Goanet] FW: MEMORIAL SERVICE
MEMORIAL SERVICE There will be a memorial service for our friend, the Late Edmund Costabir at Saint Francis Xavier's Church on Saturday the 11th of August at 5.30pm. The memorial service will be followed immediately thereafter by a wake at the Goan Institute Pangani. For details please call Sarah Lobo Tel: 4443352 or 0722 820729 Lina Castelino Tel: 3740415 or 0722 722790 Paloma FernandesTel: 7122394 or 0733 722494 Regards, Dee - Vona
Re: [Goanet] Goa Day Notice
On 28/07/07, Dee-Vona Quadros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > GOA DAY > > Please make a note in your diary for Goa day celebrations. > > Date: Sunday 26th August 2007 > Venue: Goan Gymkhana > Programme: Mass followed by lunch, raffles, cultural entertainment, Tinto > with Goan delicacies > > Look out for more flyers for details > > For & On behalf of GWS > GWS Secretary RESPONSE: Hello ! and where might this be taking place ? How many Rupees does it cost ? Can I buy tickets via PayPal ? -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet] Quo Vadis, Goa? -- HERALD (Goa), July 29
QUO VADIS, GOA? By Valmiki Faleiro The ‘tamasha’ has begun. Tuesday’s failed coup on the month-and-half old government comes only sooner than expected. The encore 36 hours later is on bull’s-eye. Congress has itself to blame. It first creates tigers (foisting the corrupt and allowing them make money and grow invincible), then realizes it can neither tame nor rein them. So it turns into a whorehouse, where any moneyed charlie walks in, does whatever, kicks its butt and walks out -- certain he will be hugged in a touching "home-coming" the next election. Okay for a local ragtag like UGDP, but for a national party to repeatedly playback such history in Goa? This Sunday, I’ll stick to what I penned before July 24... Heard of the great Goan joke? In a land called Goa, a once glorious political party called Congress reigns. From Delhi. Elections are called in 2007 Anno Domini. In the name of Sonia Gandhi, the supremo, the party nominates all its sitting MLAs -- good, bad and indifferent. Mostly bad, corrupt to the bone blokes, who would shame Don Corleone. (The Italian connection is purely coincidental.) In vacant slots where the party can opt for fresh faces from its ranks, option turns auction, and more corrupt are favoured. Another circus is unleashed on the tiny, curious land. Lucky for Sonia, the populace indeed is ‘ajeeb,’ as her grandfather-in-law had discovered: most corrupt are re-elected, only a few are chucked. Rumblings of dissent emerge even before the Raj Bhavan tea party ends, when the new CM takes office. Problem: every Congress MLA wants to be minister and every minister the Chief Minister. A stampede erupts for ministerial chairs. Ex-ministers are re-inducted. A crazier rush for plum portfolios. Most get the same moneymaking machines, or more. Urban development goes to the Midas who smells gold in Goa’s garbage; the Exchequer to a duplicating expert in cricket tickets. A dubious first-timer who rebelled just weeks before, is in; a gutsy four-timer, who’s the only woman in the House, is out. Never mind local minions having to publicly hail Pratibha Patil as "a right step towards women empowerment" and privately rue Victoria Fernandes’ disempowerment. Cubs must be groomed for the morrow. (Sad a full-grown tiger left the den minutes before closing hour.) Portfolios finalized, it’s the turn of the thirsty and hungry, the needy and greedy, left out. There are pacifiers, cash-spinning lollipops ... Parliamentary Secretaries, juicy public corporations. What does the frenzied race signify? A burning desire to serve Goa? High Command’s ability to rein its tigers? Or just a realization of Goa’s funds potential for Delhi’s kitty? Now the joke: Sonia Gandhi, Il Duce, tells the newly selected CM to give Goa a ‘clean’ government. We live in paradoxical times. A vocal, educated section of society wants clean governance. Middle-class political consciousness. The silent majority, though, votes in the government. The majority is not the conscience keeper. When outrageous plans threaten Goa, the minority must march the streets. But politicians would do well to "Listen to the Voice of the People," as in the famous "Amkam apoile ani tapoile" archbishopric Dec-'06 address. Goans are gradually getting politically perceptive. They can no longer be herded into block voting. Vox Populi has begun to count. Politicians would ignore it only at their peril, but they learn slow. Digambar Kamat cannot be envied. He’ll have to turn a Nelson’s eye to ministerial daylight loot, nudge ministers to at least put a façade on the ‘aam aadmi’ pledge, constantly look over his shoulder for plots to unseat him, balance the coalition, and, as if that’s not already a 24-hour job, find the time to govern. How long the knocking kermess will last is a matter of conjecture. The fractured mandate is ready for further splintering in the name of non-issues, save the real one: money. Over the next five years, or less, Goa will suffer the fruit of Congress follies. Quo vadis, Goa? I shall leave you with that poser in this concluding part of a 30-part series on Goa’s politics when a Union Territory, which began precisely on the last day of the last year, interspersed with issues of Election 2007. This column will now take, hopefully, a long break from politics and return to other interesting matters Goan. Like some offbeat characteristics of our ‘Goan Identity.’ In irreverent, even jocular fashion. If we don’t have the ability to laugh at ourselves, we have no business to laugh at others. Let’s perk our collars one Sunday, and laugh at ourselves the next! I crave your indulgence. (ENDS) The Valmiki Faleiro weekly column at: http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=330 == The above article appeared in the July 29,, 2007 edition of the Herald, Goa
Re: [Goanet] Ayurveda and vedic maths
Dear Chinmay, My criticism of Vedic Mathematics is, whatever it is, it has nothing to do with the Vedas, and the sutras and upasutras included in it, appear to have entirely been the concoctions of a 20th century Shankaracharya. His claim that they are contained in an appendix of the Atharva Veda is now recognized as fraudulent, because they are nowhere to be found in any edition of the Atharva Veda. When asked, the Shankacharya appears to have claimed that they were found only in his special personal edition of the Atharva Veda, which nobody has seen. Moreover, the sutras and upasutras are written in a cryptic allegorical form, and therefore can have multiple interpretations, none of which have to have anything to do with mathematics. For example, one sutra is just a phrase containing two words "Ekadhikena Purvena". Literally, it only means one more than the previous one. However, the Shankaracharya interprets this to mean a method of decimal expansion of certain types of fractions, namely 1/19, 1/29, 1/39 and so on. Please read the noted Astrophysicist Jayant Narlikar's book "The Scientific Edge - The Indian Scientist from Vedic to Modern Times", to find out more about this. Regarding Ayurveda and "Vedic" Astrology, I will write separately. I have to go now. Cheers, Santosh --- Bhandare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Santosh: > > Vedic math to the best of my knowledge is a set of > some 16 sutras or formulae which are basically some > qucik ways of solving algebraic problems and maybe a > few related to conics...why are you against teaching > them in school? are you opposed to it being called > vedic or is there some other reason? > of course one must not claim that these sutras > contain > all that is to know about algebra but simply present > them in the right perspective > > as regards ayurveda, proponents argue that the > treatment is usually tailored for the individual not > for the disease..this makes more sense to me because > the human body is indeed too complex to be treated > simply as a sum of parts... > > if you mean to say that ayurveda is not science > because it doesnt confirm to the standards of double > binded placebo controlled trial than you are correct > but is it fair to apply this test to ayurveda > especially when the treatment is not uniform? isnt > that an assumption made in these clinical trials? > > as regards astrology i am as sceptical as you are > but > are you opposed to the idea that we ned to study it > only maybe to conclusively debunk it? wouldnt it be > against the scientific temperament to simply reject > it > outright? > Regards > > Bhandare >
[Goanet] Chili powder - an effective tool!
Chili powder - an effective tool! When we grew up, there was hardly any violence. Its not that we were not mischievous but our mischievousness was of a mild nature. We occasionally fought at play, slapped each other when angry and sometimes even exchanged fisticuffs but that was all; we didnt resort to stabbing or shooting each other. The best thing was that we would be friends the next day. Soon after liberation, when Bombay Goans came down to Goa in great numbers, many youngsters and elderly boys wore Red-Indian-faced steel ring. The nose tip on the ring was so pointed that when someone was hit it would result in a cut. The ring was quite attractive; so, every youngster wanted to wear it, but parents immediately realized its danger and forbade children from wearing it. However, some boys carried it stealthily in their pockets just in case they felt the need for it. For the first time, we also saw a knuckle-duster, which some boys carried in their back-pocket, which again was a very dangerous weapon. Some Bombay boys wore a steel kadda - Sikhs bangle (its now a fashion for men to wear gold kadda instead of a bracelet). Whenever a fight broke out, they removed the bangle from the arm, held it in the hand and used it as a knuckle-duster. Some carried penknives in their pockets for protection. And what did Goan boys carry with them for their protection? They carried in their pockets chili powder wrapped in a piece of paper in the form of a puddi (packet). If attacked or in serious fights, the person swiftly but discreetly removed the packet from his pocket and blew the powder into enemys eyes thus blinding him temporarily and running away or beating him up. This was the most convenient tool which many boys carried with them at the time. Even elderly men carried the powder as a protection. Some carried pepper powder instead. We sometimes used the chili powder to stuff masala (chili powder, tamarind and salt) into raw mangoes, but ensured that the powder was replenished as soon as we reached home. Thats all for now from Doms antique shelf! Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes, author of "Domnic's Goa A nostalgic romp through a bygone era" Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA Tel: (966 3) 877-2744; Home: (966 3) 876-2676; Mobile: (966 5) 0281-9101 _ Amity Quizzes. We nurture talent http://ss1.richmedia.in/recurl.asp?pid=116
[Goanet] GOA DEMOCRATIC ALLIANCE IN NEW DELHI
In an interesting development, at the Rashtrapati Bhavan New Delhi today forenonn when the BJP President Mr Rajnath Singh and others presented the lone women member Ms Victoria Fernandes alongwith others before the Madam President Ms Pratibha Patil, the two vibed easily as several similarities came to the fore. Both the 72 year old Madam President and 72 year old Ms Victoria Fernandes were in active politics in the early sixties during the tenure of Maharashtra Chief Minister late Mr Y B Chavan and Chief Minister late Dayanand Bandodkar of the then Union Territory of Goa Daman & Diu . Madam President too was a Cabinet Minister in the Maharashtra Government and was aware of the plebiscite held in Goa -- Opinion Poll 1967 where Ms Victoria Fernandes staged a valiant struggle alongwith others to retain UT status for Goa Daman & Diu. While Madam President was backed to the hilt for the top post with the view of hoisting the first women President in India 60 years after Independence, the opposite treatment was meted to Ms Fernandes by the INC High Command in Goa. With the audio visual media giving the Goa Democratic Alliance top footage in their news channel to expose the reality of the INC led coalition defeat on Friday, 2007 on the floor of the House the Governor did not hesitate to ask for a test of strenght on the floor of the House on Monday, 30th July 2007. None of the Goa Democratic Alliance members stayed in the Goa Sadan at New Delhi but instead were kept in a secluded resort to avoid poaching by INC. In the meanwhile in Goa the INC MLA's are in furious mood over the Friday developments and there are many who have blamed the Speaker Mr Pratapsing Raoji Rane for failing to act and avert the disaster. There are fears that except the two of Save Goa Front Mr Churchill Alemao of Navelim and Mr Aleixo Lourence of Curtorim and MLA Fatorda Mr Damodar Naik who will control the developmental activities in 30 Village Panchayats and two Municipalities of Cuncolim and Margao will be laughing their way out at this scenario. This evening there were unconfirmed reports that once all efforts at winning some MLAs to save the INC led Government the other Independent Mr Vishwajit Rane may lend support to the Goa Democratic Alliance. Ofcourse Mr Digamber Kamat may also tender his resignation instead of facing defeat on the floor of the Assembly. He is on record saying that it was the "aam aadmi" common man not the CM that will suffer. following his defeat. He repeats ad nauseaum that he was a surprise choice of the High Command and if dictated to resign he will abide by their dictates. On the allotment of portfolios he puts the blame on the High Command and specially Ms Margaret Alva who has muddled up at last minute the list submitted by him. Would he then go down as a martyr who was compelled to make the supreme sacrifice because of the highandedness of the High Command only his voters will tell at the next hustings. Meanwhile in a surprise development the Government issued a public notice cancelling all conversions made on the revised Regional Plan 2011 and vowed to revert to the old Plan 2001 from 10th August, 2006. There is also an apprehension that the first step of the new Government when it takes office is to amend the Official language Act 1987 and hence the " Catholics for Konkani Devanagari " a group propped up by a section of the Saraswat Hindu Brahmins have got some Catholic Bamonn priest viz Fr Mousinho Athaide to come out with statements warning of a backlash if Konkani in Roman script was granted official status. This much of hypocricy of Cristao Brethren who "eat drink and dine ---Romi lipi in their daily life. GODFREY J. I. GONSALVES, BORDA, MARGAO, 403 602, GOA. (INDIA) +91 98221 58584 (24 HRS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5, 50, 500, 5000. Store N number of mails in your inbox. Go to http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html
[Goanet] The Rise in Remittances to India: A Closer Look
India has clearly achieved a large sustained level of remittances. Policy initiatives by the government and banking institutions have achieved two significant results. First, most remittances flow thorough formal channels. Second, an increasing number of remitters have moved from being pure "savers" to "investors." The Indian policy regime has demonstrated its ability to attract NRI capital through NRI deposit accounts and successive bond issues. The challenge is to channel some of these flows for socioeconomic development. [For other articles in Migration Information Source, online journal of Migration Policy Institute, see http://www.migrationinformation.org ] http://www.esocialsciences.com/Articles/displayArticles.asp?Article_ID=1065 -- Frederick Noronha Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] P: +91-832-2409490 M: +91-9970157402 Yahoo: fredericknoronha Skype: fredericknoronha GTalk: fredericknoronha 784, Sonarbhat, Near Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India
[Goanet] Of political prostitutes and their pimps - a response to Jose's response to FN
Frederick wrote: I know of expats who keep groaning about corruption in Goa, only to make one or two speedy visits here, sell their ancestral land (to one of our current crop of realtor-politicians), take the moolah and run. --- Jose Colaco responded I am quite comfortable in declaring that I (MY family or anybody on our behalf) have neither purchased nor sold any real estate in Goa to ANYBODY. Definitely NO realtor-politicians in our life. Cecil responds: It is possible, and there are many families that have never sold land. But never purchased land? Nobody in your family has ever purchased real estate? How do you define your family? You and your siblings? And their progeny? Nobody even purchased an apartment in Goa? How interesting. Maybe none of them live in Goa? Or can you define your family as your parents and their parents? Up to how many generations back? And how pray did your family come in possession of the existing real estate they own if they did not purchase it from someone? Were they gifted it? Why? -- Jose: BUT then - (just imagine) even if someone did sell their ancestral land to some realtor-politician, take the moolah and run HOW does that have any connection with the political prostitution and pimping which is going on at the moment? Cecil: I do not speak for Frederick but I have no problem with someone selling their land (ancestral or otherwise) to realtors or anyone. We cannot be judges of those peoples particular circumstances. The problem I see is with overseas Goans who have conveniently sold their real estate in Goa and now, safely living in their adopted country, make groaning noises about other Goans selling their land. Since I do occasionally provide unofficial real estate brokerage service (helping people find/dispose properties) I come across similar hypocrisies. For example two weeks back a friend told me her parents wanted to sell off their ancestral house in Mapusa but only to Goans and preferably Catholics. The price they were asking was an exorbitant 40 lakh rupees but were willing to negotiate. A week later I called her up and said there was a genuine buyer but he was from Delhi and a Hindu and he probably would even buy it for 55 lakhs. They were at once ever willing to sell to him! Questions of ethnicity and religion goes flying out the window when big money is offered. --- Jose: AND ..instead of making blanket statements about expats ... could you name a single 'groaning about corruption in Goa' expat who has sold ancestral land to realtor-politicians, taken the moolah and run. May be we should ALL know his/her name. If he has 'groaned' on GoaNet and has been dealing with the Rakshashas or even the Rakshanovkas ...we need to know.If he/she groans again - at least I would not read much into his/her groaning Cecil: I know at least three expats active here on GoaNet who have sold property (even ancestral) here in Goa to non-Goan Indians and foreigners, who complain about the influx of outsiders and corruption and what not. I cannot share their names as that would not be fair to them. Each person has his/her reasons for what they do. But as you rightly said, "I would not read much into his/her groaning". Cheers! ==
[Goanet] Selma's slip is showing
Selma wrote: Hi Eddie, I too had my doubts that Alfred Rose sang Kukru Ku Kuru but since Cecil mentioned that it was sung by him, I assumed he was right (since he knows All Things Goan). -- 1) I request Selma to tell us when and where exactly I said Alfred Rose sang that song. In an attempt to camouflage her ignorance she is using lies to shift the attention elsewhere. Ignorance can be ignored, but not blatant lies 2) I have never claimed to "know All Things Goan". This is another invention of Selma's fertile imagination. Of course considering she knows so little about Goa, and things Goan, that assumption too can be ignored. But not lies. If Selma cannot back up her lie, about me saying Alfred Rose sang that song, then I demand an apology. And I also request her to reserve her juvenile outbursts and witticisms for those who appreciate them. I don't. Cheers! Cecil =
Re: [Goanet] Selma's flippant remarks re. late Alfred Rose
B bhai, You missed Selma´s point by many a league... AT From: Bhandare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" To: "goanet@lists.goanet.org" Subject: [Goanet] Selma's flippant remarks re. late Alfred Rose Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Selma's flippant remark about late Alfred Rose on this public forum speaks volumes of her own character and are in extremely bad taste. It shows the callous disregard for propriety on a public forum and a sore lack of basic decency. Has she given a thought that the widow as well as the children of the deceased might well be silent members of Goanet? -bhandare Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet] DEO vo DEV? (Gabe Menezes)Re: Vol 2, Issue 632
I think the sad lot of you, whichever kashti you phoneticate by, have missed: DEU, resorted to by cathecism books I had to do with as a brat. Alfred From: "rui nuvo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] DEO vo DEV? (Gabe Menezes)Re: Vol 2, Issue 632 Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:16:42 +0100 Hei Gabe, I honestly believe goans have a great sense of humour. I used to be a fly on the wall when my father a really poorly educated man would joke with a family friend of ours who was an Oxford graduate. They would joke in Konkani for hours and hours. The humour was Quality. Talk about nuances of the language. I picked it there. I used to listen to English humour too which is top of the class brilliant. Goan humour is a brand type. Even English humour has across the border divide jokes. Surely, you must know that being in London. In fact I think that you are having me on when you quote me for thanking good old Lino for putting me right on DEO vo DEV. Read it again if you must. You cannot be serious are you to believe that I was insulting the man and not joking about the way we speak Konkani North and South of the border. Come on Gabe. I have pasted what I wrote to Lino and what you write to me below. If a straw poll shows that I insulted the man YOU WIN. If the straw poll shows that they see me as thanking the man and joking about our North/South Konkani I WIN. > Hei Lino, > > Thank you for that information. > > The 'avaz' for DEO is not the same as DEV. Sorry, not to me anyway. I > wonder how many would agree with me. I come from Bardez. Our dialect > is perhaps a lot more refined then that lot down south :))). > > If DEV is the written form then I am grateful for the information. > > Thanks again. > > regards You say: What Lino wrote is: that when speaking both Deo and Dev sound fine; it is preferable, when writing to write it as Dev. You thanked Lino, then immediately insulted him, with your twaddle about Bardez Konkani being a lot more refined Please, Please, Please I hope Lino and the rest of the readers took what I wrote about our dialects for humour. I humbly apologise if anyone felt insulted. I trust that Goans will see it as humour as was intended and Gabe who parades about as an 'Alfa Goan London peasant' is a fake :). What a goan with no sense of humour even with coaching in England has to be a fake :). Deo Borem Korum anni tokli usar kor reddo I like to write it the way I hear it. Call me a peasant if you will. OK folks I am leaving. Have fun. And Gabe don't you try and wind me up. I am not falling for it. I may have a dig and a laugh with people, but I never almost never insult them. Can't help my breeding. :))). regards _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet] Ode to a fine Goan tradition - salud!
On 26/07/07, Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Sometimes when I reflect back on all the booze I > drink I feel shame. Then I look into the glass and > think about the workers in the vineyards, farms, > wineries and distilleries and all of their hopes and > dreams .. If I didn't drink this booze, they might be > out of work and their dreams would be shattered. Then > I say to myself, "It is better that I drink this booze > and let their dreams come true than be selfish and > worry about my liver." With apologies to Jack Handy. RESPONSE: Mario, no need to feel shame. You are buying your own booze, so drink up and be happy. There used to be people here in the G.O.A. (U.K.) that used to criticize my drinking; these people never bought a round ! Bottoms up and amen ! Without the drinkers the G.O.A (U.K.) would not have lasted as long as it did with a Club House ! It is a piece of cake to run the Institution now, even I could do it fully tanked up with several Stellas ! Not to be undone, there is a lot of back patting... a job well done... one can but smile. The true grit grafters, were the ones who took posts when we had a Club House; when we did not run down monies set aside for the eventuality of paying off the Debenture holders. I had to take care of the debenture holders and the priceless thanks I got was a kick in the goolies ! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet] Goa news for July 29, 2007
Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Digambar Kamat asked to prove majority in Goa Assembly (The Times of India) PANAJI: Goa Governor S C Jamir has asked Chief Minister Digamber Kamat to hold a floor test on Monday to prove the majority of his government in the Assembly. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa_CM_Kamat_asked_to_prove_majority/articleshow/2241012.cms *** Goa crisis: BJP leaders meet President Patil (NDTV) The Goa government crisis has turned out to be new President Pratibha Patil's first brush with politics after taking over the high office. In New Delhi, BJP leaders met President Patil and paraded 20 MLAs supporting it. http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20070020621 *** Cong meet shuts out Andhra, Goa (The Telegraph) New Delhi, July 28: A late evening meeting of the Congress Working Committee ” the partys highest policy-making body ” was in a congratulatory mood and avoided any discussion on the police firing in Andhra Pradesh and the imminent loss of government in Goa. http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070729/asp/nation/story_8120987.asp *** Goa ˜mummy taps Patil (The Telegraph) New Delhi, July 28: The problem was not Pratibha Patil but the Congress and a "woman leader bent on ruining the party in Goa". http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070729/asp/nation/story_8120585.asp *** Goa MLAs taken to Pratibha (The Hindu) NEW DELHI: Bharatiya Janata Party president Rajnath Singh led 20 MLAs of the recently formed Goa Democratic Alliance to meet President Pratibha Patil here on Saturday to demand that a "floor test" to determine the fate of the Kamat ... http://www.thehindu.com/2007/07/29/stories/2007072960881200.htm *** Goa Governor asks CM to prove majority, BJP calls on President (Outlook India) Goa Governor S C Jamir today asked Chief Minister Digamber Kamat to prove majority in the assembly on Monday even as the opposition BP paraded 20 MLAs before President Pratibha Patil, claiming it had their support to form the next government in the state. http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=491613 *** Congress-led Goa Government had a fragile majority: Pranab (ANI via Yahoo! India News) By Pankaj Chaudhary Thimpu/New Delhi, July 28 (ANI): Commenting on the political situtation in Goa, where Congress-led Government has been reduced to minority and the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has staked claim to form government, External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee today said that in such a "fragile" majority "uncertainty prevails". Mukherjee, who is in Bhutan to ... http://in.news.yahoo.com/070728/139/6iqpy.html *** BJP's Goa leadership submits memorandum to President Patil, demands right to form government (ANI via Yahoo! India News) New Delhi, July 28 (ANI): Bharatiya Janata Party President Rajnath Singh today led leaders of the party's Goa unit to Rashtrapati Bhavan, and submitted a memorandum of protest to President Pratibha Patil over the emerging political developments in the coastal state. Emerging from the meeting, Singh told mediapersons in the forecourt of the presidential complex that the Goa unit of the BJP ... http://in.news.yahoo.com/070728/139/6iqrh.html *** BJP stakes claim to form government in Goa (ANI via Yahoo! India News) BJP stakes claim to form government in Goa http://in.news.yahoo.com/070728/139/6iqul.html *** Let Parrikar prove majority in Goa, BJP tells president (Lead) (Calcutta News) The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) Saturday paraded 20 MLAs before President Pratiba Patil to prove that it had majority in the Goa assembly even as state Governor S.C. Jamir directed Chief Minister Digambar Kamat to go for a vote of confidence on Monday. http://www.calcuttanews.net/story/268859 Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] DEO vo DEV? (Gabe Menezes)Re: Vol 2, Issue 632
Hei Gabe, I honestly believe goans have a great sense of humour. I used to be a fly on the wall when my father a really poorly educated man would joke with a family friend of ours who was an Oxford graduate. They would joke in Konkani for hours and hours. The humour was Quality. Talk about nuances of the language. I picked it there. I used to listen to English humour too which is top of the class brilliant. Goan humour is a brand type. Even English humour has across the border divide jokes. Surely, you must know that being in London. In fact I think that you are having me on when you quote me for thanking good old Lino for putting me right on DEO vo DEV. Read it again if you must. You cannot be serious are you to believe that I was insulting the man and not joking about the way we speak Konkani North and South of the border. Come on Gabe. I have pasted what I wrote to Lino and what you write to me below. If a straw poll shows that I insulted the man YOU WIN. If the straw poll shows that they see me as thanking the man and joking about our North/South Konkani I WIN. > Hei Lino, > > Thank you for that information. > > The 'avaz' for DEO is not the same as DEV. Sorry, not to me anyway. I > wonder how many would agree with me. I come from Bardez. Our dialect > is perhaps a lot more refined then that lot down south :))). > > If DEV is the written form then I am grateful for the information. > > Thanks again. > > regards You say: What Lino wrote is: that when speaking both Deo and Dev sound fine; it is preferable, when writing to write it as Dev. You thanked Lino, then immediately insulted him, with your twaddle about Bardez Konkani being a lot more refined Please, Please, Please I hope Lino and the rest of the readers took what I wrote about our dialects for humour. I humbly apologise if anyone felt insulted. I trust that Goans will see it as humour as was intended and Gabe who parades about as an 'Alfa Goan London peasant' is a fake :). What a goan with no sense of humour even with coaching in England has to be a fake :). Deo Borem Korum anni tokli usar kor reddo I like to write it the way I hear it. Call me a peasant if you will. OK folks I am leaving. Have fun. And Gabe don't you try and wind me up. I am not falling for it. I may have a dig and a laugh with people, but I never almost never insult them. Can't help my breeding. :))). regards
Re: [Goanet] Bhandari's Hindi
Now why did I not think of this?:=)) Are you saying all those highly intellectual ani scientific arguments ani concepts were "not objective"? All the Goanet atheists are researching their theology on this question. This, while I attend the Irish festival and learn to dance the jig, this weekend. Kind Regards, GL Bhandare can one argue that since you are predisposed against organised religion are u automaticaly not objective in your arguments against it?
[Goanet] Selma's flippant remarks re. late Alfred Rose
Selma's flippant remark about late Alfred Rose on this public forum speaks volumes of her own character and are in extremely bad taste. It shows the callous disregard for propriety on a public forum and a sore lack of basic decency. Has she given a thought that the widow as well as the children of the deceased might well be silent members of Goanet? -bhandare Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/
Re: [Goanet] Of political prostitues and their pimps
--- "Frederick [FN] Noronh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We've blamed politicians and lobbies ... > How about discussing about citizens who collude with the system -- by > their silence or tacit encouragement? Citizens bear some responsibility too but the power structure and system is heavily stacked against them so their vote is effectively decided before they enter the voting booth. For example, the candidates and who can afford to run and the parties on the ballot, are selected for them. It is impossible, unless in GBA type movements to make any changes. Even GBA's efforts may be a losing cause, time will tell. > I know of expats who keep groaning about corruption in Goa, only to make one > or two speedy > visits here, sell their ancestral land (to one of our current crop of > realtor-politicians), take the moolah and run. This is true and the hypocrisy is obvious and should be condemned. However, while these transactions cannot be condoned, they do not compare with the wholesale loot happening by the "elected" political whores who will sell their mothers without batting an eyelid. Nothing can be said in their defense, they are fully responsible for their actions. Professional sex-workers by comparison have integrity and honesty in their dealings compared with these bandicoots who rape Goa in broad daylight. Our good and decent ancestors once lived in Goa, perhaps a simple yet noble existence, close to the soil which nurtured and nourished them. Their memory is now being urinated upon by these low-life Goan gutter scum. It might be ok with some, but those with any sense of decency left should not stand by quietly. Sorry if the sexual metaphors above offended anyone. Regards, George > On 27/07/07, Philip Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > periodically. Regards,George > > > > > Hi George -- That was a good one.;) Btw, we know who the "madams" are, who > > the "prostitutes" are and even who the clients are. But who are the "pimps"? > > They need to be outed, right?
Re: [Goanet] God and Goans
My Dear Rico, My definition of roots is links. Does that make it better? You claim you have no definition of the word Goan. Yet you use it all the time - in the list of eminent Goans in cyberspace for example or your criticism of overseas Goans. So, once again, how would you define the term "Goan"? As a journalist do you avoid using words or expressing opinions that may make someone uncomfortable? In your opinion are people line RKN Goans or honorary Goans? Regards Eddie == From: Frederick [FN] Noronha * ??? ...Please define "roots in Goa" ... Once we start playing the game of exclusivism, everyone joins in. The roots-in-Goa issue is also problematic. How far should that go? The moment I accept your challenge to come up with a "definition", I get caught and trapped in your logic.
Re: [Goanet] Understanding Gilbert/Cecil
--- Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Selma replies: > I know a lot of things which no one else knows. I > maybe the only one who knows that Alfred Rose > fathered > a love child, who now wants to digitalise his old > songs. See how easy it is to start a rumour on > Goanet? > :-) > Cecil: By starting > and spreading rumours > about a dead man, even in jest, you do him a grave > injustice. Mischievous > acts like this, in an attempt to sound witty and > have the last word, have > far reaching consequences. --- Come, come now Mr Pinto, you doth protest too much and your "higher moral ground" on this one is really rich, even richer than an black forest cake. My statement, "see how easy it is too start rumours on Goanet", quite obviously qualifies the previous statement as utterly false, and you know that very well. You on the other hand have accused very well known people of thieving from Goanet, of plagiarising books, of not contributing to any Goan cause. In some cases you later said you were pickled at the time but that is not an excuse. I'm happy to see you so indignant about an imagined (even you acknowledge that it was a joke) slight on Alfred Rose's character, and the immense respect you have for his widow and progeny. I only wish such respect had been shown for other fellow Goans which might have led you to examine how they would feel upon reading what you write. Just because you disagree with and/or dislike certain people on this forum, does not give you to right to launch attacks on their private lives (pickled or otherwise) and all the glibness you have with your penmanship won't let you slither out of this one, with or without your pants round your knees. selma Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
[Goanet] Goa Day Notice
GOA DAY Please make a note in your diary for Goa day celebrations. Date: Sunday 26th August 2007 Venue: Goan Gymkhana Programme: Mass followed by lunch, raffles, cultural entertainment, Tinto with Goan delicacies Look out for more flyers for details For & On behalf of GWS GWS Secretary
[Goanet] Virus laden pics from August Pinto
Dear August Pinto, It was for two consecutive times in two weeks that I received virus laden pictures on GOA from your e-mail ID. So I thought you were up to some pranks, and it naturally agitated me a lot. The fact goes back to a few years when I initially started writing on politicians, I used to receive as many as 5 virus laden mails to my ID...who was behind it was anybody's guess. I have been a journalist since 16 and i have the guts to call a spade a spade hence it does not go down very well with many people. I hope you get your passwords and e-mail id sorted and the hecker is kept at bay...but strangely it is surprising how he choose my ID above all... Hope you dwell on this as well... Regards Cedric da Costa Dubai-UAE
[Goanet] Of political prostitues and their pimps
[FN] The good old "Blame" game again! You'll never learn. Anyway who is supposed to expose wrongdoing and monkey business in society? Are they also on the take? Just wondering.
[Goanet] Ayurveda and vedic maths
Dear Santosh: Vedic math to the best of my knowledge is a set of some 16 sutras or formulae which are basically some qucik ways of solving algebraic problems and maybe a few related to conics...why are you against teaching them in school? are you opposed to it being called vedic or is there some other reason? of course one must not claim that these sutras contain all that is to know about algebra but simply present them in the right perspective as regards ayurveda, proponents argue that the treatment is usually tailored for the individual not for the disease..this makes more sense to me because the human body is indeed too complex to be treated simply as a sum of parts... if you mean to say that ayurveda is not science because it doesnt confirm to the standards of double binded placebo controlled trial than you are correct but is it fair to apply this test to ayurveda especially when the treatment is not uniform? isnt that an assumption made in these clinical trials? as regards astrology i am as sceptical as you are but are you opposed to the idea that we ned to study it only maybe to conclusively debunk it? wouldnt it be against the scientific temperament to simply reject it outright? Regards Bhandare Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433
Re: [Goanet] God and Goans
"Eddie Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > My definition of a Goan is one who has roots in Goa. Who have I left out > that you would like to see included? I like this definition and I think it is inclusive. The diaspora, although dispersed, are included, as are those who have recently planted their seeds. As long as one demonstrates an attachment to terra firma. Allwyn.
[Goanet] Ode to a fine Goan tradition - salud!
In the interests of full disclosure, hic..., some of the following have been shamelessly adapted from the writings of others, who have been, hic..., given due recognition below: > - > "Sometimes when I reflect back on all the booze I drink I feel shame. Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the vineyards, farms, wineries and distilleries and all of their hopes and dreams .. If I didn't drink this booze, they might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered. Then I say to myself, "It is better that I drink this booze and let their dreams come true than be selfish and worry about my liver." With apologies to Jack Handy. > ~ ~ ~ ~~~ > "I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." --- Frank Sinatra > > "When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading." --- Henny Youngman > > "24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not." --- Stephen Wright > > "When we drink, we get drunk. When we get drunk, we fall asleep. When we fall asleep, we commit no sin. When we commit no sin, we go to heaven. So, let's all get drunk and go to heaven!" --- Brian O'Rourke > - > "Booze is proof positive that God loves us and wants us to be happy." With apologies to Benjamin Franklin > -- > "Without question, the greatest invention in the history of mankind is beer. Oh, I grant you that the wheel was also a fine invention, but the wheel does not go nearly as well with pizza." --- Dave Barry > -- > And saving the best for last, as explained by Cliff Clavin, of the hit TV series, Cheers. One afternoon at Cheers, Cliff Clavin was explaining the theory of natural selection to his buddy Norm. > "Well ya see, Norm, it's like this... A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of booze eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few glasses of booze." > -- > SALUD! >
[Goanet] God and Goans- good question by Ana -Maria
Ana Maria has a raised a very important question. It would be very instructive to hear the answers from different goanetters I have a slightly different but related question. We see many people ,many of them expats who are pretty well off and other well settled professionals who urge other goans not to sell their land. If I am a Goan, and suppose I own some property in taleigao , what do these people expect me to do? Not sell it to a builder and improve my financial situation and just keep it so the forest and the trees on the plot are preserved for posterity? What moral right do people who themselves stay in RCC structures have to protest against concretization? Afterall there was greenery and forests where these people now live isnt it? Where would the increasing population live? Thats why I believe that a regional pan is the need of the day but it must be free from corruption..let private parties freely develop thier plots ..all these agricultural conversion and all is a trick for politicians to make money -Bhandare Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php
[Goanet] (GDA) Goenche Dongi Anaddi
Xabash Churchill, poilo Luzinho anik Sardinak udoilo anik atam Congressik . Punn toddech diss rav, tumcho "Goenche Dongi Anaddeacho" (GDA) sorkar rokdoch poddtolo re!! Ho sorkar chodd teomp cholchona. Churchill, Babush-ak aink Parikarak borea baxen lenv. Atam te tuka ghodd logtole. Uprant mhunnonaka te koddu mhunn? Frank. - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/attachments/20070728/a8455a3c/attachment.htm
[Goanet] Teambuilding for BNP Paribas
Greetings from Satyakam! A Fun teambuilding program was organised for 96 executives of BNP Paribas on 8th July 2007 at the Intercontinental Resort in Goa. Please check our website www.satyakam.in for photos of the event. Thanking You, Warm Regards, Jude Cardozo, Director, Satyakam, 1st Floor Vidhyanagar, Aquem - Alto, Margao- Goa India-403601 Landline - +91-832-2749749 +91-832-2753736 Mobiles +91-99235 88101 +91-99235 88102 +91-99235 88103 +91-99235 88104 +91-99235 88105 +91-99235 88106 +91-98606 27014 Visit our Website- www.satyakam.in -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/attachments/20070728/e1b69b30/attachment.html
[Goanet] One year old 'Goemkar'
One year old 'Goemkar' Watch him dancing... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR6dZHDO51I or http://thisisgoa.com/view/7884d64f167d8edb1209 [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://thisisgoa.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/
Re: [Goanet] Mashall Mendonza Book References
Subject: [Goanet] Mashall Mendonza Book References Re: Vol 2, Issue 627 Thank you for these three references. I will try and see if I can hold of at least the first one. Given the titles and authors, reading all three would be even better time permitting. A good short introduction is "Khaki Shorts and Saffron Flags" by Tapan Basu, Sumit Sarkar et al. There is "Fascism of the Sangh Parivar" by Ram Puniyani (copies of the latter are available with me, price Rs 100). There are also a number of documentary films which document the activities and ideology of the RSS/Sangh Parivar, including "The Men in the Tree" by Lalit Vachani, and "Final Solution" by Rakesh Sharma. There are also video recordings of lectures by eminent historians on this subject, including Sumit Sarkar. If you or anybody else is interested in copies of these books/films, please write to me off list. 1. ' We or our nationhood defined' by former Chief of the RSS , MS Golwalkar. (Instructive for understanding the view, attitude and ideology of the RSS towards its Muslim and Christian minorities.) 2. The Brotherhood in Saffron: The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and Hindu Revivalism by Walter K. Andersen and Shridhar D. Damle 3. Terrifying Vision: M.S. Golwalker, the RSS And India; Jyotirmaya Sharma, Penguin, Rs. 295, . -- Question everything -- Karl Marx
[Goanet] Turning the page... new books from Goa and more (FN/Gomantak Times)
TurningThePage ::: By Frederick Noronha - [A column about the printed word /// Gomantak Times] In mid-July, one ran into Ingrid Valles Po of Parra. She's part of one of the alumni networks (St Mary's) at Mapusa. Currently, Ingrid is the Assignments Editor at Motivate Publishing in Dubai. Check it out via the web at motivate.ae. Ingrid has an interesting story to narrate about her workplace. This firm, set up in the late 1970s, by a Brit in the Gulf, and has since grown into an ambitious venture employing 250+ persons. She explained about the large number of magazines the firm brought out -- with names like What's On, Hello!, Gulf Business, Middle East MICE & Events, Society Dubai, Emirates Woman, Emibrates Bride, Open and a number of inflight mags for various airlines. Not surprisingly, besides Mangaloreans and South Indians, there are quite a few Goans working in that publishing firm too. Obviously, this is a field where we, in this State, do have a lot of skills. This gives us an opportunity to enter the filed, and to consolidate our potential in it. Book publishing is booming across India. Literacy is growing, so are markets, and English-language skills. But are we in Goa encouraging our youth to get access to the professions of writing, publishing and all the related fields? To be good writers, they need to be eager readers too. Else, as the saying goes, it's just the case of garbage-in, garbage-out. MAGS FOR KIDS Talking about the reading habit, one has long been impressed by the initiatives coming up from other parts of India. Once, while travelling to Chennai, it was a pleasant surprise to notice the number of magazines for children available even on railway stands. Malayala Manorama is impressive with its 48-page all-in-colour mag for primary and nursery kids -- called Magic Pot. There is an addition from the Chandamama group, for younger children, called the Junior Chandamama. Unfortunately, it's available only via subscription but not via the news-agents. Manorama, again, has a new magazine for children called 'Tell Me Why', and each hundred-page issue is priced at just Rs 15. Once again, you need to get it by subscription! Send your DD of Rs 150 (per year) favouring 'Tell Me Why' and payable at Kottayam to The Senior Executive-Subscription, M M Publications, P B No.226, Kottayam-686001 Kerala with your mailing address. BAD NEWS, GOOD NEWS The other day, my four-year-old Aren got his first letter in his life. He was very excited about it. This letter was also addressed to his elder sister, but somehow Aren's name was mentioned on the envelope. It didn't bother him too much that the letter contained bad news. It came from BookWorm in Porvorim, the innovative place that is meant to encourage children to read is closing down. The people running it -- Elaine, Sujata and team -- tried hard to keep it going. On the other hand, all is not lost. Panjim's BookWork continues its activities. And it's a very lively place. If you want to get there, just ask anyone around the Sant Inez Church locality. Or look for the big board outside the flat. For one, I would not hesitate to recommend their Rs 100-per-month fare that gives your child stories, activities, toys and a safe place to keep busy at between 3 to 7 pm on weekdays. Apart from that vital nourishment for the mind, of course. Another bit of good news comes from Saligao. Late ad-man Frank Simoes' widow Gita has taken a lot of trouble to support the work done by Giselle Lobo and team at Saligao. The local Institute at the Arrarim locality of the village has a brand-new reading room for kids, tastefully done up. A good example of what philanthrophy can do when merged with good intentions... and a vision. More villages could learn from such examples, specially the 5 pm 'story hour' for kids held there on Wednesdays, and the daily library activities (again, for children). OF GODS AND MORE I first ran into Umesh Kakkeri because of his interest in Portuguese stamps. This Goa Engineering College-educated civil engineer, born in Bombay and linked to adjoining Karnataka's Belgaum district as his name suggests, has an unusual combination of interests. His recent book is titled simply 'Shree Mangesh'. Hardbound (ISBN 81-7525-683-4) and with an enclosed VCD, is all about one of Goa's most famous temples. Kakkeri's earlier book was 'Postal History of Portuguese India'. Google for it, and you would find some details online. In its 115 pages, his new book touches on the history of the temple, its campus, its daily schedules and religious services. Kakkeri also details the Monday religious day, festivals round the year, deities, temple attendants, the monastry, and managing committee. Some of the provisions on the devastan rules and regulations, passed as they were in colonial times, seem quaint when seen from an early 21st century perspective. His three page glossary, explaining terms from '
[Goanet] MESSAGE from ANTOINIO MASCARENHAS , President of CALANGUTE ASSOCIATION
00 A message from The President of Calangute Association - Antonio Mascarenhas - to GOANS WORLD WIDE on the occasion of WORLD GOA DAY 2007 Antonio Mascarenhas President Calangute Association, Canada 336 Karen Park Crescent Mississauga, Ontario Canada, L5A 3C6 Tel: (905) 270-9773 Toll Free: 1-888-270-9773 (Canada & USA) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MESSAGE === On behalf of the members of the Calangute Association, Canada, I send our best wishes to all the Goans around the world on the 8th Anniversary of the World Goa Day to be held on August 20th, 2007. Let us toast ourselves to our past, present and future and to our unique Goan heritage! We are thankful to God and our ancestors for all they have done for us, and all they have given us. We hope the future will be kind and generous to our children, and that our heritage, and culture will long endure. I would request all the Goan Organizations throughout the World to join and support the World Alliance of Goan Associations. We salute Rene Barretos leadership for bringing Goans around the world together to celebrate Goa Day. We have designated our forthcoming event- the Sixteenth Anniversary and the Annual Social of the Calangute Association, Canada to be held on Saturday September 15 th, 2007, to be part of our Goa Day celebrations and we invite all Goans to attend our 2007 forthcoming event to be held in Mississauga, Canada. Best wishes to all Goans around the World. Antonio Mascarenhas President Calangute Association, Canada July 26,2007 2007 Calangute Social SATURDAY SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2007 The Calangute Association of Canada, would like to extend an invitation to all of you to attend the 16TH ANNIVERSARY and the ANNUAL FEAST OF PATRON ST. ALEX on Saturday, September 15th, 2007 at the St. Johnâs Hall, 2185 Stavebank Road, (Mavis/Queensway) Mississauga, Ontario, Canada 5:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m A SOCIAL TO REMEMBER HOLY MASS AT 5:00 P.M Sharp FOLLOWED BY SOCIAL HORS-DâOEURS - 6:30 p.m. DINNER BUFFET - 7:30 P.M. Roast Hip of Beef with Mushroom Sauce; Goan Roasted Pigling; Italian Home Made Chicken Cacciatora; Goan Pork Vindaloo; Decorated Filled of Salmon; Goan Basmati Rice Pullao; Penne a la Vodka; California Mix Veggies; Wedge Toast Potatoes; Tossed Chefâs Salad; Italian & French Dressing; Horseradish; Goan Pickels; Rolls & Butter; Assorted Pastries; Tea & Coffee CASH BAR DRESS FORMAL WE WELCOME GIFTS AND CASH DONATIONS DANCE TO LIVE BAND âNAKED FLAMESâ? AND D.J. CARLITO Adults $25.00 Children 5 to 12 years $10.00 Children 4 years and under â FREE 2006 PROVED TO BE A GREAT SUCCESS!!! TICKETS WERE SOLD OUT!!! 2007 PROMISES TO BE EVEN BIGGER AND BETTER, SO PURCHASE YOUR TICKETS EARLY TO AVOID DISAPPOINTMENT. FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED BASIS 10 TO A TABLE Make cheque payable to Calangute Association and mail to address below: Antonio Mascarenhas President Calangute Association of Canada 336 Karen Park Crescent, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada L5A 3C6 Telephone: (905) 270 â 9773 Fax: (905) 820 â 1297 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www3.telus.net/calangute WORLD GOA DAY - messages: http://goansofaustralia.blogspot.com/2007/07/antonio-mascarenhas-president-of.html = rene barreto == `Global Goan Children Art Competition 2007 to celebrate World Goa Day commemorated on August 20 worldwide. == Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
[Goanet] Of political prostitutes and their pimps - a response to FN
Frederick [FN] Noronha * ?? wrote: I know of expats who keep groaning about corruption in Goa, only to make one or two speedy visits here, sell their ancestral land (to one of our current crop of realtor-politicians), take the moolah and run. FN Dear Mr. Noronha, That is quite an interesting statement that you make about 'expats who keep groaning about corruption in Goa'. I am one expat who has consistently 'groaned' on this forum (from circa 1996) not only about 1: the corruption in Goa but also 2: the filth that has overtaken Goa 3: the collusion (by silence) by those who claim to practice journalism i.e. the Goa-Journos I am quite comfortable in declaring that I (MY family or anybody on our behalf) have neither purchased nor sold any real estate in Goa to ANYBODY. Definitely NO realtor-politicians in our life. BUT then - (just imagine) even if someone did sell their ancestral land to some realtor-politician, take the moolah and run HOW does that have any connection with the political prostitution and pimping which is going on at the moment? AND ..instead of making blanket statements about expats ... could you name a single 'groaning about corruption in Goa' expat who has sold ancestral land to realtor-politicians, taken the moolah and run. May be we should ALL know his/her name. If he has 'groaned' on GoaNet and has been dealing with the Rakshashas or even the Rakshanovkas ...we need to know. If he/she groans again - at least I would not read much into his/her groaning Sincerely jc ps: I wonder why everybody is so shocked about the political prostitution and pimping in Goan politics. Is this something new or we all have short attention span? BTW: I agree entirely with George Pinto's comment on the matter. 'Only der Madam done change'
[Goanet] Of political prostitues and their pimps
George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote News from the Goa Assembly... The brothel changes its Madam periodically. Regards, George Dear George, It may be more appropriate to say that the Madame or Gharwali routinely has periods. There is one such harmless blood-letting going on right now at a house in Penha da France,Goa. Only once in a while does the pregnancy of the house go through the full gestation of five years. Even without a good 'dotor ' currently in the house, this MTP is taking place in less than two months of conception. Disposal of bio-medical waste is an unresolved issue in Goa. It stinks! The story is like a Whodunnit being investigated by the Scarlet PIMPernel ;-)) Mog asundi. Miguel -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Re: [Goanet] Understanding Gilbert/to Eddi
--- Edward Verdes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Selma, I think Kukru ku kuru was orginally sung by > Tony Carr, and later Hema > Sardesai sang it for Chris Perry's album. I doubt > there is any song by > Alfred Rose by that title. > Hi Eddie, I too had my doubts that Alfred Rose sang Kukru Ku Kuru but since Cecil mentioned that it was sung by him, I assumed he was right (since he knows All Things Goan). I thought it might have been sung by M Boyer, but then I think I was thinking of Bombaicho yetago Leela (sorry about the spellings), another absolutely classic song. selma Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: [Goanet] God and Goans
Hi Eddie, > From: "Eddie Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > My dear Rico, > My definition of a Goan is one who has roots in Goa. Who have All those who "do not have roots in Goa". Like God, R. K. Nair, and a generation of migrants who have grown up here and are considered to be "strange, funny, and too Goan" when they visit relatives back home. Please define "roots in Goa". I suspect it will become just another convenient-enough vague term for us to break many heads over in the future. Just as we do with "Konkani", "Marathi", "regional language", "tenancy" laws, etc Goa has other peculiarities. Not only in-migration, but also out-migration. Borders that have changed over recent centuries. People within the same State who have very different ideas of what it means to be a "Goan". This all simply needs to be taken into account. Once we start playing the game of exclusivism, everyone joins in. Just as was the case with the language politics we all know so well by now. By the way, out of my extended family of eight, exactly two (my Porvorim-born son, and my dad) were Goa-born. Two others were born in Brazil, one in Mozambique, two in Bombay, one in Hubli ... I guess we are adding hugely to the population of "non-Goans" in Goa, as the official statistics which politicians often play on usually go by the place-of-birth figures. The roots-in-Goa issue is also problematic. How far should that go? My place of birth? Three generations ahead of me (if so, is this just to accomodate people-like-us)? And why deprive this (fairly meaningless, in my view) tag to someone who has come here half-a-generation ago, when we want a green card in the US after a five-year stay there? > I left out that you would like to see included? > Once again: What is your definition of a Goan? Are you saying > that a definition is not possible/desirable? > BTW. When was the first recorded usage of the word "Goan"? I would not accept your terms of reference for the debate. In my view, the Goan/"non-Goan" debate is one of the biggest red-herrings currently around in Goa. We saw how serious our upholders of public decency in the state are about land-rackets once the Shave Goa (to use BJP Rudi's words) meet with the Save Goa guys! The moment I accept your challenge to come up with a "definition", I get caught and trapped in your logic. (No offence meant, you are just accepting someone else's logic.) To me, the biggest challenges at this point of time: (i) how to make people in Goa and among her diaspora more competitive, specially in fields where they are lacking (ii) to be able to tap the huge talent base that "non-Goans" bring into Goa with them, both at the lower and upper ends (iii) to build mechanisms that enable migrants into Goa to feel more a part of the place. This, in my view, would include language-learning and cross-cultural pollination, or the tune called multiculturalism that our Aussie friends sang so loudly till John Howart ruined their party. After all, it is needed to be done in a way that makes it possible for everyone to contribute to their full to the culture and society of a region that has long been a fruit-salad anyway (or, to opt for a Saraswat cuisine metaphor, the tasty mix-veggies dish called the khatkhatam). FN -- Frederick Noronha Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] P: +91-832-2409490 M: +91-9970157402 Yahoo: fredericknoronha Skype: fredericknoronha GTalk: fredericknoronha 784, Sonarbhat, Near Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India
Re: [Goanet] Goa's choppy history
On 26/07/07, Goanet News Service <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > GOA'S CHOPPY HISTORY > > Defections and collapse of governments are regular features in Goa politics. > Goa used to have a stable government till 1990. Well, have we forgotten history? Maybe the defections and toppling games weren't so regular then, but: * What about Bahusaheb's MGP men breaking away in the Sixties and the then CM wooing a section of the UGP? * What about the 1980s, when Rane continued in power for a decade, while at the same time being harassed continually by the group of dissidents then (Zantye, Shaikh Hassan, Mauvin, Narvekar?) > For the first time in 1990, > Churchil Alemao (the then deputy speaker) Churchill surely wasn't the deputy speaker then. He was a first-time MLA. > and Louis Proto Barbosa (the then > Speaker) put an end to the Congress CM Pratap Singh Rane's long rule in Goa > in a midnight coup. Luis was his preferred spelling. If my memory serves me right, it wasn't quite a "midnight coup". > The state has seen 14 governments in the last 17 years. > > The BJP's Manohar Parrikar formed BJP government by toppling the Congress > Govt in 2000. He won 2002 Assembly polls. But the Congress toppled his > Government in 2004 by engineering defections. The same Digambar Kamat, who > was number two in the Parrikar govt was the main defector. Wrong again. Parrikar ascended the chief ministership by toppling the man whom he had encouraged to defect, and had temporarily (for around a year) placed in the chief minister's chair -- Francisco Sardinha. Parrikar or the BJP didn't "win" the 2002 Assembly polls. They just emerged as the single largest party. What is the definition of "main defector"? Don't we recall, as Parrikar himself does, the role played by Atanasio "Babush" Monserrate in engineering the start to the toppling of his government? > Parrikar is now trying to hit back at his one time trusted friend turned foe > Digambar Kamat by engineering a midnight coup. All eyes are now on the > Governor S C Jamir, who is a Congress man. And to "hit back" he has to depend on another "one-time trusted friend turned foe" Babush Monserrate. Yes, Governors do play a crucial role in deciding who rules Goa. So did the BJP nominees when their party ruled at New Delhi. > http://www.ibnlive.com/news/goa-govt-on-verge-of-collapse-5-mlas-quit/45634-3.html FN -- Frederick Noronha Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] P: +91-832-2409490 M: +91-9970157402 Yahoo: fredericknoronha Skype: fredericknoronha GTalk: fredericknoronha 784, Sonarbhat, Near Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India
[Goanet] Ruis questions (Bhandare) Re: Goanet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 626
Hei Chinmay Bhandre, Can I thank you for answering the questions I put you in a way that I could understand. If I understood what you said I am sure a lot of other readers would have to. It does not follow that they may not want to take issue with you. As far as I am concerned I hear what you say. In question 4. Do you hold catholic church goers responsible for the paedophilia of the Church clergy? NO. The Church is guilty of condoning it once it happened. Had the church reacted immediately and taken action no one could blame the church. I can see what you are saying and I quibble here. I see condoning=forgive or implying forgiveness as in the def 5 below. But you would go for 2 condoning= silence seemed condoning. The dictionary defines it as follows. 1. to disregard or overlook (something illegal, objectionable, or the like). 2. to give tacit approval to: By his silence, he seemed to condone their behavior. 3. to pardon or forgive (an offense); excuse. 4. to cause the condonation of. 5. Law. to forgive or act so as to imply forgiveness of I gave a plausible reason why the church would have remained silent. I feel that the church remained silent because the church did not want to wash its dirty linen in public. No one let alone Gov, political parties or institutions like to self destruct their image in public. I do not know if you would go along with that. In question 5. Do you see church contributions as contribution to paedophilia in the Church? YES. I can almost anticipate why you say YES. I expect that contributions to a charity front that finds its way to a terrorist organisation is seen as contributing to terrorism. Contributors are held responsible for the final destination of their contributions. I contend that you see the same applies to church contributions. As the church is not a business concern and financies are mainly based on church contributions. Many including myself would disagree with you here. The reason is this. The church has been around too long for people to be hoodwinked by a church which really is a front for social immorality. Church people are unlikely to tolerate this affront in their name. In fact I have more faith in the common man then any religious organisation. Again thanks. I hope it has cleared the air somewhat. The more you can inform people, I believe, they will have less cause to fear you and even have a normal discourse with you. regards
[Goanet] Bhandare's RSS Revenge on Catholics
Hi Goanet Posters, I'm fairly new to this site. I find Bhandares attitude towards the GOAN CATHOLICS disgusting, especially when he says he is not picking on the Catholics - DAHH. This is typical HINDU (educated by the Catholic Priests) RSS ungrateful attitude. 1. He talks about Caste within Goan community. SO! Goans were Hindus?!! 2. He talks about pedophilia among the Catholics, sorry? Goan Catholics or Catholics as a whole. 3. He lives in USA reads news papers, and he thinks he knows it all. Who educated him in his Engish, and other subjects? - Goan Padshalla? Did the Goan Catholic Priests educate him, so that he can become an ungrateful RSS and paint the Goan Priest with the same brush as the IRISH in USA? He is reading in the USA news papers about the pedophilia within the IRISH COMMUNITY IN USA (this Irish community could have been Hindus, pedophilia has no boundaries or distinctions). 1. Were Goan Priests transferred to USA to replace the offending Irish Priests? 2. Did the Goan Catholics pay compensation to the Irish victims? Directly OR Indirectly? - NO! Through the Vatican? - NO. 3. Did the Vatican send Italian Priests to replace or transfer Irish Priests in USA? NO. 4. Did the Vatican pay the victims? NO! (if the Vatican paid the victims there would have been no noise and no Court proceeding's). Vatican was informed, just like I or any one informs my actions to my dad but my dad is not directly responsible for my adult actions, and he does not have to pay any body for my misdeeds. 5. Vatican has not lost any of its Capital nor Goan Catholics. 6. Why is Bhandare harping and asking explaination on Goanet from Goans for the actions of the IRISH PEOPLE IN USA? Be they Christian on HINDU Irish is USA? This is a purely an Irish incident reported by the Irish themselves to their Irish community, which happened to be in the news. NOT FOR ANOTHER HUMAN TO KICK ANOTHER HUMAN OR COMMUNITY WHEN THEY ARE DOWN AND suffering. Who has lost due to the compensation payment? WORLD CATHOLIC CHARITY HAS LOST, INDIAN HINDUS, CHRISTIANS AND THE WORLD POOR HAVE LOST (not the Vatican) - WHY? USA Irish Catholic community is THE Largest Charitable Organisation in the World. So, Who Lost? Even I was a receiver of Irish donations when young through the Catholic Church and Schools - this rubs on the other Hindus as well who were educated in Catholic schools in India. Therefore it is absolutely wrong for any one to kick any human when they are down. BUT THE 'RSS' WILL DO THAT, because their education is a borrowed one, RSS sympathisers are NOT TRUELY educated (their parents sent them to Catholic Schools because they saw that christian boys were doing well by going to Catholics schools and not sitting under a Mango tree Padshalla). Hindus are forbidden according to their religion to travel OVER THE SEAS so also they are forbidden to be educated by a Catholic pig eating person or even sit next to a pig eating boy. But all that is forgotten, as long as their education is later used for RSS linked hatered ideology against the people who educated him. Joe. He is a young Goan now living in the U.S. Chinmay Bhandari is his real name. He has not posted from anyone else's IP address now or in the past using any other name. Good, bad or indifferent, from all indications he is a passionate supporter of the BJP, who sympathizes with the views of the Sangh Parivar. For him the Sangh is what the Catholic Church or some other Catholic organization such as Knights of Columbus is to a devout Catholic. He believes his fierce accusations against Church officials and their supporters are simply a counter-attack in retaliation for the charges made against the Hindu organizations he supports. From what I have read he has criticized the actions of Catholic officials, Catholic religious donors, SFX and Manu, and spoken out against what he regards as the influx of radical Muslims in Goa. To abuse him personally in response to any innocuous post of his just because of the views he holds rather than directly in response to an initial bout of invective from him, as some have tried to do, is counterproductive.
